I'm a Self employed Electrician here in Ireland the headaches and problems are the same the world over
@TheMadnessOfCrowds
4 жыл бұрын
More please. I could listen to these kinds of conversations forever.
@crbradbury8282
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly my thoughts as well
@djamesthree
4 жыл бұрын
Would like to hear the story about Phil’s run in with thieves...
@ek2216btfd
4 жыл бұрын
My brother is good with computers. He had the hair stylist conundrum of everyone wanting their computers fixed and put together. He started telling people up front what he charges. If they still insisted that he come fix it then he would. Then after the work was done he would decline payment. But he wanted to make sure that they valued his work. I’ve taken that and put it in my playbook. Cause some folks will take everything and give nothing back. Others are willing to barter goods or services.
@dabeamer42
4 жыл бұрын
Nate is getting to be a fairly good interviewer.
@ThePoesn
4 жыл бұрын
I don't know why, but I love to hear Phil talk. He seems really simple at first glance but listening to him you see how deep a well he really is.
@R_B62
4 жыл бұрын
I have been running my own contracting business since 2000. In my early years I would hire the most skilled people I could afford and continued to work side by side with them. I learned more from my workers at times and sometimes I am the teacher but always I am the boss.
@Gnarmac2k
4 жыл бұрын
This was great. I've always thought of podcasts like this as hanging out, and you guys are a good hang. Listened while cleaning my basement and honestly I'd listen for as long as you guys wanted to go.
@saltycowgirl
4 жыл бұрын
all of these topics on customers and prices also pertain to my house cleaning business... all of them... and yes there are customers that I decide Im not going to work for... Understand how much you're worth-Im expensive... awesome subjects talked about...
@XPStartupSound
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Nate Scott and Phil! Great episode with some fantastic info. I thought that Nate's mic was a bit loud at times. I had to turn down the volume for Nate but turn it up for others. It is hard to know how close someone is getting to the mic, but if you did a pass on your editing software to equalize the volume across the board it night help. I hope this doesn't sound too harsh. Love the content now and always! Have a great Christmas.
@LDeezy662
4 жыл бұрын
That talk about feeling the need of success right now hit home with me! 28 been painting for about 5 years after getting a useless college degree and I feel that urge that I'm not having the success that I feel like I should be but remembering the process and that it takes time is a valuable lesson that is awfully good to hear! Good talk fellas
@dannywilsher4165
4 жыл бұрын
Like all of the comments, I truly enjoyed listening to all you guys had to say. I have owned 35 businesses and I also have two engineering degrees. I have started businesses from nothing and have bought struggling businesses and made them profitable. I've sold most of them and did fairly well with them but have also closed some down because of circumstances beyond my control. Through it all I have learned a lot of the things you guys are talking about. Going into and running your own business is not a guarantee of success or failure. It is lots of hard work and those who figure out a way to make things happen and become successful will enjoy lots more satisfaction and freedom than the guy that just makes a paycheck. But I think you guys laid that out pretty well in your podcast!!!!!
@crbradbury8282
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@carmichaelcourt3440
4 жыл бұрын
My brother has been running his own electrical side hustle for years and has never been terribly good at billing people. I sent him the link to this so he can see and hear some of the great advice, especially when it comes to what to charge (min 44). He's most often gotten burned on COs as well. But I assume that that is pretty standard.
@kengamble8595
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think I'd get along fine with Phil and his dry sense of humor ! 😊 People are never sure just how to take me either, if I'm kidding or serious! Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍
@joezeigler1064
4 жыл бұрын
The podcast is like radio. I can listen while doing other things...I don't have to stop to watch plus filled with valuable information.
@joshsworld8219
3 жыл бұрын
you sound like Scott Brown saying "exiting episode". Great vid.
@RICHat22
3 жыл бұрын
1:35 is the exact reason I never advertised my auto repair shop for the last 11 years. Take care of YOUR customers better than anyone else can. Forget everyone else's. LOL. I like Phil. He is obviously an experienced owner. I also don't recommend but 2 guys and they are swamped as me.
@mark76197
4 жыл бұрын
As a new contractor, about 18 months in, I found this conversation to be extremely beneficial to listen to. Thanks for the great content!
@crbradbury8282
2 жыл бұрын
Focus in on both these veterans statement: " figure what to charge and double it. Phil said tell customer it will be 3X harder and costlier. You'll get away from the jerks and cheapskates.
