I think they should have concluded this battle with a bit of arm wrestling.
@JoshBabin
5 жыл бұрын
I prefer the Metro, but...Adrianne seems pretty tough. She might be able to take Colin
@davidmathews2124
3 жыл бұрын
@@JoshBabin I’m thinking mud wrestling!
@michaell.johnson3207
2 жыл бұрын
Ummm, pens don't have arms. Duh!
@Ambicrush
2 жыл бұрын
The stage was set
@stansenter2660
2 жыл бұрын
Pen fight to the death ala John Wick style...
@Dobj319
5 жыл бұрын
The only reason either of them is considered introductory is the price. They are both sophisticated writers. And at their prices it isn’t difficult to have both of them.
@HeadsUpTV
5 жыл бұрын
In India, there's a solid 10 dollars difference between the two. The Lamy is the expensive one.
@suprxmestorm7090
5 жыл бұрын
Darold Booton Any pen with a silver nib isn’t sophisticated.
@jamesaritchie1
4 жыл бұрын
@@HeadsUpTV There's a heck of a lot bigger difference between the two here than ten dollars. Or there was. Lamy has dropped the price on the Safari and the AL-Star, but many of them are still twenty to thirty dollars more than a Pilot. But Pilot intentionally sells the Metropolitan at or near what it costs to make them. Often below what it costs to make. They want people to climb the Pilot ladder all the way up to their Namiki Maki-e and Chinkin pens that can cost as much as $15,000. The Metropolitan isn't meant to generate a profit, it's meant to get users hooked on Pilot pens. In business, it's called a "loss leader". You sell one product at a loss in order to lead them to bigger, better, more expensive products.
@subhankar2005
4 жыл бұрын
@@HeadsUpTV Really so. I purchased a Lamy to try out entry level fountain pens from the western pen manufacturers. I was surprised that for more money you actually get less with Lamy. Like my Pilot more.
@irresponsiblyblue1411
4 жыл бұрын
@@subhankar2005 It varies a lot. I can buy a Lamy Safari or even Alstar for less than a Pilot Metropolitan.
@Thund3rLotus
5 жыл бұрын
I love seeing how passionate these people are about pens. There's something relaxing about listening to people talking about pens.
@Crazytesseract
Жыл бұрын
You haven't seen persons who are passionate about plant leaves, batteries, soda bottles, matchboxes?
@dragonoz1968
5 жыл бұрын
I have both and personally prefer the Lamy. The Metropolitan was my first ever fountain pen, but once I got the Lamy my Metro didn't feel as easy to write with. I also agree with Adrienne, for a beginner the Lamy having the ability to change nibs so easily is a great feature.
@arghyadipghoshg18
Жыл бұрын
I don't think that the process of changing nibs is so much hard and a process of so long time of Pilot Metropolitan... (as a metro user) as we write with fountain pen in leisure and in a mood of relaxation.... 😅 However I do respect of your views 🙏🏼
@prateekbhanushali1956
Жыл бұрын
Is it possible to place a LAMY nib on a Pilot pen? Just a wild thought lol
@TroubledCarOwner
Жыл бұрын
@@prateekbhanushali1956Lamy uses proprietary nibs. They only fit Lamy pens
@MrChippinator
7 ай бұрын
The thing with Lamy is that it seems people either love them or hate them. I’m like you, I love Lamy. I have met very few people that don’t like Pilot though. Lamy is a bit more daring in their design philosophy I would say, Pilot is much more traditional.
@Roaringsquid
5 жыл бұрын
And voila, the poll says the Metropolitan wins! Go team pilot
@vwood2
5 жыл бұрын
Glad I don’t have to choose, as I love both pens! They’re great writers, affordable, very durable, and feel very good in the hand. If I was limited to just one brand, I’d go with Lamy Safari - they’ve served me well for over 20 years. Lamy looks funky, is very comfortable to hold, and has broader nib options, to show off ink. I love the Metro’s colours, but it’s section is a bit too narrow to write with for longer periods. However, they’re both great buys, and perfect to start off with.
@jamesaritchie1
4 жыл бұрын
I have many problems with the Safari, price being one of them. Lamy uses one of the cheapest plastics out there, and I've lost count of how many people have sent me a Safari that broke at the section. I don't think the grip is comfortable, but that's purely personal. The nibs drive me crazy. Out of nine pens ,I've owned, only one had a smooth nib. Every one of the others needed work before they were usable. And the nib wings are very weak. Get just a little heavy handed, and they will bend over time. But mostly it goes back to price. In sixty years of using fountain pens, the Safari is by far the most overpriced pen I've ever seen. I've had two manufacturers tell me they could make the same pen, sell it at Walmart for ten bucks, and make a very good profit. I know enough about manufacturing from my marketing experience to believe them. I think the Safari just came along at the perfect time when it had zero competition, so Lamy could set the price much higher than it should have been. Then came the Metro and Jinhao. Fine. But then came Wingsung, and now comes Moonman, and Pilot has added other pens at or below the price of a Safari. Die hard, long term Lamy loved will love Lamy pens forever, but fewer and fewer and fewer new users are jumping onto that bandwagon now, and Lamy has to lower prices if the want to compete.
@hi-vt2wt
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesaritchie1 over where I live, the safari is 10 pounds lol
@pastorslw
5 жыл бұрын
Good to see you still think of us "budget minded" pen lovers out here! We may dream of and save for the L2k or that Edison... but our pocket book keeps us using our Safaris and Metropolitans... as well as our Noodlers inks. Keep them in stock and do videos like this now and again!
