Since folks are asking a lot about costs. The idea was just to give folks an idea of what is possible and there is a lot of variability here. - ~$500-$515 for the base we used, but there are options for less than that. - Maybe $25-30 for an extra 16GB DIMM. 64GB is like $150-200, 96GB $279 - $29 for the 2.5GbE NIC. $129 for the 10Gbase-T NIC, - SSDs from $50 to $400 each depending on speed/ capacity. I think all-in on the top-end config we would have spent around $1.5K
@Act1veSp1n
Жыл бұрын
Original Model #?
Жыл бұрын
Taxes excluded of course. The price could easily go up to 2.2k.
@YerBrwnDogAteMyRabit
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, was wondering the extent of the cost as spec'd.
@someonegreat6931
Жыл бұрын
What the original Model # -- I'm see price at $700 and up
@YerBrwnDogAteMyRabit
Жыл бұрын
@@someonegreat6931 DEFINITELY keep your eye on auctions, not just BIN's, esp ones that end at crazy hours, like when people are asleep. I got an HP Elite Desk mini for $140 when similarly configged ones were selling for 250ish. Seems like a lot of people can't be bothered with auctions anymore.
@Airbag888
Жыл бұрын
The small 10Gbe module blew my mind.. If there was a way to pop in a couple of 3.5" drives it'd be perfect. That said let me tell you that a 10Gbe with 11W idle is a feat.. most systems you can build will NOT support PCie APM and will prevent the CPU from going down to C8.. Patrick can you confirm if this CPU is indeed able to hit C8 while idle with the 10Gbe module?😊
@YerBrwnDogAteMyRabit
Жыл бұрын
If anesthetics aren't a huge concern, you can prob run externals, but I'd go with a couple of 2.5 SSD's personally.
@st3althyone
Жыл бұрын
@@YerBrwnDogAteMyRabitI don't think anesthetics will solve this issue. 😂😂
@Airbag888
Жыл бұрын
@@st3althyone haha yep.. We could Frankenstein something but no 12V will make it harder. Maybe via Thunderbolt but I did not see it amongst the specs
@st3althyone
Жыл бұрын
@@Airbag888 Thank you, but I think you missed the joke with the misspelling of the word “aesthetic.”🤣🤣
@Airbag888
Жыл бұрын
@@st3althyone oh I did not but too much work replying to everything haha XD
@FrenziedManbeast
Жыл бұрын
This video was definitely a step up in quality from a lot of the round-ups, or quick looks. Focusing on a single unit of hardware, going into what it has, upgrade paths, and a sample OS configuration/use case is far more useful than just a pile of different mini PCs all mixed together. I think you'll build a higher quality, longer lasting body of work by focusing on these "hardware journeys", and then after you get three or four put together maybe do a year in review, etc. By having a continuum of builds we can all appreciate how hardware evolves and opens up new configuration possibilities, etc. Plus then you have an encyclopedic body of work to further harvest for a "let's review all the cool stuff added over the past three gen!" type videos. Anyway that's just my $0.02 - everyone knocked it out of the park with this one, bravo!
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
Great input. I think the next one we are going to try this with is the Intel Xeon W-3400/ W-2400 series. We have several different systems, but I think that is going to be a "here is the motherboard, and here are 3-4 different options ranging from relatively less expensive to very fast, very expensive". We will see how that one goes in 2 weeks or so. I will just point out that this costs like 3-4x what we usually spend on a Project TMM review and takes probably 3x as long to produce because of waiting for parts and then trying different setups.
@FrenziedManbeast
Жыл бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I like the idea of incorporating HEDT and more Enterprise stuff into HomeLabs. Speaking personally, my background is gamer and PC builder turned professional programmer for the past 13 years. A *lot* of the content I'm interested in involves beefing up my knowledge about enterprise gear. I got tired of having 1GbE for over a decade in my Home, so I started looking at more DIY upgrade paths and found you that way. I would wager there's an entire generation of DIY gamers out there who just don't know what they don't know about Enterprise gear that works in the Home, and I feel like this is probably a goldmine market for yourself and others like Level1Techs who can bring that knowledge to us. I'd love to have 25GbE+ in my home for example, and just be done with upgrading that for another 10+ years. But, how do I go about it? What enterprise gear translates to the home Windows Desktop environment, and which cards run too hot/loud without a rackmount or just don't have drivers? You can see the opportunity here, and it's clear to me I have a *lot* to learn.
@absolutrichiek
Жыл бұрын
Did something similar at a lower cost. Took my Lenovo M715 with an old Ryzen 2400GE and swapped the Wi-Fi card for a 2.5GbE. Has a 4TB SSD, a 1TB boot nvme, and 16 GB ram. All in for under $350
@joeyjojojr.shabadoo915
Жыл бұрын
I was just about to post the wifi-to-2.5Gbit option, then I read your post. Exactly what I would do. Who wants Wifi in our Homelab...lol. Wifi is for our wives/GF's.
