My 2 cents, better concentricity equals straighter barrel, equals better fluid/air path with potentially less turbulence. Longer control bore in the 7-9” range allows the ball to achieve full velocity before moving to a larger bored ported section. Porting produces the sound signature and possibly sound reduction or pitch of the marker. These things may make minimal to no perceivable or documentable improvements, but the potential is there. In my experience, using a 100% underbore closest to the diameter of paint for closed bolt markers to keep the balls from rolling out does help with accuracy. The more you squeeze the paint the less accurate the paint flies and the higher the potential for breaking paint. Slight overbore on every thing else for consistency. Allegedly the most concentric barrels on the market that also meet the 7-9” control bore are the acculock and dye two piece barrels. Acculock has bore sizes below .680 for closed bolt markers. This is what my experiences has moved me to using over the last 25 years. Everything else in my opinion is subjective and snake oil.
@robertnewton5343
2 жыл бұрын
placebo effect
@zerofox2967
2 жыл бұрын
Just pick one. 684 is 684 no matter which kit it is. I prefer one piece barrels. They cost me $40 when they were new. Paintballs are oblong like a musket ball. Tom Kaye proved it back in the day, Accuracy by volume.
@richardm68
2 жыл бұрын
I found this channel a few months ago . I absolutely love your honesty . Big fan even though I decided to give up playing a few months ago znd sold all my kit .
@willberham
2 жыл бұрын
Never even thought about the paintball seams lol. Great content. Well done. New sub
@brucecook502
2 жыл бұрын
I remember those videos very well, in fact I remember who made them. It was Gordon, aka "cockerpunk" from PbNation and Techpb who did all of that work along with some help to find out if there were any differences in accuracy, testing different barrel brands, different lengths, bore sizing, ect... He found that underboring, more than anything did in fact help shot to shot accuracy, and found that between 12-15 inches were optimal for maximum accuracy. I remember watching all of his videos as he was putting each one out.
@airtimepaintball463
2 жыл бұрын
Yes...Punk Works I think. They duscovered that the best combination for efficiency and accuracy was a slight underbore. But, a slight overbore was a bit more accurate even though the velocity was slightly less consistent.
@brucecook502
2 жыл бұрын
@@airtimepaintball463 I always go with a slight overbore just to decrease the chance of a oddly larger paintball might go through, and overboring helps lessen the chance of a barrel break in those situations. I also during the winter when paintballs get a bit more fragile, I overbore quite a bit. I found with the acculock kit I used last winter, that anything under a .695 control bore got occasional barrel breaks with the field paint we were using even tho the paint bored out at a .684, but when I tried a .695, I never ever once got a barrel break, and I put possibly 40 cases or so through it that winter no problem.
@rastaman2205
2 жыл бұрын
Where is the test video at??
@militarydocumentariesinc.7007
2 жыл бұрын
Facts !! Well spoken . Pick your color and style or brand and go with it. All the same in the end besides sound signature . Oh and practice that will make you more accurate .
@johnnystock7294
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for clearing all of this up. I also recently got into it on some forums about accuracy. THANK YOU ABOUT MENTIONING VELOCITY!!!! I got into it in the forums because people were telling me my accuracy/paint groupings were bad because of the marker design🤨. And I tried telling people that I had the marker shooting between 140 and 180 FPS with serious dropoff and that of course paint was going to go everywhere and that I just needed to turn it up.....
@BR-zt9no
2 жыл бұрын
Punkworks?
@justinbryant6676
2 жыл бұрын
So let's take the planet eclipse FL, they have 4 bore sizes and the lazer has 8. More backs = more options, that's a benefit. Then you have the type of Aluminum and micro honing. Then you step into stainless steel and start adding things like nitride to the mix witch reduces friction. I'm currently working on a project that takes stainless inserts even further down the rabbit hole, not going to say what it is but its lubricity durability is even greater than nitride. This would allow a slight under bore with out imparting anymore friction on the ball increasing efficiency and accuracy out of the barrel. The more air exiting behind the ball as it exits the barrel can and does greatly affect the accuracy. So limiting how the air exits the barrel is very important and is why firearms have crowns..
@airtimepaintball463
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you watching for sure! Testing has shown that none of whst you mentioned .matters in a paintball barrel.. The one thing in there that -might- have made a difference is the extra low friction coating along with underboring. Sadly, testimg with J&J ceramic barrels didn't bear it out Use whatever barrel looks cool that sounds good to your ear.
@tommytuomaala9087
2 жыл бұрын
i do notice some accuracy of tightbore. barrel back is sufficient for playing accurately. tip only changes soundsignature but shaft 5 tip is superior to shaft 4 tips as holes are on top of the ridge squrting rubb away from the holes. to big portings the paint just sneeses back and fourth.
@Scofflaw_k10
2 жыл бұрын
One thing that I see often used to point out a “bad” barrel is chucking the barrel in a lathe by the aesthetic OD and posting a video of the runout. I find it humorous that most of these barrels are 10+ years old and served the owner fine up until that point, I wonder if it actually makes a difference in accuracy.
@airtimepaintball463
2 жыл бұрын
Yes if it isn't straight that matters. That's why I said "as lomg as it's straight" in the beginning.
