Love the cleaning of the die montage and that Arctic Cooling cooler!
@jamsblast
6 жыл бұрын
Soul reaver
@HeyImGaminOverHere
6 жыл бұрын
Holy crap I always wanted one of those and a good DFI with the 815 chipset... Thanks for bringing back some wonderful memories Phil!
@FaSMaN
6 жыл бұрын
It's worth mentioning that you can pin mod the Taulatin to make it work with most motherboards, just remove three pins and bridge two wires :) works well with Via 133 Apollo boards for instance
@InfiniteClouds
6 жыл бұрын
I bought one of the modified III-s Tualatins from South Korea. Though my Slot 1 motherboard supports 133Mhz FSB and runs just fine at 1200Mhz (133x9) on my VIA C3 it will not run the Tualatin at 133 FSB. This is using an MS-6905 slotket for both. Just something to keep in mind.
@HappyBeezerStudios
6 жыл бұрын
Gonna do that with my CUSL2-C at some point.
@elbowsout6301
6 жыл бұрын
LOL I can remember doing that back in the day with a 1.2Ghz Celly Tualatin on an Abit SE6 Rev 2 and then overclocking it to 1.6Ghz for the rest of it's life. I can remember these Tualatins were outperforming the first P4's at that time in games.
@mr.hairyface8158
6 жыл бұрын
It's always pleasant to see your vids.
@Num1shark
6 жыл бұрын
I still have a few of the Pentium 3s and the Celeron variant. I found delidding them a good way to get them to work with old school heat sinks. I remember bringing my dual P3 to Lan parties back in the day and getting all excited.
@tunkunrunk
2 жыл бұрын
so do I, I just need compatible motherboards, but they are getting rarer and rarer, and expensive , around $200
@KARAOTI23
6 жыл бұрын
Impressive results...I didn't expect such a big performance boost comparing it to the 1000EB coppermine! It would be very interesting to see performance against early P4 cpu's also.
@fabiolorefice1895
6 жыл бұрын
As far as I can remember the PIII-S absolutely destroys the early P4 CPU's in many many benchmarks and tasks. Especially ones that weren't memory sensitive. Not 100% sure about this but I believe the Pentium III-S was more tuned for application in mobile systems in a time when the 'Banias' Pentium M's weren't quite ready for market and the Pentium 4 hadn't a good mobile counterpart yet. (If there were any good Pentium 4 M's, those were always a joke.) About the Pentium M, it was heavily based on the PIII architecture and included the good elements of the P4. A really streamlined CPU.
@QuadTubeChannel
6 жыл бұрын
I was given a laptop with a Pentium M 755 (2.0 GHz). The Machine felt highly streamlined: fast boot time, with applications feeling very responsive. Amazed how well the architecture performs even to the point of competing well with AMD's Athlon 64 depending on the workload. Some nostalgia if anyone's interested: www.anandtech.com/show/1399
@GraveUypo
6 жыл бұрын
QuadTubeChannel well that's where the core2 family was ultimately born from, so that's not that surprising
@JimHawkwind03411
2 жыл бұрын
@@fabiolorefice1895 The P3-S was designed for servers and workstations, especially one that would run 24/7. Hence, the "S" designation.
@apollosungod2819
Жыл бұрын
The Intel Pentium III-S at 1.4Ghz and with the 512KB cache will really put some hurting on even the 2.0Ghz P4s despite lacking SSE2 in those early days no different from how AMD's 1.4Ghz Athlon was also able to do the same... You can see why Intel made a particular chipset requirement which meant locking out the PIII motherboards from Intel that had RDRAM which would have further exposed something weak about the P4s which was actually exposed by the mainstream PC media when they used the Intel Pentium-M (essentially a hidden PIII architecture) meant for mobile solutions as a desktop CPU... Not saying that Netburst and P4s were bad but the story was that P4s were supposed to get faster when they hit higher clock speeds beyond 3.2Ghz and arguably even the 3.7Ghz which were P4s that were also locked out of running on Dual Channel RDRAM motherboard set ups... because RDRAM did have higher performance the higher the CPU clocks and smaller die shrinks allowed.
@GiSWiG
6 жыл бұрын
There is one other option. There is an adapter to allow Tualatins to fit in slightly older sockets. You will need to mod your cooler because you are adding the thickness of another socket and you'll want the heatsink to clip on the socket on the motherboard. Once a relative finds a Dell PC I built for them around that time, I can show you. I had to get such an adapter to put the 1.4GHz Tualatin in it. It has a Voodoo card in it too so I hope they find it someday. It should be in their basement somewhere. Awesome video! Of course, follow it up with a comparison to the first gen P4 and/or Athlon.
@lasinskiy
6 жыл бұрын
As always awesome video, would've been nice to see comparison with tualatin celerons though.
