honestly i'd love another musical about erik and raoul reluctantly learning to be co-parents to gustave
@captaincrunch784
Жыл бұрын
POTO cinematic universe
@ryanb4940
Жыл бұрын
And ending up finding love again… in each other.. 🥹
@gaiusjuliuscaesar8450
Жыл бұрын
Phantom is about to punjab lasso one of Gustave's teachers for being mean to him and Raoul goes "ERIK, NO"
@alexandersean4708
Жыл бұрын
Phantom 3: The wild and wacky world of raising a 10 year old with your arch nemesis. Also it’s an anime now, don’t question it, it’s the only medium where we could get away with a title this long.
@callumjohnston858
Жыл бұрын
"Erik, who the hell is this?" "Oh, this is the Persian dude that saved my life a couple times. He'll be crashing here for a while."
@theatregirlmadiblake
2 жыл бұрын
I firmly believe that this is Andrew Lloyd Webbers delayed emotional dumping of all of his angst after his divorce from Sarah Brightman. Man wrote the part of Christine FOR HER, it was inevitable he’d have baggage after their relationship went south.
@evieblue959
2 жыл бұрын
I think that you're right, and that's also shown a bit in how much more sympathetic the portrayal of Phantom became over time. Crawford to Karimloo is quite the evolution.
@chanteuse-ro3kf
2 жыл бұрын
I think you're right.
@captaincrunch784
Жыл бұрын
I thought you wrote emotional humping LOL
@CindersSpot
Жыл бұрын
He started writing this in the year after her divorce (which was then turned into a book, Phantom of Manhattan) and it just wasn't fully realised as a musical until 2011. So I think you're onto something.
@chanteuse-ro3kf
Жыл бұрын
@@CindersSpot I think you are right.
@cherry-cj9iq
2 жыл бұрын
Just give the Phantom some years alone, the chance to maybe open his own opera house in America, veeeeery far from France, and to start working in management and songwriting behind the scenes. Mysterious opera man. Christine (with morally dubious Raoul turning out the way he does) is very aware of the music scene in Europe, but she only gets whispers of this guy after a while… and she wonders if, just maybe, it might be *him*… HER seeking him out, HER trying to get in contact with him, her trying to see him again. Hell, let them not even have the immediate push on romance! The Phantom still loves her, there's still a lot of care from Christine, but at first it's just an attempt to mend their relationship into some sort of partnership, a friendship, and then it grows. 'tis my proposal for non-threaten, non-Coney Island LND
@bluestarthestar
Жыл бұрын
What's so hard to wrap my head around is the fact that the Phantom threatens her son and Christine (after her first reaction) is basically okay with that??? How do you still love him after that?? Like, yes, he regrets it later, but only after he learns that's HIS son. If someone threatened MY kid, that's an instant deal-breaker, goodbye, my man
@juliyaavidor3965
Жыл бұрын
POTO : the phantom freaks out and has a major melt down when a grown woman sees his face LND also the phantom - willingly takes his mask off in front of a 10 year old and gets offended by him freaking out....
@dar-nakkallig
Жыл бұрын
Hey, look at that character growth through those 10 long years... Lol
@carolynstine3465
2 ай бұрын
Poorly written at that point.
@Claire-bz8mq
Жыл бұрын
I have a much more favorable view of Raoul than you(I understand why some aren’t a fan but his moments in the finale lair always get me) and all I’m saying is if my spouse was still thirsting after the man who tried to kill me maybe I would also start drinking but also there are so many little things that get me, like I know Gustave is supposed to be the phantom’s kid because plot but are we just gonna act like there was no musical talent on Christine’s side of the family???
@heyzeereey
Жыл бұрын
I know music rans in Christine’s family because hell, her dad’s a famous violinist but Gustave’s a genius in music like Erik. He composes music through his head like Erik does. He sees the world differently like Erik does. He sees “darkness” as beautiful like Erik also sooo🤷♀️ Not to mention “He’s 10 years old” And to add, i’ve read a comment that Christine’s already carrying Gustave that’s why she married Raoul to avoid gossip. (I know, it sounds awful because it’s as if they made Christine just using Raoul😂)
@baalgodofrain
Жыл бұрын
Charlotta should've been the villain considering how Christine took her limelight and Eric killing her husband, I would be a bad guy too!!!!!!!
@Sarah-zr1nj
2 ай бұрын
Good point. Would have made a lot more sense than Meg shooting her 🫤
@sweaterweatherlady
2 жыл бұрын
I would live to have a proper sequel where Erik and Raoul had no choice BUT to team up and rescue Christine from an unfortunate circumstance. Can anyone recommend anything?
