completely side topic and not to distract from the video in anyway... however anyone else notice the light tower on the control vanishing every time it blinked green :)
@powermoveengineering
Жыл бұрын
I see that now. It does look interesting. I believe it appears that way because of a spot light next to the camera which makes the sheet metal brightest right in that spot.
@texastad1989
Жыл бұрын
@@powermoveengineering I was thinking maybe a green screen filter was on in post processing ?
@powermoveengineering
Жыл бұрын
@@texastad1989 No, we’re not that fancy. Maybe one day!
@texastad1989
Жыл бұрын
@@powermoveengineering hahah all good, take care.
@Balczak
2 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to see more around the shop! 🤙🏼
@powermoveengineering
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Plenty more to come
@jmeleika1
2 жыл бұрын
This guy: check out my new $200k machine that I'm so excited about!!! Machinists who make $20/hr: hAas iS cRAp tHaT THiNg sUks
@visionforge1254
2 жыл бұрын
Just look at the machine specs and the spindle load ratings compared to production equipment and you will see why.
@Szcza04
Жыл бұрын
@@visionforge1254 if you’re starting your own shop this is still a very valuable machine tool
@run-cnc
8 ай бұрын
if you're a machinist only making $20 you need to look for a better employer. im making nearly 3x that.
@geminifingerboards1
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff guys! Have had a lot of work on the VF2 and 3 and love working with Haas’s. Cool idea with using fixturing on the top of the Trunion, have been working on a 4 axis robodrill and could definitely see that being implemented to combine operations. Look forward to seeing what y’all put out in the future.👍🏻
@powermoveengineering
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jake. We like our Haas machines as well. It's all about understanding the specific tools and getting the most out of them no matter the brand. That robodrill must be nice and fast though. We're working more on making more content. If there is anything specific you would want to see, let us know! Thanks again
@spazzywhitebelt
2 жыл бұрын
As far as the Z axis travel limits the machine does travel above Z 0, we have a umc750 and trick the machine to pop above G53 Z0 by doing an operation on the X minus side at the beginning and end of that tool usage. But annoying but when you need that extra travel it works
@powermoveengineering
2 жыл бұрын
David, thanks for your reply. We noticed this as well. We found that the Z travel can continue roughly .9” above the tool change position. This comes in handy with some tool holders but we have yet to find a good way to post process this when needed and end up using posted manual entries. If we use the shortest tool holders we’ve found (Shars 1.1” er32) then it tends to work out okay without adding any Z. Thankfully we only use these added two air vises for dovetailing and finishing so we don’t need long tools in those ops. Do you use the side of the umc750 trunnion? Thanks again
@spazzywhitebelt
2 жыл бұрын
@@powermoveengineering good way to do it? Nope, I typically end up doing a drilling op at the start and finish of the tool, cutting air on the X- side of the part (between part and tool changer) would be better to find way to do it thru post but fortunately the times we've needed to do it the drilling trick has worked. Believe it or not no, we did just order a 5th axis base plate so we can pop visess on and off of the side (idk if it's still going but they had a 61% off flash sale on their 3 axis style bases). Typically we run dovetailing and second op in our 3 axis. Enjoy the machine, we've liked the 750.