@absolutrichiek
Жыл бұрын
@@joeyjojojr.shabadoo915 I was thinking about the 10GbE using the M.2 slot but it would be wasted on the M715. It's always nice to see these videos so I know what I can put in my home lab 3-5 years from now 🤣
@joeyjojojr.shabadoo915
Жыл бұрын
@@absolutrichiek I am in that same 3yr+ time frame for some of this hardware...lol. I just upgraded my rack to a 10Gbe backbone (and Wifi6 for the wife) with mixed 2.5Gbe and still 1Gbe client devices elsewhere on my home network.... so I am a bit behind the times.
@MrQuay03
9 ай бұрын
How do you buy even get 4TB SSD, 1TB nvme and 16GB ram for under $350?
@absolutrichiek
9 ай бұрын
@@MrQuay03 $50 1tb Samsung 970evoplus, $150 team group 4tb SSD, $30 16gb ram kit. It's all about the sales
@adubs.
Жыл бұрын
I guess its too late to find these for a reasonable price now. Everyone snatched them up.
@deaddevil7
Жыл бұрын
There are new AMD mini PCs that can compete with this at the exact same price.
@TheOfficialOriginalChad
Жыл бұрын
@@deaddevil7model number?
@SirFishouse
Жыл бұрын
I prefer the Lenovo 1L. Some of them have an expansion slot that allows for you to install a low profile card.
@MrQuay03
9 ай бұрын
Too expensive
@Bearbytez
9 ай бұрын
You're not missing out unless part of the value to you was the build process. At this price you can get something similar or better with a lot less after-purchase labor.
@lhxperimental
Жыл бұрын
Non Binary DIMMs? What are their pronouns?
@joga_bonito_aro
4 ай бұрын
vi/vim
@diego750
3 ай бұрын
Hex is real
@YouTubeGlobalAdminstrator
15 күн бұрын
0/1
@ericneo2
Жыл бұрын
That 10GbE what a find. I love seeing this stuff and the potential it has.
@FlexibleToast
Жыл бұрын
10G makes this finally truly viable for things like CEPH. That's what I've been waiting for.
@0xKruzr
Жыл бұрын
@@FlexibleToast literally exactly what I was thinking when he started installing Proxmox.
@burre42
Жыл бұрын
@@FlexibleToast Do you consider using CEPH in a home setup? Or am I missing something? I've managed CEPH storage for some years, and for me you need at least 5 CEPH storage nodes for it to make sense, preferably more. The less storage nodes you have, the bigger part you need to not use. For 3 copies and 5 storage nodes, you can't go above 60% if you want redundancy if a node dies. I got three cephmons, but probably could get away with one in home setup and just use the data on storage nodes to rebuild the cephmon if it dies. We've switched to dual 25gb nics (bonded) some years ago as standard.
@FlexibleToast
Жыл бұрын
@@burre42 yes, I use CEPH in my home setup. Proxmox uses CEPH for its hyperconverging. Proxmox takes away all of the complication of setting up CEPH and it has been super reliable. As for the storage space, of course if you're running only three nodes and you want 3 copies you can only use as much space as is in your smallest node. For a homelab I've never run into that being an issue.
@damiendye6623
Жыл бұрын
Used ceph in 3 node production environment with erasure encoding. But on dual 100gbkt ethernet
@Zarathustra-H-
Жыл бұрын
Also, be careful with those Sabrent Rocket 4's. They have a reputation of failing without warning, and when they do Sabrent generally doesn't want to cover RMA unless you register within the first few days of buying them, which is really shitty.
@ytxzw
Жыл бұрын
maybe this is the reason that they don't sell them in Poland (EU / guaranty requirements)
@sysadmin-info
Жыл бұрын
@@ytxzwthanks for this hint. I would like to buy it to my Home lab. It seems I have to buy it abroad.
@BotchedGod
Жыл бұрын
oh theyre absolute turds only ones ive ever seen were dead
@headlibrarian1996
4 ай бұрын
What do you suggest instead.
@SelfSufficient08
Жыл бұрын
Great video ! I checked for i7’s on eBay and unfortunately they all appears to be $900+ vs the $500 that you landed. I do look forward to finding one eventually.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
Yea, they were in the $500-550 used range for about a day after the article/ video came out.
@domantlen6231
4 ай бұрын
This might be the most viable solution for portable openshift lab i've seen so far. I mean 96GB of RAM is indeed game changer here.
@keithmiller9665
Жыл бұрын
Yeah...This started off interesting but quickly became silly with the cost of all of the add-ons. You took a $500 odd base system and added a lot in cost making it unrealistic for most users. 😢
@davidaraujo2049
Жыл бұрын
Last week you promised and now you delivered! Thanks ! I'm looking to setting up my first virtualization homelab and this is the perfect product for me !
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
Glad we could help!
@tmoney1876
Жыл бұрын
I don't think that non-binary memory modules will ever seem normal to me...
@Nalianna
Жыл бұрын
Correct. why not just add 128GB? instead of 96GB?
Жыл бұрын
Anything “non-binary” is not normal, not just memory
@rohanjamadagni
Жыл бұрын
@@Naliannabecause now you can get to 192gb with 96+96
@Nalianna
Жыл бұрын
@@rohanjamadagni But the 10700T only supports up to 128gb.
@mineturte
Жыл бұрын
@@Naliannahopefully soon 192 🙂
@jmd1743
Жыл бұрын
Could you please create a guide on building SSD NAS? Also, when can we expect 10tb SSDs?
