I remember the old days when you would get into a game be able to select any character any roll. In quick play you could for example go into attack on 66 you’d either win or lose, then you’d instantly be out onto the opposing side. No need for a 10 minute wait for a new game.
@garykuiler8820
2 жыл бұрын
but you can still do that in arcade called quickplay classic
@magmarxiogaming6717
2 жыл бұрын
@@garykuiler8820 here's the thing not as many people use it because it's labeled as the "arcade mode" if it were a separate mode like how it was in the beta it would be fine but with how much this game is built with 2/2/2 and 1/2/2 in mind it makes it a painful balancing act
@SherrifOfNottingham
2 жыл бұрын
@@magmarxiogaming6717 easier way to deal with meme comps is to lock in hero choices and remove hero swapping. If you have to commit to an entire game of the meme then people are less likely to do it, especially when they don't even know if the team they're going against knows how to counter it or not. It would also make characters more balanced, because hard counters couldn't exist if you can't swap heroes so the counters soften. I know people love the hero swapping, but it's RARELY used and when it is it's usually an admission of making a mistake in the first place, but it being removed naturally resolves most of the issues people have with the game.
@marcosatzinger2470
2 жыл бұрын
@@SherrifOfNottingham agree with the Hero swapping changes . But they really need to rebalance the heroes because there are Heroes that get hardcountered so much that they loose a lot of their value. And at the same time there are heroes that dont have many counters. It's just annoying when i play Symmetra and the enemy instantly swaps to Pharah
@SpeedKing..
2 жыл бұрын
@@SherrifOfNottingham overwatch was built on the fact you could swap heroes, according to the earliest development logs.
@driftdot
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like Overwatch 2 PvP is too little, too late. The beta was fun for about an hour or so, and then it just made me miss when OW 1 was constantly getting new, awesome stuff.
@gardenia1773
2 жыл бұрын
same
@abelsollewijn
2 жыл бұрын
OW2 will get like 4 new heroes and maps per year at least, more than OW1. So how is it too late when it gives you exactly what you’re missing
@DarkMahge
2 жыл бұрын
Well the beta was the beta, not the full pvp experience, just wait till it comes out
@Seiku
2 жыл бұрын
I was dreading returning to OW1 after the betas.
@aqueleRu
2 жыл бұрын
At this point "too little, too late" summarize blizzard it self
@WarnYT
2 жыл бұрын
You raise a lot of amazing points, two bangers back-to-back Nateson. After speaking with the Overwatch team - I can see that passion revitalized and there IS absolutely reason to be excited. Looking forward to seeing more from you as well!
@Fujiwaratofudeliveryman
2 жыл бұрын
Warn senpai :3
@Funz
2 жыл бұрын
hey warn it would be kind of silly and quirky if you broke NDA and sent me a DM including everything you learned from the devs haha hehe /j
@Bluemansonic
2 жыл бұрын
When did you talk with them?
@urielsgift7585
Жыл бұрын
Bro ur smoking that copium, overwatch is dead.
@Bluemansonic
Жыл бұрын
@@urielsgift7585 wait til Oct 4th before you judge
@dubbz
Жыл бұрын
This aged like milk.
@shadowfury200
Жыл бұрын
more like fine wine because nothing makes me happy seeing activ-blizz crumbling
@josgha2917
2 жыл бұрын
I think that it will be okay. Maybe not optimal, but it will be fun and playable. Overwatch is still playable right now. Sure there are less players, but matchmaking is not at its worst. Overwatch had a huge playerbase when the game was $40, and now OW2 is gonna be free. So itll attract new players easily. Retaining them is a different story. However, with 5v5, it will stretch the playerbase. Matchmaking will be shorter even if we have an identical playerbase, since you need to match 10 players instead of 12. I have HIGH hopes for Overwatch 2, but even my pessimistic view isn’t awful
@landosayk
2 жыл бұрын
what rank are you my friend ?
@botchyjewel-7284
2 жыл бұрын
@@landosayk why does his rank matter
@landosayk
2 жыл бұрын
@@botchyjewel-7284 just curious
@purplewine7362
2 жыл бұрын
@@landosayk what rank are YOU?
@simonbttger5630
Жыл бұрын
Ive actually thought about that last part, if 10 players gets matched over and over again in the mms, then there Will be more matches compared to 12 players getting made at the same time, but with 12 players u would have more players getting gathered at the same time, those 2 last players wouldve stil been in que if it was only 10 players getting matched Right? Or?
@atomicaftershow
2 жыл бұрын
I don't like the comp changes of SR, at least, I like to know when I'm gonna rank up or derank. Also I think having role queue and open queue is nice, I don't mind having different ranks for each role.
@saitama2467
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, I think IMO this seems to be a more of a casual player take on the whole role queue system, for me when role queue wasnt implemented around half the time games were ruined because id be the only one either solo support or solo tank and it was not fun, atleast in high elo (masters,gm) since id be vsing a more balanced team usually and they're at the same skill level so my team would just get decimated
@overdose7645
Жыл бұрын
@@saitama2467 but thats not entirely true...probably they should implement the role que only from 3.5 and above, so you get matched with specialists in their role, but beneath that, i'd let people have the chance to switch around and fill roles especially if playing solo
@madsiesss
2 жыл бұрын
i agree except with role queue tbh, it gave me so much anxiety every game that i could just get 5 dps mains who wouldnt switch etc, 2-2-2 just plays better unless its a coordinated team. If they add a team stack (which they should, blizzard.) it should be open queue as a stack will be more coordinated and allowed to have more creativity
@Cruxis_Angel
2 жыл бұрын
It’d be interesting for blizzard to experiment with bringing open queue back for quick play. Make it so if there’s too much of one role then that roles power gets diminished to encourage flexing. Too many DPS means lower damage for each, less hp for tanks, heals, etc.
@KURENANI
2 жыл бұрын
@@Cruxis_Angel thats stupid,whats the point with having a open queue if you get penelized for not playing 2-2-2
@CSR_OW2
2 жыл бұрын
@@Cruxis_Angel even though I see ur point I think that taking away power from the players is risky move. There is a reason that qp classic always exists in the arcade, why not let the players make their own choice regarding if they wanna play 2-2-2 or open que?