@gerrit2107
2 жыл бұрын
@@powermoveengineering I am going to be running a UMC 750 ss soon and those have about 85mm (~3.5”) of z travel above the tool change position. For cam I’m using fusion 360 and I’ve found that of you change the home position for the z axis in the fusion machine configuration to +85mm (or just 85) it will post the z axis retracts between operations with indexes as g53 z85
@weldmachine
Жыл бұрын
( an open comment Not directed at this HAAS Machine ) Would I buy a HAAS ?? Generally, NO I wouldn't. But, I am also based Outside of the US ?? Meaning ?? I am not controlled by country of origin ?? IF I lived in the US, I would seriously think about supporting my Local Manufacturing sector. But ?? It would depend on what I was planning to Manufacture with my Machine of choice ?? IF, I was producing High End Aerospace parts with super tight tolerances I might start thinking of other brands besides HAAS. Definitely nothing wrong with the HAAS brand ?? But ?? You do Need to understand the Limitations of your equipment ?? It's very simple maths. Pay More, Get More. This video is a great example of Understanding your Machines Limitations. NO, tight tolerance Aerospace parts anywhere in this shop ?? Maybe one day that could change ?? Price quoted in the comments for this machine $190k Not small money for most people. Go down to your local Mazak Dealer and get a price for an equivalent 5 Axis Mill ??? Back to the HAAS dealer to see IF it will fit in your shop, LOL. Unless you're planning to make at least the price of the Machine in the first 2 to 3 years of purchasing. I would Not be considering buying any Machine. I have always been a die hard Mazak Fan. Would I buy one ? Definitely. Could I justify buying one ???? Most lightly NO. Just being Realistic, same as Bryan from this video. Thanks for posting the video Bryan. It was Good to watch 👍
@jandrade52
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Great stuff!
@powermoveengineering
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jose! Really appreciate the support
@dirtboy896
2 жыл бұрын
You earned a sub
@powermoveengineering
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@danielvarela7986
Жыл бұрын
Stoked for you Bryan.
@powermoveengineering
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Daniel!
@mannycalavera121
2 жыл бұрын
To clarify, we have multiple HAAS 3 axis machines making tight tolerance parts with great success, that said, My employer recent purchased a UMC500 and UMC750, huge regret and can't wait to offload them. I would say anyone who is thinking of purchasing a UMC500/750, please do a lot of research and speak to current owners who make decent tolerance parts, because they are absolute lemons.
@orangedream267
2 жыл бұрын
Nah, they're not lemons. You just gotta know what you're getting. They're not as rigid as other stuff on the market, I suspect there's some issues with b and c axis alignments, especially after crashes, and a rather small work envelope.
@powermoveengineering
2 жыл бұрын
It’s tough to know what is meant by “decent tolerance” but we have not noticed anything that cannot be easily compensated for. Granted we’re making low tolerance golf putter heads on it most of the time. But we think it’s been as dimensionally consistent as our 2019 vf2 that has been a workhorse. Anyone looking into buying a machine needs to do research into many things including in-house inspection equipment to match demand. We plan on making some videos about that stuff too, so subscribe! Thanks for the comments
@mannycalavera121
2 жыл бұрын
@@powermoveengineering "compensated for" is the issue, If the machines were decent you wouldn't have have to. When I refer to decent tolerance I'm talking 0-0.02mm, for these machines 0.1mm is a stretch. most other 5 axis machines 0.02mm is a walk.
@powermoveengineering
2 жыл бұрын
@@mannycalavera121 IMO compensating cutter diameters and Z work offset up to .05mm during a first part inspection is standard procedure on just about any setup in any machine depending on fixturing. As long as it remains consistently +/-.02mm from there then we are good with that. That is what we have seen.
@mannycalavera121
2 жыл бұрын
@@powermoveengineering I agree 100%, every part should be dialed in, not quit as bad a 0.05mm but a little is expected. But what you will find with this machine is its not just a simple D and Z offset to dial in, but the positional accuracy will walk around horrendously. For eg, on a semi production run of parts i was engraving at B-90, I would need to check every part continusly because as the day progresses, the engraving would get deeper and deeper.. like, 0.2mm movement.. as soon as the TCPC is active these things walk around all over the place, you can dial them in then hours later they've moved agian and all out of whack. Here's a test, put a dial on your C axis table and rotate 360 with the hand wheel, take a look at the table runout.. then put it on the top of the table and do the same.. Also notice the C axis movement as the brake is disengaged.. that's going to translate if you attempt 5 axis movement's vs positional. You ca hide it, just means you need to design and sequence operations to blend the mismatches. Nothing personal, I'm sure everything you make is mint, we make parts for your typical defence names on these machines so they can be capable, but my God is it painful lol.
@aleksandarstojanovic9637
2 жыл бұрын
Please do a video of the shrink fit toolsetter
@powermoveengineering
2 жыл бұрын
We will! Stay tuned! Thanks for the comment and the good idea.