@juliyaavidor3965
Жыл бұрын
A solo for the living. An AMAZING fanfic
@leximarie9826
4 ай бұрын
Yes! Love that! Maybe where the shar of Persia comes back trying to hurt the phantom again cause he finds out he is alive and used Christine as bait to get him to come…
@debayeuxchats5607
Жыл бұрын
I'm just so _tired_ of morally grey Raoul. Why can't he actually be, I dunno, a good man who's had time to grow and mature even more? Phantom is a monster, which is 1) why so many people find him intriguing and 2) why the ending is so impactful. A POTO sequel shouldn't be "oh and actually the good guy's a bad guy and the monster's actually a fine choice." If you want a sequel, I think something where the characters _think_ Phantom's done something, but he's innocent, is fine. Perhaps Christine's child goes missing, and they think the Phantom killed/stole him, but it was actually a third party- Phantom escapes and tries to find him to prove his innocence, Raoul tries to find him because it's their kid, Christine is under threat and must perform? There, we've got drama.
@debayeuxchats5607
Жыл бұрын
I completely forgot I left this, put a fairly similar comment on the OG POTO video, came back and. Apparently I haven't changed in a day.
@cthefish
11 ай бұрын
100% agree!!
@Dreigonix
6 ай бұрын
So true. Let Raoul just be a good guy!
@C_Holloway
6 ай бұрын
Lol'd at the idea of Weber's cat "accidentally" deleting the original score for Phantom Never Dies from his electronic piano. I'm guessing the cat was trying to tell him not to do it? ;)
@maggieaishalee3829
Жыл бұрын
I hate how this musicals ruined Christine, Erik and Raoul. I have to admit that even for me Erik was more interesting than Raoul, at least in the musical Raoul offered Christine her freedom, love, peace. Erik during the play stalked her, murder people, theatrened to kill her boyfriend and many others, kidnapped her and almost forced her to marry him. I know he is a tragic character but his final alone with Christine free and with Roul the one who actually she loves was perfect it goes with the "when you love someone, let it go, you want that person happy even if it's not with you". Looks more like a AlW fanfic with Sarah
@kiyoung
11 ай бұрын
his cat should have tried harder 😭
@wittyblonde6728
6 ай бұрын
EXACTLY!! 😭😭
@irinakermong1217
Жыл бұрын
I've seen so many reviews and commentaries about Love Never Dies, but honestly, I don't think I've ever seen anyone cry at the end because of how horrible Christine's life has been. I've seen a lot of people cry because their Phantom/Christine dreams didn't come true, but you're right. It's an awful ending, because Christine never gets to break free of the cycle of tragedies that is her life.
@ArrowOdenn
Жыл бұрын
I've been lucky enough to see Ramin Karimloo as The Phantom in Love Never Dies twice in London (2010 and 2011) and Ben Lewis as The Phantom in 2018. Ben Lewis was very powerful in the role.
@LingLing_Wannabe
Жыл бұрын
Ohh my gosh I would LOVE to see Ramin live 💕 He’s absolutely amazing
@unkn0wnhuman
11 ай бұрын
Ben Lewis and ramin are both AMAZING phantom I saw ramin 3 day ago in Milan and this was gorgeous !? I also Inlove with Ben voice and performance in lnd ❤
@coopercreationz
2 жыл бұрын
Hello, first off, I am here after your phantom video, and I loved both that one and this. I feel like we are kindred phantom spirits. I know I'm here late, but. I thought I'd share a thought I have had for many years. In the song, Before the performance, Christine sings to Gustave, "Once this performance is through, we'll spend some time just us two. Won't that be fun?" In my opinion, after her performance, Christine was going to leave Raoul and Erik (the phantom) behind to raise Gustave on her own. I think an easy fix to make the musical better would be for Christine to pick her son and herself over the two troublesome men in her life and leave. She never sings love never dies, she never sees Raoul or Erik again, and she doesn't die for something that wasn't her problem. It would still be a sad ending, but it's sad because the two men she loved couldn't grow up and put her first above their own wants. Ultimately though, it's a better ending than what we got.
@ColeAndPhoebeForever
Жыл бұрын
Awesome! I love your ending, because people were ticked that Christine dies, including me. Maybe she, Erik, and Gustave will reunite in Heaven? Then all three of them will be "Angels of Music," haha!
@PurpleBiscuit
Жыл бұрын
The ammount of hate you give to Meg after how much you praise Carlota in Phantom is a weird feeling to me. She's the same as Carlota in this show. She's worked, and sacrificed a lot about herself. She's not the same young sweet girl we saw in phantom, she's seen a cruel world and she stands it because she has music to sing, only to be broken down by a man that was only using her and end up killing her childhood friend in accident after trying to commit suicide. I honestly think she's the only good character development to come out of this show
@GingerKraut
Жыл бұрын
Ramin's performance in that video actually made me (temporarily) forget about Michael Crawford's Phantom.