@iconicspot6787
2 жыл бұрын
open queue can exist if we get a pre-game lobby like in lol.
@AyaCedric
2 жыл бұрын
But let's face it. Majority of the people plays dps.. and if they are not having fun waiting for the queue, this game would go nowhere.. and also, look at the amount of dps choices in the hero pool compared to tank and supports.. almost 50% of characters are dps and statistically speaking, maining even a not so meta dps like mei would encourage you to queue under dps role.. so I really think they should go the lol treatment.. wherein supports are semi tanks and have higher hp pool.. and just make the game 1-3-1.. and just buff the tanks and supports to accommodate the extra 1 dps damage and lack of 1 support.. but again.. this is just my opinion..
@saitama2467
2 жыл бұрын
I wholeheartedly disagree with removing the limits on playing with friends in high elo, gms can only duo queue and I think this is right, before this was added thered be 6 stacks of gms highly coordinated vs 6 solo queue gms where half aren't in chat and the 6 stack would quite literally farm sr and boost their sr to be in the top 50 or even 10 and it was kind of just artificial, vsing these 6 stacks was insanely difficult when you have random other gms you don't know or play with often and don't have or know what synergies you have with them so it was just insanely hard to win, after it became duos only it became alot better to solo queue because you wouldn't vs insanely coordinated teams and its just more fair, lower elo than gm its a non issue except in masters where it sometimes can be a problem but its not as bad which is why its only like that for gm
@fettbub9289
2 жыл бұрын
i mean, doesnt that make stacking meta, wouldnt that mean it is more competitive to stack and form groups? Isnt it even easier with 5 now, since they dumped a tank spot?
@NebularNoel
2 жыл бұрын
@@fettbub9289 I agree, I feel like stacking and playing with friends SHOULD be the meta. Having a group of friends in the Top 10 should never be chastised. It should be encouraged so other groups of friends and clans can aspire to be that. In fact, bringing things like OWL to the main game where stacks and clans can fight against each other SHOULD be the OW2 experience.
@RemedieX
2 жыл бұрын
@@fettbub9289 Ranked is supposed to be hard and a test of skill in various areas, but not eSports level hard where you ALSO need to have a full team you constantly play with, grow together, and manage to log on at the same time whenever you want to play. It's extremely unrealistic to expect the game to make full teams meta when majority of its ranked players already don't full stack and most prob can't have a consistent team due to life getting in the way bc I'm sure at least more than 60% of ow players aren't pros, no-lifes, or streamers. Moreover, fully stacked teams against solos produces ridiculous disparities in favor of the stacked team to the point you don't even have to be as mechanically skilled at the game as the solos to win. So if you think having a team should overcompensate for lack of individual skill while giving giving you higher chances of victory, I disagree. That's not being good at the game at all. Just having the time to get on with others.
@saitama2467
2 жыл бұрын
@@RemedieX this, I agree with everything you said here and I feel the exact same way
@SolStryker
2 жыл бұрын
@@RemedieX Overwatch is a team game, and possibly THE best team shooter out there right now. Therefore, the meta should be playing well in a team, not playing well in spite of the team. Mechanical skill should not be used to compensate lack of teamwork. There are already a ton of shooters on the market where one operates in teams but success hinges mostly on individual skill. I agree that it is unreasonable to expect the player base to always have friends to queue with and mass appeal would take a hit if Overwatch demands that. But so be it, other games cater to solo players better. Let overwatch cater to people who like playing in teams.
@kempolar9768
2 жыл бұрын
"This is what blizzard is best at" Not sure if you've been watching Nateson, but blizzard has been stumbling and falling for a long time with both WoW and Diablo now. Just because they have some of those devs working on the PvE that really doesn't give me any hope.
@ShinimagisFTW
2 жыл бұрын
Nate I literally have a 6 stack that places total mayhem every time it's available. We enjoy that mode most and would probably never touch the game again if it's gone. There is a big chunk of the community who feels the same way. I hope they keep arcade and total mayhem in OW2.
@eddiethekid2849
2 жыл бұрын
Thats how I sort of feel about when Lunar Colony and Paris were removed but id still play for other maps and game modes tbh, 1 game mode can be great but im happy if i still have others
@illegalpizza7285
Жыл бұрын
I once stalled point for literally 10 minutes as winston in total mayhem once
@riffmania
Жыл бұрын
I only play total mayhem and stream doomfist
@riffmania
Жыл бұрын
Winston Moira sombra doomfist dva amazing in mayhem mode
@ShinimagisFTW
Жыл бұрын
@@riffmania doomfist was hard countered by Sombra.... But in the same breath so was everyone else besides Winston.
@aalesksi
2 жыл бұрын
for que times only problem is that there is 20 dps and few support and tanks, they need to stop making dps and the next 15 heroes should be supports and tanks.
@idancohen3744
2 жыл бұрын
As a dps main who also plays a lot of support, couldn't agree more
@xlbthedemigod5662
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the need to quit with the dps and just make more supports and tanks
@moa7510
2 жыл бұрын
Lucio ball needs to be a permanent game mode. Maybe include other characters as well to mix up experience.
@TeeBreak
Жыл бұрын
This but with Winston yeti vs mei
@natedilley118
2 жыл бұрын
We need a short cool storyline for each character. Maybe 3-4 missions. During which different characters come and help on each mission. Then more storylines released as time goes on. Also, a sense of progression should be achieved as you unlock upgrades for whatever characters storyline you are choosing which progress through each mission.
@TheFlamingoBird
Жыл бұрын
Like the battlefield 1 campaign but for the characters.
@snnowmann
2 жыл бұрын
you should be able to have an agree system to switch roles with teammates mid game, still should be able to queue into your preferred role though
@Luizfernando-dm2rf
2 жыл бұрын
Great idea :0
@Nope-sj7es
2 жыл бұрын
How would the sr gain on each role be split? Would it be divided based on the minutes played on each role? What if they did much much better on one role than the other? So many interesting ways to implement the feature
@ninjalawzo
2 жыл бұрын
Another way of having a toxic teammate spam the feature because "get off widow!"
