Pitchfork just watched melon's reviews on these albums and fixed theirs to match him.
@SBRS47
3 жыл бұрын
Are they even Melon's reviews or are they really just Cal's and Anthony takes credit?
@fiscalizacaoletterboxd
3 жыл бұрын
watch this ratio
@grinkobaba9226
3 жыл бұрын
Anthony would never give an album as good as Discovery a 10
@fizzsoduh
3 жыл бұрын
@@fiscalizacaoletterboxd L
@cumnmrmptaaa4234
3 жыл бұрын
Don't give him that
@GodEmperor_
3 жыл бұрын
Pitchfork getting out of their own ass: Discovery is a 10 Pitchfork getting back into their own ass: RAM is now dropped to 6.8
@garvanch9684
3 жыл бұрын
Very strange, definitely some crack was involved.
@MaddyBird666
3 жыл бұрын
Also who tf listens to Daft Punk for the lyrics?
@trentimus5700
3 жыл бұрын
RAM is and was so fucking good
@josephmiller7075
3 жыл бұрын
RAM is great but I think discovery is the better album
@invisibilly1946
3 жыл бұрын
@@MaddyBird666 Around the world around the world around the world around the world around the world around the world around the world around the world around the world around the world around the world around the world
@keshavraghu8446
3 жыл бұрын
Ok Anthony it wasn't necessary to lobby Pitchfork to change their MBDTF score to a 6
@brandonayong5823
3 жыл бұрын
Remember that Kanye line " I don't take advices from people less successful than me" Damn Melon 😂😂😂
@halmiller1208
3 жыл бұрын
😐
@LDVenus-kz2lc
3 жыл бұрын
2:10 - 2:25 Anthony explains his MBDTF review once and for all
@EFUgyrgyr
2 жыл бұрын
Yes it was
@quandaledingle5155
2 жыл бұрын
MBDTF is one of the most overrated albums of all time. Shit not even that good🤷🏿♂️
@loganknox7
3 жыл бұрын
I think Kanye said it best when he said “Pitchfork doesn’t care about black people”
@DjPjX
3 жыл бұрын
"To Pitchfork, Rolling Stone, New York Times, and any other white publication. Please do not comment on black music anymore."
@koffinski
3 жыл бұрын
@@DjPjX a six can really do things to a man
@marshallmathers7131
3 жыл бұрын
So ironic when Pitchfork is kissing Kanye's ass since the last 15 years
@tharwab
3 жыл бұрын
Pitchfork doesn’t care about music, just about generating shit takes for clicks.
@dyivz
3 жыл бұрын
@@DjPjX without “white publications” nobody would know half the “black music” artists…
@therequis94
3 жыл бұрын
Ain’t no way they rescored RAM from an 8.8 to 6.8, Pitchfork still on crack
@layicorn
3 жыл бұрын
*RAM
@tylersquanto8938
3 жыл бұрын
They changed Interpol’s debut from a 9.5 to a 7.0 for whatever reason.
@therequis94
3 жыл бұрын
@@layicorn fixed it my bad, last thing I saw in the review was REM
@Nerdz2
3 жыл бұрын
They bumped up the Discovery score from 6.4 to 10 so they had to makeup for that goodtake somehow.
@8bitdiedie
3 жыл бұрын
@@Nerdz2 It’s like they did it out of spite. “Yeah ok, maybe we made a mistake with our first Discovery review…. but we wouldn’t want you Daft Punk fans to be too happy about it…” * bumps RAM’s score down even lower *
@TheCringinator
3 жыл бұрын
I have never felt more mixed emotions than when I saw Discovery being raised to a 10 but then immediately being followed up by RAM being lowered to a 6.8
@scizor285
3 жыл бұрын
They lowered ram? Wtf
@aMonkeyInaManSuit
3 жыл бұрын
RAM is one of the best albums I have ever heard and felt an 8-10 is a reasonable score to give it. Who the hell thought a 6.8 was an adequate score for the influence and experience you get with that album.
@simons.2281
3 жыл бұрын
@@aMonkeyInaManSuit Yeah, RAM is pretty much a flawless record. I wouldn't take pitchfork and their silly little ratings too serious. After all, it's just the opinion of a couple of people.
@TheDealer1228
3 жыл бұрын
@@aMonkeyInaManSuit "RAM is one of the best albums I have ever heard" Did you just start listening to music last week? What kind of nonsense ass opinion is this?
@gustavrsh
3 жыл бұрын
Discovery is leagues above RAM. Doesn't make RAM a bad album
@Number9Robotic
3 жыл бұрын
Even though it's a score increase, their reassessment of Vroom Vroom really annoys me bc it's SOOOOO stupendously backhanded. Pitchfork have this bizarre presumption that just because Charli, Sophie, and the PC Music camp were being quirky and experimental with their new hyperpop sound, they assumed it was actually some kind of trick and containing some kind of deep satirization of pop formulas that they got pissy at because they couldn't back up, and even with the update, they still frame it as the EP's fault that they overthought it so poorly. like jesus tapdancing christ, it's just pop music designed with the purpose of being FUN. Being fun doesn't need to have this crazy political post-avant-garde analysis to be valid, Pitchfork's adamant belief that everything must be and IS consciously didactic is so headass'd (that also includes their attitude on Daft Punk's RAM -- correct me if I'm misreading, but literally all their reasoning is "RAM didn't change the entire future of music, except in the things that did that we don't like no we're not gonna explain any further what that means") Pitchfork's entire methodology and approach to art is equivalent to asking a dude how he makes friends, and he responds with "well according to my calculations..."
@a-ranw9062
3 жыл бұрын
This was so fun to read
@moodycxnt
3 жыл бұрын
Good post and RIP SOPHIE I think about her a lot.
