Like and comment and I'll let you use my idea for the "You dropped your crown, king" meme, using the thumbnail image, that I didn't use in this video.
@Mrballerhimself
2 ай бұрын
I was the first to comment therfore I am king 👑 bow down before me peasants mwahahaha
@BreakingDownMedia
2 ай бұрын
@@Mrballerhimselfyou just want me on my knees don’t lie
@calebhill7717
2 ай бұрын
@@Mrballerhimselfcan I haves pretty please 🥺
@brookejon3695
2 ай бұрын
Yes, sir!
@BreakingDownMedia
2 ай бұрын
@@overanalyzingavatar I mean who don’t like good ol memes
@bluemetroid8771
2 ай бұрын
I think that the idea of Rava and Vaatu would be a lot more digestible if they just called Rava the spirit of order or balance and Vaatu the spirit of chaos. It still would represent a cosmic push and pull and would make sense why they keep referring to "bringing balance to the world", as well as explaining why Vaatu naturally grows stronger than Rava when they are split (chaos is more common than order naturally). It also gets rid of the idea that the avatar must represent "light" due to Rava being part of them. I don't think it solves every issue with this origin story, but it's a start.
@CaliforniumEra
2 ай бұрын
Same, Order vs Chaos would of have been better. Order vs Chaos isn’t strictly Good vs Evil, as there is merits to both. It ties it to Season 3, Zaheer had great points, but there needs be a *balance* between Order and Chaos. Too much order and you get the Earth Kingdom/Empire, too much Chaos and you get levels of Ba Seing Se riots.
@idle_speculation
2 ай бұрын
I also think that Wan should’ve absorbed both of them, so the Avatar really embodies balance instead of being the embodiment of pure goodness.
@pn2294
2 ай бұрын
@@CaliforniumErait is order versus chaos
@nicholas-jasonroache1526
2 ай бұрын
That is how I already thought up them. Raava represents balance while Vaatu represents imbalance. They embody the constant struggle for harmony
@creed8712
2 ай бұрын
@@idle_speculationthat would have been a wild twist that the main villain of the season is searching for a power that just doesn’t exists, so instead of a giant kaiju fight she has to like fucking talk to somebody for once to make them stop
@derrickbiedermann9802
2 ай бұрын
The spirits basically colonizing the physical word yet always acting like victims is something I always thought was strange, especially going into season 3 where the spirit wilds consume entire city blocks and rogue spirits just kidnap people, despite the spirits having an entire WORLD to themselves.
@deepcrab
2 ай бұрын
Very topical to current events if you ask me, so I guess you can't say it's dated
@derrickbiedermann9802
2 ай бұрын
@deepcrab Damn, unintentional on my part. But to be fair, there aren't bloody civil wars and instability destroying the lands the spirits come from.
@peanutbutter7721
2 ай бұрын
@@derrickbiedermann9802 rogue not rouge lol, this is Rogue One all over again.
@94nolo
2 ай бұрын
yeah. it's dumb show unfortunately.
@Emma__O
2 ай бұрын
No shock there, The Promise comic had the same premise.
@_NIKOS9_NIKOS
2 ай бұрын
I love how the show tried to have those "humans are selfish/ignorant" moments, while they pretty much turned all spirits into colonizers. Like, if you really think about it there is no balance whatsoever, the spirits are straight up an invasive species to the physical world.
@bobthemonitor9697
2 ай бұрын
There are hours of ink to spill on the nightmare blunt rotation that is Legend of Korra's ideological figureheads, this show's politics are *fucked* lmao
@valvevac-systemchecker3773
2 ай бұрын
In general it’s this whole notion of human bad nature good sentiment from writers who’ve never seen nature.
@toasterowens8916
2 ай бұрын
Balance does not equal full equality
@Talisguy
2 ай бұрын
It would've made a lot more sense if the events of this episode had _created_ the Spirit World - if they'd been stuck on the same planet for around the same time, or the Spirits had been here before humanity and they were lashing out at intrusions into their habitat, you could maybe look at it the way they seemed to intend it. ...But there was nothing stopping them from just staying in their own goddamn home.
@MrMinewarp
2 ай бұрын
That point is also further made when Korra opens the portals and spirits literally take over thousands of miles of city blocks and cause massive damage.
@Ezekiel_Allium
2 ай бұрын
Rava and Vaatu always struck me as very "I've skimmed the wikipedia article on dualism, didn't really get it but thought it was cool, and now I'm going to try and incorporate it into avatar with literally no attempt to take into account the way my own cultural views and my preconceptions of other cultures will color the execution of this concept"
@comfeycanto8427
2 ай бұрын
Oh, and you have 7 days to write this script and also can you do it in like 30 minutes? Thanks!
@legitimatemedicine
2 ай бұрын
Yeah kinda shaved Christian dualism into a much more Shinto style mythology and it really sours me on everything that follows including some of the books/comics
@onlyaraku
2 ай бұрын
@@comfeycanto8427 Super easy, barely an inconvenience!
@cardboard_hat
Ай бұрын
@@legitimatemedicine There's no dualism in Abrahamic religions Good is infinitely more powerful while evil is a temporary corruption In Islam, there's no absolute evil, not even Satan
@luisfilipe2023
Ай бұрын
Yeah I still think it’s a cool idea on its own but it doesn’t really fit with the show and the eastern stuff
@ThatRipOff
2 ай бұрын
“WE WILL NO LONGER GRANT HUMANS THE POWER OF BENDING” Them turtles gonna feel real silly when they see that bending turned out to be an inheritable trait.
@TheLithp
2 ай бұрын
I've seen so many complaints about random things that I can't tell if this is a joke. If not, they wouldn't care because they're not trying to prevent some outcome, they just decided to stop doing what they were doing because "the world is entering a new age." If bending is inheritable now, it's just whatever to them.
@WT205
2 ай бұрын
I think "good by itself, bad in context of Avatar" is the best way to describe it
@KohenBlassingame
2 ай бұрын
It is very bland all around. Black and white, with nothing interesting in the middle. They are boring on their own and overwhelmingly awful in the context of Airbender because of the lack of respect for continuity.
@AoAstar
2 ай бұрын
@@KohenBlassingame i know everyone says if it wasnt connected to avatar we would be praising it- but how? characters are as thin as paper and plots are introduced with how we are suppose to feel about it pre explained without any room for change no matter what the story does- i liked season 3 but personally i still wouldnt call this a good show or the story of the first avatar an interesting deep dive whatsoever, loved the animation style change though. I can't even touch what its done to the amazing lore of the world of the og tldr; i rant about korra
@Onaterdem
2 ай бұрын
That's basically the entirety of TLOK. It's a good show, fantastic show compared to the average, but absolutely nothing compared to ATLA.
@KohenBlassingame
2 ай бұрын
@@Onaterdem Personally, I think that ko ora in a Vacuum, Would be considered pretty mid, if it didn't have the most killer soundtrack on planet earth. Somehow all of those undeserved payoffs feel incredible when you have the master class soundtrack that they have blasting in the background. But when you compare it to avatar the last air member, it's just not even remotely close. I know that's not nostalgia talking, I grew up with both of them. I used to love Korra, and then I learned what good writing and characters are. And then I stopped. I appreciate avatar more than I ever have. And I used to have the script memorized as a kid. Like gun to my head I could reproduce the entire script.
@KohenBlassingame
2 ай бұрын
@@AoAstar Actually, I have a bit of a harsher position than you. I think season 3 is ass too. Ancharcist crybaby I cant take seriously, and bending is butchered in that season some more.