@jzaruen3099
3 жыл бұрын
I was debating on which one to get, but the price and the converter of the Metropolitan made me get it. It's such a fun pen to use, and I noticed that my handwriting while not pretty, looked neater when using a fountain pen. So glad I got one.
@whatsername131313
5 жыл бұрын
You can pry my Lamy collection out of my cold, dead hands lol cannot wait for the pastels
@robbiemer8178
5 жыл бұрын
wait, I thought "shading" was a good thing in our FP world? Ahem. I like things about both pens but just really can't come to grips with the Lamy section....(sorry. :) )err, I mean that while I like how ell the LAMY writes and I think the nibs a very good, the triangular grip just doesn't work. For me. With the Pilot, I quite like the size and classic shape. I do also find the nib a good writing experience. My choice ends up as the Metropolitan only because of the gripd on the Lamy. I can not fault either pen, both are well made and, I think, a great deal for the price. I wonder if some epoxy filler could be used to alter the section of the Lamy so it is round...and still have the cap fit correctly... Thank you, Brian, Adrienne, and Colin for this amicable debate!
@Gouletpens
5 жыл бұрын
I knew the grip was a deal breaker for some! That's why I like the CP1 from LAMY because it does away with the triangular grip. Thanks for watching. :) - Colin
@gertahnstrom784
5 жыл бұрын
@@Gouletpens Don't forget the Logo, which is closer in price to the Safari/Vista/All-star.
@1996BRECHT
5 жыл бұрын
I started with a CP1 at first because I liked the design more than a Safari, but I bought an All Black Special Edition and once I started using it for long writing sessions (I'm at a University) I fell in love with the grip. I only ocasionally use the CP1 for writing titles or highlighting haha, it has another ink than the Safari :)
@kevinxxx1387
5 жыл бұрын
I have two Metropolitans, and I'd like them a lot more if their grips had larger diameters. Write now (?) my favorites are actually the Pilot Petit1s; I like them even better than my Noodler's Ahabs. Their fine points are "just right", their nibs glide right over Rhodia paper, and their grips are a good thickness. In addition they're just long enough posted, and capped they fit almost anywhere.
@craighawkins5545
5 жыл бұрын
My Metropolitans (2) sometimes have small leaks and sometimes hard starts. My Lamy writes perfect everytime and never leaks. Metropolitans write a little smoother than the Lamy. Anyone else have this experience?
@christinao1787
5 жыл бұрын
Yes. Pilot Metropolitan nibs can be scratchy on some papers. The sacs within the Metropolitans I have to replace soon after purchase. Like yours, my LAMY writes perfectly, not only on superior papers like Tomoe River and Clairefontaine but standard paper as well.
@codyh39
5 жыл бұрын
Ohh I hate the scratchiness of my Lamy! I've actually not had the problem with my metropolitan leaking, and I definitely prefer the smoothness of my metropolitan. I really only carry the Safari when I'm out and about because it is a pen that if I bust up by accident, at least it's not either of the metropolitans. I would say the only thing that the Safari does have over the metropolitan is the converter. But even still, I'd rather ink up my metropolitan more often then write with the Safari. But all in all, I still want to make a note that the Safari is not a bad pen, it's just I prefer the metropolitan much more.
@thedevinluu
5 жыл бұрын
I have had a tiny leak with my Metropolitan, but it’s never given me hard starts. I actually get that with my Lamy sometimes. 🤔 I still love both those pens though! It would be hard for me to choose one over the other.
@mariacastillo5625
5 жыл бұрын
Yep. My Metros are longer enjoyable for the same reasons. Safaris arw ready to go!
@annikania2682
5 жыл бұрын
Craig Hawkins I have 4 safaris right now, my oldest being nearly 9 years old. Three of them write perfectly smooth, no. 4 and my Lamy Studio can be preeeety scratchy by times. But they are still reliable, definitely more then that leaking ans splotchy thing that is my metropolitan.
@paris2993
4 жыл бұрын
I have a lamy , a metro , two parkers( vector gold and frontier ), but I find myself writing more with my camlin
@13ballom
3 жыл бұрын
Thats cuz u only have a camlin
@Kiersten79
5 жыл бұрын
I own both pens, have similar opinions regarding both pens.. I don’t have a clear leader between them, so I switch back and forth from one day to the next. I will say, for nitpicking sake, I prefer the superfine nib of the Pilot and that it doesn’t need to be refilled as often as the Lamy-but neither issue is disruptive or deters in any way the pleasure I derive from writing or the utility of either option. **note: these are the only fountain pens I own at the moment and was pleasantly surprised and amused to see my own observations so concisely highlighted**
@by_di3go_usa96
3 жыл бұрын
4:07 she's so sassy 😂🤣
@TheMountainWulf
3 жыл бұрын
I've never once had a problem with not being able to see the ink inside, or it running out of ink on me. You can tell it's running low, long before it runs out. Also, I know how long a fill tends to last me, and can just fill it a day before it should run out. I think it running out is something that would only ever happen once at most, when you first get a pen.
@sanmitrapol3402
2 жыл бұрын
I mean these pens are for people new to fountain pens and they might not be able to tell that its running out. Also inking to us is a very normal thing but someone new to it might expect the ink to last longer than it does.
@seth1393
5 жыл бұрын
I love my lamys. I don't have a metro but I do have two kakuno pens. And they are a little bit scratchy on not so smooth paper, while on the same paper lamy does just perfect.
@Ausf.D.A.K.
