I agree that the devil is attacking the church. One question, who opened the flood gates and let the devil in during the Covid-19 crisis, was it not the GC leadership including YOU Pastor Mark Finlay?
@Donna.bent876
8 күн бұрын
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@shariengodfried4899
8 күн бұрын
THAT IS TRUE IS ALSO WITH THE TRINITY 3 GODS ,,THAT IS NOT OF THE BIBLE,,THE TEACHING OF 3 GODS IS FROM ROME . THE BIBLE TEACH US THE GODHEAD THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD THE FATHER AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST,,JESUS SAID : I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE ,JOHN 10 : 30 1 TIMOTHY 2 ::5 JESUS THE ONLY MEDIATOR BETWEEN MANKIND AND GOD THE FATHER, THE BIBLE SAID WE HAVE FELLOWSHIP WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON ,1 JOHN 1 : 3 REVELATION 5 : 13 REVELATION 3 : 21 WE KNOW HAS INFLITRATE IN ALL CHURCHES TO DECEIVE US,,THAT WHY WE HAVE THE 3 ANGELS MESSAGES TO BELIEVE LIVE AND TO PREACH , REVELATION 14 : 7 HERE GOD ASK US TO WORSHIP THE TRUE GODHEAD , IN GENESIS WE THIS , THE FATHER SAID TO HIS SON LET US US MAKE MAN IN OUR OUR IMAGE AND LIKENESS ,GENESIS , THE BIBLF EXPLAIN WHO WAS THERE JOHN 1 : 1 - 3 HEBREWS 1 : 1- 3 JESUS THE EXPRESS IMAGE AS THE FATHER . COLOSENSIANS 1 : 15 - 16 1 CORINTHIANS 8 : 6 THIS IS THE 3 ANGELS MESSAGE FOR OURSELF AND THAN TO SHARE WITH MANKIND .
@cristinalayola3483
8 күн бұрын
Wow! Boooooom!....
@deborahoostendorp7319
8 күн бұрын
Indeed! The love of money is the root of all evil, even the GC leaders have been tempted and heeded. The pot calling the kettle black!
@airelemental
8 күн бұрын
I don’t understand. The church’s stance was that people were encouraged to vaccinate but ultimately it was the people’s choice. THAT was the church stance, because we are to abide by earthly laws unless they go against God, which these mandates did not go against God. Why are the church leaders being attacked when their stance was in line with both the Bible and EGW?
@CAM-in5es
8 күн бұрын
Pastor Conrad did not, and has never encouraged leaving the remnant church. What he has been is a voice for many in the church, who the leadership of the church has not chosen not to listen to or acknowledge their wrong. Neither has Pastor Finely acknowledged his own wrong position during Covid. A lot of credibility has been lost in our leadership, but forgiveness is never in question, reconciliation is another matter. 🙏
@thomthomas5173
8 күн бұрын
Yes AMEN
@Rio-uv1gs
8 күн бұрын
@@CAM-in5es The reason this is happening is because Conrad VIne was suggesting that in the future some lay pastors/leaders will have to organize a lay conference and incorporate and memebers will return their tithes there and they'll create a committee to decide which conferences will recieve monies based on whether they are faithful to scripture. (THIS IS DIVISIVE) ...and were seeing the proof
@beaelleess3892
7 күн бұрын
@@CAM-in5es no he did not say to leave the remnant… but is rather giving a message of correction / warning to correct our ways…. Because those of us who care about the wrongs that are being done are sighing and crying… “And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side; and the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.” Ezekiel 9:3-4 KJV
@joseanlugo.official
7 күн бұрын
Exactly.
@Martins913
4 күн бұрын
@Rio-uv1gs You deliberately chose to not mention what Dr. Conrad said in his 4th point about what's going to happen after the 2nd beast dictates Sunday worship. I strongly suggest you go back and pay attention to his 4th point.
@GHOST_2EDITSPR0DS
8 күн бұрын
Pastor Finley, let me remind you that it was the church leaders that teamed up with the state and crucify our Loving savior, also it was the conference that sent our dear sister Ellen white to Australia because they wanted to silence her voice. Same thing the conference is trying to do to pastor Vine. Please stand up for the right pastor Finley, tho the heavens fall.
@lc5346
8 күн бұрын
Amen 🙏
@sheldonschultz4681
8 күн бұрын
When the Jewish Nation crucified Jesus Christ, it was in no way equal to the leadership of the SDA church. Following along with the government mandate that we hold church just in a virtual setting is a vast stretch of the truth. Our church was not singled out and kept from meeting in person, as other churches were allowed to meet in person. Churches were not singled out and kept from meeting, while other groups were allowed to meet in person. This mandate was based on a health crisis and nothing more. It applies to all people. To make a big deal out of it is to state that any influence from the government on any form of church business is to fall into apostasy. If this is the case, we should not place fire extinguishers in the church as it shows a lack of faith and is doing as the government demands. It does not matter that all businesses and buildings have to have them. We should not follow government demands in anything. The logic many are using to fight this issue is both dangerous Biblically and keeping people from the church's true mission, which is to become Christ-like and tell your neighbor about Christ. Do you really think that you will get to the Kingdom and meet Jesus at the gate, and He will single you out for Accusing the church leadership of apostasy for following a government mandate during a health crisis and look at you and say, "Well Done?"
@normanramirez-rx7hy
8 күн бұрын
@GHOST_2EDITSPR0DS All these are fallacies and conspiracy theories If the statae doesn't make you violate God's commandments, you must obey. " "Not in vain earth justice carries a sword"
@MsAure
8 күн бұрын
He won't stand with Dr.Conrad.He won't.
@normanramirez-rx7hy
8 күн бұрын
@MsAure Amen to that . What is left for Conrad is our prayers and counseling by the sda authorities.
@jevoncaesar2028
8 күн бұрын
God allows apostasy to enter the church so that we can be tested. We keep hearing God will deal with it in His own way and time. How? Faithful watchmen must blow the trumpet. Not only for the attacks from outside but the corruption on the inside. Elijah, Jeremiah and many of the prophets were persecuted not by the heathen but by the so called followers of God. History repeating itself. May God have mercy on us.
@marygercke6255
8 күн бұрын
This is true, we make an idol of the church, looking to the church for the truth, instead of God. People make specific teachers an idol. Asking them if they should get vax for example. This is between us and God.
@jeffpaul8260
7 күн бұрын
exactly, look at the start of the reformation. the few started by moving away from the church of the time to follow scripture.
@EDMOBEA
7 күн бұрын
@@marygercke6255 Amen
@RUDNIKTL1
6 күн бұрын
Interesting, God allows heresy to sift out the sinners in the denomination. I wonder how the Straight Testimony works in this. God help us not to be shaken out.
@luenamsegnalu9046
5 күн бұрын
Beautifully said my brother! Everyone wants God to deal with the apostasy so their comfort can be protected, but if one Jeremiah dares to point the apostasy the same people who wanted God to deal with the leaders now want to hang the poor Jeremiah. What hypocrisy is this, while God is calling men with back bone to cry aloud and show my people their wrong doing!
@keithphillip8403
8 күн бұрын
They are saying all kind of things.. yet the leaders are not apologizing for the apostasy.... But doing everything to attack pastor Vine
@JohnEricho-wj8zr
8 күн бұрын
Pastor Mark and leaders should be addressing the apostasies in the church now - the wokeness. They should not be justifying by using the Bible and preaching against the messenger . The leadership has failed to address it. If we do not adress it , there will be fragmentation.
@ubuzimabwiza5450
8 күн бұрын
Agree! Fragmentation is inevitable should the woke in the he church continue to be tolerated! It happened to Jews before Christ and during and after his ministry, It surely can happen to us if the things are not addressed properly!