@fiscalizacaoletterboxd
3 жыл бұрын
ratio
@MostafaElSakari
3 жыл бұрын
Stay mad
@Number9Robotic
3 жыл бұрын
@@MostafaElSakari ...no? Why? What for? I'm just making a point bc I really really love and respect Vroom Vroom and dislike critics who hold and impose nonsensical standards up to it lol
@Jester_851
3 жыл бұрын
I still laugh about how Pitchfork originally gave I Get Wet by Andrew W.K. a 0.6/10 and then changed it to an 8.6/10 ten years later
@johnathanmcdoe
3 жыл бұрын
Take note, it wasn't the original author (the founder of pitchfork no less) of the 0.8 review doing that. That one is still accessible and still a mean spirited, fart sniffing tome of self loathing and projection.
@mrlevinielsen
2 жыл бұрын
Less than a 1. Pretentious goofs.
@P-diddykong
3 жыл бұрын
Giving Discovery a 6.4 in the first place can only be salvaged through Harakiri
@P-diddykong
3 жыл бұрын
Oh, they've given RAM a 6.8 now? Yeah, not even Harakiri can save your honor now, Pitchfork
@ShiroNero94
3 жыл бұрын
@@P-diddykong I like RAM better than Discovery so my face literally contorted in pain as I saw that, WHAT!!!!????
@Guymanbot97
3 жыл бұрын
@@P-diddykong Only shutting down the site and wiping all mentions of it from the internet can save them.
@MiloKuroshiro
3 жыл бұрын
Discovery is great, but RAM is really lukewarm. 6.8 seems fine.
@Guymanbot97
3 жыл бұрын
@@MiloKuroshiro Eh, opinions. Only song I don't really care for is Doin it Right. But even then I feel a two point drop is much. Maybe a one.
@coltsfan354
3 жыл бұрын
Their last complaint with Random Access Memories is that it gave way to Pharrell's Happy, a completely unrelated work, other than that he was on two tracks off this album. Yep, Pitchfork still up to their bullshit.
@bronzewolf6464
3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, thankfully Daft Punk gave such a big platform to unknown artists like... *checks notes* Pharrell fucking Williams
@firstnamelastname7244
Жыл бұрын
Happy's not even that bad 💀
@alguien8335
Жыл бұрын
@@firstnamelastname7244it's fucking bad
@briancollins1296
3 жыл бұрын
The TOTBL re-score is so weird, one because they had already re-scored it (it was still a 9.5), and also because this is a decade-defining album we're talking about. This was Pitchfork's Album of the Year for 2002, lest we forget.
@ZodiacEntertainment2
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah seriously, this is a major L for all the bassists of the world.
@yoosh9034
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it’s not quite as good as Charli XCX’s “Vroom Vroom” unfortunately
@dinglemccringleberry6258
3 жыл бұрын
@@yoosh9034 yea it isn't
@grunk4392
3 жыл бұрын
@@dinglemccringleberry6258 hmu when people are talking about vroom vroom in 2035
@matterslittle4509
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah random and unnecessary eh, like it was in their top 20 of the '00s many years after it came out so wasn't like a fleeting hype album. Still one of the best guitar records of this millennium, no need to disrespect it like that...
@virtuallyunknownn
3 жыл бұрын
Pitchfork literally just gives out the score that is the most “trendy” for them to give an album that way they don’t get backlash for not liking a particular album
@ultimadum7785
3 жыл бұрын
Truth. Just like any other music publication, they only make money by worshipping whatever "classic album" the public likes at the moment.
@HerbaceousM8
3 жыл бұрын
dont they all???
@thecoldopen3654
3 жыл бұрын
True, that's why the pop albums scores go up, and the indie albums scores go down.
@odonah
3 жыл бұрын
100%. grimes is in the news cycle for being cringe? yeaahhh you know what i think that album of hers from a while ago is gonna need a fat rescore all of a sudden
@sledgehammr6615
3 жыл бұрын
@@ultimadum7785 which is exactly why a song like WAP wins a BET award
@HO-yc3pv
3 жыл бұрын
Strongly disagree on TOTBL sounding blander as time passes. I think its minimal sound and gloomy aesthetics make it more relevant than ever.
@StuffedCrows
3 жыл бұрын
@Immortal Science of Hauntology That's a criticism I understand. However, to me, telling Interpol to change up the aesthetic on TOTBL is like telling somon who keeps landing bullseye's that they need to mix it up and miss a few times. It's an album that has had a massive effect on me personally and no one else quite keeps that feeling going as consistently and long as Interpol does. Though I am always willing to listen to anything that can claim to.
@adamjudge7974
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. It honestly sounds better now than it did when it came out. Even in the midst of all the bland ripoffs that followed, it still sounds towers so much of the indie rock that came out that decade. Immortal album..
@boheyo
3 жыл бұрын
I always really loved the first half but the back half was a slog.
@colinstevens2462
2 жыл бұрын
Her stories are boring and stuff
@dietrichdowning9883
2 жыл бұрын
@@colinstevens2462 that song was literally in my head when i read this lol
@___Nightbreeze
3 жыл бұрын
Them dropping Daft Punk's RAM to that is ridiculous. Same goes for Interpol.
@matthewchauvin650
3 жыл бұрын
I mean I can see turn on the bright lights not holding up quiet as well but a 7 feels too harsh, an 8 woulda made more sense to me
@dj_matanzaa
3 жыл бұрын
Same goes for Big Boi, I am shocked and disappointed anybody would say otherwise. No reason to revisit that album’s score.
@jvictor3048
3 жыл бұрын
@@dj_matanzaa Honestly, out of all their rescores that one is probably the least egregious to me. I wouldn't have lowered it to a 7.7 but I never would've given it the 9.2 it actually got either.
@kedsarama
3 жыл бұрын
Pitchfork should be charged with a crime for lowering the scores for Random Access Memories and Turn On the Bright Lights.
@jaydenrock
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah the Interpol score being lowered to a 8.5 from a 9.5 is understandable, but really Pitchfork?
@Arcticneo_
3 жыл бұрын
I will never forgive Pitchfork for giving The Strokes’ The New Abnormal a 5.7
@campoindustria9144
3 жыл бұрын
That is right! It was a 2.0.
@Arcticneo_
3 жыл бұрын
@@campoindustria9144 lmaoo ok
@Trace0805
3 жыл бұрын
Eh...that record's just ok.