@beneddiected
Жыл бұрын
Trust me if you watch the Ramin version you wouldn't give a crap about how terrible everything is because all you focus on is him XD
@LingLing_Wannabe
Жыл бұрын
I fully agree, he’s absolutely amazing - perfection 👌❤
@catdragon2584
7 ай бұрын
I dunno, the awful writing is pretty hard to ignore…
@carrastealth
11 ай бұрын
Aside from the character assassination of Christine and Raoul in this story. Here's the reality. Christine has nothing to "love" about the Phantom. Why? Because she never knew The Phantom, she never knew Erik. Anything she respected or could have 'loved' was based upon a lie, and tied to the fact she felt he was an angel sent by her father, or some kind of representation of him. The ONLY thing she knew of Erik was that he was murderous psychopath that lied to her whilst pretending to be something he wasn't. Erik "letting them go" doesn't tell Christine anything about him other than he was a murderous psychopath that let them go. That's it. Their entire history to that point had been based upon lies. She doesn't know diddly squat about Erik, so there's nothing for her to grasp onto that's true aside from "Well at least he didn't kill me and my fiance." Even if you want to go with "But Music of the Night is so sexy..." that is still Erik pretending to be the representation of her teacher and father. So Erik is still wearing the mask he hopes entices Christine rather than actually being himself. So in reality, Christine doesn't know squat about Erik, she never got to know "Erik", just who he was pretending to be in order to try to nab her. There is *nothing* to love, when everything is a lie. Having her "get with" him, or even "choose" him is the kind of story telling that has convinced men like him that one thousand "No"s are eventually a "Yes" in disguise. So the idea that she'd even want to be with him stems from nothing more than one incel writing a story where the other incel is desirable and "wins" because he felt angsty over the fact he cheated on his wife with a younger woman and left her, and that years later she didn't want him back. So he decided to destroy the character he created for her because he couldn't destroy her. There's nothing to 'support' or 'ship' here. It stems from one person's desire to destroy the image of their wife that didn't want them back because they were the ones that cheated, broke her heart and left her in the first place.
@Dreigonix
8 ай бұрын
THIS. I respect ALW as an artist, but as a person? He’s not a tragic, misunderstood monster like the Phantom he uses as his self-insert- he’s _just_ a monster.
@astridmartinez2022
11 ай бұрын
This would have done better as a stand alone rather than a sequel
@mysterykiddo2167
2 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@tusiasalvador5848
Жыл бұрын
Read the book that Love Never Dies is based on. It’s ‘the phantom on Manhattan’ if I remember correctly. He started as an architect actually.
@LingLing_Wannabe
Жыл бұрын
As flat-out weird as the plot is, I do think that the cast recording with Ramin and Sierra was really good. At least their songs specifically were. Nothing will top Ramin’s phantom for me 🫶
@CAJUNAFOL
Жыл бұрын
I found the “Coney Island” setting weird but I honestly didn’t hate it but I think it would have been better if Ramin and Sierra could have been in it.
@akemimediapr8616
2 ай бұрын
Karimloo and Boggess were in the original West End cast of LOVE NEVER DIES. Creepy trivia: Instead of a painting of Christine, in the original production, the Phantom had another Christine doll....there is a bootleg of the original production on KZitem; it's something to see the creepy Christine doll.
@lexidillon3986
2 жыл бұрын
Ok so brainstorming. Phantom builds all these small chapels and eventually gets commissioned to create this concert hall in New York. (Still in New York just not Coney Island). Christine is asked to perform there (famous opera singer and all) but Raoul is hesitant about her going but since they need the money they decide to bring the whole family from Paris on a sort of vacation. She hears rumors in New York City about the mysterious architect that nobody has seen before. He is commissioned for a building and leaves blueprints (in excruciating detail) in the home of the commissioner. Madame Giry delivers these for him and in return he organizes for Meg to be the star playing in the theatres that he has built. Of course Meg would be self conscious that she’s not actually earning her place. When Christine arrives, she freaks out and keeps trying to do bigger and bigger acts. Christine is backstage touring the concert hall/ theatre she will be performing in and her son finds a sort of secret passage reminiscent of the ones she had been through in the old Paris opera house. He has found that a mirror opens up into a hallway. He runs in and turns a couple corners before he finds phantom. Christine soon notices that her son isn’t in the room and calls out for him. He’s not responding but she finds the mirror not to be flat against the wall she opens it up and follows to find her son running back to her crying. He explains how he saw a man with a deformed face and the story picks up from there. Anyway there’s an option of another way to get people there.
@vV_Strixhaven_Sophmore_Vv
2 ай бұрын
This is an amazing take!! Meg doing the opening numbers and Eric writing these half hearted scores because he's given up on music fits into this seamlessly!
@DerekMckean
Жыл бұрын
Andrew Lloyd Webber originally said it wasn't a sequel but then later said it was. However, unlike The Phantom of The Opera which is based on Gaston Leroux's novel, Love Never Dies is based on a book called The Phantom of Manhattan. It's not by Gaston Leroux. Hence, Love Never Dies basically happens on a different tineline that does not coincide with the original Phantom of The Opera musical. So it is a sequel to Phantom in the sense it's his follow up, but it's not a sequel since it is based on The Phantom of Manhattan. These are different characters altogether.
