How to repair cracks in plastic canoes and kayaks. Links to the plastic welder I used. It's not the best but it works and is cheap: Amazon - amzn.to/1JgdeMT Harbor Freight - www.harborfreig...
Liquid laundry detergent jugs and usually made of HDPE plastic (recycle #2) and come in many colors. They work as good as mike jugs and can make better looking repairs.
@ariip
3 жыл бұрын
They sell welding sticks in matching colors on amazon for $12 for 5 feet total length and 2 packs total should be enough to do the two cracks most likely. They look much better and are easier to use already being in sticks.
@Manuel_Z_Kayaks
3 жыл бұрын
Step 1: On the inside if accessible, melt the mesh on the inside without preheating all the surface. Tip 1: If using the iron, Use the wire brush frequently to clean the tip of the iron (you burned the plastic) Step 2: Use the but end of the screw driver to smooth out the surface. Step 3: Add more plastic to cover the mesh patch. Step 4: On the outside use the heat gun lightly and the but of the screw driver to blend & smooth out the plastic surface with a light twisting motion. Step 5: sand with 100, then 220 then 400 if available. Step 6: Reheat with heat gun to make sanding marks disappear.
@thedreadpiratefisherman5325
2 жыл бұрын
Tip 6: If the canoe is made of RAM X plastic aka U.H.M.W.P.E (Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene) It is always best to use that plastic vs just HDPE because HDPE doesn't bond as well as UHMWPE does. Yes it is far more pricey but the results are worth it in the long haul.
@thedreadpiratefisherman5325
2 жыл бұрын
Tip 6: If the canoe is made of RAM X plastic aka U.H.M.W.P.E (Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene) It is always best to use that plastic vs just HDPE because HDPE doesn't bond as well as UHMWPE does. Yes it is far more pricey but the results are worth it in the long haul.
@dennisedwards8954
Жыл бұрын
@@thedreadpiratefisherman5325 where would be a place to find a supply of UHMWPE?
@thedreadpiratefisherman5325
Жыл бұрын
@@dennisedwards8954 Amazon has sheets and rods of it. If you need large amounts I've been told kayak manufacturers who use it, will sell it.
@tmneal78
10 жыл бұрын
I will give this a try, I bought a canoe just like the one you have for $40.00, but it has three cracks in it. I hope this works..... THANKS!!!!
@Dano896
5 жыл бұрын
Tim Neal how did you do on the welding of canoe?
@floobertuber
5 жыл бұрын
Yes... To some people, this repair may seem somewhat crude, and not particularly attractive. But to others, those self-reliant and inventive people who like to FIX things instead of just sending them to the landfill... it's its own kind of beautiful.
@lukeswain1752
5 жыл бұрын
Incase anybody is unsure about this, I just did it. I never have done it before. Had a large part of the hull missing. An inch wide and 8 inches long. More or less. I used a gallon water jug and a soldering iron. I was surprised at how easy it is to fix. You literally melt plastic over the crack or hole until it is sealed. Whence it is sealed, you can add more to smoothin it out if you want. It certainly isn't a pretty job. But it really really gets the job done. Tip: use the soldering iron in a swirling motion to really fuse the plastics together. Go try it now! Wear a mask or two.
@ariip
3 жыл бұрын
Bear in mind that the cracks are also a result of how the seat arms were bent resulting in them putting pressure on the hull. When taking the seat off you should bent the arms slightly so that they come in and straighten out before they rest against the hull before putting them back in.
@lut5ch3r
7 жыл бұрын
I am a bit late, but I do not advise this technique. First off, to drill a hole was good. The mesh is also a good idea, but maybe fill the gap first. Get a good heatgun (one you can set to a fixed temperature). Forget the plastic welder / soldering iron, you will burn the PE faster as you wish. Use the PE rod you have and work it in circular motion into the crack, pulling material from one side to the other. Oh, I almost forgot... Clean the crack first. By cleaning I mean, take a sharp object and scrape material out. Like this you have "fresh" material to weld on. Do this a few times, then bring in the mesh.