@ShadowRM72
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, for me the album is less remarkable than others of the Strokes, but it's still a 7, a score that isn't incredible but still totally acceptable
@Arcticneo_
3 жыл бұрын
@@ShadowRM72 yeah, pitchfork scores it lower than Comedown Machine and First Impressions of Earth. makes no sense
@iconoclastic-fantastic
3 жыл бұрын
TOTBL is easily one of my most listened to albums of all time. the disrespect,,
@palliperse4146
3 жыл бұрын
what does TOTBL stand for?
@SeanSeanson
3 жыл бұрын
That one hurt
@palliperse4146
3 жыл бұрын
i'm sorry lol but i wanna know, people seem to like it so might aswell listen to it
@yungteddytot5390
3 жыл бұрын
@@palliperse4146 turn on the bright lights by interpol
@palliperse4146
3 жыл бұрын
@@yungteddytot5390 thank you
@RoaringPirates
3 жыл бұрын
Was surprised no re-score for Demon Days, literally one of the best and most iconic albums of the 2000s, which they gave a 6.9.
@amarevanhook7453
3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@PondOfGlue
3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@Tirgo69
3 жыл бұрын
I like Demon Days and a 7 isn't that unfair a score for it imo
@dantdma932
3 жыл бұрын
@Adam Beckner Maybe in your opinion.
@catloaff
3 жыл бұрын
Say what you want about Demon Days (L to all of you contrarians ngl) but there's no way The Single Collections (which is just a compilation of singles and remixes) got a 7.9/10. Just so confusing
@Brickfall
3 жыл бұрын
And yet their score for Vespertine remains a 7.2, good job as always p4k
@borreguitosdenube
3 жыл бұрын
They are crazy
@cellfractionation
3 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget the 7.7 for the dreaming
@jmckenzie962
3 жыл бұрын
@@cellfractionation What?! If anything I thought that'd be an album they'd really like
@shiningnightmare5616
3 жыл бұрын
Both of them are literally Top 5 Art Pop Rym Cool Pitchfork
@cellfractionation
3 жыл бұрын
@@jmckenzie962 yup They didn’t even throughly explain why it’s a 7.7 instead of a 9 or something like that. They just dismissed it as a transitional album of some sort smh
@marcus2271
3 жыл бұрын
I actually think the BTD score change was warranted. One of its biggest critiques when it came out was that it didn’t have lasting power and would fade like every trend does. Yet it’s spent 400 weeks (as of now) on the billboard top 200. It’s not Lana’s best record, but it’s lasting power is undeniable.
@matthewstanulet1441
3 жыл бұрын
Random Access Memories going from an 8.8 to a 6.8 is a crime against humanity. So is Turn on the Bright Lights going from 9.5 to 7.0.
@franklingoodwin
3 жыл бұрын
Its not an 88 (a little too high) but it's at least a high 70s IMHO
@RayyanKhanRayyanKhan
3 жыл бұрын
@@franklingoodwin bro No they're 100s
@dj_matanzaa
3 жыл бұрын
Big Boi’s other albums weren’t as great but I’ll be damned if anybody disrespects Sir Lucious Left Foot! Name a more eclectic hip hop album!
@Diatonic5th
2 жыл бұрын
Pitchfork hasn't been relevant for the past 10 years. I would rate them a 3.4 at best.
@spiriter16
3 жыл бұрын
They also rescored Björks "Homogenetic" to a 10 a few years ago in regards to its 20th Birthday. They originally gave it a 5.4 xDD
@mallroyfoxisgayyy366
Жыл бұрын
THEY GAVE IT A WHAT?
@samuelthiex
Жыл бұрын
they gave it a 9.9 and changed it to a 10 lol
@jack-uv6mt
3 ай бұрын
Homogenic
@TheLuiscelaya
3 жыл бұрын
Changing RAM and Turn on the Bright Lights scores down is beyond idiotic in my opinion
@angelsbagels780
3 жыл бұрын
It's not an opinion, it's a fact.
@themandownstairs4765
3 жыл бұрын
It's a good thing you never change your scores Anthony *coughs in mbdtf redux*
@JaredEMitchell
3 жыл бұрын
Imagine rating Deloused in the Comatorium a 4.9 and Frances the Mute a 2.0 and thinking that doesn't need revision
@greenbear1561
3 жыл бұрын
Two words: Tool Lateralus
@SilversteinRescue
3 жыл бұрын
Definitely their most offensive scores
@OneBigMyoma
3 жыл бұрын
The comment I was looking for
@mattobrien4161
3 жыл бұрын
Top of the morning melon
@deborahwilkerson7388
Жыл бұрын
Top of the morning Top of the morning Top of the morning
@lomstair7546
Жыл бұрын
Top of the morning to ya too
@Frenchiedog
3 жыл бұрын
Not sure how they can still justify giving NIN - The Fragile and Tool - Lateralus 2/10 scores. Two of the most beloved and influential metal albums ever.
@johnwayne1091
3 жыл бұрын
changing the RAM rating to a 6.8 is a crime
@vvvictoriav5958
3 жыл бұрын
thats one of the few i agree with. its fucking boring as shit
@SantanaThePM
3 жыл бұрын
@@vvvictoriav5958 nah
@Cheddar_Wizard
3 жыл бұрын
Discovery is better, but RAM’s the next up. I think 8/10 is an incredibly reasonable rating for the quality of that album.
@campoindustria9144
3 жыл бұрын
@@vvvictoriav5958 It's not boring, at least half of the record is extremely good. But it's not a 8.8. 6.8 is very low. 7.5 would be a good score.
@jaketaz2848
3 жыл бұрын
This is why I like your reviews. You give your opinion, and your reasons for your opinions. If you change your score, it's because you changed your opinion. Pitchfork is magnifying their irrelevance as a critical outlet, they are openly acknowledging that they are changing scores based on reasons having nothing to do with the content of the albums. Hey folks, guess what? You don't have to do retractions like this if you do your original review based on the content of the album, instead of scoring according to the reaction that you want to provoke from your readers.
