EDIT (9/12/24): Thank you to all who have let me know about Nondi’s most recent livestream and livestream thumbnail. I have not watched the full VOD, but I have seen the thumbnail and… obviously, I am not okay with it. Not in the slightest. That being said, it’s very clear to me that she’s having a mental health episode of some sort. I’m hoping after that livestream she’ll take some time off the internet and not entertain this controversy anymore. I’m disappointed with her actions, with her portrayal of me, and with how she’s handled everything, but at the end of the day I want her to be mentally well, and I feel bad that I contributed anything to the deterioration of her mental state. I still stand by everything I said in this video. I still think she’s wrong for misgendering the larger creator (and continuing to justify it). But I think this will be the last thing I’ll say regarding this video and OwONekko. If anything else happens, I’m not gonna address it (unless I feel like I REALLY need to). Again, don’t go and harass Nondi. Don’t be nasty to anyone. Take care of your mental health too. . . . . . . . . A few more notes here! I changed the title of this video from “How to Lose an Audience’s Trust - OwONekko’s AI Art Stance and How it Harms Artists” to “OwONekko’s Generative AI Stance and How it Harms Artists” because I felt like that was a more concise and less offensive way to market the video. I also want to say I do NOT think Nondi is a bad person for using and liking AI for the reasons she does, I just disagree with her reasons, and I should have been more clear about that. She’s entitled to her opinion about AI as much as I am entitled to mine. I may go here or on my insta to say a few more things regarding this situation if anything else happens, but I’m not going to make any more video content because I don’t want to egg on the people that have been relentlessly harassing Nondi because of my video. Genuinely, I feel awful about that. If you have anything to say about this discourse, keep it on MY video and off of her twitter/ KZitem page. She’s seen all the arguments, criticism, and nasty shit that’s out there. I may have criticized her for blocking certain users in my video, but at this point I think that course of action is 100% justified. If I had known this video was going to be shown to over 200,000 people in less than 48 hours, I would have been a lot more clear and less reactive with how I expressed things in this video. I’ve never had a video perform like this one did.. like, genuinely, I thought this would be watched by the people already in this discourse and MAYBE just a few others. It was not my intention to bring so many new eyes to her channel, especially in this light, but that’s what happened. As for the transphobia claims, she says it was an accident and will not repeat this mistake going forward. She hasn’t apologized for misgendering the creator, which I absolutely disagree with, but she’s made it clear she doesn’t stand by what she originally did. (that being said, I am not trans or queer, so whether or not you want to support her for this going forward is completely up to you. Just don’t go and be a bother to her.)(edit: she has continued to justify her misgendering the larger creator so idek anymore) I’ll edit this comment if I have anything else to add, but for now that’s all I have to say.
@mushyhorizons7005
5 күн бұрын
If you read the comment replied she did in the community post, she instantly just lie and went back on everything. She hasn't changed a bit, which is very disappointing
@FXXTRN
5 күн бұрын
Check out her community post 🥹 I'm really hoping is satire but omg
@velvettehayes9434
5 күн бұрын
JOUUSTA LOOK AT OWONEKKOS NEW COMMUNITY POST NOW SHES BASICALLY ACCUSING U OF BEING RACIST ON THE THUMBNAIL
@duckelations4017
5 күн бұрын
Look at her community post she's nuking her channel lol
@lotusdragonjbh
5 күн бұрын
You are fine, you are ok. I get where you are coming from in this statement and I apreciate the self reflection. But one thing to be mindful of is - Gen ai is a hot topic right now. - anything negative will often skyrocket in views. Even still, you meant well. I was there when it all started and and have been following it her for a while. (I unwatched after the ai video doubling down because I don't support people who use it on PRINCIPLE.)I still agree with your statements. Even if you got sassy here and there: - you weren't rude. - you stated how you respected her stance. - you simply debunked a fair amount of what she said. She was dead wrong on a lot of this and the transphobia was inexcusable because she doubled down on it and continued it. Even after being continually corrected. Don't take this to heart and I look forward to your artwork. Sorry things are going a little wild rn.
@ActuallyRea
7 күн бұрын
Couldn’t have said it better myself!
@AllergyAngelXOXO
7 күн бұрын
W
@nahidtom9633
7 күн бұрын
AHHH hi rea im a huge fan!
@talkabouteyec4ndy
7 күн бұрын
haiii rea ^0^
@Cl0udyang3ls
7 күн бұрын
Fr
@alegendsock2581
7 күн бұрын
hello
@EduardoMartinez-rs3bu
7 күн бұрын
AI art is NOT art Art is meant to be an outlet for creativity and feelings. AI has no feelings, AI does not create, it recreates. And AI should never be considered as an alternative to replace artists
@wvn9957
7 күн бұрын
its not art but its useful I slowly watch as the time moves and the current generation became more conservative haha.
@cupcakkefather
7 күн бұрын
@@wvn9957 it can be useful, but it would definitely help if the artists they were stealing from consented and were compensated. also if it were more regulated. wanting some form of restriction over ai 'art' dosent make you conservative
@rathyioe
7 күн бұрын
AI "art" is essentially just an AI generated image, just like how a generated realistic landscape isn't "AI photography". art1 noun 1. the expression or application of *human* creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
@ErenOzsoy-mm7lp
7 күн бұрын
Ai art is art , art doesn’t need feelings because art is creating something but your right ai doesn’t create real creator is the person behind the screen who imagines the concept and types the words
@Kouvierl_Elliyse
7 күн бұрын
AI would be useful. If they werent promoted to any type of art form 🙄 corporation saw it as "easy way out" and "cash grab" that's why artist hate AI usage not AI itself
@goose56
4 күн бұрын
Her thumbnail in her latest stream is so immature and the views to likes ratio is INSANE 😭
@NotCinnaRock
4 күн бұрын
FR the comments are double of the amount of likes ☠️🙏🏽absolutely outrageous
@allien.777
4 күн бұрын
i've got an extension that shows dislikes, 380 likes to 2.3k dislikes as of rn LMAOOO
@goose56
4 күн бұрын
@@allien.777 I checked it on a dislike website it’s honestly so funny
@sgujuhgftyyuyy
3 күн бұрын
It is INSANE
@monimoka2
2 күн бұрын
its crazy how this adult women responds to criticism by making fun of people that are just trying to point out some things wrong with nondi's opinion
@AbysmalRae
5 күн бұрын
Discourse aside, I find it nice how you added a level of humanity in the thumbnail art. It’s a reference, something ai wouldn’t be able to replace.
@allien.777
5 күн бұрын
its also not a really weird thumbnail that demeans or makes someone out to look like a racist! people could learn from this...
@SUNNSTONE6603
Күн бұрын
@@allien.777certain….neko people…
@musical_costumer7976
20 сағат бұрын
@SUNNSTONE6603 definitely specific neko ppl
@cheddyju9431
7 күн бұрын
"Stealing is bad but AI is okay" is like saying stealing is bad unless the robot I made does it in my place... wdym 😭😭
@keithflippers4429
7 күн бұрын
Buy I mean you can use AI without stealing (Getting inspiration)
@wheelsndealz
7 күн бұрын
@@keithflippers4429what do you mean? If you mean, ai companies could possibly use a model that didn't steal and therefore using it wouldn't be stealing sure. But if using a company that steals you are essentially the accomplice. You're receiving stolen goods. Even if you use those stolen goods to make something else out of them.
@father270
7 күн бұрын
@@keithflippers4429 this take is dumb asf when someone says they use AI to get ideas i roll my eyes
@micotine8714
7 күн бұрын
@@father270right like bro pinterest is free and so are other resources 😭
@bamb3928
7 күн бұрын
@@keithflippers4429 If the Ai is not created ethically, it cannot produce anything ethically. It doesn’t matter how you use it, you are encouraging Ai and are essentially saying you’re okay with art theft.
@bananaanimations2003
7 күн бұрын
First it was the Applejack slander... Lesson learned; Applejack haters are people haters, so much for being authentic when she's literally the element of honesty
@derpposen5418
7 күн бұрын
Her Applejack slander bothered me to no end lmao,, like she didn’t do shit to you girl stop being aggressive damn😭😭
@LadyMajolish
7 күн бұрын
Hating on applejack is now a red flag to me, like nobody slanders on my little cowgirl pony 😭🙏
@MarielWhalley
7 күн бұрын
This comment 😭😭☝️☝️☝️
@ultimateidiot2344
7 күн бұрын
Imagine hating Applejack bro, she's a nice yeehaw horse
@Roseberry606
7 күн бұрын
"She never showed signs" She absolutely did and applejack can prove it
@PelosDePastel
7 күн бұрын
I think her main problem is refusing to understand why something is harmful to other artists and then trying to act like she is “breaking the mold” by claiming that she’s not allowing others to stop her from doing what she wants to do. It’s just very immature and disappointing from a viewer and fellow artist. In addition, her saying to not let others stop you from being your authentic self while constantly misgendering another artist is very hypocritical. Also, legally some states (in the US) are advancing in AI laws to make AI generated music or to replicate real life music artists ILLEGAL. Especially in states where the music industry is a very big thing helping their economy. While it could be better for labels to make AI music without having to pay the artist, AI music is harmful to the MANY people that it employs to make the music.
@Vesperad0
7 күн бұрын
I think I'm most surprised by the states trying to make it illegal. I don't expect much from america, I never should've from the beginning, so to see at least some states doing something decent for once is a pleasant surprise.
@Such_A_Silly_Willy
7 күн бұрын
Wait I didn’t know about the misgendering thing! Can someone please explain?
@_teen_hag_
7 күн бұрын
@Such_A_Silly_Willy I believe the "larger creator" owonekko was referring to goes by he/them yet nondi kept calling them she/her despite numerous corrections
@bigl8375
7 күн бұрын
@@Vesperad0Bro, why all the hate? 😭 Like, I get being surprised; I am too since I haven't heard much about it.
@bigl8375
7 күн бұрын
Where'd you hear the legislation stuff btw?
@thepandabookkeeper3180
7 күн бұрын
Man, as a fellow black creator I was so excited when i found another black artist on KZitem with similar interest, the whole development was super sadning :(
@OpulentPomegranate
7 күн бұрын
Agreed! I remember being in the live for her dating sim and people were calling it out then, I figured she’d say something about it even then but this response was wild. 😔
@justatouchkajm
6 күн бұрын
Same :/
@Reddyicecream
5 күн бұрын
Same, never expected her to act this way 💀 Tbh when I first came across this video I didn't look at the thumbnail clearly. And thought Nondi was telling the creator Ai is bad, not the other way around. (Not shaming the creator!! Already love her content after watching this vid)
@Acorn905
5 күн бұрын
Im really sorry for you man, i liked her art and still do but yeah this is disappointing :
@kuronkurro
5 күн бұрын
Not to mention shes very funny 💔 I love supporting as much artists as I can but ai is a big nono
@Babybearcroche
7 күн бұрын
"ai helps being authentic" is hilarious considering none of it authentic, it is all stolen
@Kouvierl_Elliyse
7 күн бұрын
And there are some AI bros says that because it copy different features from different artwork, and the OG artwork was posted pubicly so in their words it's "not stealing" like AI bros are just clowns and insecure 🙄
@rdzdoodles8592
7 күн бұрын
even if it wasn't stolen and the models were SOMEHOW ethically created, it wouldn't be authentic still. If it is not made with your hands, it has none of your character, especially if every single person giving the same prompt in the same model can replicate it in seconds no effort. What's so special about it then?