@bumpsangrimez
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks dude. My 84 has a small crack by the gunwale. I'm going to cover the 1" patch with a cool sticker.
@ACTIONDANhero
6 жыл бұрын
Extremely messy job. The plastic your adding is instantly traveling to the outside of the triangle because your heating to much n to long. Need to move your triangle over the top on a slight angle. So that just the outer part is totching which way your scraping. And heat gun only totching plastic once heated for 0.5 to 1 second at a time. Here its heated way to much so is hard like spreading pva glue flat. To make much easier n 10x smother n perfectly flat. Heat plastic just untill its as thick as dough or as soft as tooth paste at most. Once placed in crack heat less n less only pushing for a second at a time at lower n lower heat. So plastic is effected less n less and perfectly flat n smooth. Not even needing light sanding if you do a slow great job
@xel36
7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Very educational. This guy is awesome and I'm very impressed with him.
@Makify1
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@zekct747
8 жыл бұрын
It worked, but how about sanding the welding area so that it gets a smooth surface and painting it?
@Makify1
8 жыл бұрын
Sanding it is a good idea. Unfortunately, HDPE is very difficult to paint. Maybe one of those paints designed for plastics would work.
@baroose67
4 жыл бұрын
@@Makify1 You can get special epoxy paint for plastic canoes which holds extremely well and actually puts a protective coat on you canoe hull. But a quart of it probably cost more than you paid for the canoe.
@RLZerr
11 жыл бұрын
I bought that same cheap Chinese welder with the weak tip. It broke on the first use! Milk jugs are low grade polyethylene, will be a bad weld. Use 5 gallon buckets.. they come in all colors. You can buy buckets at Lowe's, Home Depot or get them free. Paint, spackling, plaster, etc. Check with deli's they get pickles in them and might just give the buckets away.
@the1intellect
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid! I was able to repair a 3" x 1/2" hole in the bottom of my orange HDPE canoe with a tide bottle, some hardware clothe, and a hobby iron with wedge tip. My process: Cut hole to a clean shape (mine was a rectangle). Cut 3 pieces that fit that hole with a 1/4" plus on every side (to weld in). Cut one larger piece, and some hardware clothe/mesh to match that. I attached the larger one inside the canoe over the mesh and melted it in to give support, and to have something to press against while repairing from the outside. Circular motion helped to melt the surrounding area, then work in the new plastic. Plastic stir-welding if you will. Once this was complete, I turned to the outside of the canoe and laid one of my cut strips into the hole and fused it with the mesh while working it into the sides. I used the spare pieces like solder and filled in any indentions to create as smooth an outer surface as possible, since snags could weaken the patch. Result: looks great and watertight!
@JW007100
18 күн бұрын
I had a 17 ft. scanoe that cracked at 2 locations, don’t store those on their sides, they start cracking at the rivet holes. I tried hot air gluing the crack and they expanded so quickly that the scanoe was a loss. I cut it all up in pieces and tossed it. I had a motor on it so it was registered with DMV, I wanted to cancel registration and DMV wanted to see the salvage receipt or sales receipt like it was a car, I told them I cut it up and threw it away, they couldn’t grasp that concept. Then I asked them what happens when a boat sinks? You still want to see a receipt?😊 The early Coleman’s polyethylene plastic is a more linear polyethylene that melts at a lower heat level. Newer HDPE responds better to heat welding. I bought a better fishing canoe after my failed repair.
@gergemall
8 жыл бұрын
Great simple comprehensive video. Thank you..
@ariip
3 жыл бұрын
Good video but you can find welding sticks easily online in the color you want for cheap. They are on amazon for less than $12 for 5 feet of sticks. (5 1ft sticks) I got the green color to match the canoe for 2 of the same canoes as you that I have. Using the milk jugs does look ugly. I also used the metal suture/staples instead of the mesh which get installed below the surface with an inexpensive tool.
@paulbradford8240
3 жыл бұрын
Good idea with drilling a hole to stop the crack extending.
