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@johnpaul5474
5 жыл бұрын
"In existing criminology there are concepts: a criminal man, a criminal profession, a criminal society, a criminal sect, and a criminal tribe, but there is no concept of a criminal state, or a criminal government, or criminal legislation. Consequently what is often regarded as 'political' activity is in fact a criminal activity." From "The Fourth Way." P.D. Ouspensky, 1932.
@epiphanyx3705
Жыл бұрын
Top comment 🎉🎉🎉
@shaunfinnigan4956
4 ай бұрын
Now we have Narco-states and governments pursuing illegal nuclear capabilities, and many countries who pass legislation that the western world considers to be criminal. And they are punished in the same way that they would punish normal criminality, by using their monopoly of violence. Evidence of us slowly moving towards a one world governance, for better or worse.
@shaunfinnigan4956
4 ай бұрын
Also its more a comment on the short sightedness of the study of criminology, rather than some metaphysical definition.
@shaunfinnigan4956
4 ай бұрын
Defining something as criminal always has to be directed at an other
@mrnobodyz
5 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyable talk, thank you Jeffrey Mishlove and Gary Lachlan. I am only halfway through will finish later... reading some of the nit picking comments makes me relieved I only learned to read aged 10 and left school at 14. Just wanted to say I became aware of Ouspensky and Gurdiijeff in my early twenties thanks to Colin Wilson and always felt a strong affinity towards their ideas especially Gurdiijeff but I still managed to fall asleep aged about 27 and didn't wake up again till I was about 49 call it self self hypnosis or call it lying to yourself either way it seems to me it is definitely part of the human condition and takes a lot of effort to remain self aware and is a lifetimes work, well At least in my case. Thanks again. The sound isn't too bad and that is coming from someone who is usually quite fussy about that kind of thing. Onwards and Upwards!
@eyeswidered8517
5 жыл бұрын
nice when the universe speaks! been doing a Gurdjieff search the past couple days and finally some new content to the rare category
@johnpaul5474
5 жыл бұрын
"Eyebrows were raised over Aleister Crowley's brief, touristy visit to le Prieure in July 1926. Crowley, a self-professsed black magician, acknowledged to some of the others that Gurdjieff was 'a great adept.' According to James Moore's biography of Gurdjieff, and other sources, Crowley was heard to tell one of the boys at the chateau that he was 'teaching his own son to be a devil.' Getting wind of this, Gurdjieff called the boy over and spoke to him privately, and the boy thereafter pointedly ignored Crowley. When Crowley prepared to catch a train to Paris, Gurdjieff coolly confirmed his going--so that he was not obligated to be polite to him as a host anymore--and then raged at him: 'You dirty inside! Go! Never come back!" Crowley is said to have left white-faced and shaking." Quote from page 252, "GURDJIEFF/An Introduction to His Life and Ideas," by John Shirley, 2004.
@LilyGazou
5 жыл бұрын
John Paul another book for my reading list. Thanks.
@johnpaul5474
5 жыл бұрын
@@LilyGazou Thank you, Lily.
@bigbri44
5 жыл бұрын
wow thanks for sharing
@johnpaul5474
5 жыл бұрын
@@bigbri44 You're welcome. I read the book years ago, but that interesting anecdote stayed in my mind.
@magicruss1
5 жыл бұрын
You are mixing two seperate visits up,the first visit is in Fritz Peters book and also C.S.Notts book.The second visit is the one where Crowley was asked to leave,this episode is actually originally from a book by James Webb and is actually completely made up,Gurdjieff was actually in the USA at the time of the visit,Frank Pinder took charge of the group in Gurdjieff`s absence,don`t believe everything you read
@prospero6337
5 жыл бұрын
By the full content of this interview, with all of its side ornaments, again,really gives high credence to Gary Lachman. He with this interview has truly become one of my heroes of which there are few... I just love the encyclopedic continuity, and the throw away lines of intimate insights that give shape, mortar, and guidance to the line. I alway watch his stuff twice. It would be great for the two of you to collaborate on a UG Krishnamurti....call it “UGK in 200 Pages”. More ?...Less ?....Why? ;>
@bornuponawave
3 жыл бұрын
Is Mishlove the most pleasant person ever?
@blackplague-x3y
9 ай бұрын
Jeffrey Mishlove is fantastic interviewer! He actual lets people talk and doesnt interject a bunch of half-baked opinions. And he is terse and to the point with meaningful questions.
@jamespage7731
4 жыл бұрын
When I wrote the last comment I as not finished listening to the video and it never fails to amaze me in spite of what I understand of the Gurdjieff work how anyone especially someone who as Lachmann said had been it for sometime could not fail to appreciate as fundamental what Gurdjieff was doing was to blend, to harmonize the three lower aspects of ourselves so we would be able to develop enough attention to then develop ourselves authentically. To be interested just intellectually in ideas was not enough and in fact made on psycho-spiritually unbalanced. The hall=mark of modern Western European Man is the elevation of the intellect over emotion and instinct. And we are not experiencing the collapse of that fundamental mistake.
@real_Gi
Жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say that I love that you are still using the same intro music. Love your interviews. They helped me so much in my life. Thank you very much Mr. Mishlove.
@Dolphn-Productions
5 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a book written by Gary regarding all the Cults of Personality that have developed over the last one hundred years.
@aphysique
5 жыл бұрын
That would interesting to say the least!