@lenajarcov6347
8 күн бұрын
😅
@ErichSchultze
8 күн бұрын
Unfortunately, Brother Finley has put together his arguments in a very one-sided and unbalanced way: But what does he say about the three statements of Ellen White that show us that the SDA Church may very well fall, and all the promises of God are conditional on obedience? „I have been shown that the spirit of the world is fast leavening the church. You are following the same path as did ancient Israel. There is the same falling away from your holy calling as God's peculiar people. You are having fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness. Your concord with unbelievers has provoked the Lord's displeasure. You know not the things that belong to your peace, and they are fast being hid from your eyes. Your neglect to follow the light will place you in a more unfavorable position than the Jews upon whom Christ pronounced a woe.“ 5T 75.3 „Reforms must be made, for spiritual weakness and blindness were upon the people who had been blessed with great light and precious opportunities and privileges. As reformers they had come out of the denominational churches, but they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped that there would not be the necessity for another coming out.“ LDE 48.1 „I am instructed to say that we must do all we possibly can for these deceived ones. Their minds must be freed from the delusions of the enemy, and if we fail in our efforts to save these erring ones, we must “come out from among them” and be separate.“-Manuscript 106, 1905, 8. (“A Plea for Loyalty,” November 20, 1905.) 7MR 190.1
@Joanne_uk
8 күн бұрын
Not one of those quotes even come close to insinuating that the church may fall.
@ErichSchultze
8 күн бұрын
@@Joanne_ukPerhaps this quote will convince you: „I saw that God has honest children among the nominal Adventists and the fallen Churches, and before the plagues shall be poured out, ministers and people will be called out from these churches and will gladly receive the truth. ... But the light will shine. and all who honest will leave the fallen churches, and take their stand with the remnant.“ (Early Writings, p. 261)
@leonorarowe6183
8 күн бұрын
Pastor Finley knows all these but they are all blind by the devil like the scribes and pharisees, and they call themselves a leader. This is why the prophet says 1% from 20 might be saved.
@beaelleess3892
8 күн бұрын
@@ErichSchultzeAMEN - the TRUTH will live forever, the SHAKING is about the truth. ❤
@RUDNIKTL1
8 күн бұрын
@@ErichSchultze. Nominal Adventists were the First Day Adventists in EGW ‘s time.
@ellejean5967
8 күн бұрын
This is just painful to listen to. You refused to hear the people who spoke of the covid...This is deeply unacceptable...The leaders refuse to discuss the issue... The church has failed the people on religious liberty. ..I am ashamed of this organization's leadership...
@kk6345
8 күн бұрын
Pr. Vine did not call for creating a new church...... "Para church within" send God's money to those doing the work of God..... Leadership has indeed lost my confidence.... look to Jesus
@marvetwilliams2097
8 күн бұрын
@kk6345 the reason Leadership is banning Pastor Vine is they know most SDA don't study Bible 📖 or SoP📚 hence they can deceive most of us by misconstuing the Truth that Pastor Vine speaks..tragic!
@user-vv1rh9uq6v
8 күн бұрын
Pastor Vine is the spirit of Eligha bringing the last call
@user-vv1rh9uq6v
8 күн бұрын
El wrongie ,come out of her my people ,,,if she appears to be fallen it is in a fallen state,if she clasp hands with Babylon his church are remembers are of all the world,so don't reject one shaking the leaders of the church
@user-vv1rh9uq6v
8 күн бұрын
Thanks share loud and far we must wake up the church and it's leaders to come out of babylon
@marvetwilliams2097
8 күн бұрын
@user-vv1rh9uq6v tge SDA Church is Not Babylon at all. Know your Church History & Mission please. Study 📖📚
@louisnunez6015
8 күн бұрын
“The greatest want of the world is the want of men-men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall." A noble character is the result of self-discipline, the surrender of self for the service of love to God and man. SDA leaders that are arrogant and unrepentant must be held accountable. Ted Wilson said, SDA leaders must be held accountable . . . so who is going to do that, themselves! No, they won't !
@marvetwilliams2097
8 күн бұрын
The GC have put policies above a "Thus Saith The LORD" for decades without accountability! At no time did Pastor come out in rebuke to the conferences holding gibberish within inviting Babylonians to preach teach dance & every uncouth thing within..yet now he feels the need to speak because tithe is threatened? Where does Pastor Mark allegiance lies?
@tunsiehelden
8 күн бұрын
It’s obvious where and it has been for many years. Unfortunately
@marvetwilliams2097
8 күн бұрын
@@tunsiehelden sad 😔
@Peaches-cm9yy
8 күн бұрын
Exactly!!😊
@TheGateKeeper001
8 күн бұрын
@@marvetwilliams2097 with the church
@junejarvis8001
8 күн бұрын
God bless Dr. Vine. Mark Finley said there is apostasy in the church and they make mistakes, we all do, but why has he not identified them and apologized for them. It is like he is brushing off the mistakes the church has made. No big deal, eh,? He needs to listen again to what Dr . Vine said. He is not trying to break up the church. He is trying to warn it. Clean up the leaders act and at least try to get back to the Bible standards.
@ConroyGreen
8 күн бұрын
the difference between "Apostacy in the Church" and "The Church in Apostacy" is 1). when those who are placed in leadership positions is leading the membership to accept apostacy. 2). when there are members going astray... as it is now there are a few in the church going Off Course and when it is called out the leadership of the church doesn't course correct instead, they sensor, cancel and or ban/ disfellowship the messenger. this reminds me of Ezekiel Chpt. 9 | The pen of inspiration says the prophecy of Ezekiel 9 will be fulfilled in the last days church
@beaelleess3892
7 күн бұрын
@@ConroyGreen … also there is sighing and crying… but there remains apostasy… so the sealing will happen in the stiff necked church… “And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side; and the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.” Ezekiel 9:3-4 KJV
@gloriaamaral339
8 күн бұрын
The devil attacks the church because the general conference has been sending representatives to Rome to greet the Pope for many years.Knowing that Ellen White says in the great controversy that Rome does not change.Revelation 13 Jesus tells us that the beast speaks through the dragon. For me when i learned this, it was very difficult, because i was Catholic.
@carltonwright7328
8 күн бұрын
@@gloriaamaral339 And Rome sending representatives to our general conference sessions
@shariengodfried4899
8 күн бұрын
THAT IS TRUE IS ALSO WITH THE TRINITY 3 GODS ,,THAT IS NOT OF THE BIBLE,,THE TEACHING OF 3 GODS IS FROM ROME . THE BIBLE TEACH US THE GODHEAD THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD THE FATHER AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST,,JESUS SAID : I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE ,JOHN 10 : 30 1 TIMOTHY 2 ::5 JESUS THE ONLY MEDIATOR BETWEEN MANKIND AND GOD THE FATHER, THE BIBLE SAID WE HAVE FELLOWSHIP WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON ,1 JOHN 1 : 3 REVELATION 5 : 13 REVELATION 3 : 21 WE KNOW HAS INFLITRATE IN ALL CHURCHES TO DECEIVE US,,THAT WHY WE HAVE THE 3 ANGELS MESSAGES TO BELIEVE LIVE AND TO PREACH , REVELATION 14 : 7 HERE GOD ASK US TO WORSHIP THE TRUE GODHEAD , IN GENESIS WE THIS , THE FATHER SAID TO HIS SON LET US US MAKE MAN IN OUR OUR IMAGE AND LIKENESS ,GENESIS , THE BIBLF EXPLAIN WHO WAS THERE JOHN 1 : 1 - 3 HEBREWS 1 : 1- 3 JESUS THE EXPRESS IMAGE AS THE FATHER . COLOSENSIANS 1 : 15 - 16 1 CORINTHIANS 8 : 6 THIS IS THE 3 ANGELS MESSAGE FOR OURSELF AND THAN TO SHARE WITH MANKIND .