@sueinalaska
4 жыл бұрын
With thanks to you and your video, I've repaired our old but faithful Coleman Scanoe! We had to leave it on the shore of a remote NW Alaskan river that was simply not paddlable in a heavily loaded canoe! We helicoptered out, and came back by snowmobile the next spring to retrieve it, and apparently a grizzly had tried sampling both ends of it above the snowline! I have now repaired all the tooth holes, much to my doubting husband's surprise! Is there some way to add before and after pics?
@jackjohnson7207
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Craigslist Canoe and all the supplies purchased and I’ve got myself a functioning boat for under 100 dollars! Much appreciated.
@Makify1
5 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@XtrovertedHermit
5 күн бұрын
Some fibre tape of a similar color will hide that mess
@interspace1529
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this video
@eddiehazard3340
Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the video, thank you - but I did not understand the need for so many sexual inferences. :(
@jon7949
5 жыл бұрын
Smh waste of my time
@jamesfranzoni8627
3 жыл бұрын
Great vid bud I have the same canoe freebie on the side of the road 👍
@thejsquad242
2 ай бұрын
Wow thanks it was exactly what I was looking for
@j.rothchild173
8 жыл бұрын
Yea.!! I broke the tip of the welder!! hahahaha!!! tks
@Manuel_Z_Kayaks
3 жыл бұрын
Mine broke within 30 minutes of use... Friggin Harbor Freight!
@passion830217
9 жыл бұрын
thank you very much! i will try the technique to fix my bumper
@Makify1
9 жыл бұрын
Good luck!
@TheFrogfeeder
5 жыл бұрын
4:44 = lmfao... just gonna fill in a couple rough spots... that was good
@walterhynson2898
6 жыл бұрын
be sure to wax the exterior for an easy fast paddle....use a good car wax
@kellymitchell3205
8 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up. - Except milk is GROSS!
@KyOutdoorsLife
11 ай бұрын
Does it ever crack when it flexes
@sheldonschultz4681
4 жыл бұрын
We found that the mesh overtime rusted and broke down (We repaired about ten Canoes) it made for a real mess when I tried to repair them again. Next time I will find either Stainless mesh or will work in Fiberglass mesh. Either way, I was not happy with the steel mesh.
@paulco4145
5 жыл бұрын
The 'L' in solder or soldering is silent.
@Paul_Au
3 жыл бұрын
Not in Australia... sounded just fine to me!
@pete4693
2 ай бұрын
Nice job. I have an old Coleman scanoe then I've been meaning to take out for more than a decade. I had gotten it from a friend and it was already cracked. I've left it up and overturned so it hasn't gotten any worse. I tried fiberglass as you said it won't stick for any length of time. In the middle of your video, I stopped and got an iron and plastic kit, and then jump back on your video to follow what I was supposed to do with it. Just waiting on the mail. Can't wait to get this scanoe in the water. Thanks.
@clintsnappy9540
7 ай бұрын
Lmao he said big fat tip
@jasondonavich2758
2 жыл бұрын
I recently found a kayak in a river, it's a pyranha freestyle from 1983 it had a crack in the plastic which I fixed, Ive cleaned it and it seems fine now but is there anyway I can test to make sure it's still usable, the colour still seems ok (yellow) but some parts show shadows from the float and things inside. any advice would be greatly appreciated.
@griffinquirk3218
3 ай бұрын
10 years later thank you sir! Just picked up street canoe with crack right in same spot 🫡
@davidrobinson2710
10 жыл бұрын
How come you didn't use Waterweld by JB Weld? It sets in an hour and is sandable.
@Makify1
9 жыл бұрын
I'm not familiar with Waterweld. It's probably worth looking into though. The problem is that most glues and epoxies don't stick well to HPDE.
@ariip
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, most any adhesive will not bond and hold. Many people have had such adhesives fail. Welding as he is doing is actually fusing and mixing the two materials together to become one and as strong if not stronger than the original hull. It is absurd to try to use any glue other than welding in this fashion which is easy enough to do.
@greenspiraldragon
5 жыл бұрын
Plastic grocery bags are the same type of plastic stack them up and heat them in the oven to about 250 degrees they will melt togeter put was paper above and below them. and a metal pan on top so they are mashed together.