@MissAllanPoe1988
5 жыл бұрын
Never heard Dr. Mishlove curse before...mind BLOWN
@panlan1
5 жыл бұрын
i thought it was extremely excellent..it was cathartic like he took a a couple of hockey sticks and knocked the puck right out into the net..made me laugh for crying out loud..sometimes, as a matter of course, common language familiar to mass appeal is the most eloquent means of communicating...i guess what i am attempting to relate is akin to something like; the effectiveness of the expression....haha;
@DorothyGTyas
5 жыл бұрын
LOL....🍃❣🍃
@drawingdownthestars
5 жыл бұрын
So excited for this! You and Gary always have the best discussions.
@taikaitaylor9298
5 жыл бұрын
Love your energy Jeffrey!!
@AlfredoLopez-do5ed
Жыл бұрын
Thank you both for a stimulating conversation. After spending 10 years in the Work, I largely agree with the views shared by Lachman.
@URGettingSleepy
5 жыл бұрын
the sound quality was fine for me (no echo0. the content of this interview was excellent. I've read much of what you touched on so it brought back a lot. thanks so much! I wonder if you could do another one with Gary on the content of Ouspensky's (Gurdieff's) teachings and not their lives (although their lives and interconnections re fascinating too). thanks.
@LilyGazou
5 жыл бұрын
Marianne Gillis I second that.
@124Outdoor
3 жыл бұрын
The spin-off literature from Lachman's 'Beyond the Robot' is astounding. I must have read 15 books whist reading it - so far. I'm not yet half way. It's a cool trip.
@QED_
5 жыл бұрын
1:17:06 Yes, that's the mystery. Why did Gurdjieff never succeed in bringing even ONE student up to his own level of Being (?) Ouspensky may not have been a perfect student . . . but he was correct in saying that there was something missing in Gurdjieff's teaching.
@YouDroolIRULE
Ай бұрын
Conman.. 😂 delusions of grandeur, essentially atheist, liked NPCs with money and weird socialites whom were corrupting society around him, lacked integrity and resolve, not a true warrior not wanting that in his students, refused to codify anything making students dependent and submitting to only him, potentially controlled oppo kgb agent.
@martin36369
5 жыл бұрын
Many "I's" has its roots in an allegorical interpretation of Plato's cave & the ship of state/fools , an allegorical interpretation of the tower of Babel, David Hume's bundle theory of self, Nietzsche's the mind as multiplicity an aggregation of intertwined psychological entities, William James pluralistic theory of the normal self & his "The Self & its Selves"
@newdawnrising8110
5 жыл бұрын
There is real knowledge and persons of a very high being still in the work today. Also at the end of his life O. was telling his students to seek the source of the work on Mt. Athos. This very fine point is often forgotten or overlooked.
@cloudsteps
3 жыл бұрын
I’d like to read about ouspenskys last quotes, especially about something that specific, whose account of him are you quoting?
@clarekuehn4372
5 жыл бұрын
Such a wonderful way to learn! Thanks.
@davidskelly6496
2 жыл бұрын
Boris Mouravieff in his three volume work "Gnosis" expands on the teaching of Ouspensky and Gurdjieff. "Mouravieff was an enigmatic "third man", known to Gurdjieff and Ouspensky, who found and learned to practice what he clearly believed to be the complete system of which only "fragments" had been previously published in Ouspensky's "In Search of the Miraculous"."
@ographer1
2 жыл бұрын
And M clearly pointed to the Orthodox Church and especially the liturgy as the resovoir from which the fullest expression of these fragments still overflows. Did you find this?
@blackplague-x3y
9 ай бұрын
If you lived by such a "system", wouldn't you be just as mechanical? A system for life? It sounds like a dellusion.
@martin36369
5 жыл бұрын
Whether it "Works" is of the highest importance, but I think it doesn't have to be a case of "Either/Or", it can also be a case of "Both/&", so the historical context can have value as well!
@adipoem
2 жыл бұрын
Self-remembering is the power of now!
@gratefulkm
11 ай бұрын
nope, nothing at all to do with that Its remembering your childhood Specifically all the memoires before the age of 7
@qalbiwilson574
4 жыл бұрын
Kind of funny, about ten years ago I read Beelzebub’s Tales and couldn’t put it down. Enjoyed it a lot but didn’t pursue the Work any further. I’ve known a couple of remarkable fourth way folks. and a few very strange adherents. Good show.
@Smokillo
2 жыл бұрын
What were they like ?
@benbishop1131
5 жыл бұрын
Lachman is on fire. So much stuff I gotta listen to these a couple times. Great stuff.
@mortalclown3812
4 жыл бұрын
Gary is truly amazing. Hearing him converse with Jeffrey, who also has an extraordinary mind, almost makes me take notes.
@itsonlyapapermoon61
7 ай бұрын
I spent many, many years deeply reflecting on myself and the universe as a machine. I won't get into the details, but I didn't really have anyone to spar with on this peculiar topic. One night while Watching an olde video from late 1800s , I realized I was in a Machine ,a machine myself, holding a Machine (cell) while watching an anonymous machine(cameraman) holding a video camera ( another machine) filming other Machines(supposed humans). Fractal. Welcome to the Machine The other topic I was obsessed with was Why everyone lies ...You even Lie to Yourself, which is the most annoying...the chronic lying made me not want interact with anyone...tv a lie, coworkers lying all day, husband wives kids the Guvmint, the msm, priests, fake history books...on and on and on...I would get up and ask the universe, why the hell should I even get up, everything here is a pack of frigging lies...so, anyhow I spent years trying to figure out wtf is going on. One day I was walking the dog I stumbled on a book box for kids, I picked up a book. Forgot about it , and one day I opened it read the first page and went into shock. It said we need to understand why we are Machines and why we need to stop lying!!!!!!!!!! The Fourth Way, what you are where you are and why YOU NEED TO ,STOP LYING AND WAKE THE HELL UP. There are no Coincidences , these are two obscure topics I've never heard anyone speak of.