@deborahmeaders5022
8 күн бұрын
I’m not giving up on Gods remnant church. I’m here until the end. Sister White said it would seem the church was falling apart but it would not. The church members will go through a shaking. Some will be shaken out.❤
@venitajereniah2710
8 күн бұрын
Amen
@anntaylor8065
8 күн бұрын
Amen
@rond5544
8 күн бұрын
@@deborahmeaders5022 there were no SDA in Christ Day. Was Jesus part of the Jewish Conference or his own independent Ministry? The conference Sanhedrin Pharisees ,scribes went to kill the messenger. The remnant church is not a denomination it’s his church at the end. There will be others from other Denominations who will receive the truth and be in his remnant church.
@deborahmeaders5022
8 күн бұрын
@@rond5544 yes there were sda. Anyone who keeps the sabbath and believes in the second coming of Jesus is a sda🙂
@barbarabowden9504
8 күн бұрын
Agreed
@robertaj3767
8 күн бұрын
The BIG question is… Is the church God’s faithful people, or the organization? If it is the people, then the people can meet in a different place than the organized church’s buildings and they can return tithes and offerings to faithful conferences or SDA ministries. Most Protestants would applaud the reformers, who recognized apostasy in the church organization and called Gods people out. But church leaders are quick to condemn anyone who would call out apostasy and recommend diverting tithes and offerings to the faithful institutions…
@carolfarquharson-smith3650
8 күн бұрын
A house divided against itself can not prosper. May God help us 🙏
@katenugentsanudo7385
8 күн бұрын
We were warned this would happen. What fellowship does light have with darkness? We are not divided against ourselves, God is calling a people who will be faithful to finish the work. These leaders are not faithful.
@ayayialognon4445
8 күн бұрын
Brother Mark Finley is among those watchmen who abandoned their position and refused to sound the trumpet to alert God’s people. He once said that even the women’s ordination was not biblical, he appealed to everyone to accept it and move on with the mission as long as the GC would vote for it. Should this be called apostasy in the church or the church in apostasy? If brother Finley equates the GC with the GC, then we can rightly say that the church is in apostasy. But if he believes that the church is not the GC then of course, the church is not in apostasy. But during this sermon, brother Finley was quick to quote sister White saying that “as feeble as it may be the church will not fall and the sinners will be sifted out.” By saying this, he failed to mention that the same sister White said that “the church is not an institution or an organization or a cathedral.” She continued to quote our Lord and Saviour who said that “where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in their midst. She finished there by saying clearly and explicitly that “this is the church.” Why our leaders would never quote this statement of Ellen White whom they all believe is a prophetess. Why do they only quote her when it seems to arrange them? With due respect, I should say that brother Mark Finley has proclaimed half truths and biased interpretations of the Word of God throughout this sermon. He said that there was no calling out of Laodicea in the book of Revelation, but omitted to mention that there was no calling out of any of the 7 churches in Revelation. Whether this omission is intentional or not, we will never know. He also omitted the fact that Jesus is not in the church of Laodicea, but He is standing at the door. Amazingly, he is not knocking at the door of the organization but of individuals. Laodicea is the church who is in the worst shape than any other church. There is no commendation for this church, Christ has his people in Laodicea; this is why He has to appeal to individuals. There are many things to say here but I pass on… Brother Finley also mentioned the woman in Revelation 12, and then said that the Dragon persecuted the Remnant of her seed. My question is where was the woman? In the beginning, the war was with the woman, but at the end the dragon was after the remnant of her seed. Again, where was the woman? Why is God still calling His people out of Babylon even to this day? Is it because His church is in Babylon or Babylon is in His church?😊 Brother Finley, is the church in apostasy or apostasy is in the church? In either case, Jesus is calling His Own of out apostasy. God bless you all. With love ❤
@Tm91studies
8 күн бұрын
A house is not dividing itself, read what the scripture states: "Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left." Matt 25:32-33 God's people will be separated from the world loving people, and the polarization will only grow wider. God is purifying his true church. Light cannot dwell with darkness. We are in the last season of the world's history, unity is NOT a principle or the most important thing, even Satan's angels can be in unity.
@ayayialognon4445
8 күн бұрын
@@carolfarquharson-smith3650 And Jesus also said “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.” Luke 12:49-51 Truth always divides.
@chrispinmdachi551
8 күн бұрын
Our leader have failed us but will pray for you always
@lisatowe778
8 күн бұрын
People need to remember the leadership is not the church. Politicians are not America. The leadership can be wrong but that doesn’t make the church or country wrong in precept. This country was founded to further Gods work and so was the SDA church. I will not accept leadership that goes against God in government or church. But I stand beside the founding principles of both. I will call out any who lead wrongly. Pastor vine was correct to call them out and they need to submit to the questions and logical factual queries of the people. They are not above us they are more accountable. They need to pray earnestly for God to lead them to honest repentance for their stand on Covid and closing of church doors when churches were needed. Pastors of other churches were arrested for their faith. I will not accept the stiff necked stubbornness of leadership but God will lead us through this. Hold fast til He returns
@lisatowe778
8 күн бұрын
We are instructed in the founding of America that the time may come where we need to take the government down and rebuild it. Doesn’t mean it isn’t still America it means we go back to the original founding and get rid of the corruption. The SDA church isn’t named in the Bible, Gods people are. The SDA church may or may not be the final name of Gods church but if it is to be the name then it has to reflect the testimony of Jesus. The tares have to be removed. Leadership can’t be allowed to be corrupted or the direction will be corrupted
@Ev.SamsonMunyambu
3 күн бұрын
you are in error. read 14mr202.4. UL 131. DA 232 etc n see sda in Babylon
@lisatowe778
3 күн бұрын
@@Ev.SamsonMunyambu you may be in any error you choose to be. But since you are not the Holy Spirit, I will follow my conscience.
@Ken-uc3wt
8 күн бұрын
Apostasy in the church. We need new leaders that can’t be bought or sold. Money is the root to all evil
@cooldad467
8 күн бұрын
Where's money the issue?. Vine is telling people to leave the church bc he disagree with someone
@rond5544
8 күн бұрын
@@Ken-uc3wt why do you think they are accepting women’s ordinance and the LBGTQ+ community? For the Tithes that the conference is loosing from members that won’t contribute.
@HubertWashington
8 күн бұрын
The correct quote is “Paul wrote, “For the LOVE of money is the root of all kinds of evil” (1 Timothy 6:10
@pacs0508
8 күн бұрын
@@cooldad467WHY IS DIOP PALLING AROUND WITH THE PAPACY? THE LIST OF QUESTIONABLE ACTS IS LONG.
@Ken-uc3wt
8 күн бұрын
@@cooldad467 apostasy in mostly all the churches under 503 1 c . Abomination in these churches, God will hold pastors and leaders to account. Present truth is what the people need now. Mark of the beast, Sunday law enforcement will come very shortly. Get your life in order now.
@moniheiser4594
8 күн бұрын
If the denomination is taking money to enforce the state mandates, isn't that a unification of church and state?
@deborahoostendorp7319
8 күн бұрын
Indeed, it is! How hypocritical, when the SDA leaders are constantly accusing the Roman Catholic Church of do likewise. The SDA GC are apostates, not to be trusted and should practice what they preach!
@stevensarahking8247
8 күн бұрын
I agree with Lawrence and Dr Vine. So the conference made a human mistake. We’re all human and fallen species but not admitting and apologizing is Demonic. Stand with God. Do not bow to government or Conferences. Pray pray pray some more.!