@mdd1963
Жыл бұрын
Already a handful of 8 TB units, but, not cheap!
@UrbanCha0s
Жыл бұрын
You having a laugh. $600-700 for the HP Elite Mini 600 G9. Then add the additional requirements. Didn't even bother watching.
@breakingthemasks
3 ай бұрын
Same
@stefanbehrendsen330
Жыл бұрын
I have 4 of these in a stack running proxmox and ceph, cause I wanted a really cheap way to get a ceph cluster up and running for testing and learning. Not exceptionally viable with 1gb nics, but with 1gb AND 10gb I could see it being a useful cluster - and ceph allows for HA without needing a centralized SAN or other kind of storage.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
Proxmox VE has Ceph integrated with a UI as well so that is the use case I was thinking about when we first started these :-)
@SilentDecode
Жыл бұрын
I recently put a HP Prodesk 400 G6 on my rack. That machine runs Debian 11 with docker containers. Nice small machines. But, I like the Lenovo M720q's I have, a bit more, as they have PCIe slots. In total in my rack: HP Prodesk 400 G6, i5-10500T, 2x 8GB DDR4-2666, 128GB 2,5" SATA bootSSD, 1TB WD SN770 for data. Running Debian 11 with Docker Compose. 2x Lenovo M720q, i5-8500T, 2x 16GB DDR4-2400, 1TB NVMe SSD. Running ESXi 8 native. Intel NUC7i3BNK, i3-7100U, 8 + 16GB (24GB total), 500GB NVMe SSD. Running ESXi 8 native with vCenter installed on it.
@strife711
Жыл бұрын
These little hp minis are best to build hackintosh computers. I've built like 15 of them and that was in less than. 3 days to do it .
@kterstal
Жыл бұрын
This channel is becoming more and more dangerous... It won't take long before I get myself three of these machines and fire up Ceph... ;-)
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
Ceph is the Tier 2 w/ the 10GbE NIC :-)
@Killroy13
Жыл бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Is there a version of these that supports 2-4 HDDs for OSDs and ECC RAM? What I am looking for is one NVMe for an SSD pool, one NVMe for wal/db, and two to four HDD OSDs.
@ernestoditerribile
Жыл бұрын
@@Killroy13NetApp has nice NVMe solutions up to 1024 NVMe drives in a MetroCluster.
@Killroy13
Жыл бұрын
@@ernestoditerribile I just want two NVMe and two to six SATA HDDs. One NVMe for a "fast" VM pool, and one NVMe to increase the responsiveness of the much larger SATA HDD pool.
@IraQNid
Жыл бұрын
Slow down. You talk too fast. Your thoughts are all over the place.
@Maisonier
Жыл бұрын
But that ddr5 is ECC RAM? if I want to use with truenas scale for example and zfs files.
@mattrogers6646
Жыл бұрын
Nope, not with a 12700T. You'd need Xeon or AMD for that.
@seantellsit1431
Жыл бұрын
Would be nice to have a list of all the TinyMiniMicros that can have an addon ethernet port. Let it be 1, 2.5, or 10Gb.
@Nalianna
Жыл бұрын
Exactly, i need a device with 2 ethernet ports (both 2.5gb or better), 64gb ram, LOW power cpu. Many cores. ability to have multiple m.2 nvme drives. I am considering A) a variety of these 1 liter PC's... B) Chinese motherboards with laptop cpus... and also, C) 2650L type Xeon's (also in Chinese motherboards) It's a jungle :(
@danachimov6631
7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much. Just built my homelab based on this setup. Affordable, great performance, small footprint, low power usage. Couldn't be more pleased.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
7 ай бұрын
Super! Great to hear.
@guydurand6270
Жыл бұрын
By the way, Linux being "taxed" is not measured, like Window, by CPU but by load average. A base measure is, while running top, to press the 1 key for the number of cores, and if the first number of your load average is greater than the number of cores, then your system is starting to be taxed. In addition, your I/o wait and such are an indicator of whether or not your system is being taxed. Linux is not Windows. So that little system could have been quite fine with a busy CPU.
@gx4548
8 күн бұрын
just pick this most reviewed post of this channel, with the hope to draw a bit more attention, for this information: hey guys, if you plan to buy a Dell Optiplex micro, please avoid models using Foxconn blowers. i think Foxconn has fxxked up with the RPM curve vs temperature. in short, the blowers on my 5080 is set to min. about 1800 RPM, no matter the CPU is only about at 33 Celsius (room temperature at about 22), instead of at around 1100 RPM, in their previous models (7070 and 7060). yes i have all 3 of each of these models, and all have i5 CPU. 7070 or 7060 is not using Foxconn blower. although from 1100 to 1800, there does not seem much difference. this does make a humming noise and you will definitely notice when in a quiet room with it. just avoid it.
@Od4n
Жыл бұрын
Starting with a $500 used unit from eBay . . . Tier 0 which sucks. If money is not a topic, then you can build a lot of fancy things. ....even cheaper.
@DerekMurawsky
Жыл бұрын
I'm a huge fan of those tiny form factor systems for home labs. I use them stock most times... Might have to look into some upgrades. :)
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
I think the stock method (or just adding a DIMM and/or SSD) is pretty common. We still wanted to show what else you can do with them.
