No comparison between Ruby Rose and those other guys. You each bring something different and I have a tenancy to watch your posts as soon as possible. Keep them coming!
@ivantodorov9136
5 жыл бұрын
The most sane reviewers (is that even a word ?!?! if not sorry for my english ) on youtube ! Another great video , especialy for someone like me who've been only once on a sailboat , but totaly in love with the sea ! Asking the right questions , and giving simple and straight answers ! Keep up the good job ! Cheers and greetings from Bulgaria !
@ylemoine1
5 жыл бұрын
As a world cruiser, helm and engine access issues are a deal breaker, unless you’re planning on mostly coastal cruising. Love that it performs and the finish is beautiful, but safety is much more than just where the life raft is situated, especially on an ocean crossing.
@DNN88
3 жыл бұрын
As a world cruiser, 90% of the time autopilot does it for you 😉
@cconwayp
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for review. (Biased) future O51 owner here who generally agrees with most of the observations including some of the negatives. A few comments: Performance: most focus seems to be on high end performance but the real value (imo) of an efficient boat is the ability to sail well in light winds and to have the option of sailing conservatively while still moving at respectable speeds in moderate winds. Being able to put in 2 reefs in 15-20 knots and sail at 7-8 knots is fantastic. Cockpit: personally, I prefer the safety of the enclosed cockpit recognizing it's a climb to get to the swim steps. This opinion was reinforced when we were pooped on a 5X in big following seas a couple of years ago (that problem could probably be solved with a washboard). Very small chance of something or someone going overboard unless they're outside the cockpit. Helm: it's possible to add a small dodger to protect the helm seat - some O51 owners have done this - but requires the mainsail be cut a little higher and the boom raised. We've chosen not to (for now) as we spend relatively little time at the helm and feel we'll be able to cope ok in an unusual situation. Agree or not, the Outremer view is that most of what you're concerned about can be resolved with clothing. I used to believe helm protection was essential but it just doesn't bother me in practice as much as I thought it would. Btw, the bucket seats are great places to sit when on watch even when not using the tillers (which aren't used often as far as I can tell). Space: definitely less interior space than on a similar length Leopard/Lagoon etc. so if that's highest priority then choose on that basis. We feel the O51 has more than enough space for our needs and we wouldn't trade away the sailing qualities for more interior volume.
@bernardlang
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the inputs, very interesting. I had assumed it would be possible to add a dodger on the top of the helming positions good to know it's indeed the case.
@Ladybirdsin16mm
5 жыл бұрын
Thought ive seen a little Outremer dodger on the 45
@marklong8608
5 жыл бұрын
Agree, in the long run, performance is about sailing more and motoring less and lighter stuff. I've talked to several circumnavigators, one said average wind speed was 14 knots, another said they motored or motor-sailed way more than expected. A performance sailboat allows you to sail more in the light stuff.
@danieltoone5979
5 жыл бұрын
It's obviously an amazing boat, but I can't help but feel it has been outclassed by the Seawind 1600. It just seems like a more thoughtful design throughout...from the interior to the cockpit to the deck to the sugar scoops. And it flies just as fast, with maybe a better bias toward a broad reach which is more relevant to trade wind cruising than the beam reach bias that the outremer has.
@Ladybirdsin16mm
5 жыл бұрын
Dont go on polars to see how it performs on the sea. I dont think they take sea state into account, as best I know - others wise there'd be all kinds of polars. See my reply to Robert Weiss also
@robertsimon5059
5 жыл бұрын
You should check but if I remember correctly, you can also access the engine from inside through a hatch under the bed from back cabin. Also, 10,9 t. for a 51 is quite lightweight which is synonymous additional security for a catamaran. Distribution of weights and masses is particularly well studied on this ship. Lagoon or Leopard 50 are 20 tons ships.
@jay_leng
4 жыл бұрын
You are arguably the best looking couple on youtube talking about sailboats. Thank you!
@johnwaugh6518
5 жыл бұрын
Another excellent review. Thank you. It seems that it's down to the Seawind 1600 and the Outremer 51. The former has some advantages, the latter is better looking inside and out. The helm position is a problem that can be resolved relatively easily with a dodger. With regard to the space versus performance debate, a boat that makes fast passages is safer, the crew arrives fresher and will be less intimidated about doing it all over again. Thus, what it may lack in volume as a cruising boat it makes up for in easier quicker passages. L.Francis Herreshoff was not wrong when he said that the pleasure of sailing is directly proportional to the speed at which it is done. There are other aspects than speed but for most sailors, a boat that will sail well is a joy.
@rustie4242
5 жыл бұрын
The Outremer is a true blue water sailing cat and to be that, it needs the hull shape and dagger boards. Comparing it to fat cats..... well they are designed for chartering.. When you sail at twenty knots you need to have someone at the helm station ready to ease sheets or take the wheel at any time.. Of course you can reef it down to keep your speed to 10 to 12 knots, then you can sit inside with the autopilot on... The only bad thing in the design is the engine position and access. I would prefer them under the double bunks so they would be accessible in storm conditions. I think you would buy this boat with your head because it is the safest and best designed for blue water cruising, and it can sail to windward at 10 knots. This is important if you get caught on a lee shore. Cheers Rustie. PS If you've ever tried building a cat you'll know that the price is great value for money..