@TheSkaOreo
3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, it’s probably for that reason why they didn’t “canonize” these scores, because it’s unavoidable that public perception is probably a key factor in these changes. Basically, listening to Discovery back in 2000 is muuuch different than listening to Discovery in 2021. Though yeah they did RAM dirty. The fuck wow that?
@fenestrapain
3 жыл бұрын
This.
@fluidikons
3 жыл бұрын
Yes this. Even with their helm change out.
@boheyo
3 жыл бұрын
Sure but Fantano is one guy, he's inherently going to be a lot more consistent than a rotating group of people.
@bozfoogle
2 жыл бұрын
Pitchfork's reviewing system is somewhat bizarre in that while the text is written by an individual, the score is an aggregate of scores given by the entire editorial staff. This has resulted in more than a few reviews where the text and the score are wildly mismatched. I'd say this article is at least partly a result of staff turnover.
@lukamagicc
3 жыл бұрын
Lowering Random Access Memories to a 6.6 should be punishable by execution
@LG1204
3 жыл бұрын
Year 20 of waiting for Pitchfork to change that Lateralus score of 1.9 to at least an 8.5.
@aMondayMorning
7 ай бұрын
I had to look this up to see if this was real. Absolutely disgusting.
@noaheast7600
3 жыл бұрын
Nah Born To Die definitely needed a score change. Especially since it's one of the more influential pop records of the past decade.
@Bellowfish
3 жыл бұрын
The fact that they dropped TOTBL from a 9.5 to a 7 for having ‘bad’ lyrics and sounding like a bland ripoff is almost infuriating. It’s one of the best albums to come out of the whole early 2000s post punk and garage rock revival era.
@cameron9385
3 жыл бұрын
The lyrics are pretty bad though!
@pretendwilliams3525
3 жыл бұрын
@@cameron9385 nah obstacle 1 has amazing lyrics. also stella was a diver has cool lyrics. i think the lyrics overall are far from bad
@HasClipz
3 жыл бұрын
@@cameron9385 always got the so bad that it's good vibe from any interpol lyric
@cameron9385
3 жыл бұрын
@@pretendwilliams3525 That specific song feels to me like a kid reading out really awkward, bad middle school poetry in English class (both from the vocal delivery and the lyrics). I mean "she can read, she's bad" and "I wish I could eat the salt off of your faded lips" really don't do it for me. I like the hooks lyrics though they're alright
@cameron9385
3 жыл бұрын
@@HasClipz I can respect that!
@Blackenedin92
3 жыл бұрын
Don't let any of this distract you from the fact that lateralus still holds a 1.9 on pitchfork
@SH-ry2xi
3 жыл бұрын
Yea, no. Tool sucks
@ileutur6863
3 жыл бұрын
@@SH-ry2xi >Is subscribed to a bunch of rappers
@SH-ry2xi
3 жыл бұрын
@@ileutur6863 keep crying and telling yourself Fear Inoculum was good.
@MajorShmoopy
3 жыл бұрын
My favorite Pitchfork Moment is reading that review trashing how pretentious Tool fans are (which they are, don't get me wrong), then jumping over to their Radiohead reviews written at the exact same time without any irony
@nikeneon3188
2 жыл бұрын
@@MajorShmoopy ''Radiohead is as good as dead baby'' Pitchfork
@mandel94
3 жыл бұрын
I think some of the re-reviews hit the nail on the head - Son of Chico Dusty, Vroom Vroom, and Discovery for example. However, downgrading RAM really surprised me. They dock it for not being as "pivotal" as Discovery, when I really don't think an homage album with "memories" in the title is aiming for being pivotal or inventive in any way. I re-listened to the album when Daft Punk broke up, and I think it really holds up - the production is flawless, the tracklist feels varied and yet coherent, and Touch and Giorgio by Moroder are some of my favorite tracks of the 10's.
@dylant6522
3 жыл бұрын
The Vroom Vroom re-review is really painful to read tho lol
@Jf2jf2jf2
3 жыл бұрын
Ram is shit compared to everything else they did
@walalang1297
3 жыл бұрын
@@Jf2jf2jf2 I really like the mix of the synths with the funky/groovy guitars in RAM. Personally I think it holds up pretty well with the rest of their discog.
@zackzallie8735
3 жыл бұрын
@@Jf2jf2jf2 You be shitting me if you think Human After All is better than RAM.
@omu6740
3 жыл бұрын
@@Jf2jf2jf2 i like HAA more than most people but RAM surpasses Human After All in so many ways, but to each their own
@ChewyRibbit
3 жыл бұрын
lowering RAM is a huge yikes
@snackpickleson9006
3 жыл бұрын
If anything it’s creeped closer to a 10 over the years imo
@calebdonaldson8770
3 жыл бұрын
"19 Album Scores We'd Change If We Could" What do you mean 'if you could'?! You're Pitchfork! You created the scores, so you can change them whenever you damn well please! You don't have treat this like it's an act of sacrilege. Sheesh.
@omega4269
3 жыл бұрын
If Pitchfork can do it then so can you... waiting on that 10 for the NAV album
@nathanmontgomery1516
3 жыл бұрын
Shut up about nav
@ramenbroth
3 жыл бұрын
@@nathanmontgomery1516 no
@TeaRektum
3 жыл бұрын
Bruh o almost shat out my tea
@ArchibaldClumpy
3 жыл бұрын
"Our review, which was written as a screenplay, focused more on the band's then-recent appearance on Dawson's Creek than the actual music." That's like what I'd write if I was parodying Pitchfork apologizing for their early era.
@ResevoirGod
3 жыл бұрын
They need to review the New Abnormal by the Strokes score also
@NB-qr2rt
3 жыл бұрын
7/10 for TOTBL is a great troll move.
@radhinkabagaskara5595
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, what the fuck was that
@conrad9race1
3 жыл бұрын
Why is it? whats the backgroud?
@Trace0805
3 жыл бұрын
@@conrad9race1 Someone who doesn't get Jim Morrison listens to an album by Interpol.