@kathycurtis6359
8 күн бұрын
saying I'm sorry I made a mistake but you made one too is not healthy, it is called gaslighting, making the victim look guilty and unable to seek a specific confession of transgression that assures that healing can take place. It's a crude attempt to not be repentent. It's a coverup and grieves the Holy Spirit.
@deborahoostendorp7319
8 күн бұрын
That was definitely not a human mistake but deliberately done out of greed!
@BenDunning86
8 күн бұрын
Jesus is not coming back for laodicea. He’s coming back for 144,000 who will perfectly reflect the image is Jesus. Amen.
@ShawnetteHarris
8 күн бұрын
Who is the 144 000 and where will they come from or which group?😊
@MsViva710
8 күн бұрын
144,000 plus the great number.
@MsViva710
8 күн бұрын
@@ShawnetteHarristhe last faithful living on earth.
@dewestmusic243
8 күн бұрын
Laodicea will awaken. There will be a shaking and the faithful will remain. Too many people think that it is their job to cleanse the church. But they are unable. Only Christ can cleanse anyone from sin or apostasy... Christ will prepare His Bride... Those who turn on the church and leave the body will whither and die. The church is also referred to as the Body of Christ. HE IS THE HEAD! We must let God be God and do what our calling is to do, which is to share the Three Angel's Messages with the world. Matthew 24:14 KJV And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
@beaelleess3892
8 күн бұрын
Agreed, and the shaken out are those who are shaken from the TRUTH.
@Peaches-cm9yy
8 күн бұрын
How can they apologize when they would offend Rome???😊
@melodygn
8 күн бұрын
We are acting just as the medieval church did, "if you are not part of us, you are apostates" have we learned nothing?
@deborahoostendorp7319
8 күн бұрын
100% 😢
@rond5544
8 күн бұрын
Pastor Finley didn’t apologize for what happened during the Plandemic. He is attacking the messenger. He as a Leader is condoning the Apostasy and not calling it out, so he is as guilty as the Apostasy. The conference can not give you Salvation only those who keep the commandments of God and the Testimony of Jesus Christ.
@marvetwilliams2097
8 күн бұрын
@rond5544 Agree with you! Pastor Vine opened the conversations that should have happened years ago..really sad most of us have been or are bullied into silence in order not to lose status within our Movement. This is GOD'S Church but not all are GOD'S Watchmen!
@sheilapittman9797
8 күн бұрын
They need to teach God doctrine and not man doctrine build on the apostle and the prophet doctrine which is the doctrine of Christ not the organization made by man the relationship with God is a choice not a force live according to God's word and not man
@samuelbongcayao3733
8 күн бұрын
Looking at it now our hindsight is 20/20 . But not during the pandemic did Dr. Vine spoke about the vaccine to oppose it , i mean the way he spoke about it in Maine . No ! I was not vaccinated myself and some of my friends who thought that the vaccine will kill you after two years . But we really don’t know nor certain about it. What it IF the vaccine was the really the cure and those who did not take it will die , and many have died , then you will blame the conference for not taking action. You don’t blame a leader if there’s is apostasy in the Church. Can you blame Ted Wilson because Someone who is an SDA is eating pork , or someone an SDA goes to Las Vegas to gamble after church on Sabbath. You’re stupid if you do !
@zelphamcdonald1017
8 күн бұрын
God church will never fall the unfaithful will be shakeout by Ezekiel 9
@rond5544
8 күн бұрын
Gods remnant church won’t fall. In the Dark ages there weren’t no conferences, there were only individuals in secret to keep the church alive. I live in the NCC of SDA and we have 10 women pastors. I will redirect my tithes to a mission that preaches present truth. The Pastor we have from the conference has not preached the 3Angels message in a year.
@mobraun1970
8 күн бұрын
The church, may not be in apostasy… the conference definitely is!
@desmondhector9667
2 күн бұрын
God’s Church will not be in apostasy,then who will?
@davidharper1050
8 күн бұрын
Sounds like a pastor trying to keep his job. Just because people want to follow the old path and are removing themselves from apostasy dosen't mean they are leaving the church. If anything, the ones in apostasy have left the church and are forming a new organization. The church is not a building or conference it's the people. Unfortunately, the leaders brought this on themselves because of their positions in c19. Alot of faithful Adventist were abandoned and betrayed for money. They're still not addressing the issues so I do think it's time to separate from those who want to be like the world and the pastor's who are compromising Biblical truth. I also believe we should send our tithes to whoever was faithful during the crisis and whoever is in line with the original doctrines of the church regardless of whether they're independent or not. Whoever was faithful should receive the tithes period.
@garymcaleer6112
8 күн бұрын
Thanks, Bro Lawrence. Yours is the only voice I've found on KZitem's independent ministries that I have found rest in viewing. You speak as though we are sitting together. No preacher's artificial tone. As a musician, everything is interpreted through my ears. I've heard too many ministers give more reverence to their own words than the words of “our Lord Jesus Christ.” So, here is what I hear in Mark Finley's thesis: “I’m going to open my heart to you today share some convictions that I have about the church…Critics and skeptics are not my audience. My target audience today are honest hearted people that are asking serious questions and want Biblical answers.” This presumes that ‘critics and skeptics’ are not ‘honest hearted people’ and do not ‘want Biblical answers.’” We who adore “every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God” want Scripture's convictions about the church. Ellen, whose counsel aligned with “it is written” said that while the SDA Church is “the church of the Laodiceans” where pride is the essence of its character (Rev.3:17-19), it is not Babylon despite it's frailties. But to always evade the past & present sins of the church where at times, Ellen wept bitterly in her day, and to see what has unfolded since then with the dreadful inequality between the medical, pastoral & colporteur work that Ellen also exposed as a biased hierarchy when GOD ordained equality within the various branches of the work in Colporteur Ministry, “the books of heaven” tell a very different story than what is being spoken in defense of the church. When we hear of the church's call to revival the question deserves to be asked: Does not the Bible teach that repentance always precedes revival? How then can the 'latter rain' come to the church when there is barely a drizzle and the rain needed to soak the soil in the souls of men is non-existent? This is just one of many betrayals of leadership while claiming fidelity to “the righteousness of God, and our Saviour Jesus Christ.” Until the prayer of corporate repentance spoken by Daniel comes to the forefront of the church's introspection (Dan.9:5-7) the work will continue to be effectively crippled, keeping our “high priest” bound to the sanctuary, which in turn gives Satan more time to unleash his rage against the LORD by destroying the life He created with joyful perfection. “Cry aloud” has no presence. Hindering evangelism with cowardice postpones the 2nd Advent indefinitely. There is a reason Ellen said that the LORD will purposely keep people from joining the church. Repent = Life; Sin = Death. Simple arithmetic.
@Tm91studies
8 күн бұрын
Church will survive, GC won’t.
@GoodWillPrevail
8 күн бұрын
I like Finley yet I have distrust since C19. He told people they may be "selfish" for not taking the jab and protecting their neighbor. I can't understand why these godly men threw away the health message. Our church lost the opportunity to shine!
@Dream244
8 күн бұрын
I concur wholeheartedly
@tunsiehelden
8 күн бұрын
The church are the people. Not the building nor the “structure”. The modern SDA structure has drifted far from the time of the founders. The people that are still true to God, they are the church. Cling to the system all you want but you will be terribly disappointed. There’s nothing new under the sun
@venitajereniah2710
8 күн бұрын
I believe that people in the building are the church. Spiritually speaking, we are the church, believers. The believers need the physical building to worship God. He God said: make me a sanctuary that I may dwell in. That's the building. It's the patern he gave to Mosses. We need buildings called church to step into praise and worship God. Be strong, brothers and sisters in the Lord.