@snnowmann
2 жыл бұрын
@@ninjalawzo just squelch them
@snnowmann
2 жыл бұрын
@@Nope-sj7es ya that's a puzzle that i have no idea how to solve lol. would be good for the one rank only thing though, just shows which role you play the most on your profile
@SamitoFPS
2 жыл бұрын
Another nateson banger and I haven't even watched it yet, welcome back to the OW grind
@brosephjames
2 жыл бұрын
I think the main reason people make alts is because it bypassed hundreds of hours of grinding to climb. Once blizzard thinks it knows your rank, it tries to keep you there, and it takes lots of grinding to rank up. A fresh account will instantly place higher. Even if it's inflating your rank that just means theres incentive to keep getting a fresh account. They need to find a balance between fresh placements, and old placements, so there's not a huge incentive to get a fresh account.
@elijahvazquez5176
2 жыл бұрын
I’m not so sure about the suggestion for ranked to have rank limitations removed. There has been too many times where multiple people I’ve known have lost matches based on what rank of person is in their game. For the most part, the ranking of certain individuals are based on their actual skill, but then again, the multiple rankings being consolidated into one would fix that problem.
@sniclops15
2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love D2 for their storytelling and in-depth lore. If OW2 manages to pull off a PvE campaign/repeatable mission similar to Destiny's events and seasons, that would be a dream come true for me.
@loonyfrinkelboom
2 жыл бұрын
I'm definitely hopeful for the future of Overwatch, and I love some of the ideas that you put out. However, I'm definitely not expecting ANY of that, at least definitely for the first year of the game/until the PVE comes out. I think this is mostly because first things first, they need to win back the community. I think they're already definitely on this track, seeing as currently Overwatch 2 is looking to be a more refined version of Overwatch 1. After they get that right and stabilize the community, then I think we'll get bigger features like the ones you mentioned. Edit: I do agree that we should absolutely see something new with the seasonal events, and as much as I and everyone else love meming playing Junkensteins Revenge for years, I actually really, REALLY want them to expand on the story for it. Not necessarily the same, just something MORE to it while expanding on the story they've already established
@pumpkinhead9541
2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if anyone else has said anything about this, but I really want the old Lucio ball back, without the new stupid maps and without the new ball fysics, I remember when you as a goalkeeper could just play badminton with the other goalkeeper. The summer was honestly the only time of year I played OW before the changes.
@zestybesty11
2 жыл бұрын
i don’t understand the desire to remove the role queue system since there has always been an open queue mode
@Cruxis_Angel
2 жыл бұрын
SR decay for diamond and above should return. Too many people especially in gm just hop on alt accounts after hitting a certain sr and don’t play for the rest of the season. Blizzard should be cracking down on stuff like that alongside the sms verification. They need to make it inconvenient to play on alts
@saitama2467
2 жыл бұрын
Sr decay made it so gms would queue into low diamond games and make it crazy unbalanced and they'd just go back to gm after they won enough games in lower elo, its better to not have gms queue in low elo games and just leave them where they are because they'll go back to that sr anyways
@MHU1youtube
2 жыл бұрын
So you want me to play gold level ball play in a diamond tank game?
@dumb7396
2 жыл бұрын
defo something I would do ngl
@fuwameanssoft
Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure if you remember, but there were a lot, and I mean a lot, of players that used to just play one match as quickly as possible, win or lose, just to stop the decay. If their focus is trying to improve the quality of matches, they won’t reimplement it
@slixiftbl2042
Жыл бұрын
Nateson is one of the only OG overwatch youtubers remaining anymore, and his passion for overwatch is incredible! Even at overwatch's darkest months, he still played the game and believed in it. I Respect you
@Dragonboy55564
Жыл бұрын
1. There are people that actually ONLY play Mystery Heroes. Like that's literally the only mode they play, with hundreds of hours. No comp, no QP. 2. Queuing in a stack with big skill disparities will inevitably hurt game balance. You can't have a GM queue with a gold player and expect a balanced game. It's impossible to balance, because either the lower player is a dead weight or the higher end player is hard carrying the game. It's simply impossible to balance that. If you are stacking like that, you just have to accept any team balance issues. 3. If we have to pick between a good experience for stack players or a good experience for solo players, you have to go with the population that's biggest. And that's solo players, hands down. Is it fair for solo players to have to play the competitive game mode and have complete dead weight due to stacking? No, it isn't. It will just drive players away.
@aaronhewer9379
2 жыл бұрын
As much as I agree with most of this some comments made like a level 150 for comp is crazy ppl will lose interest if they can't play the game correctly and comp is without a dought the most played game mode and I think pve will not be the saviour for the community as most ppl are drawn to overwatches pvp side and wide casting of heroes.
@aaronhewer9379
2 жыл бұрын
Also role que was a saviour f**k open que all it is is selfish dos players trying to skip long que tume and refusing to create a solid team comp.
@orls9068
2 жыл бұрын
@@sendhelplea thinking lvl 50 too
@SpeedKing..
2 жыл бұрын
125. People don't want noobs in thier games
@TrueEnderSoul
2 жыл бұрын
I played both betas and it was a breath of fresh air, having the more free pvp feel was enjoyable. Overwatch 1 double shield is annoying and having to typically camp in one area to defend or push through the same choke in overwatch 1
@raiu_fp5194
2 жыл бұрын
Glad to see another person like me ;)
@lucakoherr6003
Жыл бұрын
13:20 I would say bringing it back, could get us the problem of having at least 4 dps every game, at least thats my main experience with it, I like being able to play all roles in one game. But if I am always the one who has to play tank or support (which I do enjoy a lot) and never being able to play dps, since the other 4 already picked it, makes it a really numb experience
@vanessa211
2 жыл бұрын
I hated the old open queue. The game doesn’t intuitively push a team towards a viable combo of roles, just 6 random players who might decide to flex roles. The introduction of role lock made QP way, way more enjoyable for me than comp… optimistic that F2P will alleviate the longer queues. Maybe with the faster pace of OW2, it could be possible to remove role lock down the line once everyone has gotten used to the new pace.