@leavemealone802
7 күн бұрын
And it has a serious "same face syndrome" problem
@feelinq_x
7 күн бұрын
Even more ironic when its *artifical* intelligence, not 'authentic' intelligence
@theSixPathsOfTrains
7 күн бұрын
Maybe. Maybe not.
@carolinewalter9816
7 күн бұрын
“Ai isn’t hurting anyone!” The animation industry has completely flipped. Many studios aren’t hiring opening positions because they’re filling those positions with ai. So the job I was working towards my entire life is practically impossible now. I don’t know what to do. I’m not going to art school like I planned, and I feel obsolete. Oh, but I guess that’s my problem. I just have to “catch up” and “be better”.
@bellabsdreamlab
7 күн бұрын
there’s also that big writer’s strike last year where one of the big concerns was studios using AI to replace writers. It was a whole thing?? 😭😭
@lilbread1717
6 күн бұрын
It's also harming the environment, which artists should also bring out when talking against Gen AI.
@Jojo-vd3vw
6 күн бұрын
bro what studios are replacing animators bro it hink you just pulled there out of your ass
@GOFFBITZH666
6 күн бұрын
@@bellabsdreamlabYep, and then sold the VA’s asses out to AI, so even the SAG-AFTRA didn’t help much
@jettmthebluedragon
6 күн бұрын
It’s NOT hurting everyone get your facts strait ai is not hurting me 😐I support ai as well as oppose it 😐
@lovediedin2009
7 күн бұрын
what the hell is she even talking about "ai allows me to be my most authentic self" ???? 😭😭😭 ai is genuinely the most INAUTHENTIC thing i can think of
@J14078
7 күн бұрын
LITERALLYYY
@Youmartyrme
7 күн бұрын
Probably means it can allow her to do whatever she wants without little limitations but idk
@victimvideo_
7 күн бұрын
@@lovediedin2009 It is for real so weird that she's using "being her authentic self" as a reason to use AI while denying a trans persons identity... She could at least keep her own logic consistent lmaooo 😭
@stereotypicalizard
7 күн бұрын
Yeah that's like if someone texts you a full blown novel saying they poured all of their feelings in that message and "that's the true them" and then you find out it was written by chatgpt, like you didn't pour a single feeling😭😭
@LeviathanxAngels
7 күн бұрын
@@victimvideo_oop when was that trans person drama abt?
@sickening_love1154
4 күн бұрын
"Ai isnt hurting anybody" it hurt me and my future. I can't get a job now. 🤷♀️
@Karv3r
3 күн бұрын
Sounds like a skill issue, ngl.
@trashbot.3533
3 күн бұрын
@@Karv3rThis type of attitude is exactly why artists are lashing out lol
@Karv3r
3 күн бұрын
@@trashbot.3533 It's unfortunate, but no amount of lashing out will stop progress. The sooner an artist gets with the times and adapts to incorporating AI into their workflow, the better it will be or them in the long run. There's also nothing wrong with finding a job that actually pays and sticking to being a hobbyist, which is what I ended up doing.
@trashbot.3533
3 күн бұрын
@@Karv3r It's understandable where you are coming from. Technology has always proven to destroy and then create more jobs. Despite this argument, ai art does not seem to improve anything aside from creating bare bones concepts. It does not teach proper anatomy, lighting, or color theory and the recycled ideas may at times be a disadvantage for artists. The only upside seems to be time. Though no doubt such a technology will only improve with time, be careful that it may begin to reach beyo nd art. Not to fearmonger or anything, but it certainly feels like the more it progresses, not even a "proper job" will be safe.
@YeYe-nG3r
2 күн бұрын
@@trashbot.3533 it also cut jobs intead of creating more because that's what a.i meant to made
@wizmizz
7 күн бұрын
her response really shows what kind of person she is. she's either completely missing the point or she knows exactly what shes doing but doesnt care. if its the former its still shitty because she refuses to listen
@BOO13FRI
7 күн бұрын
Yea, she’s acting pretty fishy, if it’s “not that deep” then she would be perfectly alright with leaving the comments on
@SpaceySodaPop
7 күн бұрын
Also the transphobia on her part just makes everything worse.
@a_naotenhonome780
7 күн бұрын
Yeah there's a difference between doing something wrong out of ignorance, but actually be willing to listen why what you did was wrong and apologize and try to be better, and d acting childish, refusing to accept any sort of valid criticism and correction
@phelinmelon1007
7 күн бұрын
It doesn’t help she’s constantly hiding behind comments defending her both as comments themselves and under replies on comments of genuine criticism (referring to her ai playlist vid as she turned off comments on the main video defending ai), also liking them to kind of overshadow the overall criticism to make them look like they’re being “condescending” and “mean”. Extremely disappointing and honestly childish ☹️
@nylogutz_
7 күн бұрын
@@SpaceySodaPopWHAAAT?? What happened with that? I'm soo upset man🙁
@calliepancakes
7 күн бұрын
"don't worry about ethics or morals just have fun" is a WILD thing to say about using the Planet-Killing Theft Machine and then also purposefully misgendering your critics. not to mention the general absurdity of telling people to just... disregard morality. does she not realize how dangerous of a statement that is to make??
@celestiag.thomas-johnson7067
7 күн бұрын
When did she purposefully misgender her critics?/genq
@RandomBoi848
7 күн бұрын
@@celestiag.thomas-johnson706722:39
@2cool2bhot89
7 күн бұрын
@celestiag.thomas-johnson7067 if you watch the video until 22:43, jouusta mentions how nondi used the incorrect pronouns for the big creator who commented on their AI music playlist. when nondi was corrected, they blocked the people correcting them and continually used the wrong pronouns. i'm sure most people are just unaware because most of this happened on twitter. just a head's up!
@TatertotsTV
7 күн бұрын
The fact she blocking and deleting comments trying to correct her it seem like she did @celestiag.thomas-johnson7067
@moomin4583
7 күн бұрын
Ra ra Rasputin planet-killing theft machine
@kaitlynmorgan8097
7 күн бұрын
I remember her talking about how "if you're scared of ai then you're just scared that ill be better than you and that's a you problem." This is a very shallow idea to have about ai people aren't scared about it being better, people are scared of CEOs and executives not paying artists and losing jobs. We just a big rally this summer with some of the biggest names in animation standing against ai
@GenderedMess
3 күн бұрын
Exactly this.. she seems to forget that artists are shit scared because of both reasons. One day (which might be soon), companies will stop hiring more artists and use ai instead. Prime example I've been seeing on my tik tok ads IS an AI movie, fully voiced by ai and the animation is just ai alone. We've already come so far that ai is able to do that.. imagine what it can achieve next year.
@oxygengas5082
2 күн бұрын
Well if it wasn't better than the artists then it wouldn't be being used
@bella-blue13
2 күн бұрын
@@oxygengas5082ceos and executives usually praise more what is cheaper and easier to control/“take care of” then quality
@charismaticRogue
8 сағат бұрын
@@oxygengas5082 are you fucking stupid? i have to assume so
@cmlyhmbylm4840
6 сағат бұрын
@@oxygengas5082 Except it's not. Corporations use it because it's cheaper- aka they don't have to pay anyone.
@polkuio
4 күн бұрын
I'll admit, I'm really not surprised by this kind of behavior. A little while ago in her Hazbin Hotel redesign video, she had a take that being mentally unwell and not doing anything about it made you a bad person. This left me with a bad taste in my mouth, especially as someone with multiple disabilities-- a mental illness or disability alone isn't something that makes you bad, and doesn't automatically mean you will hurt someone if you have it. Being depressed and not being able to do anything about it, having ADHD and choosing not to take medication or other forms of correction, or other examples should not be considered some evil thing, unless someone is explicitly making the decision to harm another person with it-- then those actions would be bad, of course. I felt that the way the video discussed it was really distasteful and generally made it seem as though someone's mental health somehow determined their worth. I tried to bring this up as a concern, not saying that was what she believed but that the way she was discussing it made it seem that way, and her arguments back were...accusatory, not listening to anything that I had said, and acting as though I was trying to attack her for her opinions. I tried to discuss things further but after a couple of responses it became clear she wasn't really interested in actual conversation about the topic, so I gave up and let it go, since I am by no means someone who has enough reach to really do anything about it. Her supporting AI was still a surprise, but having her act this way in regards to how others respond to it just echoes a lot of that attempt at communication that I made a month or so ago. I wish that things were being handled a bit more gracefully and it's upsetting to see someone I looked up to and was inspired by treating other people in her own fan base this way. The purposeful misgendering as well as frankly gross response to this own video and Twitter comments makes me feel awful.
@kumotacloudz
4 күн бұрын
THAT HAZBIN VIDEO WAS SO BAD SHE DID NOT GET NEAR ENOUGH BACKLASH FOR THAT
@polkuio
4 күн бұрын
@@kumotacloudz I know :( She tried to make the argument that she has BPD, which had caused her to act out in ways that harmed others and that treating that BPD was the only way for that to stop...but my sister and my two partners all have BPD, and most of them have gone untreated for a large majority of their lives due to not having the resources to do so. Despite this they have made every effort to ensure that they look out for others, learn and change if they ever do end up accidentally hurting someone, so not having treatment in no way determines how good or bad someone may be that has mental health related issues. She kept bringing up that if your disability is hurting another person or causing someone else problems and you don't do anything about it then it has to make you bad, but in all honesty that part Really doesn't feel great either because...well. disabilities Do cause people issues, whether you like it or not. I have fibromyalgia, my chronic pain makes it so that I many times cannot get up to do things. I have to rely on my partner and sister to do a lot of things around the house or help get things for me. I know in some ways this is a detriment to them and causes issues, but they also choose to do so because I literally can't undergo treatment-- fibro just doesn't have a reliable treatment or cure, and we don't have enough money or resources to constantly go back to a doctor to try to adjust medication or find alternative ways to "solve" my disability. Does that make me a bad person, then, under that logic? It's just hard. I don't think she truly believes that but when she takes such a hard stance and refuses to budge, reword or rethink how to state it, I feel concerned that fans of her may pick up these ideas and apply them to themselves or others.
@AverageDonaldDuckFan
2 күн бұрын
@polkuio sorry, just to clarify, BPD as in borderline personality disorder or as in bipolar?/genq
@winnielmao
2 күн бұрын
@@AverageDonaldDuckFan bpd haver here! BPD is used to refer to borderline personality disorder. bipolar disorder is usually just shortened to bp
@AverageDonaldDuckFan
2 күн бұрын
@winnielmao I also have BPD, as in borderline. I've heard people refer to both as such and was wondering which she had. Thank you for the clarification
@MelodyMute
7 күн бұрын
Ok, is no one gonna point out Nondi's line "Educate yourself on it on your own time. Don't let people tell you how to feel about it. You need to figure that out for yourself." is actually pretty scary when you think about how she's been acting in response? Normally that could be taken as 'take the time to research a topic and don't rely on word of mouth alone.' and that would be a good thing. This ain't that though. This sounds like her saying 'don't let others educate you on something. no one has the right to tell you you're wrong about what you've learned or what you stand by.' That's a seriously dangerous way of thinking cause learning something yourself has a chance for bias viewpoints or using untrustful resources that seem ok at a glace. There's a difference between ignoring opinions and ignoring those who have learnt differently just because they don't see it the same way as you.