@winstonschwarz1636
Жыл бұрын
Can Gary turn the reverb down a wee bit?
@lewisalmeida3495
5 жыл бұрын
To understand Gurdjieff please go to WayofSpinoza.com as G would say, we need to be involved in a group to wake up, otherwise, we are lying to ourselves.
@richardhall5489
2 жыл бұрын
As in join a group like the Buddha did? ;)
@robertphillips93
4 ай бұрын
Gurdjieff himself was always playing a role, appropriate or otherwise, as required by the situation. This was also his advice for others -- "Inwardly not identified, outwardly playing role." So austerity or grim seriousness was never required per se. On the contrary, as Ouspensky notes in Fragments, G says "what good is it to be serious about something trivial? " (BTW, Gary omits to account for Gurdjieff's "accident" with a cause described by Ouspensky in Fragments as "fate") Ouspensky, on the other hand, was as Russian as any other intelligentsic could be -- and that includes a big dose of Orthodox Christianity. As disciplined as he was, there may have been something there that was not reconcilable. Or maybe he could not find in himself the capacity for playing a role. Interestingly enough, Madame Ouspensky seems to have remained on very good terms with Gurdjieff, and during her time in New Jersey saw many pupils herself, although her health was so poor for so long that she was bedridden.
@martin36369
5 жыл бұрын
The Large accumulator is of the proportions of the side view of Noah's ark, whilst the three story factory it is contained in is the end view of Noah's ark.
@martin36369
5 жыл бұрын
Great reference of William James, didn't know about it at all thank you, I myself have composed this list 1.The Arks 1.Of the Covenant, Two Tablets 2.Noah’s, Two By Two 2.The Feeding of the Multitude 3.Natural Vernacular 1.“Drawing on Hidden Reserves” 2.“Finding Your Second Wind” 3.“Breaking Through the Pain Barrier” 4.“Conscious Effort” 5.“Superhuman Effort” 6.“Herculean Effort” 4.Hyperesthesia 1.Hypnotically Induced & Hysterical Strength 5.Engine Supercharger & Turbocharger 6.States of Consciousness are Equivalent to Levels of Energy 1.Therefore Higher States Require High Levels of Energy 2.The Large Accumulator is a Conceptual Device Explaining Where the Required Energy Comes From I think Gurdjieff must have read "The Canon"
@nigelmiller500
5 жыл бұрын
I think it's important that Ouspensky's later research involved studying the bible . I think he did get his answers in the end as the bible is very esoteric as it's describing the imagination as God and that we are creating our reality (literally).
@thomaspaine8290
5 жыл бұрын
In Search of the Miraculous is the greatest work on esoteric doctrine in this era. A close second is the works of Carlos Castaneda. Third is the works of Dan Millman.
@wisdomsdare1769
5 жыл бұрын
Thomas Paine the work of John Lamb Lash is Castenada on Steroids ... just a suggestion!
@martin36369
5 жыл бұрын
Self-Remembering, as the third state of consciousness in Gurdjieff's teachings of the four states of consciousness, has it's roots in the allegory of Plato's cave, the men bound to their seats so they can't see each other are the many "I's" buffered from each other & being in a position of repose are "asleep", the single man freed standing up is the state of waking consciousness, turning around to see the fire is self=remembering & walking outside the cave to see the Sun is objective consciousness. Don't forget Plato taught that all knowledge is remembered.
@gratefulkm
11 ай бұрын
nope, its about remembering before the age of 7 some can some cant And those that can need help, those that cant dont "its easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for rich man to walk through the gates of heaven"
@martin36369
5 жыл бұрын
Neologisms 1.Friedrich Holderlin the Romantic, Went back to the etymological roots of words & invented new words which imply multiple meanings 2.Mir Damad, Teacher of Mulla Sadra formed the Isfahan School, his philosophical prose is often accounted as being among the most dense and obstrusely difficult of styles to understand, deliberately employing as well as coining convoluted philosophical terminology and neologisms that require systematic unpacking and detailed commentary.
@robertphillips93
4 ай бұрын
Or, you could just pronounce them when reading.
@eternaldelight648
5 жыл бұрын
P. D. Ouspensky is a prototypical Outsider.
@CrazyLinguiniLegs
5 жыл бұрын
"prototypical Outsider" lol, I know what you mean, but kinda of an oxymoron
@martinwilliams9866
Жыл бұрын
Essence & Personality & Being & Knowledge comes from Aristotle's Substance & Attributes.
@aydnofastro-action1788
Жыл бұрын
Gurdjieff was a spiritual drill sergeant. 😮
@apgwilym
5 жыл бұрын
Ouspensky had always intended to call "In search of..." , 'Fragments of an unknown Teaching' but he got overruled.
@johnpaul5474
5 жыл бұрын
(As Gary hinted, that title was too close to the title of a book already in print: "Fragments of a Faith Forgotten," by G.R.S. Mead, 1900, a study of Gnostics, Gnosticism, the origins of Christianity. If I'm not mistaken.)
@MrCrisRobson
Жыл бұрын
Thankyou 💗 I have heard that Reality Transurfing steps 1-5 by Vadim Zealand, 'Russian Mystic' was inspired by these two great Russian Philosophers. Also, his American contemporary Frederick Dodson, who has written many books on 'Reality Creation' ... Any thoughts on how the material is a newer variation on the older ideas? Many thanks 🕊️
@Eman_Puedama
5 жыл бұрын
I didn't know the writer of Groundhog Day was influenced by Ouspensky's ideas. That all reminded me of Anthony Peake who talks deja vu and rerunning our lives. I know the guy who wrote Groundhog Day was very impressed with one of Anthony Peake's books, and handed it round to his friends, but I don't know if Anthony Peake mentions Ouspensky. I haven't read any of his books, but I've heard some interviews and talks and he mentions a lot of people, but not Ouspensky. Anyway, perhaps you could have interview Anthony Peake at some time.
