well there you go riders.... a very busy 4 days 400km and loads of camera work! I hope you like it and like always got a questioned just ask
@federaldelii
Жыл бұрын
How is the ride with the motor shut off riding only pedals? Because the point of e-bike is to pedal without the motor at straight trail and to turn on and use the motor at hills more. And the battery can be used longer in a day 👍🏻
@Raumance
Жыл бұрын
The fact that the range matches with Bosch, Brose and Yamaha makes the Pinion gearbox clearly the best option. Went through 3 derailleurs and 3 hangers last year. This year went through a derailleur, 2 hangers so far. Friend 1 destroyed 1 derailleur, 2 hangers this year. Friend 2 destroyed a derailluer, a stack and a hanger and had the shifting cables swtiched out as well. So much trouble, money, wasted time and ruined rides.
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate! Honestly I was so busy in the 4 days there was so many more things I wanted to add like you just said so thanks for adding them! And for the range tests they are not fun but very needed I feel! Thanks for the kind words
@johnexpotech
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree, the derailleur concept is from the steam age, this industry needs to move on especially the money we have the privilege of paying for these bikes
@wildgoatmtb5361
10 ай бұрын
Rider errors... learn from your mistakes maybe.
@Raumance
10 ай бұрын
@wildgoatmtb5361 How to say you only ride to grocery store and back without saying it. You have to ride like a granny.
@SolarizeYourLife
10 ай бұрын
You MTBers are nuts....
@roddas26
Жыл бұрын
Staight up honest review. Wouldn't expect anything else from you Sam. Thanks for all your work.
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks 🙏 rider!
@stevenreyes3680
Жыл бұрын
I’m spoiled with my BBSHD hardtail with a 3 speed Sturmey Archer hub...and a throttle. You can spend however much you want, and you will never get uphill as fast with less effort. I only have to pedal,assist the motor, on the very steepest sections and maintain like around 10 mph. Plus I’ve got PNW Coast dropper with suspension. Nice for sections you can remain 9:16 seated for a little rest, or on the road. My local trails, which I’m doomed to ride, no transportation, do not need a FS bike. After 5 of them, I went back to a hardtail 15 years ago. That should date me, I’m 71 now, and more than a little lazy.
@g.wilsondh8407
Жыл бұрын
I have been saying that I will be getting an ebike when they evolve into a more refined version. Integrating the motor and gearbox seems like they are finally there! I would love to try a long travel enduro version with a belt drive.
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Yep they are here! I’m pretty sure there are only trail bike right now
@TypicalGuy84
Жыл бұрын
Surron makes one.
@SsmAnyfeSt
Жыл бұрын
Same for me!! Only waiting for an enduro with super good rear suspension and maybe lighter and more powerful battery and then, I'll make the switch! :)
@eaze7324
7 ай бұрын
Simplon rapcon pmax pinion, 165/170mm, you can choose the 720wh battery
@theinquisitive4803
Жыл бұрын
The review was not as bad as I had feared. It came across as honest and straightforward.
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate I was over all very impressed better than I expected
@mightywallaby
Жыл бұрын
First to the tube with a pinion gearbox review. Loved how honest it was. Great bike to just get on and ride. If you don’t maintain your own bike it will also save you a fortune. Looking forward to your Bosch SX review as well. Keep up the great reviews!
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael I really appreciate the kind words this one was like 10 days of work and I’m smashed now haha
@humzilla707
Жыл бұрын
4-5 and 8-9 the gear box has to make a big transition to the next gear. I get so many redwood branches in my derailleurs I need one of these.
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Yep 👍 but once they get it right wow 😯
@robbief1
Жыл бұрын
Big shout out to you Sam, for bringing us the best emtb reviews!
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that brother so much! This one was 10 days of my life I love it but man it’s not easy
@robinireland810
9 ай бұрын
Think of the pinion gearbox as a 4 speed with a triple chainring. From 4th to 5th the clunk is coming from the 1st Chainring changing to the 2nd, and likewise 8th to 9th is when the 2nd chaining moves to the 3rd. In those two instances there’s a lot happening in the gearbox. I’m lucky enough to have pre ordered the Simplon Rapcon with this system, including the belt drive as well as the auto shift, which I understand is well refined now. Pinion are going to want this to be bang on right from the start. There’s a lot riding on this, pun intended. 1st batch arriving in the UK late January. Can’t wait
@holger_ger3391
10 ай бұрын
Looked your video twice. Thanks for the work. Especially the Range test! Like your honest style! I tested the MGU by my self. And i am in with a Bulls Vuca Evo AM2 in pre order. Best buy for money i think. I also like the Rotwild and the Simplon very much.