@mewimewww
7 күн бұрын
THIS! I was just thinking about that and how harmful that way of thinking is... it's honestly, like you said, really fucking scary
@snowpawwildcraft6276
7 күн бұрын
Exactly, plus the things she says just perpetuate the idea that everyone who criticises you just wants to cause drama and hurt you. Which is harmful because it leads people to being defensive of themselves rather then their opinions: It's not about discussing *what's* 'right' anymore, it's about discussing *who* is right, which just makes the conversation unproductive and hostile for no reason
@sodaacrash
7 күн бұрын
Wholly agree with all of this!
@marshmallow927
7 күн бұрын
yea she isn't even trying to be receptive. Like I was gonna give her the benefit of the doubt and maybe think that she was just heavily misinformed about what ai actually does and why it's bad. But when you don't even try to listen to people who are being respectful, who are *trying* to extend an olive branch to you is when you just honestly don't deserve to even be heard out. She's just being childish and is putting herself in a bubble with a bunch of yes-men and people who either don't know or don't care that ai art cannot be used without stealing from others. I don't think she'll even care if it happens to her maybe. It's just pitiable
@MelodyMute
7 күн бұрын
@@marshmallow927 I just wanted to say, you stopped me from writing a long as hell comment to a different reply cause you took my thoughts right out of my head and put them in a short and sweet way -I'm way too wordy for my own good sometimes- . This is why I didn't see her advise in a favorable light. Like if she wants to ignore info when it was kindly given to her, that may be her m.o., but we can for sure criticize how she handles it and point out any red flags we may see along the way, as her attitude can play just as an important role as the viewpoints themselves. Her advise when combined with her actions show how harmful that advise can be to those that still follow her.
@FXXTRN
7 күн бұрын
As someone who genuinely took interest in her content/her as a creator, it was extremely disappointing how she decided to handle this topic. She already knew beforehand that she will receive backlash/people stating their OWN opinion but would shut people down saying "we aren't her fans if we don't agree with her opinion" type of statement. What ticked me over the edge was the transphobia and the fact her partner was saying that people were making up the transphobia stuff 💀
@masonjar1405
7 күн бұрын
so off topic, i love ur art
@FXXTRN
7 күн бұрын
@@masonjar1405 That's very sweet of you! Thank you so much 🦭🩵!!
@Urushi12kitty
7 күн бұрын
WAIT SHE WAS TRANSPHOBIC AS WELL!?!? Thats fucking horrible
@malaksafa4074
6 күн бұрын
@@FXXTRN I like your art too!
@FXXTRN
6 күн бұрын
@@malaksafa4074 Awe thank you thank you!! Sorry for the late response 🩵🙏 it's early morning here
@cryptid479
7 күн бұрын
With her whole “don’t let others police your self expression/interests” argument, it’s like she’s trying to equate this situation with cringe culture, which is just… no. There’s shamelessly writing self insert fanfics and making edgy OCs, and then there’s willingly supporting an unethical practice that has done more harm to artists and even the environment than good.
@snowpawwildcraft6276
7 күн бұрын
"I don't care about the planet and ethics!! I just want to have fun!! I'm tired of caring!!" Is such a child-like argument
@raineatscheese
7 күн бұрын
@@snowpawwildcraft6276yeah like if you’re going to think like that, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF
@DoDo-dq5lx
7 күн бұрын
At the same time, even if we aöll stopped using ai. Theyll still work on ai to make it more appealing to ppl or replace stuff
@frogg_face
7 күн бұрын
@@DoDo-dq5lx I doubt they’d keep putting money and time into an “industry” people are purposefully ignoring. It’s bad for business, if no one wanted generative AI, no company would bother making it better. Unfortunately, that’s not the case in our world today.
@DoDo-dq5lx
7 күн бұрын
@@frogg_face people still would try to replace workers currently with ai, like with app mods too
@Freshly_Toast
7 күн бұрын
"geez, didnt realize she thought this way :( AI art is not okay" " SHES TRANSPHOBIC??? WHAT"
@pastelnut027
6 күн бұрын
Honestly same. Genuinely disappointed in her and am unsubscribing from her as we speak
@Funny_in_blue
5 күн бұрын
I just followed her like last week. Very disappointed to find out that she not only supports Ai but is also transphobic?? Yuck. I think this is the quickest I unsubscribed from someone
@NemeaChain
5 күн бұрын
SO DISSAPOINTING... I was like 😰 I srs liked her steven universe redesigns sm but I'm NOT gonna support someone like her, thank u
@pastelnut027
5 күн бұрын
@@NemeaChain Fr, like AI art is bad and harmful to artists but whatever I guess (obviously not supporting her cause I’m an artist myself). But upon realizing that she was consistently misgendering someone and was constantly corrected and reminded that “hey, this person goes by he/they, not she/her” blocking the people correcting her (if I’m remembering correctly), that’s a totally different low. She can stay in her own little world making and profiting off of her silly little ai songs all day (harmful ofc), but transphobia is blatantly disrespecting people (as is ai art actually) I guess I expected her to be an ally, especially since she was/is(?) a fan of Steven Universe. How can you love and watch a show about lesbian and nonbinary aliens (and people) and be transphobic?
@jazz9260
5 күн бұрын
Honestly, I’ve learned it’s best to assume this about anyone (especially non-queer ppl) unless they themselves are trans. Not gay, not lesbian, but trans. Less disappointing that way🥲 Even ppl indifferent to trans ppl will slip up n say sum transphobic, cuz it’s just the norm to not be educated, heteronormativity is so weaved into our society
@crybble
7 күн бұрын
I am so glad I wasn't alone in feeling weird about her response video. Why assume we only have these opinions because we follow bigger artists and not because we already know how harmful generative AI is ourselves? Encouraging people to find their own stance and morals then subsequently silencing those you don't agree with is certainly.. a choice
@roseykitty8748
7 күн бұрын
Fr, She encourages having other people make their own opinions off of the information they see but when that opinion just so happens to be different from hers it's suddenly wrong because if they disagree with her they're also disagreeing with her "true self" This entire video wouldn't have happened if she could've just took the criticism like a champ, she must've known she would've gotten criticism about her ai opinions since she's in the art community but shes acting so childish about even people politely pointing out her bad behavior
@cirquedutournesol
7 күн бұрын
I was gonna say something similar to this tbh. Like sure the "songs"(?) were funny I guess but. It felt like an out of season April fools joke.
@lucianomialu9079
7 күн бұрын
i feel like blaming the ai is just a gross misconduct on everybody's part. we're acting like the ai is sentient and has an active choice in the matter. we're all hounding on ai, ai, ai, when what we should be hounding on is the people who create and work with the unethical ai. but no. you guys keep on hounding and screeching ai is bad ai is bad when no, ai in of itself is not bad. those who use it unethically are. but we keep getting people like you who just screech the same rhetoric of "ai bad ai bad ai bad" without realizing the deeper issue.
@grimbluesins
6 күн бұрын
@@lucianomialu9079atp you’re getting reported for spam- you’re in EVERY REPLY THREAD! please calm down!
@PurpleQuestions
7 күн бұрын
The thing she said in her original video about how “so what if ai is stealing your art? There’s nothing you can do about it, so use it” was what got me. No ones advocating for ai to go away; that’s not realistic, they’re advocating for regulations and laws so that it can’t blatantly steal others people’s art and not compensate the og artists or take away creative jobs. It’s also just a really defeatist take that I don’t agree with
@gothnerd887
7 күн бұрын
Well there is a computer program that sneakily messes up AI art programs.
@veinfish
7 күн бұрын
@@gothnerd887i think the same program was proven to not work
@lilbread1717
6 күн бұрын
Also, that's not true. AI can go away. If it isn't making money, if laws are put in place to protect people's work and the planet (as Gen AI use a ton of energy and harm the environment), it will go away. Companies aren't going to keep around a tool that doesn't bring money in.
@rdzdoodles8592
6 күн бұрын
@@veinfish the older model was proven not to work in a small percantage of cases. The current model has not yet been cracked nor does it look like it will anytime soon
@rdzdoodles8592
6 күн бұрын
It is a take either for people who were looking forward to this tech and want to seem as if they care, or people who tried to fight it but gave up and now willingly chose to become part of the problem - don't know which one is worse. People often forget about the strength of the individuals forming in groups - if not for that we wouldn't have laws as we have now to the benefit of the common folk. If one's take is "we can't stop progress" then you are bound to be broken by its cogs no matter if you use that progress or not, as the endgame winners are those who set up those cogs in the first place. What is realistic to do is to put down the AI kool-aid and not use it, advocate against it, don't buy products with current gen corpo-AI that is being pushed, and educate people about the good AI that actually IS being developed for the benefit of common folk, but is often forgotten. In the end technologies stay only as long as they are profitable or useful to any significant level. But should the narrative become unfavourable to an extent in which mentioning AI causes to lose clients - which is currently happenign - then the tech will fade away at least in some capacity. What's more, we can see the trend of rising distrust against new AI and services & products losing their appeal at the mention of AI, so it's not an unrealisitc thing.
@pyro8283
7 күн бұрын
using ARTIFICIAL intelligence to be "Authentic" to yourself is weird as hell
@pyro8283
7 күн бұрын
BEING TRANSPHOBIC OVER AI IS WILD
@lexx1745
7 күн бұрын
fr now that’s an oxymoron if I’ve ever seen one.
@Wolf_Blob
7 күн бұрын
It's infuriating me, the fact some lazy/ greedy people use AI with the guts of saying "AI is for fun!". There's nothing fun of getting your art stolen. AI is uncapable of generating "art" on its own, it needs real human artists to make such abominations, to just reflect A FRACTION of them. Anti-AI forever, and no one could change my mind.
@helixsol7171
7 күн бұрын
@@Wolf_Blob What about those of us who have practiced our entire lives and still can't draw for shit, don't have the money to commission, and have no other viable ways to express ourselves in way we can find even remotely adequate? Are we supposed to just sit and suffer in silence and let our ideas rot???
@Wolf_Blob
7 күн бұрын
@@helixsol7171 you are hard-working, not lazy or greedy (I meant people who don't even pick up a crayon). Art is a your own thing, I know the struggle because I'm literally in your situation right now. Art is not only for aesthetic or online, it's in real life, where it can be your job, or hobby. I'm sure you don't want your 10h drawing to be stolen online for something inappropriate or cringe, right?
@Ellathealienfella
5 күн бұрын
Bro i saw owonekko’s thumbnail for her live and she’s just acting so immature and the whole live was immature..💀 Why is she drawing the hate comments on the video and trying to be funny why did she even mock you in the thumbnail you weren’t even hating on her
@Cosmic_Cowgirl0
5 күн бұрын
She's just making the situation worse and worse for herself 🫠
@etoileshine1011
7 күн бұрын
This is quite shocking to me as I only casually watched her KZitem shorts. To find out she approves of ai art and turned off the comments on her ai videos shows how sensitive she is to criticism.
@Wolf_Blob
7 күн бұрын
The fact that she kept saying: "Express yourself and go share your opinion", and then turning off the comment section.
@starrycharacter
7 күн бұрын
I'm in the exact same boat I only have watched her shorts and she seemed really cool I'm so disappointed
@Felix-jo7nj
7 күн бұрын
yeah on her ai playlist she said to take the convo elsewhere bc she doesn't want drama, but that makes no sense at all.