@QED_
5 жыл бұрын
@Eman Puedama: Also: the star of "Groundhog Day", Bill Murray, was a long time student of the Gurdjieff Foundation . . .
@QED_
5 жыл бұрын
@J N Y: Okay, I'll provide an example for you . . . although you really ought to just google it yourself: www.donshewey.com/theater_articles/shepard_and_gurdjieff.html
@QED_
5 жыл бұрын
@J N Y: As I was googling your question for you, I came across a related Bill Murray item that I've uploaded as a video: kzitem.info/news/bejne/mp1mzKSjaWeAbHY It clearly demonstrates that Murray was a Gurdjieff Foundation student . . .
@martin36369
5 жыл бұрын
Possible Sources of the Enneagram 1.Pythagorean Tetractys 1.Combines 3 & 7 1.Three 1.The Divine Triangle 345 2.Pythagoras’s Theorem 2.Seven 1.The Octave 2.Nine-Point Circles 1.Zero Lined of Abraham ibn Ezra 2.Four Lined of Leonhard Euler 3.Twenty Seven Lined of Raymon Llull’s Diagram A (Reciprocal Maintenance) 3.Regular Enneagrams 1.Ramon Llull (Diagram T) 2.Athanasius Kircher 3.Freemasonry’s Nonagram 4.Bahai’s Nine Pointed Star of Religions 4.Tetragrams 1.The Great Magical Arcanum of Eliphas Levi 2.The Magic Arcanum of Madame Blavatsky 5.Karppe’s Tree of Life Reversed 6.Irregular Hexad, 1 ÷ 7 = 0.142857 7.Circle Triangle Square 1.Zen’s Sanmi-Sangen 2.Tarot 1.Circle-Point Fool 2.Triangle 3x7 of the Major Arcana 3.Square Four Suits 3.The Four Elements & the Paracelsian Qualities in a Celestial Circle 4.Jakob Boehme’s Signatura Rerum 5.Samuel Norton’s Mercurius Redivivus 6.Michael Maier’s Atalanta Fugiens. 8.Zoroastrianism 1.“Man is Symbolized by 3 Elements, One on Top of Another, Pyramid Square Circle” 2.Zoroastrians believe that a Soul has Nine Parts 1.Three Physical Ones 1.Bodily Matter & Sensation 2.The Physical Frame & Nervous System 3.Skeleton & Muscles 2.Three Subtly Material Ones 4.Life Energy 5.The Astral Body 6.Ethereal Substance 3.Three Spiritual Ones 7.The Link between Sensation & Soul 8.Inner Soul 9.Divine Spark
@hughjoelcaulk7244
5 жыл бұрын
I'm interested but I just can't sit through the horrible audio echo
@clarekuehn4372
5 жыл бұрын
Echo lessens after the first few minutes.
@humbleprofitstestsite7079
2 жыл бұрын
I am wondering why the book, the fourth way, by ospinsky, was not mentioned. Then again, I may be one of few people who have had an auspicious encounter with the book. Do either of you find any meaning, in that book? Also, have you heard about the Lost cord? In the early seventies, a complete stranger walked into my shop, wanting to know if I knew about this lost cord. He said the the concept was found in a book by ospinsky. Would either of you happen to know what he was talking about? He said if that cord was found and played, that it would harmonize the universe. It was a very intense conversation that I often think about today.
@YouNolf
5 жыл бұрын
I find very interesting that rene guenon, a very important figure in 1950s esoteric field, had a very bad opinion of gurdjieff, defining him a shady, sinister individual that used hypnotism to control people and that posthumously led his disciples to life catastrophe. One values the tree from the fruits it bears. Also, he accuses him of being an agent of the counterinitiation. All of this can be found in a letter by guenon
@GaryLachman
5 жыл бұрын
Guenon's appreciation of Gurdjieff was of course informed by his own understanding of himself as the channel of the "true" tradition. One can't expect the competition to speak well of their rivals.
@YouNolf
5 жыл бұрын
@@GaryLachman I think you have an incorrect view of guenon's philosophy. It is clear in his works that there can be no conflict between the esoteric teachings of all traditions, as they are just external vestiges of the one true tradition. This isn't simply any single tradition, in fact, I think the term "primordial or perennial tradition" is a bit misleading if you're not familiar with his work. To guenon, the primordial tradition is more like the underlying true structure of reality that never changes, because it's basic and outside of time and space, the same reality that initiates and mystics from all eras make experience of (whatever their religion, initiatic order or esoteric school was) and then try to communicate to their fellow men through the symbol, the only mean capable of trying such a deed. Every tradition, according to him, is then just an external vestige of the only perennial tradition that needs to transform its external forms to adapt itself to different cultures, times and men. What changes is then only the substance, not the essence, that must therefore be the same for all true traditions. Thus, if these indeed be true and traditional, no conflict emerges between them on the esoteric level, as they are essentially all coming from the same center. The symbolism of the circumference is very intuitive in this regard. The more you go from the circumference to its center, the more the distance between points becomes less and less, until in the center even opposites reconcile.
@GaryLachman
5 жыл бұрын
@@YouNolf A key possession on the road to wisdom is a sense of humour. It's never too late to get one. That goes for Soteriologist who seems eager to jump at a chance to make comments on my talks as soon as they're up. It is sad how so many people interested in the esoteric miss this simple but essential point.