@SamsBikes
10 ай бұрын
Thanks mate
@hanselsanjuan8003
Жыл бұрын
Cant wait for Specialized to adopt this motor/gearbox system with a Belt Drive. Add the Gen 3 Levo Geometry features and that would be my Dream eBike.
@nickclarkuk
Жыл бұрын
I fall into the meticulous with maintenance category but I don’t want the hassle unless necessary. Anything that reduces maintenance time and cost is a win for me .
@f113tch
Жыл бұрын
Great review Sam. We have a peak at the future of biking here. It may still be in its infancy, but there appears to be so many inherent advantages with the combined motor/gearbox design. It will also be interesting to see where chain versus belt drive pans out!?
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate... I know Rotwild know how to make a bike and they think the chain is better so I trust them but would like to back to back a belt just to see
@FFDS-ld4fu
Жыл бұрын
@@SamsBikes It seems (at present!) that chains are more efficient but belts are less maintenance. If they can get belts to be more efficient that would be awesome (as chains are always going to require maintenance!). Keep up the good work mate.
@kellymoses8566
Жыл бұрын
Belt drive has been out for a long time and is awesome
@kellymoses8566
Жыл бұрын
Efficiency doesn't matter as much on ebikes
@Pete68T
Жыл бұрын
Rohloff E14 is Noisy in Some Gears and Can Jump When Changing,Having had one I Did Not Like the Weight in the Back Wheel,So if this Gets Better over the Next Couple of Years it Will be a Winner in my View,I Did Not Realize Chain Was Better than a Belt ,I Have Had a Rethink After Watching again and I Changed my View As Well As The Belt Drive Needs Massive Tension on it to Work and Causes Drag When Not Using Motor,So Chain does Not ,And As its Not Moving From side to side Only in Line it should Last a Long Time If its Looked After.
@streddaz
Жыл бұрын
The chain is a bit more efficient than a belt, is easier to repair and because the chain is not doing shifting duties, it will last a whole lot longer. There's pros and cons for the belt VS chain, just depends what's important to you.
@Belifranko
2 ай бұрын
Chains are only more efficient when perfectly clean and lubed. Otherwise belts are. On ebikes belts are a no brainer anyways, no derailleur to tear off or bend, no chain that gets rusty or loses performance in adverse conditions.
@steveg2417
Жыл бұрын
Great review!! I definitely fell into the 50ish% that is remiss on maintenance. I hope in future bikes there is a belt option. For me, that is the perfect setup!!
@stephenbrown5844
Жыл бұрын
There is now
@JeepingNet
Жыл бұрын
I still don't understand how you give a review, stay on point better than most reviews and ride at the same time. If I even let my thoughts slide on a downhill I'm in the trees. I'm a bit upset to see the chain but the reason totally makes sense.
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Hahaha I have ridden my whole life and it’s just same crazy skill I have but remember I do Edit out the oh shot moments haha
@andersjefsenrasmussen3003
Жыл бұрын
The klonk is just from the gears, the are moduls or planets. You can hear that as well on a ordinary gearbox without motor. I got a trekking bike with C1.12 and I love it. My next one will be with E.12 and also gates belt.
@beatrizgasco4776
Жыл бұрын
I tried it and I love that I can change the gears back on the hills without spinning the wheel!!!
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
I knew you would love it!
@Krillekris
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for being honest 🙂 Exciting technology.
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks rider
@bikernaut1
11 ай бұрын
I believe this is the future of e-mtb because I have been riding e-mtb for last 2 years and I have weared many smallest 11t cogs with 38t front chainring and only 70 Nm motor.
