People walk free after police find thousands of indecent images of children on computers, yet there’s others doing time for growing cannabis. Psychedelics and cannabis can help in all sorts of ways medically and recreationally with the effects being much less harmful than alcohol. Alas mr Hitchens refuses to accept the findings of Portugal’s 20 year study and increasingly states his case from a position of almost cultish moralist instead of rational pragmatist.
@maralphayer501
3 жыл бұрын
They are addictive and to decriminalize them will only add to the already drug problem that the west has.
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
Most of those criminals and drinkers you speak of probably use cannabis too. Portugal was a failure.
@andrewcroft538
3 жыл бұрын
I think Sodium Pentathol should be Administered to Every serving MP each time they enter the House of Commons..
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
Why do you think that?
@TylerDurdan241
3 жыл бұрын
Andrew, I think you also need to include any 'media appearance' in your proposal
@eckyx9019
3 жыл бұрын
Drugs are bad. Mkay.
@jesusistheonlygodamen3406
3 жыл бұрын
As someone who works with the homeless, I can tell you from their own mouths methadone does not work. Subutex which makes one unwell if heroin is taken is quite effective. And cannabis has caused so many I've supported to become paranoid, have concentration problems, procrastination, and psychosis. Every time I warn them of its effects and every time they continue on and develop these symptoms which weren't present before.
@Raynes79
3 жыл бұрын
Very disappointing narrow mindedness from Peter. You whine endlessly about the nanny state and yet here you are. What happened to sovereignty of ones own body? Here's some advice Peter... If you don't want to take drugs then don't, it's not compulsory.
@josephstalin7389
3 жыл бұрын
And he drinks alcohol. Which DESTROY millions of lives.
@zamiadams4343
3 жыл бұрын
well said my friend.
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
Cannabis removes sovereignty of one's own body when it leads to mental illness. It's not a nanny state just for enforcing the laws which already exist to protect the public. Not to mention it makes people more passive, allowing for more authoritarian control over the doped up, clouded minds. You're being wilfully ignorant of the dangers of cannabis. It doesn't only harm the user when the user becomes a psychopathic killer, or when the loved ones of the user have to nanny them due to their severe mental illness, does it? It's you who is creating the literal nanny state by making the state have to treat more people who develop psychosis, thanks to you promoting cannabis as harmless when it's far from it. Would you not try to stop a stranger from ending their own life by jumping in front of a bus, just because it's their own body? You need to re-examine your personal biases.
@josephstalin7389
3 жыл бұрын
@@HoratioKJV 5 month account??
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
@@josephstalin7389 If alcohol was illegal he wouldn't drink it that's the point. Cannabis also destroys millions of lives.
@talktv
3 жыл бұрын
Should drugs be decriminalised?
@DavidSmith-fs5qj
3 жыл бұрын
No.
@shakk85
3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Back in the 1960s you could get heroin on script from the chemist. It was pure and controlled and the UK didn't have a drug problem. Along came the US forcing prohibition on us and suddenly the black market for drugs was created and along came the drug war that we have today. Anyone that says otherwise is a complete fool.
@H4WK6969
3 жыл бұрын
Free the weed
@johnmcafee9663
3 жыл бұрын
Cannabis should be, im sick of being a criminal
@dexine4723
3 жыл бұрын
Yes. It's a pointless battle when we don't have the resources to bother any more. Regulate, tax, and squeeze out the organised criminals who currently deal in dangerous, unpredictable products.
@flyingjackcarpentry9394
3 жыл бұрын
I know loads of stoners. Yea they're chilled out and dopey when they have plenty of weed but it's the total opposite when they've ran out or can't get. Which can be often as it's an expensive habit. They turn into unbearable temper tantrum toddlers, violently so at times if they can't 'chill out' with a spliff.
@MajorT0m
3 жыл бұрын
Same with alcoholics though and we make plenty of money out of that.
@SagaciousFrank
3 жыл бұрын
@@MajorT0m , that's very true. Except that isn't an argument for legalising more drugs that can screw people up both mentally and physically.
@flyingjackcarpentry9394
3 жыл бұрын
@@SagaciousFrank isn't it? I thought that was the go to argument. Booze is bad so let's legalise weed too. Guess it makes sense if you're stoned.
@Liam-yr4uf
3 жыл бұрын
Careful, you might trigger some stoners with this comment! Totally agree though.
@yourmotherisshameful
Жыл бұрын
@@SagaciousFrank Actually booze is a very good arguments, prohibitionists are just too stupid a people to understand it. The fact that booze has been around for so long and has not caused any world ending problems, and the fact that cannabis is arguable safer than booze means it would be perfectly safe to legalize it. Peter Hitchens is an embarrassment, a down-syndromed version of his brother, and I don't even like Christopher.
@cargumdeu
3 жыл бұрын
Re the purported 'violence' of cannabis users, that doesn't ring true for me. When a Euro finals competition some time ago was divided between games in Holland and games in Belgium, there was no football fan violence in Holland whilst there was in Belgium. What you have though is clever lawyers claiming psychotic episodes are set off by pot. In an already psychotic person.