@Eisspitze
6 жыл бұрын
I have a 933 Mhz Coppermine with a Tualatin compatible board. There was a listing for one on ebay for 10€, but I missed it... damn, I really should have gotten it. Thx for the video!
@Gooberslot
6 жыл бұрын
I love the Celeron Tualatins. With the proper adapter they make a great upgrade for a slot-1 motherboard.
@MrLittlecat123
6 жыл бұрын
Great to see this. I remember back in 2004, I got my first PC has pentium celeron 2.4ghz.
@c.zatara-673
3 жыл бұрын
I used a tualatin p3s 1400 with a cuv4x mobo until my phenom II upgrade in 2010! This processor was incredibly ahead of its time. Paired with newer gpus like a geforce FX you could walk distances with it.
@techsalesandmore3649
Жыл бұрын
Totally true. I kept this cpu for ages. Sounds daft, but I honestly felt it was just as fast than my P4 1800
@DeeDeeKL
6 жыл бұрын
ah yes .. the holy grail of my old company :-D when i started there, we all had 1.4GHz P3 Dell desktops ... then, some of us were getting the P4 2GHz+ machines (dont remember the speed, but was with HT)... after a while we noticed a huge performance impact on the P4s ... so we had some official statement from company "X" that their app runs best on P3 with the short pipeline ... so all good at the end and we could keep our P3s..
@philscomputerlab
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, love these nuggets from the past :D
@sahibnoorsingh987
6 жыл бұрын
i'm coming to Australia next year . i'll meet you for sure
@ElectricSkyUK
5 жыл бұрын
I bought one a couple of years ago to go into my Windows 98 Retro (in a modern Case) build. Such a beast.
@xiardark
6 жыл бұрын
Oh man...so glad I bought this setup (mobo/cpu) back in the day. Got the CPU for $10 USD and the mobo for $40. Mobo I ended up with was a DFI board CT64 I think. 2006 was a good year to buy older stuff. Been working on my own benchmarking stuff, but after Phil mentioned the ram deal, finding board that support DDR for the AMD and P4 and PIII systems can be a challenge.
@user-kd4pg8hu7t
6 жыл бұрын
Good job, Phil! I only wish you'd also benchmarked a 500 MHz Katmai (I still keep one such system, btw). Thus, we would have seen the performance differences over 500 MHz increments of the three revisions. An early P4 could also complete the picture, but hey, it's never enough :)
@ihateevilbill
6 жыл бұрын
Watched this with great interest. I had one of those CPU's. It blew everything else away at the time.
@desolatorXT
6 жыл бұрын
Would be fun to test this against a pentium 4 @ 1.4Ghz and also add an AMD Athlon XP of the time at the mix...
@kathleendelcourt8136
6 жыл бұрын
The PIII 1.4Ghz would destroy the Pentium IV 1.4Ghz and it would be roughly similar to the slowest Athlons XP (1500/1600+).
@xiardark
6 жыл бұрын
no...it doesn't. I have both the PIII S 1.4ghz and a 1.4ghz P4. Difference comes down to ram speed. P4 uses RAMBUS, makes about 10% difference in favor of the P4. And, I made sure to use the same winxp pro os, 1gb of ram, and same GeForce 3 (vanilla) cards, both use SB Live! and IDE HDDs by Seagate with 80gb storage. So minus the chipsets, and cpus and ram, that's as identical as they get without expensive crossover boards for the ram/chipset
@LS3ftw15
6 жыл бұрын
I was about to say the same. Phil, I'd love to see a part 2 of this video comparing the Tualatin 1.4 against the Athlon Thunderbird 1.4, an early Athlon XP and some Willamette Pentium 4's.
@kathleendelcourt8136
6 жыл бұрын
I've seen so many benchmarks saying otherwise... The only game in which the Rambus made a difference was Quake 3.
@elzabbul
6 жыл бұрын
Add those crappy Celerons - 1.7 Ghz sucked so terribly...
@DennyNeznan
6 жыл бұрын
Damn, the more i watch your videos, the more i lust for a high end PC from my late childhood. I already have a 5820k/32gb/GTX970 for recent stuff and Q9550/4gb/GTX650 for XP stuff...maybe some day they'll be accompanied by a PIII-S 1.4/512mb/Ti4600 98SE PC.
@HappyBeezerStudios
6 жыл бұрын
Sounds pretty good. Like that Core 2 setup.
@skoal9372
2 жыл бұрын
I bought one these off ebay in the late 90's. It was wonderful. I have not been excited over computers since the 90's.
@samtime2711
6 жыл бұрын
These really good videos and stuff, what would like with these era of gaming, if you would not be better off going with one of more common Athlon xp cpu you would find around early 2000s?