@breilamccauley8621
5 ай бұрын
I actually love beneath a moonless sky as long as I try to forget it’s about Christine and erik😂
@alyssabargas3884
Жыл бұрын
“mY liTtlE brAINwoRMs WanNa pLAY a diDDy” i choked
@AeonAxisProductions
8 ай бұрын
A couple things 1 ben and anna were perfectly cast imo, they are both kind of what i would expect an older christine/phantom would be 2 the phantom doing vaudeville style stuff actually makes sense, think of it in modern terms, the phantom loves like extreme progressive metal which most people dont understand or like, but to make a living he makes radio rock/pop songs that are uninspired and unoriginal, and he finally gets the chance to do his passion again once christine comes to america
@eristineforever6934
Жыл бұрын
One of Meg’s back up dancers played Christine in Andrew Lloyd Webber’s The Phantom of the Opera - Claire Lyon.
@saraiish
Жыл бұрын
Love never dies makes 0 sence to me as a logical progression to the original
@genesmiley9866
Жыл бұрын
Someone who thought this was superior to the original Phantom gifted me this Blu-ray- I bailed when the rock song "Beauty Underneath" began. I have never sat through the whole thing.
@antichristuwu
Жыл бұрын
my favorite lil thing is in the stage production with the original cast was erik shows up for devil takes the hindmost without his mask
@antichristuwu
Жыл бұрын
you gotta watch the london “”slime tutorial””
@arkieologist
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. You're entertaining, your editing is great. Keep it up.
@LaurenPaigeSQL
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Arkieologist! I've been watching a lot of Premiere tutorials 😝
@alexandersean4708
Жыл бұрын
I have an idea on how to fix this show! So, at the start, 2 ushers dressed as soldiers stand at each door and fake pat down the audience members, but otherwise it’s all the same until the very end, where Christine and Erik successfully talk down Meg, and go to the balcony to celebrate. They decide to sleep together again, and sing Point of No Return from the original, but it ends with Christine unmasking Erik, and the soldiers charge down towards the stage as a bunch of pyrotechnics go off, Erik drags Christine offstage, and then a curtain comes down that says “Don Juan Triumphant” with an actor coming out and placing a little sign that says “Please Stand By.”
@kamillebautista436
2 жыл бұрын
Finally! Thank you so much. I've been waiting for this and I'm extremely satisfied with it. Compared to POTO, LND is way far below. It didn't have the same magic, thrill, and emotions that the original gave me. I was even bored at some point in the middle of the story, something that never happens whenever I watch POTO even though I've already watched it for a millionth time. The only thing I like about this musical is "Till I Hear You Sing", and the fact that Ramin and Sierra was the original cast. Oh, and fun fact, I found out somewhere from an interview that Ramin and Sierra was supposed to do this DVD version, but they refused. And that's how we got Ben Lewis and Anna O'Byrne. Even though this musical sucks, I would love to see those two play these roles in this production. Maybe I would've enjoyed it a bit better. I must confess, I like Ben's voice, but for me, his acting was kinda disappointing and seemed fake. I didn't feel any connection with his phantom, unlike Ramin. Gosh, phantom's a murderer and manipulative for heaven's sake, but Ramin managed to make me sympathize for him. He just makes me feel things, you know. I've heard his version of Til I Hear You Sing and my heart clenches every single time. He's just too good. I've seen bootlegs of him and Sierra on this show and they were, as always, phenomenal, especially in the ending scene. (Ramin screaming "No!" when Christine died was heartbreaking!) Anyway, I've talked long enough. Thank you once again and I look forward to your future musical commentaries. I would love to see you react on one of my favourite musicals "Come From Away". It has a live broadway recording version. Take care and stay safe!
@LaurenPaigeSQL
2 жыл бұрын
Oh that makes me so happy you liked it after such a long wait! 😃 Honestly, if that's true about Ramin and Sierra backing out of the DVD...I get it haha I haven't seen the bootlegs, but even the photos from their production seem better - this DVD version seems rushed, you know? VERY interesting you mention Come From Away - my parents just saw it in Ohio and gave it rave reviews. I haven't seen it so that may be a great one to try! Thanks for the recommendations Kamille! 😃
@CAJUNAFOL
Жыл бұрын
I saw an interview they both did and sierra basically said they didn’t do it because the needed a break.
@LingLing_Wannabe
Жыл бұрын
I toootally agree about Ramin and Sierra! Ramin makes me feel things no other phantom possibly could, it’s like he was literally born for the role of Phantom because he is IMPECCABLE 💕
@Rx6666
11 ай бұрын
God.... you Ramin/Sierra stans are so pathetic. They didn't "refuse" anything. It's the Australian production so they used the Australian cast. Jeeeeeeeezussssss......
@emmamccreary1261
6 ай бұрын
I am a fan of the original cast of this show with Sierra Boggess and Ramin Karimloo as Christine and the Phantom. BUT I HATE THIS CAST SO MUCH!!! I'm looking at you Ben Lewis
@eristineforever6934
2 жыл бұрын
I completely and utterly LOVE Love Never Dies. In some ways I love it more than Phantom of the Opera. I watch it all the time and sing Christine’s lines from it all the time. There are only a couple of things I don’t like about it, though.