@venitajereniah2710
8 күн бұрын
I do not believe that Pastor Wilson, pastor Finley will go against God's word, and do the wrong thing. However if they do, we have to realize they are human, not perfect, and we all know that the devil will attach those who are called by God to uphold principles and preach thus said the Lord. Let us pray for the pastors and leaders to allow God to lead them to do right. The shaking is already in the church. Personal gain will not get pastors and elders to heaven. Yes, yes. The devil is attaching the church through pastors, leaders, and elders. Lord help us/them.
@Ashley-xq2bt
8 күн бұрын
God has a church. From the beginning, faithful souls have constituted the church on earth. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the multitude of various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments who are His denominated people in this era. ‘Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them.’ At times they have been perilously few, but where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ’s church, for the presence of the High and Holy One Who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church.... eg white
@tunsiehelden
8 күн бұрын
@@Ashley-xq2bt Amen 🙏🏽
@luenamsegnalu9046
4 күн бұрын
@@tunsiehelden Well said! The same was done with the leaders of the Jews both during Christ ministry and in 70 AD. No repentance, no forgiveness of sins! No forgiveness of sin, name blotted out in the book of life, no sealing! Therefore, sifted out with the storm. But the issue is the influence of these leaders on our people. It hurts to see up to today, no one even gestures a sign of remorse while we are approaching the final crisis. One may wonder, will our leadership really embrace the new mandates? Will they stand with the government against God's people? If they have done it to Christ the son of the Master, what will they do to us the servants and adoptive sons of the Master? Think my brothers and sisters, this is not the time to look at self, but the time to drain our warm from the coldness of our owns. The journey is almost over let's be faithful!
@Junior-n7r
8 күн бұрын
The True Church in the people that upholds pure truth not a structure. “That these men should stand in a sacred place, to be as the voice of God to the people, as we once believed the General Conference to be--that is past". --Last Day Events 50.4 "The church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of Christ is not in her midst." -Notebook Leaflets, p 99 "We are not saved as a sect; no denominational name has any virtue to bring us into favor with God. We are saved individually as believers in the Lord Jesus Christ." -RH 02/10/1891
@eunicemwavua
8 күн бұрын
1).Is there division in this our SDA church? 2) Is the SDAs in apostasy or does it still stand on the Rock of Ages, Jesus Christ, the pure Word of God made flesh as the early SDA pioneers left it. 3) Has what happened in 1888 been corrected or not? The Bible gives the answer: Matthew 25 and Parable of the wheat and tares. There are more tares in the church who are choking the wheat for teaching the truth and rebuking error. What does one do when disfellowshiped just by asking a question or giving their opinion? Is this good reason for disfellowship. Didn't the disciples of Jesus ask many questions in order to understand the truth? Summary:- a).During sr.Whites time and other pioneers, there was Alpha of Apostasy (departure from the faith) through Dr.Kellog & his book: "The Living Temple - spiritualistic and pantheistic ideas. Dr.Kellog later confessed he believed the Trinity doctrine. Read: 1SM p.197-200. b) The Messenger of God in 1SM page 193-206 summarizes what has happened in the SDA Church: The late Elder Robert Piersen in Ministry Magazine Oct.1977 in an article headed: "The Omega of Apostasy', gave ten points of what the Omega would look like, from Selected Messages Book 1 pages 193-206. Ten Points of Omega of Apostasy in the SDA Church: 1) "The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the Remnant Church, would be discarded." P.204 2) "They make of no effect the truth of heavenly origin." P.204 3) "Our religion would be changed." P.204 4) "The Sabbath of course would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. P.205 5) "The supposition that a great reformation was to take place among SDAs, and that this reformation would consist in giving up doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith." P.204 6) "A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced." P 204 7) It would seek to weaken the preaching of the Second Advent by teaching "that the scenes just before us are not of sufficient importance to be given special attention." P.204 8) "Books of a new order would be written." P.204 9)."A new organization would be established." P.204 10) "Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement." P.205 To get more on these ten points of Omega of Apostasy you may buy the book: "The Omega of Apostasy" by Ron Spear or "Omega" by Lewis R.Walton; from Hartland Publications or order from Amazon. Pst Ron Spear in his book states on p.20: "Doctrinally, we are now in apostasy.: But, Rev.3:18-22: There is hope for Laodicea (SDA church movement) by heeding this counsel. I also believe Christ will purify His 7th Laodicean SDA church at the enforcement of the Sunday Law. Meanwhile, there is a SHAKING going on in the SDA Church. Each individual will be tested to dare stand alone like Daniel. My conclusion: The SDA church is not Babylon, for the truth God gave this church is still available for true seekers (Her 29:13), but babylon is in the heads of many (tares).
@ladonnaheadley6278
8 күн бұрын
I find this entire situation very distressful and feel that it is taking too much of our time. Let Dr. Vine address this with the GC and the discussion happen there. We need to be concentrating on preaching the gospel. This division is not helping and is taking our focus away from what we should be using out time for.
@moniheiser4594
8 күн бұрын
The current denomination no longer resembles the original SDA church. So, the current denomination is a new and different organization but there will remain a remnant, those that remain true will follow the Lamb wherever He goes. In the apostles time the church also didn't want the truth spoken but the apostles said they must obey God and not man. There is a problem when truth is censured.
@beaelleess3892
8 күн бұрын
AMEN! 🙏 ❤❤❤❤
@lenajarcov6347
8 күн бұрын
АMEN❤
@questor5189
8 күн бұрын
This was actually a very good sermon by Pastor Finley. However, if one follows the trend, going back one hundred and fourty years, one can clearly see how Adventism has adopted doctrines and practices that bring it closer to the very thing it was called out of.
@GaryMarquett
8 күн бұрын
GC putting tithes on Stockmarket makes all SDA pastors accountable
@deborahoostendorp7319
8 күн бұрын
100% correct! What hypocrisy from Mark Finley and all the SDA Conference pastors who have deceived the congregation.
@RUDNIKTL1
8 күн бұрын
Can that be shown? Where?
@GaryMarquett
7 күн бұрын
@@RUDNIKTL1 Google it...Ted Wilson has a page about it and says its ok to do So😏
@GaryMarquett
7 күн бұрын
@@RUDNIKTL1Google it
@tannynieves4352
8 күн бұрын
The church and the organization is two different things
@user-vv1rh9uq6v
8 күн бұрын
The church made it's decision during the pandemic
@deborahoostendorp7319
8 күн бұрын
Why? Because they needed the money! What utter deception and hypocrisy! Who has broken the 10 Commandments now? The love of money is certainly the root of all evil.
@curbweasel
2 күн бұрын
Please continue to pray for my beloved friend Scott who is suffering from mental health affliction and addiction. No one can help but God and I have been praying that He would deliver, heal and save my friend. Scott is a kind soul that needs God's intervention. Please cry out to God with me for my friend and for me.
@TheHolyAvatior
8 күн бұрын
Ok! So if we are remnant, and we are not Babylon, why don’t the leaders censoring others on issues that affect the regular members!? When will they address the issues that clearly are still on our hearts? Come now let us reason together! Things need to be addressed so we can move forward!!
@barbaravalmont3857
8 күн бұрын
Good question. They will not do that, which is sad. It’s about the good old clubs. That’s why Mark had to go to Andrews to be able to climb up 😅
@cheryl-anncheryl-ann442
8 күн бұрын
One wonders why " whole churches will be lost". We are behaving like WE CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH.