@StillTheVoid
6 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video comparing and choosing the best motherboards for PIII. Also, please review any PCI graphics cards for pIII motherboards.
@lucaspam
6 жыл бұрын
Another great video Phil! I think that I would get an Athlon 64 or a core2duo, since the Tualatin motherboards lack ISA slots. I am stuck with coppermine for the time being, but it's great to see this CPU tested here!
@TheSynrgy1987
6 жыл бұрын
Some Tualatin supporting boards do have ISA slots, not easy to find though.
@logansorenssen
6 жыл бұрын
I would naively have predicted about a 40% performance delta, and it certainly looks like that's about right, with a few outliers. Nice beast, that P3!
@theottergames1969
6 жыл бұрын
Tualatins were awesome cpus for it's time. Straight from them intel developed pentium m if remember correctly. Another great vid :)
@PeTTs0n88
6 жыл бұрын
Hehe, you know me so well, gotta love top of the line stuff. ;p nice video!
@stevef6392
6 жыл бұрын
I have a bit of a soft spot for the III-S. In early 2002, I was looking to upgrade from a P2-233. The P4 2.2 had just been released, and I think AMD had the 2000+ Athlon XP at the time. Both great processors, but I just had to build something a little less mainstream, so I chose the PIII-S. I overclocked mine to 1575MHz and paired it with 1GB of memory, a 160GB HDD, and an Audigy sound card. Playing host was a mainboard based on the Apollo Pro 266T chipset. Well over budget, I had to cheap out on the video card, so I used an MX440 for a year. Then in 2003, I went all out and sprang for the Radeon 9800 Pro. Man, that PIII-S was my main system until late 2005!
@philscomputerlab
6 жыл бұрын
Something I wanted to look into, but ran out of time. The Pentium III-S is more a workstation type CPU? Like a Xeon these days? Because I believe most PCs for the general public, they went straight from a 1 GHz Pentium III to a Pentium 4. Like Aldi for example, I like using them as a time period reference.
@stevef6392
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the "S" processors were intended for server use. The standard desktop Tualatin only had 256K of cache and wasn't much faster than the Coppermine EB, clock-for-clock. The cache latency on the desktop version was also a bit higher, similar to a Coppermine. Interestingly, the mobile Tualatin had the full 512K, and laptops based on them were real screamers! I wonder why Intel only chose to handicap the desktop processors.
@retrogeek4372
5 жыл бұрын
Probably because the release of the Pentium 4 was close and pretty much a failure. Especially the earlier Socket 423 ones with 256kb L2 and not much higher clock than the Tualatin.
@cobrar5161
3 жыл бұрын
moto racer and pentium 3 two beautiful memories from my high school days.
@VampiresCrypt
6 жыл бұрын
what capture card do you use to capture that crystal clear game footage?
@metchak
6 жыл бұрын
i'm still using Pentium!!! 1ghz 133/256 . it's awesome cpu. Thnx for the video. Greetings from Turkey
@o1230sponge
6 жыл бұрын
I have one in one of my old rigs, and have a 450 MHz and a 500 MHz of the Katmai cores as well.
@GraveUypo
6 жыл бұрын
:\ i don't have any pentiu... oh wait, i still have my pentium 2 i think. 400mhz. used to run it at 533mhz, even ran it at 600mhz for a good 6 months. aside from that, it's all athlons for me. except for that one pentium 4 3ghz HT that i bought recently. and for my 2009 laptop, which is a pentium dual-core. but that doesn't count since it's just a gimped core2duo, not a real pentium.
@oilmaninpowell
5 жыл бұрын
The open air computer case at 0:40. Did you make that or can it be purchased?
@angelosleventis1873
4 жыл бұрын
Dear Phil! I finally built my retro pc following your excellent videos! But on the start up screen my PIII is recognized as 1GHz rather than 1.4 My purchase was a PIIIs Tualatin 1.4GHz on ebay and my Mb is an ASUS TUSL2 with the Intel 815 chip. Is there a fixable reason or did they send me the wrong CPU? Thanxxxxxx
@titotech
6 жыл бұрын
i would love to see an comparison with P4 Willamette Socket 423 1.4~2.0Ghz.. maybe with some Rambus memory.
@Officer94
6 жыл бұрын
same here! ^^
@Lilithe
6 жыл бұрын
Especially with some of the early P4 era Celerons as well. I used to have a 2.4GHz Celeron which I overclocked right up to 3Ghz pretty stable and 3.2Ghz with some issues. Used to game on it back in the 2000s.