@afnDavid
Жыл бұрын
LOL at the rediculous handwaveing, vocalizations, and antics. Offensive from the start! Not worth watching.
@brandonnelson4164
Жыл бұрын
These things are no longer found for < $1000.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
When I looked this morning checking the ebay link there was one for $599 OBO there
@1ns0mniac
Жыл бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo those are with the i5 chip
@brandonnelson4164
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I saw the i5’s but not the i7’s. It looks like the passmark score’s are not significant between the two however, ~17000 vs ~22000.
@britishagent
Жыл бұрын
Top Tip: Talk Slower and people might remember something interesting you say!!
@nick10291
Ай бұрын
If you choose a faster SSD could you use a smaller heat sink to help with cooling or maybe cut into the shell next to the SSD. I have poor airflow in office and worry about heat control.
@luisvieira8854
Жыл бұрын
A bit over $500 ... cheat??? You have a different definition of what means the word ... cheap.
@ytdlgandalf
Жыл бұрын
I have an older one and retrofitted an extra nic by means of an m2 i210 on it. Serves as nat router for my ftth deployed by kubernetes. So much overkill for home environment, but very cool if i may day so myself. These things are awesome
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
Very nice!
@richardsorge-
Жыл бұрын
No. Sorry, I don't get the point. Following Your advice, I bought an HP G2 i7 and upgraded it with ram and NVME 1Tb. For about 250 € total, that's good for retrogaming and emails and I could always move the NVME later to another machine. I am very happy of this toy. But the Elite 600 You are talking here is 800-1000 € in EU. With that money I can build a real computer, maybe not a monster, but certainly better that this machine. What I don't understand ?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
In the US they were $500-599 when we published the video. Adding more capacity adds cost, but some folks want cores, memory, storage, and networking in a host. The G2 is still a cool machine and the upgrades are much less expensive.
@denvera1g1
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, i want this for a firewall+router+steamcache box Sure i i'd be fine with dual 1G and a pentium for just router/firewall, but with that i7, 32+GB of RAM, 10G LAN, and dual NVMe this would make an AMAZING caching box. I bet that with the USB-C you could connect a hot spot to it to get 300Mbps down for off grid pop-up LAN parties where everyone brings a 7840H based mini PC and everything is solar powered :P I cannot wait for the 128GB SODIMMs I've got an ITX board that has only 2 DDR5 SODIMMs and 96GB is a little bit limiting. But mainly so that i can get a total of 128GB like my old system, or even 192GB of system RAM without paying flagship 256GB prices.
@drfrequency
Жыл бұрын
Hello, Does anyone know if a pair (x2) of Seagate Firecuda 530 WITH HEATSINK would fit inside this HP Mini PC and ALSO a SATA SSD inside the Caddy / Case? I mean Everything at the same time
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
We did not try those drives so not sure on that. The SATA SSD carrier for these has a fan to cool the SSDs which would probably be good. It might work if you can get the SATA data/ power cable, but that is a lot of heat to deal with in a small volume.
@phsouzabr
Жыл бұрын
I'm patiently waiting for the new wave of Intel N100/N200/N305 motherboards & mini pcs coming out. Low power draw, it's gonna be perfect for tiny servers.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
We reviewed one i3 N305 Beelink EQ12 Pro system and also had a review video with fanless quad-port 2.5GbE N100/N200 systems. We have the N305 fanless video probably going live next month
@millgiass
Жыл бұрын
We don't even have 1GBPS internet around here... and people have 10? Fuck Ohio...
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
10Gbase-T is also for LAN access to NAS
@ehlers320
Ай бұрын
I just built one of these but it idles at 20w draw. I removed 1 SSD and the 2.5g nic. Am I missing a bios setting or something? I did go with a mini 800 g9 instead of the 600 g9 though
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Ай бұрын
Sounds like a power profile
@Zarathustra-H-
Жыл бұрын
I like that it is serviceable and easy to get into, and its really cool that they make 10gig custom NIC's for it, but I'm not sure I'd want to run a server and/or home lab using consumer CPU's and non-ECC RAM... Especially if using ZFS. It's generally a bad idea to use ZFS without ECC. It sticks way too much stuff in the "arc" in RAM. You could easily get a flipped bit there, especially during scrubs. Could you pop a Xeon in there? And if you did, would it work with unbuffered ECC?
@LouisSubearth
Жыл бұрын
Unless you're doing heavy tasks around the clock, consumer grade CPUs and non ECC RAM modules are perfectly adequate for home server use.
@Zarathustra-H-
Жыл бұрын
@@LouisSubearth You certainly don't want to run ZFS without ECC. High risk of flipped bits for a storage system.