3 жыл бұрын
I've never used a nib as good as the Metropolitan's.
@larissat6653
5 жыл бұрын
Don't have a safari but I love my metro! The aesthetic is way better than the Safari, especially since with fountain pens you want it too look as fancy as you feel while using them. Its also super easy to take apart from cleaning, so it's good with all kinds of inks, even glitter and sheen. It also writes really well, I've never had a problem because of the pen.
@jacobgiese2592
5 жыл бұрын
Twsbi eco blows all others out of the water for ink capacity...with the admitted exception of eyedroppers
@benjaminheaney6341
5 жыл бұрын
But it's not usually considered a beginner pen as it has a more unconventional design and it's slightly more expensive. But I agree, the Eco is the far superior pen.
@cjayconrod
5 жыл бұрын
Although my first serious fountain pen purchase was a Metropolitan, I have to say I love everything about the Lamy Safari: the faceted grip, the ink window, its continued, consistent performance, etc.
@GGMoonish
5 жыл бұрын
While I love BOTH pens, I really fell back in love with writing when I got my first LAMY pen. I absolutely adore the grip and how light weight it is which in my opinion helps me to write just a little longer as my hand doesn't get tired as fast (if that makes sense). I use my LAMY on a daily basis whether it is for a list or to write a letter or even to doodle to take my mind off of something that might be bothering me and it really helps me to just relax and take time to get a handle on whatever is going on. So for this battle I'm totally siding with LAMY!
@FrancisRamosII
5 жыл бұрын
Lamy Safari all the way! I've owned a Metropolitan in the past and what bothered me the most was the grip. As someone with bigger hands and finds a longer reach more comfortable, I'll always recommend the Safari.
@Valmon14
5 жыл бұрын
Definitely worth it to have both :) but the metropolitan is definitely the safer choice to go for for first time users. Especially if you think your grip isn't a good match for the Lamy grip.
@Valkaneer
4 жыл бұрын
I originally bought a Pilot Metropolitan, but I wish I had bought the Lamy first. So far I really have liked my Pilot, but the catch is I only have one Nib size and I'm kind of stuck once I figured out I wanted something with a bit more flair. So now I have ordered my Lamy bold, a 1.1 stub nib, and converter. That way I can try out multiple Nibs without having to buy 4 or 5 pens. You are not going to be able to get 1.9 stub for a Pilot if you want to try some fancy writing. I would suggest a Lamy or a Twisbi if you want to try multiple kinds and styles of Nibs. I still want to get a Twisbi Ahab flex for Spencerian penmanship, I don't know if you can do it with just a normal stub nib.
@RiSo1988
5 жыл бұрын
Before i completely demolish Pilot MR, i have to say that it was the first ever fountain pen and GOD how much i hated my decision. You will too if you ignore this comment: 1) The pen comes with an unbearable squeeze converter which will make your life a living hell. It holds miniscule amount of ink, it always sucks in more air than ink, it doesn’t show ink level, its Unreliable, it’s just impossible for a beginner to deal with this monster of a converter. 2) Unpopular opinion, but that round slipper and such a tiny grip section of this pen, will make sure you can never hold it comfortably for long. If you’re like me who needs a taller grip, this pen has almost no room for you. If you hold it near its cap threads, they definitely start to hurt your fingers after a few mins.. If your palms get sweaty, dont even think of holding this pen... argh this pen is so useless. 3) The nib is so fine that it has torn pages when i start to write any faster than a snail. Its dry, squeaky and has absolutely no character. Writing with a pencil will feel more satisfying than writing with this pen. 4) Misc: Its heavy to clip on your shirt, its a pain to clean, idk if it will rust but i dont give a damn tbh. It was only after a i bought Lamy Safari that i could over this horrible pen. I hope you’ll not repeat my mistake.
@fedya4445
5 жыл бұрын
As an introductory fountain pen, especially for a young student who is learning to write, I recommend the Lamy Safari. If you can find a matching .07 mm mechanical pencil with HB or B lead, you have the perfect pairing for a learner. (The pencil also comes in 0.5 mm). The two make a great birthday, 1st day of school, etc. present. I wish Goulet Pens would sell them as a gift set!
@NGMonocrom
5 жыл бұрын
I own both. Best starter pen? The Metropolitan. Two reasons. One, you can often find it for practically half the cost of the LAMY Safari. That's rather significant for someone just getting into fountain pens and isn't still quite sure if it's for them. Also, as a gift, you can give one to a young person. And, include a nice bottle of ink to go with it. Depending on the bottle, you're spending as much as you would on the Safari by itself. 2nd reason is more significant. As much as I like my three LAMY Safari pens, let's be honest.... They're going to look horribly out of place in a Board meeting or Conference meeting at most business centers. Especially if the pen is going to be used by a young executive or an older executive's assistant. The Metropolitan will fit in. It's a more traditional looking fountain pen design. Especially if you go with the basic black version with a shiny black barrel-band. Both pens come with 3rd rate converters. I'm sorry, but they do. Based on experience, I'd say that the Safari's is easier to keep clean. The Metropolitan's is easier to use.
@hrnekbezucha
5 жыл бұрын
If you get the Kaküno for nib, your Metropolitan will wink and smile at you every time you use it.
@bandcrazygurl
5 жыл бұрын
Hrnek Bezucha i love the smiley kaküno nibs!
@leanneland
5 жыл бұрын
I just got the metropolitan for Christmas as my first pen and I love it! I do also see a lot of artists using the safari in sketchbooks too which I’m also interested to try out. But Pilot makes a great pen!
