As always, thanks for the great videos. I’m a Pentecostal pastor. Grew up in Spirit filled churches my entire life. That being said, like EVERY movement/denomination there is the crazies that gives the rest a bad name. I do pray in tongues, we do believe in divine healings (have seen it often). BUT a Jesus loving, word preaching church that isn’t Pentecostal is just as saved as me. They are my brothers and sisters in the Lord. I’d rather my congregation bear the FRUITS of the Spirit more than the GIFTS of the Spirit. Because they can pray in tongues all they want but if they don’t love their brother, they are missing it.
@jackdaw6359
2 жыл бұрын
Grateful for my early years as a Pentecostal. For one reason especially. The evil of eternal security was taught. Repentance was important. For that they will always have my respect.
@tedpfenninger4972
2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate your loving and ecumenical spirit. Comments, like yours, renew my faith in the success of the Christian community!
@mynameis......23
2 жыл бұрын
Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _________________________ CHRIST alone John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus _________________________ Work of God = John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles _________________________ There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. ____________________________________ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary. _________________________ Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics. _________________________ Also, if the apostles didn't wrote it, I don't want it.
@jackdaw6359
2 жыл бұрын
@@mynameis......23 You realize we have a coherent and logical answer for every single verse you put here?
@alhilford2345
2 жыл бұрын
@@mynameis......23 : Catholics have been hearing these same, tired old arguments for years, time after time. Yes, there is a clear explanation for each one. Do you really want to know it?
@BrotherhoodWorkshop
Жыл бұрын
the complete dispassion with which you break these things down is highly admirable. It's very tempting to interject ones own opinion, and I have literally no idea what you think or feel about the facts you are presenting. Bravo.
@keithwilson6060
4 ай бұрын
Joshua has identified himself more than once as a Fundamental Baptist Temple Christian. Yes, admirable that he just reports the facts, knowing where he stands.
@JamesMC04
4 ай бұрын
Josh does a superb job of being unbiassed. I have watched a lot of his videos, & I still have no clue what his own Church affiliation is.
@AF-tv6uf
2 жыл бұрын
Never apologize for "getting all theological" here.
@benjaminwatt2436
4 ай бұрын
agreed, it kind of bugs me, when Christian channels apologize for using Christian vernacular. It should be the expectation. It would be wierd if a finance channel apologized for using words like "dividends" and such
@cybercrash7
2 жыл бұрын
I grew up in a non-denominational, hyper-charismatic environment where outbreaks of tongues and faith healings were extremely common and church was more about "feeling" the Holy Spirit than being edified by it. I stopped identifying with that kind of belief system years ago, but I erroneously let myself believe that Pentecostals in general were like that. Thankfully, I've since learned that even most charismatics, let alone Pentecostals, would not really find what I experienced to be appropriate and have begun looking at them more charitably again (though I doubt I'll ever become either). I've still often been confused about what exactly was different between the two camps, and this video helped out a great deal. Thanks again for another informative video trying to map out our complex family tree.
@tedpfenninger4972
2 жыл бұрын
I grew up in an evangelical church and have moved though several denominations in my faith journey. Whatever your theology or denomination I hope you have retained your basic Christian faith. Thanks for your comment.
@jeanenviedapprendre
Жыл бұрын
You may be comfortable in denominations like The Church of the Nazarene or The Wesleyan Church. These do not practice tongues, avoid the emotionalism you're talking about, yet mirror all other points of teaching that Pentecostals embrace. This is why my wife and I started going to a Nazarene church a few years ago.
@cybercrash7
Жыл бұрын
@@jeanenviedapprendre It’s funny that you mentioned specifically those two because I’m actually now a Methodist.
@jeanenviedapprendre
Жыл бұрын
@@cybercrash7 Glad you found a good place to worship brother! Be what your church needs, even if things seem to go south someday.
@davidortega357
Жыл бұрын
Benny hinn, clefo dollar, jimmy swaggart, Kenneth Copeland , Joel Osteen, Joseph prince, border line TD Jakes , T L Osborne, Mario Murillo, oral Roberts, Carlton Pearson, AA Allen, Robert tillton, Rob parsley, RW shamburk David Wilkerson , Nicky Cruz, and others charismatics
@rogermetzger7335
2 жыл бұрын
When I saw the title of this video, I realized I didn't have the faintest idea of how people who call themselves pentecostal or charismatic define those terms. So I asked my wife. She was able to give me some suggestions based on her perceptions but she admitted that she, too, didn't know how anyone else might make that distinction. Bottom line: Thanks for helping us to better understand people who call themselves pentecostal or charismatic.
@buckshot6481
Жыл бұрын
Pentecostal aren't as prone to "get rich quick by sending me money" as Charismanaic churches are.
@aChild-of-God1006
4 ай бұрын
Pentecostals believe in Jesus Name baptism Acts 2:38 and Charismatics follow the false trinitarian doctrine that the catholic church and pagans made up in the 2nd century when they started baptizing people in titles father son holy spirit instead of in the Name of Jesus Oneness Pentecostals follow the Apostles Doctrine charismatics don't Oneness Pentecostals believe in the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues I'm not sure about the charismatics Oneness Pentecostals believe in the 5 fold ministry and the gifts of the Spirit and I'm not sure about charismatics Oneness Pentecostals believe in living holy and righteous different from the world by the way we walk, talk, act, live and even dress and the charismatic churches don't they live worldly and blend in right in with the world Oneness Pentecostals because we have the Holy Spirit living inside of us aka God Himself lives inside of us we stand like a light in this world we shine like a Light on Top of a hill
@rogermetzger7335
4 ай бұрын
@@aChild-of-God1006 Your explantation is probably helpful as it stands. It will be even more helpful if somone you consider to be "Charismatic" explains this from that point of view. Many people think of the protestant reformation as having occured in the sixteenth century. I think of the reformation as having begun before that, made rapid progess in the sixteenth century and continued in the seventeenth, eighteeth and nineteenth centuries. I think we should be searching our Bibles for additional reforms to adopt but I don't pretend to know what those reforms should be. I have trouble identifying with any person or group who think of themselves as having already arrived at the pinicle of spiritual progress.