@nikmariealex
3 ай бұрын
I would love a mini series on the second avatar. Imagine the confusion for them 😂
@peanutbutter7721
2 ай бұрын
Interesting that they would be of Air origin, and so feasibly could be the one to make the Wan statue in the room of Avatars - starting the tradition.
@horse14t
2 ай бұрын
I would love to see this!
@dustymooneye5858
2 ай бұрын
That would've been one hell of a conversation: "Hey man, so i'm basically the reincarnated embodiment of good and this is what i looked like in a previous life. Anyway i'm off to save the world using all four elements, byeee!"
@maggie2556
2 ай бұрын
Could be an interesting exploration of autonomy. After all, Wan set a legacy, but the Avatar as a whole doesn't really have a set duty or role yet. Wan could try to guide them to continue his work, but if there's one thing Korra taught us, it's that reincarnations are different and we have to deal with it. The second Avatar is the one who decides what the title means to the world.
@fluffypuppy4388
2 ай бұрын
I’d watch that lol
@GiovannisDaedra
2 ай бұрын
"If I stay any longer, you will die" *be wiped out. Come on Rava, there are kids watching this fucking show
@madrone33
2 ай бұрын
😂
@dredgen0268
3 ай бұрын
I do love when we find Wan’s old looking Avatar statue; made of wood with the Light spilling around him
@brookejon3695
2 ай бұрын
When is that?
@francisariwaodo318
2 ай бұрын
@@brookejon3695Earlier in the season
@PhantoRoyce
2 ай бұрын
Isn’t it weird they made it out of wood,which would take time to carve when someone could just bend a statue out of the ground
@VisceralSupreme
2 ай бұрын
@@PhantoRoyce exactly, wood statues would be more prestigious since you need someone to carve it by hand
@abramsmith3627
2 ай бұрын
@ice/hvtrs8%2F-wuw%2Cymuvu%60e%2Ccmm-cjalngl-UANxdpVXG%3BdOilNpGZRq0%2FYu I'm not sure if they had this at that point, but couldn't they have bent the water in the wood? Like in the blood bender episode or the swamp people? Ik blood bending was fairly new at that point, but Idk abt plant bending.
@fred321
2 ай бұрын
"Would Aang be the Aang we all know and love without Raava?" Well... isn't that Wan's story? He became a hero and a legend before fusing with Raava. He even taunts Vaatu with "I'm not a regular human anymore". Fusing with Raava only gave him more power, but he already was a hero! This is also reflected in the ending of this season: Korra loses Raava, and Tenzin points out to her that Wan was the hero before becoming the Avatar. Even without Raava, Korra could still save the world.
@BotloB
2 ай бұрын
But this is the problem, though. What is the purpose of Raava, the embodyment of all good character traits, if goodness, heroism, lightness can exist without it? This is completly against what we have known about how the spirits work in this universe. Killing the moon spirit basically killed the moon itself. There is seemingly no connection between Raava and the thing it represents.
@alessandro348
2 ай бұрын
7:15 Yeah La and Tui already embodied yin and yang/light and dark/push and pull/dichotomy in general, and did it 1000x better than Vaatu and Raava. They're not having a cataclysmic battle for dominance, they're circling each other in harmony. When La possesses Aang, he doesn't go "OK Aang it's time to become a dark Avatar muahhahah I'm the evil spirit because I'm the black fish", he just uses him as a conduit and starts drowning people. It's also a joke that Raava is peace and light when that isn't what the Avatar represents. Aang uses an eclipse (darkness) to launch an invasion (war), so either we go into "war is peace/freedom isn't free" rhetoric or both Raava and Vaatu should have been joined together in Wan to become the Avatar spirit.
@NobleVagabond2552
2 ай бұрын
Love this mention of Aang using an eclipse to launch an attack, which itself isn’t airbender like at all, but necessary for him to do as the Avatar
@peanutbutter7721
2 ай бұрын
@NobleVagabond2552 I would note that "airbender" and "air nomad" are different things. An airbender could be violent, an air nomad would not be. The overlap of their circles isn't necessarily one inside the other. Think Zaheer, for example.
@ethancoltrane5754
2 ай бұрын
I think if Raava and Vaatu were explained as light and dark in harmony, and in conflict with each other respectively, it would have made a little more sense although they'd have to have different color pallettes.
@thegreatscribbles960
2 ай бұрын
Honestly this is a good way to think of as Yang chang describe being the avatar means you have to do what must and not your own personal beliefs
@RenoKyrie
2 ай бұрын
@@peanutbutter7721Zaheer isnt even a Bender tho, just Season 3 weirdness He DOES however understand how Airbender Philosophy work and end up becoming a REALLY dangerous Air Bender despite being given to it recently, just because one is not a Bender doesnt mean you couldnt learn anything from them And thats been consistent with what Iroh teached Zuko in Last Airbender, just because something is different doesnt mean we shouldnt learn from them
@enigma8301
2 ай бұрын
"Wtf how do you know about that? Were you watching too?" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@milansoltesz9395
2 ай бұрын
We could say, she was briefed about this.
@tiablue9106
2 ай бұрын
“You shouldn’t have been briefed about this”
@zspider1778
2 ай бұрын
yeah hahahahhahah
@DragonSlayer-hi4cx
3 ай бұрын
10:16 this is the funniest line since “I fuck with this energy Aang” absolutely love how much anger is in it.
@spence8920
3 ай бұрын
Sadly “I fuck with this energy Aang” is just so much more quotable IRL. Great quote, this shits the reason why I’m a Patreon.
@MarcelxDD
2 ай бұрын
Where does he say that? 🤨
@peanutbutter7721
2 ай бұрын
What line are you referring to here?
@onmyway3139
2 ай бұрын
@@MarcelxDD i think he meant "since" not "sense"
@dancostello4872
2 ай бұрын
I'm so glad I'm not the only person that he absolutely sent with that comment 🤣
@cheesehotdog3471
2 ай бұрын
I really hate how little moral ambiguity there is for Season 2. Vaatu is all evil and Raava is all good. One of the main aspects of ATLA that compelled me was how nuanced every character and faction was. Sokka was an amazing leader and great friend, but he always has a chip on his shoulder about not being able to bend and is frankly misogynistic for the first few episodes. Katara is sweet, but can let her power get to her head. Aang is a pure, lovable pacifist, but that pacifism can become enabling easily. Their enemies, the fire nation, are monstrous, sure, but as we see in several episodes, they're raised from birth to be soldiers and fire nation children are not treated well at all. There's always some level of good and evil in characters no matter what side they're on. Meanwhile in Korra she's fighting the literal devil.
@valvevac-systemchecker3773
2 ай бұрын
Well ozai was also the literal archetypical evil character though it fit well in that show compared to here
@RenoKyrie
2 ай бұрын
@@valvevac-systemchecker3773Ozai is written as evil but the tone he was supposed to be make far more sense than Vaatu since we KNOW his family is long been messed up Sozin litteraly betrayed the Avatar, his son somehow still continues his wrong ways, and Ozai thought it would be a good idea to forcefully marry a descendant of Roku and then do a LOT of bad things The guy wants a strong sucessor for a strong World he will make, Vaatu is just written as Satan and Wan is Jesus
@battlesheep2552
2 ай бұрын
I think the idea with LOK is "we see what happens when the fire nation takes it's philosophy to a villainous extreme, now lets check out the other nations". Earth is the element of order, and you get Kuvira the dictator. Air is the element of freedom, so you get Zaheer the anarchist. So of course when we have water, the element of spirit, it makes sense that Unalaq is going to unleash an evil god for... reasons.
@garg4531
2 ай бұрын
@@RenoKyrie”The guy wants a strong successor for a strong world he will make” Well said! Ozai is just doing what he feels is right, not being all “Oh I’m so evil!”