@HappyBeezerStudios
6 жыл бұрын
A 1400 Tualatin with full 512k cache is around a 1.7-2.0 GHz Pentium 4 depending on the test. The P4 with RDRAM will got alot of bandwith with it, but the long pipeline lows it down alot (except for stuff that can keep it filled, like video rendering) Beating even 2.4-2.6 GHz Celerons in some situations. With oc to 1575 MHz (150 FSB, easy to reach on good boards) and we are talking serious buissness.
@glenwaldrop8166
6 жыл бұрын
Even when the code had been optimized for the P4, the Tualatin, Coppermine and AMD's Thunderbird and Thoroughbred beat the P4 quite well. You really had to set it up right for the P4 to win. Video editing was pretty much never benchmarked before the P4, as it was one of it's strong points. Until the P4 hit 3GHz it just wasn't worth it. The AMD chips were faster and burned less power, the older Intel chips were essentially killed off early so the P4 could keep going. Intel doctored the Tualatin core and created the Pentium M, later the Core Solo, Core Duo and Core 2 Duo, eventually leading to Nehalim and the Core ix line. The big reason we have the Core lineup now is that the P4 wasn't a good fit for the mobile world. Intel also realized near the end of the P4's life that the next generation of the P4's heat production and power requirements would be ridiculous. It sounds like they had 5GHz P4, maybe even dual core prototypes, but power consumption was obscene compared to the performance they were getting out of the Core Solo.
@glenwaldrop8166
6 жыл бұрын
I'll see what I can dig up. I owned all of the processors I mentioned above and then some. It is rather hard to find benchmarks from 17 years ago though. The video editing thing was hoot. FlaskMPEG was recompiled with an Intel optimized compiler and it improved AMD's performance more than the Pentium 4. Still have a copy of both versions of that program on file here.
@thomasgrady
6 жыл бұрын
I just bought a 1.4 Ghz PIII and am looking to get a quieter cooler. I am currently using a stock PIII cooler, but it is way too loud. I searched for the Arctic Cooling Copper Silent 3 that you used, but it appears to be out of stock in the USA. Can you recommend any other similar quiet Tualatin-friendly coolers? Thanks.
@chanakasat1
6 жыл бұрын
Cool stuff! Hope you will someday do a dedicated P3 1Ghz/1.1Ghz copermine build with 815 like chip-set to see what can we achieve (max) from such an affordable system (still) .. What GPU is the best for such system etc etc :)
@StigDesign
6 жыл бұрын
Awsome video as allways :D
@Distriived
6 жыл бұрын
There's a guy on eBay that sells these that has them mounted to a PCB that makes them compatible with more motherboards. I bought two for my Asus dual Pentium 3 motherboard and they worked right out of the box, though they don't show up in the Bios as the right processor but they work great. I'm now running Windows XP great with dual Tualatin. That machine is a beast.
@philscomputerlab
6 жыл бұрын
Does your motherboard support the 133 MHz FSB, or will it overclock the bus?
@Distriived
6 жыл бұрын
Yes it does, it's the Asus CUV4X-D. It seems pretty stable. I put 4x256mb pc133 ram in it and haven't had any bsod's. I got it for a good deal on ebay
I do have a powerleap for a tualatin celeron. But no this is what i got on ebay. www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Tualatin-Pentium-IIIs-1-4GHz-512K-include-On-chip-Socket-Adapter/281238323137. It's a PCB mounted under the cpu that makes the cpu like 1mm thicker. Basically it mods the pins to make it work in older socket 370 motherboards.
@talvisota327
5 жыл бұрын
i have an asus CUV4X-DLS which is like the CUV4X-D, just with SCSI (i think)... sadly only with 2x 1 ghz coppermine at the moment but i will upgrade to 1.4 tualatins in the future
@Mani-aX
3 жыл бұрын
Hey do you mind sharing the model board you are using for this test? thanks!
@RWL2012
2 жыл бұрын
I now have one of these, with a QDI Advance 10T motherboard :)
@SONYPVM
6 жыл бұрын
Yo Phil, I got a Pentium III CPU that's clocked at 1.1ghz but I OC'd it to 1.3ghz, is this safe if I have a good cooler?
@Ldunk
6 жыл бұрын
I was lucky enough to get a p3 1ghz that overclocked to 1.13 Tualatin speeds. I had to have a 1.4 T and got one to o/c to 1.7 and I was in heaven for many years. I still have the computer and am thinking about setting it up as a retro gaming PC.
@Tom2404
6 жыл бұрын
You should have also tried the normal Tualatin 1.4GHz (non S version). It would have been interesting to see how much difference there is.
@jordicoma
3 жыл бұрын
The pentium III had a flat cooler? I had/have an athlon XP with exposed die, and had a cooler with a hole to put the die (not totally flat).
@QuaaludeCharlie
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for Using the Pentium III processor . They are worth far More as a Working Computer Part than you'll ever get in Gold Scrap :\ QC
@philippepanayotov9632
Жыл бұрын
Still works to this very day!