@iammsmorales
4 ай бұрын
@@aChild-of-God1006 Jesus Himself requests for baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit in Matthew 28 19, He's gotta trump anything in acts becaue He had already ascended at that point
@User_Happy35
3 ай бұрын
@@aChild-of-God1006 Every Pentecostal baptism I've attended baptized in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Spirit.
@cajunguy3036
8 ай бұрын
"I may not believe once saved always saved, but I also do not believe once saved easily lost." - Jack Hayford
@elmerfudd1883
4 ай бұрын
Can you be 'unborn'? Peter 1:5 We are kept by the power of God. There is no greater power!
@TVHouseHistorian
4 ай бұрын
*LOVE* Jack Hayford. 👍
@YeshuaKingMessiah
4 ай бұрын
@@elmerfudd1883yes becuz ur not born Ur saved It’s LIKE a birth It’s def not a birth, it’s a metaphor One of the meanings Strong’s gives is delivered of. For demon deliverance they can def come back. Worse than the first time the Bible says!
@elmerfudd1883
4 ай бұрын
@@YeshuaKingMessiah John 3:3 Jesus answered Nicodemus: Surely I say to you, "Except a man be BORN AGAIN, he CANNOT see the kingdom of God. NO EXCEPTIONS!
@brianlittizzio8253
4 ай бұрын
“If you could lose you salvation, you would” - a wise man and humble man
@donalddodson7365
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Professor Joshua. I grew up in a fairly "mainline" so-called Protestant church of the Alexander Campbell tradition (Restoration). I recall that evidence of the indwelling Holy Spirit was marked by attitudes and behaviors, rather than signs and wonders. In 1972 I attended a Bible college being swept by the Charismatic movement. It seemed odd to me that a dear brother in Christ felt it necessary to "teach" me how to "speak in tongues" if this was one of many fruits of the Gift of the Holy Spirit. You have helped clarify these branches of belief. Thank you. Blessings.
@ReadyToHarvest
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Donald, so glad that my videos have interested you. I apprecate it!
@loseepercussion1596
Жыл бұрын
I am now an employed director of music at a Charismatic Episcopal Church (thank you for your video on them!) but was raised in a Charismatic Lutheran (LCMS) Church. Apparently, there was a renewal movement within the LCMS called "Renewal in Missouri," which my former Pastor, Raymond Cummings, was one of the founders. I would love to hear about these Charismatic movements within established denominations, I know other denominations experienced similar movements. I'm a big fan of your channel and will continue to share it, thank you! - Chris
@Presbapterian
2 жыл бұрын
This is a great summary on these two denominations/movements 👏 I would like to suggest further discussion on the Charismatic movement in both Roman Catholicism (Catholic Charismatic Renewal) and Eastern Orthodoxy (e.g., Orthodox Spiritual Renewal, St. Symeon society, Fr. Eusebius Stephanou, Fr. Timothy Cremeens, Work of Christ/Theosis, etc.).
@cyriljorge986
2 жыл бұрын
In the Orthodox the numbers are less than 1000 (
@simplyafederalist
2 жыл бұрын
Another, huge difference is educational requirements. Charismatic churches were mostly founded by lay people with pastors who often left secular jobs. And loved and studied the bible but never had rigorous formal degrees in it. Pentecostal I don't think you would ever find pastors or ministers without formal bible degrees from accredited schools. Bible school degrees are much more common now but its still widely acceptable to be in mission and church pastoral staff without this formal biblical certification in many Charismatic organizations.
@Qwerty-jy9mj
2 жыл бұрын
Didn't biblical literalism begin because pentacostals didn't have enough preachers with formal education?
@ronharlan7323
2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. I am part of a Pentecostal denomination, but I do a lot of missions work with a few Southern Baptist organizations. Through many discussions, I’ve found that, at the end of the day, the main thing is to keep the main thing, the main thing; Christ’s birth, ministry, crucifixion, and return from the dead. The work He did on the Cross is sufficient.
@dman7668
2 жыл бұрын
Why did Paul write this then? "By my sufferings I fill up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, If all Jesus did was sufficient then why would Paul not write "Jesus sufferings were sufficient and I don't need to do any work".
@dman7668
Жыл бұрын
@@vicboothmusic Your justification is by works and not by faith alone.
@lanerussell7958
2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see someone rightly dividing the differences between Pentecostals and Charismatics. People tend to lump us together, and that's not even close to true.
@Sunrise_Streaming_Services
Жыл бұрын
I watched a few of your videos now but I just really enjoy the way that you unbiasedly give out the facts and information thank you brother
@ReadyToHarvest
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for letting me know, glad to have you as a viewer!
@Jer20.9
4 ай бұрын
@ReadyToHarvest please do a video on Witness Lee's Local Church
@kenkeil9067
3 ай бұрын
I grew up Catholic.After my baptism in the Holy Spirit, all my religion turned into relationship.The spiritual gifts that I received have grown so that even I am ble to pray for the sick, the y were healed.I try now to show how much God loves us,way beyond our knowledge or imagination. God is now the very centre of my everyday living.
@samthemacman
2 жыл бұрын
I was raised in the classical Pentecostal church. I was licensed as a Pentecostal minister and ordained as well. I ended up in Wimber's Vineyard (Third Wave) and other hyper Charismatic churches. After several decades I was convicted to leave the Charismatic Movement. I ended up embracing a Reformed, Calvinist Bible Chapel, where I am now. A great video.
@anthonymarktolentino9252
Жыл бұрын
Church hopper
@tedpfenninger4972
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! I was completely unaware of the existence of the third wave. It great to see (and hear) these differences explained! The kind of non-judgmental Christian content that moves faith and understanding forward!