@elizabethstone3029
4 жыл бұрын
Really really enjoyed this episode! I would love to hear more advice to young carpenters and the stories of how Scott went out on his own, things he learned the hard way and or the easy way. I've heard alot about his piece work in Vegas but am very curious how he became what he is today. Really enjoyed hearing the advice from Phil on young tradesman, thank you guys very much!
@billwoehl3051
4 жыл бұрын
I used to work at the steel mill in Sterling Illinois, (Northwestern Steel and Wire, Sterling nails, etc.) So I can understand exactly what you mean about production bonuses and the attitude towards those who stop production, and even though I wasn't a millwright, I know exactly what Phil means. We were union and that helped alot. Hear stories about the original owner and his temper, lol. Once fired a guy who seen he was stuck on the railroad tracks in the middle of the winter, went to help him get unstuck, got fired for leaving his workstation 🤔, musta been one angry guy, owner of a huge company, all the money you need, and yet, so angry all the time, "what do you gain if you had the whole world, but lost your soul" Yeshua, 2020 years ago.
@Matt123a
4 жыл бұрын
More on business please.
@michaeldougfir9807
3 жыл бұрын
These kinds of chats are wonderful to me. And I always enoy seeing Phil.
@calebmattix391
4 жыл бұрын
We need more Phil!
@albertsandberg
Жыл бұрын
As a contractor myself for a decade, Phils advice to get somebody to do the books for you is golden. You're not that great at it so it will take a long time, it will always be in the weekends and you will do it wrong . Get somebody that is efficient at it and do what you do best instead and it will be a win-win for all involved.
@alaspooryorick9946
4 жыл бұрын
Love this chat! Always love these chats. I find as a self employed tradie that the people skills and the trade skills work together beautifully, but that the business mindset seems often at odds with both. It's probably just my own lack of imagination, but that's a cognitive dissonance I struggle with all the time. I'm only 27 years old and could probably retire on the hours I've not billed for, but I'd have no friends and wouldn't have had anywhere near the fulfilment and satisfaction that I've been blessed to have had.
@knotbumper
4 жыл бұрын
You need to be a little nuts to run your own business, customers who don't pay, customers who don't understand what you are telling them. I'd much rather just work with the tools. 42 years as an electrician, I was very good at what I did, I realized I was not a businessman. A friend who went that direction; spent 3 days a week working with the tools and 3 days a week working with a pencil for 32 years. At the end, I had made more money than he had. (Although money is not a good score keeper.) That was not my calling. I had no desire to be a bill collector.
@c.groeschl4940
4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to say that as a guy that started general contracting at 30 you guys are hitting all the key points that young people should consider when thinking about starting a small business in the trades. Great stuff
@tonyn3123
4 жыл бұрын
I loved this podcast. I am just retired and I swear I could mimic every comment the guys made. Difference is, I did work for a retirement with a govt. agency and then a private firm. The benefits I get now make it all worth while, even though there were many times I considered working for myself to acquire the freedom they speak of. I was lucky enough to get into management relatively early where I had more control of my work schedule and work environment and didn't have to "chase whistles" nearly as much. That's hard to find today.
@jimjones4345
4 жыл бұрын
That was fantastic! I always like hearing about other people starting and operating their business. It's way harder than it looks, and they didn't even talk about taxes, payroll, insurance, or a lot of other things.
@loucannon5445
2 жыл бұрын
Phil’s a good man, I sympathize with all of the customer related stuff. I tell every client - if they’re going to refer me to somebody else don’t give me to somebody that wants a 3rd estimate, I wouldn’t come in lower but even if I did I don’t want to work for em. Nice video fellas.
@sealteamryx6758
3 жыл бұрын
We use this dude and his brother for our electrical and HVAC. He's really good and friendly does good work and doesn't screw people over... but we did this major remodel a like 6 months ago where we basically gutted an entire house we moved a stairwell n did a bunch of actual structural rebuilding n blah blah blah but the the house ended up having to be totally rewired because it was so badly done. Nothing was in junction boxes or secured it was all spliced with black tape n that's it no wire nuts to speak of and none of the romex ground was actually grounded it was just there for looks I guess... anyway, the owners got all sorts of bent out of shape becuase of how much more it cost from their original bid which was basically just supposed to just be moving stuff n putting in some lights.... people just don't understand what really is going on and what it takes to do things.... can't really blame them too much they don't know... what's funny is they were bragging at first about how good of a deal they got on this house lol not so great after remodeling the entire house
@johndehaan1379
4 жыл бұрын
This was the best podcast today! So soothing to listen to the wisdom of these great guys. It feels like we are friends. Keep it up!