@Dewotto
6 жыл бұрын
My CSS course's server room has 3 old Compaq servers each with 2 Tualatins.
@kennyj4366
4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Is it to fast for Win 3.11? (For Workgroups?).
@smallmoneysalvia
6 жыл бұрын
Very close on the pronunciation of Tualatin there. A lot better than most other channels. These architectures are difficult to pronounce from just reading them, so here’s a handy guide: Tualatin: “two all a tin” Deschutes: “duh-shoots” Willamette: “Will am it” They’re named after locations in Oregon, US.
@turbofiero86
5 жыл бұрын
theres Tualatin based Celerons... wonder how much of a difference the cache size and bus speed really makes
@erminc1891
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Phil, is it possobile to do a review P3 1.4 tualatin vs AMD Athlon 1.4 GHz Tunderbird but on a SDR Mainboard?
@HappyBeezerStudios
6 жыл бұрын
1.4 Tualatin vs 1.4 Thunderbird DDR vs. 1.4 Thunderbirds SDR vs 1.8 Willamette SDR vs. 1.8 Willamette RD, that would be a nice test.
@sl9sl9
6 жыл бұрын
The Tualatin would probably win, because it has double the L2 cache of T-bird and Cu-mine. The P4 Willy would be quite a bit slower than both, because having a 20-stage pipeline compared to 11 would more than cancel out the 400Mhz clock speed bump. We should all just let the Pentium 4 die, it was a dingleberry on the butthole of history!
@FatalityOCC
5 жыл бұрын
Everyone knows that P4 will win - but you forgot a real 2001 king AthlonXP 1800+ Palomino @@HappyBeezerStudios
@SpeedIng80
3 жыл бұрын
I still have a 1,266GHz P3-S and an Asus TUSL2-C Mainboard, which I will reassemble again after your inspiration :-) . Have you ever had a Pentium-M, running with the Asus CT-479 on a Socket 478 Mainboard? That's my other retro-PC-rig, overclocked from 1,73GHz to 2,4, running great on Windows XP for a very long time...
@FaSMaN
6 жыл бұрын
Got to love Taulatin CPUs
@nomoredamnnamestouse
6 жыл бұрын
That Aussie weather must be really good for electronics, the brackets of video cards turns dull only after a year over here in Malaysia thanks to the nasty humidity.
@SOU6900
4 жыл бұрын
Just out of curiosity what's with that short brown colored expansion slot at the bottom of the motherboard? I got an old Soyo AMD Socket A board with a similar slot that I have no idea about its purpose.
@philscomputerlab
4 жыл бұрын
You can get modems for this slot!
@TallGarage
6 жыл бұрын
i got mine in a 440bx board with a socket adapter, pretty amazing.
@fourtysix4646
6 жыл бұрын
You mentioned the Athlon fx-57, that was the single core version of the 939 athlon 64 fx CPU right? I have a fx-60 that I bought of eBay about 5 years ago to replace the 4200+ I had originally. The absolute best socket 939 cpu.
@philscomputerlab
6 жыл бұрын
Yea it's the fastest single core FX.
@abcdefg9613
6 жыл бұрын
I had a p3 Tualatin with a Radeon 9550.I remember being able to oc like 75 MHz out of it because I was using a mobo not able to lock the PCI /agp bus frequency so things got unstable pretty fast. This thing was extremely fast, it wasn't an a64 but it worked very well, the CPU so fast that it outperformed every atom setup up until the Pineview core, excepting setups with Nvidia ion.
@HappyBeezerStudios
6 жыл бұрын
I have a CUSL2_C that also can't lock PCI/AGP, still got it running on 150 FSB, which puts the PCI to 37 MHz and the AGP to 74 MHz. Still stable. Got my P3 933 up to 1050 MHz that way.
@abcdefg9613
6 жыл бұрын
HappyBeezerStudios - by Lord_Mogul in my case I could oc higher only if I used on-board audio(which was a shitty ac97 Realtek), otherwise the sound card would freeze when raising the PCI clock.
@ALPHAGROUND1
10 ай бұрын
I was going through my old scrap pc's that I collect.. because well for this reason.. found a duel Pentium 3-s machine thing was pulled out a dumpster if I remember right pretty cool!!
@Mini-z1994
6 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you can compare this pentium III versus socket A processors up too the fastest one released the same year as that pentium 3 ? (up too 6 months after this 1.4 ghz pentium 3 released imo.)
@3DfxAslinger
6 жыл бұрын
My 14000 Tualatin runs with 1575MHz and default VCore of 1,45V. The SL6BY Stepping is better than the older SL5XL.