@pokechatter
2 ай бұрын
@@garg4531 For some more devil’s advocacy, Sozin’s nationalist motivation came from him wanting to share his nation’s prosperity with the rest of the world. Too bad this took the form of extreme violence, genocide and oppression against the rest of the world on top of the betrayal of his former best friend. His descendants just inherited this twisted perception of the world as theirs to conquer, with no or limited exposure to outside perspectives. While still shallow in ways, Ozai and the fire nation of ATLA is still a more proper antagonist than generic bad blob Vaatuu.
@AroyalMcWiener
2 ай бұрын
My big complaint about these episodes are that Order and chaos are treated like good and evil, while they are not. Both are needed. I think, characterization not withstanding, both raava and vaatu should've ended being a part of the avatar as they together will bring balance to the world. They could've even kept the (bad) ending fight by making Korras uncle (forgetting the name) spirit bend Vaatu out of her and taking it for him self. And in the end Korra, by having learned spirit bending being able to extract vaatu from Unc.
@RenoKyrie
2 ай бұрын
Chaos and Order deffinitly need each other to work Like Light and Dark, Push and Pull Without Chaos there will be no such thing as Change, nothing will move to create something new Without Order nothing will be organized, and being organized lets you notice certain things INCLUDING how Change is a necessary thing but should be taken carefully If theres too much Order, the world of Avatar would become Ba Sing Se where everything is too strict, if theres too much Chaos it would be like Republic city where everyone is too carefree about everything
@jossgreen9318
2 ай бұрын
damn, that would have been a much better plot actually
@garg4531
2 ай бұрын
I only recently started thinking of looking at things as order vs chaos as opposed to good vs evil, and I have to say I like it a lot better Cause while we usually think of order as being good, it also means rules and restrictions to maintain that order, and while chaos is often thought of as bad, it also means the freedom to do whatever you want Neither one is truly good nor evil but instead they each have their pros and cons, meaning there *is* no right or wrong with them, you *need* to have just the right balance of both
@berengustav7714
2 ай бұрын
Mistborn Era 1 has Preservation and Ruin.
@Monkchelle_Kongbama
2 ай бұрын
@@RenoKyrie yup, I hate all of this
@raynepanda
2 ай бұрын
So here is something people get wrong about Yin and Yang. The whole point isn't that good and evil exist together harmoniously. The point is that "Balance" exists as our conception of what "Good" is and "Imbalance" exists based on our conception of "Bad". Light and Dark aren't evil and good. When Vaatu detaches from Raava, their fight doesn't make sense because Vaatu doesn't have any equal opposing forces. It doesn't make sense because HE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE EVIL!
@goblintube2562
2 ай бұрын
He isn’t really evil. He just wants to spread chaos.
@KaiHung-wv3ul
2 ай бұрын
Exactly, it’s a fundamental misunderstanding of an entire school of philosophy and it’s very annoying.
@zspider1778
2 ай бұрын
order and chaos not good and evil that pretty much fix all that misunderstanding realy good
@sparkie1j
2 ай бұрын
They literally alteady got this concept right with the koi fish in the first series
@brandonlyon730
2 ай бұрын
@@goblintube2562 He has a massive evil laugh, to say he isn’t evil is just silly.
@xaviermanning2219
2 ай бұрын
OA @ 12:18: “How the hell?! Aren’t you the curtain of pure evil? Shouldn’t you be up on this stuff?! One might say he should’ve been briefed about that.
@Darthvader-oc5tp
2 ай бұрын
12:18 *
@Onaterdem
2 ай бұрын
Oof Overanalyzing, that's a missed opportunity
@speljufcharlotte8999
2 ай бұрын
That one must hurt.
@jeddicus9916
2 ай бұрын
If Raava was obsessed with order to the point where human rights and desires are removed, it would have made them actually be something more than good vs evil. Vaatu counters her by giving people free will and the ability to be more than just mindless slaves, while Raava keeps them from going to the extreme and keeps everyone equal
@kodiak8205
7 күн бұрын
I don't like the concept of them in the first place But it would have been better that avatar is jnfusion of them both
@dreri3738
2 ай бұрын
This episode really contradicted something I believed as a child, that Avatar is the incarnation of the spirit of the planet. I feel like being connected with spirit of light makes it less cool and shallower somehow. Especially when looking at Aang vs Ozai - Ozai wants to burn have of the world, so Aang is sent as a weapon the planet created itself to stop him. It's a combat between the world and the ambition of a man. It makes me feel that when Aang wielding "all the power of the world" says "Fire Lord Ozai, you and your forefathers devasteted the balance of this world. And now you will pay ultimate prize", it's the planet itself putting Ozai in his place. Turning it into "good spirit vs evil spirit" feels like making it so much abstract, but also less layered.
@kerroseir4764
2 ай бұрын
Replace planet with God or something. The planet sounds like captain planet Though I can also see a bit of your point because of when aang was possessed by the fish spirit and he accepted it fully
@garg4531
2 ай бұрын
Dang, I really love that interpretation you had! 👏👏 Fits very perfectly, and goes with some earlier themes, like Aang saying how the Avatar is supposed to protect nature
@luisvelez1952
2 ай бұрын
Captain Planet is so underrated that I forgot about it
@nagger8216
2 ай бұрын
@@kerroseir4764 No you silly billy, it's important that the Avatar is the spirit of the Earth itself and not some messiah created by a separate God entity. The Avatar is a symbol of nature, not Jesus lmao
@arsenchuzhykov466
2 ай бұрын
That's an incredibly interesting take
@6thgraderfriends
2 ай бұрын
Also, with Raava, Aang was never at risk for "being corrupted" like the lion turtle suggested he would be when fighting Ozai. He has the literal spirit of "light and good" inside him. It would make more sense for the avatar have to absorbed both Raava and Vaatu.
@tiablue9106
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, like many ppl, if the avatar was confirmed to have an actual spirit inside of them, I’d rather it be the spirit of the planet itself, some kinda elemental spirit or balance/harmony spirit-smth more “neutral”. It being the literal spirit of goodness, light and order just feels wonky edit: on the matter of aang vs ozai specifically tho, ig the best way to look at it was that the lion turtle wasn't being literal when he said aang's "spirit must be unbendable"--I mean we did see that aang almost got destroyed. In that instance "spirit" could be taken more as "willpower" than an actual spirit
@6thgraderfriends
2 ай бұрын
@@tiablue9106 Like being the incarnation of the spirt of the planet. That sounds way cooler than all this nonsense.
@TheLithp
2 ай бұрын
Please stop making things up to get mad about.
@RenoKyrie
2 ай бұрын
@@TheLithpThere is no "Making things up" If anything you are here being angry at people getting angry over something that SHOULD be criticized about how bad Korra Writers are
@Onaterdem
2 ай бұрын
@@TheLithp Please stop dismissing valid concerns as "nitpicks". This is happening extremely often these days, and should genuinely stop. If we didn't have people complaining about bad quality products, we would never have good quality products.
@lasercraft32
2 ай бұрын
The thing I dislike most about this season is how they did Spirits dirty... In the ATLA, they had an entire episode about how spirits are neither good nor evil, and simply their own thing. Hei Bai got angry and went rampant, but wasn't evil, he was just upset that his forest was destroyed. Now they have Rava and Vatu, and the whole turning spirits into "dark spirits" (whatever that means). Quite literally forcing spirits into a good/evil mentality. It just feels like it misses the whole point of spirits in every aspect.
@allforone3427
2 ай бұрын
5:39 With the idea that Lion Turtles predate Rava and Vatu, Light and Dark respectively, perhaps they represent something like Matter and Energy. The building blocks for everything in the Universe. Which would explain their complete control over the Elements, and the Energy within us all.