@VERTICALWisdom
5 жыл бұрын
My cruising experience on Cats, when the weather is crap / and often when it's not, the auto-pilot is driving the boat - You hand steer "rarely" on passage. I hand steer much more than most as I like to sail and the Outremer tiller is awesome! Outremer is a high-quality boat, ask an owner and you will find the support is equally as good. Don't apologize about your bias - You two know boats AND sailing, your bias is from the boat being superior in many ways to competitors.
@xoox870
3 жыл бұрын
The engine compartment location in rough seas looks very scary as well as the helm seat without any support or covering. Also I agree about the stove location and many of the points are very much in agreement of what you said and all should be reconsidered from Outremer ! They need to use the 55 flexible helm control on future models.
@actiaint
5 жыл бұрын
Nice - looking forward to that Seawind 1260 review!
@roscoejones4515
5 жыл бұрын
Now I know how to pronounce 'Outremer'! Thanks Nick!
@ZoneTelevision
5 жыл бұрын
Let’s face it Riley And Elayna put Outremer on the map and quite literally made it a household name. Outremer makes a great boat. Personally I like the older models particularly the 53/55 light.
@vanjo7190
4 жыл бұрын
So true! Now, with Lenny... lol
@ayungfab3834
4 жыл бұрын
And honestly I feel like most people would much rather share a beer/wine/meal with them, then some overly smug londoners. Lmfao. :P
@Thehipsterplantman
4 жыл бұрын
@@ayungfab3834 but would they want you any where near their boat .... very doubtful
@charlescurtius2261
5 жыл бұрын
beautifully made. i think this is one of those boats that "just depends" do you want a 2 seat sports car or full size comfort. my attitude is im going to spend a lot more time sitting somewhere than getting there, so giving up a few knots doesn't much bother me. im not a big person but when we toured an outremer i could hardly turn around in the hulls and forget trying to get past someone
@glenn2745
2 жыл бұрын
Best discussion of the pros and cons of the Outremer cockpit. I came away appreciating the setup a bit more actually, while being initially much more critical.
@roadie3124
5 жыл бұрын
Probably the best review I've seen. So different from the "reviews" that are really marketing presentations. It was refreshing that you talked about the performance/luxury/price trichotomy. If you want speed and space, then a Gunboat might fit the bill at around $5 to $6 million second hand. I beg to differ about catamarans sailing by the numbers because they don't heel, etc. It depends on the style of catamaran and the sailor. If you're sailing a responsive catamaran, e.g. like using the tiller on an Outremer, you should be able to feel the slightest wind change by the tickle on the back of your ears and the ruffle in the hairs on the back of your neck.
@blueclue57
5 жыл бұрын
Wonderful review. Love the conversational format and the interaction of the two of you. Anxiously waiting for a review of the Discovery Cat.
@Tom-qq5bk
5 жыл бұрын
Regarding the incident in Australia, I read somewhere that the accident was a result of their being hit from the aft by a floating shipping container in very cold and challenging sea conditions. Since so many people who will be seeing this have no experience with catamarans I think it's worth restating just how unusual that sort of occurrence is, and just how many things have to go wrong all at once in order to overturn a modern cruising catamaran. As always, awesome review.
@FreeBD3000
5 жыл бұрын
Guys I love your work !! It is so complete from a to z ! Thanks for putting all this info together !!!
@wittko
5 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to your videos next spring from aboard your new Seawind 1260 :)
@MrHAPPYHAWAIIAN
4 жыл бұрын
I have enjoyed your Channel and have subscribed . I have lived on Kauai, HI. For past 18 years. Sometimes I have thoughts of buying boat and sailing to South Pacific. The only impediment is my severe seasickness , no mechanical skills and a total lack of seamanship.😂 To compensate I watch your videos. I love the boats but stayed for your great showmanship. Both of you have a great repose.👍😀😷❤️🌴
@sailingrubyrose
4 жыл бұрын
Ah thanks is so much mate. Welcome To our channel
@rocksnowandwater
2 жыл бұрын
Extremely helpful video for us newbies!
@My_You_Tube
4 жыл бұрын
Outremer 51 and Seawind 1600. I've been on Seawind 1600 at Miami 2020 Boat show. I think there is no comparison really. Worked on Cat's in AUS in late '90's. And yes things have changed. But I assure YOU during & after major storm I DO NOT WANT TO GET WET WHILE AT THE HELM STATION. It rained y'day at the boat show . So we got to see first hand how you are protected on Seawind 1600. We loved it ! Seawind 1600 is designed by Reichel Pugh and built by Seawind catamarans and as well by their current owners. Seawind even had enough balls to put that in their new brochure. "Our owners are our harshest critics". Outremer 51 should be charged with offense of just 'pretending' to be in the same category. Not a prayer Outremer 51...you wish that you are Seawind 1600. Speaking to Seawind Owners and their sales team...There are 23 yes 23 orders for Seawind 1600 right now. Contracts signed and waiting...Did I forget to mention that if you order Seawind now that it will not be ready until 2023..that's not misprint . Nick I like you and Terysa and your content. However even my wife who was next to me and she had smile on her face (rare occurrence when talking about boats and $) when she was aboard Seawind 1600. Sorry Nick, but she did laugh at you that you liked this "Pretender" Vs Seawind 1600. AUS Co design wins by common sense. The other boat we fell in love also was Balance 526. WOW. We spent an hour + with Edwin, owner of the boat. Thank you Edwin. He said he is hull #7 and being Engineer he incorporated few changes that he said that all new boat owners after him on Balance 526 are requesting and getting it. And yes it costs more ($1.74m) and it is amazing cat. And of course my wife loved it. After we stepped on different Lagoon's and Fountain Pajot and as we were waiting to 'begin ' to move about the cabin...the boat boards under our feet were cricking...we looked at it each other and started laughing. We left shortly after knowing what our boat is going to be...Seawind 1600 or Balance 526! Great job Nick and Terysa on providing us with amazing content and real life feelings and thoughts. Thank you.