@malcolmrayburn3169
2 жыл бұрын
You think the material could matter? Maybe if a certain material has more of a slickness to it… not sure if that exist but it seems like it could.
@malcolmrayburn3169
2 жыл бұрын
Incase you read that.. also wanted to say I enjoyed the rant.. I shot egos sense 06 and they came with a 693.. so i have always over bored. Also shot around 275.. but felt the drop shot was so useful.. Use a 170r now and pretty much use a 689 only.. not sure if it’s the best way but not shooting straight has never been a problem, nor chronoing hot, chopping etc. I can typically do very well in tournaments as long as my stuff works.. more so in 06 than now.. now I feel like there is no reason not to have working gear it’s all gotten so much cheaper and better
@jeruncan
2 жыл бұрын
Good video boss. Same stuff I’ve been saying since 1990 lol I’ve been using the acp tips on a freak xl back for a while now. Curious what your thoughts on those are since they are sort of rifled. I’d also be curious what there internal bore is. What do you think about the infamous nitride coated stainless backs. Thanks
@airtimepaintball463
2 жыл бұрын
I tried an ACP tip, and I was surprised that I'd stumbled upon the only barrel setup I know if to ever actually make a performance difference. Sadly, it's for the worse. Efficiency is measurably worse, and I've never used a barrel that was worse at self-cleaning...and that's supposed to be it's main function. The nitride coated backs don't do anything that any other backs don't do. There is no meaningful difference in performance in any barrels. But, I still have a zillion because I like toys, and I like to change up the looks of my setups etc.
@ingenious247
2 жыл бұрын
I've been preaching the slight overbore for awhile now for accuracy but nobody believes me 🤷♂️
@tommytuomaala9087
2 жыл бұрын
no i dont believe you out of experience. .695 will fly where ever as .680 flies as darts
@basedvisa
Жыл бұрын
@@tommytuomaala9087 695 is not a slight overbore lol
@tommytuomaala9087
Жыл бұрын
@@basedvisa if you fip the paint in water you can tightbore those. (Gellblaster) in my country paint is quite consistently ,682some times even smaller
@Taintedmind
Жыл бұрын
Efficiency doesn't go up or down for shooting a paintball. It uses w/e amount of air from the bolt, which's on the front end and has absolutely nothing to do w/the barrel, whatsoever; if you use a .678, .693 or no barrel: it uses the same amount of air before touching the barrel. There's no system which detects bore size and adjusts how much the bolt uses. It's like taking a bullet w/different bore sizes: it's literally using the same amount of gun powder each time.
@LotusPaintball
Жыл бұрын
With an underbore, no air escapes around the ball and all is used to fire it. With an overbore, air escapes around the ball. Yes, both will fire the ball with the same air, but because of the escaping air in the overbore, it'll have less FPS in that scenario. For an apples to apples comparison, the overbore requires slightly higher pressure to compensate for the escaping air, making the underbore more efficient when you account for the different pressures to shoot the same fps. This is one of the reasons why you need to chrono every time no matter what because ball size changes your fps.
@sirrickthe2nd583
2 жыл бұрын
Preach it.
@KeePReeLing
2 жыл бұрын
Where are you getting your barrel bored to accept the freak inserts? And can any barrel able to be bored out to accept freaks inserts?
@airtimepaintball463
2 жыл бұрын
Hit up Ross Jones at Boss Paintball. Most barrels can, as long as they're at least .689 bore. Note that you can't to the Dye UL-S because the necked-down part is too thin.
@KeePReeLing
2 жыл бұрын
@@airtimepaintball463 awesome thanks!
@sinister7m423
2 жыл бұрын
Now let’s see some game play 😁
@sp1epiphany
2 жыл бұрын
Couldn't you just buy different sized 1 peice barrels to make it consistent all the way through? I've been doing that for years. I'll buy 3 different cp one peice barrels and I haven't seen better accuracy. I remember the expirement you are talking about.
@airtimepaintball463
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, for sure you can do that. It makes no difference...straight, and a good finish. That's all there is! That's why you haven't seen better accuracy. Or worse accuracy.
@sp1epiphany
2 жыл бұрын
@@airtimepaintball463 exactly!
@sp1epiphany
2 жыл бұрын
@@airtimepaintball463 I love all your videos man! I'm also part of the Facebook group as well. It's super awesome! You by far are one of the best reviewers out there.
@StephenFordQuestionMark
2 жыл бұрын
Tom Kaye put it best in this interview in 95... 25 years ago. kzitem.info/news/bejne/moirvmd4pJaSrH4 Innovation is hard, marketing hoopla to mouth-breathers is cheap.
@justinbryant6676
2 жыл бұрын
Ball weight has more to do with accuracy than anything else... as long as the balls are as round as they can be
@tommytuomaala9087
2 жыл бұрын
interesting. in grams the differance is not notiseable but in milli grams the differance can be registeted. but i dont think the consistency in a boxs is valid for mg.
@justinbryant6676
2 жыл бұрын
Another thing to consider is what position you play.
@airtimepaintball463
2 жыл бұрын
Your barrel will be exactly the same re: accuracy no matter what position you play.
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