@Bardock059
2 жыл бұрын
You got to thank the goat meta for those changes especially half the community that refused to be tanks/heals. Most likely that will never happen in OW2 even if people screech at OW devs for it
@vanessa211
2 жыл бұрын
@@Bardock059 100% true.
@jimmervision
Жыл бұрын
late to the party, but: "optimistic that F2P will alleviate the longer queues"....I don't think it will, since it will bring back a huge percentage of the population that quit because they where DPS players that got annoyed with the queue times and overpopulation of that specific archetype of hero. You can't convince the playerbase to play the game a certain way (prioritizing team composition over personal choice, style or preference.). the choice was made when role queue came around that enforcing that might make matches more balanced and fair at the expense of annoyed players that would eventually quit and balance it all out. Lo and behold, it worked, population tanked and queue times got a little bit better over time (there's a video of Timthetatman waiting 1 hour on DPS queue. those where the days.). Now I cannot see a true balance of hero picks between all classes with its current design implementation. Healers are boring for the majority of players, in any game (WOW had a similar problem). Either rework the role into dps-likes or something, or be forever stuck with a massive player population that is not interested in playing it.
@Jeikobu
Жыл бұрын
Honestly I loved the chaos of old Overwatch. The locks are what led me to end up quitting as things just got really boring to me.
@friloweye4262
Жыл бұрын
@@Bardock059 That's because most of the changes and new characters was dps, for a fairly short beta
@davidrich27
Жыл бұрын
"Faster queue times": Its a nice thought, but ultimately its a second-order issue. If you solve the player population problem, you solve the queue problem . (Note: This is for queue times in general, you can still have role queue time imbalance issues if not enough people want to play a specific role, which is what the priority pass is for.) The only way to solve the queue problem without an increased playerbase is to have lower quality matches (increase the SR differential, widen to geolocation aka increased ping).
@Funz
2 жыл бұрын
i disagree with a few of the points you made (mostly removing separate SR for each role) but you definitely do make a lot of great points. i really want this game to succeed too. i love overwatch and cant wait to 5 stack OW2 with the boys (5v5 works well for us cuz we could never get 6 on at once lmaoo). great video!!
@Secret0zv
Жыл бұрын
I feel like a couple elements from Paladins (and I think the PvE portion of this game, I haven't tried it) where you can customize your abilities to a degree would be amazing. Imagine Genji being able to switch a deflect to something that deflects beams as well and doubles damage back or something, but has a longer cooldown. Or a 4 second dash, but it can't be reset on kill. Just adding variety to the existing heroes gameplay would really spice things up.
@tomKATT92
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly another great Nateson video! I never understood why the comp queue was as low as lvl25. Maybe making it 100 or200 would put people off making smurfs.
@saitama2467
2 жыл бұрын
I have 5 alt accounts and the only reason I was able to make that many was because the comp lvl was only 25 which is about 20 hours of game time which is crazy low, it def should be lvl 150+ although 4 of the alts have passed that lvl aswell i wouldn't have bothered with more than 1 or 2 accounts if the lvl was that high
@MHU1youtube
2 жыл бұрын
Idk that I would want to spend 100+ hours playing qp, think of that as slaving away for 8 hours every day for a near 2 weeks just playing overwatch qp just to play comp. An objectively better gamemode due to the back and forth nature of both offense and defense that qp games aren’t gonna teach you because your not gonna get attack and defensive rounds in qp. Why do you think so many people complained about there not being a competitive style gamemode in the first ow beta?
@Lars-370
Жыл бұрын
People buying smurf accounts made Blizzard money
@garykuiler8820
2 жыл бұрын
role que and que times that goes with it is a hard one because the waiting times is stupid. But a few games of open que or classic quickplay wich is still around, reminds me of the old days why I hated it so much. Toxic throw switches, Stubborn dps picks hoping the other person cares more about the game to win and forcing to choose tank or heals but ending up doing that every game, weird skill level balancing where as one is great on tank but trash on support needing to buy alt accounts to counter this (won't be easy in ow2 because of the phone number verification). You mentioned that the game quality improved alot and that is what I'm noticing too but the drawback is the que times and personally I rather have role que than going back to those frustrating toxic times people seem to forget.
@Fujiwaratofudeliveryman
2 жыл бұрын
Don’t even know how open queue is going to work with tanks
@Fujiwaratofudeliveryman
2 жыл бұрын
I just wish for more flexible role queue like locking one tank while you can have three dmg and one healer or three healers and one dmg
@Maxler5795
Жыл бұрын
0:39 I mean to be fair TF2 is hitting all time highs in player numbers
@joaquimgianini1234
Жыл бұрын
I’d laugh my ass off if they added a “catch a cheater” feature in Overwatch and called it “Counter-Strike”
@CSR_OW2
2 жыл бұрын
I do agree on a lot of your points. loved the video, BUT the request to remove the role lock and similar features, yes I can understand that people who only play the game every once in a while can get annoyed from all the "restrictions". There are probably also people who still play the game every day who feel that way, but for me personally and every other long time player I have discussed this with are in agreement of the fact that the higher quality standard while playing with randoms (too be honest who still has 5 friends to play this game with) it is SO WORTH it sacrificing that tiny bit of extra freedom for that security that you don't have too que in too a match with 5 dps players. most people only play one role in fact most people only play a couple heroes too a high enough standard to play them in comp. and the argument of removing the role based just sounds kind of naïve since most players usually specialize in one role. the main thing that will result in is people eventually getting bored with there main role getting flamed for playing something they don't know how to play and that could lead to the player either dropping a bunch of sr or just getting a separate account and whola here we have the alt account problem again. but exept for thes major points I agree with most of your ambitious suggestions. keep up the good work!
@Nerfyguy6012
2 жыл бұрын
I agree on keeping role lock. But collaborating all roles into one rank will deter people from off rolling. People will still play the role they are best at, or they will become flex players. It’s already a problem where people throw off role games for passes or because they are bored. Have role lock, remove seperate ranks.