@NB-qr2rt
3 жыл бұрын
@@radhinkabagaskara5595 I spat my drink out when I saw that score
@NB-qr2rt
3 жыл бұрын
@@conrad9race1 Pitchfork have given TOTBL a 9.5 twice. They also named it their AOTY in 2002.
@8BitRip
3 жыл бұрын
Daft punk RAM was the most influential record in my teenage years. It hurts to see it disrespected like this
@leonardo9259
3 жыл бұрын
@@chiarosuburekeni9325 read again
@revengeintokyo
3 жыл бұрын
@@chiarosuburekeni9325 reading skills 100
@8bitdiedie
3 жыл бұрын
Same 😭 The production and mastering on the album is just… crystal clear perfection to my ears.
@Moh-ib2zp
3 жыл бұрын
This comment makes me feel old...
@abrentwalker
3 жыл бұрын
RAM pales against Discovery and Alive 2007
@moodycxnt
3 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, Wikipedia will have to update all of these scores to respect the faceless dweebs at Pitchfork while refusing to respect Anthony as a legitimate reviewer
@yosemitesam106
3 жыл бұрын
i can't believe Christgau's bullshit is recognized by Wikipedia but Fantano isn't. Christgau's reviews are fucking terrible and even though Fantano disappears up his ass sometimes, he usually backs it up, even if his reasons are shit. Christgau doesn't even do that, cause his writing is just shit
@tite93
3 жыл бұрын
Is Anthony not recognized by wiki because he doesn't publish reviews in text form or is there some other reason for that?
@isaacthered
3 жыл бұрын
@@tite93 He doesn't have an editorial staff and self-publishes his reviews, meaning that he can technically say whatever he wants without fact-checking or quality control.
@Manamanamana36
3 жыл бұрын
@@isaacthered yeah fact-check his opinion on music. Fuck those guys
@kateedwards9336
3 жыл бұрын
So elated to see Room on Fire get a bump up. What a fantastic record
@RayyanKhanRayyanKhan
3 жыл бұрын
To me it has more complex and sophisticated songwriting but also retains the same catchiness / nostalgia of the debut. Perfect album.
@groomedtodie
3 жыл бұрын
Same here. It gets overshadowed by their debut but it's definitely the better album. Same for Interpol's Antics.
@fluidikons
3 жыл бұрын
@@groomedtodie I second that Antics notion
@jadusdoe8470
3 жыл бұрын
Pitchfork has also stated that Anthony Fantano is the meanest person for giving MBDTF a 6/10
@Cheddar_Wizard
3 жыл бұрын
But he is. I’ll never forgive him for not agreeing with me. That is an unforgivable sin that can never be washed away. You either agree with me, or get fucked. I’m very mature.
@shiningnightmare5616
3 жыл бұрын
@@Cheddar_Wizard Get fcked? 😳 Ummm.... I think MBDTF is 5/10 sir
@jadusdoe8470
3 жыл бұрын
@@Cheddar_Wizard Exactly! 😡
@Cheddar_Wizard
3 жыл бұрын
@@shiningnightmare5616 You tryna get cute with me Shiny?
@lifeafter2020istrash
3 жыл бұрын
@@Cheddar_Wizard stop lying it’s a sin.
@reecelaroche
3 жыл бұрын
As a Tool fan, the 1.9 they gave Lateralus made me lose all respect for pitchfork
@TheMightofDab
3 жыл бұрын
I stop listening to Pitchfork when they gave Bowser & the Giant peach a 3 out of 10
@Howitgoes799
3 жыл бұрын
A FUCKING 1.9!!!
@milos1967
3 жыл бұрын
I stopped listening to pitchfork when they said bubsy 3D sucks.
@transa9755
3 жыл бұрын
I have no idea about that......in overrall professional critics have barely idea , i mean, they dont have enough knowledge, enough open mind, never listen them. Pd. Lateralus is 5/5 stars......
@ghoulannabanana
3 жыл бұрын
What in the actual fuck?! I had to google that, who doesn't come out of that album having experienced how special it is? Lat is probably in my top 5 albums ever, that score is such bullshit lmfao.
@vicjames3256
3 жыл бұрын
Ugh was waiting for a rescore of The Mars Volta albums - clearly someone there hated their guts in the aughts, along with other very specific genres.
@zxzxmatheus
3 жыл бұрын
the random access memories one really hurt, the score was fine the way it was.
@lorebroker52
3 жыл бұрын
Turn on the Bright Lights is a masterpiece. This is an outrage!!!
@thom7433
3 жыл бұрын
Lets not forget the fact that they didn't changed Tool and The Mars Volta. Also WTF with that new Interpol review
@8bitdiedie
3 жыл бұрын
Prog-Rock fans won’t be reading Pitchfork anytime soon so Pitchfork has nothing to gain in “apologizing” for their scores.
@bort_p
3 жыл бұрын
The sheer smugness of that Mars Volta review bothers me the most
@TheMagicalArden
3 жыл бұрын
We'll never forgive them for giving Lateralus a 2 and Frances the Mute like a 4. They complained about how "stuck up" Frances was- I mean... I get what your saying- while also being incredibly stuck up. Wow. Imagine my shock.
@maplesyrup4881
3 жыл бұрын
Frances got a 2
@planej6315
3 жыл бұрын
They gave Lateralus a WHAT
@leosthes364
3 жыл бұрын
Bro Pitchfork just hates TMV lmao Deloused and Frances had hella bad reviews like wtf those are the best Prog albums of the last two decades
@troycherrington4223
3 жыл бұрын
When I saw this article on Pitchfork earlier, my first thought was, "did they change Frances the Mute?" Nope. It's a 2 by the way.
@loathy4528
3 жыл бұрын
Gave Tool's Lateralus a 1.6/10
@fablejoey3666
3 жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw the title my instant thought was "Please say Discovery's score is changed."
@Guymanbot97
3 жыл бұрын
And what was it once RAM got a LOWER SCORE
@luccacamillo
3 жыл бұрын
@Quint0ni0 to be honest, I never liked how over-dramatic RAM sounds, songs like Giorgio by Moroder, Touch, Game of Love... I'm fine without ever listening to them again...