@YouNolf
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheSoteriologist Guénon is VERY interesting. Fundamental in my opinion. I suggest you leave Wikipedia to the scientistic "masses" and jump in reading one of his books. You may start with either "Perspectives on initiation" or his "main" book, "The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times". I personally find his work addictive. I feel a kind of "lifting up" while reading it as it sheds light to a ton of misconceptions (and it's -un-surprisingly actual too) because he gives a very clear and logical framework that feels objective and truly rational. It simply makes sense. But enough of my rantings and personal opinions. I find very strange though that you, soteriologist, were not acquainted with Guénon. I've been observing your activity on Jeffrey's videos and I thought (and still think) that while some facets of you philosophy are not clear to me, your perspectives were interesting and educated. I think Guénon is fundamental for any serious esotericist. I'd also consider Julius Evola, as he was a traditionalist too, even though I'm not really familiar with his work. Guénon would still be my first choice though.
@YouNolf
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheSoteriologist well, theosophy yes, freemasonry, no. Actually he thought that freemasonry still was one of the last truly traditional schools in the west capable of transmitting the true spiritual influence and carrying the potential of reconnecting man to the divine. Though he also said that it was becoming corrupt and many false pseudo initiatic and counter initiatic branches were appearing. One could only wonder what's the current status of freemasonry, if during his times Guénon already noticed that it was becoming corrupt.
@fineasfrog
Жыл бұрын
As a first approximation could we say that the human being is like a knowing substance that has the potential to have what we call "experience" by way of becoming embodied. From our point of view we could say that the 'knowing substance' aka 'essence' is a kind of pure potential that has a kind of intrinsic 'light of intelligence' that makes 'having experience' possible. From our ordinary point of view we can say the knowing substance has two major characteristics; it can know and it can identify. Consider that the fetus when it emerges from the womb has no identity and doesn't 'know' the stuff we know. It does not even know it has a body, a hand, a mouth etc. However in the first two years of life in receiving impressions from its interactions with the significant caregiver and its environment, something strange occurs. And that 'something strange' is that by the time the newborn has reached two years old, it has implicitly learned "I am 'in here' in this separate body and my significant caregiver is 'out there' in that separate body." I am 'in here' in this separate body and everything else is 'out there'. What was once not separate from anything living in unity, now sees itself as being in a separate body in a world of separate bodies. It identifies itself first with the body and then with the body-mind complex we know as the personality. Using Bernardo Kastrup's language we could say the One Consciousness or "Mind at Large" produces from itself a 'dissociated alter'. In other words the One Consciousness under the influence of embodiment makes it possible for the One Consciousness to appear like it falls under such conditions that it sees itself as separate. This is made possible by the template or structure in our consciousness that results in the subject-object mode of knowing and the deep assumption is that the subject and object are two separate things and never "the twain shall meet". This all suggest that what we are is both that which we call 'subject' and that which we see as and call 'object'. So what is the question that we most need to ask?
@gratefulkm
11 ай бұрын
Close but no cigar 1 we are not individuals , we just imagine we are by focusing on focusing in the left PFC 2 we are actually all the same connected emotionally via the Kundabuffer and we can use the Kundabuffer to communicate electro magnetically with each others Kundabuffer (GOD larger mind) 3 SLAVERY means that we are all descendants of Slaves , Its the Slavers who taught and educated you using very clever constructed designed langauge to TRAP you into focusing on focusing and making you scared to un focus , This then creates an imagianry measurable accountable sense of individuality a SLAVE who imagines separation and who worries about what the master thinks (Bernard cant grasp this) The Slavers slaughtered anyone who knew about the lower brain functionality and purpose , "they wiped the slate clean" and the Hidden in plain sight real narrative of humanity was created by the Druids as they were wiped out So a real free human has no accountability, no reliability, no need to do anything as nature that created has provided all we need, that nomadic human has no thoughts that are needing to be spoken , a nomadic Free human is nothing like a donkey 4 It takes 9 months to give physical birth and the physical umbilcal cord is cut at 9 months (or earlier) 5 It takes 7 years to give emotional birth, the electro magnetic umbilical cord is cut by mum at 7 years, it can be cut earlier , !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Relax , you have to convince your thalamus the real you , the start of the ray that you are CALM and the Thalamus pays no attention to the cortices good luck in finding that memory , of when mum disconnected early , that "needle in a haystack"
@martin36369
4 жыл бұрын
Self-remembering comes from Plato's cave (turning around to see the fire) & Frantz Bretano's "awareness of awareness thesis"
@gratefulkm
11 ай бұрын
nope, Self remembering is existing in the memories of your life specifically before the age of 7
@cacaualbert
Жыл бұрын
❤️
@donnasherwood283
8 ай бұрын
retract I see there were some in O's group who had also been with G and rejoined him in London. One is Nicoll. I do not know the identity of the so called senior members of this group but find it fairly outrageous they conformed to such a demand. Mme Ouspensky however after his death always suggested in response to any questions from the older members they go and ask "Whistle". must have been demeaning he was in his early 30s but I am impressed she had the sight to recognize this.
@christianpatton142
2 жыл бұрын
Im surprised you never interviewed Terence Stamp, he was in an obscure Gurdjieff film and also wore the orange for some years .... How about it?
@cabo7907
4 жыл бұрын
What about the big fire?
@Redbird1998
5 жыл бұрын
Do you seek the truth with all your being or do you merely want to be entertained by a well written book?
@GaryLachman
4 жыл бұрын
I give up.
@gratefulkm
11 ай бұрын
@@GaryLachman If your Thalamus has hidden something from you, you will always see it, but we advise to see it as early as possible that "needle in a haystack"
@amanitamuscaria7500
2 жыл бұрын
Gurdjieff sounds like a thoroughly unpleasant person to me. No doubt he was very clever and had something, but so do so many others. I could do without the lying, womanising, manipulating and drama-making, not to mention making people feel small and shitty.