@kk6345
8 күн бұрын
Why dont we see the leaders bringing in apostacy being canceled.... it says a lot to me
@rond5544
8 күн бұрын
@@kk6345 Amen because the Enemy works from within
@karengriffith4021
7 күн бұрын
Ganoune Diop is one who is welcomed by GC yet he by all evidence (fruit) is a jesuit.
@TheGateKeeper001
8 күн бұрын
You must also remember that most conference employed folks will tow the company line, and/or independent ministries that depend on being "in good and regular standing" still somewhat depend on 'towing the line' .
@iDreamFactory
8 күн бұрын
And by the same token independent ministries that need people’s diverted tithe dollars survive by NOT “toeing the line.” So there are considerations to be made on all sides.
@Susan-kd1kp
8 күн бұрын
If only the unfaithful are shaken out then the current leadership which appears to be part of the tares at this point either need to repent or be shaken out of their positions and be replaced by faithful men that will take their place. They may stay within the church and grow with the wheat, but not as leaders.
@trotmanCE
8 күн бұрын
NAD has already separated when it went against GC as far as women’s ordination.
@hgpsale7605
8 күн бұрын
That is very true ...their leaders needs to be disciplined...why they are still on GC payroll i don't understand
@macrumbly2910
8 күн бұрын
Pastor Finley you are presenting a word salad! After the passion of Christ the faithful ones were meeting Not in synagogue but in small groups, in homes ,etc. They were the faithful ones and synagogue leaders were in apostasy. Please use caution because words matter. Dr Vine wasn’t saying start a new movement but to CONTINUE with the gospel delivered to the saints wherever it is being practiced. GC has over looked votes in full session for years and the‘people will have it so’ .Dr Vine is not calling people OUT but calling them back INTO God’s remnant truth. Praise be to God’s faithful servants.
@patrickzimuto-n2q
8 күн бұрын
I advise all to be watchful in these last days otherwise we may fall into some traps we would not be able to come out of. Let us strive hard to identify ourselves more with Christ than individuals and formations. Let's do the work of He who called us out from darkness into marvelous light.
@Truthteller58-z3c
8 күн бұрын
I stop listening to Finley a long time ago to say that a church is not in Apostasy the devil is a lier this is why the Lord say to come out of Babylon her my people
@mbubb4626
8 күн бұрын
God's church will survive. These things happening in the church are a distraction.
@kevinfrancis7030
8 күн бұрын
Prophesy has been fulfilling on the church and it is not liked. It is time for us to wake up and realized we will not be saved because your name is on the church records. The "Church" are those who stand on principle in these last days. To the Law and to the Testimony, if they speak not, its because there is no light in them. Chirst and the disciples were not apart of the sanedrian. They were independent of the church that existed then because of this same thing. We are living in the last days. It is time for God's people to rise up and stand on the word of God and hold those who regard it lightly accountable.
@raulrubin-z8w
8 күн бұрын
LAODECIA MEANS: THE ONE WHO JUDGE.I AGREED MR.FINLEY.
@kathycurtis6359
8 күн бұрын
Notice that Jesus stands outside the door of the Laodicean church. Who put Him out when in Ephesus He was inside walking between the candlesticks? Jesus spews out the lukewarm, complacent so called christian like the GC who goes along to get along with the world. Finley is whitewashing and avoiding the responsibilty the GC has to confess and repent to the church (GC is not the church) for the harm they have done, then repent and mend their ways. His talk is full of psychological mind games meant to divert attention from the sins of the GC to the people. Corruption is clear.
@love_myfam
8 күн бұрын
Going with the flow...very unfortunate that our church leaders going Woke and conforming. The shaking has started. Dr. Conrad Vine spoke boldly. Blessings to Dr. Vine. The Gospel needs to be spoken boldly and unapologetically.
@TheWatchman1888
8 күн бұрын
Dr. Conrad Vine understands this below quote. The greatest want of the world is the want of men-men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall. But such a character is not the result of accident; it is not due to special favors or endowments of Providence. A noble character is the result of self-discipline, of the subjection of the lower to the higher nature-the surrender of self for the service of love to God and man. Ed 57.3 - Ed 57.4 These are the types of men God is looking for in these last days.
@samsungblu1023
8 күн бұрын
Thank You Brother Lawrence. You Have Said It All. You Are Definitely A Child Of Jesus Christ. 🤗🙏🥰
@patrickkrueger8768
8 күн бұрын
When you see the abomination of desolation standing in the Holy place flee to the mountains, he that hath an ear let him here what the spirit says
@judecuniah45
8 күн бұрын
But why leaders promoting LGBT heresy , woman's ordination, participating in oecumenism, are not banned? Why should members give their tithes to conferences where these heresies exist?
@radamus4919
8 күн бұрын
Brother Lawrence, it would be fair if you put the link of the whole video, so brothers and sisters can listen to the whole sermon. You show us what you think is essentieel for people to listen and for you to comment on. With that being said, people need to study and be critical for themself and not taking any perspective people are presenting. May God bless you brother Lawrence.
@johnbrown9253
8 күн бұрын
God sends people to help work through differences. God wants his people to get it right or be shaken out.
@douglasmorgany9702
8 күн бұрын
God has a church. It's not the great cathedral, neither is it the great establishment, neither is it the various denominations; It's the people who love God and keep His commandments. Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I'M in the midst of them. Where Christ is, even among the humble few, this's Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone consistitute a church. Where two or three are present, who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides. Ellen G White, 17MR pg 81.
@user-eu7kj6qh1n
8 күн бұрын
GOD is shaking all churches Lord have Mercy.
@7ashoBeam
8 күн бұрын
Rom_9:27 "Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:" The fact is that a remnant was always what's left which simply means that the cureent 22 million existing SDAs cannot be the remnasnt because the remnant was never the whole.
@keithphillip8403
8 күн бұрын
It is time that church members understood that everywhere there is work to be done in the Lord's vineyard. No one is to wait for a regular process before they make any efforts. They should take up the work right where they are. There should be many at work in what are called "irregular lines." If one hundred laborers would step out of the "regular lines" and take up self-sacrificing work such as Brother Shireman has done, souls would be won to the Lord. And the workers would understand by experience what it means to be laborers together with God. Can it be that 16LtMs, Lt 109, 1901, par. 12 - 16LtMs, Lt 109, 1901, par. 13
@tiger7777
8 күн бұрын
Mark's words: Those who are the world conforming class. That is Conrad Vine's argument exactly. Why is Finley twisting this very point to make Vine look like the bad guy? 11:40 in.
@godlywife
8 күн бұрын
Praise the Lord Jesus is coming soon!❤
@joshuanurse-endtimewatcher
8 күн бұрын
Church militant will become church triumphant at the passing of Sunday
@barbaravalmont3857
8 күн бұрын
Keep waiting for that.😢The Church is not working towards being triumphant anymore. It’s about fame and fortune nowadays. We have gone away from our calling in all aspects 😅
@t81629
8 күн бұрын
What exactly is church militant?
@barbaravalmont3857
7 күн бұрын
@@t81629 a Church = people of God who keeps his word without adding or taking out anything from it. A Church militant will know who their Father is and his son, Jesus Christ who died for them. They adhere to his teachings etc. They will not lay in bed with the beast doing everything the world is doing such as lying to their people for the sake of their own gains etc…
@barbaravalmont3857
7 күн бұрын
In other words they don’t compromise their faith for worldly purposes!!!
@LornaDrysdale
8 күн бұрын
The Latter Rain will not fall on anyone who has failed to heed the Laodicean warning message. FE page 338-339, Ellen G White. The destiny of the church hangs on its response to that message.
@GuillermoCastro-s9k
8 күн бұрын
Pastor Mark Finley has spoken correctly and clearly! I agree to all that he said!