@Captain-Paul
5 жыл бұрын
For me personally two ‘Show Stoppers’ - 1) Helm Position (can you imagine even 48 hours of hand steering in cold/wet weather with just two people on board) & 2) Engine Access (when you really needed to in a crappy sea as you would need a Granny Bar!)
@en8581
5 жыл бұрын
Paul Boat comes with factory option of dodger/bimini over helm area. I do not know why it was not known/mentioned in this otherwise great review.
@pezpengy9308
5 жыл бұрын
i was going to put in a comment on this excellent video but you pretty much beat me to it. im too old for that helm station and too non-salty to service that engine in a seaway.
@GaryMCurran
5 жыл бұрын
Even with a dodger or a Bimini I still think the heels are too far offset and out of range for conversation or such. Plus, you would need two dodgers or Biminis, so why not just go with a total hardtop?
@richiesison8012
5 жыл бұрын
"You buy a boat with your heart" agree.....a BIG heart 😊
@bryanbroughton
5 жыл бұрын
I'll be happy when you guys decide!!
@TNPatriot1776
3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this series it reviews. Well done!!!
@ianpaulhughes
5 жыл бұрын
Great review! FYI: Opaque = no light passes through Translucent = light only passes through Transparent = light and images pass through
@leslieholmes2899
5 жыл бұрын
Opaque = Contents can't be seen. In this case it was used correctly.
@ianpaulhughes
5 жыл бұрын
@@leslieholmes2899 translucent is correct - light still passes through
@marceld6061
5 жыл бұрын
Impressive sailing polar diagram. There is a lot about the boat that is beautiful. The helm station, engine room access and possibly the price are barriers for me..
@akajbssmith7423
5 жыл бұрын
Great review. I agree with all the good and the bad. For me personally, the helm would be a deal breaker. Shade for me is a must and I would want a hard top and ability for a full enclosure. The bench seat would need to be upgraded per you remarks as well. The engine access was also terrible. I think you guys were kind to them on these two points because the rest of the boat appears outstanding. Thanks for these great reviews.
@BStrapper
5 жыл бұрын
This boat has amazing technical specs, it can only be a super fast rocket, go for it!
@klouism1
5 жыл бұрын
Such great reviews thank you. I'm sure that all this is helping you to examine boats objectively. Wishing you safe sailing
@Tulasendlesssummer
5 жыл бұрын
Another awesome review you guys! Gotta love that speed potential :-)
@MikeC19100
2 жыл бұрын
Another great review of a very nice catamaran. Thank you for sharing the specs and capabilities of that Outremer 51 and for the detailed review of the boat overall. I watched another review of that boat model (BOAT TOUR: The Sailing Family's OUTREMER 51 Blue Water Catamaran - KZitem) and the owners had completely enclosed the back helm with an upper Bimini and a removable flexible enclosure. That configuration would satisfy the exposure issues you mentioned on this boat. You both do such a great job explaining the details of your review and it really helps novice's, like me, understand what the terms and characteristics mean.
@MrDannyr2000
5 жыл бұрын
love your reviews, its refreshing that you say it how it is in your opinion, whether we the viewer choose to agree or disagree, you at least get people thinking about what's important or not, well done ....Danny Australia
@sailingrubyrose
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate. Appreciate the comment
@ryanclarke331
5 жыл бұрын
Edit: Great video guys. I really am not a big fan of the open cockpit though. Another thing that bothered me was all of these new cats that are giving up U shaped galleys!! I don't understand...unless using them as floating apartments U shaped, or at least having an island behind you to brace on in high seas is so important! .... Read in another comment you guys will check out the Balance 526 this year in Annapolis. Hope to see you there! My final list of cats to decide between have come down to the Seawind 1600, the Balance 526, and the Xquiste x5. Two performance and 1 luxury cat....now to see which one the wife likes!
@ewford72
5 жыл бұрын
It is a beautifully done performance cat, so a very strong choice if you are wanting that type of boat. However, from a cruiser standpoint, I struggle to consider the performance segment a good fit for cruising, as the ride is quite rough. With cruising as a focus, I think comfort trumps performance. That said, I suppose the counterpoint is you will be uncomfortable for a shorter time, as your passages will be quicker! Also, agree with the emphasis on the open helm. That is an absolute cruising no-go in my opinion.
@GauthierRi
5 жыл бұрын
Sailing a 51 full time for 2 years now. The ride is smooth because of hull design and higher clearance. Open helm is ok for us. The downside of enclosed helms is that in an emergency it takes longer to get to the area needing attention as it is a less direct path.
@jimwapelhorst3328
5 жыл бұрын
Helm and engine access- Deal Breaker
@en8581
5 жыл бұрын
Jim Wapelhorst Boat comes with factory option of dodger/bimini over helm area. I do not know why it was not known/mentioned in this otherwise great review.