@Lilseapuppy
7 күн бұрын
Because you’re harassing someone BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN OPINION?
@lucianomialu9079
7 күн бұрын
i feel like blaming the ai is just a gross misconduct on everybody's part. we're acting like the ai is sentient and has an active choice in the matter. we're all hounding on ai, ai, ai, when what we should be hounding on is the people who create and work with the unethical ai. but no. you guys keep on hounding and screeching ai is bad ai is bad when no, ai in of itself is not bad. those who use it unethically are. but we keep getting people like you who just screech the same rhetoric of "ai bad ai bad ai bad" without realizing the deeper issue.
@appl3jewelartz
7 күн бұрын
Was a recent fan of hers, the lack of self-awareness is AMAZING Ok uh edit: correction, I discovered that she was in the animation meme community and I had been following along all this time but didn’t peep the shift cuz I left the community early… small world 😀 Double edit: that new thumbnail she made is diabolical I am so sorry
@Snowwydaydreamr
7 күн бұрын
seriously, i don't go here and just happened to stumble upon the video here but like, this is serious levels of density and lack of self-awareness. damn.
@nitz_o
7 күн бұрын
@@Snowwydaydreamrright like how you gonna say you want discussion but then delete comments 💀
@ikaniitoshi
7 күн бұрын
I was subbed for a month now, no longer am. What made me leave is that ignorant lack of self-awareness, and a hypocrite on top of that! People like that are not worth arguing, so best is to leave.
@Dead_0nix
7 күн бұрын
@@nitz_o She didn’t say she wanted a discussion (if you watch the actual controversial video, you would know that) sorry to sound rude. I just am kind of in the middle of this because she’s not a bad person trying to defend ALL things ai and a lot of people in the comments are kind of treating this like she’s getting canceled
@nitz_o
7 күн бұрын
@@Dead_0nix yeah but she’s keeps preaching “be yourself:3” but when people are letting her know how they feel and asking questions. She deletes them, it’s hypocritical and dubious. Hell, making a video like that you should expect discourse and discussion and of course she didn’t outright say that, but she was definitely encouraging it.
@corvid_pest
7 күн бұрын
It's sadly not uncommon how much people miss the point of *why* people dislike generative AI. Generative AI is a weapon, no more, no less. It's constantly abused for crimes and scams, people have already generated revenge p0rn & CP with these things due to it learning incredibly fast and, even scarier, *well*. G-AI has made so many jumps upwards since the internet was introduced to the concept through AI generated "artworks". Artists and other people don't hate all AI systems simply for existing. It's generative AI that is actively harming people, not only in the creative world. I've seen generative AI being used to trick people (e.g simulating voices from loved ones) or to scam people. Generative AIs data is scraped without any permission from the internet. It scrapes artwork, photographs, voice samples, songs, anything it can use to make something from it. If a data bank was made with ethical sources (e.g owners being asked to use their works) that is one thing. But the main generative AIs just steal stuff. As an artist this is just art theft. Why is it okay if a cooperation steals our creative works we pour hard work in, wether it be art, photographs, voice acting or music but if a person steals art it's suddenly worse? I'd rather be angry at the AI company mass-stealing art than some person in their bedroom right-clicking and downloading my stuff for re-upload. Yes, both is bad, but at least the person is a meanie and the AI company makes money from this without ever paying the people back they've stolen from. People had their voices stolen (AI voices/music), their artwork, they photographs, their original movies, stuff they pour training & hard work into just for some company to use them free of charge so people who don't want to pay creators for contributions can generate their anime images.
@eldritchmonsters
7 күн бұрын
YES! THIS.
@its_not_akio_
7 күн бұрын
AGREE SO HARD TY FOR ALL THE BIG PARAGRAPHS
@user-jz8dd3zj8e
7 күн бұрын
About that comment about illegal stuff being fed into prompts, this why I don’t like AI, because people might reference that stuff sometimes knowing that it’s in there and use that for their works, yet they’ll still say it’s one of the more ethical uses since it’s not *directly* using it. I’ve really wanted to say this, but out of fear someone might get an Idea, or even at best, try to spread the word without taking account my previous statement because we can’t get rid of this stuff so easily, I’ve kept silent for the most part.
@Vesperad0
7 күн бұрын
@@user-jz8dd3zj8ethat's exactly the point, bestie. Don't be afraid cuz you've got it. It surprises me but I definitely remember someone making an argument that generated cp and other illegal and more importantly immoral stuff is good, because "it can be a healthy and safe outlet for those people!!" Sure bud. There are pedos that, because they were well aware of their desires being wrong and dangerous, never put their hands on any children/teens and got the help they needed. People who know there's something wrong with them, and out of a respectable and expected fear of finding minors attractive, they get mental help. There's no excuse for anybody who realizes those "feelings", and does nothing about them. And cp, whether bought from someone else or generated or whatever other means people get that shit, is still cp, and it is still disgusting. Disgusting, dangerous, violent, illegal, immoral, etc etc etc. There is no ethical way to get your hands on cp, because either way a child was hurt in the making. Still, I fully understand and empathize with your hesitancy. For some reason certain people think "I know you are but what am I" is a good enough defense against people reasonably aggressive against PDF files.
@elvingearmasterirma7241
7 күн бұрын
Small correction. The term now is CSAM to better describe what it is. Which is... well child sa material
@kashe7285
4 күн бұрын
insane you were so nice to her too LMFAO, all of her takes are godawful, including the take on using it as a tool, and you still gave her the benefit of the doubt and tried seeing her arguments, and she still responded the way she did😭 craaaazy
@turbo_kaio_kincaid
7 күн бұрын
what rubs me the wrong way about the AI music in general, SHE MADE A SHORT ABOUT HOW MUSIC IS HARD TO MAKE. SHE KNOWS. But still goes on to use AI to make it, as if real music is worthless.
@irlgf
7 күн бұрын
i think that’s why she used ai. like she knew making music was hard and takes a long time to do, but she HAD to do that joke(?) *now* (for whatever reason? she could have kept it to herself and her partner but whatever) so she used the easy way out
@lotusdragonjbh
7 күн бұрын
@@irlgf she could have beep-boxed instead. Would have actually been funnier. Oh, like that "day and night" meme where someone is meowing the beat. Wasted opportunity
@Megolsky
7 күн бұрын
Well she did a lot of dumb stuff in the video, … But… Saying music is hard to make and then letting ai make it once it got good enough is the only logical thing. Why waste hours if you can get the required music within minutes? Obviously, ai isn’t that good yet and can’t create music as good as some human creators out there… but tbh, ai is getting real close. Won’t stop people from creating the perfect song they ever dreamed of by themselves, but if you just need SOME good song… just use ai.
@lotusdragonjbh
7 күн бұрын
@@Megolsky Or Use some of the millions of free , copyright safe music people have shared for years now instead. like we've been doing before without the parasitic software? Its a quick search too. A lot of musicians let you use their beats for FREE and simply want credit. There are songs from ten years ago I can use now that still sound good. No environmentally bad generating nessessary. And I call into question the "beats of your dreams" things when one simply settles with whatever ai generations they get. Those with no knowledge of music making or how to tweak further will always have to settle and never can get exactly what they want. Gen ai tech isn't mind reading tech, after all. And if they want something quick- they can just use the free music we already have rather than generate some. Also also- beat-boxing is fun and free. Adds character. Humor.
@sleepy.timaeus.arts.
7 күн бұрын
@@lotusdragonjbhmaking the beats with your mouth will never not be funny 😭 i find myself laughing half the time im trying to record a melody i came up with cause it just sounds so silly lol. i wanna learn how to make music properly one day so i can bring those soundbites to life, but the second best thing will always just be imitating the sounds to the best of ur abilities XD
@somefellow7440
7 күн бұрын
the logic that "bad people will always exist so we should just let them be bad!" irks me sm "there will always be tracers" yeah so we call them out and educate them
@coryscorgis
7 күн бұрын
I hate when creators can't take any criticism. It's so ridiculous. Then taking criticism as a personal attack against them? wow.
@Star14Light
7 күн бұрын
So true! I noticed that it’s also not just artists, it can be anyone when doing their craft example: acting, movie, art, etc. it’s hard to criticize anymore because of how the majority of people tend to take it and make it as though it is a personal attack 😔
@SuperCoolPersonCalledLillith
7 күн бұрын
Yeah
@DoDo-dq5lx
7 күн бұрын
@@Star14Light every human being can mistake or take critizism as an attack... Its not rare or not normal either
@valerial9081
7 күн бұрын
@@DoDo-dq5lx It's a bit immature tho. You learn to separate constructive criticism and suggestions from real attacks, and not take them personal. To grow a thicker skin and learn to not listen to those that just throw hate for the sake of it. It's part of growing up.
@lucianomialu9079
7 күн бұрын
@@valerial9081 yea, but when there's people in THIS VERY COMMENT SECTION who choose to insult, berrate, and harass her over it, instead of contstructive criticsm, and then the very same woman who made this video, the same woman who went "yea im not trying to be disrespectful or mean to nekko" turns around and HEARTS THOSE COMMENTS, it's disgusting.
@Porpompurip
5 күн бұрын
Is everyone else seeing OwONekko’s live right now? The thumbnail is straight up horrible. Even if she’s clickbaiting by calling you racist on it, the drawing is just mean and cruel. I’m sorry you’re going through this, stay strong 💕.
@SillieGoofie
5 күн бұрын
Oh my god I just saw and she’s so childish what the hell????
@nani0logy
5 күн бұрын
Just saw it! My jaw was absolutely DROPPED
@PassedFlowers
5 күн бұрын
Yeah I thought it was a joke at first, she’s 100% serious
@Porpompurip
5 күн бұрын
@@SillieGoofieHonestly it’s just really sad to watch. Hopped on her stream for like five minutes and I just had to turn it off.
@Porpompurip
5 күн бұрын
@@PassedFlowers People were telling her to just stop the stream exactly because of this. Small update, but all Nekko is doing in her stream is drawing the comments of the “haters” in said stream, making fun of it, and trying to act like a “troll” to show the situation doesn’t affect her. It’s really sad to see considering the creator of this video was nothing but polite towards Nekko . Let’s hope all of the people involved in this can find peace, because goodness, Nekko’s rude response really wasn’t needed and made this situation worse.
@areyrii
7 күн бұрын
I think the reason I have a hard time with people using generative ai at all (even as a tool) is because it creates more demand for companies to keep prioritizing/developing it I know most of the demand is coming from other companies and people who's opinion on it can't be changed but idk it just feels like using these programs at all is just contributing to supporting them (and implies to others that it's okay/harmless to do) 😭 (I guess I can understand using ai pieces that have already been generated by someone else but going out of your way to create more just feels a little icky to me)
@areyrii
7 күн бұрын
ALSO TRANSPHOBIA JUMPSCARE?? 😭 As a trans fan of hers(ex fan now though I guess) that's really saddening to see ): I really liked her content before so it's rlly a shame that she's acting like this & standing so firm about it all ):
@infiniteX3
7 күн бұрын
Fr like if I'm doing a A.I redesign challenge I find that A. I shit on Pinterest But no way in hell am I touching a A.I generator 💀
@rosennacht7624
7 күн бұрын
@@infiniteX3 I was gonna do the ai redesign challenge too years ago because the Drawfee channel introduced me to it. I never did draw it though and seeing as how bad the AI issue is now made me regret using that Crayon website for the art challenge 😬 Thankfully after that time I never used and still will never use an AI image generator to this day.