@eldenecherylgoosen2106
8 күн бұрын
I agree with both of you perfectly. We must earnestly pray for our Church. Hold onto Jesus and His Church 🙏🙏🙏
@mikesprott3820
8 күн бұрын
We all agree the devil is attacking the church however this not the time to rebel and divide the church. We have to pray for the church. I have fate that God will correct the issues.
@Joanne_uk
8 күн бұрын
What if God wants the church to split? The separation of wheat and tares. We don’t know what the results of the shaking look like but one thing we do know is that there is no “sitting on the fence”. Those who ignore serious issues in the church in the name of unity are enabling those in apostasy to continue thus putting themselves on the wrong side. We must pray for leadership and that the church doesn’t split but apostasy, especially that of leadership, needs to addressed and dealt with.
@tunsiehelden
8 күн бұрын
@@Joanne_ukYou’re right the tares have to be separated from the wheat. It’s the same as in Jesus time. The leaders abused their power and were not leading the sheep. Same thing. Signs of the times.
@katenugentsanudo7385
8 күн бұрын
Don't fight against God. He's cleaning his church, Ezk and others talk about it, SOP told us also. Time is short.
@Oscar-hj7fp
8 күн бұрын
God does not correct who does not want to be corrected!
@theworldinchrist4149
8 күн бұрын
Love mark Finley ❤️🩹. And am still remaining in the sda church till my Lord Jesus coming. These para... Is yours to keep but I am standing in this remnant church. I believe there cannot be another remnant. Ipray that those arguments should not reach Zambia in Jesus Christ name. Amen
@katenugentsanudo7385
8 күн бұрын
You are part of the body of Christ. The body is the church not the few men at the top. Jesus is our leader not man. ❤
@danielthomasmsigwa31
8 күн бұрын
The true remnant will appear after spue, after Sunday law
@danielthomasmsigwa31
8 күн бұрын
My self don't leave the organised body of Christ; but I can't agree with their cohesian force; to be under the system doesn't mean you agree with everything
@pmbwalya2909
8 күн бұрын
Rev 12: 17 if inferred as the final " organisation " Remnant may lead many to comfort. In every age, there have been faithful remnants who were called out to stand for truth. The shaking out does not refer to organisation but to Truth. Those who give up truth are shaken out and those who uphold remain. Otherwise, there would not be the called out. Loedecia is not organisational but at individual level more importantly. The Lord is not saving us at organisation level but at individual level.....we must believe in Jesus Christ as an individual and so will be judged as such. Its kind of universalism if we accept that the church goes through as an organisation...." it's the people who love God and keep His commandments" that go through. Pray and read my Brethren.
@GHOST_2EDITSPR0DS
8 күн бұрын
It's not even about leaving the church, but history will repeat itself, back in the day of Christ it was the church leaders that teamed up with the state to crucify our dear Jesus, Ellen white says that conferences will be lost, they also sent her away to Australia to silence her, it's all there you can read it. There is a sifting going on and it's almost over, probation is closing soon, hold fast my brother, GOD BLESS.
@leetabaychu3905
8 күн бұрын
I am holding on to my beliefs in the bible and the sda church. Lets look to Jesus and continue to do the Lord's work. God bless.
@Oscar-hj7fp
8 күн бұрын
Sadly your beliefs are wrong, you need to reread the Bible!
@deborahoostendorp7319
8 күн бұрын
No, hold only on to the Word of God and seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit for Truth, putting cognitive dissonance aside. Keep your eyes fixed on Jesus🙏
@leonardbarrett3620
8 күн бұрын
Wow, such hypocrisy. Mark Finley speaks like a lamb, but he is a dragon. He has not spoken specifically about any of the apostasy that are increasing and affecting the church like Dr. Vine did. He speaks with "fork tongue." I do not listen to any of them who are quiet about the apostasy in the church. All the patriarchs and prophets in the Bible and Ellen White called out them, who turned a blind eye to apostasy in God's church. Pastor Finley is and others are obstacles to the working of the Holy Spirit in his church. The Holy Spirit will eventually move them out of the way, one way and the other.
@TheAlphonseFamily
8 күн бұрын
Leaders did not apologize about their choice that affected members of the church. Acts 20: 28, 29 must be taken to heart. "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock." May we fulfill the prayer of our Savior found in John 17 21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." Blessings to all and keep our leaders in prayer and continue to contend for the faith that was given to the saints.
@viki7469
8 күн бұрын
The church in apostasy is not saying it is Babylon, the church is in apostasy. This is why there will be a remnant of a remnant. The fact that God has to call for separation makes that clear.
@normanramirez-rx7hy
8 күн бұрын
You got it wrong. Apostasy can be advised against ,but not enforced in forth or against . The church can't enforce the conscience of any member. Nor their choices. That's what's wrong with this video right now ,playing for both teams . We either belong to the church of God and work for it or flat out deny it.
@unathiyapi9136
8 күн бұрын
He has the same mentality as the jews , it was said the church wont fall but they didnt know that It doesnt mean buildings and church structure . Many died inside the temple they burnt alive the most painful death
@leonorarowe6183
8 күн бұрын
As we sitting under apostasy just listening to lolaby or weak sermons, no preparation for what is coming the Sunday law, and so forth, eating and drinking, worldly pleasure etc will we be prepared to a just say the Lord.? The GC. And many conference minister are sold out for money, sorry I will not sit down Mark Finley, and Elder T Wilson APOSTASY.
@garysouthwell5762
8 күн бұрын
Thank you for your fair and un biased balance approach to Church problems Brother Lawrence
@carolwebberley5047
8 күн бұрын
What I am seeing here is that those in leadership that did wrong are in the category of God doing the shaking, but Dr. Conrad Vine is held responsible for "his actions".... by the leadership.... double standards don't sit well with me....
@killerillusionnightmare2361
8 күн бұрын
why the logo of SDA is change from 3 angel to book with fire of six flame and with the opposite of cross! what the symbol mean to the message of the prophecy of revelation? is sda became occult movement with the opposite from the three angel measage? 🤔☹😢😭😡
@canadiancontrarian3668
8 күн бұрын
Good question.
@sheilaebey2210
8 күн бұрын
The devil is coming from many sides. It's a shame what happened to Dr Vine. Where is the discussion and prayer? Where is the heart , love , and mercy of the father. SDA churches are acting like it never happened as it doesn't affect our church? As an SDA member am I suppose to be silent and say nothing and watch others do harm. Right now I'm in deep prayer asking God for guidance. I will follow the lords word and not man’s. It seems that even our leaders are looking to place blame. “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.” Matthew:12:26
@MsAure
8 күн бұрын
CHURCH= Gods followers.The saints.Those who have the testimony of Jesus and follow his commands. ALL OF HIS COMMANDS NOT SOME. THOUGH SHALL NOT LIE IS ONE.They will not back track ever.
@_Charm02
8 күн бұрын
Why did Moses break the ten commandments ? Apostasy, calf worship, that's exactly where the SDA at now worshipping a different god from the Creator, heathen preaching contemporary worship service, dancing, nakedness, women pastors makeup, nail painting, false hair, al the Egyptian lifestyle(etc) where is the leader like Moses?