@Inali097
2 жыл бұрын
I’m an old player who originally championed role lock, but I want role lock and hero limits gone from QP. imo restrictions drain QP of life
@CSR_OW2
2 жыл бұрын
@@Inali097 in some ways I see what u mean, but we do already have the qp classic that is always a part of the arcade. isn't it better too let people decide them what system they wanna play in themselves?
@CSR_OW2
2 жыл бұрын
@@Nerfyguy6012 as much as I do see ur point and in large agree with it this will motivate more people to get alt accounts where they can off role without throwing.
@Inali097
2 жыл бұрын
@@CSR_OW2 I definitely thought so at first, but with the passage of time (and institution of custom matches) I’ve come to see the addition of “official” modes as unnecessarily splitting the player base, impacting queue times. Just my opinion, and I appreciate your perspective
@triplet5375
2 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more, I really hope they do fix the game, I miss seeing everyone so passionate about the game when it was new, everyone learning together, but I do not have high hopes.
@Arrow333
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, although I don't agree with everything. The role queue restrictions have evolved for a reason, and as someone who was pretty much locked into tank / support role, before these queues existed, this was the only way I have got to play as DPS. Without that opportunity I probably would have quit the game much earlier than I did. That said, I don't think that the role queue is perfect, but I also definitely will never touch open queue again. The problem with the roles though is more fundamental and baked into the basic game design. It would probably be better if there never were any roles to begin with (and the heroes not designed in such a way). This way you would get the flexibility in group composition you are talking about, because let's be honest: Even without role queues a group composition meta would emerge. You remember the times when there were three or even four tanks played? Similar thing with the restrictions on grouping up: This was introduced to fight a specific problem, and removing the restriction would simply reintroduce the problem. At least for ranked mode this has to stay. Quickplay as the "just for fun, nothing matters" mode doesn't need any restrictions in my opinion. But the biggest concern I have is the PVE mode. OW1 was basically left alone when they announced OW2 and sold it mainly with the PVE part, especially as the PVP changes were probably not even planned back then. Not having that at (pre-)launch is like early access to WoW without dungeons and raids, a FIFA game without a league or a Tetris games without the long blocks enabling clearing four lines at once. It is a mayor advertised feature many people are actually waiting for missing. And for me personally, especially given al the stuff that this company has messed up in recent years, I want to see prove that the game holds to what was promised (and ideally Bobby Kotick gone) before I spend a single cent on them again.
@Hysteriiavailable
Жыл бұрын
just watched whole video while waiting for the queue to load me in
@Zainax04
Жыл бұрын
Overwatch 2 is actually doing alright and the fact you have to actually grind and win 50 Games just to play comp is actually good.
@jamesdow211
2 жыл бұрын
I don't get why you'd tell blizzard to shill out and make an exploitative mobile game. Hard pass man, encouraging that kind of behaviour won't help blizzard
@SherrifOfNottingham
2 жыл бұрын
I was pretty sure this video was satire when I saw him say "best game ever made" but it seems like nobody is taking it as satire which is depressing.
@purplewine7362
2 жыл бұрын
@@SherrifOfNottingham "I am a doomer about everything which makes me feel smart'
@SherrifOfNottingham
Жыл бұрын
@@purplewine7362 what about my comment is "doomer" how about you try a real comment, something to work with. It's not the best game ever made, period, pretending otherwise is lunacy.
@atomicaftershow
2 жыл бұрын
I really want crossover skins for Overwatch. I think that would be dope. Like Fortnite has really cool crossovers and crossover items
@ishanshah4904
2 жыл бұрын
lol i've been thinking about that for years now, the possibilities would be endless
@SayShelo
Жыл бұрын
And today pve was cancelled
@gazoinked3546
Жыл бұрын
Speaking of content, this video is lacking in that department completely. This is an amalgamation of other videos/articles and does nothing but reach to other sources for "ideas" and pool them here, all the while forgetting to think of the future implications. I think the primary problem with people(and this video) is that we forget what Overwatch is about at its core. The expectation set upon Overwatch in this day and age already set it up for failure before it comes out and the way I see these videos is a lack of incentive for the community to aid the team in coming up with proper fixes. Now all I hear is immediate criticism of the games current standing but never any real feed back(given opportunity to do).
@shahabsoleimani9926
2 жыл бұрын
Blizzard needs to bring all their workers together to watch this video.
@CBRN-115
Жыл бұрын
Nope, too busy sexually harrassing the employees
@MicDubTV
2 жыл бұрын
Nate, I can't lie. I agree with just about EVERYTHING that you said in this video. I pray that the heads of OW see this & make sure that this game truly succeeds.
@CR0WYT
Жыл бұрын
"Role Queue sucks!" Open Queue: "Am I a joke to you?"
@ant6568
Жыл бұрын
I watched a streamer recently, who was asked what he thought about ow2. He said "it is still overwatch." That is haunting me. Because one of ow current problem is that toxic people will try and ruin your game. You can't patch that. I really want to enjoy ow2, but I'm afraid I'll get bored and tired of the gameplay and the people i get in a game with..
@grzegorzdomagala9929
2 жыл бұрын
As a "quickplay only" player i consider "free to play" aspect very risky. Years ago i played a lot o Tf2, i was there when Tf2 switched to "free to play" and observed the decline - it was harder, and harder to find game not infested by cheaters. It was still worth playing, cause after finding a good game you could play multiple maps with the same people. Then steam changed the formula to "match, rematch and all players go to common queue" - and Tf2 was not worth my time anymore. I switched to Overwatch precisely beacuse it wasn't free to play. I hope "free to play" version will still have effective means to remove cheaters - maybe the afformentioned phone verfication will help...
@brunoandrea4846
2 жыл бұрын
Ow1 is already infested with cheaters. But yea I do hope they add an working anti cheat
@amielbalagtas5857
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you tbh, the thing about phone verification is it's easy to just get a new sim card to get a phone number, it might not do much but maybe it'll decrease some? Idk like I can literally just get a new one 💀
@talalhalal8098
Жыл бұрын
Fast forward 8 months, PVE is cancelled , overwatch is done. gg
@fiveam8626
2 жыл бұрын
They might aswell add s*x in the game.