@JSheetzArtwork
5 жыл бұрын
Everything will be okay Here to help is Goulet So Lamy grab a pen My true best friend
@MrStephenfull
5 жыл бұрын
Why not the Kakuno? Cheaper than the Metro and can take a Con-70...
@Gouletpens
5 жыл бұрын
Love the Kakuno and would side with that one as well. These 2 are just by far the more popular option and get pitted against each other all the time. - Colin
@MrStephenfull
5 жыл бұрын
@@Gouletpens gotta start pushing that cheeky wink!
@bandcrazygurl
5 жыл бұрын
i love kaküno! lightweight and cheery nib. the grip section for finger placement is also not as obtrusive as safari.
@dpapad202
2 жыл бұрын
I have both but my Metropolitan is my everyday workhorse. I just love the narrower nib and the ink flow. I always have feathering with the lamy even with the F on Rhodia paper. I now use the Lamy as my secondary for highlighting with other colours etc
@AndyP126
5 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention the price. The Metropolitan is $12.00 cheaper. Easier pill to swallow for first time pen users. Who here would be all over an Pilot Metropolitan annual color like Lamy does?
@dlevi67
5 жыл бұрын
Not everywhere. In Europe the Lamy is cheaper (even including a converter).
@preke953
5 жыл бұрын
dlevi67 in Europe only. And selected ones on that too. Here in india pilot is 15 dollars and a lamy is 30 or more
@dlevi67
5 жыл бұрын
@@preke953 The only Lamy that cost extra are the "special edition" ones, i.e. one a year - all others are the same price.
@loon7181
5 жыл бұрын
@@dlevi67 but still, in most countries Lamy is more expensive, in mexico too, you can buy a pilot for $13, a lamy would cost you like $28, you can buy a pilot for like half the price of a lamy
@dlevi67
5 жыл бұрын
@@loon7181 "But still" - the whole point is that it's not necessarily the case. If it's the case for you, bully for the Pilot.
@baebaebaebae6340
2 жыл бұрын
I really want to buy a safari just because of the colors lol. But the writing experience I prefer is with asian pens. Very thin lines and little feedback. I don’t like soft writing pens because so my vote is on the Metropolitan. I want to collect all designs but can only afford one.
@kiavonne
5 жыл бұрын
I've never had a problem with my Pilot Metropolitans with leaking or with starting or skipping. I get the medium nibs and they work well for me for a more traditional and "serious" pen (but the color combinations can be a lot of fun, too). The pen feels solid and balanced in my hand, whereas the Lamy did not feel very good in my hand, and I didn't like the shape and feel of the material. I haven't had any issues with the Metropolitan caps, whereas with the Lamy Safari, I found the caps would constantly work their way off the pen barrels just with regular body movement throughout the day. Yuck, to ink stains or lost pen barrels. As for ink capacity, I refill Pilot cartridges, and the cartridges hold a pretty decent amount of ink - much more than converters. I penabled more than one person with the Metropolitan.
@AnzanHoshinRoshi
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Brian, Adrienne, and Colin.
@blaumax918
3 жыл бұрын
I have both. The Metropolitan is better of the two!
@wittwittwer1043
5 жыл бұрын
I've owned & used both pens. They both write well, but I prefer the Safari. The grip section doesn't interfere with my writing and I have all the extra nibs except for XF. I don't care for the barrel designs on the Metropolitan. I have a number of Safaris, but my favored ones are the petrol and the red AL Safaris. I gave the Metropolitan to a new user.
@Hexelixe
5 жыл бұрын
I'm totally, totally a Lamy girl, THOUGH I must admit I also like my TWSBI Eco and my Jinhao 159. I have used many types of fountain pens, and in the end I have found that Lamy is the one that does it for me. I'm a letter-writer and a student, so oftentimes I can be found writing over four to six hours non-stop. In these cases, Lamy has proven to be a much more comfortable pen than others, regarding how long the ink lasts (in cartridge or converter), its lightweight, comfortable size and the comfortable grip too. Now, if I may ask, could be have a TWSBI vs some other demonstrator, piston filler pen (like the Wings 698)?
@Maxiusmilianio
5 жыл бұрын
To the point of Lamy having easily swappable nibs...each nib costs about the same as a whole Metropolitan pen. IMO Pilot writes just like a finer Lamy with more weight. Metropolitan feels more premium while costing less.
@chiaraluoni7635
3 жыл бұрын
Well, a European here 🙋🏻♀️ and team Lamy from when I was 13. Lamys cost the same as metros here but are a whole lot easier to find. On Safaris you never see scratches. Plus, metros don’t come with a converter here. Sooo no point in getting a metro really. In fact, I don’t even own one, I just went from Lamy Safari to TWSBI GO, then tried the GO, and also have several pens from less known Italian brands. Still nothing like a Safari though.
@TheMilkrace3
5 жыл бұрын
well I like metropolitan very much but the grip is so thin that is extremely difficult for me to write , they should do an xl version
@KIXEMITNOG
5 жыл бұрын
I use Lamy Pen at School and it is not a mess for me.
@LLuna768
5 жыл бұрын
You should have added the Platinum Preppy. Their fine nibs, wins hands down over the Lamy extra fine and Pilot Metropolitan fine. If I had to rate the 3 pens, the Preppy would be 1st place, Lamy would come in close behind, and the Metropolitan would be in last place.