@SlowReactionDriversAreTheWorst
2 жыл бұрын
So your having chip build up in all the usual places. I wonder what is your idea with the valve with bunch of tubes attach to it, and will it work?
@powermoveengineering
2 жыл бұрын
We are working on a product which essentially has a rotating valve with 1 inlet and 12 outlets. Only 1 of the 12 outlets has coolant passing through to maintain high pressure. The 12 outlets would route through hoses to all the places in the machine where chips collect. We are working on a video about this design so stay tuned!
@SlowReactionDriversAreTheWorst
2 жыл бұрын
@@powermoveengineering i can't wait, I'm eager to see your invention.
@ayatotakema1194
Жыл бұрын
DIY through spindle MQL?
@AlitaGunm99
2 жыл бұрын
How's the Z axis repeatability over the day? Thermal growth?
@curtislavoie2242
2 жыл бұрын
It’s not bad. With in a thou .001 inches. This was running the spindle at 14k for an extended period.
@powermoveengineering
2 жыл бұрын
We have not seen any measurable thermal growth with this machine but we also have not done much testing of this. But maybe we should! Possible video right there. Thanks for the comment.
@curtislavoie2242
2 жыл бұрын
@@powermoveengineering I’d be curious to see if you have similar results to mine. I was able to notice it most easily when measuring the thickness of parts where the opposite sides were cut by means of flipping them 180 with the C axis. The effects of thermal growth are doubled in this scenario. I hope my explanation makes sense.
@DynamicMASTERS_Engineering
2 жыл бұрын
How much the price roughly with these performances ?
@powermoveengineering
2 жыл бұрын
$189,300 in Nov 2021
@DynamicMASTERS_Engineering
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your response, wish you all the best of making chips with this monster 🙏
@gurpreetsinghsodi3862
2 жыл бұрын
How to get job here?
@powermoveengineering
2 жыл бұрын
Come to Mesa, Az. and introduce yourself!
@steinarne79
2 жыл бұрын
I've just discovered your channel and subscribed to it, since you seems to have good 5 axis mill to show. You give us the viewers a very limited visual approach to your given challenge, so i need to take your vocal words for gospel... I already at 1 minute mark, start to think... you say partS pr machine cycle...all i can see is just one part or cycle... Just a theoretical WILD idea... bear with me here.... You say complete part per cycle... The machine looks sturdy, forgive me if not... Why not make a tombstone from the table, that makes you with in say... 2... or even 3 cycles PER PART... make 3...4...5? parts perfected pr door open? You say in the beginning less custom fixtures... Are you low volume high mix? I'm trying to be constructive but some words has to be left out in the video to make sense here... yeah, english is not my primary language, sorry for that.
@jeremiahreschke8091
Жыл бұрын
HAAS chip evacuation sucks.
@chrisyboy666
2 жыл бұрын
Can’t take any shop seriously that uses Haas machine tools absolute garbage they are cheap shite why would you purchase one of these horrendous
@eddie5556
2 жыл бұрын
Funny you say that, there are a few thousand shops that would disagree with you.
@powermoveengineering
2 жыл бұрын
There’s plenty of small businesses crushing it with haas gear. It’s all about understanding what the tool is and making it work. Thankfully we don’t need to seek your approval. Have a good one Carlos!
@@chrisyboy666 It's like buying a Ford Focus my dude. Not everything has to be a Toyota, or a Ferrari. My current job has ZERO need for Okuma mills. I would LOVE to see them in the shop but it would be overkill for what we do (3/8 sheet fixture work, and some vise work held square and rectangle tubing, mostly all 1018). Lathes are a tiny bit different, I'd like to see a good lathe so we can hold tolerances on one or two parts that are a bit of a pain (trying to hold .0005 with minimum runout/ out of round of .0003 makes me scream). Genos 300, or 350 would probably be perfect, but I'd settle for an old crown/ cadet.
@chrisyboy666
2 жыл бұрын
@@powermoveengineering cheap fragile shite cheap 2nd rate company that’s exactly the image you put across but that’s ok 👍
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