@nicolapellegrino1072
Жыл бұрын
I don't think the pros on that system are only about zero maintenance, the fact that you can shift gears without pedaling is a game changer, especially on climbs, the choice about the chain in my opinion is a cons, but the rear suspension must be designed ad hoc to be used with belt, in terms of reliability a belt lasts 30k km not far comparable with a chain that in the most optimistic ways can last 4k on a ebike with singlespeed setup... the noise is not a problem considering the advantages this motor can give and the range is really good. We have to see how this motor will develop and improve and the same for the Rotwild that's still a prototype, but in my opinion that's the future.
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment mate! Totally agree this gearbox motor thing is the going to be apart of the ebike future
@nicolapellegrino1072
Жыл бұрын
@SamsBikes you're welcome I always follow your videos 😉 I suggest you to make a comparison between a traditional transmission and a gearbox in shifting under load conditions with high assistance, on regular transmissions is not even possible to do that, new T type sram groupsets works better but I think is not comparable with pinion, at least after seen the tests. Anyway let's hope many brands will support this new tech, we need that. 🙏
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback mate! To be honest it was a crazy 4 days of testing I missed a few things; what I might do is do a follow up Q&A video
@misty671
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Sam. Looks like break through bike. Always like your enthusiasm. 🇨🇦
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Rider I really appreciate your response
@FlyingFun.
Жыл бұрын
Awesome tech at last getting rid of that derailer, obviously 10k put it out of reach for most of us right now but I hope it catches on and cheaper options come out
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks 🙏 mate yep pretty amazing tech and I’m sure it will trickle down in the future
@garyjohnson4575
Жыл бұрын
...way out of range, at $10,000!
@IM-nc4vb
Жыл бұрын
Very informative, I love all your range test videos. That is my first information I considered when I bought my first eMTB.
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate I hate them haha 😂
@MTB-Swiss
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Sam for this really nice and informative "real world" Test on the trails. Personally I never think to get an Ebike, because of the normal SRAM, Shimano Shifting Technology. I drive since 2012 Pinion on my MTBs and my opinion is: never go back to a classic shifting bike, because of the No-Mainantance approach and the plus to shift in the stand without move. I never had/have problems (with chain and Gates version) in the Winter. So for Ebikes I would say Pinion MGU is the game changer like 11 years ago the gearbox P1.18 was. The one real problem I see here is the price of the bikes, which come into a region of an KTM of Husqvarna Enduro or SM. But Ebike you can driver everywhere... P.s. the clunk in 2 gears comes from the 2nd shaft. You have the gears distributed to 2 shafts. 3 wheels on the2nd shaft the rest on the first. When you shift to the 6 or 12 gear (for P1.18 with 18 gears) you shift to the first cogwheel on the first shaft and in the same step into the 2nd cog wheel on the 2nd shaft. Then for the next gears you just shift on the next cogwheel on the first shaft, until you change again in gear 12 (for P1.18). That is also the reason why you feel the change and cannot have full force on the pedals for some milli seconds. But on the trail it is just a short time where you noticed it, then you just use it. For E1.12 I don't know it Pinion is using 2 or 3 cogs on the 2nd shaft....maybe they will explain it in a video somewhere.
@DragonNova
Жыл бұрын
Definitely the future, let's get integrated baby
@Guesswhokk
Жыл бұрын
3:04 it a shame you can't change to a bigger chain ring if for urban or faster rides. 13:30 can you actively switch off motor assist and become a normal bike? e.g. down hill pedaling doesn't need motor assist. Did Pinion solve the 'engagement angle' problem? Please compare Gold standard Rohloff, I'm not a fan with large 'gear steps'.
@joaoesdevao461
Жыл бұрын
maybe this system is the gamechanger,but 2 big ones dont like the idea of not selling milllions of rearmags,k7,chains etc. -greetings from sunny Algarve
@marcusoutdoors4999
4 ай бұрын
Great review and super interesting tech. I’m still happy with my Turbo Levo Comp, however I suspect this will be the last traditional ebike I’ll own. 960w battery is definitely the way to go. A 65 degree head angle and a 160mm forks and it would be spot on.
@timbeard8457
Жыл бұрын
Re leasing in Germany, I can confirm that keys for the battery are not a requirement, at least not with the company I leased my Levo from. For any readers in Germany, leasing is well worth looking at if your company is willing to do a little bit of paperwork.
@spencerwvcmoon
Жыл бұрын
Great review that's what we want all spec and total honesty subscribed.