@xellaz
Жыл бұрын
Powerful, sips little power, and at a decent price. What a combination! I would definitely consider buying one of these with all the upgrades already done. Specifically the 10GbE version. I would have a lot of fun setting this up! 🤤👍
@elduderino7767
11 ай бұрын
sips little power? the cpus TDP is 99w! imho this is a terrible setup, tbf i don't think the reviewer is serious with this build, just trying to max it out but if you were to put consistent load on this thing it'll fail quick, the combined heat of the cpu and 2x nvmes will kill the thing is short order and these cpus in a tiny pc makes no sense, a ryzen u series like a 5800u makes much more sense
@domantlen6231
4 ай бұрын
@@elduderino7767 While i agree about nvmes - indeed they probably add a lot of heat and may be a gamechanger here. But I don't agree about the part about cpus choice. I mean they are designed for such appliances. If HP chose to sell those with i7 T-series (probably for heavier loads) then i bet it was after some extensive research about temps. Besides in 7:56 you see bottom note that this setup had 45 DAYS uptime - i bet Patrick would report here if anything bad (like extreme temperatures) were happening during that time.
@elduderino7767
4 ай бұрын
@@domantlen6231 99w TDP is way too much heat for this form factor why do intel do it? because they have too, it's the only way they can get the performance to rival ryzen - that doesn't make it a good idea if you need this much power just get a ryzen, they are much more efficient it will produce reliably without thermally risking other components
@domantlen6231
4 ай бұрын
@@elduderino7767 Companies like HP stick with intel not because performance but because vPro and some other CPU features which AMD has not polished enough or doesn't have at all. Some software just require Intel cpus or are optimized for it. And switching to any other CPU vendor is a big deal for company who serves the hardware for all those banks, officess, institutions. For them compatibility is more important than performance i think. I remember more than once where included instructions (like AES-NI or VT-d) gave Intel advantage in business uses even though AMD offered cheaper and more powerfull CPUs. That's why AMD is really doing well in gaming industry.
@domantlen6231
4 ай бұрын
@@elduderino7767 Sadly i don't see any terminals which use Ryzen. Only miniPCs (mostly from China) which in my country are little more expensive, less flexible (soldered CPU) and less "stable" (their Bioses and other things are less polished or patched than terminals)
@shanearkins8202
26 күн бұрын
Have you had any issues with 96BG Ram? I've seen threads with people having unexpected shut downs
@ServeTheHomeVideo
26 күн бұрын
Not yet and it has been running for some time
@joshhardin666
Жыл бұрын
I *REALLY* like this idea in terms of form factor and overall density. I could easily see myself 3d printing a 1 or 2u server rack bracket for a few of these, but I feel like this stuff is *really* expensive for what you get. for an insignificant increase in volume, you can get something like a "Dell OptiPlex 7070 SFF i7-9700 3.0GHz, 32 GB, 250GB SSD" for under $400 which is 8c/16t 4.7ghz, upgradable to 64gb ddr4 per dell (others have tested up to 128gb and ddr4 is cheap now) and most importantly has a half-height pcie slot which gives you a lot of i/o options (for example my go-to of a $40 intel x540-t2 dual port 10g ethernet adapter also from ebay) or optionally 2-4 more m.2 drives, or heck, you could install a pcie sas HBA and use it as the head for a cheap as chips external jbod sas DAE, and then an m.2 10g network adapter if you needed a storage solution. Personally, I think I may end up picking up a treo of said 7070 units for a proxmox cluster. with some 2 port m.2 adapters, keep the 32gb of ram for now (upgrade later if/when i need to when i find a cheaper ram deal), and i'll probably drop a 2tb m.2 ssd in each (maybe 2) and do ceph with erasure coding in order to spread the vm data around performantly between nodes. for HA. haven't decided yet though. the 7070 *is* certainly larger than the mini hp units presented here, but it's still pretty small sff in the great scheme of things.
@mysteryboyee
Жыл бұрын
i disagree on the "insignificant increase in volume", these hp 1L units are very, very small, and make even SFF units like that dell you mention look like a full size tower in comparison, like, in the space you can fit 2 of those dells, you could fit about 6 of these HP's
@madscientist032
Жыл бұрын
Patrick you're making me want to replace my existing M-ATX homelab & NAS node with a couple of these (heck could just grab one and virtualize everything else!)
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
That is the point of the Project TinyMiniMicro series :-)
@madscientist032
Жыл бұрын
I know! I've been watching for ages and haven't really wanted to upgrade but now I do! Great content as always!
@BOXabaca
Жыл бұрын
My small cluster idles at 10w each for 8500T/6500T mix for 40-50w *idle*. Could easily migrate all or most of it to a single 12700T/96GB and cut idle usage a lot.
@ZeeKay80
Жыл бұрын
For NAS we need slots for 3.5 HDDs. I don’t see how these tiny minis will support them.
@anggorotriatmojo1200
Жыл бұрын
Very nice, it's a dream for me however to own one. Running 1ghz laptop from 2012 as ubuntu server and another laptop motherboard as NAS, and tv box for vpn server lol
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
Some folks find amazing deals on these types of nodes in yard sales/ dumpsters/ craigslist and so forth. They often get sold cheaply when they are off-lease. Keep up hope!
@anggorotriatmojo1200
Жыл бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo i will. hunting for good deals been my life for the past months
@yeltas
Жыл бұрын
I'm happy with my lenovo m910q with xeon e2276m which as a whole costed me $150 used. This cost nearly $600 with shitty i3 in my country, totally not worth rn.