@leonardo9259
3 жыл бұрын
@@luccacamillo yeah, they are good, but for like 3-4 times, then they are just very bland lounge music
@MelMelodyWerner
3 жыл бұрын
thanks, asshole. the monkey's paw uncurled a finger and RAM got blasted.
@fablejoey3666
3 жыл бұрын
@@MelMelodyWerner aye I didn't have any part in that. RAM is bangin. Touch is like one of my favorite songs of all time.
@meerkatman2979
3 жыл бұрын
I haven't ever really paid any attention to Pitchfork as a music publication. Good to know I haven't missed anything, they're literally on crack.
@ChadYu
3 жыл бұрын
RAM being decreased to a 6.8 hurts my feelings
@ZyxthePest
3 жыл бұрын
I'd have more respect for Pitchfork if their reviews weren't written like a college freshman's hot take corner. The scores are arbitrary to me. I could wildly disagree with them and still respect the outcome IF the writing backed it up. EDIT: OK, Rilo Kiley record did get me a bit. So uh...good work. Science Vs. Romance is amazing.
@treebendsinthewind
3 жыл бұрын
Fantano is leagues better than Pitchdork: Change my mind
@marshallbarrows5626
3 жыл бұрын
Pitchfork is pretty cool both are pretty cool
@ihavenoideahelp5239
3 жыл бұрын
Pitchfork has dumbass takes, fantano explains his points, i def dont agree with his taste but i still enjoy watchin him
@tf6026
3 жыл бұрын
I kinda disagree he’s one guy so there’s less diversity of opinion however consuming a wide variety of music criticism is important so he’s just as valuable
@Cheddar_Wizard
3 жыл бұрын
Pitchfork has to be one of the most awful, nonsensical group of music critics I’ve ever come across. I’m constantly confused as to what rubric, or motivation is behind their scores. Some of their reviews are straight obnoxious.
@treebendsinthewind
3 жыл бұрын
Offering a $100 bounty for anyone with pictures of Pitchfork staff holding their toes up to speakers
@sassytabasco
3 жыл бұрын
I think revising criticism for reasons outside the realm of just simply enjoying the music is so unbelievably pretentious. That's like reviewing the videogame Portal, and underrating it because you hate "the cake is a lie" memes. I think they're unintentionally reminding everyone of why they aren't a trustworthy outlet for honest opinions.
@jakelong4271
3 жыл бұрын
Portal 2 is the best game ever made hands down.
@lordbauer5983
2 жыл бұрын
@@jakelong4271 It’s my subjective opinion that this is an objective take.
@mooommo14
3 жыл бұрын
That random access memories rescore is a straight up insult. It was way more accessible than their other albums and way more successful, while still having some absolutely wicked grooves.
@nym5qu17
3 жыл бұрын
turn on the bright lights is one of the best rock albums of all time as far as I'm concerned
@edson152
3 жыл бұрын
Vroom Vroom at least deserves a 11
@awookieandagerman
3 жыл бұрын
My thing with these big review magazines is they'll always have this defect where, when they review a record poorly and get a lot of criticism for it, especially if that criticism lasts for years and the record becomes influential or popular to any significant extent, the magazine has no reason not to go back and "change" the review or the score or simply start putting it on best of lists and such. This is because, since they rely on the collective opinion of the writers and staff at the magazine, the one guy who didn't like it when it came out, wrote the review, and later left the magazine doesn't have any influence over what they think of the record years down the road. With a solo reviewer, the initial review is less likely to change and therefore has more lasting meaning. What I really want to know reading or watching a review is whether or not the reviewer likes it, not what the collective population thinks about it. That way I can get a feel for the reviewer's taste and understand what's likely to score well with them and what's likely to be criticized. Then when they score something well I'll already have an understanding of what makes a record good for them and, comparing against my own concept of what makes a record good, I'll have a good idea or whether or not I myself might like it. With a big magazine, where different writers have can wildly different opinions and tastes, it's much more difficult for me to know if I'll like something based on how they review it. Just my thought process on this.
@inflago
3 жыл бұрын
This is a great point. I like Fantano, but I know there are certain areas and genres where we are just going to forever agree to disagree, and that's fine. But I have a general impression of what a good and bad score mean to Fantano. Can't say the same about Pitchfork, Rolling Stone, etc.
@JoshLeitzel
Жыл бұрын
Just popping in to say you nailed it. Why I’m so glad we have KZitem and other forms of social media now to be able to follow individuals whose tastes and perspectives may align close to our own or are at least, as much as a human mind can be, relatively consistent. I don’t agree with fantano on plenty of takes, but one thing that I can say is I’m always interested to hear his opinions because you actually have a concept of what makes him tick, unlike many faceless music journalists. No disrespect intended, but I like having that personal connection particularly when it comes to discussing music.
@falconreign9158
3 жыл бұрын
TOTBL should've been a 10 to start with and should still be a 10 smh
@falconreign9158
3 жыл бұрын
@ghost mall Yea, I see what you mean. I just got so heated from their score.
@elyy0345
3 жыл бұрын
The nerve of including Interpol in their most influential artists of the past 25 years and then doing this lmao
@7th808s
2 жыл бұрын
I seem to agree with most of these, which makes me think Pitchfork truly got out of their asses. Lana del Rey should even be higher, I don't care that the quality is less than optimal, I don't even like any of her music, but that thing has had an incredible influence on the '10s.
@topbins2883
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly was hoping they acknowledge the 1.9 for Lateralus
@lepkember6913
3 жыл бұрын
Same. Unfortunately, they are massive contrarians, so they probably wont change their minds on their minds on their most hated reviews, just out of spite.