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate
@stephenbarnes5850
Жыл бұрын
The controller looks as bad as the Bosch old Star ship enterprise one why didn't Pinion go for one integrated into the top tube and a small optional one for the handle bars for the cost of the system it's interface should look more premium, that control looks cheap and not very functional with the buttons on the top , hope they sort it for gen 2 , great review Sam as always
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Hey mate thanks for the kind words... yep agree the remote is too big.
@thewaldfe9763
Жыл бұрын
They are using batteries and controllers by a supplier (FIT), rather than producing their own ones. There are 2-3 different ones the bike manufacturers can choose, but this one really looks very clunky!
@trapptours6679
Жыл бұрын
No question, I think you have covered everything i wanted to know very well 👍
@stuartpike3974
Жыл бұрын
With no derailleur, how do the chain, front and rear sprockets wear in comparison? Would like to see a longer test with little or no chain maintenance.
@10Filip
Жыл бұрын
They dont get dirt, debris, water, so might be quite long
@jeremygibb9167
Жыл бұрын
Good information. Thought it was going to a firework show! Definitely the way of the future but I’ll wait for some more refinement.
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
thanks mate
@Todd66
Жыл бұрын
I wish it was quieter, but def not a game changer. I think they did a good job…4 kilo with a gear box?! Awesome sauce! The future is looking good people!! I would want a belt instead of the chain, maybe shorter crank arms to combat the stretch/delay?! Awesome job as ALWAYS Sam.
@gearhigher2027
9 ай бұрын
Well, Done...PINION would be more marketable if they paired with a frame manufacturer that will appeal to the former XC riders looking for a maintenance-free short travel sub-15 kg rider.
@dumpyosaurus6765
Жыл бұрын
Great review, thanks Sam
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@stephengeddis7364
Жыл бұрын
Best review to date
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate!
@brendan1
Жыл бұрын
Did you weigh the bike yourself? Would be interested to know what that configuration weighed. Really great review Sam. I was very much looking forward to it and you delivered in spades! Great review!
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Hey Brendan thanks for the kind words, no I didn’t weigh the bike but I’m very sure it’s 24.6 because it was totally stock
@charleswhite7612
Жыл бұрын
Great video, informative & honest. This is the future.👍 (about time!) Where in Austria are you? Beautiful!
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks rider.... Hinterglemm, Austria,
@topheavy7616
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the honest review. 👍🏽
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Always! Thanks for the kind words
@roberttony001
4 ай бұрын
The noise would not be from the motor but the gearbox under strain, to be quieter the gear teeth need to change rather than flat, more chevron shaped or at a angle depending how the transfer from one gear to another, to gradually put load on the gear teeth, especially at low gears under load from the motor.
@hjacobsen9306
Жыл бұрын
Overall great review! Been waiting for this from the SF, CA usa area with great anticipation! For older folks(im 51) who have ridden Sturmey Archer planetary gear systems we know there is going to be a brief lag with certain gears which I believe is just inherent with the planetary gear system. One other big side benifit of this single cog system in the rear would be the ability to reduce or eliminate rear wheel dish which will make a stroger more stable rear wheel which is great for durability. Can't wait for a test ride myself to experience what you are saying about the 2 gear change "issues" between particullary 4&5. Did you say in your review that the shifting has a delay going into lower or higher gears? I didn’t quite catch what you were saying about that in the video. Thx again for the review😜🚵♂️
@joschmoyo4532
Жыл бұрын
Yes, it could have and should have happened many years ago BUT there is one thing missing from this timely leap forward. A regenerative braking system in the motor. When they come out with that and the rubber belt drive I will get one. It will only require a clutch mechanism to disengage the pedals et Voila !
@do-ineedtosay723
11 ай бұрын
Nice! In the US market, I would like to see a throttle version of this unit. *
@SamsBikes
11 ай бұрын
Maybe one day!
@apfelfred1
Жыл бұрын
Would love to see an light version of this unit. Maybe some hightec plastic gear and half the motor power.
@kevinmortimer1883
Жыл бұрын
very interesting review. whats a bit wierd is the camera angle from the front. You like like an animated rider!!