@AltereggoLol1
7 күн бұрын
@@areyrii what is wrong with you things
@lucianomialu9079
7 күн бұрын
i feel like blaming the ai is just a gross misconduct on everybody's part. we're acting like the ai is sentient and has an active choice in the matter. we're all hounding on ai, ai, ai, when what we should be hounding on is the people who create and work with the unethical ai. but no. you guys keep on hounding and screeching ai is bad ai is bad when no, ai in of itself is not bad. those who use it unethically are. but we keep getting people like you who just screech the same rhetoric of "ai bad ai bad ai bad" without realizing the deeper issue.
@sharkyfactory
7 күн бұрын
just found out she misgendered the artist who left the comment , she fell off so hard by acting like a literal child and then MISGENDERS someone?? insane crashout
@binkiebrew
6 күн бұрын
I wanna be charitable and say that it wasn't on purpose. Hopefully.
@irlgf
6 күн бұрын
@@binkiebrew no it was on purpose. people who were in the live said she purposely misgendered june because she said “somebody’s gender doesn’t matter if they’re a horrible person” which is… wrong in so many ways. she’s been blocking people on twitter who’s telling her not to misgender june, so i doubt it’s unintentional
@Xonatirose
5 күн бұрын
@@binkiebrew nah she talked about it in her community post that she didn’t mean to misgender them but then goes on to misgender them for the next 2 paragraphs.
@mariachi3217
4 күн бұрын
@@binkiebrew once it can be seen as a mistake. But she allegedly repeatedly said the wrong pronouns.
@whatisthis1958
14 сағат бұрын
@@binkiebrewmisgendering accidentally is fine as long as you put in the effort to learn. But that's definitely not the case here lol. Maybe the first time, but all the others? Nah.
@lotusdragonjbh
7 күн бұрын
OwOnekko made a 20+ minute video DOUBLING DOWN/making excuses for using controversial tech. then implied those agaisnt it were "misinformed". All because of ONE critical commitment that wasn't even rude. Wanna get defensive but couldn't even wait for the tech to be regulated.
@lotusdragonjbh
7 күн бұрын
Like there haven't been professional programmers , computer scientists, and linguists who share the exact sentiment many artists do about how ai is a parrot grift. And actually have the qualifications to back this up- they WORK with tech as their job. And plenty of creatives are experienced in tech too. Some can tell me more about a computer than some of the gen ai proponents ever could. Gen ai doesn’t just effect artist, it effects musicians , programmers , writers, everyday workers , medical professionals, exc. The amount of disinformation these things contributed to and the employment disruption is real. Literal quality of life lowering as well as how horrible it is for the environment. The amount of water and electricity these things use is horrid. No better than nfts and crypto. There is no using it and it not negatively effecting things more than positively. Even if it's for "personal use". Also ew on the transphobia. Was defending Gen ai really worth it? (No, no it's not. Defending a program at actual people's expense is an ew.)
@ohmygodtheykilledkenny4887
5 күн бұрын
Edit: OwO Nekko now refused to apologize, and is drawing horrible art of the people calling her out. I'm sorry for how she portrayed you in her most recent community post. I genuinely don't see any racist remarks here, yet she drew you saying "I hate blacks" and it feels so harmful, hopefully this gets settled, but seeing how she's behaving, I unfortunately think this won't be the case Just know, you've gained a new appreciator and subscriber
@clemm1e_0100
5 күн бұрын
It was just the thumbnail. Nandi said it was bait.
@Dosborreguitosssss
5 күн бұрын
@@clemm1e_0100it's bad still.
@ohmygodtheykilledkenny4887
5 күн бұрын
@@clemm1e_0100 that kinda makes it worse. She baited someone with a thumbnail, said someone made a respectful and mature response, and she claims racism unnecessarily? Yikes
@clemm1e_0100
5 күн бұрын
@@Dosborreguitosssss how so? How is it any different from this creator’s thumbnail saying that Nandi said “ai is good!”
@clemm1e_0100
5 күн бұрын
@@ohmygodtheykilledkenny4887 She baited people who decided to click on her video… she has a right to not like/disagree with people’s responses (she turned off comments BECAUSE she didn’t want responses to begin with) and never claimed racism. It was a thumbnail. A silly, goofy thumbnail.
@numynum
7 күн бұрын
I'm gonna be honest I started avoiding this creator like the plague once I stumbled upon her SU fusions video, the implications (emphasis on the word "implications") that the designs were bad/ugly because they weren't conventionally attractive always rubbed me off the wrong way and it's a pattern I noticed with the rest of her videos (eg: Helluva boss redesigns) so I'm not shoked she's ok with the "unrealistic model expectations slop" machine. Disappointed but not entirely surprised lovely response and art!
@redballoon9007
7 күн бұрын
I never thought about it in that sense. I just liked the designs because I thought they incorporated the outfits and themes better. But now that I think about it, yeah she did get kinda body shame-y with the designs. (Especially with Rainbow Quartz 2.0)
@TheTeheTinkleMonster
7 күн бұрын
I feel the exact same
@numynum
7 күн бұрын
@@redballoon9007 it's a shame because I agree the outfit design is very pretty (not animation friendly but a good design regardless) but I could not ignore how everyone got Genshin-fied 😭
@ratboy6969
7 күн бұрын
...this is kinda real she doesnt like redesign them because they could be better or say they could represent the character better she just redesigns them becauss theyre ugly???
@ratboy6969
7 күн бұрын
@@numynumLITTERALLY SHE GENSHIN-FIES CHARACTERS THAT ARE ACTUALLY ORIGINAL AND HAVE A CERTAIN STYLE OR QUICKS (this might be how she remakes vivziepop characters)
@mj-sw2nh
7 күн бұрын
She’s live as I’m typing this, called the situation “silly” and is saying that people getting upset over this are “sensitive” and that it’s “such a small thing” to worry about. She’s still being ignorant and at this point I think it’s willful. She’s refusing to see any other pov. I was also a fan and I’m so incredibly disappointed. Thank you for creating this and letting us know! Edit:! She also said that there were “rumors and lies” going around! A lot of people have a lot of physical proof so just watch out for lies and rumors and if they’re not there… then it’s the age old excuse all over again.
@LinWarai
7 күн бұрын
yep, and you can only type in chat if you were subscribed for over 20 minutes, she only wants to surround herself with yes men now so disappointing
@mj-sw2nh
7 күн бұрын
@@LinWaraithe funniest part is it’s not even working 😭😭😭like there’s a few yes men saying it’s a joke and agreeing that we’re sensitive, but it’s mostly people explaining the issue with ai and her reactions to this, plus the misgendering. (Which a lot of her chat were trying to excuse)
@valerial9081
7 күн бұрын
I love when creators are called out for being problematic, people show proof and somehow they call it "lies and rumors", like the evidence isn't right there and they made a video about it
@mj-sw2nh
7 күн бұрын
@@valerial9081 I also love that!! I love when people have full opportunity to make videos debunking “rumors and lies” about videos they ALSO made surrounding THEIR beliefs and views alone (that seem… pretty straight forward tbh…) like yeah! Sure! We’re definitely going to believe these “lies” you aren’t even explaining 😀😀😀
@Emo_PuddingX3
5 күн бұрын
to me I think using AI art for fun and not using it as actually art art and just for fun silly ness is ok! As long as you don’t say you’re an “AI artist” or smt like that I think it’s alr and I used to be a fan and all this crap really sucks :(
@sunla
7 күн бұрын
I don't think we should normalize its use as a tool, because that's expecting people to know where to draw the line. Where is the line between "it's a tool" and "it does the work for you?" What if you do 20% of the work, and claim you did 90% of the work? And can we expect people to be transparent about this? The best way to prove your authenticity is to avoid it completely. Even that isn't 100%, but once you dabble, people will become skeptical and critical. It can ruin a reputation in-full. Adam Duff and ErgoJosh aren't really someone people look up to in the midst of all of this. Not only are they ostracized from the AI bro cult for being an artist, but they've burnt their bridges with artists, as well. Most people aren't exactly thrilled about their take, and it's probably better to really, really think deeply and thoroughly before deciding to add it to the toolkit, especially when it doesn't add any value, like in Ergojosh's case.
@Megolsky
7 күн бұрын
AI isn’t a tool. AI is a creator. And if people „use“ AI to get art… Then they aren’t the artist… They are the commissioner Who commissioned from AI It’s that easy
@grimaussiewitch
7 күн бұрын
100% I hate the argument that you can use as a tool. Like you said where’s do you draw line? Why do you need as a tool?
@TheOneWhoMends
7 күн бұрын
I mean I think it can be used as a tool. It’s helpful to look at examples of what it makes and look for details that make it uncanny or wrong, and figuring out how to correct it. The problem is that it is so close to normal art that people can be tempted to lean on it too hard. It’s basically (in my uneducated opinion) the equivalent of using a reference, but instead of taking it off of google images it’s scraped off of people content directly… ethical, no, but it could be used responsibly I guess? It’s like a really beautiful pencil. If you use it to create an original piece, that’s fine. But if you just post a picture of it online (especially if it was designed by someone who isn’t credited), it is not original or fair.
@grimaussiewitch
7 күн бұрын
@@TheOneWhoMends it can be a tool once rules and laws are in place.
@Megolsky
7 күн бұрын
@@grimaussiewitch It isn‘t a tool because you don’t use it It is the artist AI draws for you It doesn’t help you draw It draws for you That’s why humans can’t be AI artists But rather AI commissioners
@kaixxielfingkoi4500
7 күн бұрын
Hey to anyone commenting about the live- Please be aware she is more than likely having an episode, so please leave the live and maybe let her work herself through it, she's not going to act rationally if she's doing this. I was in her live chat until now and left for my own sake, but a lot of people were begging her to actually stop the live, but she might not be able to listen, so please be aware of that, let it run it's course because if you have any mental disorder you know it can get really hard like that. (also lets not make fun of her stuttering, but personally I dont think anyone is making fun of it, I think atleast from what I've seen people are expressing concern over it. I'm saying this because I HAVE A STUTTER) if anyone wishes to correct me please do, but lets just try not to make it worse when she is clearly not in the right mind while doing the live./gen [EDIT; update the live is over thankfully- i hope in the end she is okay, and imma just say, I dont agree with her stance, and thats fine, I hope she atleast learns eventually to take the criticism-]
@buginalabcoat
7 күн бұрын
Thank you for this comment ❤
@bratzz6832
7 күн бұрын
I hope she turns this around and apologizes for peace sake for everyone…. Including herself
@DrawciaGleam02
7 күн бұрын
Wait, what? What do you mean? Uh oh....
@ru1ii1i
7 күн бұрын
TYSMMMMM
@FroggyMushroom
7 күн бұрын
@@DrawciaGleam02she’s currently live right now but only paying subs can talk in the live! I think she might be having a mental breakdown which is worrying and honestly I hope she’ll be ok. She should take a mental health day and just rest.
@juzahyodo
7 күн бұрын
the fact she was so, so adamant about how you shouldn’t listen to creators but educate yourself but then went on to explain why she’s right and you should listen to her is wild. how are you going to tell people not to listen to content creators’ opinions but then insist your opinion is the right, enlightened one when faced with criticism on said opinion. i legitimately think she just doesn’t enjoy seeing herself be criticized and is doubling down to be edgy and a contrarian.