@twenixcz
6 жыл бұрын
realy good video ilove retro pcs
@SneakiestDuke68
Жыл бұрын
Also Tualatin 1.2 GHz is much faster than coppermine 1 GHz?
@KARAOTI23
5 жыл бұрын
I just rewatched this video cause I wasn't sure if I needed a better graphics card for win98 or a better cpu. I have a GF2Ti on a 1000EB system with a VIA 133T chipset motherboard (GA-6VTXE). I also have an FX5900XT and I compared both cards and found out that the GF2Ti is faster in low resolutions but the FX5900XT is way ahead in resolutions like 1280x1024 and in some games in 1024x768 too. So I realized that the FX is severely bottlenecked by the cpu, hence I definetely need this tualatin processor!
@liamiangaming7931
3 жыл бұрын
What is some good Pentium III tualatin boards for a good price on either ebay or electromyne, is there any good ones you know?
@tunkunrunk
3 жыл бұрын
they are damn expensive on eBay , for the same price you can get a brand new motherboard kit
@kirbyswarp
6 жыл бұрын
How much would the non-S 256kb cache affect performance?
@rebeccaschade3987
6 жыл бұрын
I got a pin-modded Tully 1400 in my Compaq Deskpro with i815 chipset. It's a great cpu, and makes for an awesome year 2000ish system.
@NightMotorcyclist
6 жыл бұрын
I really wanted one of these after seeing a PC manufacturer paired these with DDR RAM for their top tier machines but the whole system was $2200 without a monitor.
@tyttuut
6 жыл бұрын
I just set up a computer with a 933MHz Coppermine PIII. I wonder how it would compare in terms of performance.
@supabass4003
Жыл бұрын
Hey Phil, Operation Flashpoint would be a good test for this CPU, there is a map that recommends a 1GHZ P3/Duron and I remember my 700mhz P3 struggling pretty bad at times.
@philscomputerlab
Жыл бұрын
Which one? There are several games it seems under Operation Flashpoint...
@alexman6280
6 жыл бұрын
thanks for the nostalgia)
@iraklispap1369
Жыл бұрын
Hello @phil how much is the perfomance loss for an x8 agp card on an x4 or x2 agp socket?
@O.Shawabkeh
Жыл бұрын
Zero, there's no performance loss. Only recently with the monster RTX 4090 there has been noticeable difference across the port speeds.
@LellePrinter82
6 жыл бұрын
I have a Tyan dual socket 370 motherboard with two 1.4 ghz, it is rocksolid. It also has 4 x 512mb pc133 sd-ram installed! Also have a Gigabyte dual 370 motherboard with dual 1.26 ghz. One thing I love with the Tyan motherboard, with the latest bios update it supports IDE-harddrives larger than 120gb. All way up the last IDE drive, 750gb. I don't remember the model numbers, but I love dual cpu systems.
@philscomputerlab
6 жыл бұрын
2GB of RAM? Nice! I wonder what chipset that board has...
@LellePrinter82
6 жыл бұрын
The Tyan mother is a Tyan S2507T (Tiger 230T) It uses the VIA Apollo Pro133T chipset. And the Gigabyte motherboard is a GA-6VTXD and it uses the same kind of chipset too.
@tschooptschoop
6 жыл бұрын
LellePrinter82 that tyan system was THE shit back then. i had a 1ghz thunderbird at the time and always dreamed of a tyan dual cpu board. You have a real cool piece of PC history there, i think.
@beetooex
6 жыл бұрын
I'm jealous. That sounds like an awesome system to play with. I wonder how it compares to a low end core duo laptop? The Yonah based T2050 @ 1.6ghz must be pretty close?
@LellePrinter82
6 жыл бұрын
And the best is, I found the Tyan motherboard years ago in an old pc case from the dumpster. I would've loved to own a Dual Pentium Pro system too. Right now I have a single Pentium Pro 200mhz System, with 128mb of edo ram.
@Nipedley
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Phil, you don't technically need a Tualatin compatible chipset. I'm using one with a slot-based Asus P3B-F 440BX, using a slotket that has been modded. It's quite easy to mod. I can go from a P2 233 @ running 133 to the 1.4 Tualatin-S, crazy! And with ISA for sound as well
@philscomputerlab
6 жыл бұрын
That overclocks the FSB and busses, doesn't it? And such an adapter often costs more than a proper Tualatin compatible board.