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Sorry mate you didn’t like the camera angle 📐 it was a very very busy 4 days
@jokermtb
Жыл бұрын
Gearboxes- It’s going to be a $$$$$- end option for the next few years no matter what. The motor gearbox combo is the inevitable destination of ebike evolution
@crush1221
Жыл бұрын
That motor and battery setup looks like it could accomodate a laid down shock and linkage setup. Gimme that and some R&D longevity testing on the motor, 160mm and 29er front and rear and i'm down.
@TrzCinA122
11 ай бұрын
Cool thing, if it wouldn't be e-bike. Hope that Pinion will dominate derailleurs in the future.
@Raumance
Жыл бұрын
960Wh is great because you can do almost a 4 hour FTP endurance ride with it. 750Wh on a Bosch with xc rear tire lasts almost 70km. I'm assuming Pinion is similar battery performance.
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Yep I was very impressed with the range! Also keep in mind if you don’t ride it in full power you will get even more
@Raumance
Жыл бұрын
@@SamsBikes Had not watched the video when I commented. This makes practically certain I'm buying a Pinion next year. No way I'm using a derailleur anymore. Tend to only ride on full power. Only use other modes when I have to extend the range. With endurance FTP rides I aim to just get it over the limiter whenever I can and then keep it there as long as reasonable. Usually around 180-220watts on fairly even to keep the bike going over. It's not optimal for training but I just can't do 3hour+ asfalt rides. I need some trails. The bigger batteries will solve this problem. Well you could just lower the assistance but it's boring crawling along. The fun of ebikes is that everything becomes fun. Use to dread losing altitude on roads wasting it. But on ebikes it's just fun to train cornering.
@akselimuraja9227
Жыл бұрын
Looking at the numbers on range test the Bosch system is still bit more efficient. We get approximately 2000m of elevation in our local trail center on 750wh battery on our heavier Pole Voimas. The climb is more technical and steeper than the one used for the test on this video.
@warlockboyburns
Жыл бұрын
Yes I'm jealous
@BradJohnson60464
Жыл бұрын
if you don't need a derailleur anymore....why would you have a stupid tensioner hanging off the back end?
@scottwhyte2772
Жыл бұрын
When are these coming to Australia?
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Not sure later in the year possibly
@BradJohnson60464
Жыл бұрын
Why would they put the chain tensioner in the back like a derailleur? Put it next to the bottom bracket/motor/gearbox, and point the tensioner up. Better rollover clearance. Lower weight in the rear. Less chance of mangling the tensioner.
@pgee70utube
Жыл бұрын
clunking gears doesn't mean anything if the gear changes are perfect every time. you are used to a bike sounding a certain way and are comparing something new to something you are used to, and making an observation it is somehow wrong. you didn't mention you experienced missed shifts, or grinding/slipping in the gearbox. my pinion 12 speed (manual) gearbox has positive clunks when gears engage, and i think it sounds cool. i agree with the less weight on the back wheel improves the bike handling, i have a zerode katipo with a pinion 9sp. gearbox and it rides really well. + agree with your points about total cost of ownership and maintenance.
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comments and I’m glad you are enjoying your pinion
@Gallardo6669
Жыл бұрын
Stunning technology but using still a chain😂😂😂😂belt!!!??? Great review/background
@RoboticusMusic
Жыл бұрын
They should license the bosch ABS technology.
@mhszminth2387
6 ай бұрын
serious probleme being not able to shift if it runs out from batterypower, until this isn't solved i am not a potential buyer, btw it is fantastic and i can feel the feature in this concept
@gavinsullivan9015
Жыл бұрын
These are super interesting - and if I hadn’t just swapped from a full fat ebike to an SL I’d definitely be looking at one of these for my next bike. I think once you get to 750Wh and this set up most every day riders really wouldn’t need anything else. Then it comes down to cost… In Australia with the dust and the Europe with mud lot to be said for it…
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Mate I was shocked in Adelaide how that fine dust eats chains for breakfast...
@ziul.3124
9 ай бұрын
LETS GOOOOW!!!!❤😂
@bladimirkroutska3707
Жыл бұрын
Stop wasting you time.I have tried everything... Noththing can beat the Bafang when it comes to power.
@samo8204
4 ай бұрын
Sam is there a sweet spot for the travel on bikes for heavier riders or is more always better?