@NewHeartVocals
8 күн бұрын
Do you know who was also called extremists? Wycliffe, Huss, Jerome, Luther and even E G.White, amongst others. Jesus himself was regarded as an opposer of the status quo, because the truth always meets with opposition. I suggest that if we steer away from looking at men and really focus on our bibles and the SOP we will understand that the events of yesteryear with the reformers are being replicated today. Think about what that will look like in present day and how those men will be regarded. Noah was also an extremist subject to the harshest criticism, how many years did he persist and how many listened? The church is being groomed to accept the mandates of men not realising we are already in a state of apostasy. The only reason the SDA church today, is not being persecuted is because it is not delivering God’s word as it should. It poses no opposition or threat to the world. That in itself should cause us to hear alarm bells, rather than castigating those ringing the alarm bell!! “The church has turned back from following Christ her Leader and is steadily retreating toward Egypt” 5T 217:2
@marvetwilliams2097
8 күн бұрын
@@NewHeartVocals Mercy!! Amen🗣📖📚
@leonorarowe6183
8 күн бұрын
Apostasy in the church, the church itself is not in apostasy, who made up the church, the people, or the boardings? The people who lead the churches are in apostasy. This message is not genuine, deceiving the people is misleading . Why is he diverting the echoes of Dr Vine with some things else. God had always had a remnant from Genesis to Revelations Isaiah 1:19 the unfaithful will remain until the end like Judas, the sda advent doctrines , and principles will remain until Jesus comes. The main leaders, the high rank leaders like Finley Ted Wilson, elder G Diop they are the ones that support apostasy. They talk from both sides of their mouth.
@RUDNIKTL1
8 күн бұрын
There is a great field to work for God, it is within the SDA church. Many have come in that know very little of the truth and how to live it. There is plenty to do here. While we are here, let us encourage each other.
@drjohnniekruger6025
2 күн бұрын
I have been raised in the church, according to Scripture and the Testimony of Jesus (S/ToJ) and I have studied S/ToJ for decades! Ll my studies have been documebted on book format and distributed internationally and to many in authority in the church! In this process I have had written interaction, over more than 2 years, with the GC, about the deviations voted on by the GC exec! The Divisions received my studies, the Local Union and some local conferences, and long discussions with Presidents, and many agreed with me, but they were afraid to lose their job if they reject the church manual. I served a 4 year contract with the understanding I will never follow the church manual instructions, spesifically the "voting" principle! The ToJ states it clearly, come back to Theocracy, reject democracy the basic cause of corruption in sentiments and principles by the GC!! All these current arguments are not going anywhere!!
@MsB-rh2nv
8 күн бұрын
Lawrence, why didn't you play the quotes from Ellen White on how GOD WILL address the issues of 'defective church leadershi and organization'? Selected Msg V2 p320, Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers pp45,49, speaks clearly about her and Bible teaching on 'para-churches'. Those who don't believe in SOP will ignore or refute. But those who do need to search and study for themselves.
@susanjohn3813
8 күн бұрын
God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. "Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them." [Matthew 18:20.] Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the high and holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church. Where two or three are present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides; let it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city enclosed in prison walls 4LtMs, Lt 108, 1886, par. 17
@ErimaNelson
8 күн бұрын
If people are complaining that they're the cause of all these problems, let them step down
@vladimirpujic4087
8 күн бұрын
(1) Does 'shaking' only refer to those bellow Conferences, Pastors and members, or (2) is the shaking going to happen among all of the rankings, from members through Conferences, Unions, Divisions, to the GC itself? It seems Pastor Finley only refers to #1, although the very Scripture he's reading does not recognize those artificial administrative structures.
@delmahnori1582
8 күн бұрын
Appotasy in the church of sda should not be a surprise. It has been predicted by Jesus when He told his disciples what will happen before his second coming where the very elect or the faithful can fall. We should be happy that these signs are happening and instead of condemning each other, sda people should work harder more to save more people Jesus comes. Let those who apostasy in the church be. But for them to preach doctrine that is not biblical the church must be strong to resist it. Try to investigate the issue with much prayer so God can show it somehow. Jesus did not allow controversy and argument in regard to his words as he instructed his disciples before he left to heaven. But there will come a falling away. The anti-christ will come from the members of the church not outside. The church leaders and discuss the mistakes made and apologise. What happened during COVID19 the sda church leaders should take the responsibility to help their members who lost everything. We should learn from the churches in the time of the apostles in the book ofActs hiw they do collections to help church members who faced similar situation. The leaders of sda church should learn from Jesus. He lived a poor life for the sake of others. He lived for others his entired life while on earth. He instructed his disciples to serve others and not themselves. Satan is the opposite of this teaching and he us now attacking the church through its leaders. Remember the word of Jesus if you want to be great you must be a servant. The church need much prayer in this end time for leaders to be humble and do the right. For sda church members, look to Jesus as your leader and not human leaders. Human leaders make mistake. Only by looking to Christ we can be saved. Position and money cannot save anyone. The church was established to take the gospel to all the world. It was not established for positions or fundraising but to save more souls for heaven.
@LornaDrysdale
8 күн бұрын
The sealing mark of the Spirit comes only to those who sigh and cry for the abominations that be doe in the midst of Jerusalem. To the others, will come the new message of truth, brought forth by Elijah (the man with the inkhorn) which becomes the furbished sword of the Lord, the rod of His mouth, and can bring no pertinent meaning or conviction to the proud, self-sufficient Laodicean, who will not bear the straight testimony of the true Witness. The new truth becomes a sword of destruction, symbolized by the 5 men who follow after. See Ezekiel 9:5,6.
@reconciliacionenjesus
4 күн бұрын
I am 7th day adventist and the apostasía is clear, you could see in the music, the Pathfinder Clubs, the Sabbath violation, the adultery, fornication... Do you want to see more? Go and it at your church. Jesus, please, come soon! Thanks @BroLawrence.
@michaelkopf5160
8 күн бұрын
There are to many ostrich in our church that don’t keep up with current events. Im with Conrad
@lifehealth247
8 күн бұрын
The logo with the upside down cross is just becoming more and more prominent.
@andrewlawrence9369
8 күн бұрын
I agree with Pastor Finley and your comments.
@Oscar-hj7fp
8 күн бұрын
Well then you have not studied anything like most adventists, you just follow whoever you wish though they take you to lose your life
@Rio-uv1gs
8 күн бұрын
The reason this is happening is because Conrad VIne was suggesting that in the future some lay pastors/leaders will have to organize a lay conference and incorporate and memebers will return their tithes there and they'll create a committee to decide which conferences will recieve monies based on whether they are faithful to scripture. (THIS IS DIVISIVE) ...and were seeing the proof
@Mannifold
8 күн бұрын
Mark Findley is calling true-hearted believers "skeptics". I call him a proud pharisee and a criminal.
@jimbob4988
8 күн бұрын
Is it possible that Vine's message was more about the PRACTICAL processes that will happen to the church as time gets closer to the mark of the beast? What will happen to the physical church? Will the state just ignore the corporate church? Will the General Conference just continue to function as it is now?.......... Looking at it practically and logically there will become a time in the near future that we as believers may not be able to meet in churches, or pay our tithe. We will meet in homes, in dens and caves, etc. This is what I understood from Dr Vine. The COVID situation was a dress rehearsal....
@mmdunne
Сағат бұрын
Exactly!
@jmasa32
8 күн бұрын
The dilemma for SDA is if there is a split.. who is going to be the remnant of a remnant?
@beaelleess3892
8 күн бұрын
The remnant looks exactly like the pioneers….. that is the organization that God lead to form….
@marvetwilliams2097
8 күн бұрын
Pastor Pastor Mark Finley has changed over the decades😔. He brought thousands of souls to Truth but something happened not sure what but he has become politically correct so much so it's tragic to listen to him. Where is the 3Angels Message in Verity...Revival & Reformation Message? Hypocrisy
@palmpame
8 күн бұрын
I could not agree with you more it is the truth.
@carltonwright7328
8 күн бұрын
In full agreement with you, it all started when he was elected as a vice president, and I think it was planned.
@MsB-rh2nv
8 күн бұрын
He does seem to lean MAGA, sometimes. However, his Bible and SOP quotes can not be denied.
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