@jackdonohue7893
Жыл бұрын
The music is great, the story is absolutely trash.
@ginchan9677
Жыл бұрын
Its like the tragic ending was just thrown to the trash with the way the Phantom forces himself to Christine...
@sophiamcl
Жыл бұрын
From what I understand, the show went through quite a few changes in the early stages, and suffered from from being quite saggy. An early review was titled: "Paint Never Dries." (So clever!)
@christiescorner8472
Жыл бұрын
I’m late to the comments, but I literally just found out this week that there was a POTO sequel. How did I not know?! I played Christine in college! Of course, I was in college pre-25th anniversary, if that shows my age. Anyway, I’ve got to agree that Love Never Dies is a dumpster fire that negates all prior character development for everyone. Erik can’t catch a doggone break in life. At least give the man a happy ending this time. Sheesh. Anyway, if you love POTO, go check out ‘Another Voice’ fanfic by Jadeite. It’s not the typical Christine x Erik ship, and I adore the mature take on it, putting him in modern times with his traumas. Daroga is a main character, and Carlotta is another main. Since you love Carlotta, please give it a Google. No, it’s not mine, and I don’t know the author at all. I just know how to appreciate a genuinely good sequel, and ‘Another Voice’ is really the sequel that should have been.
@clown-cult96
Жыл бұрын
Plot twist where this and the OG are flashback stories teen Gustav is being told by his two gay dads, Raoul and Erik, after asking how they met.
@eristineforever6934
Жыл бұрын
You should watch the original London production of Love Never Dies. In it, you do get to see the Phantom’s face.
@mikekaraoke
Жыл бұрын
I never got this sequel, also why did Erik wear same mask when he was with Christine as she knows what he fully looks like now without the mask lol + the ending just why? + yeah the plot does contradict itself with what happened in the original! You say play but Phantom is a musical, and yeah where was his really deformed lip
@hubert6260
10 ай бұрын
I'm going to see this in Theatre tonight!!!!!! so excited
@emmadumais2337
2 жыл бұрын
I love to see a fellow Ramin Karimloo fan!
@LingLing_Wannabe
Жыл бұрын
YESSSS Ramin is like one of my favorite people now - especially after watching his skittle muffins vlog 😂🫶
@vanchella1
Жыл бұрын
Your Phantom-becomes-an-architect story is 10x better than this nonsense. But I will say: Love Never Dies is THE BEST movie/musical to gather your friends around and have a few too many... It becomes the funniest thing you will ever see. And for that, I appreciate its existence. :) Love your content, can't wait to check out more!
@desicpr00
Жыл бұрын
Without fail at the end of either watching Phantom the movie or musical version Im heartbroken for Erik. I cry ugly tears and that fan fiction starts playing around in my head of how Christine and Phantom could have made it work. I was so hopeful about the sequel to have satisfy the love story that should have been between them. Your synopsis on this dumpster fire of a sequel was totally correct. I hated every second of it. Maybe someday someone will try again and get it right.
@eristineforever6934
Жыл бұрын
Am I actually the only phan who loves Love Never Dies? Please tell me I’m not. Please.
@LingLing_Wannabe
Жыл бұрын
I love love love POTO but I have mixed feelings about Love Never Dies… I think the plot’s really not great, it could definitely have been put together better, but I do love some of the music, specifically Til I Hear You Sing and the orchestral music. But I will say - it’s hard for me to listen to anyone but Ramin and Sierra play the Phantom and Christine because I love the way they do it sooo much and they have the greatest chemistry
@eristineforever6934
Жыл бұрын
@@LingLing_Wannabe I love Ramin Karimloo and Sierra Boggess so much. They are my favorite Phantom/Christine and my favorite stage actors. In fact, they are the reason I got into and watched Love Never Dies in the first place. They are also the reason why I love the stage version of the musical Phantom of the Opera. You’re probably going to hate me and be disgusted by my next comment but I also completely and utterly ship Ramin/Sierra as a couple that should be together. I know he is married and has kids but I can’t help it. Their chemistry is so amazing, beautiful, powerful, etc… that I can’t help but think what if and want them to be a couple so bad. There are so many things about them that make me wish they were a couple. I can’t think of them all but the way they look at each other, the way he has his hand on her, him kissing her hand, etc… it’s also what they do after the curtain call for the 25th Anniversary of Phantom of the Opera. That’s what did it for me. That’s what made me ship them always and forever. I was smiling, fan girling, squealing like a little girl, and then said, ‘Alright. That’s it. I don’t care what anyone says. I don’t care if it’s wrong or not. They need to be a couple. How can they not with how much chemistry they have? The things they do and say, the way they look at each other, and so on and so forth?’
@mohikaner2004
Жыл бұрын
You are not alone, l like Love Never Dies very much and Ben Lewis and Anne O'Bryen.