@kirkmcknight113
Жыл бұрын
My current views are of the Apostolic-Pentecostal/ Oneness church. But thank you young man on opening my eyes to the now accepted song styles and music presentation of even our churches today. If you are looking for Apostolic or UPCI churches, they ask if you prefer the new style music or the old traditional music. Now at 73 and came into this movement at age 29, when I moved back home to my home church and went to the first service. I almost had to go back outside and read the sign to check If I was in the right place. I spoke with the new young pastor, which is my sons age and there very few things we had in common. I was with the Pastor that broke ground and built the new sanctuary. Many nights after work many of the men down at the church helping however we could. There was a lot of staining of wood and paneling, the beams in the ceiling and on the light board. Lots of blood sweat and tears putting all this together only to have it removed and what was left was painted over white. Well this Supposedly Pentecostal church is far more charismatic for me. Stick a fork in me because I'm Done!!!!
@thetraditionalist
2 жыл бұрын
good analysis especially given that i was at a pentecostal church this morning
@Tax_Buster
Жыл бұрын
This is a very accurate overview. I got saved in and have been a member of an Every Nation (Victory Christian Fellowship) church and attended two Pentecostal (COG and AG) seminaries. I am now a Southern Baptist pastor.
@WilliamCarterII
2 жыл бұрын
I grew up COGIC (now Oriental Orthodox) and I remember seeing many women in ministry. My mom is a COGIC minister.
Thanks so much for this brother, I’ve been looking for awhile for something like this to highlight the differences, blessings and thank you 😃
@ReadyToHarvest
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for letting me know, glad you liked it!
@lrlasvegas6427
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent topic! Thanks for breaking this one down!
@fivebooks8498
3 ай бұрын
This is pretty accurate. I was raised Baptist but at 18 years old began going to an Apostolic/Pentecostal church. Now at 49 years old I’ve seen just about everything that’s out there and debated doctrine with all these people. I’d say this video is very accurate.
@taproot6225
3 ай бұрын
most educational and an honest presentation. Many blessings to you & yours my friend. thank you very much.
@kevinmcdonald6446
Жыл бұрын
Another well done, worthwhile video. Thank you.
@alftaylor6299
4 ай бұрын
Thank you. I'm a Pentecostal. Very glad that you are informing people of these facts, although there are a lot of things in some Pentecostal churches that are not good, I certainly do not want to be associated together with Charismatics. Most definitely not.
@geofftaylor1249
2 жыл бұрын
What about Bethel? I find three families. Mystical Christianity, biblical Pentecostalism, and traditional baptist formalism. As an ex-Pentecostal I think they’re more committed to Biblical applications of spiritual gifts with a cessation theology. The traditional Baptist culture is cessation its, and the Bethel am New Vineyard groups drift off into non-biblical mysticism. So, with mysticism on the left, non-cessationist Pentecostalism in the middle, and cessationists on the right, all three views are visible. The key element is attachment to Biblical principles in worship, which many charismatic groups overlook. Charismatic churches seem to follow cultural norms without regard to Biblical values. Thanks for a great assessment of Pentecostal and Charasmatic culture. I would still be practicing Pentecostalism if it were more character based. I think the culture depends on irrational spirituality rather than Christ based character. Blessings to all. Geoff
@geraldarcuri9307
Жыл бұрын
"The dreaded Hawaiian shirt." Hilarious. And, sad but true.
@spadinnerxylaphone2622
2 жыл бұрын
It was never said out loud, but I'm pretty sure my childhood church (a Congregational Methodist congregation) was lightly influenced by the charismatic movement. We didn't speak in tongues; but spiritual gifts were discussed at length, youth nights had hand-raising and crying during worship, there was a lot of anxiety about "am I REALLY saved", people spoke about God speaking to them as an individual, and of course emphasis on the End Times.
@chris2fur401
2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like good church to me! I raise my hands every service. I cry every service because how good God has been to me. I’m so blessed. And He IS coming back for His bride.
@robindass2524
2 жыл бұрын
What's wrong with hand raising and crying, kneeling? I do that all the time. How else do you express your adoration to the only Living God who is worthy of all praise, glory and honor. Psalm 63:4, Psalm 119:48, Psalm 141:2, Psalm 134:2, Lamentations 2:19, Lamentations 3:41...
@spadinnerxylaphone2622
2 жыл бұрын
@@robindass2524 I wasn't saying anything was wrong with it, just that it's part of charasmatic culture. But I express adoration to God by contemplating the words. The Lord didn't make me very physically emotive, there's more than one way to praise.
@littlefishbigmountain
Жыл бұрын
@@spadinnerxylaphone2622 I think it’s worth pointing out that the Lord GOD often commanded His people Israel to shout aloud and not hold back and to praise Him with zeal. I wonder how the Israelites in Bible times would’ve viewed this more dignified, contemplative worship. And please keep in mind, I myself have worshipped that way and still do, and go through seasons where I do it more or less. I’m not condemning your worship by any means. God forbid! But I think it’s worth keeping in mind that sometimes we need to remember the God we serve and to emote not out of emotion but out of reverence, if that makes sense. In the book of Revelation for example, even the 24 elders and the 4 living creatures are constantly throwing themselves on their faces and crying out with glorious doxologies, or when the Apostle Paul is writing about the Lord in his epistles he will suddenly cry out with doxologies as well. Were the 24 elders and the 4 living creatures in the direct presence of God and the Lamb? Well, yeah, but that’s still the same God we’re worshipping and who inhabits our praises. Was the Apostle Paul writing those things under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit? Well, yeah again, but the Holy Spirit lives in us just as much as He lived in him. Just something to maybe keep in mind. Or not, idk. Just some thoughts.
@spadinnerxylaphone2622
Жыл бұрын
@@littlefishbigmountain I just don't think forcing oneself to scream and hollar is necessary, if that's not how you're genuinely feeling. Being performative is borderline lying to me.
@calebneff5777
Жыл бұрын
As a reformed charismatic, love the representation here. Rare acknowledgement of our existence.
@saludanite
2 жыл бұрын
The original name for this group was "Christian." But then, that was nearly 2,000 years ago when Paul was instructing believers. Today, not so much...
@pecelirovucago7149
Жыл бұрын
The Spiritual Gifts, the Mystery of Jesus Christ, the Hidden Things of God. It is all in the Bible. I’m a Methodist! Paul was the chain of the Mystery of Jesus Christ, it took me more than 20 years to understand it. It happened last week, Bible and Faith. God the Father gives Faith. God the Son perfects Faith, the Objects of Faith and The Holy Spirit Distributes Faith. All in the Gospel. Thank you for sharing this video.