@terranborn56
5 жыл бұрын
Outremere started incorporating some construction techniques used in Gunboat that further reduces weight without sacrificing quality. The company that owns Outremere recently purchased Gunboat.
@kubevoid3977
4 жыл бұрын
The weight is double that of a TS5.
@edrussell7960
5 жыл бұрын
Love these vlogs you guys are doing well. Clear and concise opinions and reasoning behind you views. I'd hate to have you as a motivated salesman.... Very convincing. As a side note you already have the supermodel onboard, so all you need is the fat cigar. Peace and fair winds.
@paulsmyers203
5 жыл бұрын
We have a FP Orana and the cooktop is right next to the staircase. It makes me nervous every time I think about it but we've never had trouble with someone accidentally stepping off the steps, and we've lived on it for more than a year and had a variety of guests on board.
@cheribrown7661
5 жыл бұрын
I am SO enjoying this shopping experience with you guys!
@TheBlackRuffles
5 жыл бұрын
she looks very nice!!! your presentation was spotless .........love it!
@ThomNH6229
5 жыл бұрын
Outremer announces it's newest salesman of the Year, NICK just kidding obviously he really likes these woods
@trevortrent9453
5 жыл бұрын
love the channel and you guys. 2 points for Nick. 1. your "cautious" approach to sailing doesn't really lend itself to a performance boat does it? How comfortable would u be at 20 knots? but as u said u buy with your heart (just food for thought) 2. your life raft thoughts are bang on. If u have a dinghy at the rear having a life raft at the forward make sense of dividing your options in event u need them. just another reason supporting your idea. keep up the awesome content :)
@lancer2204
5 жыл бұрын
"If u have a dinghy at the rear having a life raft at the forward make sense" Especially when you consider the potential for the dinghy on davits to create an ungodly tangle of lines and restrict access to the life raft in an emergency. Do you really want to be fighting with a swinging 200Kg mass when you NEED that life raft?
@svdoinitright7519
5 жыл бұрын
I do like the Outremers, but while, as you stated, you will be sailing her with a smile, I think the non-sailing time will be less satisfying, due to the small size. For a 51' cat, I don't think it has adequate space. I would personally prefer the space and sacrifice the speed.
@JheregJAB
5 жыл бұрын
Good review. I think you're making a few excuses for the boat overall - you've been harsher on other boats for things like that helm position and you're giving quite a bit of slack to Outremer. The hulls are acceptable for a performance cat, the bucket seats are fun, and we all know it's a boat that sails amazingly well. However, the real helm is unprotected and there is no excuse for that on a boat of this caliber. The galley also leaves a lot to be desired imo. One can deal with the lack of space, but that stove position right above the stairs is inexcusable for a cruising boat. One misstep and you fall down the stairs with a pot of boiling liquid on top of you, in the middle of the ocean and days or weeks from land. Overall its a beautiful, fast, well-built boat with a couple glaring flaws that move it further down my personal list than I expected.
@sailingrubyrose
5 жыл бұрын
A thoughtful and well versed comment mate. I know I am biased. This is why the final scores are going to be taken from the app and not our scores
@francisdelacruz6439
3 жыл бұрын
Unless you are racing like using TS Cats or custom, space is important specially if the difference in time over passage is not significant.
@anthonymiller8989
5 жыл бұрын
Tony & Susan here, I believe from this review Outremer has best in class build quality. The exterior helm can be outfitted for a bit more protection from the elements . Good Job on the review. Heading to Annapolis
@victoriawalker8565
4 жыл бұрын
The boat is nice, but the compromise of the exposed helm & lack of visibility of the main from the inside position turns me off completely. Thanks for drawing attention to the life raft positioning, had not considered this. Seawind wins 😊. Keep up the great work guys, you’re helping us with our choice tremendously.
@sailingrubyrose
4 жыл бұрын
@seawind does indeed tick so so many boxes
@FormulaWill
5 жыл бұрын
I prefer the speed offered by the Outremer. Personally, I don't feel performance is weighted enough when making a purchase.
@geoff850
5 жыл бұрын
In your review of the Seawind 1600 you mentioned having saildrives as a negative, but apparently ignored this aspect with the Outremer 51.Also, I understand the Outremer's salon windows are plexiglass as opposed to the Seawind's glass. However, that said still love your fantastic reviews, just can't wait for more.
@LearningtheLines
5 жыл бұрын
Great review. I wonder if Outremer will ever consider a true interior helm position like Gunboat? Maybe their idea of helm protection is good foul weather gear 😁. Outremers are definitely on the short list of our favorite boats of all time though!
@1weirdsister
5 жыл бұрын
The downsides of a fly bridge (e.g. like the McConaghy 50 and 60 and otgers have) are you wind up shortening your mainsheet via raising your boom, and the helm position tends to be very exposed. Also, the further aft the helm is the more turbulent it will be for the pilot in rough seas. Gunboat and some HHs have the forward helm position which is great for minimizing being tossed around in heavy seas, but does leave one fairly exposes to spray and being swamped by heavy waves.
@nelsonclarke7912
5 жыл бұрын
Stealth Catamarans. Wouldn't look anywhere else. Gorgeous, perfect for liveaboard, very fast, great price.