@Nerdz2
3 жыл бұрын
@@lepkember6913 theyre not contrarians they just hate nerdjock shit like Tool (I like Tool but thats what it is) Theyre way too twee and indie
@ileutur6863
3 жыл бұрын
@@Nerdz2 no its not. The "nerdjock" thing is based purely off their annoying fanbase, not the music or their behaviour
@Nerdz2
3 жыл бұрын
@@ileutur6863 if you dont think their music attracts a certain fanbase then how else would it get that way
@JammuRecordsTV
3 жыл бұрын
@@lepkember6913 i like how some people in the comments are like "i got no respect for pitchfork cuz they are just trendy fucks bowing down to the masses" and some people are like "i got no respect for pitchfork cuz they are spity contrarians going against common taste to spike attention"
@dickridinhater7816
3 жыл бұрын
I highly disagree with Interpol getting a lower score. The drumming and basslines are extremely groovy, hypnotic, influential and classic the record just never gets old. The lyrics are great and still relevant to this day. The atmosphere they create is moody and sad but beautiful and bold without being too vague or too washed out. Sonically, I believe its in the top 10 best sounding post punk albums of all time no debate this was mixed and mastered to perfection. The songwriting isn't the most unique thing but that doesn't mean the songs aren't well written or performed well. Pretty much every song is memorable and catchy. Even if not that memorable... songs like "Untitled" and "Hands Away" are still at least intriguing or somewhat captivating. Maybe songs like "She Was Always Down" and "The New" are a bit too long but still phenomenal songwriting and singing on both songs. Also, the album has a great balance of tenders moments and aggressive moments. The outros they added to songs elevated the song and made for some rewarding detours or add different dynamics to the songs. Their debut is at least a 9 or a perfect 10. Once you play this album and get a custom to the album ...most likely you'll play it for the rest of your life. There's always songs on here you can revisit and enjoy.
@ubelsimp
3 жыл бұрын
How about you change your “The Big Day” score to a 10 because it has Hot Shower. Objectively the best song ever created. And if you don’t… watch out because I got muscles like Superman trainer and I also jump stomp-stomp on Lucifer, Satan. Tread lightly melon boy.
@jdwilliams202000
3 жыл бұрын
Wilco rescore was needed. That record has some of the best guitar work in the last 20 years!
@fluidikons
3 жыл бұрын
It's weird to say but we have Television to thank for that.
@matikobudy
3 жыл бұрын
I like how 1.9 for Lateralus is such a meme now that they haven't changed the score
@johnadams9514
3 жыл бұрын
Pitchfork has still never said one good thing about The Mars Volta lol
@reallyscaryrob2429
3 жыл бұрын
Damn shame
@brandonayong5823
3 жыл бұрын
" Every CD the critics give it a 3 then 3 years later they go back and re grade it and call the slim shady LP the greatest The marshall Mathers was a classic The Eminem show was fantastic But Encore just didn't have the calibre to match it " A hugely underrated Em song right there
@teamkockroach4080
3 жыл бұрын
Encore has aged much worse than SSLP/MMLP/TES though
@brandonboughton_000
3 жыл бұрын
Careful what you wish for
@Mackarony5
3 жыл бұрын
The correct lyric is “Go back and re-rate it”.
@jago7467
3 жыл бұрын
@@teamkockroach4080 Nah I like Encore, it’s just eminem being a goofball but I’ll take that over his newer shit. As ridiculous as it is I think it’s a good album definitely underrated IMO
@Cheddar_Wizard
3 жыл бұрын
@@jago7467 I’d agree with you and say Encore’s goofiness paid off in some capacity. Still a mess, but it has its moments.
@Kedai610
3 жыл бұрын
Kinda sad to not get your reaction to the Wilco score change. Sky Blue Sky is a decent record but I was surprised they re-graded it that high, while they left their middling AGIB rating alone.
@DavySolaris
3 жыл бұрын
For real, I'll take AGiB over YHF
@jdee0
3 жыл бұрын
AGiB score is criminal. Hard agree.
@lonecycle4849
3 жыл бұрын
AGiB forever.
@psychobabble11111
3 жыл бұрын
sky blue sky is fantastic. it was great at the time, has only got better.
@failtolawl
3 жыл бұрын
I'm like 90% sure they pre-write their reviews, sort of a shit on the artist and try to cancel them but then write like 2 paragraphs about the music itself.
@TheOnlyKingOfSpades
3 жыл бұрын
Born to die is a clean 10 any other score is objectively incorrect
@Madvillainy91
3 жыл бұрын
They should change their scores on a couple clipping. albums
@gtabro1337
2 жыл бұрын
They gave Discovery 6.4??? The record was banging with fresh sounds then and it still holds up now, who was writing at Pitchfork at the time like bruh
@beno6496
3 жыл бұрын
Pitchfork: Peppa Pig 6.5 Donda 6 There you have it folks 🙂
@aryamanchauhan2906
3 жыл бұрын
Pitchfork should change every single score of NAV's album to a 10. For me the greatest artist of all time and it's not even close.
@davetwo7
3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@aryamanchauhan2906
3 жыл бұрын
@@davetwo7 Yes
@muktasaha4302
3 жыл бұрын
LOL the rescore of RAM pretty much amounts to "no one listens to it" what a joke.
@ToLWaM
3 жыл бұрын
Their rescore of Random Access Memories is a crime against humanity
@falloutboy691
3 жыл бұрын
Let's Argue: Pitchfork is the IGN of the music industry.
@jens2049
3 жыл бұрын
Anthony, Lanas earlier work is great, you just don;t get it and thats okay. Pitchfork got that one right to correct
@danielbroadway1022
3 жыл бұрын
Born to Die is the 2nd longest charting female debut of all time! It's influence is still being felt today. It definitely deserved the up score. Her voice sounds amazing too! Pitchfork should also up score Blood Orange - Negro Swan and St. Vincent - Daddy's Home. Both underrated af.
@braianchavez5523
3 жыл бұрын
no
@aarts3777
2 жыл бұрын
@@braianchavez5523 yes
@MyBeautifulDarkTwistedFantasy6
3 жыл бұрын
Turn on the bright lights is one of the greatest albums ever made, personally my third favorite album of all time
@goob8945
3 жыл бұрын
I wonder what your favourite is
@MyBeautifulDarkTwistedFantasy6
3 жыл бұрын
@@goob8945 Amnesiac by Radiohead
@r0nnoc11
3 жыл бұрын
I wonder what you’re first favorite album is 🤔
@MyBeautifulDarkTwistedFantasy6
3 жыл бұрын
@@ozarkecologies how? obviously it’s considered a classic for a reason. I use neither of those platforms btw. the toxicity is rampant.