@blackoceancreativeuniverse
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, brother. That was informative and entertaining ("dreaded Hawaiian shirt").
@kirbynix9189
2 жыл бұрын
Grew up UPC/Apostolic Pentecostal...what we were taught was radically different to what you've said here, lol (although some aspects were accurate to that background). I feel like a whole separate video is probably needed to help elucidate the difference between Apostolic ("holiness") Pentecostalism and the more sensible, biblical "pentecostal" denominations (i.e. AoG). Fun fact, the Apostolic Pentecostals actually had their roots in the AoG, but split off sometime in the early 1900s (I think, it could have been as late as when my great grandparents were alive and involved with the movement, which would've been like the thirties through to the fifties probably).
@ReadyToHarvest
2 жыл бұрын
You are definitely right that in this video I am talking about mainstream trinitarian Pentecostalism. But I do have a video on UPCI here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/lH5-sauicoygf2U and also a video comparing UPCI to Assemblies of God here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/zWeAuntqf5xnhaw
@kirbynix9189
2 жыл бұрын
@@ReadyToHarvest Awesome, I shall check those out!
@kenkeil9067
3 ай бұрын
Have no I’ll feelings towards Catholics,but when baptised in the Holy Spirit,it was a trans formation from religion to relationship.God living and personal in my daily walk.Took a couple of years before I spoke fluently in tongues.
@Torby4096
2 жыл бұрын
I grew up Lutheran, became a Charismatic Lutheran and switched to Pentecostal.
@leullakew9579
2 жыл бұрын
Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus is a conservative Charismatic Lutheran denomination.
@timothyowen4503
2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you did everything in the RIGHT order!
@TwinFalls88
3 ай бұрын
[ Carlton Pearson ] my favorite Pentacostal Universalist ! 👏
@user-yv2bd7qm4p
2 жыл бұрын
Also...I could be wrong on this, but last I checked, any Assemblies of God pastor who preaches or teaches anything other than Premillennial Dispensationalism, most likely, will lose his or her ministry credentials.
@padillas4357
2 жыл бұрын
That is what is supposed to happen, but not these days. The AoG is too busy with the church growth to be bothered with accountability for those in ministry. In my experience, the only way a pastor is removed or disciplined is if you have proof of sexual sin or financial wrong doings.
@jameswoodard4304
Жыл бұрын
As a Texas Southern Baptist who grew up during the "scary charismatic invasion," I have a growing respect for Calvary Chapel. Their doctrine generally seems right on and very biblically-founded, and they are highly restrained in their understanding of the charismatic gifts. I very much prefer a more traditional hymn-based worship style with maybe a modern praise chorus thrown in at the appropriate time, but such things are not division issues. I am actually more concerned with their almost corporate church governance doctrine than anything else. Which is pretty impressive to be able to say when looking at two supposedly so different groups. I have heard CC pastors preach strongly against Baptist-style "hireling" pastorship, and CC seems to me to be too far the other direction with pastors of new churches essentially appointed by more senior CC pastors. This seems less like a free assembly of believers responsible for acknowledging the one God has provided as their pastor or rmove him if he faips the test of pastorship, and more a corporate branch structure in which the appointed pastor and the CC brand *are* the church, and people are hoped to join. Yet this is less different to Baptist than Methodist or Presbyterian governance, so while it does deal with a central Baptist distinctive (Congregational Polity), it is not so large a divide as exists between us and most other denominations.
@WilliamofOckham990
Жыл бұрын
What do you think of the misogyny and homophobia and transphobia that is going on in the Southern Baptist Convention?
@jameswoodard4304
Жыл бұрын
William of Ockham , Do you mean the support for the Biblical standard on gender roles? I mean, the Bible's pretty clear. Everyone is free to formulate their own opinion and the Bible doesn't force itself upon anyone, but if we even pretend to be of a Biblical religion, we should probably try to live by Biblical standards. We have to ask ourselves, "Were Jesus and the Apostles just pious men that lived a long time ago, or were they presenting a divine message from God?" If the former is the case, then who cares about any of this? If the latter, then we would expect divine revelation to stand *at least* until further revelation says otherwise. Only God can change or add to His Word. I recommend digging into (Calvary Chapel pastor) Mike Winger's *extremely* thorough series on women in ministry. He candidly states that he started his research on the subject rooting for a modern Egalitarian reading of Scripture, but found an unassailable case for Complementarianism staring back at him. If you want a detailed and thorough explanation of the Complementariam position, you can't do better. Ask yourself, are you enforcing your ethics onto the Bible, or letting the Bible dictate your ethics? If you claim the latter, I encourage you to fearlessly follow along as Mike works through the controversies point by point through the Word.
@WilliamofOckham990
Жыл бұрын
@@jameswoodard4304 The Bible was a book written by human beings that can be interpreted in myriad ways. The Bible isn’t pretty clear on anything, it’s a work that screams out for interpretation. Ancient Israel and first century Palestine were deeply misogynistic societies and so the people who lived and wrote in those societies were deeply misogynistic, it makes no sense for us to be arbitrarily bound to them. Complementarianism is male domination by another name, because it conveniently gives people assigned male at birth control of most things that actually matter. Your all or nothing approach to a book is strange and disturbing, it’s a text that should be interpreted and reinterpreted constantly, and I really think that there’s no problem with just discarding what no longer works. Divine inspiration means it was inspired by the divine in the same way that Vivaldi was inspired by the seasons.
@brendaboykin3281
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Joshua🌹🌹🌹🌹
@nelsonmcatee3721
2 жыл бұрын
The charismatics came about as more people experienced the Pentecostal phenomena of speaking in tongues or embraced the doctrine, but were turned off by the legalism of traditional Pentecostal denominations.