@marshmallow927
5 күн бұрын
@@juzahyodo also her saying everyone criticizing her isn’t a fan or is just a hater is insane. It gives off the vibe that she just wants a fanbase full of yes-men who don’t question anything she says, BUT she also insists that people form their own opinions???? Just really hypocritical and childish:/
@NeonPandaLyrics
7 күн бұрын
Hey its me. Im the Magical Cat Girl. I told her that her response to me wasnt kind or emotionally intelligent to somone who was being respectful to her. And she just posted another hurtful meme image
@NeonPandaLyrics
7 күн бұрын
Im also glad you mentioned the environmental impact. Art theft is an important topic for AI but not enough ppl talk about the environmental DEVASTATION using it causes bc of the amount of energy it requires to run
@peridotpockygod.9080
7 күн бұрын
Imagine giving someone genuine criticism and getting a meme response. Geez. I used to watch her now I think I might just unsubscribe. I hate people who use ai for they own gain.
@Clownin-round
7 күн бұрын
I get the "for myself and my own entertainment" when it comes to stealing and tracing art: since you can use other people's art to practice anatomy or to practice on your style. This doesn't work with AI. The second you save it, it gets put into its algorithm that "hey! People like this! Lets take more things like this!" AI cannot be for just yourself.
@Vesperad0
7 күн бұрын
Yeah, at least tracing has some worth. Not to mention the difference between tracing something for practice, and uploading it while claiming it all to be yours. With ai, there is no difference or worth to begin with.
@a_naotenhonome780
7 күн бұрын
Yeah you are basically helping to train the algorithm with a lot of stolen art. While with tracing you are just using someone art to train your skill with no other consequences involved (of course im only speaking on the case that you keep your traced work private and for study proposes only)
@TirakyneTripleA
7 күн бұрын
I can't believe I used to have this stance… I thought "Maybe if I keep the AI images to myself, then it should be fine to use it for references or a rough idea for the next design that I could hand-draw myself, right?" But now that I think about it, even that is too much. Why? Because at least when it comes to stealing and tracing art from human artists: You can use other people's art to practice anatomy, practice on your style, eyedrop colours, and so on. You can keep it to yourself and nobody would be harmed by it as a result. Sadly, this doesn't work with AI, as the moment you save it, it gets put into its algorithm that will then go: "Hey! People like this! Lets take more things like this!" and further get even more artists harmed like this. AI can't just be for yourself in that regard. I feel bad for having used AI images in the past for references, and even sorrier to the original artists who had their art taken away like this, by this. If only I realised this sooner, then maybe I wouldn't have ended up accidentally contributing to something awful like this by downloading these apps that further promote this activity. Foolish move! At this point, I completely give up. I now find AI too harmful to be used ethically. Some may want to argue about the few positives it has, but the negatives alarmingly outweigh them. And given why they're even used in the first place is mainly because of how they make companies money, right? The longer time goes on, the stronger the evidence and demonstrations that greed is indeed a deadly sin. Who knows? Maybe, we'll get to a future where AI's finally only being trained ethically, but until then, Jeez, I don't even know what to say…
@lucianomialu9079
7 күн бұрын
i feel like blaming the ai is just a gross misconduct on everybody's part. we're acting like the ai is sentient and has an active choice in the matter. we're all hounding on ai, ai, ai, when what we should be hounding on is the people who create and work with the unethical ai. but no. you guys keep on hounding and screeching ai is bad ai is bad when no, ai in of itself is not bad. those who use it unethically are. but we keep getting people like you who just screech the same rhetoric of "ai bad ai bad ai bad" without realizing the deeper issue.
@0mnicorn
6 күн бұрын
What's really heartbreaking is that OwONekko is a black creator (let's talk about it!) and I loved her content because it's rare to see black girls like me succeed and get that coin when it comes to youtube. I was SO PROUD of her and I loved how funny and genuine her content was 😬 now I just feel betrayed.
@OpulentPomegranate
6 күн бұрын
Clock it! Because that part is heartbreaking for me. It’s hard to be taken seriously in a lot of artistic spaces as a black person (let alone a black woman) so this really just adds to that struggle now. I get it, for her it’s not serious and never was, she never asked to be a role model or anything. Her tone has always made that clear but I thought it was more of a character than anything. I see now that’s how she sees most things 🤷🏽♀️
@chaoticcowboy3695
5 күн бұрын
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@bashartz
4 күн бұрын
@@peanut4668 please with her justifying her transphobia, I was expecting it from miles away. Like it's on the same level as if I, a non-binary queer individual, would justify my racism but when someone uses they/them pronouns for me since they don't know my gender and/or pronouns I'd call them transphobic. I've seen it so many times that it became a MASSIVE red flag for me. Not everyone who criticizes you hates you for something you cannot control. I am sure some of those who harass her are racist or queerphobic (can't say that all of them because I haven't seen it myself and want to keep it that way), but I highly doubt that at the very least 99% of her critics have a problem with her being queer or POC. If they do that's a different story but otherwise, accusing people of of prejudice when no prejudice has been committed is immature. It could be because of her going through an episode like Jouusta claims she was, as someone with BPD myself who goes through episodes it can be a possibility and honestly I wish her the best. I might disagree with her but she deserves to be healthy and well like the rest of us.
@siphona_will_eat_you
2 күн бұрын
Womp womp that’s what happens when you put people on a pedestal for diversity sake only, they will disappoint you.
@cyanity1017
7 күн бұрын
Literally the only gray area i can see for ai art is just if it's to make a concept of something like a character design or setting. Not use it to replace the art or to post it and claim it as your own, TO USE AS A CONCEPT AND DRAW THE ACTUAL SETTING OR OC YOURSELF. I can admit that sometimes you can get good concepts from it, hell the whole stealing ai ocs and the ocs looking amazing despite originally being generated by ai before the artist redrew them is proof of that! But, nobody is using ai for that purpose, they're using it to either claim it's their own art or in even worse cases using it to fake stuff like immoral art or nudes for blackmail. we are very far from ai art just being silly fun, it's gotten to the point where it's actually harming artists both financially and reputationally.
@willowtreeyt244
6 күн бұрын
See I like this point because I do use Ai to help with giving me ideas for parts out outfits on characters sometimes. But that's it. I use it the same I would any other references. Take one or two small bits I like and then combine it with smth else. Like sometimes idk what colour to dress a character in so I ask for the outfit without specifying colour. I don't ever claim it as my own and it never makes it past the references. I can't draw for crap so it's helpful for me but that's all it is, an assist to get me started when I genuinely have no idea what to do. I would never, ever use it to design a full outfit or character. That just seems immoral to me as the character is never going to come out as good that way.
@fading_daylight2010
4 күн бұрын
Exactly, if I have an idea for a character, I put it in an AI so I can get a general idea of what I want the character to look like, and then I draw the character myself.
@bashartz
4 күн бұрын
I am DYING to develop an AI like that but instead of using stable diffusion or other shit, I make it from the ground up using real photoshoots of people and environments that are either public domain or made by me - and instead of image generation the AI just uses 3D models like mannequins or simple shapes to give you a structure of the idea for character poses and environments (respectively) which you can view from all directions. Like, THIS SHIT. THAT sounds so fucking useful. I'm waiting till I'm done with my major first but that's my go-to project for uni
@Nerodotnet
Күн бұрын
@@bashartzgenuinely please remind me of this comment if you can make that happen
@audreyluan5325
19 сағат бұрын
@bashartz this is an awesome way to use AI. Please let me know if you get started on this!
@IroiRo_owo-_P
7 күн бұрын
Me: -Gets really into a content creator -Watches their videos for hours every single day -They turn out to be childish and disrespectful towards the people that are actually trying to help them Like i don't even know what to do anymore and why does it always happen with the people i respected and looked up to the most wth😭😭
@snowpawwildcraft6276
7 күн бұрын
The most frustrating thing has to be the little army of yes-men and loyal followers that attack you whenever you criticize one thing they do lmao
@IroiRo_owo-_P
7 күн бұрын
@@snowpawwildcraft6276 yeah😭 like just cause you're a fan doesn't mean that you have to become blind and ignore everything wrong these people do, just let them go it's not that your life depends on them or something 😭😭
@snowpawwildcraft6276
7 күн бұрын
@@IroiRo_owo-_P exactly. Plus if anything, if it's someone I follow and consider myself a 'fan' of, I'm more critical of their actions, not less
@user-vf6bd7ke6x
7 күн бұрын
YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS
@Midnightlunar10
7 күн бұрын
I wonder which creator I like is gonna turn out to be extremely disrespectful next month!
@eausterberry
7 күн бұрын
I was ready to be like "well by 'fun' she probably means that she isn't profitting off it so it's different from commercial use" and then you brought up the monetized playlist and THAT went out the window
@lambybunny7173
7 күн бұрын
Yeah. I genuinely don't see much wrong morally with using AI for personal use. Environmentally there's definitely concerns there. But morally it's very hard to see the "but it stealing!!" argument work when it's applied to something like... someone doing a private D&D game and having an AI generated monster. Or making funny AI generated SpongeBob voice clips to share with some friends. It becomes a problem to me when it's used maliciously/commercially, which is what was done here.
@BookWormYuri
7 күн бұрын
Honestly ai was better when it was worse, like dall-e. Ai should only been made to help, not replace anything.
@Someoneonceagain
7 күн бұрын
@@BookWormYuriRemember when the most coherent sentences AI could make was on Eviebot where literally nothing made sense? I miss those days
@BookWormYuri
6 күн бұрын
@@Someoneonceagain I MISS THAT SO MUCH, WHY ARE WE USING CHAT GPT TO FINISH AND EVEN MAKE ASSIGNMENTS
@emmasaurt
7 күн бұрын
I saw that vid pop up on my timeline (I didn’t watch) i didn’t expect their stance to be that strange??? (also their post on twitter what the hell???)
@Nyxx0010
7 күн бұрын
Hii love your art
@blubsoup
7 күн бұрын
if she's going to start a conversation about AI (and there's no way she doesn't know its issues) she has the right to express her opinions on it, but to put her opinion on a stage and refuse to hear out any others? its no wonder she got such a reaction.
@Megolsky
7 күн бұрын
Correct. I also don’t see a problem in ai usage and think that all the immorality arguments are logical fallacies, but listening to arguments and thinking about whether they have a point or not is crucial in every conversation, ESPECIALLY in moral and ethical questions.
@raineatscheese
7 күн бұрын
@@Megolskyi honestly don’t mind ai art, i mind the fact that it steals from artists without asking and is beating out REAL people in art contests. still, i am willing to hear out both sides as long as they’re respectful and not ignorant.
@lucianomialu9079
7 күн бұрын
i don't blame her when there's people in this very comment section being all up in arms, berating and insulting her, being incredibly rude, and the same woman who made this video with the express words that she wasn't trying to be mean to nekko, hearted said comments. who would listen to people who don't actually have their best interests? who would listen to people who don't want to listen in the first place, and instead are already biased?
@raineatscheese
6 күн бұрын
@@lucianomialu9079 if you’re going to put a controversial opinion on the internet, it’s a bit childish to delete and block all comments disagreeing with you, no?