@williamlawton4451
5 жыл бұрын
Great review as always love your comparisons on the detail keep up the great work I’m truly enjoying them
@harryweyer2174
4 жыл бұрын
A few points I have noticed through this series of reviews which by the way are totally outstanding.#1being none of these expensive vessels are fly by wire meaning I’ve been expecting a joystick control on all of these vessels connected to the navigation station of which you can utilise the boats electronics a lot more easily.#2 why after all these years of yacht and vessel construction design,the manufacturers have never integrated a self inflating bladder design similar to the life vest that would make the vessels unsinkable in any condition,boats shouldn’t sink anymore in this day and age of technology,the human safety factor has to be reviewed in the design and construction phase,after all they want to charge a million dollars for a boat then they need to provide a million dollar guarantee you will survive a mishap.This is not the eighteen hundreds anymore but vessels are still designed on this principle.cheers safe sailing.
@sailingrubyrose
4 жыл бұрын
Hey mate, thanks for the comment. To address your points, most autopilots allow the boat to be sailed with push buttons. However sailors normally want to feel the boat and enjoy the mechanical connection. Re buoyancy, most cats are positively buoyant. Foam cores and plywood mean that a catamaran will rarely ever sink. Most catamarans that are abandoned at sea, wash up somewhere a few months or years later.
@harryweyer2174
4 жыл бұрын
Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose Hello Nickolas,a lovely reply from you,thanks.My point about fly by wire essentially is that no matter where you are in the area of the helm control area or equally you pick up the remote helm control sand walk forward to the windlass and engage engines while lifting anchor,this option should have been provided by now in my opinion.As for abandoning a vessel at sea,the safety item I described should be inbuilt in vessels much earlier as I thought of this as a teen back in the eighties,this should be mandatory in vessel design in thisage,just my opinion thanks for you reply,much love and respect.
@GaryMCurran
5 жыл бұрын
Okay, here's my take. As I've told you multiple times, I'm not a sailor, I've never owned a sailboat, never sailed, and I don't have the experience, so my comments MUST be biased around my LACK of knowledge. I still, and will probably forever, be in love with the newer Privilege boats, from 2006 or so on, and particularly the Serie 5, 615, Serie 6, and even a couple of the 40-something footers. That Center Master Suite is just killer, even though, as Nick demonstrated, the headroom in the 510 isn't that great. I can deal with that over the bed, I sleep there, not navigate from there. Having said that, speed is always nice, luxury is always nice, but as Outremer clearly demonstrates, it's not really possible to have both. No walk around berths, a galley that isn't as big, or as safety-minded as I might like (look at the Seawind with the galley down, I'd like that in a higher sea state). I also want to be able to walk around and feel comfortable. Back to the Serie 5/510, you have room on those boats for four staterooms, and they are big and comfortable. Plus, if you wanted to, you can get a full-beam master for a three-cabin setup. Can't beat that. That's MY bias. I do agree that Outremer seems to be a quality built cat, the joinery, woodwork and the small touch of engraving in the Corian is nice. If I'm going to be paying that kind of money for a boat, I expect Rolls Royce, Bentley, Gulfstream (jet airplane) and custom Boeing interiors. From what I've seen from your video, Outremer delivers. It's not a 'production' boat. Far better than Neel, but we won't go into that. Performance. I don't know how I feel about that. I'm single, no significant other, and my sailing companions would probably be feline, and maybe a couple of paid crew (IF I was in the position to do this, I'm not). Maybe get lucky and find a lovely young lady like Terysa, but odds are stacked against me. :) :p So, do I need to get there, wherever there is, quickly and a bit cramped, or a little more slowly and in a lot more comfort? I agree that a daggerboard equipped sailboat is probably a bit more stable, significantly faster, but is also more work to get the results you want. Who wants to trim the daggerboards in 25 knots of shifting wind at 3 a.m. in the morning? Layout. So many cruising cats have the master hull and then the guest hull, and I guess that isn't bad, especially if you have air conditioning and can zone it to certain spaces. But, it does limit you in number of guests or extra crew you might carry. If you were doing long passage, i.e., Panama to Tahiti, France to Florida or the Bahamas, having more than just two onboard would be helpful. Four or five might be a better number, especially if you don't have to pay for them! Yeah, food and stuff, but you know, non-paid crew who is looking for bluewater cruising hours or experience. But, that's just me, the more the merrier? The Helm Station on the 51, to me, is a disaster. I would need to have an enclosure built around it. Either that, or a compete redesign of the hardtop to have an enclosed area extending out past the helm station that can be completely enclosed and heated, if necessary. You've stated on various occasions that a forward-looking interior Nav Station is almost a requirement, but I have to wonder why. Do you really want to do your watch standing inside, with limited visual cues and limited sightlines? Sure, some cats have interior controls for the helm, and that's not bad, but reefing a line, or changing the take up on a sheet can't be done from inside. BUT, you need to have an enclosure outside for it to be best. Interior Nav stations, In my humbled non-experience opinion, are great for planning out the trip, monitoring weather, and looking at making long-distance decisions for the trip, even for as little as 30 minutes out, depending on the requirement. Autopilot is good for that, as is radar and Predict Winds, etc., and probably IS better done inside, but at least a hand AT the wheel, if not on it, makes me feel more comfortable. But, that's just me. I trust the autopilots in the airplanes I used to fly, I most certainly trust the navigation systems in General Aviation aircraft today, but I'm not going to lean the seat back and take a nap. That's kind of how I feel about watch standing. As seen by the recent Sail GP, and America's Cup racing, foiling catamarans are the thing. I'm wondering when we're going to see foiling cats as cruising cats? One main foil on either side amidships, and two smaller ones bow and stern, or one smaller on the bow, and the rudders fitted with small foils. Could you imagine 30 knots or so downwind with a 50' cat using a Parasailor? In a LUXURY cat? Not a LuxoPerf cat, but a true luxury one. Forty knots in something like an Outremer or a Catana? LOL I need to contact Marc Lombard! LOL As to the lifeboat issue, I agree that is shouldn't be stowed somewhere that you have to open a locker to get to it. Also, considering your comments on the cat that capsized down in Aussieland, I will have to go find the video, but I've seen storage on the coachroof, next to the dingy, and some other 'less desirable' places. I DO like the Outremer solution, accessible from either side of the hull, and for a cruising couple, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't mind it intruding on the trampoline if it is easily deployed to save their lives. Anyway, good review. I'm not as biased as you are, I'm not sure I would give it the high score you did, but it wouldn't be too far off of your mark, either.