@blackplague-x3y
9 ай бұрын
The fact that Ouspensky ended up a destitute severe alcoholic is testimony to G.I.s rogueness.
@cabo7907
4 жыл бұрын
As opposed to chalie vrs.
@davidlee6720
2 жыл бұрын
the trouble with interfering with the robot and trying to get conscious control is that sometimes we need instantaneous reactions in an emergency and if we have to stop and think about what we are doing it would be too late to react and we could die. We definitely need it at times. Maybe Gurdjieff did not act quickly enough in his car accident! No disrespect, he was definitely onto a lack in man's make-up.
@gratefulkm
11 ай бұрын
You are the instantaneous reaction, that's the point, There is you, Then an emotional you And finally the false idol itself the imagined you in the cortices , The imagianry , measurable accountable "I" created by Slavers
@daddycool228
4 жыл бұрын
Good to be keeping this alive. I thiught Ouspensky's work was widely known and recommended as a good introduction to The Work. Some interesting titbits in here but not sure on the inference that Gurdjieff thought he was outside of the law of accident because he was awake. It's a life times work. But also theres no mention about his upbringing with orthodox Cbristianity or even the links between the psychological work of The Work and the work of the desert fathers and mothers. I'm interested to know Gary's own view on the cosmos.
@epiphanyx3705
Жыл бұрын
No Gurdjieff did not convince Ouspensky, more like he was told to study himself.... to see clearly his own mechanicalitty.
@alcosmic
5 жыл бұрын
Woohoo!
@irishelk3
5 жыл бұрын
A podcast would be better, that's how its done these days. Try talking about something like this to an academic type, their heads would explode.
@waldek32
3 ай бұрын
Interesting. Sound should be improved. Besides I think G.I. was not that good as a human. Made people confused for purpose. To make them lost
@YouDroolIRULE
Ай бұрын
MAN IS MACHINE! 🤖 the basics of his teaching
@omniufo7350
5 жыл бұрын
We need an incantation or machine to open up a stargate and skip a lot of these experiences on earth.....enter into a realm that is just positive and all is love😀 tranmuste the physical body into perpetual light and joy free humanity.....
@martin36369
5 жыл бұрын
If one could go back in time & "change" sometime, it would simply make it what it always was, the problem is that most people think of the linear sequence like this 1.the past event 2.going back in time 3. changing the past event, however that's not the sequence at all as 3 is 1 so although you have complete free will to change what happens at 1 it always was that way, which means, free will is predestined & predestination is chosen!
@martin36369
4 жыл бұрын
Just found out why the large accumulator has 54 divisions
@cabo7907
4 жыл бұрын
Whent from drunk to enlighten?
@cabo7907
4 жыл бұрын
Who gave that Russian . please life was now. Rassmus
@donnasherwood283
8 ай бұрын
time to call me again gary. you have no idea what u are talking about either on subject of G's accident or the correct interpretation of the dynamic which led to Ouspensky leaving gurdjieff. It is also inaccurate that O "forbade" anyone from mentioning G. As far as my awareness the only likely members of his group who knew the interlocutor in Search was a real person were Mme O and Bennett who I can confirm did NOT tell any of the other members this fact. She told Clive after O passed in '47.I believe it required a tremendous effort at detachment for Clive to accept this without resentment. He never said much of anything about O who he knew quite intimately even in the correspondence he had with senior foundation members in the last year of his life. I never asked Clive whether Bennett keeping this close to his chest was seen as a betrayal of their friendship Try reading Witness with some attention paid to the description of Bennett and his experience with a connection with a higher world. It provides a hint as to G's technique in severing ties with male pupils for various reasons. Someone should tell jeffrey no one read any of G's works as there weren't any committed to print when O was with G. One of the reasons G kept his personal history clouded in opacity is that he did not want the emphasis in the work being focused on it. It is irrelevant for the purposes of the Work and has generated terrible confusion supplanting attention to important matters. How is it possible that u cannot understand that motives were likely in play which you could never conceive of ? There was a law conformable reason for G's accident which I would be quite willing to discuss with you if u wish but is you prefer to spin your wheels imagining he staged it well be my guest
@YouDroolIRULE
Ай бұрын
What the heck are you rambling about? 😂 so caught up in the hs gossip and drama of these stooges 🎭
@donnasherwood283
Ай бұрын
@@YouDroolIRULE I am not rambling in the least. What I stated to this presenter in comments is a factual account of the history of the work by a close student of both O and gurdjirff. From the early ‘30s to G’s death in ‘47. I continue for close to 60 years attempting to find out where all the misunderstandings and distortions of this history came from. It was predicted by G but it still stuns me after all this time
@YouDroolIRULE
Ай бұрын
@@donnasherwood283 60 years are you kidding!? 😂 😯 There are WAAAAAAY better teachings than rambling charlatan G. You know that right?
@Jsmithyy
5 жыл бұрын
Jeff? Dr Joe Dispenza Jeff Eckhart Tolle? Jeff the Rinpoche Tsem Tulku . Kechara? Jeff your doing Presence work now.
@teunishage
5 жыл бұрын
thanks of the bottom of my doremifasolasido hart
@jontnoneya3404
5 жыл бұрын
I really wish you'd stop interviewing Gary Lachman.