@redwoodpartisan2433
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah if someone asked me to describe charismatics, I would say something like “something between Pentecostals and mainstream churches”. Either way, no matter how much charismatics have risen as a response to Pentecostalism’s meteoric rise, it’s clear the Pentecostals have pushed the Overton window of Christianity
@simonslater9024
2 жыл бұрын
There’s ONLY ONE CHURCH therefore protestant’s are NOT Christian! Protestantism is unbiblical heretical and anti Christ for proof watch Don’t call protestant’s Christian! Also watch the warning or illumination of conscience by Christine Watkins. Then Following Padre Pio. Then The Papacy can NOT be destroyed. Then as mentioned Don’t call protestant’s Christian-a very challenging video. Also please listen to these holy priest’s Fr’s Ripperger,Mark Goring,Bill Casey, and Chris Alar! God bless. Ps did you know that the Bible is a Catholic book the protestant Bible is an incomplete and corrupted Catholic book for proof watch Steve Ray’s excellent testimony.
@timothyowen4503
2 жыл бұрын
It would be more accurate say they were turned off by the conservatism or holiness beliefs of traditional Pentecostal denominations. Your use of the word legalism is an unkind, pejorative slur.
@YSLRD
2 жыл бұрын
@@timothyowen4503 Not really. Some pentecostals are definitely legalistic.
@leullakew9579
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, I loved your video. Can you do a video on Ethiopian-Eritrean Evangelicalism (P'ent'ay)? The main denominations being the Ethiopian Kale Heywet Church (a Charismatic Baptist Evangelical denomination with some roots in the Pentecostal, Mennonite, Presbyterian, Swedish Baptist, unspecified “Brethren,” and SIM Missionary traditions); the Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus (a Charismatic Lutheran denomination with roots in the Pietistic Lutheran, Presbyterian, and Pentecostal traditions); Ethiopian Full Gospel Believers' / Mulu Wongel Church (a Pentecostal denomination with some Mennonite influence); and Meserete Kristos Church (a Mennonite-Anabaptist denomination with Pentecostal influence). Most information on Wikipedia is correct while a few others are false claims or misconceptions (see talk pages and edit histories to make an educated judgment on its accuracy) but Wikipedia wouldn’t be a reputable source in the first place, so there are also several other resources that exist). All of these churches are Eastern Protestant and Evangelical Christian denomination, they hold to theologically conservative Evangelical Protestant theology and are Continuationist but maintain Eastern Christian traditions and cultural practices. Can you also talk about the “Serving the Whole Person” theology? “Serving the Whole Person” or Christian “Holistic theology” is a view sometimes characterized as a modified version of liberation theology by its critics and a small minority of supporters (this characterization may be a stretch) while maintaining theologically conservative beliefs (not to be confused with political conservatism). “Serving the Whole Person”/Christian “Holistic theology”states that meeting the spiritual needs of the people (evangelism) should not be separated from meeting the physical needs of the people (development). It criticizes most Western theologians for replacing one over the other; criticizing most Western theological conservatives (of that era) of “proclamation alone/preaching alone” without committing to take actions against social injustice and criticizing most Western theological liberals of participating in “social action alone” giving relatively limited attention to proclaiming the gospel and for straying away from Biblical orthodoxy on most other issues (homosexuality, opposition to biblical inerrancy, using an ideologically modernist lens on theological issues, loss of faith in the existence of miracles and the power of God, etc.). The “Serving the Whole Person/Holistic theology” still holds to to theologically conservative Evangelical view that salvation is through faith alone and that good works do not save but are evidence of said salvation; what makes this somewhat relatively distinct in addition to poverty alleviation (through charity) and what was stated earlier is that alleviating social injustices (including through dialogue with social activism/ists and against injustice) is one such work the church can or should do. “Serving the Whole Person” theology started out in the Ethiopian-Eritrean Evangelical Churches (Pentay) and spread to a few other denominations in other parts of East Africa. I also found out that there are also other theologically conservative branches of liberation theology that are but support Evangelical orthodoxy but emphasize social action and social justice on socioeconomic issues as a duty, many of which are found in the Global South (esp. Africa) and many Black churches in America - although some fringe White American Evangelicals mistake them as theologically liberal, while in reality they hold to many or all of the same theologically conservative Biblically orthodox beliefs as their critics. It started out in the Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus (Lutheran - “Eastern Lutheran” - Pietistic Lutheran - denomination with some Pentecostal influence and one Presbyterian-leaning synod), spread to the Ethiopian Kale Heywet Church (Evangelical denomination with Baptist - "Swedish Baptist" - that emerged out of the Radical Pietist movement - and Pentecostal roots with some Mennonite influence), Ethiopian Mulu Wongel Full Gospel Believers' Church (Pentecostal denomination with some Mennonite influence), Meserete Kristos Church (Mennonite-Anabaptist denomination with some Pentecostal influence), several other Evangelical denominations in Ethiopia and a few in other parts of East Africa.
@HolaBruv
Жыл бұрын
Mekane hiwet i think they are orthodox people but with reformed views
@leullakew9579
Жыл бұрын
@@HolaBruv They are not Orthodox, I know them very well. They, like all Ethiopian-Eritrean Evangelicals retain elements of Easter Christianity (which Orthodox are a part of) that do not conflict with Evangelical theology, although Mekane Yesus (Lutheran) do this more than others.
@felipewatkinson2101
2 жыл бұрын
My initial exception that I take with this presentation is with the use of the word "suddenly" in relation to the appearance of the first Pentecostals. Nothing occurs in a vacuum, and modern Pentecostalism finds its genesis in the John Alexander Dowie sect. Founders of the various Pentecostal denominations can trace their roots back to this influence.
@nosretep1960
18 күн бұрын
What a mikmash of 'denominations', had no idea there are so many! I attend CC, advocate strict adherence to the Bible, though there's many gray areas. If you compromise clear doctrine in one area it's easy to compromise in others. Seems to be rampant, to the general apostasy happening now.