@garg4531
2 ай бұрын
Definitely makes sense, and thinking about it now I can imagine the Lion Turtles embodying the elements of the Earth while Rava and Vatu might’ve appeared around the same time as humanity and/or the spirits, embodying their potential for good and evil or something like that, or at least having the power to influence them
@carloguerrero6583
2 ай бұрын
Yo that's a great interpretation, and Fits with their animals. Lions are robust from their bodies and radiant from their manes. Turtles are much more "matter themed" though
@itsmeike
2 ай бұрын
@@garg4531 It does. Perhaps the Lion Turtles reflect the tangible world; the trees, the rocks, the planet, the elements. Whereas Raava and Vaatu represent more than just the spirits, but also the human spirit. In creating light and dark, they also created the soul. I think humanity as a whole is an intersection between spirituality and the tangible world, and that adds more depth between the Avatar being the bridge between worlds. The Avatar seeks to balance the world by balancing humanity itself, and this is why the Avatar grew to be a sort of harbinger of peace, preventing wars and protecting the innocent. Evil is an imbalance in the hearts of man, and it is the Avatar's role to correct it.
@garg4531
2 ай бұрын
@@itsmeike Very cool and very nice! I really like this idea
@murphy5353
2 ай бұрын
A problem I have with Raava being an actual sapient being is that it kind of muddles the concept of an "instinctual" avatar state. While ATLA didn't outright say it, it seemed to want us to think that when Aang enters the avatar state during times of emotional distress that it was more of this feral, primal spirit taking over his body as opposed to a past life puppeting him. But now that we know that the avatar spirit can feel and think just like humans... how does it make sense that Aang was trapped in an iceberg for 100 years? Why wouldn't Raava just take control and get him to safety? If she was some feral spirit then it would make perfect sense to just be stuck in self defence mode for that long, but she isn't, so did she just stay frozen for shits and giggles?
@TheLithp
2 ай бұрын
Read Rise of Kyoshi. It has the best descriptions clarifying how the Avatar State works.
@mranima748
2 ай бұрын
@@TheLithp yangchen novels kind of did it better imo, since yangchen has to fight against her past life instincts to kill and you can really feel the power of the avatar state
@yeredortega2531
2 ай бұрын
I can’t believe it took the baseball bat in barbed wire joke for me to realize who the voice actor for Wan is.
@Bayesic
2 ай бұрын
Didn't even realize who it was til I read your comment lol
@tamastasi428
2 ай бұрын
@@Bayesic Oh shit, true
@themoonsevilsister1561
2 ай бұрын
my brother made a joke about "harmonic convergence" sounding like the name of a metal concert and I can't never unremember it
@peterhoskins2683
2 ай бұрын
My head cannon for why the airbenders can fly is that they didn’t have any earthly attachments until they found their best friends- the sky bison. That bond kept them “grounded” and they lost the ability to fly because of that love.
@TwilightChomperEnthusiast
2 ай бұрын
I never realized that there is no recap in this episode. Thanks, OA! I'll never look at it the same again!
@zebra_son
2 ай бұрын
But... There is. I'm watching it right now! I guess Overanalyzing has the cut down version
@nerdpocalypse5004
3 ай бұрын
I always thought it would have been cool if durning the final fight with Vaatu Korra would've also merged with Vaatu[along side Raava] thus creating an actually balanced avatar
@pn2294
2 ай бұрын
She did. Vaatu is in Raava
@Bangaudaala
2 ай бұрын
I thought it wouldve been cool if both Vaatu and Raava wrre sealed
@pn2294
2 ай бұрын
@@Bangaudaala yeah it would’ve been a great ending to have the Avatar gone forever
@davialmeida4442
2 ай бұрын
They would need some heavy rewrites for that to work
@Bangaudaala
2 ай бұрын
@@pn2294 since korra also theoretically "lost all connection to the past avatars"
@NobleVagabond2552
2 ай бұрын
18:59 and this is why I completely separate these two stories, I refuse to allow any bit of character assassination into Atla, it’s too good for me to allow anything from Korra to change how I felt about Atla before Korra ever existed
@feathero3
2 ай бұрын
Same. I never let a retcon or future installment of any franchise alter its original predecessor. I see the original, and I see the new as an alternative take, but the original is still there and untouched.
@StickyFinguz
2 ай бұрын
Rava, being the source of the Avatar state, really lessons Aangs spiritual journey in the original. He didn't have to overcome fear of destiny. Just talk to Kite Spirit. He didn't have to learn to let go of Katarra. Just talk to the kite spirit dummy. Everything he went through with Guru Patik was all for nothing when it's just a stupid kite spirit that should have talked to each Avatar and said "hey so this whole Avatar state is my doing. You ever need to access it. You just hit me up."
@NobleVagabond2552
2 ай бұрын
That’s why retcons suck, it’s truly best to think of Atla taking into account absolutely nothing from Korra. Which before Korra existed that’s exactly what you would do
@Aplesedjr
2 ай бұрын
Isn’t the idea that the avatar can’t really communicate with rava directly though? They merged so thoroughly that the avatar can’t “just talk to kite spirit”, because they’d basically just be talking to themselves. Now, I think it’s fair to have grievance with the idea of the avatar always ending up good regardless of their struggles because the avatar spirit is itself inherently good. But saying that aang could have spoken to rava at any point to fix all of his problems isn’t really true.
@StickyFinguz
2 ай бұрын
@Aplesedjr OK, so why does Aang need to go on his spiritual journey, and Wan doesn't?
@zipzapper0
2 ай бұрын
@@StickyFinguz Aang had specific spiritual hang-ups causing him trouble. He needed that journey to come to terms with them, and reach an understanding with his own inner conflict. It wasn't about Kite-Spirit, it was about Aang.
@lordteragriff7114
2 ай бұрын
@@zipzapper0what specific spiritual hang-ups did Aang have? Besides the obvious, having trouble letting go of Earthly connections (Katara). Air is the most spiritual element and Aang is one of the youngest to get his tattoos, implying Aang is a spiritual master.
@Red_Oak.
2 ай бұрын
I personally don't see how Raava's being fused with and passed to all Avatars would mean that its "inherent goodness" would also pass to the future Avatars. I haven't seen the episode in a while, but I don't remember Wan becoming more good or getting any new traits because of fusing with Raava (or at least you didn't show any on-screen). And like you said, we see Wan's journey where he becomes better as a person. I think the main takeaway from the second episode regarding the "inherent goodness" of the avatars and how the next one is picked is that it would be someone that would have similar qualities to Wan, which Aang would have exemplified whether or not he was chosen to be the Avatar, just at a smaller scale.
@kerroseir4764
2 ай бұрын
She's the spirit of all things good going into every avatar so by definition that is what they become It's like saying " why does superman have to be weak to kryptonite didn't krypton dissappear?"
@JamesHigh-ji8wf
2 ай бұрын
I think it's more about did any avatar after Wan have a choice in the matter? Which to me the answer is yes according to the show Raava influence is very weak even without Vaatu being around the world was never in balance. But it's still weird in a sense because like could any avatar after Wan be evil? If so what would Raava do? Can any avatar be corrupted? That's where it gets a little muddled on how much of what they do purely their choice and not Raava influence.
@kerroseir4764
2 ай бұрын
@@JamesHigh-ji8wf I feel like the more spiritual you are the closer you are to ravaa the whole point of the purple avatar state is to get a step closer to ravaa and hearing her
@jalapenoofjustice4682
2 ай бұрын
I am bothered by the idea that Wan should know which of the spirits is evil just from looking at them - it's only obvious to us because of tropes & cultural associations - but either way it was impulsive of him to intervene without understanding the situation
@TheLithp
2 ай бұрын
Oh my god, thank you. This Joss Whedon poisoned every character has to be self-aware of tropes & genre & make decisions like they know they're in a TV show really grinds on me after a while.