@auberginedreams00
3 жыл бұрын
@@ozarkecologies lol what? It’s okay for your opinion to overlap with /mu/ or whoever else’s, that doesn’t mean you stole their taste that just means you both like a thing. I love TOTBL and I’ve never been on /mu/.
@rustyshackleford7929
3 жыл бұрын
Seeing Discovery get the 10 it deserves followed by that disgusting RAM score drop was like finding $20 on the ground and then immediately dropping your wallet in the sewer 🤢
@CLaw-tb5gg
3 жыл бұрын
Didn’t Pitchfork knock up I Get Wet by Andrew WK from 0.6 to 8.6?
@fadedidentity
3 жыл бұрын
my heart just about stopped when they dropped Turn On the Bright Lights down to a 7. easily one of the best rock albums of all time, and it helped shape and define the sound of 2000s indie rock. the album has this dark and melancholic, yet very cool and stylish sound that I just can’t get enough of. big disagree 👎🏼
@davidrowe762
3 жыл бұрын
Fantano I'll have you know that Back From The Dead by Keith Cozart is indeed a well groomed and well sequenced mixtape
@casualsoundenjoyer
2 жыл бұрын
And Pitchfork still manages to be the worst music critic ever. I didn’t like RAM at first (I like it now), but Pitchfork giving it a *6.8* hurts so much.
Now they just need to stop making reviews all together. With some of these reviews they don't even discuss the album once, and just talk about their gripes with the artist or genre they make. Prime example their Mars Volta reviews. The person who reviewed one of the records even admitted they don't even like Prog Rock. Fantano at least despite some bias he might have at least tries to tackle the album itself and has some respect for the genre/movement.
@marshallbarrows5626
3 жыл бұрын
It’s a site that is curated by editors, there’s multitudes of opinions that are put up there because if we had the same people reviewing albums it’d be a little stale.
@ilovecody7514
3 жыл бұрын
@@marshallbarrows5626 You can do that while at least having the decency to actually review the album instead of just talking about current events.
@xylin3683
3 жыл бұрын
It's a shame they didn't revise their review for Aphex Twin's "Drukqs". The album is a masterpiece and so ahead of it's time.
@Hasuo2001
8 ай бұрын
me too. I'm glad that many Aphex Twin fans rate this album very highly now.
@frankrogers2968
3 жыл бұрын
No mention of Sky Blue Sky? I applaud Pitchfork's reassessment of that album, but a 7.0 for Turn on the Bright Lights? That score doesn't accurately reflect how influential the album has been, particularly in the 2000s.
@splitsseconds9965
3 жыл бұрын
Who is more insufferable fantano or pitchfork?
@poindexterorozco
3 жыл бұрын
Lana Del Rey's Born To Die is one of the longest charting albums in Billboard herstory, while you said "it doesn't have a lot of lasting power." Let's concede that you are objectively wrong on this one.
@StudioScarecrow
3 жыл бұрын
I love how pop fans always have to rely on the “but look at its chart success!!!!” argument because they don’t have anything else
@valterssluka1945
3 жыл бұрын
@@StudioScarecrow bestie its not like lana is a basic pop artist. and even if she was, pop is as good as any other genre of music.
@milicad1770
3 жыл бұрын
@@StudioScarecrow fatano said that no one will listen born to die and he was completely wrong, do u understand now?
@poindexterorozco
3 жыл бұрын
@@StudioScarecrow I was reacting to a specific comment Fantano made about lasting power, to which Del Rey has proven wrong by the only objective measure we have. As for "not having anything else," the album is one of the most influential albums of the 2010s. That is shown by the negative initial reactions, then the growning embrace of the album over time. What does your music have? A grammy? A cult following of middle class men with erectile disfunction? Because those are not always a metric of quality either. Also, don't knock chart success, it is a direct reflection of how well loved the music is by the public. Born To Die is one of the most loved albums of the 21st Century. Sorry not sorry.
@BrianTylerComposer
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly... "scores" given for albums is a disgusting idea in the first place.
@mrmxyzptlk8906
2 жыл бұрын
What.
@man4437
2 жыл бұрын
Don't go on Anthony's main channel then
@Reinshark
2 жыл бұрын
I checked out Pitchfork in the late 90s and early 2000s, saw their troll review scores, and proceeded to lose all interest I might have ever had in the site. They seemed to be trying to make a statement by alienating people who liked certain kinds of music, and that sort of elitist assholery has never sat well with me. I will never expect their reviews (or, by extension, any of their other coverage) to be objective, and I legitimately have NO IDEA how they ever came to be taken seriously as a source of music journalism.
@Skatebardfilms
2 жыл бұрын
i cant believe this comments section isnt bugging out about that foxygen demotion ! thats a damn lovely album if i know one
@carolyns4519
2 жыл бұрын
IKR?! Great album that too few people talk about anymore.
@clarenceworley2768
3 жыл бұрын
All this proves is that Pitchfork don't know shit and conform with whatever the general consensus is at any given time... just another wannabe cool kid doin what wannabe cool kids do - nothing but be whack! Cheers Fantano for keeping yo shit real, this just proves your authenticity.
@tylersquanto8938
3 жыл бұрын
Damn, they missed the opportunity to change their Mars Volta reviews…
@SuperSandwich713
3 жыл бұрын
Public reminder they gave Frances the Mute a 2/10 🤭
@drumminah
3 жыл бұрын
@@SuperSandwich713 And their highest reviewed TMV record is octo lol
@amyrogers7628
3 жыл бұрын
Came here to say this exact thing. Was really expecting a Frances rescore at least
@george_yassington
3 жыл бұрын
Nah for real. I can't forgive them for their Frances the Mute score
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