@acepeeter
10 ай бұрын
Fool, these interviews with Gary have been essential for my own learning and understanding, you can simply skip them if you wish
@martin36369
4 жыл бұрын
Triremes
@blackplague-x3y
9 ай бұрын
Gurdjieff prayed on romantic types. I lost my father too, and fell under Gurdjieff's spell thru the Fourth Way BS in the 1990s. It's just a master/slave relationship paradigm. Wouldnt it be great if life had "scientific method" - that was what GI offered. It was a lie. Maybe that's the point.
@itsonlyapapermoon61
7 ай бұрын
I spent many, many years deeply reflecting on myself and the universe as a machine. I won't get into the details, but I didn't really have anyone to spar with on this peculiar topic. One night while Watching an olde video from late 1800s , I realized I was in a Machine ,a machine myself, holding a Machine (cell) while watching an anonymous machine(cameraman) holding a video camera ( another machine) filming other Machines(supposed humans). Fractal. Welcome to the Machine The other topic I was obsessed with was Why everyone lies ...You even Lie to Yourself, which is the most annoying...the chronic lying made me not want interact with anyone...tv a lie, coworkers lying all day, husband wives kids the Guvmint, the msm, priests, fake history books...on and on and on...I would get up and ask the universe, why the hell should I even get up, everything here is a pack of frigging lies...so, anyhow I spent years trying to figure out wtf is going on. One day I was walking the dog I stumbled on a book box for kids, I picked up a book. Forgot about it , and one day I opened it read the first page and went into shock. It said we need to understand why we are Machines and why we need to stop lying!!!!!!!!!! The Fourth Way, what you are where you are and why YOU NEED TO ,STOP LYING AND WAKE THE HELL UP. There are no Coincidences , these are two obscure topics I've never heard anyone speak of.
@Sisudio
5 жыл бұрын
Gary, you are wrong about Beelzebub. It is a much easier introduction to the Gurdjieff Work and Gurdjieff the man than ISOTM. Beelzebub has humor and wit, casts a wider net around the entirety of human activity on the earth, but is also undeniably more "down-to-earth." In Search of the Miraculous is full of unproven, unprovable, always dour assertions that I found tiresome. Have you ever actually talked to someone who read Beelzebub first? Very few have done this.
@georgeeakin7690
5 жыл бұрын
I've read Beelzebub and found Gary's comments on it quite accurate. It's not written like normal prose. More like a stream of consciousness coming out of Gurdjieff in the form of a fantastical tale of space and time travel. If you can get into that flow, which it appears you have, then it is a delightful and insightful book. But he's right, it's not an easy read which I felt was by design.
@gratefulkm
11 ай бұрын
"In search!" teaches that there is a physical reality we are dealing with personally So "in search" is the vital first step to learning to heal "tales" explains a bit more about biological apparatus functionality and why we are different from others its all encoded of course and to break the code you need "In search" to resonate first
@rickwyant
5 жыл бұрын
New age woo being recycled. $$$$$$$ is what it's all about.
@jgallagher1968
5 жыл бұрын
Great talk. I love the talks with Gary. Jeffrey could you please do a talk about Carl Jung with Gary.
@johnpaul5474
5 жыл бұрын
I'd like to second that request for a talk about Jung with Gary. Thanks.
@martin36369
5 жыл бұрын
Possible Sources of the Enneagram 1.Pythagorean Tetractys 1.Combines 3 & 7 1.Three 1.The Divine Triangle 345 2.Pythagoras’s Theorem 2.Seven 1.The Octave 2.Nine-Point Circles 1.Zero Lined of Abraham ibn Ezra 2.Four Lined of Leonhard Euler 3.Twenty Seven Lined of Raymon Llull’s Diagram A (Reciprocal Maintenance) 3.Regular Enneagrams 1.Ramon Llull (Diagram T) 2.Athanasius Kircher 3.Freemasonry’s Nonagram 4.Bahai’s Nine Pointed Star of Religions 4.Tetragrams 1.The Great Magical Arcanum of Eliphas Levi 2.The Magic Arcanum of Madame Blavatsky 5.Karppe’s Tree of Life Reversed 6.Irregular Hexad, 1 ÷ 7 = 0.142857 7.Circle Triangle Square 1.Zen’s Sanmi-Sangen 2.Tarot 1.Circle-Point Fool 2.Triangle 3x7 of the Major Arcana 3.Square Four Suits 3.The Four Elements & the Paracelsian Qualities in a Celestial Circle 4.Jakob Boehme’s Signatura Rerum 5.Samuel Norton’s Mercurius Redivivus 6.Michael Maier’s Atalanta Fugiens. 8.Zoroastrianism 1.“Man is Symbolized by 3 Elements, One on Top of Another, Pyramid Square Circle” 2.Zoroastrians believe that a Soul has Nine Parts 1.Three Physical Ones 1.Bodily Matter & Sensation 2.The Physical Frame & Nervous System 3.Skeleton & Muscles 2.Three Subtly Material Ones 4.Life Energy 5.The Astral Body 6.Ethereal Substance 3.Three Spiritual Ones 7.The Link between Sensation & Soul 8.Inner Soul 9.Divine Spark
@evecruz0167
8 ай бұрын
❤
@waldek32
3 ай бұрын
Beldzebub tales to his grandson is very difficult. Confusion to people and stoping them to learn...
@waldek32
3 ай бұрын
Very good explanation. Especially second wind - extra efforts
@muliefriend4785
2 жыл бұрын
Gary is so easy to understand. I love anything he discusses.
@mortalclown3812
2 жыл бұрын
He'll dispute it, but Gary's book on Swedenborg is seminal, imo. I trust his POV with both the biographies of these mystics as well as the crux of their work and beliefs.