@Gouletpens
5 жыл бұрын
Preppy is definitely a good budget option. Not sure you can get a finer line for cheaper than the EF Preppy. Platinum in general really rocks the EF nibs! - Colin
@itzjennyferr
5 жыл бұрын
Team Lamy ! Just bought my 4th :D Also, I gave my F & M Metropolitans to my bf because I didn’t care for it. Kept one in ‘CM’ for myself for a cheap stub nib.
@tomvanzanten479
5 жыл бұрын
Btw, in the Netherlands and Germany, the pilot metropolitan does NOT come with a converter. I don't know if that is the case for the whole of Europe. Thus, my vote goes to the LAMY, because you can not buy a pilot metropolitan converter 🧐
@Kelocyde
5 жыл бұрын
On Amazon (for the states) the Pilot comes with a convertor. Must be a Germany & Netherlands thing.
@matpingar3617
3 жыл бұрын
One important aspect about broader german nibs and cheap paper is the ubiquity of fountain pens in Germany. The typical affordable paper aimed at students is fountain pen friendly. In my school, we even uyed recycled paper which was coated to prevent feathering. And this translates to the workplace. The cheap notepads I get at work can handle most of my pens except for the wettest and broadest.
@leonbrooke5587
5 жыл бұрын
I have both and really like both. I like the triangular grip on the Lamy and how refined the Pilot feels and how nimble and easy to use
@BucellariiHV
4 жыл бұрын
I have both, I prefer the Lamy Safari for extended periods of writing, the Metropolitan for the looks in meetings, both ironically, muy smootest writer is the Pilot Kakuno with blue IC-100 cartridges, I love writing with that.
@garylangford6755
3 жыл бұрын
Metropolital doesnt come with the converter anymore
@Antichrist.318
5 жыл бұрын
Tell you the truth Mr. Brian, I am more of a pilot guy. But this was still fun😀
@mdemst
5 жыл бұрын
The Lamy rules. Light, great traveler, easy on the hand, excellently put together.
@arghyadipghoshg18
Жыл бұрын
I have Pilot Metropolitan Lizard Edition Fountain pen with Fine nib....😊 I just loved it....❤ I don't think that the process of changing nibs is so much hard and a process of so long time of Pilot Metropolitan... (as a metro user) as we write with fountain pen in leisure and in a mood of relaxation.... 😅 However, I do respect of your views 🙏🏼 If you are a lover of Pilot Metropolitan, Do like and let me know your feedback in the comment section 🤗
@mraunglinaung
7 ай бұрын
Yeah My thing is with metro u don't know when u need to refill the ink with the converter.
@arghyadipghoshg18
7 ай бұрын
@@mraunglinaung yes I faced it too 🙂
@siphonsnob
5 жыл бұрын
My first two pens (well, since the 1970's when I used Parker). The Pilot Metropolitan Retro Orange was great for the first two months, but is now hard starting and skips a lot, but maybe I need to learn more about pen maintenance. The Lamy Safari All-Black works great so far, but I forgot to order a converter with it.
@marlenebrockmann1553
5 жыл бұрын
I have both pens. I like to draw with my pens and really like the fine nib of the Metropolitan. However after it leaked a couple of times on my drawing, I am reluctant to use it. I’m unhappy with the converter. I find the Lamy is a more reliable pen for my use.
@godfreycarmichael
3 жыл бұрын
I love everything about the Metropolitan. Classic shape. Vibrant colors. Great lines. Very easy to use converter. Love it.
@namegoeshere833
5 жыл бұрын
I like both but choose Lamy first, then TWSBI eco
@Damonnanashi
5 жыл бұрын
I want to save up to get a TWSBI. How do you like yours? I've only heard good things so far.
@namegoeshere833
5 жыл бұрын
@@Damonnanashi I'm loving them. So far I have the TWSBI Eco in Fine and the TWSBI Go in 1.1 stub and they are both great pens.
@Alvenrik1
5 жыл бұрын
It really depends a lot on where are you from. For example, where I live, the Metro is actually more expensive (23 euros) than the Safary (18-20 euros), only the M nib Metro is available and none of them come with the converter. Even though I'm a lefty and I prefeer finer nib options, I would rather use the Safari (I have a few and one metropolitan) because of the wide variety of nib options. Maybe Lamy F and EF are not very impressive, but the rest of them are amazing (The Safari is my go to calligraphy pen, and the grip helps me to keep track of the writing angles)
@katherineh9814
5 жыл бұрын
Why are the Lamy F and EF not impressive? I was thinking of getting these so interested in your opinion.
@efecanl1492
4 жыл бұрын
Plus the LAMY converter is overpriced.
@bec11mort
5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely hilarious! Love the idea guys. I'd like to throw in the TSWBI Go in the mix, but if I had to choose it'd be the Lamy Safari for me. I like the feel of it in my hand better than the slippery metropolitan.
@LauraKnotek
4 жыл бұрын
I'm not new to fountain pens, but been using them for almost 40 years. However, the Lamy Safari is still one of my favourite pens, even though it's probably the least expensive pen I own. It just performs great and is comfortable to write with.
@alchemist.3
9 ай бұрын
My personal experience... The difference in design/engineering philosophy between German (or European) Vs Japanese is that Germans is based on how the customers 'should' use the product. Japanese is based on how the customer 'would' use the product. This applies to cars, pens and many more.
@nickmiller9677
5 жыл бұрын
Want a pen that leaks? The metropolitan is a real good one for that. Want a pen with a really bad posting problem? Metropolitan wins there. Want a hardstart often Skippy pen? The metropolitan wins at that. Only reason the metropolitan is actually good is because it doesn't work so you seek out more fountain pens to find one that works. Then wahlah you start becoming a collector without even realizing it.