@marcojohn6658
2 ай бұрын
cant judge a book by its cover because in the real world white doesnt mean good, hell whites been the cause of many wars, destruction etc tbh i met alot of blacks that was friendlier and less judgmental than whites,
@WidelyPlayed
2 ай бұрын
I totally agree that knowing the story of the first avatar flattens some of the world. Especially since this was absolutely not canon in Airbender. When Aang looked at the line of past Avatars, it faded into the distance-- a testament to a world unknowably old and complex. This two-parter pulls the rug out from under that. I consider the world in anything outside of Airbender to be basically on the level of a fanfic-- it can be interesting and fun, but it's not the same world as the original, and the original should be considered independently from it.
@horse14t
2 ай бұрын
Considering Wan lived 10,000 years ago it makes sense that the past Avatars would fade into the distance. That would be a minimum of roughly 500 Avatar incarnations if not more depending on the lifespan of each Avatar.
@WidelyPlayed
2 ай бұрын
@@horse14t yeah, I get that, but the vibe of it being unknowably long ago is very different from the vibe of something that has a defined beginning. And they definitely had not worked out the whole 1st avatar thing at that point. There really was no starting point to the line as of Airbender, even if the show had zoomed along it.
@dethdaemon
2 ай бұрын
@@horse14t just a nitpick, minimum of 500 avatar incarnations means they live to an average maximum of 20 years old which is ridiculous
@maxtube1952
2 ай бұрын
@@dethdaemon In fact, this entire channel's community has talked about how people live fucking long times in this world. So, if you think about it enough, 10000 years isn't even that long. This season even managed to fuck that up.
@horse14t
2 ай бұрын
@@dethdaemon Unfortunately it was the only number I could find for how many generations there may be in 10,000 years. Which is why I said minimum and roughly.
@trevormm
2 ай бұрын
The screen shakes when you yell at (like at 10:19) are a nice touch
@Masterswordobjection
2 ай бұрын
I personally DESPISE the line "we are bonded forever". It felt like it undermined the ENTIRE epic moment. I think it was clearly implied and would have been so much better if he just stayed stone cold and went at Vaatu like he does after the line. It's the "show don't tell" aspect that gets thrown out the window by outright saying "this is what this means". I didn't have much problem with the Wan thing, but that really irked me when I saw it.
@Onaterdem
2 ай бұрын
The line is bad but the line reading is really good.
@Masterswordobjection
2 ай бұрын
@@Onaterdem I don't know. I just can't enjoy the line. If you can, more power to you, but it's just so jarring to me.
@WlatPziupp
2 ай бұрын
Same. It feels condescending and insecure. Like they assume I'm only half paying attention and don't blame me for it
@MissSarahDonut6
2 ай бұрын
These two episodes are genuinely the ONLY ones I remember liking in korra. Like I'm sure there was moments I enjoyed in actual korra but I found it baffling how after watching the entire series twice, once as a teen and once as an adult, I could not STAND korra, the lead protagonist, but Wan in only 2 episodes had me way more interested in his story and his personality.
@bstreet500
2 ай бұрын
I love that Overanalyzing Avatar sets premieres for his videos and has them come out on the same day. There is nothing more excruciating than a youtuber setting a premiere, and then finding out the video will actually be releasing the next day.
@LordZemosa
2 ай бұрын
Interesting to note that ancient airbenders might have had a more standard, nuclear family structure (implied mostly by this shot at 2:54) than the gender separated living system that we know them for. They may have even courted people from other cities/Lion Turtles, since OA points out the presence of clearly non-air nomads running around in their settlement. If it is true then it's double interesting to realize that the one air nomad who unintentionally brought this multi-millennium old tradition back, was probably Aang.
@almessasorrow4950
2 ай бұрын
If you read the yangchen novels, air nomads were practically just monks, the temples being split between females(who wear head coverings) and males(who don't) if they get along they get married but typically still live apart.it isn't no attachments, they aren't Jedi, it's no reliance on anything but nature and spirits, a Shinto outlook.the gender of the child decides where it goes, they decide from that point on what they become. No reliance on parents, they can ask for advice but not help. I feel like the problem is Korra doesn't follow a Shinto outlook like ATLA does, it switches to a Christan one. I actually enjoy that someone in the writing team knew it was meant to be a Shinto story like most ANIME not like most cartoons.
@invidatauro8922
Ай бұрын
I'm just gonna point out the non-benders running around is almost certainly an animation error, because they show up for that ONE scene, and never again. Hell, I'm pretty sure that same animation is reused later.
@ShinobiPXO
2 ай бұрын
In hindsight, Wan's decision to close the portals really makes no sense given his arc. He was a human who became friends with the spirits and then teamed up with one of them to save the world. Yet he thinks the right idea was to separate them. That would be like if Aang decided to seal the Fire Nation off from the rest of the world despite being good friends with the Fire Lord.
@kerroseir4764
2 ай бұрын
Because Vaatu is the reason the world is like this and so we have to reverse all of Vaatus doing But tbh I do agree they should've closed the portals the spirits were volatile and the humans were forced into bunkers essentially. Issue was that both worlds are essentially merged and so some spirits still remain and can go and come as they please meaning Vaatus work was never erased
@eugenio027
2 ай бұрын
Sealing was less to do with separating humans and spirits, it was to not allow humans to access Vaatu and free him.
@kerroseir4764
2 ай бұрын
@@eugenio027 then why did the spirits have to leave why not allow them to coexist Is a common refutation I've seen in the comments
@noorulhasan4904
2 ай бұрын
@@kerroseir4764the writers just wants korra to have some stories
@kerroseir4764
2 ай бұрын
@@noorulhasan4904 You say that as if korra doesn't force the spirit world to merge with the human world and then go on vacation rather than do her job and take responsibility for her actions I think its just bad writing if you're gonna go and say "spirit worlds bring separate is the correct choice" then doubling back and saying "vaatu had a point" only to fond out vaatu in fact did not have a point whatsoever Mind you this is the thought process of the writers and what they're essentially telling the fanbase
@NobleVagabond2552
2 ай бұрын
I always felt like Wan putting Raava in the teapot was somehow significant. In some way after this it made the act of making and drinking tea sacred in some way. And obviously we associate tea with Iroh in this fictional universe. So we view the idea of tea with significance already. Idk how to complete this thought tbh. I just love the possible implication that a mythical event of placing Raava in the teapot somehow shapes culture all the way down the line into Aang’s time
@zspider1778
2 ай бұрын
something that korra's fans conveniently forget is that vaatu straight up says he was the one who opened the spirity portals in the first place 13:24 all this bullcrap spirits living in the physical world was his doing implaying the portals were originaly closed, so in future episodes when korra choses to keep the portals open was in fact a wrong choice. it should not be necessary all the spirit vines and kuvira's spirit nuke to see that. you keep the portal open the avatar dont need to be no bridge no more
@TheLithp
2 ай бұрын
"something that korra's fans conveniently forget is that vaatu straight up says he was the one who opened the spirity portals in the first place 13:24" No one forgets that. Why do Korra haters just make up things to get mad about? "all this bullcrap spirits living in the physical world was his doing implaying the portals were originaly closed, so in future episodes when korra choses to keep the portals open was in fact a wrong choice." No, that is not a fact. This is the naturalistic fallacy. Just because something is natural doesn't mean it's morally mandatory that it be that way. Even if Vaatu had completely malicious reasons to create the first spirit portal, it wouldn't follow that this therefore makes it evil. Korra learned spirit purification from Unalaq, does that make it evil? Also, this from the fanbase that's constantly trying to make "good bloodbenders" a thing. "it should not be necessary all the spirit vines and kuvira's spirit nuke to see that. you keep the portal open the avatar dont need to be no bridge no more" Could you fuse with the spirit of proper grammar so I can have more than the vaguest idea of what you're trying to say? It sounds like you're saying "because bad things happened, it was bad to open the Spirit Portals. Of course, setting aside that Korra didn't know why the portals were closed when she opened the first one & thought it was a symptom of spiritual decay, this is a really ironic complaint to level in the comments of a video talking about how things aren't close enough to Taoist philosophy because a major example of that philosophy is the parable of the farmer who always asks "Who knows what's good or bad?" An abbreviated version is there's this farmer who finds a new horse to tame. His neighbor congratulates him for his good fortune, but the farmer responds "Who knows what's good or bad?" Later, the farmer's son falls off of the new horse, breaking his leg, & when his neighbor offers condolences, he responds, "Who knows what's good or bad?" Then a general comes to get conscripts for the army, but allows the son to stay because of his injury. Upon being congratulated for his good luck, the farmer again responds, "Who knows what's good or bad?" The point of the story is that actions & events have unpredictable consequences, so you can't say for sure if they're overall good or bad because you can't see the full picture. Again, I'm not expressing my opinion, I'm relating an element of the veryTaoist philosophy that every Korra hater claims they want the show to adhere to more. I can't even begin to guess what you're trying to complain about with the Avatar "dont need to be no bridge no more."