@martin36369
4 жыл бұрын
Enneagram 1.Tetractys, Pythagoras 2.Tree of Life Reversed, S. Karppe 3.The Tetragram or Magic Arcanum, Madame Blavatsky 4.Four Lined Nine Point Circle, Leonhard Euler 5.“Triangles, Circles & Other Geometrical Figures”, Galileo 6.Regular Enneagram, Athanasius Kircher 7.Diagrams A & T, Raymon Llull 8.Nonagram, Freemasonry 9.Irregular Hexad, 1 ÷ 7 = 0.142857 10.Alpha, Chi-Rho, Omega
@martin36369
4 жыл бұрын
Many I's comes from Kierkegaard via Hegal, Bohme & Luria
@omniufo7350
4 жыл бұрын
Be so cool if you had some servants bringing you water...hot towel...rubs your back brings you scripts....a group of ladies you select for being number 1..😁some sage...to bless yourself with..
@martin36369
5 жыл бұрын
I also think of Gurdjieff as one of the great psychologists of his time in fact the first "secular" transpersonal psychologist, which requires explanation, one of his foundational psychological methods, non-identification came from Cynicism, "Bury the dog deeper!"
@aydnofastro-action1788
Жыл бұрын
These teachers coincide with the discovery of Neptune , "the mystic. Jus as the enlightenment thinkers, like Leibniz, spinoza, Newtom etc coincide with the discovery of Uranus, "the magician"
@jamespage7731
4 жыл бұрын
I suppose I "should" keep my mouth shut as well, but alas I cannot not will not. Several years ago in a "group" context of my own I was assigned to "study" about Mr. Ouspensky. This included Mr. Lachman's book "In Search of P.D. Ouspensky" and also Bob Hunter's book "Don't Forget". Lachman said in his introduction something to the effect he felt that Ouspensky had not received his due and that he should not have been in the shadow of Gurdjieff. The split beteen the two of them has been one of the major psyodramas of the 20th century movement of esoteric manifiestation. There are several places in this intervie where I disagree very sharply both with Lachman but also with thelean of Jeffery's interogation but Mr. Gurdjieff would probably say something like "Bravo" to both of them. Lachman brought up Nott so I'll let him say it. At one point when Nott had come to visit him, Ouspensky said "we must find the school (the origin of the teaching Mr. Gurdjieff taught). Nott remarks that he looked at Ouspensky and thought "what do you mean"? Mr. Gurdieff is the "school!" And this is the problem isn't it? And now all of those ho knew or worked directly with either of them are dead but I would like to direct those who read this who are interested to two authors Wim van Dullermen and Christian Werttenbaker. There are several things very interesting about these two Gurdieffian authors not the least of which is they are both Dutch and the major people connected ith the Gurdjieff teaching most of the 20th century have been English, American, French and Russian. Mr. Dullerman presents a picture of Mr. Gurdjieff with regards to the music he created along with Thomas De Hartmann and the Movements or "Dances" he created both of which wer also part of his system. It is clear in spite of his "experiments" none of his male students "got" what he was doing. Ouspensky, according Jessmin Howarth intentionally avoided the movements when they were in Finland ane any here else they were. Lachman is, I think misleading saying that Gurdjieff was "instinctive" to Ouspensky's being "intellectual". Mr. Gurdjieff says on a number of occassions when asked what he did, he says he was a teacher of dance whicch make him initially, according to his system if I have grasp it correctly, a person who developed from a Man #2 of an Emotional not Intellectual or Instinctive even though by the time Ouspensky met Gurdjieff, Gurdjieff had already past the threahold of Man #5 (which for us would be Genius with the addition of "Presence"). Lachmann seem somehow or other reluctant to accept these sorts of distinctions which is clearindication of Ouspensky's problem. To use Don Juanian terminology he indulged to much in his own self-importance this is clear to me and to others with who I have studied. This does not mean at all that Ouspensky was not at least a Man #5 himself however, it seems that he got to his 5-ness by side-steping Man #4 and as a consequence realized he'd have to go through the decrysalization process in order to go on this it seems to me would have made him both alcoholic and dour towards th end of life. He is said to have cryed doesn't he know I need him and Gurdjief is said to have told someone at the end of Ouspensky's life tell him to come to me though either he was never told or he decided not to come. In any case the 4th Way is as is said in the "Work" it's own Way governed by it's own rules it comes and goes as it pleases but it always shows up when Mankind is on the verge of destroying itself. The "system" Gurdjieff created is a way for Modern Man to more easily access the outlines of the 4th Way which are righ in front of us all around but we have lost the ability to "see" it. Ase! (Ah Mr. Big Mouth, who do you think you are?)
@gratefulkm
11 ай бұрын
Humans themselves have no idea what's happening in regards to where thier energy ends up "G" has helped millions upon millions, with his teaching, his ability to allow is to reverse engineer an experience that changed us all He explained to us millions why we changed when we did what we did The simple truth is there is a biological happening that involves the Thalamus, deciding to not allow you to remember something that happened to you before the age of 7 Now finding that memory is like finding a needle in a haystack and most go clutching at straws You cant TALK to your Thalamus to unlock the memory as at this stage the PFC dont exist You have to Relax to an extreme level of relaxation (cannot be involved in the external world) or trick it
@blackplague-x3y
9 ай бұрын
I once knew a man #8! A complete unison octave. All this numbering an individual is utterly dehumanizing.
@amanitamuscaria7500
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, it's the connections that are fascinating. And yes, you must keep your integrity - or what else is there?
@anhumblemessengerofthelawo3858
5 жыл бұрын
Regarding the quest for Hermes, this man has been found. See the work of the late Robert H Schmidt.
@martin36369
5 жыл бұрын
If you like connections between things, I suggest you look up Hua-Yen Buddhism & Indra's net/web, the philosophy behind Zen.
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