@SamsBikes
4 ай бұрын
Hey mate yes I would say a little more travel couldn’t hurt, send me a PM on instagram and we can chat
@wouldyoudomeakindnes
Жыл бұрын
12 grand for this is a bit on the expensive side. I would love to see the price to come down and compete with Bosch. Perhaps can benefit from further revisions and refinements like the bosch system did over the years
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Yep it’s not that affordable yet but if you look at high end e-bikes it’s not anymore expensive
@TypicalGuy84
Жыл бұрын
If you want to spend 12k on an EV KTM makes some great bikes.
@gideonking3667
Жыл бұрын
Definitely keen, but the price here in Australia is probably going to be ridiculous
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Yep they won’t be cheap! Might be a few years to get to oz
@johnpashos1257
Жыл бұрын
I am so into this. Is going to be my first ebike. I hope the motor will be reliable more than the boss units. Your reviews are amazing and detailed and 100% honest. This is what we need and what new people need that are new to mountain bike. Thank you so much for your efforts and hard work. You are by far the best ❤❤❤❤
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Hey Rider John thanks for the kind words mate! I really appreciate it and any help you need just ask!
@johnpashos1257
Жыл бұрын
@@SamsBikes thank you very much for your time. I have actually a very important question. In my normal bike (Santa Cruz nomad 2020) I usually make with friends about 39-40 kilometers ride. What is the best motor in reliability in your opinion than can support my biking needs. The reason I go to ebikes is my age. I need to save more energy from now on😂😂😂😂
@johnpashos1257
Жыл бұрын
I meant 30-40 kilometres
@thim8009
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if between gear 4 and 5 is kinda like switching the way a front derailleur does?
@ThiagoMarquardt
Жыл бұрын
Yes! This gearbox is 3x4 inside. Two groups of gears. This noise is only when change the second set of gears. Similar to high low transfer case
@Evo836
Жыл бұрын
They still make the common fault of putting the charge port where it gets in the way of the pedal cranks as these bikes need charging so if your looking after the chain or cassette indexing you have to unplug so that's time lost of charging time which takes 5 hours so indexing and preping chain that's time lost. The motor looks very good and ground clearance is good without a big overhang which is a pain on ebikes on roots etc. Also warranty will be very important when this become available as Specialized got there fingers burned as I've had 5 motors and current motor has 2250 miles on it and just waiting for a fail again but as a sports person I ride every day or twice a day when not racing motocross. For the price wheels need to be strong as i run Hope wheels as Roval kept cracking. They should give me a bike to test as I went through 5 coil shocks 4 shoch body cracks and one shaft bent, so I run Fox air X2 shock as the frame was flexing and now the come with air shocks. So my frame broke at the flex point which I took photo's to show the coil rubbing the frame when riding. What is the top speed as well as my non e/bike was slower on top speed until I changed a few things.
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Hey mate thanks for the comment sounds like you are riding hard! The top speed on this bike is 25 like all the others in Europe
@Evo836
Жыл бұрын
@@SamsBikes Thanks Sam looking on there site and it's the way to go as cassette etc are done as e/bike are going to need to move to the Pivot system gearbox as it's price is next level to motocross bikes. I only got into e/bike after blowing my right Femur into 4 bits and need to rebuild my muscles back to my left and the Specialized computer can be tuned via a app for load help as gym work is very limited.
@Raumance
Жыл бұрын
-10mm BB drop. It's okay. Definitely should be 0mm on a 27" wheel. I guess you mean the motor doesn't stick out over the chainring. But it also depends on the suspension and shock. And separate but related issue is crank length. My guess is this suspension doesn't really give that spectacular support for pedaling so with that 10mm BB drop this will be above average but not in great category. Something like axle height on a 29" Pole would probably the leader in the class in the respect of being able to pedal and not getting strikes.
@Evo836
Жыл бұрын
@@Raumance Yes motor overhang as my Specialized Kenovo Expert I run very little rider sag and drop the forks through the clamps to get ground clearance and I run only 27.5 as 29 are too much in tight forest trails.
@MTBrVK
Жыл бұрын
this one going to be important
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@8664antonio
Жыл бұрын
sweet. but you have to add a heavy chain , sprocket and a chain tension.. 700gr?