@gabrielporto.mikrotik
Жыл бұрын
Just imagine a HA cluster with three of that HP nodes. 🤤🤤 The only thing that I missed was a sata port to plug a 128GB 2.5” SSD just to boot proxmox and use the nvme mirror only for local storage.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
The SATA data + power internal port remains, but we did not have the 2.5" + fan assembly and I get a bit worried about airflow. It is possible though.
@JasonFowler
Жыл бұрын
Not being negative. I am unsure about the actual usefulness or something that costs 550 and ends up costing nearly 200% more in upgrades for something that is just a proxmox box. You could do the same with something cheaper.
@jerremm
5 ай бұрын
Something about having a secondary management network is not very "homelab".
@ServeTheHomeVideo
5 ай бұрын
Why? Whether it is VLANs or physical, people out IoT devices and more on second networks all the time
@J.erem.y
Жыл бұрын
looking on eBay and other sources, there is absolutely no way at all anyone is going to meet the price point your talking about.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
That price was valid for weeks before this video and at least through the day it was published. Weeks later, usually our TMM series sells out. Core i7's there is no longer used inventory. There are actually two scuffed up 600 G9's with Core i5's that are $399 right now. Somewhat hard when you look two weeks later since the main site traffic is more than the YT which means used stock can sell out and it is not long enough for more used stock to appear.
@americanmambi
Жыл бұрын
this is DEFINITELY not cheap
@MaxFenix8k
3 ай бұрын
That is too much, you can get a Lenovo Tiny for like 80 bucks and does almost the same
@ServeTheHomeVideo
3 ай бұрын
We have reviewed plenty of the Lenovo units as well
@mike-oh7pz
Жыл бұрын
$500! Why not just get a dell Optiplex Micro for around $100
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
Lenovo and HP are a pretty big step up from the Dell's, and these have much better connectivity options than the Dells at the $100 price point.
@ytxzw
Жыл бұрын
Hi one thing that I have noticed for similar unit (G2 800 Tiny with i5 6500T) about the power consumption without any load. On Windows it was about 6W but on Linux Ubuntu it was about 11W. Maybe here there is similar difference when using Windows? Anyway this is a great box. I'm also using it as a home gateway / server, but this newer one is much more powerful from what I can see (2 NVMEs, better CPU, not sure if ETH is upgradable also on the older unit). Of course the price tag is different and I don't really need more power, but it could be my next box to be used for such things.. Thank you for a great review. BTW. previously I had 70W idling i5 4670K, 32G RAM, ~12TB ZFS5 ubuntu gateway, but the G2 800 Tiny with i5 6500T 16G RAM with 2 additional DELL USB ETH 1Gbe sticks, with different storage configuration (no ZFS5 currently, but only SSDs, I have to make a automated backup or move to Proxmox or something similar - IDK yet), this simple small box is just so good for what I'm using and it's gonna pay off for about 1,5 year of electricity here in Poland.
@jasonperry6046
Жыл бұрын
Soo..... I started thinking, what about the Lenovo and Dell version. Then, I started thinking about what about the DVR version or another specific use case version. Still thank you, I really enjoyed this video.
@anthonyjhicks
Жыл бұрын
Sharing a similar working upgrade config I'm using. I have a Proxmox Cluster of *three* HP EliteDesk 800 G6 Mini PC i5-10500T’s I picked up on eBay. Configured Proxmox HA between selected VMs on the nodes and Proxmox Replication keeps everything in sync every 15 mins. Failover tests have worked well with VMs moving nicely between the Nodes if I yank a network cable to simulate a failure. Upgraded each of these three with: 1 x Crucial RAM 64GB Kit (2x32GB) DDR4 3200MHz CL22 CT2K32G4SFD832A 2 x Crucial P5 Plus 1TB M.2 PCIe Gen4 NVMe SSD - Up to 6600MB/s - CT1000P5PSSD8 Each pair of Crucial SSDs is running in ZFS Mirror as in Patrick’s video. Overall very happy with this home lab setup and love having three of these for *mostly* worry free redundancy. Gives me 36 CPUs and 192MB to play with, allowing some headroom for VM failovers between the Nodes if needed. Might be time to upgrade to 10GbE in these for the fun of it.
@MrBobbybrady
Жыл бұрын
Upvote for the Proxmox info! Thank you very much! Just keeps getting better.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
Thanks much. PVE since 2014/2015 here.
@alafrosty
Жыл бұрын
I don't understand how you're able to do noise testing when Patrick is in the studio. Like, when is he ever not talking?
@notsure6222
Жыл бұрын
How do you get 96gb memory when the board is limited to 64, I don't understand that. Can someone explain?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
I am not sure what you mean by the limit? We show it with 96GB running in Proxmox VE with 2x 48GB DDR5 SODIMMs.
@notsure6222
Жыл бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo The computer, you're using. HP Elite Mini 600 G9 specs say max memory is 64GB, so I'm trying to understand how you get to 96GB, is it cause you are using the non-binary type (first time I hear of those) and that's something they can do or how does that work.
@chenbayun9494
Жыл бұрын
i would choose those lenovo m920 with x520-da2, cheap with similar spec
@Max-jv3yg
Жыл бұрын
Yep. Clicked on this video for the 10GbE. 9min in you find out it’s a Marvell chipset :(
@Wesrl
Жыл бұрын
Where I work we have been having old old intel nuc fans dying or overheating so I have been collecting the okisn ones and taking them out of the cases and am making them into different servers. Next step is to find away to case them but still get to the IO
@matthewkramer8613
7 ай бұрын
This thing looks awesome.. Looking to update my fractal tower/Supermicro Xeon server from 7 years service.