@waynemcphail7825
5 жыл бұрын
We agree, helm enclosure is needed!
@Tuttylee
5 жыл бұрын
Great review, as a mono hull cruiser we enjoy seeing how the other half live.
@andyrooMr
5 жыл бұрын
One point worth considering in the value for money category is resale and how well they hold their value. Looking at Yachtworld over the years it appears that well kept Outremers hold their value and sell quickly.
@2Moza
5 жыл бұрын
Your point when you were at the Helm inside that you could not see the top of the Mast is very Valid why not ask why they never put a View Point above the steering wheel Uv PROTECTED so no hot sun on you in there.????????? . Great Vlog Guys and having short Arms and Long Pockets never gets what you Won't lol :)
@lawrencegleason4666
5 жыл бұрын
Super series on the cats, Ruby Rose crew. Very, very, very, very good job. As they might say somewhere in the UK, with a throaty royal accent, "Bloody well done, chaps!" (read...Chap and Chapette.)
@stevestott3652
5 жыл бұрын
Great watching your reviews . And how you go back and forth to each other thoughts . Thanks for all the work you put in to your shows .from Steve stott in sutherlin Oregon u.s.a.
@andydavis369
5 жыл бұрын
My takeaway is that you two would prefer an Amel 55. Or two of them strapped together. 😉 But I will agree that that is a gorgeous catamaran. My biggest question for Outremere is can you get different engines? We’ve watched Riley replace at least three engine control units.
@burddog0792
5 жыл бұрын
Outremer is very nice, but Seawind 1600 seems the better option for a performance live-aboard. If there is a Nautitech 541 at Annapolis, I'd love to see you guys review that.
@davidleighton1763
5 жыл бұрын
I'm assuming the manufacturers are watching these reviews. Love to know their responses.
@geraldhenrickson7472
5 жыл бұрын
Manufacturers will listen if they so desire yet rarely respond directly. They are driven by their sales, R&D and legal department. The advantage is to those who remain silent and they remain free to make inprovemnts.
@sailingrubyrose
5 жыл бұрын
Outremer have seen the video and said they were happy with the review 😀
@br5498
5 жыл бұрын
@@sailingrubyrose ... I bet , y'all looking for a deal... hahaha...
@joeblow1942
5 жыл бұрын
Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose Your reviews are all really GOOD. Thank you! One thing I wonder in regards to things like no ends (arm rests) on the helm seat and engine access is that maybe you’re speaking from the perspective of someone that’s been thrashed to and fro on a monohull? I say that because a cat, and especially a high performance one like the Outremer 51, moves with little effort and slices through the water like two knives on edge. Point being - it’s a very SMOOTH RIDE.
@rickwag6000
5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like those labor rates are justified when workmanship is top notch.
@billylallen2662
5 жыл бұрын
My big issue has always been, being exposed at the helm, I would rather have a cover area to sit at the helm. A place out of the sun or weather.
@en8581
5 жыл бұрын
billyl allen Boat comes with factory option of dodger/bimini over helm area. I do not know why it was not known/mentioned in this otherwise great review.
@dutchkorreke2076
4 жыл бұрын
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@Macroproxy
5 жыл бұрын
I'm very interested to see where you end up in your budget that seems more realistic for the well off but not luckily rich. Likely the value is on the 2nd hand market.
@Mounta1nKing
5 жыл бұрын
I think when comparing this boat to others one aspect is that in terms of interior space, the Outremer 51 is more comparable to productions 44 or 45s. A 44 might even have a more spacious saloon, cockpit, and island berths. What you're really paying for here is performance. Of course it's a massive performance jump from a 45' production boat to this, but that's partly because it only has the cabin of a 44, but the long hulls of a 51'. It does have a simply massive trampoline. You could have a dance party out there. It's beautiful, but outside my price range.
@hansk.4482
5 жыл бұрын
😂😂 I really enjoyed this review. Particularly Nick's attempt to overcome the "negative" Helm position. Outremer have definitely stepped up their craftsmanship in the interior, which now is equal to that used in the 5X, ie; flush cabinet doors. I believe that it's already been mentioned in a comment below, the helm position. There are possibilities to enclose that outdoor position and as for the helm seat, being a separate unit as opposed to a moulded seat, modifications should be easy. At the moment there is a family sailing the world with an Outremer 51 "Archer" which has an enclosed helm dodger. As for the engine bay access, I agree that it's not ideal. I wonder, if they were to rotate the hatch opening so that it opens aft instead of to the side, it would give a greater sense of security? Food for thought. Anyway, Terysa, as for the neck "pop" try siting on the other side next time🤣. Great job, as always good fun to watch. Cheers
@TheSailingFamily
5 жыл бұрын
Hey Hans! Thanks for watching. Yes, we love our enclosed helm and that is an option if you want one. As for the read engine hatch, it's really not a problem. I had to change a fuel filter in rough conditions. I just turned the boat downwind. There was no threat of water coming up the three steps needed to access the engine room, so I don't see this as an issue. And I'd rather the engines be separate from the cabins to reduce noise and make them water tight. But it's just my perspective having sailed the boat with this particular issue.