@njivwathomassilavwe2056
2 ай бұрын
Honestly just glad the amnesia plot was resolved instantly those piss me off
@alessandro348
2 ай бұрын
oh no bro, she forgets she broke up with Mako lmao
@tiablue9106
2 ай бұрын
True I just wish it wasn’t used as an excuse to drag the love triangle out. Bc it’s not like korra knew all this stuff abt raava and wan before so I don’t rly see why the amnesia was necessary besides “we need an excuse for korra not to remember her breakup” ig
@malikpierre-louis3343
2 ай бұрын
Not really actually we still have to deal with the Mako plotline remember .
@aefenry3065
2 ай бұрын
I really appreciate how I didn't pick up Wan was voiced by Steven Yeun until like 5 minutes into watching this and then you made the Negan joke lol
@benjulesrun9057
2 ай бұрын
THANK YOU for what you said about the philosophy stuff. I always thought having pure forces of good and evil was too simple for Avatar, especially compared to every other villain
@garrys248
2 ай бұрын
Vatu probably gave up time to time , and just Lived with Ravva. Imagine them just holding kite hands shopping at the spirit night market, perusing teas. Then they just can’t agree on a tea pot, and wrestle all over again.
@slaybutton1692
2 ай бұрын
Ok this is unironically a goated idea. Where is the fanfic? I need this now 😂
@CowCommando
2 ай бұрын
Considering what 'wrestling' is a euphemism for, this makes a lot of sense.
@garrys248
2 ай бұрын
@@CowCommando oh dear 😂
@gazelle_diamond9768
2 ай бұрын
Alright, as for why Vaatu thrived when him and Raava were split, here's my theory: "Since beginning less time, darkness thrives in the void, but always yields to purifying light." This is what the lion turtle said in ATLA, and it summarizes my idea pretty well. Evil doesn't need anything but the freedom to exist to thrive. That is how it has always been, bad things are easier than good things. Destroying a building is easier than building it. Killing a person can be done within a few seconds while creating a new person usually takes about 9 months. Darkness is the absence of light, it doesn't require its own source. Therefore, all the spirit of darkness would need to grow more powerful, would be the freedom of the light that had held him at bay before.
@sarasamaletdin4574
7 күн бұрын
To me darkness is just absence of light, and nothing if there is no light
@im_marian
2 ай бұрын
Now that you mention it, yeah, Raava looks scary.
@tiablue9106
2 ай бұрын
I always thought there was smth off-putting abt how emotive raava and vaatu’s voices are when they’re just giant faceless kites. Not rlly positively or negatively either just kinda weird, bc for all I know that’s what the directors were going for ig
@TheLithp
2 ай бұрын
I just think they look ridiculous.
@jay9874
2 ай бұрын
19:56 "We've been raising these herd of air bison since the Hundred Year War" "Oh, okay" hahahahahha. Very confusing part
@xFurashux
2 ай бұрын
I love that they made the origin story in a style of a legend. I think they should go more into that direction, keeping the mechanics vague but telling the story. Like every country has a legend of its origin but with a proper story.
@33link333
2 ай бұрын
I always liked the idea that the power of the avatar was in the end human, the knowladge of countless lives lived, all those myriad human experiances merging together in the avatar state, giving one human the skills, knowladge and experiance of many more. But this does away with that thought, now it just seems like any old magic power up, previous lives be damned.
@AtlasNovack
2 ай бұрын
Once we started overanalyzing Korra, I was waiting for this.
@interdimensionalcat
2 ай бұрын
"Contrived" is a great word for these episodes
@gentwhoisoverit6992
2 ай бұрын
One of my talents is pretending these episodes don't exist
@mranima748
2 ай бұрын
not much of a talent
@cradiculous
2 ай бұрын
I'm only just now realizing that Vaatu is basically the Walmart bargain bin version of Aku from Samurai Jack. The two fight in some rather similar ways, have similar body materials and movements, and are both unapologetically evil, but one is a featureless kite and the other is... Well, Aku. Do I really need to explain why Vaatu can't stack up to him?
@mystic-malevolence
2 ай бұрын
Is it because he isn't voiced by Mako? I bet it's because he isn't voiced by Mako.
@nagger8216
2 ай бұрын
@@mystic-malevolence No, Aku is also just well-written and a joy to watch no matter what he's doing. I don't think anyone's getting any laughs out of boring ass Vaatu, my guy.
@TheLithp
2 ай бұрын
A lot of the things people like about Aku are his more humorous moments, which don't make sense for Vaatu to have. I get preferring Aku because he has a more memorable personality, but it's not a fair comparison. And if you don't believe me, be honest with yourself, do you really think it would fit the world if Vaatu ordered a pizza or had a therapy session where he talked to half of himself transformed to look like Sigmund Freud?
@cradiculous
2 ай бұрын
@@TheLithp It wouldn't stop the showrunners from trying more comedic stuff with Vaatu even if he's terrible for it. They did make a spoof segment in a later season where all the villains got on a call together after all, including Vaatu.
@mystic-malevolence
2 ай бұрын
@@nagger8216 I don't know, that's not really mathematical. People like Aku, and people like Iroh, so the common factor seems clear. What are these "laughs" you speak of?
@vojislavS8652
2 ай бұрын
I can't wait for the kite season to end. It was a better idea to have the planet itself grant the first avatar all 4 Elements
@emperortgp2424
2 ай бұрын
Unfortunately this season has major ripple effects on the next seasons so you're never getting away from these garbage ideas lol
@clayongunzelle9555
2 ай бұрын
You brought up valid points that I myself thought about however what I like most is how Juan story ends, it encapsulates what a large part of the avatar is, cleaning up after the previous avatar. Bringing balance to the world is like exercise, the reward is more exercise and it's not a destination to be reached
@NYKevin100
2 ай бұрын
7:13 - Thank you for calling this out. They completely screwed it up and it always bothered me. But there is one other thing they also screwed up: Raava is obviously supposed to be yang and Vaatu is obviously supposed to be yin, in this bastardized good-vs-evil interpretation of yang and yin that the writers appear to be going for (yang is associated with light and "positivity" and yin with darkness and "negativity"). But they didn't even get the genders right. Yang is traditionally masculine and yin is traditionally feminine.