@overson7614
Жыл бұрын
Role Queue is good for the game. Maybe not so good for people who are the same rank for each role, but for someone like me who's high plat on support but low gold on dps, I want to be able to queue for dps without pulling down my team
@gamingwithmahirofficial2489
Жыл бұрын
17:05 dude people arent rich like u to pay to play bruh bad idea
@AnymMusic
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I feel like if they just called this "Overwatch: Revised" or so, or turn it into a big update, I think people would appreciate it better. Now, even with the time we've had to "stomach" that Overwatch 2 would be basically Overwatch 1.5 for a while, it still feels like this didn't warrant a whole new game
@allenboyea7792
2 жыл бұрын
I love role queue personally cause before it, almost every team I played on had 5 damage dealers. But ik a lot of people hate it so maybe they could make two different modes? It might mess up the times but I feel like it’s be worth a shot for alittle to see if it’s work
@friloweye4262
Жыл бұрын
They are already two mods
@kayleeemm194
2 жыл бұрын
You made so many amazing points that I really do hope that the team at Overwatch takes into consideration. And I’m glad that someone finally brought up role queue taking away some of the fun. Even if there is a mode where it’s open queue, usually people are not nearly as serious in that game mode, which also takes away the fun. This was a great video and I cannot wait to see more from you again in the future
@spacecowboy7193
2 жыл бұрын
Man, he’s got some good ideas here, but the thing about role queue, we tried open. It didn’t work. Rein would switch to Hanzo after one lost fight and ruin the game for everyone else. 4 DPS and a mercy every game sucked. This argument is old and bad. Role queue is necessary because of the behavior of the player base.
@Luizfernando-dm2rf
2 жыл бұрын
You can't just force people into "behaving" and expect them to just go with it. So it's either that or "no player wasteland". When a system screams that it doesn't trust it's users, it becomes annoying, if it's too disrupting, people just leave...
@spacecowboy7193
2 жыл бұрын
@@Luizfernando-dm2rf The system doesn’t trust its players because they were untrustworthy. Role queue was a necessary evil. The middle rank games were won and lost in spawn. It was awful. People complain about tank play now. Imagine how bad it was when you had 4 DPS and a mercy every game.
@arthurakopyan8218
Жыл бұрын
blizzard *DID have a history of making great PVE games, however it is no longer the old blizzard... it is now Activation into EA games so prepare for over watch 2, 3, 4, 5 , 6 just like COD and madden.
@snipesi1261
2 жыл бұрын
The best thing im looking foward too is just getting updates again. Its been like three years since we got a new character or something like that so it's gonna be nice to get updates whether or not their good or bad.
@generalowen4344
Жыл бұрын
Having Destiny 2 as the example is too perfect. Sony took Bungie under them for a reason and that’s Bungie’s mastery of creating a live service game. No matter how many downs the game gets you always see it rise up again and gain MASSIVE player numbers. That’s the power of the OG Halo creators.
@remcoheijnen8427
2 жыл бұрын
I think the Main Reason Overwatch 2 will die, is because of the fact they removed the second tank. They could have easily implemented all these Changes they added for the Tanks while keeping the second tank. The game lacks it so hard right now...
@feuerfaustace1able
Жыл бұрын
"I don´t think people queue much for total mayhem." - had me dying. ^^ That´s the only mode me and my squad will log in for, because you don´t have roll rerstrictions AND every hero is basically on steroids. Pretty fun mode with the potential to get 30 + minutes rounds that feel like you have won (or lost) an overwatch major ( does OW have majors?)
@jamesbland5207
Жыл бұрын
5:30 what you described is exactly what is in Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare 2 and Battle for Neighborville. You go a little homebase/public PvP area right when you log in.
@Jonathan-cv6lc
2 жыл бұрын
They have so many issue that if addressed could really put this game on top. Increasing the level from lvl 25 for comp is one example and would be huge imo
@revan5293
2 жыл бұрын
I would like to see raids in pve I think it would be a cool idea
@generalowen4344
Жыл бұрын
Are we not gonna talk about how 5v5 balancing completely destroys Deathmatch? Now tanks are super buffed because you’re supposed to have one tank in a team compared to dps and healers. So Tanks by default are extra powerful which makes Deathmatch absolute unfair for dps and healers.
@leediaz5690
2 жыл бұрын
The only thing I dont want in OW is DPS skill is the key point in winning or losing the game. Even your team have great tank and support players but the enemy got the much better DPS player the game will be in the enemy's favor.
@timosaurus2542
Жыл бұрын
We need loot boxes!!!
@IdkMypast
Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@Chudpope
Жыл бұрын
Aaaand PvE's gone.
@EtherealBroly
Жыл бұрын
“Raise the lvl cap to 100-150” DO YOU REALIZE HOW MANY HOURS THAT IS JUST TO PLAY COMP😭
@shanechavarria9532
2 жыл бұрын
Only 2 new hero’s bruh nah
@gardenia1773
2 жыл бұрын
right?!?!? shit pisses me off. its 3 but we already tried two of them like that issofucking annoying. allthese years of nothing for one hero we've known abt for years and only two others ?? idk. expected way more.
@shanechavarria9532
2 жыл бұрын
@@gardenia1773 I’m not hyped I’ll say that
@thurtik5251
2 жыл бұрын
I would love if the hero customization they've showcased for the PvE was in PvP as well. Sure, it would probably be difficult to balance out but even if it was implemented in a toned-down form, it would just bring so much more variety to the game
@jokergoat6405
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact, an incredibly forgotten Blizzard game called Heroes of the Storm gets faster queue times than Overwatch, and I'm not saying 3-4 minutes, I talking 30s ~ 1m30s no joke (those are league of legends queue times [most popular game in the world]). no bots. real players with ranks. its insane to me but yeah Overwatch needs to figure something out at least for QP.
@RichEDMixed
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad that with quick play there is an option for open que so I can do that. I'm curious if it's the more chosen option?
@kobimitchell7807
Жыл бұрын
This guy had a few good takes but most of these takes were ass, paying for comp? Really?