@hansk.4482
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheSailingFamily Thanks for the feed back. Hope the repairs workout quickly for you!! Cheers
@dmax5722
4 жыл бұрын
*_5X?_* - 3 more meters. Fast is safe, light is safe... Never buy a keeled fat cat, screw the limited space and get used to the fast efficient hulls and daggers... Outremer needs to redesign the bimini and helm positions. Le Grand Large also makes the Gunboat 68, they share(d) the same interior designers. MC50 ,55, 60 McConaghy's semi-flybridge, huge salon and centerboards.
@KIMI-xt4eb
5 жыл бұрын
ive learned so much,thank you
@anic6559
5 жыл бұрын
i think the seawind 1260 is for you guys 560,000 dollars live aboad with lithium and all the goodies
@roadie3124
5 жыл бұрын
The problem with an open helm station in Australia is that you have no protection from the sun. Death from melanoma is not attractive. I'm sure that there are bimini options that would give shelter. Mind you, the hulls look very nice for performance.
@batissta44
5 жыл бұрын
top three sailing channel on youtube!.....trust me, I've seen them all ;)
@jmb1805
5 жыл бұрын
Bostrovas yes they do!
@hhiser6206
3 жыл бұрын
Good to excellent build quality is expected! I want to know how well its wired, instruments and layout, rigging, sails, motor and galley. The tables cusions, beds and such are so much frufru and relatively unimportant. So tell us about the utilities and propulsion more please. Thanks.🤔😎
@slypigno9835
5 жыл бұрын
What a great review I really like that boat. Wish you were also reviewing, comparing and contrasting to similar priced mono hulls.
@nffremote
5 жыл бұрын
Great information, beautifully presented, well done!
@kevineggler3153
5 жыл бұрын
Love your channel and well done. You might look at a Royal Cape Majestic 530 when you get to Annapolis. Hope to run into you there.
@dazthesailor6363
5 жыл бұрын
Another great review , just a few simple things for liveaboard , put doors on the shelves on the main cabin near the bed to increase storage . Black mullions look great inside and the cockpit cannot he walked into from the shore like most cats you have to walk over the combing so essentially the cockpit is like a centre cockpit on a monohull giving you more protection . One note,what is the drainage like just Incase you get a big wave in there. ! Take care Darrell
@thomaswilson4830
4 жыл бұрын
Having just watched your review of the Seawind 1600, the Outremer 51 falls short. The helming position is really rather poor and I am surprised that Outremer have not put more thought into that crucial point for any one looking for an ocean crossing vessel. Also I couldn't help notice the position of the throttle controls which are really not great. Last but not least: Engine access! If you are simply coastal cruising this might be ok but again for anyone considering long distance that access is simply dangerous When you see all the rest of the boat there is clearly a lot of attention to detail but these three points are disappointing and Outremer should address them.
@sailingrubyrose
4 жыл бұрын
Glad You agree my friend
@juliejohnson9891
5 жыл бұрын
I would like to see you add interior height in your reviews. My husband and I are both tall and love watching your reviews.
@Niagra2011
5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic review. Nick had me laughing with selling a kidney. Narrow hulls equals performance but as I would prefer to live aboard, I prefer space as well as creature comforts. Build quality and fit and finish are amazing. Ryan er Riley (lol) and Alayna could really use the extra space now. They should be upgrading to this larger model. Nick, just come up with something to replace the dangerous mercury fillings that they still use today with something that is safe and you could just write a check for this million dollar masterpiece. Hoping I can make it to Annapolis Boat Show to say hello. Keep up the great work!
@jacquihida8618
5 жыл бұрын
Really enjoying this series. When are you going to buy a cat? Can’t wait to watch your transition
@srqlisa7881
5 жыл бұрын
Considering you can have the outside helm station and the whole cockpit enclosed I see no issues with that part. This boat had a great cockpit. I really like this Catarmaran the interior design is not the normal and that makes this boat I can really picture you guys in I love it. Keep that Dream alive. How's the canals??? : 0 peace
@gnawershreth
4 жыл бұрын
Good review, I really enjoyed it. :) One thing I don't understand is why "paying for labor" takes away from a boat's score though. That's a good thing I would have thought? The people who built the catamaran aren't having to live off food stamps or whatever, and that would actually be a positive thing for me. I don't see something bordering on indentured servitude as a good thing even if it does result in a bit lower costs for me.
@sailingrubyrose
4 жыл бұрын
Because it’s value for money my friend. The workers have almost similar qualities of life in different continents. However a worker in South Africa or Vietnam or Taiwan will get paid much less in dollars than a European worker. It means that the boats built in Europe have a much higher cost for labour attributed to the build.