@eristineforever6934
Жыл бұрын
@@mohikaner2004 Thank you so much. That makes me so happy to hear. Just so you know, though, it’s Anna O’Byrne. Not Anne O’Bryen.😉
@titaniascarletknight
Жыл бұрын
I like it a lot, as an Aussie I'm especially proud of this version. The story has issues (every story does) But the music and staging are beautiful. Tbh, I think people would rather throw negativity out into the world because it's easier.
@scruffy0928
2 жыл бұрын
I love the music so much. I love parts of the Australian version. But I hate the acting, especially the stare of Ben. And the London ending was so more satisfying. Coney Island was a real place and was a sensation at that time. And it made sense the Phantom would escape to America.
@emmamccreary1261
6 ай бұрын
But ya for us Raoul haters
@SurinaSlackArt
2 жыл бұрын
Holy smokes, what, did this go up while I was watching the previous Phantom video??? I'm looking forward to this, I really enjoyed your commentary on POTO.
@LaurenPaigeSQL
2 жыл бұрын
You must have - I JUST uploaded 😝 Perfect timing, thanks so much! 💖
@SurinaSlackArt
2 жыл бұрын
@@LaurenPaigeSQL haha that was so great. I loved your reimagining of the story. Also I cracked tf up at that "hello" at 25:21 😂😂
@LeahMay.P
Ай бұрын
“No one knows who he is he just showed up to band practice with his electric guitar” no that’s operetta.
@robwilliamson5082
Жыл бұрын
“Till I hear you sing” is the best thing musically in the show and it’s the first thing you hear. Maybe other number would have been better if the best song wasn’t the first song. Also ALW hating his singers. Making people sing high does not a good song make. Till I hear you sing and Love Never Dies. High notes for the sake of having high notes. Till I hear you sing is better than the title song but still it’s at the top of the register just cause.
@JensDean23
8 ай бұрын
I kinda think the recorded version is kinda.. Meh. But the version with Ramin and Sierra... oh my. the songs vere really tailormade for them.
@hothotheat3000
6 ай бұрын
I cannot picture Phantom actually being with a woman. I just don’t think the poor bastard would know what to do🤣. Like, he knows the mechanics, but he’s so awkward and twitchy around her that I doubt he’d be able to go through with it.
@MineKurtMininer
5 ай бұрын
If Meg Gerry was talking about prostitution i would feel bad for her, who knew the theater world was so cutthroat.....when will Broadway learn
@mathildehb0076
5 ай бұрын
Madame Giry did in fact meet Phantom as a younger woman herself, feeling pity for him and giving him shelter. It makes completely sense that she is supporting the phantom and suddenly hates Christine. She has spent so much time with The Phantom and heard him talk shit about her for ten years, so what am I to expect from her?
@imogencory9591
2 жыл бұрын
I adore POTO so much and this just slanders it’s name in every way possible. Please can someone explain to me how Christine’s son can possibly be Erick’s child.
@johnpexton3614
Жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly he actually did both in the sequel book he ran an architectural firm, the Manhattan opera house and he never did the circus theme of Coney Island. Yes he designed ride elements for the island but it was more about the Manhattan opera house than coney island. In the book he was more in lines of dueling divas the phantom got Christine to perform and the other opera house had someone else. It also explained that Raul could never have children and that he got Christine pregnant. Meg was reduced to a nurse made to the young child because she damaged her leg beyond any chance of dancing again. Madame Giri was on her death bed before the story starts and there was a more evil character that didn’t care what he did to survive. It actually pushed the story along better than the stage adaptation to be honest.
@far9202
6 ай бұрын
bro even the poster of LND looks cheaper than the phantom of the operas
@Mia-sr1mz
10 ай бұрын
Here's a funny thing, Fantasma means Ghost, aka Phantom. So yeah, he literally named it after his nickname
@kayumisoshi9281
Жыл бұрын
Your musical commentaries were so pleasant. I’m happy to stumble upon them. If you ever return to these, know they are fantastic quality! 🎉
@franniea
10 ай бұрын
Excellent sequel I liked it
@captaincrunch784
Жыл бұрын
I'm progressively getting drunker as this night goes on and this review is glorious.
@annaskellington1
Жыл бұрын
I'm absolutely dying with your commentaries, both this one and the phantom's omg, you're hilarious sometimes it's genius! You've earned a new subscriber, can't wait to binge your videos!!
@nigelmenard4967
Жыл бұрын
I never get emotional but end of Phantom 25th Ramins Performance is amazing and in LND he fights for her and finally gets her and just like that she's taken away from him. But she still lives on through her son. The ending was almost changed to the Phantom dying. I think Christine's passing is more meaningful.
@thebabadamook
Жыл бұрын
she only went back for a night and he left her before she woke up anyways so it doesn't really tarnish the purpose oh the OG phantom
@lott1e
Жыл бұрын
Idk why but I just love lnd for some reason IDK WHYYYY
@dane4073
Жыл бұрын
The architecture idea would be amazing. We can keep till I hear you sing. We can keep the afair out of it. But the phantom just wants to hear her sing one more time.