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
I can’t really comment because I haven’t ridden a belt drive pinion
@ginor8416
Жыл бұрын
I understand this is state of the art gearbox tech and a Rotwild bike, but these prices are out to lunch. I live in Canada so I couldn’t buy one if I wanted to spend the $20K, but I’m hoping Pinion works with lower cost bikes in the future.
@germantoledano1104
Жыл бұрын
15:40 🤣🤣🤣 He is a powerful guy!!
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
haha you know it
@tomquimby8669
Жыл бұрын
I tried the flyer up a steep hill and I found the gear changes 4 and 8 disconcerting plus that dead feel just after the change as you experienced. I really wanted to love this MGU but I am now wondering if it can be improved or I just take on the more powerful sachs RS from NOX and live with the chain and derailleur. Ummm wake up pinion and sort it out (maybe easier said than done.)
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
I thought it was better than I expected yes not perfect yet but it’s only Gen 1
@tomquimby8669
Жыл бұрын
@@SamsBikes I think one of the ways this transpired is pinion have been supplying their gearboxes for a decade and nobody complained but they did not factor in that their products where being powered by weedy humans not a powerful motor. Add a motor into the mix and present that to ebike users and new to the market customers enticed by the clean belt and enclosed gearbox. then the complaints come thick fast and loud. Fantastic that they are trying though looking forward for gen sorted.
@dado304
Жыл бұрын
Harder change is there as gear to rotor is changing. And here is problem, motor is running only over 3 gears, so can not be in good optimal rpms. Comparing to standard rear shifter. But is great idea and piece of art.
@holger_ger3391
9 ай бұрын
It depends...pinion say there will be torque up to 160Nm in the lower gears. That might be also because the engine runs with higher speed in the sweet spot but louder. Other brands have just one gear ratio and therefore has to diced which way to go including noise...
@patrolmaverick
Жыл бұрын
It looks like a good setup. Those straight cut gears are always going to be noisy too. It's just a characteristic of that style of gear teeth. A bit of gear whine beats bent derailleurs any day of the week anyway.
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Yep if I’m picking a bike that’s going to work all the time with zero maintenance 👨🔧 this is the best option
@SolarizeYourLife
10 ай бұрын
I am not a MTBer, but i want this system for a recumbent trike....when are they going to make it available??? Sounds like you need to relieve pressure when changing 4th to 5th gears...
@rawmancemtb
Жыл бұрын
Hey Sam I would've liked to see shifting under load. Like 400-600 watts on pedals.
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Yep I did do that but totally forgot to add it in to the review! It’s very good under power but the problem gears are not.
@rawmancemtb
Жыл бұрын
@@SamsBikes You could just make a separate video about the shifting performance because it's a question many people have. Just was having a conversation about the Pinion on a forum where your video was linked. There really isn't info available. You are the primary source of it.
@Gallardo6669
Жыл бұрын
Great review. Thanks
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks rider
@CliseruGabriel
Жыл бұрын
i'd also add that i'd like the chain tensioner to be mounted upwards for the most idiot proof rock smashing experience.
@yurymleh
Жыл бұрын
Lack of maintenance is welcome for the vast majority of riders. All but hardcore enthusiasts I'd say.
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
I could not agree with you more!
@Raumance
Жыл бұрын
The more you ride, the harder you ride the more destroyed derailleurs you will have. On ebikes it's another level of problem as you can keep speed through all the segments. So you are going fast and you are too tired to always protect the derailleur. I've went through 4 derailleurs in one and a half summers. On a normal bike I didn't break a single derailleur in 12 years of riding. Couple hangers but on less 2 summers of ebike riding also 4 hangers.
@bikernaut1
11 ай бұрын
I would love to see your review of Revonte motor
@deanfenner1
Жыл бұрын
Would you say this is a game changer Sam and worth the money , would u recommend purchasing this tech now or leaving it for a couple of years ?
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
As I said in the review I feel it amazing for more than 50% of ebike riders that just want hassle free riding
@sdigsy4414
Жыл бұрын
@SamsBikes great job Skipp 👍🙏
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks bro
@johns9974
10 ай бұрын
Sam Can we have another review of a production bike in the new year once they are available. Great review, thanks.