@Nipedley
6 жыл бұрын
It does overclock the FSB however it runs just fine, and the PCI clock is correct as there is a divider for it in the BIOS but AGP bus is slightly overclocked. My Geforce 5900 works just fine with it though. The slotket I used is very cheap, they are available from Germany for 5 Euro - MSI 6905. You can either mod the socket side or get one of the adapters that fits onto the CPU side instead, either way it's quite easy to do if you google Tualatin pin mod you should find the info
@UpLateGeek
6 жыл бұрын
I had a P3 1GHz back in the day, and it was a beast at the time. Being a student I was looking for a budget option to upgrade, and the prospect of just swapping out the CPU was appealing, but my Via chipset motherboard wasn't compatible with the Tualatin processors. Clearly the P4 was the way Intel was going, but P4 motherboards and CPUs commanded a pretty hefty price premium, so I just ended up going with an AMD Athlon XP 1900+ thoroughbred. My next upgrade was an Athlon 64, but I did eventually get a P4, which was a cast-off from a friend's upgrade.
@philscomputerlab
6 жыл бұрын
Got to check out AMD on a more period correct board, like with SD-RAM or early DDR, usually I use a modern KT600 board.
@djpirtu2
2 жыл бұрын
Just got my first P3-S 1.4GHz from EBAY, wasnt cheap. Modded it with the korean guy PCB and put it in Asus P3B-F with MS-6905 slotket. FSB to 150MHz (clock speed 1570MHz), 512MB memory with 2-2-2 timings, Geforce 5900XT and yes, ~11400 from 3DMark01. I can run Doom3 and Flatout2 with it. And if I want some DOS gaming then I just swap multiplier unlocked P2-300 (Klamath) in and clock it to 2x66=133MHz. :)
@johndee759
2 жыл бұрын
What’s the difference between the 100 mhz and 133 mhz fsb tualatin?
@rainerdietwerner5048
3 жыл бұрын
I bought that processor with cash when it came out...everyone thought I was crazy, I guess I was emotional...
@spidermcgavenport8767
6 жыл бұрын
Extremely nice PC set-up, would there be a comparison between Intel vs AMD K series or Athlon?
@spidermcgavenport8767
6 жыл бұрын
When Celeron is considered I found it great at computations under database processing and spread sheets. Excellent at excel and very basic gaming.
@MrKillswitch88
6 жыл бұрын
There is couple of better Pentium 3s in the form of the Pentium M as they got the Tualatin core with some more modern features and they clock higher while being cheaper.
@TheGodOfBlocks
4 жыл бұрын
Wait, are you telling me that a Pentium M 780 is essentially a Pentium III running at 2.27GHz with 2MB of cache??
@MrKillswitch88
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheGodOfBlocks Same execution core while the floating point unit and other things were new. You can read what exactly was changed in articles posted online.
@sburton015
6 жыл бұрын
I remember my very first PC I built myself had a 1.0 GHz Pentium III, 256 mbs of pc133 ram, 32 mb nvidia geforce 2, 20 GB hard drive, and ran Windows Me. I remember that I built in March of 2001. Then before I sold it, I remember I upgraded it to Windows XP.
@春長
6 жыл бұрын
Your first build sounds very similar to my 2nd build; had it long enough for most of its original components to died: P3 1Ghz Gigabyte 815 MB (which died and had to find an ASUS replacement) 256MB SDRAM ATI RAGE 32MB (died and replaced by Geforce 2 MX400 64MB) 20GB HDD (died and replaced with a Maxtor 80GB) Creative SB Vibra (died and replaced by Creative SB Live 24bit - 0410) Liteon 52x CD ROM (blew up one CD, then died sometime later, replaced by ASUS DVD-CDRW Combo drive)
@sburton015
6 жыл бұрын
I remember at the time, if you had a large budget, you could get a 1.5 Ghz Pentium 4 system with 256 mb of rdram. Of course my desktop build I have now still isn't new today, but kindof modern. Has an Intel Core i7-4770k cpu, 16 GBs of ddr3 ram at 2400 mhz, and an EVGA NVidia gtx 1060 6 GB ftw2+ graphics card and a 275 GB crucial ssd with a 3 TB seagate hdd. I think most of my components are from around 2013, I guess still good enough though to run the latest games and stuff.
@EgoShredder
6 жыл бұрын
I got two PIII 1.4S for £3 ($4 in today's money) each back in 2010, but without coolers of course. I have a Zalman CNPS6000-CU all copper cooler on it. It overclocks reliably in an ASUS TUSL2-C motherboard at 1.7GHz and approx 155MHz FSB. Brilliant CPU and a classic?
@JohnSmith-iu8cj
3 ай бұрын
Phil: Prices are not out of the window yet. Prices: Hold my beer.
@unrealdevon
5 жыл бұрын
So the corsair vs450 psu has enough power on the 5 and 3.3 line? Im having a real problem finding a good psu for my intel815aae motherboard. It only has one 20pin for power. I would love a retro psu guide video.
@philscomputerlab
5 жыл бұрын
Pentium 3 should work with any half-decent modern PSU! VS450 should work just fine.