@anthonypl7611
10 жыл бұрын
i have a mad river adventure 14 and have a crack pretty similar to the one you have. The canoe is all one single molded piece of plastic and the crack has occurred on the lower right supporting side of the front seat. Has this held up for the past year? the crack is a spider web but overall about the same size as yours. Any other suggestions or tips for me?
@constancestanford2099
8 жыл бұрын
Thank you :)
@don1estelle
5 жыл бұрын
Why not use the green Rlastic Ring in the crack inside the boat as it is also HDPE and looks better than white ?
@manuelvazquez8758
Жыл бұрын
Butcher.
@charlesclapp1879
7 жыл бұрын
Great Video I went to Lowes Home Improvement And Bought some Plastic lids that are made for the 5 gallon buckets, the plastic lids are HDPE and seem to have a little better density to them, to me it made a better weld, but either will work, they also have small packs of screen wire to help with the repairs. I also used the screwdriver on top of the welding tool (triangle tip) to help apply pressure and not brake the tips on the welding tool.
@ariip
3 жыл бұрын
LOL. They sell matching color welding sticks on amazon for $12 for 5 feet total of sticks.
@Pete-eb4ec
3 жыл бұрын
Bloopers at the end, Nice one! The soldering thingy.
@RagingMalibu
8 жыл бұрын
A little on the goofy side, but overall helpful. Thanks
@tutualbert4754
7 жыл бұрын
I drop my iron that I do my fabric with and I repair from your video thanks
@Kimbeattie
3 жыл бұрын
good luck
@ACTIONDANhero
4 жыл бұрын
because......ummmmm......i love milk. Really made me laugh
@ruthdoyle9085
3 жыл бұрын
What about sanding it down? Can you sand hdpe?
@deborahcrowley2720
11 жыл бұрын
Great job! But I cannot find the welder anywhere..... please help...couldn't find on Harbor Freight or Lowe's on-line.
@robertknowles2699
3 жыл бұрын
I rode bicycle to Lowe’s after checking online; it’s a Weller with assorted tips.
@KB9K
10 жыл бұрын
Your inside canoe repair looks better than the one outside. Why not start with the metal mesh inside and then go to the outside part just to fill up the gap. the repair would not be that much visible outside. Other than that good job and thank you for your video.
@Makify1
9 жыл бұрын
That's probably a good idea.
@Sid-xx4bz
3 жыл бұрын
Milk crates Are made of HDPE Income in green That is identical to the colour the Canoe
@ariip
3 жыл бұрын
Just buy the welding sticks online which are cheap in the color you want like to match this canoe. Why fight with cutting up milk crates, geez.
@michiganmagneto
2 жыл бұрын
I've got an opportunity to get a Coleman Scanoe for a really good price and it has a crack in it almost identical to what you just showed. After watching your video and reading some of the comments I think I'm going to go ahead and commit to this Scanoe. Thank you so much.
@dennisedwards8954
Жыл бұрын
How well did your repair result? Durability? I just acquired a Coleman Crawdad with cracks that I'd like to repair. In my recent research on how to repair the RamX material of the Crawdad (the scanoe also being made from ram x), some persons have said that the HDPE 2 does not fuse well with RamX.
@michiganmagneto
Жыл бұрын
@@dennisedwards8954 my repair turned out ok. Got a video on my channel. Got a 7.5 hp outboard shortly after picking up my canoe. Worked on it for a while and just as I got it to fire the weather turned to winter. So put it all away for the season. If you use a plastic welder, don't get impatient & use a propane torch to speed things up.
@baroose67
4 жыл бұрын
I see some of your comments about epoxy not sticking well to the plastic canoes. Have you tried flaming the plastic on the boat first? it changes the molecules for just a short time but allows for the epoxy to bond to it if done right. Flaming, not heating.
@ariip
3 жыл бұрын
They are not the same materials are are not going to actually mix and become one like welding hdpe to hdpe. What you are describing just sounds like more work. You are looking for harder solutions when welding this way is easily enough to begin with. Are you invested in epoxy stock?