@SamsBikes
10 ай бұрын
Absolutely but not sure it will happen
@lav1daloca
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a promising development not quite there yet in implementation but def doable in version 2 or 3. For now ill be watching on the sideline still😂
@davemorgan4524
Жыл бұрын
Was really looking forward to this one! Great job on a totally honest review. I don't think id be put off by the clunk on changes. It seemed very quiet on the descents.....no motor chatter like the ep8? That would be a real plus. Belt drive requires a break in the rear triangular right? Although a belt is appealing on maintenance a tried and trusted chain may be better - very few motorcycles run belts either. Head angle a bit steep? A 180 zeb would slacken that nicely! Still, if i can get one im in.....
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave, it doesnt chatter like the ep8 but there is a clunk on big compressions not sure what it was maybe the battery.
@S14AA
3 ай бұрын
Interesting about the belt vs chain. I think id still go belt 🤔 not that ive tried 1 😅
@bits2646
Жыл бұрын
Love the bike
@silv612
Жыл бұрын
Why would they use a chain? Isnt a key benefit of this getting rid of the chain moving to a maintenance free belt?
@chassdesk
Жыл бұрын
I have been waiting
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
I hope you like it! And like always got any questions just ask!
@NotAnonymousNo80014
Жыл бұрын
The belt had a bit of a delay? You never push back when being had for a fool? The point of a gearbox is not to have maintenance intensive parts and a tensioner arm in the back.
@GLOBc
Жыл бұрын
Super interesting - really like the combine motor/gearbox - how things should be! Was really only interested in your thoughts on the MGU - but the bike itself seems to review well and be a pretty good 'test-bed'. Now, as I've mentioned before, get some power-meter pedals and give us some consistent & relatable metrics to compare PLEASE [look here for how it should be done ;) kzitem.info/news/bejne/zmOBy2mAcICIamU ] The gear-clunk, is more a function of how a gearbox works (shifting multiple cogs on those particular shifts) and NOT a fault which you would usually relate to hearing 'bad noises' on a traditional drive train that is poorly aligned / unmaintained / low-spec components etc... It's nothing to worry about - it's just different. Likewise the motor noise changing (or being more notable) with/in the lower gears - the motor runs before the gearbox getting multiplied through all the gears before combining with your pedal effort thus will make a more 'varied' noise than other 'legacy' (daring term) mid-drive systems....
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate I’ll look at getting come power meter pedals! Who’s paying haha 😆 I kinda like my no scientific 🧪 range test based on my heart rate but let’s see
@GLOBc
Жыл бұрын
@@SamsBikes all the likes & views will help with 'business expenses' LOL Keep up the great reviews!! Keep an eye out on the Roadie ForSale items, as the Rallye pedals can be converted from Road to SPD (can be run as a single pedal even) - and those lycra peeps are always getting the newest stuff. I get what you're saying esp. the ease of the non-scientific approach - but your HR doesn't really mean a lot to the audience, we don't know how fit or strong you are / what your FTP is, if you have a hang-over or knock-back 3 espresso's before a ride....
@Sunday_Jazz
Жыл бұрын
Nice looking bike!
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Sure is!
@mavallarino
Жыл бұрын
Is the “clunk” caused by a range change in the box?
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure
@kcinelad
Жыл бұрын
Sam, do you know if this gearbox motor will able to be fitted to say, existing ebike setups with a bosch motor etc? They look so similar and I think it would be a good way to go for the box. Do you also know if this is going to be just on 1 or 2 brands of bike rather than across the field? Cheers. Good video.
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
Mate I wish all the motors could swap around but that’s never going to happen so I don’t think you can mount this on another mount
@TracySwenson
Жыл бұрын
Very Intriguing. I'm 2 seasons away from a new whip ( I ride a Giant Trance e+1 now) and I'll be looking for something similar to this in the USA. ? does it have the walk mode like many other eMTB motors have?
@SamsBikes
Жыл бұрын
It has the coolest walk mode it actually can push you up the hill on the bike
@lafamillecarrington
6 ай бұрын
This seems like a great bit of engineering - but until it is available on the type of e-bike that I would buy (guess what; I'm not a mountain biker!), that's all it is.
@roneysilveira2153
8 ай бұрын
Many good comments overhere….my concern regarding weight, still to high …..total of 24 kgs !!!!!
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