@gnawershreth
4 жыл бұрын
Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose, Sure but by that logic no one from Europe or other 1st world countries would be able to hold a job. A lawyer in USA costs more than one in Vietnam as well, a CEO makes more in Australia than in Cambodia, a baker makes more in Germany than in Venezuela etc. Aren't they worth the money you think? I know that EU has some of the highest standards, controls, requirement etc. in the world that companies must live up to, and I know that the people building my boat (or whatever I'm buying) isn't just trying to crank out as many products per hour as possible because they're dirt poor trying to make a living. I kinda like that to be honest, and if I was buying a catamaran for 2 million euro we've already left "the land of value for money" I think, so if I'm that rich I'd rather pay a bit more and know that what I'm getting meets all the high EU standards, that the company that made it operates under EU laws and regulation in case of faults, warranty issues or whatever and so on. That's a pretty good assurance to have when you're already paying that much for a boat I think. :)
@SeanRWilson
5 жыл бұрын
Cons: 1. Engine access 2. Exposed helm 3. Narrow hulls/constrained living space Pros: 1. Design aesthetic 2. Build quality 3. Speed So to sum up. You can zoom zoom everywhere you go in a zen inspiring modern sailing machine while smoking a cigar and enjoying the dancing supermodels.....BUT....if you're trying to helm at night in a thunderstorm you'd better pray you don't get beam on waves OR have to fiddle with your engines. Plus, I've really got to ask whether the average cruising couple/family would really make use of the 20+ knot speeds all the time with the required daggerboard fiddling that'd entail? Getting there fast or just going fast for fun's sake is one thing but I imagine 20+ knots hours on end could shake a few fillings loose. She is pretty though. Kinda like a Ferrari 459. Fast, minimalist, gorgeous but.......
@sergest-pierre6160
5 жыл бұрын
This one get my vote. I would look for a used one. I like the Seawind 1600 too but no used one yet. I would ask Outremer owners how they feel about expose help position. From what see, they let the autopilot do the steering and sit inside. As for safety, I sail a lagoon 380 in 4m waves and 30+ wind, and even in those condition you don't feel the need to clip on as you enter the cockpit. The motion is very different and you don't heel enough to loose your footing. Maybe once sitting down at helm at night. Of course, I would clip on if I need to go forward or at the mast. The beauty in a fast cat is that you don't have to take 4m waves and 30 Knots wind, you can sail away from it.
@srqlisa7881
5 жыл бұрын
I hope Riley and Elayne see the bunkroom cabin great setup for two kids. : 0peace
@robertskinner1799
5 жыл бұрын
Nick, you were talking about the helm station. Have you looked at what "Wildling" did to close in their helm? I thought that would have been a good compromise.
@lancer2204
5 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/1J2HloOamKqffII Is that the one? Pretty easy and cheap fix, all that is missing is $100 worth of SS side rails on that bench seat
@GaryMCurran
5 жыл бұрын
In looking at that, I would say that was more a sunshade than something suitable for long overnight passages. My concern is something like what Jason and Nikki Wynn had to deal with in this video. kzitem.info/news/bejne/mpWZr55phapqdY4 Actually, they had a couple of issues, but you can see that at 3 a.m., in squalls, you don't want to be sitting out in the open without a full dodger or hardtop with enclosures. Notice at about 7:30 when Nikki comes out of the engine room the full enclosure around the helm station, even if it angles outward. I can't see not having that kind of enclosure if I was going to be doing long distance cruising.
@lennysheldon7685
5 жыл бұрын
I like your boat review series. you do a good job with this format. maybe you can do a mono hull review series?
@sailingrubyrose
5 жыл бұрын
We probably will review a few monohulls
@dylannewton76
5 жыл бұрын
Just watched a review of the Antares 44 and it looks spankingly good. Any plans for you guys to do a review on it ?
@azskorupa1813
5 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested to hear your comparison of the Outremer 51 and the Balance 526.
@sahathorne1
5 жыл бұрын
that would be an interesting one - I got a test sail on Aloni - a Balance 526 and it is an amazing boat. there really isn't much a comparison as build quality and space on 526 is worlds beyond the O51, but so is the cost at over $1.8M kitted out. There's a new Balance model in the makings that is worthy of a look that will compete with the O51 - same space as the 526 (in a 482 format) with about 90 - 95% of the performance - so it's right there with the O51.
@danieleyde7232
4 жыл бұрын
Fast and beautiful!
@jonathangriggs9123
5 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with your comment re the position of hob relative to the stairs.
@nelmax07
5 жыл бұрын
... owning and living/working full time on an O51 I can assure you that it hasn’t been an issue. And yes, we cook while sailing ⛵️⛵️⛵️
@Davebsuk
5 жыл бұрын
Great review but as you admit very heavily biased. From watching other cat channels I think your minor points are really not that minor. An enclosed cockpit for ocean crossing is surely a must, and is for sun protection as well as bad weather in hotter climes. Plus how minimised is the cockpit space when the covers are in place, seems it would seem very small indeed, as is the rest of the boat. For a live-a-board surely comfort and space is a priority. As for the life raft placement this can surely be moved on other cats. Sailing SV Happy Together moved their raft forward on their new Leopard 50.
@TraneFrancks
5 жыл бұрын
Wanting that enclosed helm sure does suggest the Antares 44GS. That said, I'm very curious about the life raft stowage on that boat, as it just isn't obvious. I love the GS so much courtesy of its engine placement, etc., but the life raft placement is a huge question mark.
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