@derekgreen7319
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a modern machinist. I wouldn't say it's exactly like that. The skill set has changed. But I setup and program, both cad /cam and macros. Also I can work multiple machines. When it used to be more common to specialize. We weld and fabricate at my shop too.
@pmchamlee
4 жыл бұрын
Phil the plumber is a great example of a craftsman who 'knows how it works.' I am inspired to tell you guys my story, but this is the wrong forym. Perhaps I'll compose an email to EC that he can read at his leisure (if that even exists😁). Great interview. 🤠
@SprintSt955i
4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the podcast especially since I can listen to it on spotify while driving longer distances. But I got a small complaint: especially in this one it was hard to hear Scott since he seemed so silent compared to Nate in the beginning it got better towars the end. So I had to turn up my radio and got a good jump scare when Nate started talking again, because he was ways louder. It would be nice if the voices of everyone would be at about the same level.
@stuartlockwood9645
4 жыл бұрын
Hi guys, great discussion, and sound advice for anybody thinking of being self employed. And it's been an eye opener listening to you all, and special thanks to Phil , I could listen to him all day. Looking forward to more,Best wishes to you all, and have a great Christmas and a Happy new year,Stuart uk.
@paulanderson2803
4 жыл бұрын
Back in the 70's, My brothers and I were digging in sewer laterals the plumber that worked with us had a saying that went Water don't run up hill and your crap is my bread and butter. He always had work.
@gregweir8417
4 жыл бұрын
Hi from a man who works as a contractor in eastern Canada. I have watched your videos since the start. The spec house was/is brilliant. I had some fun looking around on Google maps to find your building lot. Found it this time. I won't write it here. It's an old pic anyway. It was fun to find it on the map. Good videos, well done. Excellent content. Greg
@michaelagalasso2389
4 жыл бұрын
When I started as a carpenter I always dreamed of starting my own company. As time went on and I got into the Carpenters Union I became used to having a great pay check each week. Never put any real money aside. Now at 59 and I have worked for many different companies I still feel the itch to start a carpentry business. I would say to anyone in the trades that wants to start a business. Make sure you have at least a year and a half salary in the bank to fall back on. 2nd is if you are married make sure you have support from your family. Nothing demoralizes a man more than to have his family think he is not bring home the beacon if you know what I mean.
@RayWilliamJohansen
4 жыл бұрын
any advice for someone that has no experience but it is interested in becoming a carpenter ? I feel like most people won't give you a chance if you have no experience and it's difficult to get into a union.
@michaelagalasso2389
4 жыл бұрын
The Carpenter Unions are begging for new members right now. Do a internet search for a local in your area and contact them. You will have to complete a 4 year apprenticeship. The other option is a trade school that teaches carpentry.
@RayWilliamJohansen
4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelagalasso2389 ok thank you !
@GarrethandPipa
2 жыл бұрын
getting to know the business is tremendously important. I come from a trades family so by the time I was 12 there was few thing I knew nothing about my senior year I might have skipped a few classes to finish off a job. By 20 I had 2 roofing crews and a painting crew and had close to 100k in the bank. Because I thought hustle was more important than the business when they changed the sub-contractors laws and had to come up with 125k in unpaid taxes for my employees it scared me out of the business. To this day almost 40 years later my family thinks I made a mistake even tho I became fairly successful now. I probably would have done well. I just traded 50k in concern for 10s of millions in concerns. At the time I saw the struggles of my cousins and uncles and decided there had to be something easier. Not to certain at times if I choose the right life. And if I had put as much time on the business side of things or hired someone to do it for me things would be vastly different for me today.
@MikeBramm
4 жыл бұрын
Great show guys. I like hearing these types of stories. Phil seems like a pretty cool dude.
@dansamson7081
4 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work fellas! And thank you for the time invested here.
@copperinstaller9215
3 жыл бұрын
Things change from day to day .