@lucianomialu9079
6 күн бұрын
@@raineatscheese it is, sure, but not necessarily when most of the comments disagreeing choose to insult demean or mock in some fashion. Who’s gonna listen to that?
@avianlord2779
7 күн бұрын
Welp she turned the comments off. I feel like that speaks VOLUMES. Edit: People online replying to arguments with just "try coping" is an instant fail for me. If thats your only response, then its clear you know for a fact that you dont actually HAVE an argument.
@Vesperad0
7 күн бұрын
Even if their point is right/they have a point, it still shows they got their opinion from someone else and couldn't expand on it. It's not even like getting your opinions from someone else is bad, that's how humans develop ideas, but the inability to expand on it and relying on the same three sentences? At least try a little harder.
@snowpawwildcraft6276
7 күн бұрын
Exactly. And referring to all criticism as 'drama' also says a lot
@phantomeowz
7 күн бұрын
did you read the description of that video?
@Azur3ite
7 күн бұрын
She turned it off cs in the video she literally said she wants people to form their own opinions and that she’s turning it off so you don’t go to the comments to see how others react to it 😭
@avianlord2779
7 күн бұрын
@@Azur3ite genuinely, when has anyone ever said something like that in complete seriousness? She gives you all of this unresearched, uninformed, COMPLETELY baseless reasons that she PERSONALLY likes ai. No reasons or sources as to why it should be good or bad. If she wanted people to form their own opinions, she'd give a rundown of both sides of the arguments with sources. Not a virtual hug box for herself.
@indigo1180
7 күн бұрын
Nekko telling her audience to not parrot influencers and form their own opinions, only to trash anyone/everyone who disagreed with her really bothered me.
@wartygourd
3 күн бұрын
as someone who also goes by he/they pronouns, hearing that she's made the conscious decision to continue to misgender this creator is heartbreaking. i hate that she's not talking criticism and just thinks that people are trying to cancel her or whatever or at the very least, she says that people wanna make drama out of it. like...girl. you're ("you" as in Nondi) the one making drama out of it! and she's so disrespectful as well! i used to be subscribed to her but i unfollowed a few weeks ago (not because of this video but for other reasons).
@wartygourd
3 күн бұрын
also, of course i don't like her stance on AI. this thing i mentioned was just something else on top of what she's been doing and saying that really got under my skin.
@whatisthis1958
14 сағат бұрын
What are the pronouns of this creator? I can't find it on their page and I don't wanna accidentally misgender them (idk if they say later in the video or not cos I'm still at the start of the vid lol)
@wartygourd
14 сағат бұрын
@@whatisthis1958 he/they
@whatisthis1958
14 сағат бұрын
@@wartygourd thanks!
@wartygourd
14 сағат бұрын
@@whatisthis1958 np ✌🏽
@theodddoggo
7 күн бұрын
for people who dont have the Return KZitem Dislike plugin, the original response video is currently sitting at 2.4K dislikes and the AI playlist is at 1.8K dislikes. also, the fact that she turned off the comments section in that video is ironic. preventing people from having an active discussion in your comments about the subject you're discussing limits critical thinking and keeps people from forming an opinion of their own. how can you advocate for forming your own opinions when you make your voice the loudest?
@SKIBIDIBOPMMDADA333
7 күн бұрын
As a fellow artist myself I really despise generative AI, the idea that companies are spending billions on a technology designed to replace artists from doing a job THEY LOVE really makes my blood boil (Also great vid I love your content 😊)
@raineatscheese
7 күн бұрын
Seriously! If companies could just PAY people, that would help artists across the world SO MUCH!! The fact that suddenly when artists get the ability to start profiting comfortably off their work they’re now being replaced and laid off… it just makes me so upset :(
@SKIBIDIBOPMMDADA333
7 күн бұрын
Ehi at least we got the huge W of the Procreate CEO publicly stating generative AI sucks lmao
@ter-teir
7 күн бұрын
this is so upsetting i just wanna say thank you for covering this I would have never known this if I hadn't seen your video I think you gave great arguments I really hope owonekko can grow but in the end growing may not be enough
@its_not_akio_
7 күн бұрын
Agree
@filipemartinho1753
4 күн бұрын
Her livestream thumbnail really frames her as a respectable and agreeable person 👍
@BlackDogsAndLadybugs
4 күн бұрын
Right? I'm so so glad she's been able to stay mature about things, and actually take accountability.
@sabrinaibrahim9942
7 күн бұрын
When AI art just started me and my brother used for fun because we thought it was funny because it looked kinda goofy but then I learn how AI steals from REAL artist and harm it's has done. OwONekko need to understand that even if she meant no harm she cause harm and apologise. I delete the app and stopped. It weird how people can't admit their mistakes.
@Smug-Smirk
Күн бұрын
How's AI learning from art any different than humans learning from art? You've seen countless artworks in your lifetime and your brain subconsciously stores data for them too, so are you stealing as well?
@w0rmsinger
7 күн бұрын
Why does her “fun” get to be more important than the systematic harm of AI??
@luck2085
7 күн бұрын
Man I’m just tired of people profiting off of stealing people’s art. I’m always scared that I come off as too passionate and too serious about the subject of AI use, but I am actually sick of it. I really want artists to have so many opportunities, but they are actively being erased and taken by ai and it just sucks. As an artist, I can’t see ai art as being beneficial to artistic expression at all, especially since it is taking people’s jobs and passions away.
@patchespatchii
3 күн бұрын
OwONekko: I don't like drama Also OwONekko: "Accidentally" misgenders a creator and deletes comments correcting her, makes a whole entire video because of one criticism, pulls the race card against jousta for making a video disagreeing with her Yeahh, Nekko is just acting like a child in this situation for some reason 😭
@juliee4753
6 күн бұрын
Her whole “I’m just having fun and being authentic with AI. Why are y’all like this?” reminds me of Kim K’s “I’ve just lost my diamond earrings” and our response to that is literally Kourtney’s “Kim, there are people that are dying”. Yeah the situation is giving tone-deaf.
@meowmeowmeowmeowcatoncomputer
3 күн бұрын
Please do not use AI as a "reference". Especially for anatomy. Even beyond the "fingers", AI is not human and thus cannot study anatomy. It can only recreate anatomy from several sources and it is almost 100% wrong. There are several wonderful websites that have human models from all different angles to use. Line of Action and Human Anatomy for Artists (both have nude models, just to be clear. It is not s*xual in nature, it's figure drawing) Same applies to clothing. Cultural clothing especially. There is a huge google doc with references and links for cultural clothing (which I cannot post the link for, YT deletes comments with links) and there is no reason why you should use AI to study from. It will hurt your art skills in the long run.
@bluesdayhasyt2464
6 күн бұрын
She deleted her livestream vod because 90% of the comments were critical of her actions. Her response basically was: “people are attacking me for nothing, they are so dramatic” not at ALL acknowledging her mistakes. It’s ridiculous.
@KittyPlays4Evry1
6 күн бұрын
She even doubled down on the transphobia, still not using the correct pronouns and saying it was okay to misgender someone if you don't like them
@bluesdayhasyt2464
6 күн бұрын
@@KittyPlays4Evry1 Didn’t know she went THAT far. What in the world is up with her?
@KittyPlays4Evry1
6 күн бұрын
@@bluesdayhasyt2464She mentioned in one of her many rants that she has bipolar disorder. Idk how true that is but it's clear from my personal experience that she's dealing with delusions and a major spike in narcissistic tendencies. Some people have also mentioned she has appeared mentally unwell for a bit in previous videos so she could just be suffering from some mental break. Of course it's not an excuse for her behavior, her actions and words have been hurtful and downright bigoted, but it would explain this downward spiral she's put herself in
@marysue3927
7 күн бұрын
Basically saying "Y'all are not my fans because you don't agree with every single thing I think of" is kinda... a gross way of thinking. Yikes. Hoping this is just something she said out of passion, rather than how she actually thinks. I liked this artist, had no idea that ANY of this stuff was happening. I'm disappointed.
@TBG1
7 күн бұрын
Time to unsubscribe from another artist. I ain't followin transphobes as a trans person lmao
@St311a0ctangu1a
7 күн бұрын
Same😭😭
@CherryStarFox
7 күн бұрын
I’m less than half way through the video, but as a fellow trans guy, HUH?! Please tell me you’re joking- I recently found OwONecko’s videos and tend to listen to them in the background… Maybe I watched some of the AI videos and wasn’t paying attention sob. I’m so disappointed.
@its_not_akio_
7 күн бұрын
Same…
@its_not_akio_
7 күн бұрын
@@CherryStarFoxagree
@TBG1
7 күн бұрын
@@CherryStarFox DUDE, THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT I DID
@Bit_Froggr
5 күн бұрын
Dude it just got so much worst 😭
@Bit_Froggr
5 күн бұрын
I would say check out her new stream but I don’t even want to support her
@loop-sie1121
5 күн бұрын
bro that livestream thumbnail is actually submentally deranged
@rebelliouscottoncandy
7 күн бұрын
I didn’t know any of this was going on and I adore owoNekko’s art and personality. It’s one thing to have an opinion on things but it’s another to make fun or just straight up ignore people that have different opinions and try to educate you. I don’t think Im going to follow her anymore after this.
@snowpawwildcraft6276
7 күн бұрын
Exactly. Opening a discussion is alright but claiming all criticism is 'drama' is another, I was a fan too and I low-key was a bit disappointed, even on the misgendering thing because I'm trans and it just rubbed me the wrong way
@sleepy.timaeus.arts.
7 күн бұрын
i also didnt know any of this was going on!! at first when YT loaded up with the thumbnail i was excited thinking there was a new owonekko video or even a collab between owo and jouusta! and then i read the thumbnail and title in horror 😞 owo’s videos were a bit of an inspiration to me too, and this is just so disappointing to hear about :/
@lexx1745
7 күн бұрын
Same here, I loved her redesign videos ever since she uploaded her first helluva boss human designs. Even if I disagreed with a few opinions here and there, I still enjoyed her fun personality and editing, as well as watching her art process. After learning about how she’s responded to people criticizing her, I don’t think I can follow her anymore either.
@phantomeowz
7 күн бұрын
when did she ever make fun of or ignore people that have different opinions?
@iknowwhatyouare102
6 күн бұрын
@@phantomeowz Did you watch the video?
@yuko6378
6 күн бұрын
The creator who made the comment was extremely respectful. I hate AI being labeled as art, because it ISN'T. But to actively misgender someone because they have a different opinion is so wild.
@snailmap2656
7 күн бұрын
3:33 > gets the most mild, non hostile and perfectly reasonable piece of criticism from someone with a bigger audience > "BIG, MASSIVE, ASTRONOMICAL creators NEED to stop doing this!!!! Dont let these art MEANIES BULLY you out if being YOURSELF. Heres my 30 minute video about how the real problem with ai is the people who think its wrong to use technology that scapes peoples hard work without permission or credit"
@Alexandriakingoftrash
5 күн бұрын
One of the reasons I first subscribed to OwONekko was because she was promoting anti-Ai websites that you could share art on. Watching this video was like a fever dream in this context. I wonder wtf happened for her to flip, or if she always had this stance and I just never noticed.