@kevinhull7925
4 ай бұрын
This is interesting! I grew up in this part of the Body of Christ and I tend to blend Pentecostals and Charismatics, not sure where I grew up. The church I grew up in certainly didn’t believe “once saved, always saved”; it seems my mom’s current church doesn’t believe it, either. I don’t remember much one way or the other on whether or not speaking in tongues was a required sign for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The church I grew up in encouraged us to help folks get the baptism of the Spirit and to speak in tongues immediately after leading them in the Sinner’s Prayer. I remember some parishioners and folks on the pastoral team at my mom’s current church praying over a lady to receive the baptism of the Spirit. She did not speak in tongues. Both churches allowed women to preach: the church I grew up in was led by a husband and wife team, and when the husband passed away, his widow took over. (However, he did frequently preach on verses about wives submitting to their husbands.) My mom’s current church has both men and women on the pastoral team. In fact, when the senior pastor and his wife are unable to attend, one lady on the pastoral team generally preaches. The church I grew up in was very much premillennial/pre-Trib Rapture. The senior pastor of my mom’s current church has indicated he isn’t a fan of Rapture theology and even said in reference to it, “I don’t care!” As for liturgy, folks in the church I grew up in weren’t fans. I haven’t heard one way or another at my mom’s current church. It seems there is a lot of overlap. I guess my upbringing was more Pentecostal than Charismatic. (While I have embraced some liturgy and have explored other churches, I noticed I still intercede like a Pentecostal. I also noticed an urge to raise my hands in online worship.)
@BramptonAnglican
3 ай бұрын
One of my favourite videos.
@RLMMinistries
4 ай бұрын
The book entitled People of the Spirit by church historian McGee goes into GREAT detail about this
@alohaohana901
2 жыл бұрын
I just thought Charismatics jumped up and down and danced, whereas Pentecostals were more fond of rolling around on the floor and speaking that asinine glossolalia.
@jeffkardosjr.3825
2 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/lHul3mWloKRkhno
@kmaidotia
2 жыл бұрын
Very excellent presentation, I thought there was a difference but this clarified it for me.
@bootmender
2 жыл бұрын
What, you don’t wear Hawaiian shirts to your church? LOL back in the late 70’s & early 80’ I went to a Southern Baptist Church where you would see shorts and flip-flops. Also drinking coffee and eating donuts during the Service was quit common. People would set there coffee cups down to raise their hands. This was a little to free for me. I grew up with a more traditional atmosphere and it was called respect for God‘s house. I now in my 70’s go to a mennonite church where it looks more like a Baptist than amish. With a piano choir, family’s sit together, some will wear a suit and tie and another mite have bib overalls on. I have on occasion used my mule and buckboard on Sundays with bib overalls white dress shirt and bolo tie. The kids love me. I was a Baptist missionary And have been with congregations in Central and South America and Africa where your clothes were not important. But your Heart was on worshiping Jesus. I enjoy your videos, Thank You.
@tedpfenninger4972
2 жыл бұрын
On a very emotional level I've got to concur with your assessment of the coffee and, donuts phenomenon. I guess if and when the Allmighty is bothered by it He with correct them. In the interim the hear the gospel and enjoy Christian fellowship. Thanks for your comment!
@markmorehouse66
4 ай бұрын
I’m Pentecostal… not sure I agree with your assessment here… but that’s my uncle William Morehouse on the left in your thumbnail! That’s just wild!!
@ReadyToHarvest
4 ай бұрын
Neat! I'd be interested in hearing your take on what you may see differently. I also have lots of other videos on Pentecostal denominations if you haven't seen them.
@markmorehouse66
4 ай бұрын
Firstly, my Uncle in the thumbnail pastored a United Pentecostal Church until his retirement. The UPC teaches the necessity of Holy Spirit baptism as part of the New Birth as the blood, water, Spirit pattern is found throughout scripture and was preached by Peter on the day of Pentecost. So there are Pentecostals that believe in the necessity of Spirit baptism. You may not recognize them as mainstream, but PENTECOSTAL is right in the title!!
@ReadyToHarvest
4 ай бұрын
@@markmorehouse66 Yes, for this video it is out of place to have a UPCI guy in the thumbnail. You should check out my video on UPCI and let me know what you think. kzitem.info/news/bejne/lH5-sauicoygf2U
@markmorehouse66
4 ай бұрын
Your video on the UPCI is very well researched. Thank you for your channel. You do incredible work untangling the yarn ball of various faiths. I trust God continues to bless your vital work!
@Ribastein
4 ай бұрын
The interesting thing about the Catholic Church is that the Charismatic movement has become a movement that focuses on certain aspects of the faith. Within the church there are alot of movements that have different charisms or focuses from a faith perspective. It's part of being a universal church.
@MrJnh515
Жыл бұрын
I was raised in Charismatic churches. I would have put the A of G Church in the Charismatic column. Is it Pentecostal because of its temporzl founding? All A of G churches I've visited have a Charismatic feel to it.
@jeremyyap1714
2 жыл бұрын
There’s a whole new generation of non-denominational, charismatic in-practice churches that have no clue whether they’re Pentecostal or Charismatic nor do they care too much about the distinctions. 🙃
@jj21calago10
Жыл бұрын
Why what's wrong without knowing the distinction?
@jeremyyap1714
Жыл бұрын
@@jj21calago10 nothing's wrong with not knowing the distinction. But like Anglicans/Episcopals, Presbyterians/Baptists and Eastern/Oriental Orthodox, knowing what makes them different sheds a lot of light on why each denomination are the way they are
@nathanwatson1915
Жыл бұрын
They're probably NAR (New Apostolic Reformation).
@jeremyyap1714
Жыл бұрын
@@nathanwatson1915 All NAR folks are either Pentecostal or Charismatic, but not all Pentecostals and Charismatics are NAR
@jarinarline2878
23 күн бұрын
Really good video. I would say that the Church of God in Christ is more liturgical in my opinion. Would you agree?
@johngregory4801
Жыл бұрын
An EXCELLENT overview.
@Mario-dd9dh
Жыл бұрын
A classical Pentecostal Denomination you missed is the Pentecostal Holiness Churches Denomination! They are very close to the Church of God Cleveland/TN denomination in their theology!
@emmanuelmakoba6085
2 ай бұрын
Woah...you just mentioned my church.
@patrickd3256
2 жыл бұрын
I respect that Calvary Chapel stays consistent and United with its views, and doesn’t give into liberal ideologies.