@CavinSr069
4 жыл бұрын
This was great. Can listen all day!
@aroncarvajal7080
4 жыл бұрын
Saludos the freedom you have from working for yourself is way more rewarding than working for some one.
@Acknaar
4 жыл бұрын
Good background to a morning of painting .
@kentkirkpatrick7953
4 жыл бұрын
Need to have one of your old Coleman Lantern's in the background somewhere, on the steps maybe? Middle of the table even???? Looking forward to the next video!
@jaydmatacarita
4 жыл бұрын
I wish I would have known all this sooner I had to find out the hard way I've been in business for a year and I've always charged pretty cheap
@jackstraw5527
3 жыл бұрын
Captivating stuff. Phil is awesome, he seems like a really laid back dude.
@joshford8233
2 жыл бұрын
Valuable information guys thanks .
@mickey533
4 жыл бұрын
Great! Good interview Nate
@jollyjiggler
4 жыл бұрын
Ive worked for the same company 10+ years and im about to be 27
@denaboersma6983
4 жыл бұрын
Best episode yet. So much knowledge being shared.
@DominickCascianoIII
4 жыл бұрын
As a young man interested in the trades, it is intimidating to think about joining a team or working for a company (knowing that I'll be treated like I'm disposable even if I bust my butt)... and on the other hand it's intimidating to think about running my own business. I also don't want to quit before I begin. If I work hard, solve problems, and make life easier for my boss, maybe I'll find a good boss who recognizes hard work and willingness to learn.
@adaml5851
4 жыл бұрын
Hi there, I'm a electrical journeyman. In my experience many of us think like you but by in large even when your doing good quality work at a quick pace.. your hardly ever appreciated or treated well.
@danielzukeran7625
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video and subject!! This is questions I've had for vets like you in the trades. THANK YOU! Be awesome to run into Nate in Arizona some time
@copperinstaller9215
3 жыл бұрын
It’s better to just keep your customers happy and only juggle what you can commit to .
@jcoul1sc
4 жыл бұрын
You got to do a book, I'm sure there is a professional writer out there that would bring all this together with interviews with Sy and so on, I would buy it.
@torque350hp
4 жыл бұрын
I had a comment to add but by the end I forgot. It was a great episode though. :-)
@martinpoulsen6564
4 жыл бұрын
Currently not on my own... I was for such a short while I might as well have been dreaming, and as such, who am I to give anyone advice? Well. I got out of there, just as the economy took a dive in '08, and got lucky to land on my feet, could pull out unharmed without having a halfway done unfinanced project sitting dead in the water, which killed off a lot of outfits of all and any size. That does not mean I lost interest, or seek to know how things are stuck together, and a universal thing that I've found to be true in the successful outfits I've been with (from 3 guys to 400,000 people - there might be slight differences!), is that they shoot for the moon, regardless of how the market is. If a client comes in and wants 3 of whatever, they aim to sell 20, though maybe not to the same customer. If it's 60, they might want to convince him it's a good idea to take 90, and the same happens in every proces. Always ALWAYS try to improve, strengthen, lighten, make things simpler, go faster, educate and build people in the process, and let them contribute back to the company, so it becomes a boundless organism, in stead of a stale environment, that eventually withers and dies, because it hasn't kept up. Keep people challenged. It doesn't matter much if we're talking tooling in construction and industry, marketing platforms, financial services or whatever. Always be better today than yesterday. Aim for it. Shoot for the moon, and if you fall short, it just might still be better, than always playing it safe, with known methods, pricing, time consumption and so on. And yes. Of course there is a risk of falling flat on your face, so be careful not to have all the eggs in one basket. Better to have advancement on 7 out of 10 smaller projects, than collapsing with one big one, which is also a part of why growing, because that's exactly what it is, a business, takes time and patience. Just like Corn, kids or lumber. It needs to work, word has to spread... There's no company without a customer base. The foundation of it all. Anyway - my 2 cents. I am sure there are other ways and opinions, which I'm sure I'll hear of, and that is exactly how it should be. The hivemind with different experiences, know, and can achieve, a vast amount more, than just one guy with his own thoughts and experiences. It not only multiplies, but factors - a powerful thing.