@PoisonDistilled
6 күн бұрын
"yuo're not my fans because you disagree with me" is a wild ass take
@Topdb.8007
7 күн бұрын
It really disappoints me not only as an artist but a black creator who rarely sees black artists thrive n shit like this. I really love her art and her design work is beautiful i cannot deny that or use it in past tense it IS gorgeous n her humor has never failed for me- I don’t even mind the stance on ai that much I can see how it can be used as a tool- maybe not as much as she did but I understand it. Like for reference, it’s not exactly perfect now but- maybe you can’t find the exact position you need for reference and photo bashing doesn’t workout the way you need or taking a photo of yourself can’t be used because you’re a faceless creator or something.. I can see how ai could help with that. But the fact she is playing victim and ignoring everyone while saying SHES being ignored irks me to the core… and on top of that the unbothered transphobia makes me nauseous as a trans dude myself. I really hope she acknowledges it but in all honesty I don’t think she will. I fully think she’ll continue on and not see any issue with what she did especially since she has a support system like her partner that believes the same thing. So either this will keep going until it’s all forgotten and ppl forget and she’s making new content or she’s wrecked her channels reputation and it crashes and burns. 🤷🏽
@OpulentPomegranate
7 күн бұрын
*inserts Tyra Banks meme*
@DeletedCharacter
3 күн бұрын
Actually watching this and seeing how respectful they were and how this person was actually a fan of hers makes the live stream look so SO much worse.
@MangoMagica
7 күн бұрын
I'm a trans man. I go by he/they pronouns. I've also been a fan of Nondi's videos because I thought she had a fun personality and liked her art. I am so freakin disappointed in not only her AI stance, but also because of her transphobia. I had to pause the video when I got to that point.
@MangoMagica
6 күн бұрын
I never said that…?
@grimbluesins
6 күн бұрын
@@Influence417what on god’s green earth are you saying 😭
@decodas
5 күн бұрын
@@Influence417 Bro half of your comments here are telling trans people how to feel about this, literally just listen to trans people it’s not that difficult 💀
@MangoMagica
5 күн бұрын
Bro was literally putting words in my mouth. I don't get how me expressing disappointment in a creator I thought had a cute art style and a fun personality made me melodramatic like what in the fuck?
@marieharriet6918
3 күн бұрын
пезды поехавшие тупорылые, хоть обпронаунся сидя в интернетике, как была женщиной так и останешься. и все на самом деле знают кто есть кто, просто лижут зады поехавшим гендерным сектантам
@LadyMajolish
7 күн бұрын
Bro what do these artists see in this generative ai as “art” like I all I see is an image generator that somehow gets the basic anatomy like the hands wrong 😭🙏
@crystalcrusader8832
7 күн бұрын
The fact that Adobe is stealing art from the people that PAY THEM TO MAKE ART is *FUCKING. NUTTY.* THANKS ADOBE! I LOVE BEING BOTH THE CUSTOMER *AND* THE PRODUCT!
@clouddiee
7 күн бұрын
16:45 saying "im just selling the entertainment!" is like stealing a car, taking people out on a car pool, the police find you and arrest you and you say "but they're having such a great time thoo!! i only stole it so they can have fun!!!" ... YOU STILL STOLE THE CAR 😭😭
@admeliora6226
5 күн бұрын
coming from her live just now. this whole thing is so weirdly blown out of proportion (mainly by her it seems). i feel bad for any hate shes getting but the way she blames yall in her community post is wild. someone leaving a comment =/= sending hordes of haters her way edit: not the first live, she just had another one drawing comments with a thumbnail of this video that implies its racist
@Kawaiipony_Productions
7 күн бұрын
This is just really sad for me to see since I was actually one of the people who got one of those stupid wojack responses from her (I was the person in 20:17), and I saw her starting to do the same for other people. I feel like if she just made the video and stopped there, this situation wouldn't be as bad. But with how she has reacted, it made me lose all respect for her. I was having a little benefit of the doubt before she responded to me, hoping she was still somewhat uneducated on the harm of AI. It really sucks to see cause I really liked her artwork and videos before all of this happened...
@valice_vecs7616
7 күн бұрын
Well this is disappointing. I really like Nondi’s redesign videos, and she always seems like such a fun, chill person. I only started watching her videos recently but with ai support and transphobia being things she’s apparently ok with I think it’s time to unsub :/
@Eeeg_yea
7 күн бұрын
wait what TRANSPHOBIA????? WHERE???? SOMEONE INFORM ME
@Sh1nobu-k1b
7 күн бұрын
@@Eeeg_yea at 22:39
@Eeeg_yea
7 күн бұрын
@@Sh1nobu-k1b damn. dammmit.
@BOO13FRI
7 күн бұрын
Wow, I can be fine with the AI thing but the way she’s so fine with MISGENDERING someone because they’re saying she’s wrong? Wow, new low
@Eeeg_yea
7 күн бұрын
@@BOO13FRI Exactly
@daydreams4232
4 күн бұрын
Just wanna say that this was an incredibly well made video and critique. It's absolutely atrocious Nondi's response to this video, or at least the thumbnail as I certainly won't support that sort of behavior. But, I think you have and continue to handle yourself well. This was my first video of yours but I am looking forward to exploring your other videos :3
@daydreams4232
4 күн бұрын
oh!!! no it wasn't, you did the sunset shimmer equestria girls redesign. I adore that design oh my gosh
@chemicalclovers
5 күн бұрын
Subscribing just because this is like THE most respectful and kind commentary video I've ever seen. As someone who was a former fan of owonekko (and even agrees with SOME of her points on ai), seeing her react to criticism so immaturely is disappointing. I hope she takes a solid break from the internet and gets her mental health back on track.
@alice_mation
7 күн бұрын
"wanted people to see my humour" that was made by AI...using stolen work....which she monetized. The idea isn't the creative part. Anyone can have an idea, and many can have the same idea but how they execute it is the key 'creative process' if you will. You can't be your "authentic self" if something else is deciding how your ideas look. Also a lot of text book manipulation going on.
@irlgf
7 күн бұрын
Art, REAL art, and individuality share an undeniable and indelible link- you cannot have one without the other. When you tread the path of a creative, you’re taking from all around you and what you’ve experienced up until the very moment you place your hand on the pen and begin to paint the picture in your mind. Other art you’ve witnessed growing up, things you’ve come to love, things you hate, every little piece of it on your journey shapes the work you make, sifting through your life to blend in the things you want and discarding what you don’t to make something holistically *your* own life. You can replicate a style should you wish, but it will never be one to one, because an art style is a personal culmination of your life to that point and a love letter to everything you’ve seen that’s touched it and left an impact on you. Ai replicates, it blends what it sees from various sources to cobble together an image, but it lacks that distinct, human emotion of dislike. Ai when “making” art cannot turn it’s nose up, cannot reject what it sees, and mixes what it’s told to mix in it’s programming without picking apart what it’d specifically deem as bad, because it’s not us. Every copy of an AI art program is like a soldier, it will follow what it’s told to the letter even if the result comes out putrid and lacking in thought because it’s job is not to feel, it’s job is to listen. When you, when WE as people make art- even when taking commissions, we take small liberties where we can and add our own flair, because to be human is to say “I was here” in all we make.
@Acorn905
5 күн бұрын
Call me a "woke blue haired gen z" or something but her disrespecting that youtubers pronouns when her fans where trying to correct her was kinda the final straw for me :( Now im upset because i dont really want to watch her videos cus of this but i found her suler fun it's just hard to enjoy that now if she was rude to her fans and defended AI then called her fans who disagreed with her "haters" feels so petty 😭
@stupidheadwisp
5 күн бұрын
if u enjoy her humor I recommend degenerocity and ggrimey
@BlackDogsAndLadybugs
5 күн бұрын
Who's here after the livestream...
@4gntm0th
5 күн бұрын
Me! Genuinely this is so fucked up I seriously think Nondi should step away from the internet because that stream [for the amount of time I've been in] was just... yikes
@BreadBush
7 күн бұрын
Art is defined as "the expression or aplication of human creativity or skill" AI art literaly isnt even art, no human means it doesnt even make the bare minimum of being considered art
@kyraarts
7 күн бұрын
But humans created AI
@BreadBush
7 күн бұрын
@@kyraarts Thats like saying using a calculator is the same thing as knowing time tables by heart because a human made the algorithm in the calculator Just as using a calculator isnt the same as human intelect, using AI isnt the same as making art If AI can be an artist then a calculator can be a mathematician
@allien.777
5 күн бұрын
jokes on her cause i didnt know this vid existed till i saw that extremely distasteful thumbnail. think you summed up everything really well, i hope youre doing mentally okay too in the wake of this whole weird thing 😭
@frootsnacc6790
7 күн бұрын
Knowing who the creator she’s talking about was(won’t say who cuz you didn’t say so respect) I’m just bewildered; like this creator is one of the nicest and most passionate members in the art community (and has openly shared that they’re non-binary) so both the disrespect *and* the misgendering rubs me off the wrong way
@zykx10
5 күн бұрын
The stream she just made made me cringe😭
@pineapplepen9791
2 күн бұрын
I SEARCHED HER UP AND SAW THE STREAM LIKE WHAAAAT??? Your thumbnail and hers just shows how immature she is
@SamSandwichs
2 күн бұрын
Yeah, I also heard that during the stream she said something about concept artists not being needed anymore bc of AI, and yelling and being insensitive
@pineapplepen9791
Күн бұрын
@@SamSandwichs she needs to calm down 😢
@Space-Milk
7 күн бұрын
Yikes, didn't finish yet but im already anxious because i look up a lot to her art 💔😬
@its_not_akio_
7 күн бұрын
Same
@starscorner5519
7 күн бұрын
You can still look up to her art yk
@anaserratails4892
7 күн бұрын
@@starscorner5519 Sadly, some people can't separate the art from the artist. It's not for everyone (• ▽ •;)
@danielle3277
7 күн бұрын
@@starscorner5519then again, there is also that one qoute that goes “ you can’t separate the art from the artist “ 🥲
@pontikos_XD
7 күн бұрын
I didn't even wanna watch the whole yap I just unsubscribed 💀
@Vissorilio
4 күн бұрын
Oh nah she did not just play the race care on you, apperntly disagreeing is racist now.
@Jmyth14
2 күн бұрын
the fact she called you racist for THIS is actually so stupid😭 like what did you do wrong, your saying the truth
@OG.StrawberryGoat
5 күн бұрын
People have started analyzing her game and supposedly they found ai art in it
@ayoutubechannel8598
5 күн бұрын
She used ai to make it, she mentioned it in one her shorts
@OG.StrawberryGoat
5 күн бұрын
@@ayoutubechannel8598 That's honestly so insane to hear and truly disappointing. Ngl I was just idle following her content and liked her stuff from time to time but never saw how entangled with ai she was
@THENOEYEDGIRL_
3 күн бұрын
her response to this video literally proved that you were completely right about her not wanting to think critically about this lmao. so disappointing to see
@Legendofzeldalover69
7 күн бұрын
i used to love watching OwOnekko s videos but her stance on AI and responses is sosososo frustrating to me as a fellow artist! so disappointing to see her reaction to all of this, it made me really sad. Thank you for talking about it! makes me have faith in humanity again😭🙏really appreciated this thank you!!!
@haliamyx
4 күн бұрын
I love the ai-loving crowd calling artists ignorant and yet THEIR the ones who have no clue how ai works, artists have to do research and look into it and now ai better than the people who use it just to be met with a "nu-uh," its like arguing with children.
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