@Morrisseys7thFriend
3 ай бұрын
I actually don't mind the Coney Island thing. The idea that the only job Erik could find in America was as a side show freak and then using his genius to take it over and make it his empire doesn't seem too far fetched. I like the dynamic because it taking place in another fancy opera house is just recycling the previous setting and it would be kind of boring IMHO. That being said, I really want to be able to wrap my head around Christine deciding that him killing people wasn't that bad and having a good reason for seeking him out, but I can't. I like to think that, yeah, he set her free to find her happiness, but then later knowing that she was choosing him, it became impossible to forget her and completely let her go. Maybe he still tried to, but then he learned that Raoul became an abusive asshole and decided he needed to "save" her, I guess. I dunno. But it still begs the question. WHY DID SHE SUDDENLY CHANGE HER MIND? Please someone make it make sense, cause I really want it to.
@carolynstine3465
2 ай бұрын
Coney Island was a huge draw in those days! I thought Meg and Madam Giery were great. But their parts were poorly written except for Meg’s song was beautiful!
@kaylaanderson5505
4 ай бұрын
This show only ever embodies 3 words to me. Garish. Gaudy. Gauche.
@amarijae
4 ай бұрын
Wait WHAT? Cats makes you want to gouge your eyes out?! The 1998 film is sooooo goooood omg. I grew up watching that on repeat and I still love it so much. What they’ve done in the modern version makes me want to hurl, and that’s just from seeing the trailer. I refuse to see that hot garbage.
@RangerA52
5 ай бұрын
The original versions of the musical didn't have the post-performance kiss between the Phantom and Christine in the dressing room, just at the end when she dies. The kiss was a blocking change for the Australian version. Also... Please tell me that you've seen the bootleg versions of the original West End cast with Ramin and Sierra? The Aussie version makes me crack up so badly! The original I can at least get through without dying every 5 minutes! But I do still enjoy it 🙂
@elphbwckd212
4 ай бұрын
She's critiquing the acting as if it was ever meant to be filmed in close up. It was filmed live... They are acting for the back row, and this played in a massive theater, so while it seems exaggerated on film in close up shots, it's actually perfect for stage and theatre... Which this is. Disregard all of her acting notes. She is not correct.
@amarijae
4 ай бұрын
I’m with you. I love this musical in general… but the setting is horrible, and the fact that Erik manipulates her into loving him by threatening their son is just not it. I adore what they did with Raoul’s character because it makes sense to me. But not much else about the play makes sense unfortunately. It could have been a banger, and a lot of the music is really wonderful but ughhh
@Ofgamingandslay
3 ай бұрын
“My little brain worms wanna play a diddy” I’m gonna start saying that whenever i have a song stuck in my head, lol
@PhilandSofia
7 ай бұрын
Musical know-alls really ruin a perfectly fine show for us simple enjoyers huh?
@breilamccauley8621
5 ай бұрын
The music slaps, but the plot makes me physically ILL😢
@Morrisseys7thFriend
3 ай бұрын
"Now Raoul, you have to live in sewer world!" Had me on the floor 😂😂😂
@jojow.877
4 ай бұрын
God I remember seeing Love Never Dies and hating every second 😭
@felixthecat2786
Жыл бұрын
Law of Diminishing Returns. Every time something is repeated it must be different. They use the same words too much in Beneath the Moonlit Sky and none of them are poetic, subtle, or indirect. There are only so many times one can hear the word "touch" before it loses its value. In Music of the Night they use it once towards the end of the song and they build up to that word. They earn the word touch in Music of the Night, whereas Beneath the Moonlight sky starts off with it and beats us over the head with it. It just comes across as softcore porn or possibly something akin to a 14 year old's fanfic. It's also a song that makes no sense. Are there windows in sewerland? If so, then they can't even see one another beneath a "moonless sky." What's the point of this song? I don't get it. There's a lot of touching and intimacy and it just makes you feel overwhelmed and uncomfortable. Honestly, the thing about the film is that it is what it is. It never tries to be anything else. It's a sexy, Hollywood Phantom that you're getting, whereas the stage production went all out with the makeup. In Love Never Dies they try to do both where they give you sexy Hollywood Gerard Butler for the masked Phantom, but then try to give us unmasked grotesque stage makeup Erik...like make up your mind. Either we get Hollywood sexy Erik or we get ugly stage Erik. At least the film was consistent about that. Love Never Dies is all over the place. They try to do this in newer versions of the stage POTO too and it really bothers me. Like you can't have both....just pick one Christ. I find it truly strange that they are shipping Christine and Erik to begin with. Christine did not love the Phantom, she loved Raoul. She felt pity for Erik and chooses to be compassionate toward him because she has no choice. Her choice is to be with the Phantom or not be with him and allow Erik to kill Raoul. In POTO, Erik holds her hostage. I don't get the Christine/Erik shippers, there's just something off it. Their romance can only either be toxic or non existent. I would prefer, for the sake of character growth, a non existent Erik/Christine romance. I would even support a Meg/Erik romance over Erik/Christine because at least you could give Erik some growth (which was already exhibited in the ending of POTO with his sacrifice). It leads me to believe that they are trying to appease the 14 year olds (or wine moms) with this musical. It was never the point of original POTO and even 2004 Gerard Butler Phantom gets this right. Like come on.... I remember reading an interview recently where ALW was talking about how the "young girls" that used to frequent POTO were coming back for the end of the tour run. I believe he is trying to grab this demographic again because he knows they are loyal fans for life. 11-14 years old are really impressionable.