@reefmyers4015
2 ай бұрын
Honestly im excited for him to analyses korra season three because that's easily best season
@princessruto5590
2 ай бұрын
If I remember correctly Wan gets the Fire Element implanted to his body and the other three Raava gets and Wan gets to use them whenever they are merged. For me this feels like Fire is the one true (Avatar) Element and the four are not all in balance. My point is, Zhao was right when talking about fire being the superior element lol
@Vokunkiin
2 ай бұрын
My interpretation is that since Wan and Raava are merged they hold all elements together. I think your idea is pretty funny to think about though, made me laugh a little.
@NobleVagabond2552
2 ай бұрын
Lolol the Zhao speech coming full circle, good comment. I’d only like to add that fire is often associated with the human will, as well as the Greek idea of pneuma (look this up if your interested) and so it makes for this to be the first element associated with humans
@sidneypowelstock6812
2 ай бұрын
@@NobleVagabond2552I just looked that up on wikipedia, that's a very interesting connection. If you could recommend a better text on it I'd love to look more into it. Pneuma is the "breath of life" and seems to be associated with air as well. Air in atla seems to be very different philosophically from the concept of pneuma though because air in avatar is much more about freedom and spiritualism. Pneuma, even down to a chemical level, is more closely related to the element of fire. Just like in fire, we breathe in oxygen and use it in a very slow combustion reaction which allows our bodies to move. Iroh tells Zuko that firebending comes from the breath, not from the muscle. This furthers the connection between pneuma and firebending and implies that maybe something like earthbending is more linked to muscle and its power based on body mass as well as resolve. Pneuma and fire also share associations with desire, which taken to an extreme leads to someone like Ozai who will do anything to achieve his goal of world domination. This passion and desire to help others is also shown by the first avatar while he's stealing stuff. His desire is deepened when he obtains firebending and begins to use his passion to save the world from squid satan. (I don't like the biblical or black and white morality of these episodes and I think it takes away from the setting and struggle for balance of the whole series) I don't know exactly why I decided to write an essay in the comments but this is overanalyzing avatar so I think this is the right place lol
@theboard3476
2 ай бұрын
I do like that they tried to convey the message that being the avatar is bittersweet. They obviously do that in the main series, but it does explain how it is essentially a “cursed” role. Since it seems that there is a pattern that all Avatars fix the previous avatars mistakes and unintentionally cause problems for the next avatar to then fix themselves. It could be argued that Wan is forever cursed with the responsibility he has been given. All because of the actions of his “previous” life. Hence he’s always in a perpetual cycle of bringing balance to a world he unintentionally threw into chaos
@Bossu
2 ай бұрын
I could actually buy Lion Turtles being even more old than Rava or whatever, because the one that speaks to Aang talks about Energy-bending, something that was used before the time of the Avatar. Here, very close to before the time of the Avatar, people still very much used Elemenal-bending, no sign of Energy-bending in sight.
@adamcook9641
2 ай бұрын
I do love the ending, with Wan passing and hearing the baby and the start of the avatar cycle.
@Lovehandels
2 ай бұрын
Raava can't handle the post-nut celerity as well as Vaatu ...it's why she get so weak and uptight after they disengage from each other, tragic.
@justsomenerd826
2 ай бұрын
One of my favorite little details of the Proto-Avatar state that Wan enters is that when he speaks there is no echo/other voices like when Aang or Korra does. The voices that speak alongside Aang and Korra are the voices of the previous avatars and since there are none yet, there are no voices to speak alongside Wan. It’s a very minor detail but one that always makes me smile for some reason.
@ElBamfo
2 ай бұрын
The airbenders were scared of Wan initially because he came in guns blazing. Later he's just walking throuhg the city all chill and stuff.
@MomoPrior
2 ай бұрын
It's so vindicating to hear you perfectly encapsulate what's always felt off for me about this show in words
@DarthSears
2 ай бұрын
My logic for the Raava/Vaatu thing when I watched it... well. The Spirit of Light is a parasite constantly draining the Spirit of Darkness, both to sustain itself and to keep the darkness at bay. Without being attached, the Spirit of Light cannot sustain itself, while the Darkness is free to grow stronger, and stronger. That's how I saw it in the show; especially with how combative and hostile it was, and how happy and free the Spirit of Darkness acted afterward.
@violacola
2 ай бұрын
I read this comment, immediately thought "this person would probably be really into the Sith if they watched Star Wars", then looked up to see your name and pfp. So, I guess, props for being consistent. lol.
@DarthSears
2 ай бұрын
@@violacola lmao.
@Jrcoaca
2 ай бұрын
That take on how the light and dark spirits shouldn’t have personalities is 100% right
@FLOwerdful
3 ай бұрын
On the point about Raava taking away from Aang's inner strength, I always thought that Aang was supposed to be a reincarnation of Wan as a person, whereas Raava was only an unchanging eternal companion to each reincarnation of Wan. Raava's only effective influence before Korra was defining each of Wan's reincarnations as the Avatar, and granting them the ability to bend 4 elements. To me it felt like Raava was convinced to trust each reincarnation with that power and responsibility because of who Wan was. And Aang being who he was and became over the course of the original series was because he was the reincarnation of Wan, and the reincarnation of the qualities that Raava saw in Wan.
@TheLithp
2 ай бұрын
You get it.
@swer9112
2 ай бұрын
im gonna be so fucking sad when overanalyizing avatar catches up to the end of korra these are such comfort vids for me lol love your other overanalyzing vids too though, hope you keep going
@oingulonthethird1908
2 ай бұрын
20:44 this basically sums up how i feel about korra as a whole. When you watch it the first time, it seems great because a lot of the issues it has aren't immediately apparent, but when you rewatch and start to notice all the issues thanks to hindsight, you realize the show isnt as good as you thought it was compare to the first viewing
@2x477
2 ай бұрын
I absolutely love the art style of those episodes. Wish they would have created a series about this period with this art style.
@justadude117X
2 ай бұрын
The whole philosophy issue thing is the same problem Star Wars has.
@aemonithomas3157
2 ай бұрын
"I really hope vatuu doesn't have a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire" Lmao i wasn't expecting that reference out the blue.
@thelastbrickbender2139
2 ай бұрын
The “really big misses” for such a fundamental, newly inserted part of this universe is why I think I can never truly like these episodes, loved them as a kid, but now, understanding their flaws…man I just can’t, this is where Korra completely breaks for me, I would’ve been fine with a show that just wasn’t as good as atla in its story or even bad, but breaking the lore and world so thoroughly and absolutely on top of that, I just can’t
@yurkdawg
2 ай бұрын
I'm totally with you on both these episodes and Korra in general: on my first watch I remember LOVING them - I called all my friends and sat them all down and made sure they all watched with me hoping they would love them as much as me. But, like with the rest of the show, while my love of ATLA has only grown, I've started to dislike this more and more. I suppose as over the years I've thought about the world and themes that they actively destroyed (sometimes seemingly purposely) I changed my mind completely. It's weird, I've never ever done such a complete 180 change (especially positive to negative) on *anything* I've ever seen or read.