@ffishermn
4 жыл бұрын
Very good information. It takes a very special person to be a businessman and a tradesman. Setting the expectations, documenting the expectations and living up to the expectation on every job is a big key to long term success. (Then developed a KZitem channel that may provide a small, perhaps even a better, income). But seriously, interesting perspectives and solid information being provided in this pod cast. I must say that I enjoy listening to Cy Swan much better. LOL
@phildcrow
4 жыл бұрын
Oh, I have thoughts on opening your own shop vs working for the man,. I think y'all did pretty well.
@soundgod06
4 жыл бұрын
I love watching these podcasts. I do have one recommendation though, a camera on each person. I can’t say I enjoyed listening to Phil and staring at the back of his head.
@robinbennett5994
4 жыл бұрын
That would require loads of editing though. How about sitting in a row facing a big mirror?
@jimjones4345
4 жыл бұрын
They just need a table, and camera set up, like 'Still untitled with Adam savage' has. 3 or 4 people around a table, 1 camera, easy peasy.
@jamiewells5816
4 жыл бұрын
love Phil.
3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. But what about stolen equipment?
@bhami
4 жыл бұрын
I bought a 1947 fixer-upper seven years ago, so I've had to deal with maybe a dozen different plumbers, electricians, carpenters, roofers, fencers, etc.; both sole proprietors and larger outfits. I have one major word of advice to such people: don't be a flake! Always get back to your customer or potential customer, even if to say "I can't give you a firm estimate for a few days". When I request bids, I have no problem with a potential supplier saying, "I'm a no-bid on that project", but I have a *major* problem when they completely fail to respond.
@Bkrites
4 жыл бұрын
So as a 31 year old millwright and industrial electrician I've been giving alot I thought about trying it on my own
@robbbenedict
4 жыл бұрын
Lots of tools required for those trades! Probably good to have a helper/apprentice, too!
@micssticksnpipes
2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff.
@billwoehl3051
4 жыл бұрын
I also believe that even if a person does everything right, from the start, if location and timing is off, business won't grow.
@jum5238
4 жыл бұрын
Don't know if it's my phone, but the audio levels are uneven. At times I couldn't hear Scott.
@garethsnaim8174
4 жыл бұрын
Indeed great content but every time nate came on it damn near woke me up, please sort out the audio levels.
@jcoul1sc
4 жыл бұрын
Plumber is the hardest trade to get/employ as the skill shortage and demographics/age issue
@kiwdwks
4 жыл бұрын
Love these...always good conversation!
@benritchsmith
3 жыл бұрын
That was a great show!
@jameshendry27
4 жыл бұрын
Rule of thumb, never employ friends or friends of friends unless you are willing to loose that friendship. (s**t happens and it will)
@lemm1388
4 жыл бұрын
The audio on the podcast was very poor for this episode. Constantly getting louder and quieter depending on who was talking.
@billwoehl3051
4 жыл бұрын
Great conversation, camera could use a different perspective though, would be nice if everyone was facing somewhat towards the camera.
@johna1160
4 жыл бұрын
Enjoyable interview except... Phil had his back to the camera (or profile) most of the time. Suggest Nate go back to sitting opposite his dad and put the guest in center.
@jimjones4345
4 жыл бұрын
I figure he's not as comfortable with the camera, as Nate, and especially, Scott. Maybe that made him more relaxed, and we got a better talk because of it, and it would've been weird talking to Nate with his back to him. And its supposed to be be a podcast after all haha
@FreeRivers85
4 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this. Thanks!
@anthonytortorice1264
4 жыл бұрын
Great topic, great video.
@edwilliams4793
3 жыл бұрын
With the level of quality/care/love you folks are putting in, how will it effect the house's selling price?
@Dale37
4 жыл бұрын
I've contemplated starting my own HVAC business, however I see what my boss deals with that I don't, so my mind has changed. Customers can be ridiculous. We always quote upfront before dispatching to a customers house what the service call charge is, then quote the repair cost before making a repair and some people will wait until the repair is done then refuse to pay. Some people just refuse to be happy no matter how hard you try.
@dustyandsneezing
4 жыл бұрын
Dale86 there’s some bad customers out there but they aren’t all bad. Being transparent with them helps. If you did a good job, you deserve to get paid.
@brockwagner939
3 жыл бұрын
That can be avoided by a policy of requiring a credit card up front before you start the repair. If it's a contract job for a new install, the contract should protect you. But there will always be people who make it their job to get out of paying. Eventually you will learn to spot those people in advance.