@cargumdeu
3 жыл бұрын
@Mark Smith comparing like with like, cannabis with alcohol, which do you think does the more damage? Are you also of the opinion that tobacco because it 'ruins lives' should be banned? Motor vehicles put more people in wheelchairs than cannabis. Which do we ban, vehicles or roads?
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
@@cargumdeu Vehicles benefit society much more than they harm. Illegal recreational use of marijuana in no way benefits society. A lot of the road accidents are caused by people high, as well as drunk. Yes, I am all for stricter alcohol laws, and I think it was a mistake to allow widespread tobacco and alcohol use. Why repeat the same mistake by decriminalising marijuana?
@nicksmith3245
3 жыл бұрын
Hitchens, ax ever, is right. There is no actual war on drugs! The idea if legalising substances that do harm - often serious and long term - is insane; criminally insane!
@unicorntomboy9736
3 жыл бұрын
I think pot should be legalized. Causes less deaths than tobacco
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
Whether or not something causes more or less deaths is not the determining factor in legalisation. I could say murder causes more deaths than assault therefore assault should be legal, using your logic. Cannabis causes huge rates of psychosis and violent crime, and is often smoked with tobacco. The actual number of deaths linked to cannabis is tricky to measure it could be even greater than tobacco, we can't be so sure, but legalising it to find out would be extremely foolish.
@unicorntomboy9736
3 жыл бұрын
@@HoratioKJV I once dated someone a couple of years ago who liked having pot brownies
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
@@unicorntomboy9736 Well, would they like to have "pot brownies" if it came with a guaranteed 5 year prison sentence?
@unicorntomboy9736
3 жыл бұрын
@@HoratioKJV That's the issue. Why is someone who occasionally smokes pot treated in the same way as a rapist or child molester in the eyes of the law, when alcohol and tobacco are arguably more harmful. It's only because alcohol is far more socially/culturally acceptable, since it's been consumed in UK society and elsewhere for hundreds or even thousands of years.
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
@@unicorntomboy9736 They're not treated the same, more serious offenses are given longer sentences. Cannabis can and does ruin the minds of children and is used in/causes the most heinous of crimes, including rape. Most the criminals you speak of are probably users that developed psychosis from it.
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
No, we should keep the current laws to protect the public from this dangerous, mind-altering drug. I hear a lot of talk about this being a "nanny state" when it's not just for simply enforcing the current laws which protect people before they lose their minds. A state which has to treat more people for cannabis-induced psychosis is more of a nanny state, especially when they become literally dependent on nannies to function.
@MR-el2ym
3 жыл бұрын
You really should cite some evidence for this psychosis claim... I've responded to you a few times but I'm not sure if they are posting properly... Do you drink alcohol? I'm genuinely curious.
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
@@MR-el2ym I have cited you evidence in a previous comment. Is it really hard to imagine a drug which takes over your mind is linked to psychosis? I drink alcohol occasionally because it's legal. Could you cite evidence cannabis does not cause any mental health problems? You mentioned correlation is not causation, but it's not always not causation.
@MR-el2ym
3 жыл бұрын
@@HoratioKJV It is hard to believe considering the evidence isn't there. You mentioned that the rates of mental illness in Canada had increased between 2006 and 2015, what study is this from? What does it say about cannabis? The language you use is very over the top 'takes over your mind'. Has something happened to you to make you fear cannabis this much?
@boztec7187
3 жыл бұрын
@@HoratioKJV My 45yrs of experience tells me, you're only half right.
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
@@boztec7187 Nice anecdote. My years of experience with not using tells me, you're completely false, if it comes to that.
@25dimensionsfrancis42
3 жыл бұрын
Just put on my radio and was listening to an ex tennis player called Andrew Castle saying that the shooting in Plymouth and the group the killer belonged to was a "white" problem. My first thought was would he say that the knife and gun killings in our cities was a "black" problem NO of course he whould not ...why? He later repeated the same sentence leaving out the word "white" which made me think that the station [which turned out to be L.B.C. ] must have had immediate complaints which was proven when he read out one complaint which mirrored my thoughts which the coward brushed off.
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
The shooter was a drug user he's just another example of why drugs must not be decriminalised.
@niallfraser1420
3 жыл бұрын
What is the point of the host/interviewer here FFS?
@Walsh213
3 жыл бұрын
Hitchens is totally out of touch when it comes to drugs and addiction. The war on drugs doesn't work, never has, and never will. It needs to change, and that starts with people's mindsets. Decriminlise it.
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
@Mark Smith Don't expect dope users to be able to comprehend.
@Jamo-mg6bk
3 жыл бұрын
It’s not endulgement, it’s trying to control the uncontrollable. Addiction is the problem and that needs addressing
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
Peter has addressed "addiction". If the laws are properly enforced you will have less drug users therefore fewer "addicts".