@playstation1homeentertainm981
Жыл бұрын
Tf2 fans laughing at ow2 die in a year
@deadhelix
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like with how they shifted the tank role, role queue is going to be permanent if just to queue as Tank and Other, theres always gonna be the divide of tank characters because they’re all being made stronger to emphasize that they are one big unit
@the_don4671
Жыл бұрын
"It NeEdS a BR"
@tatuvarvemaa5314
2 жыл бұрын
Im personally hyped for overwatch 2. I really hope we get same level of quality and fun as the old days. I have some other things to say as well: 1. I LOVE the role q, and I DESPISE open q. The biggest issue in overwatch has always been team mates, the classic reason for pure anger. The problem is that supports arent well designed and fun (appart from lucio and zen, who are actually well designed in terms of a support. You dont have to keep heal botting but can also make some insane plays). 2. I dont want overwatch to be like fortnite or a different game. But thats just me. 3. They need to just get their priorities straight and focuse on providing the things that brought people to overwatch. The lore, the game play and the characters. They need to bravely add more supports and tanks, focused on the aspect of being fun and not just a meta character.
@Fujiwaratofudeliveryman
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like theyre moving away from supports healbotting because the game is going to a 5v5 now missing a tank and towards supports supporting in other ways
@Fujiwaratofudeliveryman
2 жыл бұрын
In the 5v5 we need less main healers and more guys like bap and others who can actually deal good damage
@AbbyOW2
2 жыл бұрын
Every single point made has been spot on, I also just want OW to succeed and be the best game possible, the potential has always been there and blizzard just has to let that bird soar into the skies. Here's to hoping for the best come OCT4th.
@Cruxis_Angel
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah role queue kinda defeats the purpose of quick play being quick. Queues shouldn’t be longer than matches. Hot take but role queue should be for competitive only
@CSR_OW2
2 жыл бұрын
@@Cruxis_Angel fun fact the gamemode u r looking for already exists
@jokingback3000
2 жыл бұрын
@@CSR_OW2 yeah yeah, we know that the arcade mode not many people wanna play exists, we get it...
@toxiczombiewolf5692
2 жыл бұрын
@@CSR_OW2 yeah but you don't get coins for that and still open cue I sometimes have to wait 10 mins for some games or longer
@ninthfriend3347
2 жыл бұрын
After playing some Destiny 2, I got so hooked into the PvE side of the game. Gunplay, class play, etc. all were such an experience as someone who just touched this game for first time during the free expansions week. Just did my first ever raid with King's Fall too and my my it was an awesome experience. Soooo good and intense. If I want to play some Overwatch 2 PvE, it needs to really really deliver. It needs to convince me to play it over Destiny 2. But given how little we know from PvE and being delayed until next year has me really concerned. Otherwise I'll play Overwatch 2 PvP mainly and Destiny 2 PvE mainly.
@Raaanch
2 жыл бұрын
I look forward to watching Overwatch 2 from Nateson. Been too long. Thanks for another video dude!
@Frostile
2 жыл бұрын
Overwatch when it first came out: no pvp, massive player base, people loved the game. Everyone is going on about this pve aspect of Overwatch that was added in a timed event and I just don't get it. All these resources instead of doing what they did with the pvp ie reworks and everything they could gave added more support and tank heroes but no, Overwatch the pvp game with millions of players on release is half focusing on a pve experience when so many other games offer this experience already, better. What a joke, as if pve made Overwatch what it was back in its hayday. Edit: "Give people a reason to come back and keep playing" fantastic turn the game into a live service with daily login bonuses, how can you do a history of overwatch and forget all these years overwatch retained its player base without this? Why make a good game when you can make another live service pve grind in overwatch no less. Someone please, I don't get it, what has happened to this community? Edit 2: You want this game to be like destiny?..... with a hub? I don't get it. This is insanity it's not even f****** overwatch anymore you literally just want another live service grind with overwatch characters....? How, how can you play this game since release and get this idea from a pvp quick match and ranked match game. Utter insanity.
@Luizfernando-dm2rf
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, people seem to put their hope for the game on a re-brand to another genre. I like to play overwatch, the competitive-shooter-character-driven game, period. I don't think a PvE mode would "save Overwatch", at most it will suck the rest of the playerbase to another game with the same characters...
@abelsollewijn
2 жыл бұрын
Just sounds like you’re awfully mad they’re not just catering to your exact wants… a lot of people love the OW lore and pve stuff and we will be enjoying it, while you’re coping with the fact that other things than non stop pvp can be fun
@Frostile
2 жыл бұрын
@@abelsollewijn not really I can just play other games, the fact is overwatch didn't have millions of players with pve and the pve events did not bring back the player base when they came out. So considering all the other comments are about pvp and no one is playing the game, with streamers even shown in this guys own history video leaving due to pvp issues not because there wasn't any pve content.
@Frostile
2 жыл бұрын
@@Luizfernando-dm2rf totally agree
@abelsollewijn
2 жыл бұрын
@@Frostile the OW PvE events were insanely small, you can not unironically think that because short yearly temporary pve missions didn’t bring in millions of players an entire story campaign gamemode with all kinds of levelling and grinding and years of development behind it wil fail. Because that would be very naive… Also “I can just play other games” that’s exactly the point, the pve/grinding audience plays other games right now. If OW can captivate that audience with a good PvE mode that will only be healthy for the game, especially in combination with f2p which will draw in even more people to OW. The future is bright, sitting in a dark corner and moping won’t change that :)
@maxleid8451
Жыл бұрын
I don't have a problem with the waiting time for the roles. It is for now only 2-5 minutes, so I guess it's fine for now.
@WhosDnisify
Жыл бұрын
Role Queue protects me from people going all DPS. Flex Queue is a nightmare. It somehow worked before Role Queue existed but now it's horrible.
@Raven-lg7td
Жыл бұрын
lol that graph made in Paint on the thumbnail )
@ziggytheassassin5835
2 жыл бұрын
That intro was like a ww2 week by week intro lol.
@kritztalkreviews1437
Жыл бұрын
I think a good compromise to make for role queue would be a change to the matchmaker. So it works like this: Role queue is removed, meaning the restriction isn't there any more. However, in order to create more balanced games, the matchmaker system should always try to match a team of six people, with two of each players having the most hours on either Damage, Support or Tank heroes. So for example, let's say you get queued into a match, and you're a Damage player with the most hours on Genji, the matchmaker should then try to match you into a server that has another player that is also a Damage player like you, two other players that have the most hours on Tank, and two final players that have the most hours on Support heroes. I think this could work as a pretty good compromise between the role queue supporters and the role queue opposers.