@505Lucky7
2 жыл бұрын
This is a great video with lots of great information. It’s noteworthy that there is a growing Charismatic Movement happening within the Catholic Church as well. I’d enjoy hearing your thoughts on this as I am a convert to Catholicism from the Foursquare church, I’m not sure I would call myself a Charismatic Catholic, though many of my friends are.
@JimiSurvivor
11 ай бұрын
I am a Continuationist which narrows it down to one issue - whether or not God is still willing to use the spiritual gifts. This position differs from Word of Faith which holds that God will perform a miracle in response to faith.
@RepentNBelieveNJesus
4 ай бұрын
One thing to consider: Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. Matthew 21:21 KJV
@fightthegoodfightoffaithmi8676
2 жыл бұрын
Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 1 Timothy 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
@dhvfdj1
3 ай бұрын
I'm a fourth-generation Methodist. I am a charismatic. The real difference between charismatics and Pentecostals is class and education level. That's the way it was 40 years ago 0 even though now there's a blending in overlap of the two camps.
@Mr.D4wgg
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Would you be interested in looking into the current “political climate of the UPCI? Currently there is a polarizing opinion on how the organization should lead churches. One side says it should act as a leading head/central government with much more influence while the other says the opposite. I can hook you up with a guy who is doing D. Div thesis on it if you’d be interested.
@buckshot6481
Жыл бұрын
I saw more people die young of cancer in Charismanaic churches than in Southern Baptist. I suppose they couldn't get a $1000 healing prayer cloth in time.
@PockASqueeno
2 жыл бұрын
I would consider myself generally charismatic, but definitely not Pentecostal. From my experience, Pentecostalism is a specific denomination, as many churches have “Pentecostal” in their name. Charismatic is more of a general theological term describing your beliefs, but different denominations can be charismatic in that they believe in the gifts of the Spirit. Is that correct? I do believe in the active, supernatural work of the Holy Spirit and the gifts that He gives us by His grace. But I don’t believe that you have to have one specific gift (like tongues) to have the Holy Spirit. I believe that salvation, water baptism, and Spirit baptism generally happen at the same time, although there could be exceptions. This seems the most theologically consistent to me, and the three happened at the same time for me personally. However, I do realize that scripture doesn’t make this 100% clear. I am open to correction and am not legalistic in this sense. I’ve never been to a true Pentecostal church, but I’ve been to several charismatic ones. One was nondenominational (I attended this one for about ten years and eventually left because they had become too progressive and political. The second one was a Vineyard church, which I only attended two services and quickly left due to their lack of spiritual discernment and overemphasis on tongues. The third is the one I’m currently attending as of about three months now. It’s an Acts 29 church, and I haven’t really seen any red flags yet. They seem very biblical, theologically consistent, and spiritually discerning.
@bloodboughtbigphilr8266
2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't categorise Calvary Chapel as charismatic, especially since the split that led to the formation of the Vineyard churches who have been prone to hyper-charismaticism. Calvary Chapel have had a more recent split, the more conservative organising around the CCN. Although most of the affiliated fellowships to CCN would have a moderately continuationist view of the sign gifts, this does not make them charismatic and they rightly stand opposed to what Calvary Chapel founder, the late Chuck Smith termed 'charismania'.
@Puritan1985
2 жыл бұрын
If I were holding each denomination in one of my hands while over a cliff, I am not sure which one I would let go of first.
@TinyFord1
4 ай бұрын
Most pentacostals also don’t believe that tongues is a MUST HAVE. Do a poll I’m sure you’ll get a blazing “no”
@christianfellowship
4 ай бұрын
Check out “The True Evidence of the Baptism in the Spirit” by G.W. North
@raybarrientes7310
3 ай бұрын
Very true love is paramount but please don't feel like you have to widen the "gate"so more people can be saved!
@arliegage1380
2 ай бұрын
Im a Jesus Believer and our Church is the "Trinity Full Gospel"💖 Pentecostal Church. Iv been Gifted with Speaking in Tongues 🎉
@viz8746
Жыл бұрын
Difference is as follows -- American Pentacostal: Madness descends from above -- American Charismatic: Madness emerges from within.😃😃😃
@BriC7
4 ай бұрын
EVERY knee SHALL bow, EVERY tongue will confess, that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD!
@therondavis-ham936
2 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on the Convergence Movement and denominations like The CEC and the two CEEC churches? Many are unaware of what Convergence is. Thank You!
@ReadyToHarvest
2 жыл бұрын
Video on CEC already done and coming next month!
@tom27jr
Жыл бұрын
My church is CONVERGENCE
@martinkullberg6718
Жыл бұрын
I clicked on this video to refresh my memory to rehearse what I was thought years ago, now refreshment is needed to more accuratley classifie in what catagorie Mapalo's teaching fall (he is a Pentecostal/charismatic? KZitemr), I tend to say charismatic, but I began to doubt.
@marig6184
4 ай бұрын
I don't see a difference really.
@jhoughjr1
2 жыл бұрын
Catholicism looks simple in contrast. Such an interesting phenomenon.
@thetraditionalist
2 жыл бұрын
catholicism is literally the least simple denomination there is
@robsunners
2 жыл бұрын
@@thetraditionalist I think Leggo's point is that many Protestants criticise Catholicism of having a works-based salvation, when most Pentecostal and many Charismatic churches have a huge amount of specific works that need to be done, and criteria met, in order to demonstrate salvation.
@thetraditionalist
2 жыл бұрын
@@robsunners yes but these protestants are a minority
@stephengray1344
2 жыл бұрын
@@robsunners I think you're misunderstanding the Pentecostal and Charismatic view. Whilst being Baptised in the Holy Spirit is taken to be evidence that somebody is saved, I've not come across anybody from either group who thinks that people who believe in Christ but have not experienced Baptism in the Holy Spirit are unsaved. In these movements Baptism in the Holy Spirit is something that God does to equip people who are already saved for ministry. And it's quite common for Charismatics to believe that many Cessationists (people who don't believe the "supernatural" charismatic gifts are for today) have received it without realising (many dialogues between these two camps show that cessationists experience things that Charismatics would call spiritual gifts, but don't describe them as such).