@daydreamer3921
2 ай бұрын
I think that the struggle to Control the Avatar state is due to the Power of all previous Avatars combining in your physical Body (as roku explained to aang in season 2 Episode 1) which causes immense Stress and when Wan first entered that state it was all raavas Power and it was in her Spiritual Form where that Power collected Wan was only a kind of Release valve for that Energy
@foolishsamurai9
2 ай бұрын
11:54 that was my favorite joke from this entire channel (and your stuff is always great)
@suvajeetdatta1220
2 ай бұрын
Raava to Avatar is what Midichlorians is to star wars Change my mind
@rubysauce
2 ай бұрын
nailed my thoughts on these episodes as well. Amazing visuals and on its own a good story, but the worldbuilding was such a big part of why I liked the world of avatar that it leaves a sour taste in my ... eyes, I guess, everytime I watch these episodes
@blaineb4145
2 ай бұрын
Western people don’t seems to understand that the black part of yin yang isn’t evil. Air bender was usually very culturally informed and it’s weird they miss basic stuff like that and write then write their whole series around this misconception
@cvilla1944
2 ай бұрын
Aaron Ehaz
@yanavav
2 ай бұрын
Well that's what happens when you inject a worldview that revolves around God vs. Satan into media. Monotheism condenses everything down to a black and white morality scale. So, not much nuance tends to occur, thereby diminishing any complexity to the characterization of Raava/Vaatu.
@lilscooter93
2 ай бұрын
that theme. it just feels so epic every time and they alway nail when to start it. right after "we are bonded forever"... when i heard that for the first time i like jumped up and cheered like i was watching sports. it just hits
@theorixlux
3 ай бұрын
Batu and raba look like tape worms. Much preferred how clones wars personified the force by going the anthropomorphic route while keeping a near biblical amount unknowing behind the Father, Daughter, and Son.
@creed8712
2 ай бұрын
It should be noted that while those characters certainly represent the force in some way they are not gods or personifications. They are merely very strong force users who have a high enough affinity with the living force that their actions can effect things outside their perception (like a ripple in water as oppose to actively being the pond itself)
@clownplayer7265
2 ай бұрын
Tape worms? Jesus Wan, go and seek a doctor, it's not good to have tape worms inside you.
@theorixlux
2 ай бұрын
@@creed8712 is that so? I haven't watched that episode in YEARS, but I remember some spiritual shenanigans with them. I grant you that they weren't direct personifications of THE force. But they weren't just mere mortals either. Any sense of their supposed identify before being father son daughter is , afaik, completely lost. There was a lot of reincarnation talk, a lot of Abraham I talk. If the force had a pantheon, these three would be Jupiter, Pluto, and Neptune.
@theorixlux
2 ай бұрын
@@clownplayer7265 :( but they uppies my midichlorine count
@creed8712
2 ай бұрын
@@theorixlux the exact nature of them is complicated and dependent on canon. Legends it was all but said they were members of a precursor race (think forerunners from halo) who shaped the galaxy with the force. The 3 (and Abeloth) are just the last remenants of that race and their power. As far as Disney is concerned I think they are supposed to be taken as a more mystical force but the only one who’s used anything regarding them since their appearance is Filoni. I know The Son is supposed to be a figure in Nightsister mythology and we see as much at the end of Ashoka. Ultimately I think the only reason I wouldn’t call them flat out gods is because they serve a more metaphorical purpose and are clearly flesh and blood as far as taking the experimce at face value. Alternatively the force we know can link people mentally and that was known long ago thanks to the Thrawn trilogy. Am interpretation that Ashoka, obi wan and Anakin had a shared force experience is equally as valid, but from the things we do know I can say they aren’t gods as far as interpretations
@enviro7673
2 ай бұрын
The baseball bat with barbed wire joke was gold
@TheOwneroftheIC
2 ай бұрын
Benders vs Aliens is redundant because Korra just turned Spirits into aliens.
@red_skies80
2 ай бұрын
Vaatu: You can’t defeat me! Wan: I just did.
@The1AMparty
3 ай бұрын
Season 2 of Korra *really* does a number on the lore of the story, and the themes behind the philosphy and stuff. It's a damn shame tbh
@foxi13x
3 ай бұрын
i only see Season 2 as a setup for Season 3
@wumbojet
2 ай бұрын
This exact episode is why both my brother and I haven't even finished season 2, let alone the korra series
@speltcaster3186
2 ай бұрын
Season 3 holds up to atla I'd say it's as good as season 2
@94nolo
2 ай бұрын
i dislike how goofy they made the avatar origin story. like there's no mystique or depth here at all.
@haydonali4169
2 ай бұрын
You have got to be one of the most intelligent and funny critics on the internet boss.
@メシャ
2 ай бұрын
it's kind of unbelievable that season 2 of Korra came from the same people that so tactfully wrote moral ambiguity, spirits and eastern philosophy in ATLA and even season 3 of Korra with Zaheer Raava and Vaatu really should've been the spirits of order and chaos, with both being necessary and the avatar possibly ending up as a conduit for both i personally enjoy the Beginnings episodes because Wan is awesome and the art style and a lot of the ideas are really cool, but also because they evoke in me the same wonder and grand mythological feeling The Silmarillion does, for example. i love learning more about the history of the world, but i get why it could detract from the mystique for others, and it's impossible to overlook their MANY glaring issues my defense for some points is that i think the lion-turtles granting humans the capability to bend the elements involves them more in the story than in ATLA where one just appears for convenience, and you can still have humans learn to bend from nature; and i really like that despite being the most powerful person of his time and swearing to bring balance and order to the world, in the end Wan dies old and wounded in the battlefield, unable to accomplish his goal. i think it's really poignant, especially paralelled with the world still currently in conflict in the show's universe if it's any consolation, this is Korra at its absolute worst. there's still plenty to enjoy in the previous and following seasons
@cvilla1944
2 ай бұрын
No aaron ehaz in korra
@nagger8216
2 ай бұрын
@@cvilla1944 Yuuup, you can *really* feel his absence in this show.
@SirMalorak
28 күн бұрын
I've had a couple REALLY shitty days IRL and I watched a few of your Korra videos (been here since like, ep 4 of ATLA overanalyzing) and that bit at 0:40 made me laugh out loud. Thanks, I REALLY needed that. If you ever think "man this is just a bunch of silly youtube content who cares", you at least brightened my day a lot with your humor and the analysis. Thank you a lot!
@amarstatovci2505
2 ай бұрын
The spirits colonizing a piece of land then playing victim is almost like a certian country in real life...
@Emma__O
2 ай бұрын
Even in the Avatarverse, that's the Fire nation
@Brain-washed2
2 ай бұрын
israel
@CloverKyng
2 ай бұрын
No we don’t need to go there 😂
@santawithaflamethrower2758
2 ай бұрын
Are you talking about the U.S.A. or some other nation? Because one of those is funny and the other is a conversation I do not want to have in the comments of Overanalizing Korra.
@berengustav7714
2 ай бұрын
Palestine playing the victim.
@WPNSTV
2 ай бұрын
"We've been raisiing this herd of Air Bison.".... "Oh. Ok...."
@stewandart
2 ай бұрын
What I assume is happening when rava is holding vatu is she's siphoning lower from him to spread her light and when they're disconnected vatu is conserving power so he can fight rava when it comes and the reason rava gets weaker is she is still spreading her light she just doesn't have vatu as a power source. But that's just an assumption.
@minerman60101
2 ай бұрын
A show assumption...
@debemdeboas
2 ай бұрын
this is one of my favorite arcs
@SnazzzyGecko
2 ай бұрын
19:06 " Are you the strongest because you're Satoru Gojo, or are you Satoru Gojo because you're the strongest".
@pianoforte611
2 ай бұрын
Fantastic video, agree that the spirits in ATLA were much more interesting. The Ocean spirit felt like a primal force of nature not just a dude.
@ryanreviews8566
2 ай бұрын
the REAL final verdict of these episodes is: "unnecessary and detrimental" just like the whole ATLOK series is. very fitting.
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