@Gouletpens
5 жыл бұрын
See, I had pretty similar experiences.....with the Safari. At least in terms of writing performance. At the end of the day, everyone will have a different experience with their pens so there's no real winner. To each their own, ya know! - Colin
@preke953
5 жыл бұрын
Been have. Metro for a year now, not much leakage, no skipping and something trivial as posting does not effect me. Better big check, a converter check, half the price of Lamy check.
@nickmiller9677
5 жыл бұрын
@@preke953 Lamy Safari is 19$ on amazon and metro is 15$, uncheck half price box. Posting is a part of the pen and it should be designed to work whether you use it or not. Lamy Safari is a larger pen posted and unposted, Capped they are about equal (lamy is still larger by maybe 5mm). Metro converter is that crummy pumpbulb thing that draws up next to nothing. Expect to be filling it once every week/week and a half with typical office writing. But that's if you're lucky and it doesn't leak out. Me and my buddy have bought 3 metros. 1 him, 2 for me. All leaked. It's not anything against you, it's just I have been burned and so many others by that pen I really do not want them buying it at all. Not much leakage is like saying "not much herpes". -Nick
@noopnoop3080
5 жыл бұрын
@@nickmiller9677 I'll have to second No More KZitem Money Symbol Generater here, I've been using a metropolitan for about 6 months, I've never had any problems with leakage or skipping, and I frequently use posting since I much prefer the increased weight, and I haven't ever had any problem with posting. Apologies that you've had such a bad time with the pen, but saying it doesn't work at all when others haven't had a single problem with one is a bit unfair.
@Damonnanashi
5 жыл бұрын
My metropolitan only leaks a tiny bit because I'm using a lubricated ink. Other than that I have no problems with it. Been using it all day every day for several months now.
@00Revell
5 жыл бұрын
I have one of each, and I use them for different roles. The Lamy I keep on my pocket when travelling light, the Metro I keep in my bag when I can afford to bring it with me to a place.
@kawshikdas7852
3 күн бұрын
I have used both of them. Believe me metropolitan is better in writing experience.
@carterisphat5561
4 жыл бұрын
I think that I will just buy both........
@Pipertwintubo
5 жыл бұрын
I'm in camp Lamy, I have both but the argument for the free converter with pilot fell flat on me as mine would constantly leak, had to switch to cartridges.(I understand this is something that probably only affected me, but it has changed my view on it) plus if you want a more premium feel with Lamy you can get the ALstar, same great pen but with a metal casing. however, I cannot argue that the price of the Pilot makes it a much more interesting pen for first-time writers.
@herrkeks8509
5 жыл бұрын
Pipertwintubo I would also be Team Lamy if would be able to hold this damn pen.
@vwood2
5 жыл бұрын
Herr Keks yes, it would be great if they offered two grips, like TWSBI Eco and the Eco-t
@herrkeks8509
5 жыл бұрын
Vicki Wood Definitely!!! It needs to be at least 9 mm thick. 9,5 mm would be better. I don’t have anything against in general. I really like the grip of the Faber-Castell Grip 2011. But the ones on the Lamy are just to extreme. Slight ones are okay... :)
@LLuna768
5 жыл бұрын
Pipertwintubo I agree with you. I hate the Con-40 (used with the Pilot Metropolitan). I have no use for the squeezable converter, because you can’t see how much ink you’ve got left. I prefer reusing the cartridge. The problem that I have with Con-40 is that ink leaks into the cap and the ink seems to evaporate or dry up. It seems like the ink never lasts long even when not in constant use. It sees a little better by reusing the cartridge. The Lamy has a great converter and cartridge. It holds more ink. It doesn’t leak into the cap and I’ve left mine inked up for about 3 months without drying up. I love Lamy’s extra fine nib. I have 1 white Safari, 1Vista, 3 Al-Star & 1 Rose Gold. I only have 3 Pilot Metropolitan. I’m still using all 5 Lamys on a regular basis and only one Pilot Metropolitan with the 1.0 stub, because I prefer it to the 1.1 offered by other brands.
@OliviaRubin9
5 жыл бұрын
I had the exact same issue with the squeeze converter, to the point that I stopped using my metro altogether. I started fountain pens with a metro but I just couldn't get past how much it leaked ://
@dabluepickle1
5 жыл бұрын
#TeamLamySafari forever! I own two Safaris (both LE colours) that I adore. They write like a dream, they’re easy to clean out, they’re comfortable to hold, and they’re just overall pleasing pens. I owned a Metropolitan for a while and every time I used it I was underwhelmed. I ended up selling it because I just did not enjoy using it after a while. I think the colours/patters they have to offer are tacky, I hated the squeeze converter and not being able to see the ink inside it, and I found that the grip was too small and slippery for my hands (and I’m an 18yr old girl lol). It would also leak all the time which was so annoying!! I can see why it would be preferred for someone who likes a really thin nib but other than that the Safari will always hold a special place in my heart :)
@efecanl1492
4 жыл бұрын
It's really sad that Brian didn't read the final part of the Safari review.
@herrkeks8509
5 жыл бұрын
I would NEVER get this red Lamy converter. I always get the black one :) I just looks better :)
@herrkeks8509
5 жыл бұрын
To the guy that commented here... Sadly the comment is gone... Right... The black one has no thingies on the side. And it was designed for their higher-end line. And the red one sometimes diesel fit in the higher-end line because of the thingies. But it doesn’t matter if you use the black one in a Vista or so.