@Qwerty-jy9mj
2 жыл бұрын
This one had to be sarcasm, there's just no way...
@TRFrench
3 ай бұрын
Thank you. that really helped.
@ronjones1414
4 ай бұрын
I've been doing this for 50 years. I do not understand at all why we feel compelled to make this so difficult or incorporate so much jargon. Be Christ like and love each other.
@ThiagoToledoSoares
Жыл бұрын
Do you have "RE-NEWED" churches in the US?
@maryphillips6354
10 ай бұрын
Great explanation!
@wallyshea826
Жыл бұрын
Very knowledgeable, Thanks
@TinyFord1
4 ай бұрын
I grew up being taught Charasmatics are people who want to be Pentacostal but aren’t ready for the full experience. It makes sense to me to describe it like that
@adorabledeplorable5105
2 ай бұрын
I thought the Charismatics jumped pews , where Pentecostals mostly spoke in tongues .
@kayedal-haddad
Жыл бұрын
How does Evangelicals differ from Pentecostals and Charismatics?
@christopherflux6254
Жыл бұрын
“If you want to find Calvinist who speaks in tongues you are more likely to find one in a charismatic church” As someone who attends a Newfrontiers Church, there’s a guy at my church who is literally a Charismatic Calvinist.
@P.H.888
3 ай бұрын
All very religious. Orthodox Scriptural Faith is in ✝️JESUS 🩸CHRIST 🕊️ Acts 2 v 1-4 I testify that I have received this same experience! Halleluyah AMEN
@goldenreel
2 жыл бұрын
Is there a reason UPCI wasn’t mentioned in the list of Pentecostal denominations?
@leullakew9579
2 жыл бұрын
That’s because the term Pentecostal is synonymous with Classical Pentecostalism (the mainstream Trinitarian Christian) and the UPCI is not a true Pentecostal/Classical Pentecostal (Trinitarian) denomination, the UPCI is a non-trinitarian Oneness Pentecostal denomination not recognized as legitimate Christian denomination let alone a Pentecostal denomination by Classical Pentecostals and other Evangelical Christians. Most see Oneness Pentecostals (UPCI) not as Pentecostals or Protestant Christians but are seen in a similar light as Mormons (LDS), Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW), and Iglesias ni Christi.
@russedav5
2 жыл бұрын
How sad that the common factor/element among all these groups seems to be a greater emphasis* on the fallen notions of fallen man than the perfect Rhema-word of Christ, Romans 10:17. *=I first wrote "focus" instead of "emphasis" but in reality the emphasis on fallen man's fallen notions is too often blurred, not focused. I'm a charismatic reformation kind of guy, the NT charismata-pneumatika G4152-G5486. together with both Lutheran&Reformed views after 1 Cor 12's command that one part truly of the body is not able (dunamai) to say "'I have no need of you.". God save us.
@nhanamnagappan5458
Жыл бұрын
Hi, which church do you go to worship?
@JWParkerPhDDDiv
Жыл бұрын
I was a controvesial figure in several pentecostal churches. I don't teach tongues, and you can lose salvation. I teach the fruit of the spirit are the signs, and once saved always saved. I was selected for a small charismatic church for the role of minister of christian education.
@ericamonite3112
2 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on house church I attend one there different then the institutional churches we don't always meet on Sundays or in bulidsings we allow men and women to minster no deacons or elders just average people running the ministry it's mostly family's or married couples
@TheScotsman1977
3 ай бұрын
For pentecostal and charismatics both their exposure experience is emotional and not spiritual.
@Richardcontramundum
2 жыл бұрын
Bwahahahaha! 8:55 dreaded Hawaiian shirt
@Sir_Howie
2 жыл бұрын
Tongues =/= incoherent babble claimed to be "the language of angels."
@5warpotentials258
2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome to have your opinion my friend
@marthaj67
2 жыл бұрын
@@5warpotentials258 Well, in this case, his opinion is reality. NOWHERE in Scripture is there a description of the NONSENSE of "speaking in tongues" that goes on in churches today. *Nowhere does Christ or Paul or ANY of the biblical writers teach that individual church members edify THEMSELVES by speaking in gibberish.* _The spiritual gifts have ALWAYS been about edifying the Body of Christ!_
@5warpotentials258
2 жыл бұрын
@@marthaj67 that’s great news you can discuss your opinion on how it’s mindless gibberish with the same person who wrote the original comment
@mrmcface713
2 жыл бұрын
@@marthaj67 Your the one speaking Gibberish
@stephengray1344
2 жыл бұрын
@@marthaj67 Are you saying that your copy of the New Testament omits 1 Corinthians 14:4?
@japexican007
2 жыл бұрын
What group do I fall into? 1. I believe a person is saved by following 1Corinthians15:1-4 and sealed according to Ephesians1:12-14 2. I believe baptism saves but not the water baptism which was just a shadow of the spiritual baptism that occurs by the father and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit 3. I believe after salvation comes our sanctification which is essentially our walk with God, the carnal flesh wrestles against the Holy Spirit as such whichever you feed is whichever grows, the more carnal you are the less of the Holy Spirit you will have and the more spiritual you are the less the things of the flesh will affect you 4. I believe we get rewards by how in sync we are with Gods spirit and will ie gentleness, meekness, doing good to others but only if these are honest acts and not due to ulterior motives, God knows our hearts as such he will judge our actions and their true intentions even if we deceive ourselves
@lifelinerealtalk3356
Жыл бұрын
I think you lean towards Charismatic. Only that Charismatic believes sanctification is by faith and received at salvation. Heb 10:10&14. But believe "renewal of mind" consecration as the process you describe. Roman 12:2-3.
@isaaccutlip5815
Жыл бұрын
I just started going to a Calvary chapel so I guess I'm charismatic
@watcherwlc53
2 жыл бұрын
Does this not overlap with Holiness churches?
@oliviamaynard9372
2 жыл бұрын
This is nice channel
@timsheppard9564
3 ай бұрын
I'm charismatic but I can't get past once saved always saved. I'm sure I lost mine.
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