@roscocsa
4 жыл бұрын
I consider myself to be a mechanic. A computer mechanic. I’m on call like this for work (company), but I also get the hey can you do x from friends and co-workers.... It’s backwards but I have luck insisting on doing small friend side jobs for free. I do as well as I can, and I’m either so bad or they feel so bad not paying me that it keeps it seldom. Either way I mostly get my saturdays and sundays free. Luckily a lot of the calls I get can be resolved with a, plug it back in. Turn it off. No you did not just make a friend who wants to send you money.
@jfbeam
4 жыл бұрын
Running your own business is a lot of work. If you know that from day one, and can handle all the little things that entails, running your own business can be very rewarding -- and sometimes even profitable. Wr.t. CNC machining, on a production floor there may be a fair bit of "minion" work (changing broken/worn tools, swapping work pieces), but before you can get to that point, a great deal of work goes into the "G code" the machine is actually following. Ask AvE how easy it is to push a few buttons. (go watch the videos of the process to make those two copper hammers he sent.) And then go watch Edge Precision -- he's an Evil Genius with that mazak.
@jimjones4345
4 жыл бұрын
I thought that too, but I think Phil was more referring to guys that work for someone else, where they might have a specific person doing all the cad, cam, gcode, while they just come in and watch a machine work, punch I time card and go home.
@stevebrickey7161
4 жыл бұрын
Where I worked, there was a programmer, the setup man, and the machine operator. It was not fun and the wages sucked.
@dsulli7383
6 ай бұрын
Now I just want to know about Phil’s tools getting stolen from his shop. I’ve been ripped off for all my tools a couple times.
@jdawes4403
4 жыл бұрын
Good job Nate
@RobertBarth1
4 жыл бұрын
RE: evidence of a self-employed contractor who is good at his (almost all?) trades and runs his business quite well, checkout The Handyman (tongue-in-cheek channel title), and his business channel The Handyman Business.
@timrexhepi3084
3 жыл бұрын
hey guys at EC2 would it be possible for you to interview your electrician thanks
@richardmason7840
3 жыл бұрын
Correct. Freedom is most expensive. It cost the KING His life. Enjoy Elohim men HE is the best we got!
@copperinstaller9215
3 жыл бұрын
Plumbing’s fun ! I’d work for fee if I could ;)
@copperinstaller9215
3 жыл бұрын
Treat the plumbing service like buying groceries 😂
@abenzuoo
4 жыл бұрын
already like this, lets watch!
@odysseus1220
4 жыл бұрын
They need to make an app like Uber but for contracting so the contractor as well as the customer gets a rating. Too many customers hold the contractors board or even yelp reviews over your head and youre simply depending on their mercy, especially the dumb ones who like to tell you how to do your job because they saw how it’s done on hgtv
@tomnugent845
4 жыл бұрын
My advice is do what you love, you’ll never have to go to work.
@billwoehl3051
4 жыл бұрын
I have the skills, but no business sense, and building more skills learning blacksmithing from people like Scott (EC), John from black bear forge, Alec Steele, Roy from Christ Centered Iron works, and many more on YT.
@hkgonra
4 жыл бұрын
I think you are wrong on machinists. Check out guys in the medical field. They are starting in the door at $20 an hour with no experience. Guys with experience are pushing 6 figures. Guys making car parts are making nothing.
@abenzuoo
4 жыл бұрын
sold 35 times :D
@bkoz319
3 жыл бұрын
I wanted to hear how phils tools got stolen. ......
@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb
4 жыл бұрын
Damn, as a contractor, this discussion pisses me off. The inherent cynicism, snarkiness and disrespect for clients is boggling. Yes, plenty of 'green' clients - but it's because the trades are loathe to give out pricing information and people have no idea what things cost.
@brockwagner939
3 жыл бұрын
I didn't get that from the discussion, I thought he was saying most people don't even ask what the price is, not that he doesn't want to be bothered to discuss prices with the customer.
@mikejones-ku5ix
4 жыл бұрын
I like your talks but I'm sorry to say I turned this one off early. Phil seems negative about a lot of things and comes across as a person I would not want to deal with.
@daneilmoussa6909
3 жыл бұрын
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