@unicorntomboy9736
3 жыл бұрын
@@HoratioKJV Drugs are a medical issue, not a criminal one
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
@@unicorntomboy9736 Criminal law is concerned with the medical too. Ever heard of medical negligence? Cannabis is illegal under the Misuse of Drugs Act which is overseen by medical experts.
@jesusislord3260
3 жыл бұрын
So tobacco is a dangerous drug because there are so many violent criminals that are long term tobacco smokers.
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
Tobacco is dangerous because it primarily causes cancer. What's your point here?
@jesusislord3260
3 жыл бұрын
@@HoratioKJV He said cannabis makes people aggressive because a lot of the violent acts are carried out by people who are long term cannabis users. But that statement means nothing, as a lot of them would probably also be long term tobacco users, does that mean tobacco is a violent drug? How many of them were under the influence of alcohol?... or hard drugs? The most destructive drug in society is alcohol... hands down.
@jesusislord3260
3 жыл бұрын
@Largesse1000 He said cannabis makes people aggressive because a lot of the violent acts are carried out by people who are long term cannabis users. But that statement means nothing, as a lot of them would probably also be long term tobacco users, does that mean tobacco is a violent drug? How many of them were under the influence of alcohol?... or hard drugs? The most destructive drug in society is alcohol... hands down.
@michaelayling8855
3 жыл бұрын
He's talking twaddle.
@johnmcafee9663
3 жыл бұрын
i think hitchens is desperatly looking to preserve at least 1 thing from the past while everyone else has let go
@maralphayer501
3 жыл бұрын
And what are you looking for ??More drug addicts on the streets ?/
@johnmcafee9663
3 жыл бұрын
when you go about life looking so miserable surely its because of a lost fogotten time ?
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnmcafee9663 Said the one who needs dope to enjoy life...
@johnmcafee9663
3 жыл бұрын
@@HoratioKJV its much better than needing alcohol, we should probably ban that too, its harmful to mental health, heart, liver, major cause of violence. list goes on
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnmcafee9663 Most cannabis users drink alcohol too. Yes, we should restrict alcohol consumption, what's your point?
@josefk7242
3 жыл бұрын
Hello Mr. Gump - My mama says 'Life was a box of doobies......
@Andrew-ri5qo
3 жыл бұрын
Prohibition has failed.
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
Because it's not been properly enforced.
@DIBBY40
3 жыл бұрын
Have the drink driving laws "failed", because there are people who still drive while under the influence of alcohol? Using your logic we should decriminalise drink driving as prohibition hasn't worked. Or is the law a standard by which we judge society?
@Andrew-ri5qo
3 жыл бұрын
@@HoratioKJV They can't even keep drugs out of prison.
@Andrew-ri5qo
3 жыл бұрын
@@DIBBY40 To make it clearer for you. The Prohibition of drugs has failed.
@DIBBY40
3 жыл бұрын
@@Andrew-ri5qo Yes. I get that you think that.
@bensherman259
3 жыл бұрын
No
@boztec7187
3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@jgnasher7048
3 жыл бұрын
Yes...
@rsvbiker4149
3 жыл бұрын
He's so out of touch because he's on the gravy train for 💸💸💸 and let's be honest he's 69 years old why would you even consider taking advice of a nation from someone who won't be part of it in 10 years 🙄
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
Can someone who is older not be wiser?
@JasonX2
3 жыл бұрын
He could easily live another 20 years
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
Should we remove all laws, and stop teaching all knowledge created by dead people, then?
@Ruda-n4h
3 жыл бұрын
He might be part of it and that doesn't make his argument wrong.
@athelstan927
3 жыл бұрын
Who is out of touch?
@peterdixon7734
3 жыл бұрын
Complains about dangerous drugs but injects untested vaccines all day long.
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
If they were illegal he wouldn't be that's the point.
@peterdixon7734
3 жыл бұрын
@@HoratioKJV Is that all that holds him back from psychedelic excess?
@HoratioKJV
3 жыл бұрын
@@peterdixon7734 No, but for many people, yes.
@peterdixon7734
3 жыл бұрын
@@HoratioKJV Surely the majority of people are not alcoholics or hideously obese (even if there has been some slippage because of the lockdown, with formerly hot female neighbours now staggering along the street and weighing in at about 18 stone)? Most people have self-control in my experience. A couple of things come to mind: the most potent psychedelic drugs, natural and otherwise (which I will not name here) are not even illegal. In addition, the need for that semi-spiritual experience is never going away, and they will always find something. There was a crackdown in the 1980s, and kids started sniffing glue (!) as an alternative. One TV doctor made the mistake of asking a teenager, on live TV, why he sniffed glue, and he replied: "You get these wondrous visions: it's like being on another planet". As far as cannabis is concerned, that used to be very mild, but in the late 1990s a very powerful (indeed, absurdly powerful) variety called skunk appeared. It made its debut in Cornwall and Wiltshire (obviously) but spread across the country. It would not surprise me if long-term daily use of this could cause mental illness, but it has to be said that they were trying to pull the same argument back in the day, when milder versions prevailed.
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