@gertahnstrom784
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah! I use the z-26 in my Vista just for the looks!^^ It matches the inner cap well. But on the other hand, the red adds a cool contrast, making it be the same effect like red brake calipers on a car. Very much in line with the overall industrial design.
@herrkeks8509
5 жыл бұрын
Gert Ahnström Preference is a really important factor...! If you maybe put a red Ink in it it can get pretty funny :) I personally can’t stand the red :D
@gertahnstrom784
5 жыл бұрын
@@herrkeks8509 Indeed, preference really is key. I like that both converters are available. Luckily, the fountain pen world has so much to offer, so every preference should have something to make some toes curl. :)
@herrkeks8509
5 жыл бұрын
Gert Ahnström Very well said!
@serious_in_seattle6917
2 жыл бұрын
Safari and Al-Star are both great pens 🖊. I’m just disappointed that the Lamy extra fine nib writes a pretty wide line. I want a true extra fine line with an extra fine nib like what I get with Pilot nibs.
@Starguard5
5 жыл бұрын
The Safari is ok, but I like the AL's better (better made) but I really like my Metro's yes the con 40 is a pain, I wish they would drop it and go back to the con 50's I find myself picking up the Metro when given a choice, I keep a turquoise one clipped to my Hobo Techo for quick access. I like the fine line on the Metro.
@bovnycccoperalover3579
3 жыл бұрын
I have a few pilots including a Maki-e Crane and Turtle and I love them; however, I would certainly be interested in buying A LAMY since I don't own one.
@JohnArnoldPhotography
5 жыл бұрын
While I do not have the Lamy Safari, I do have the Lamy Studio, which I understand uses the same nib as the Safari. I also own the Metropolitan. I do a lot of note taking in my job, thus I use inexpensive paper (Prism by Tops). The Lamy always starts great, and always very smooth. I use the stub nib, and also the medium - love it. Effortless. On the Metro, I have been very disappointed. Maybe that is because I had chosen the nib - italic cursive/stub nib for the Metro (ordered 2). It is very dry (I have tried different inks), sometimes hard to start, and on my paper, just feels very scratchy across the paper. Not my go to, so for me the Lamy wins hands down. Maybe I would have more luck with a different Metro nib? I like the stubs to give the writing a bit more flair.
@DragonsinGenesisPodcast
2 жыл бұрын
The grip on the metro is horrible and that “great” squeeze converter is absolute trash. Wears out in a couple months and starts leaking.
@MacTechG4
5 жыл бұрын
The correct answer is to own *both* If you don’t like the plastic.....err “resin” construction of the Safari, Lamy also makes the AL-Star, same pen, same section/feed/nib, uses the same converter, but the body and cap are made from Aluminum
@dannydontgoin237
5 жыл бұрын
Have them both, like them both for different reasons. I think I prefer the Safari for long writing sessions, like writing stories or journaling. I have en extra fine nib on it so it's good on less expensive paper (which is advantageous for creative writing). The Metropolitan is a great pocket pen for quickly carrying around with me and writing down notes and making lists. The medium nib on it is good for a wide range of paper quality so it's very versatile. Plus, it's a pen that I don't stress about letting someone else use. Writing lots of essays in long hand? Go with the Safari. Taking lots of notes that you intend to type up later? Go with the Metro.
@johnsmith2896
4 ай бұрын
All Pilot Pens are manufactured in China and branded as Made in Japan, cheap ugly pens. Same case with Twsbi. Twsbi is also Chinese. Its affordable in the UK. My Indian Friend was arguing why to pay 5000 INR for Cheap Chinese Fountain Pen ? He opinion is valid, as after all Chinese Fountain Pen quality sold in India is not up to the mark and trash quality is dumped in India.
@anhhuynhkimnguyen6793
5 жыл бұрын
I personally choose the Metropolitan, they’re both great pens but I do prefer the classic look of the metropolitan over the more stylized look of the safari and the squeeze converter is easy to use and works well, albeit with some leaks here and there. I also love the way the nib glides on the paper, and the weight as well, I do prefer lightweight pens for long note taking sessions but I find that a ballpoint pen would simply be better at school notes since it’s practically impossible to not smear ink. Because my country let us use fountain pens early on, I’ve grown quite fond of the simple and classy look of more typical fountain pens, like on the Metropolitan and the nib is also more familiar to me as well so you could say I’m a little opinionated.
@MartaZobeniak
5 жыл бұрын
Team Lamy, although I prefer the Al-Star.
@joklazen
5 жыл бұрын
metropolitan doesn't come with a converter where I live, so I have to buy a converter for both. although the metropolitan that I bought here in the Netherlands takes standard international, so that makes a plus for the metropolitan. The thing is I like a western style medium, so my choice will be the safari
@preranachatterjee2195
5 жыл бұрын
Lamy being lightweight and really wet is a very good sketcher... Pilot Metropolitan being heavier produces a good momentum and grip for writing. Both are great but Lamy is much more comfortable when used for drawings and sketching.
@johnsmith2896
4 ай бұрын
The only problem with the Lamy Safari is that Nib Creep occasionally happens, rest pen is fine. However Pilot Metropolitan is a ugly cheap as its body can be deformed if one accidently drops it. Also Pilot Metropolitan spews out Ink on paper when we shake it after dry out, which is not the case in Lamy Safari. It suffers nib creep only. Finally, Lamy safari is average pen and Pilot Metropolitan is below average pen. If you offer me to choose between the two, I may buy Lamy Safari, but Pilot Metropolitan yikes, never.
