Here's my latest proposal for a rebuilt Pac-20 national conference: West: Oregon State, Washington State, Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, UNLV, San Jose State, Colorado State, Air Force, and New Mexico State East: Tulane, Memphis, North Texas, UTSA, Rice, Louisiana, Appalachian State, James Madison, Liberty and Coastal Carolina. Ten of those teams have posted at least one 10-win season in the past two years. They would dominate the G5/G6 conferences. TV markets would include Dallas (5), Houston (6), SF/Oakland/San Jose (10), Denver (17), Portland (23), San Diego (30), San Antonio (31), Las Vegas (40), Memphis (50), New Orleans (51), and Fresno (52). Not that those are the most popular teams in those markets, but it does speak to viewership potential.
@lewishenry8526
Ай бұрын
So, I'm just talking out my ass here, because I really have no idea what I'm talking about. If OSU/WSU could pull Memphis, UT-San Antonio, USF, Liberty, UA-Birmingham, and Tulane, it would be a solid southern based east division. If they could pair that with a western division of OSU/WSU, San Diego St, Fresno St, UNLV, and Boise St. It seems like that conference would get more TV money than any other group of 5(6) conference. Plus, it was just announced the Pac-12 bowl contracts are good through the end of the 2025 season, so it's not like they're building a conference from scratch, even though that's pretty much what they would be doing. Obviously, there's many obstacles that I'm unaware of, and it's easier said than actually done.
@markcarbonaro6524
Ай бұрын
The problem with the idea of mandating a minimum funding level is that the schools in MWC spending much less than $60m can point to the fact that they are competitive and able to win conference titles without spending more money. Case in point: San Jose State spends the least amount of money and yet they finished first among the Learfield Cup standings amongst MWC schools. Also, it’s pretty hypocritical of OSU and WSU to demand minimum levels of funding when it’s obvious that if the old PAC-12 had imposed minimum budget levels both the Beavs and Cougs would have been shit out of luck. OSU and WSU compared to USC, Oregon, Stanford and UW were in much the same position that SJS is compared to the top of the MWC
@Mr.Ed_Wayner
Ай бұрын
If I were MWC schools I would be leery of working with OSU/WSU to help them expand the PAC-12. Those two schools have one foot out the door if the ACC collapses and restocks.
@letitroll610
Ай бұрын
They will get the 2025 schedule agreement, then pick 9 MWC schools to offer join the Pac, those 9 can dissolve the MWC, (no penalties then), and 3 will be left out, probably Hawaii, New Mexico, and Nevada?, anyway kind of the same thing that happened to them, everybody else will run out the door real quick and leave the bottom of the MWC behind.
@johnpaulbacon8320
Ай бұрын
So much to take in and how to go forward is never easy or straight forward
@JosephMelendrez007
Ай бұрын
Corn journalists making it personal for Colorado. Thanks Max Olson.
@jeh58
Ай бұрын
Spencer, how can the PAC2 afford to take 6 MWC teams? For the MWC schools the buy out for just 6 schools is 67.5 million (poaching penalty agreed to in the scheduling agreement), plus 17 million for (more than one year notice) or 34 million (less than one year notice) per school exit fees. The MWC schools will want the PAC to cover that as well, so that is 169.5/271.5 million for six schools. Former FOX Sports President (now paid consultant) Bob Thompson has put Oregon State & Washington State media value at 8-10 million per school. So asking the MWC schools that the PAC2 want to poach will not be cost efficient to those MWC schools, if the PAC want them to pay their own exit fees. The new MWC media deal should be around 6-7 million dollars per school. Where is the cost savings if they were to pay their own exit penalty fee? For the PAC2 schools, why eat up the war chest you won in court for just 7-10 million per school? It is best for all to merge the two conferences & their assets. OSU & WSU keep the war chest and use it for their own school need.
@PCSPounder
Ай бұрын
That buyout number supposedly only exists through the end of the MWC media contract (less than two years).
@LockedOnCollegeFootball
Ай бұрын
The departing MW schools would be responsible for paying the MW their exit fee. Pac-12 would pay poaching fee In every other realignment move (AAC, for example) the schools pay their old league, not the new league. AAC pays over time, so Cinci/Houston/UCF are paying $1M/year or so for like a decade
@jeh58
Ай бұрын
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball The rate it is payed back would have to be agreed on by the departed conference. The departing schools would demand the PAC2 to cover part, if not all of the penalties or why would they leave. The amount they would make by leaving their conference would at best equal what they would make in the new PAC8. It is highly possible they would make less considering paying the penalty. At best the PAC8 would make 10 million, while if they stay in the MWC could make as much as 6-8 million. The 17 million per school is only if the state their intention I believe a two year notice for the 2026 season, or the fee could be 34 million. As far as the AAC they are making 7 million a year, so same issue with the penalty payments. I am certain they would want the PAC2 to cover them. I still think it is best for WSU & OSU to do the merger, hold onto the cash & see what happens 5 years down the road. WSU & OSU can use the war chest to sustain their school at the highest of all the G5 schools over that time.