@missinglew
7 ай бұрын
It's nice to have an unlimited budget. Otherwise, though luck trying to "have fun"
@neilquinn
Жыл бұрын
Nice setup. A few of thoughts/questions: (1) It might be nicer to go with AMD machines if you can find them since they are all performance cores right now rather than P+E of intel 12th gen and beyond. I just don't think there are many enteprise SFF machines like that. (2) What's your recommended DDR5 ram speed right now that still is makes the most sense between 5600MT/s and 7000MT/s? (3) one last intel bummer is the weak igpu vs. AMD.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
Correct on the iGPU, but Dell does not have OptiPlex Micro 1L at this point. So the Intel ones are the most current up to 13th Gen Core. On the DDR5 with these, 4800 is what this class of machine prefers to run at.
@neilquinn
Жыл бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Ya maybe we'll see better options here with meteor lake but it'll be a while until they are affordable used
@kettusnuhveli
10 ай бұрын
I've been seeing alot of confusion about the T-suffix Intel processors. The lower TDP and Boost Clock only really matter when the system is being fully utilized as it won't change your idle powerdraw and that's what I would expect most homelabs to be doing majority of the time.
@shephusted2714
Жыл бұрын
this is not too shabby and the new bar for the micro lab cluster node - the specs alone - gud - that said for 800 bucks you may be able to build something even better with a real case and more options on expandability - this setup does raise the stakes a bit though - 128gb ram and 100g is probaby where you want to go - also you want option for a gpu to do ai open source LLM dev - the problems with bios passwords and licensing exist with these units - you don't have to contend with these issues when you diy - good you went slightly overkill on this component setup - lastly HP is practically going bankrupt - very low confidence in HP and it is warranted - look it up
@himynameisjim92
10 ай бұрын
If yall are looking for storage or a server you could just use an old gaming pc and maybe upgrade it slightly
@mamdouh-Tawadros
Жыл бұрын
I can't argue with the advantage of power consumption and performance of this little node. But at what price. You can buy a single CPU enterprise server wih a tenth of the price, and pay the difference in power consumption. Sound usually delt with placing it away from the living area. But thank you for giving us ideas about the upgradibility of this unit.
@playa124us
Жыл бұрын
Im currently using an elite desk i5 g8, with hypervisor. Thank you for the video, I did not know that you could add another nic by removing the usbs. I currently have usbs to rj 45s. will be upgrading to a 10gbe nic soon
@CEG3RD
Жыл бұрын
How in the world does that fan, with all that hardware, keep from from running wide open all the time? I made the mistake of buying a 65W 800 G3 and installed an i5-7600 and I could hear it from two rooms away when in was downloading a game from Steam. You always talk about the noise and the heat with 65W and boy are you right. Getting rid of it.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
That is why I try to stick to 35W systems :-/
@AmosHayes
Жыл бұрын
Anything out there supporting ECC memory in those 1L form factors? I'm a bit wary of running ZFS without it.
@rfitzgerald2004
Жыл бұрын
Looking at your M.2 10GbE adapter at 9:07 do you know if a SFP+ adapter exists? I'm running fibre everywhere at home and prefer to use SFPs, I see there are a number of 1gig SFP port options available but so far I have not seen a SFP+ unit. I've got a gaming rig in a Kolink Rocket Heavy case but being ITX it only has a single PCIe slot (which I'm using for my GPU), currently I'm using an external Thunderbolt Nic (Qnap) but would much prefer to have something neatly built in
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
No that I have found yet. I understand why you want this (and that QNAP SFP+ Thunderbolt is what I had in my hand at the end there.)
@maybeageek
Жыл бұрын
No matter where I look, I only see weaker 600 G9s (for example with the 12500T) for over 1000$. Never mind 500$ for one with the 12700T...
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
This piece, plus the main site one, sold out the used market within about 72 hrs. Inventory will come back.
@JP-zd8hm
2 ай бұрын
Used enterprise SSDs are a good option for home labs, especially for proxmox ZFS as their write life (even used) typically far exceeds consumer stuff.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
2 ай бұрын
We are going to have a big piece on that in a few weeks
@MrEndzo
Жыл бұрын
What kind of wizardry is that, 48gb memory
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@eullin
Жыл бұрын
Hi, working with I9 13900/13900T?? Thanks
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
There is a newer version with the 13th gens, but we did not have that. Also, to use a non-T SKU you would need the 65W chassis which has different cooling than this 35W one.
@4ida
Жыл бұрын
I wonder about low cost and if possible silent AV1 transcoding / encode server Intel Arc gpu powered
@maddmethod5880
Жыл бұрын
Curious best practices for networking in something like proxmox? if I have a server with a ton of nics, should I connect my LXC containers or VMs to separate physical nics/separate bridges? or is it fine to have literally every container and vm all connected to the same bridge?