@RBL_Rowdy
Жыл бұрын
I agree with the majority of the points the only one i disagree with is you saying to be level 100-150 because i prefer playing ranked modes and I find casual very boring so having to grind a lot more casual then I want to does not feel fun and drives me and others like me away from the game
@eifelo868
2 жыл бұрын
As a player with thousands of hours put into this game over the past 4.5+ years, being on different teams as well as grinding arcade and custom games with friends, and can cry from just hearing the theme, I've been devestated at most things I've seen regarding Overwatch 2. This video, however, does give me some hope. Yes, I do have around 7 accounts and never play on my "main", not even in scrims. The defining number of a rank, combined with the russain roulette games I get seeing the number decreese by the thousands break my joy for the game big time. One game I have people throwing and being toxic while the enemy has smurfs, the next it's the other way around and I feel useless one way or another, many ranks below my peak years ago even if I'm 20x times the player I used to be. Playing scrims with an unranked account, or q'ing with friends in comp on an account I don't care too much about, are the only ways to enjoy the game for me. That said tho, I got bored of the game after my first two weeks. What kept me going and sparked the love for this game came from the pursuit to rank up and improve as a player, to then be able to play against the top players. I Have no idea how many hours I've spent on each map, how many rounds, kills, minutes in spectated from spawn and so on, but what keeps me going is VOD reveiews and sessions that make me understand the game more. I keep going because I still am far from what I've wanted to achieve for the past 4.5 years and I'm still working towards that. No, I do not want to pay for competitive. I love a lot of what you said Nateson, but this one I do not agree on. And no, I'm not a fan of battle pass in general. I've paid for this game more times than I should for the ability to enjoy it, and in general prefer one time purchase games. Wether it's good or bad, it's like buying tickets for a movie and you don't know if it was any good until you're there. But then you got it, and can spend the time you want into it. I still love playing Skyrim, even if it's 11 years old, I come back to it. For me to have already paid so much for it, then not being able to play on the other accounts, and then also having to pay for battle pass does not sit well with me. Last thing about role q: I sort of agree with you here. On one hand it's nice with some structure in the games with our current 2-2-2, and the ability to play open as well. However, last season before role q launched I had the best win streak of my career in solo q, filling in every single game and being able to use my game sense to have an impact. Today I either got tanks that shot call and create space, or they're not sure what the difference between W and LSHIFT is, and so on. The skill gaps between the games is insane. I don't mind being against smurfs myself, but knowing my team isn't prepared is what bothers me about the situation. Overwall, I've already spent too much energy and tears on Overwatch 2, and will give it a shot because I'm on an amazing team. At this point I know the timings in my bone marrow and play based on my gut feeling. The new game throws all that out the window, and it seems my favorite characters are pretty much useless. So I'm also gonna mourn the game I fell in love with years ago, and I'm not ready for October 4th at all.
The playing with friend sin comp REALLY bothers me! Me and my bf were doing our placements and he played soldier because we wanted to get our damage placements over with without too much trouble. He ended up getting an accidental teamkill and from that moment on we couldn't play together AT ALL. On NO placement! No support, no tank. NOTHING. I can't play alone because I'm scared and this just ruins it for us both.
@reyjustine7116
2 жыл бұрын
please keep role queue. I don't want to go back to having to play a game with 4 dps 1 support and no tanks. people seem to forget that everyone was complaining about this before role lock was introduced.
@SherrifOfNottingham
2 жыл бұрын
Better solution was and always will be, lock in hero choices. People are far less likely to lock in 4 DPS 1 Support and 0 tanks if they have to actually live with that comp, especially because as the one person that was playing support, I mostly heard that kind of complaint coming from the DPS players.
@SherrifOfNottingham
Жыл бұрын
@Hi there and how is that any different from a guy that picks a hitscan but can't hit the Pharah to save his life but refuses to swap off? Cause the hypothetical you're throwing at us happens all the time when people can freely swap, what happens when you lock everybody in to what they're doing is forcing people to actually commit which leads to fewer people making those "mistakes" in the first place. As I've said many times before, I have a positive KD with Symmetra against Pharah, and I've had games where I've been the one that's killed the Pharah as Symmetra more consistently than a Soldier 76. But that also ignores the fact that if hitscan is such a necessity to deal with Pharah, then there's just an overall balance issue. If not simply a skill issue. Not being able to lead shots on a character that has relatively little control of her in air movement is kinda laughable.
@kapttain
Жыл бұрын
Level 150-200 for comp is ridiculous
@crossdaboss8914
2 жыл бұрын
Overwatch had a custom game of Mario kart complete with items
@DaddyMaster76
Жыл бұрын
If they would remove the fucking sms requirement which took 4 days of my life and still does not work then i will be happy forever
@ofirrr4114
Жыл бұрын
17:35 ma man wants to lower the queue time and then suggesting this
@valdericecosta3636
Жыл бұрын
I honestly disagree with the statement of removing role queue, however I do need to say that I have not played the game before role queue was a thing, so I don't have that perspective. But i'm also a pure quickplay player (have not touched competitive for a single second) and, from that perspective, imagining a quickplay experience with no role queue just sounds terrible and way too chaotic and uncoordinated, and while chaos itself can definitely be fun at times, I still prefer a middle ground to have some sort of coordination without having to go to competitive for that, and that middle ground would be role queue.
@BattlerClerk
2 жыл бұрын
No matter how much anyone agrees or disagrees with what’s best for the game, the fact that so many people want to see this game succeed and have ideas on doing so proves that Overwatch 2 still has a chance.
@Oldladywithastick
2 жыл бұрын
They want to see the game succeed? 60% of the people I know and also 70% on KZitem predict it to die in 6 weeks
@Oliver.Pfahl.
Жыл бұрын
Well let's just say they did not 'think big' over at Activision Blizzards braniac investment department.
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