@LockedOnCollegeFootball
Ай бұрын
@@jeh58 They would still leave because they could be in a stronger league and make more $$
@LockedOnCollegeFootball
Ай бұрын
Reverse merger just adds so many teams that bring no value, financially or strength of schedule wise
@JosePena-hj6ll
Ай бұрын
non sense these two teams are no body pac is over
@kevinhampton6986
Ай бұрын
So what was OSU's media value after the 2023 football tv viewership came out? What about WSU's tv viewership? Thompson's numbers are arbitrary. OSU and WSU are devalued but there doesn't seem to be concrete reason for it other than neither are based in a major metropolitan area.
@Spitfirethedragon
Ай бұрын
Yeah, there are times that Boise State had the best tv ratings than any of the new Big 12 teams for the past 20 + years. They went down because MWC signed their deal with CBS Sports when the former WAC schools were shown on ESPN/ESPN 2. CBS Sports Network Neilson's do not cover. We do not know those numbers when it could help valued them. But when Boise State, Fresno State, Air Force, Colorado State, UNR, Utah State, Wyoming and San Diego State on CBS/FOX OTA do get over 1 million. Better than FS1/CBSSports.
@LockedOnCollegeFootball
Ай бұрын
He's estimating, yes. But if there's anyone's guess I'm gonna take it's his lol
@kevinhampton6986
Ай бұрын
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball If his estimation is based on the current status of OSU and WSU and what they might be getting in their media deal, then sure. If it's overall, then it's far too low, IMO. I'm not saying OSU and WSU would bring a lot to the table value-wise for the Big Ten but when I look at half the teams in the ACC and Big 12....
@onlinepole
Ай бұрын
The PAC 2 should invite the entire MWC to reverse merge starting 2026. Other teams to consider are Northern Illinois (who has beaten BC & GT in the last 3 yrs, plus beat Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Northwestern, Purdue in the last 10 yrs) & NM St who is a rising program With bowl wins . Also NIU & NM St have small conference buyouts
@MattBuild4
Ай бұрын
Financially it makes no sense for the MWC to do this though......
@onlinepole
Ай бұрын
The PAC 2 should invite the entire MWC to reverse merge starting 2026. Other teams to consider are Northern Illinois (who has beaten BC & GT in the last 3 yrs, plus beat Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Northwestern, Purdue in the last 10 yrs) & NM St who is a rising program With bowl wins
@LockedOnCollegeFootball
Ай бұрын
I don't think there is a great incentive to add the bottom of the MW if they can afford only the best Oregon State AD has said it's not a preferred move
@StevenPJames-fl1un
Ай бұрын
We all know what happens if Colorado makes it personal ...
@scott4482
Ай бұрын
I think that this season reveals a lot of dissatisfied teams, if Oregon state and WSU play this right there will be a lot of schools wanting to join the new PAC 12
@LockedOnCollegeFootball
Ай бұрын
Nobody will jump back. But MW schools and maybe AAC teams will be interested
@DavidGonzalez-jb2mg
Ай бұрын
Oregon St and Washing St have combined for 1 end of season AP top 25 results in the last 10 years. Repeat 1. The thought that they bring respect to the Mountain West is ludicrous. Am I missing something, or haven't they always been a mid major?
@MattBuild4
Ай бұрын
Thats not true for Oregon State
@lastpme
Ай бұрын
They had a media day…how? And they did it the same time and location with the Big 12? They need to merge with the MWC, it is their only option.
@LockedOnCollegeFootball
Ай бұрын
They had a cocktail hour, plenty of media people there. Coaches/players/past players spoke, hosted by Yogi Roth
@Spitfirethedragon
Ай бұрын
The new AAC schools in the conference gets like $4 million. UTSA do not make like what Memphis is making. They would jump if the MWC/PAC 2 merger with a $5 million dollar range.
@JasonE1972
Ай бұрын
They get over $7MM.
@Spitfirethedragon
Ай бұрын
@@JasonE1972 No they don't. The reports that said when they joined, they get like $4 million for a few years. It is less than $5 million less than any MWC schools are getting.
@Alohanate2004
Ай бұрын
One problem. Pac 12 did not sign the CFP contract. They would have to hope they are allowed to join it in the 2027 look in. No immediate playoff access. No tv contract.
@atgdcommish608
Ай бұрын
A TV contract is easy to come by. Lots of networks and streamers looking for content. It wouldn't pay close to Power4 levels, but should be well above current G5 TV deals if they can pick up the best G5 teams. And their conference champion would get the last auto bid if they were rated higher than the best G5 champ.
@Alohanate2004
Ай бұрын
@@atgdcommish608 Totally missed my point. PAC 12 did not sign the expanded CFP contract so a reformed PAC 12 has no access in 2026.
@HEAVYTIGER11
Ай бұрын
Cache & respect never go hand in hand is beavs & cougs sorry not sorry
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