@tannenguitar
Жыл бұрын
great project by the way! great idea, you definitely stand out from other youtubers :)
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@terrytippie6101
Жыл бұрын
When I did a search on these devices in mid August 2023 it looks like they had been bid up considerably. At between $800 and $900 USD to start they're not nearly so interesting.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
Give it a little bit of time and the prices will drop. These are still being sold as new so in the next few months many will hit the secondary market. The main site article and this video dried up supply of the G6 devices.
@ralph17p
Жыл бұрын
Interesting video but that elevator music in the background was a bit infuriating.
@MTS_IT
9 ай бұрын
I had g0 as a server for years! this thing just works - probably the only good thing HP ever made!
@aliasname2257
Жыл бұрын
Wait the HP elitedesk is the base device for these upgrades?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
Yes, the Mini 1L one
@StewieCrypto
Жыл бұрын
Am I right in assuming it boots up fine with 98GB of RAM? The specification for this machine says max 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) so curious if you got it to boot or not in that configuration and or what changes did you have to make if any to the BIOS?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
We show it running with 96GB in both Windows and Proxmox VE 8 and described the installation.
@SnoDawg
9 ай бұрын
Damn dude ease up on the coffee. This is not that exciting.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
9 ай бұрын
I record these at 4:30AM before coffee?
@GeneralDon7
Жыл бұрын
So my past experience with these mini PC's is they always seem to thermal throttle at some point, and that was just for normal desktop use. Does anyone have recent experience if this happens if your running multiple VM"s that are using up the cores (Immich ML, Minecraft, etc)?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
I believe we showed the PL transitions in the review video. The 35W TDP CPUs run cool, the 65W ones are more problematic which is why we recommend the 35W models.
@owlmostdead9492
Жыл бұрын
Isn't ZFS a bit shaky as boot fs and that's why it's not really recommended?
@terryjohnson3100
Жыл бұрын
Out-of-Band-ish... ;-) These videos are awesome!
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
Ha! Amazing what stays in the edit.
@eyefly001
Жыл бұрын
I was initially bothered by the fact that he wore gloves to insert the lan port but then had his bare fingers all over the ram contacts, but then I re-watched it and realized it was an inserted video. He hands are all over all the parts. So now it doesn't bother me anymore.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
Bryan does the B-roll with gloves. People would think it was strange if I wore glove for the main talking head shot.
@abavariannormiepleb9470
Жыл бұрын
Any news when 48 GB DDR5 ECC UDIMMs are going to come to the market?
@GuillermoPradoObando
Жыл бұрын
Extra like for using proxmox VE 8
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
Had to re-record that this week because the video was done... Then Proxmox VE 8 was released
@Paul.Reviews
Жыл бұрын
$500 for this base model?! I can't find them anywhere less than double that. The 12500t's, sure... but not the i7 12700t.
@Daniel1987H
Жыл бұрын
I knew VMware sucks and we're all glad that I could convince my colleagues to switch over to PVE. but I had no idea how much it sucked...
@kingneutron1
Жыл бұрын
I find it hilarious that you characterize a 3GB/sec SSD as "slow" - when not all that long ago we had to mirror drives together just to saturate Gig Ethernet!
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
I remember those days. The first article on the STH main site was RAID'ing 10K/15K HDDs. I mean, SSDs have been around for well over a decade at this point so they are a pretty mature technology.
@sking379
5 ай бұрын
This mini PC costs more than an a used enterprise server, makes no sense to me...
@ServeTheHomeVideo
5 ай бұрын
A lot of people would look at it the other way, it may cost more, but if it is smaller, quieter, and uses a fraction of the power (for monthly operating expenses) it makes no sense to buy used enterprise servers. Also, remember any used enterprise server from before Cascade Lake has enormous security holes due to the lack of side channel attach mitigations, which is why they are so cheap.
@sking379
5 ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo True but smaller quieter and less capable is also a fact, plus that setup is not cheap at all, it is very expensive!!! Don't get me wrong I like it but it will not be a wise investment for me!!! I can get a Dell Poweredge R730xd for less money!!!
@BrianThomas
11 ай бұрын
It's really cool, but wicked expensive IMO.
@PeterSteele111
Жыл бұрын
and here I am stuck Running an old Dell R210 with intel celeron dual core and 2 gb ram and 500gb 5400 rpm drive. Feels bad man lmao
@adampatterson
Жыл бұрын
Do these little fellas come with and ARM option?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
The closest would be the Mac Mini
@1w2qqswa
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video and you got a new subscriber. Could you please share how much you paid for the 'elite mini 600 g9'?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
We paid $500-550 for the Elite Mini 600 G9 and Elite Mini 800 G9 when we did the videos a few months ago via eBay. Pricing is higher because about 72 hours after this video was published the used supply dried up. Over time, these come off of lease or hit the secondary market for other reasons so supply goes up.
@davidleeming9842
Жыл бұрын
Would you use this unit or the Minisforum 790 bare bones +that you reviewed in another video for a Proxmox Home Lab Server?
@ServeTheHomeVideo
Жыл бұрын
It depends on if you want 10GbE. If you want 10Gbase-T this is probably the better option. I actually think the Beelink GTR7 might be more interesting than the UM790 since it has dual NICs built-in. Also, this all assumes you can get these at reasonable prices used.
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