@unrealdevon
5 жыл бұрын
@@philscomputerlab Ok so Win98se P3 933mhz (1.4ghz later) Geforce 4400t 128mb 40gb ide hdd 512mb ram Cd rom ide drive Sb live! 5.1 And a few fans ofc. I hear alot of talk about the psu power standard changing around 2002? And the focus went away from the 5v and 3.3v rails to 12v rail. I understand there should be some truth too this claim but maybe for more power hungry hardware then? Could you shine some light on this for me and the rest of us. I see there are others who wonder aswell when i do google searches.
@foch3
Жыл бұрын
What about the Pentium III M? I can't find anything about them.
@GraveUypo
6 жыл бұрын
how come you didn't test it against the obvious? atlhon 1.4ghz [edit] well i guess it loses to the atlhon since i used to get 11k 3dmarks 2001 with mine and an overclocked ti4400 that was a bit a tiny bit slower than a stock ti4600
@kommandokodiak6025
2 жыл бұрын
what did people overclock these chips to?
@kingcrimson234
4 жыл бұрын
I just ordered a dual socket tualatin server motherboard with 2 GB RAM and two of these 1.4 ghz P3s. Dual CPU Tualatin... curious how Windows 7 runs on that.
@talvisota327
3 жыл бұрын
win 7 doesnt run too bad if you have a gpu that has desktop acceleration (aero). ofc you can forget modern programs but that applies to every OS.
@icqme8586
5 жыл бұрын
I'm using an AOpen ax6bc 440bx board with a Tualatin 1.4 in a modified adapter. Probably wasn't worth the cost when I could build a P4 or XP system for half the price but like you say, there's something about having the best of an era.
@carlnauwelaerts4802
3 ай бұрын
I had a 1.2 GHz Tualatin Celeron to upgrade from my Pentium II 300Mhz cpu. I purchased the Celeron together with a slot cassette adapter so it could fit into the slot of a Pentium 2. My PC came to life again in a crazy way! Best CPU upgrade ever. Well, maybe together with my Kingston upgrade chip which was based on the AMD 5x86-133 Mhz cpu, to upgrade my Intel 486-66 Mhz cpu. That was also one bloody good upgrade. Sigh, where are the days...
@thatLion01
4 жыл бұрын
Did these cpus work in dual socket?
@RanieroSupremo
2 жыл бұрын
Dos it work with a motherboard with ISA?
@gaeljehnno
4 ай бұрын
just ordered a TUSL2-C to play with a p3-s too (and a voodoo 3 pci and gf2 ultra agp).
@joeshmoe000
3 жыл бұрын
BTW I made a dual tualatin 1.4 GHz system run skyrim. I had to remove the SSE2 instructions in ollydbg, and for some super strange reason, the game still runs even with those instructions removed (it shouldn't work, but it does). Probably really bad EXE optimization. It crashes about once every half hour, but gets like 20-25 fps. Video card was HD 4650 (second fastest AGP).
@MidagedgamerBlogspotter
6 жыл бұрын
The Tualatin was always expensive and hard to find even new. Motherboard compatibility was a problem as well. I had the P3 1Ghz and it worked well for years until I went to the P4 Prescott. Totally skipped the Willamette because the Prescott kept my room warmer in the Winter time. lol
@kztech1319
6 жыл бұрын
Today I've come through a Tualatin compatible motherboard in the trash (MSI MS-6368), along with some broken/bulging capacitor, as well as a socket with the top plastic missing from incorrect cooler. Is there a way to get the top plastic back on, and is it worth it to revive this mobo just for the sake of Tualatin, even though it has no agp slots?
@philscomputerlab
6 жыл бұрын
Just get a replacement cooler. Loosen the bracket a bit to make it fit easier.
@kztech1319
6 жыл бұрын
PhilsComputerLab Oops my bad. I mean the top plastic of the socket is missing (the plastic that shifts to secure the cpu as well as the lever). It may have been pried off by an incorrect cooler or salty previous owner
@philscomputerlab
6 жыл бұрын
Oh, yea not sure about that one to be honest.
@martinez1701a
6 жыл бұрын
Thats a good CPU I have the Celeron Tualatin core 1.3ghz little less cache and I believe its a 100mhz FSB but I was happy with it.
@koushiroizumi0
6 жыл бұрын
Hello there! I recently got an old Pentium3 workstation with dual cpu support. HP Kayak XM600 series 2 MT. But i am having trouble finding the cpu support. Maybe you can help me?
@philscomputerlab
6 жыл бұрын
Contact HP, you never know. Or just try out a few CPUs.
@UndieingLust
6 жыл бұрын
Once again Phil, You're a fount of knowledge. (PS: I wish modern CPUs would come with out the IHS. Problem is they won't take the risk of some idiot breaking the chip.)
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