@alexnicholls123
Жыл бұрын
I love it
@jef711
9 ай бұрын
Phantom became more obsessed and selfish in this
@elphbwckd212
4 ай бұрын
No, the Phantom was never really shown to be an architect. At most he built traps and invented things. He would be a inventor of some sort of anything. Not an architect. Took you five minutes, but it made as much, actually less, sense than this awful show. I see why this channel was abandoned.
@rachaelt8729
4 ай бұрын
What are you taking about it’s meantioned in the original musical as well as been meantioned in the book and most of the adaptations
@felixthecat2786
Жыл бұрын
Why did they do a 20 year time jump and call it 10? Did they think we wouldn't notice that?
@eristineforever6934
Жыл бұрын
Love Never Dies is my second favorite musical. 😁🤭🤗🥰😍
@DerekMckean
Жыл бұрын
I saw the 2018 U.S Tour of LND since it came to Seattle with Gadar Thor-Cortes as the phantom.
@sandymilenko
10 ай бұрын
Awesome video,I also hates Meg,and Yes,this Phantom visually cant deal with Ramin's Phantom
@ish_julierose5282
Жыл бұрын
29:52 Nancy wheeler x Jonathan byers from stranger things anyone?
@gwendolynrobinson3900
10 ай бұрын
I totally get why most consider this just fanfiction and not a true sequel. Jokes on them, I LIKE fanfiction! Do the characters behave ANYTHING like how they did in POTO? NO. But it's a silly little "lmao what if they DID-" and I can enjoy it for that 🤭😂
@cair124
9 ай бұрын
I have long held the theory that Love Never Dies is Erik's fever dream. In the book, he goes to the Persian, says he let Christine go, but that she promised to come back once he's dead to bury him, adding "And she will come soon!" In my head, he knows he's ill, and he doesn't eat, doesn't drink, doesn't sleep -- just develops a horrible fever and imagines the plot of Love Never Dies while ill. He knows he has lost Christine forever, but can't let her go, and he knows he will never have children, but imagines a son to carry on his talent. In the book, they note that three weeks after his visit to the Persian, the message "Erik is dead" appears in the newspaper. But did he really die?!? (I have a theory about that as well, but that strays into Phan Fic and I won't elaborate here.)
@PatrickKCompton
9 ай бұрын
So the first time I watched my DVD, I really enjoyed the stunning costumes, sets, and lighting. Also loved 'til I Hear You Sing, The 10 mins of love opera section, and the title song. However, I was so angry and hurt at the end, I swore I'd never watch this dumpster fire again. Then few 100 views later, I fell in love with this production too. Also had friends in the cast of the US tour, so had to root for them. I do hope this returns on tour one day.
@cheyendijk1750
10 ай бұрын
The only reason for me to bring Cristine and the Phantom (Eric) together, is because Gustave is their son. So that Gustave has not a drunk, gambling father like Raoul. So they live a happy life together. And not that eternal battle between Raoul and The Phantom
@alainaheacock3321
Жыл бұрын
I'm 42 and working on the phantom, no not this my phantom was brad little bk in 2003 before the horror of the 2005 movie now this..ugh...oh and on top of that when did Christine and Erik have a child and now raoul I'd a drunk but he was kind of a jerk 10 yrs prior...bound to happen lol the boy was awesome give it that it'd not the actors fault t
@cheyennek5813
11 ай бұрын
I know it's been a year but please watch the original London West End version! Or at least listen to the soundtrack. It has Ramin and Sierra again, and there is unmasking, and the acting is better. Love Never Dies has some potential just based on how it is performed and what songs are in it. Some aspects just aren't fully redeemable (like the cheating or where it is set) but the West End version just had such a better soundtrack and you do see the Phantom's face. Then there are the parallels in Ramin's acting choices from LND and Phantom 25th. The ending of the West End version also has so much more nuance between Erik and Christine, versus the overacting (in my opinion) for the ending scene with Christine and the Phantom before she dies.
@sasheycolon1
10 ай бұрын
I’ve only seen this once and I hated it because of all the reasons she says. However! I am a big fan of most of the music but only the original cast version. Because Ramin and Sierra just play it so perfect even when I can’t see them. I love how they both did LND before the 25th anniversary of Phantom. All the character choices they must have added because of it 🤯 I would love for a redo to be done for this sequel. I love the idea of a sequel still even if we were robbed with this one.
@MightieYT
Жыл бұрын
Wow you extremely gorgeous
@potork
5 ай бұрын
19:24 They unmasked him in the short run Ramin did of LND. I completely agree that it is stupid how we didn’t get to see his face.
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