@dragonswordstriker
5 жыл бұрын
I've owned many of the starter pens (Eco/Kaweco Sport/Pilot Metro/Safari) and the Safari is definitely my favourite of them all- out of the box, all the nibs work perfectly, decent ink capacity, and no complaints from my giftees. I've sadly never owned a starter Pilot with a good nib. The lower end Pilot gold nibs however are amazing.
@j.c.ingledue6553
5 жыл бұрын
Love both pens. I love the grip on the Safari, but I prefer the material and feel to the Metropolitan. I am glad I picked up the lamy converter. The Metropolitan's squeeze converter is kinda laughable compared to the lamy. That .2ml does make a surprisingly notable difference. I actually picked up a eyedropper because the cartridge held a lot more.
@michellewerries7433
5 жыл бұрын
I really love Lamy pens. Have for years. Didn't know about the Metropolitan. I'll have to check it out.
@LazyStory
3 жыл бұрын
It is not true, that the Lamy Safari/Al-star are pens for school kids in Germany. In Germany they often use ergonomic fountain pens and multi coloured pens for learning pens. Lamy has some of those (Lamy abc) but also Pelikan (Twist), Online, Herlitzh (my.pen) and BiC (EasyClic). Those pens cost € 6-10 in the supermarket...... the Lamy Safari is 18-20 and very popular workhorse pen for adults.
@megaton10
4 жыл бұрын
PILOT METEOPOLITAN HAS A METAL BODY ! case closed. pilot wins ! goodnight sleeptight !
@MsBluetrinity
5 жыл бұрын
Where I am in the world, metros are around the $30 mark whereas safaris are more like $55. Therefore the Lamy is not a first pen necessarily.
@MazharulHaqMike
5 жыл бұрын
i have both the pens. both of them are marvelous.
@rtex2020
Жыл бұрын
I have both; my Pilot Metropolitan was one of my first pens; I purchased a LAMY All-Star from the Goulet Pen reviews. My All-Star is newer, and doesn't (yet) have the smoothness that the Pilot has. I assume that the Safari will adjust to me in a bit.
@paulll47
5 ай бұрын
I like both of them but I have to go with the Lamy, it's just cheaper and, if you fill like forking out a few extra bucks, you can get an al star that is even sturdier and functionally equal to the pilot, really I would go with which one Amazon or any other seller has on a discount and buy that one.
@davidmathews2124
3 жыл бұрын
Obviously not a head to head battle…more a big sales pitch for both. No problem with that. It’s what any reasonable person should expect. Lamy Lovers will talk up features that Pilot Purists count as problems…and vice versa. Both pens are excellent and represent the design heritage from which they come. Just their names depict the user environment the maker intends them for…Safari vs. Metropolitan. That’s pretty transparent…and accurate. Me? I like the Metro, have a bunch and use them often. But I’m passionate about the Safari/Al Sport design. From X fine through 3 levels of stub nibs. Big cartridges that you can easily refill with a syringe. Exciting Special Editions frequently with matching ink. Big ink level window. Grip cutouts that fit me very well and help align the pen nib for accurate nib alignment. Quirky Bauhaus design character. Essentially bulletproof build. Whatever…that’s just me. Anyway, thanks Brian. Keep ‘em coming. Great guests too.
@samgab
5 ай бұрын
I have both, but if I had to choose just one to own, I'd go with the Safari because I find it more comfortable to write with. The jutting out ridge on the Pilot Metro, where the section meets the barrel, becomes painful when I write a lot, with my particular grip.
@LandoOca
4 жыл бұрын
Not yet own a metropolitan, but definitely safari EF is only works well with english, it write smooth and ink flows great. Sometimes too much though XD. Too thick and heavy flow for Chinese & Japanese. (I wrote sometimes CH JP EN mixed) At the time I purchased safari I didn't know that metropolitan is just the outfit upgrade of 78g, else I will definitely purchase one and try. (Just don't like the outfit label of 78g....the round tag just made me wonder why it appears) . One last thing, miss the purple limited version of safari made me so regret!!! Just like that colour!!! The patrol is not bad, just that dark lilac color is why I had interest again with foundation pen after a sad heart breaking drop with my favourite gold nib pen on the ground ten more years ago at school. (The nib was broken and I cannot find that pen and check whether can fix or not)
@dimhelmet
5 жыл бұрын
Well, I have no Safaris (but do have an AL-Star and some LXs) but I have 16 Metropolitans (one of each style)!
@mereiriz
3 жыл бұрын
I’m trying to start buying fountain pens and it’s been overwhelming so far. So many options!
@Ryot_
Жыл бұрын
I got both. Personally I prefer the Metropolitan and the Pilot Nibs. The quality control on the Lamy Nibs is terrible. They are super scratchy in my experience.
@Steaknstuff
Жыл бұрын
I prefer the Pilot Metropolitan with a calligraphy medium nib. I have only ever had a Lamy Safari knockoff that broke, but it still gave me a basic idea of what they are like. But they are still nice pens and I’m sure they’re much more durable than a 5 dollar pen. I actually plan on getting a charcoal color, textured medium Lamy Safari. I would get it with a broad nib though if it came pre-installed. My biggest concern is that I may accidentally get a fake from China. I think I can figure it out though.
@allenlark
3 жыл бұрын
"if you wanna buy another pen that's FINE" if it's cheaper than a lamy nib....why is gouletpencompany acting like buying another pen is a negative?
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