@baroose67
3 жыл бұрын
@@ariip no. But I worked on canoes and had training from Old Town. For a couple decades .
@jackgonzalez4292
8 жыл бұрын
It's about 3 inch
@LemonRiverOutdoors
8 жыл бұрын
how well will this hold up?
@teannabyerts1904
4 жыл бұрын
we could just slap some colorful duct tape over the "ugly weld"... good stuff!
@Manuel_Z_Kayaks
3 жыл бұрын
That's what it had on it... You can see the residue on the sides of the crack.
@ariip
3 жыл бұрын
If he used the matching green welding sticks, available cheaply enough, it would not look so ugly.
@kentell64
4 жыл бұрын
is there any way of getting paint to stick to that type of plastic i have the same canoe but its orange and i want to change colors this spring
@Makify1
4 жыл бұрын
HDPE is very resistant to chemicals including paint, unfortunately.
@ariip
3 жыл бұрын
You can buy sticks in different colors or at least green like this canoe which I also have. Try looking.
@jjohnsonsracing19
10 жыл бұрын
Could you sand it down and apply more plastic until you had a somewhat smooth finish?
@Makify1
10 жыл бұрын
That might work. The problem is that the plastic shrinks as it cools and in my experience, shrinks in unpredictable ways resulting in a rough finish.
@Makify1
7 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's a good idea. I don't know if you'll every get a perfectly smooth joint but with some work you can make it look at least a little nicer.
@joshsimpson8143
4 жыл бұрын
Great job
@MrBasswrangler
9 жыл бұрын
i have the same canoe and my holes are on the bottom. gonna try this and see if i can get this baby on the water
@Makify1
9 жыл бұрын
Good luck!
@unplznt1ables946
7 жыл бұрын
what kind canoe is it
@walterhynson2898
6 жыл бұрын
Great Idea
@ExtremeActivities
6 жыл бұрын
Genius!!
@candyraved
10 жыл бұрын
I have that same canoe, only mine is red :) In hindsight, it seems like it would have "looked" better if you'd have done the ugly stuff on the inside and filled in the wide open crack on the outside. Also, i've seen some more expensive plastic welding tools that will have a plastic feeder (Probably cost a lot more though) Great video, love the use of the milk jug! (Now you need to put a trolling motor on it!) I'll be uploading a video of mine soon.
@samte1237
7 жыл бұрын
wow!!
@daddyricedogs8649
5 жыл бұрын
Bend over and I'll show you wow, Sammy. I hope you like seed in your watermelon
@Lanninglongarmmowing
10 жыл бұрын
Have you seen the video on KZitem where a guy heats up a putty knife red with a propane torch and then gets a piece of tarp and melts it into the canoe with the putty knife? It's a pretty helpful video. The patch would looks pretty good too.
@UccelloLibero86
5 жыл бұрын
Do you happen to know the link for this video?
@Makify1
11 жыл бұрын
I added the link in the description.
@ESPNsPeacockbassProfessor
10 жыл бұрын
I use the Amazing Goop
@chrisfuller3352
5 жыл бұрын
I'll give you some Amazing Goop
@rbarbour64
7 жыл бұрын
after you have finished the job, add a coat or two of flex seal to make it look better.
@Manuel_Z_Kayaks
3 жыл бұрын
Flex Seal won't stay stuck to HDPE. Just use spray paint for plastic after sanding with 220
@574ak49
7 жыл бұрын
Very informative. I like the ideas..Two things though....Wear your PFD (personal flotation device) so you be around to make more cool vids, and solder is pronounced sawder. Thanks for the video.
@oc_villain3833
9 жыл бұрын
hey Freddy Prince Jr likes canoeing how cool is that ,..!!!! 😕
@gondwanalon
9 жыл бұрын
Good repair job! Thank you very much! You could use help with your canoe paddling form. You're just using your upper body in the paddle stroke. Use more leg and body core muscles. You will be able to paddle further and not get tired so quickly.
@John-4649
4 жыл бұрын
And build up those Lats!
@FactionalSky
6 жыл бұрын
The worst "repair" ever seen.. Get some PE-Sticks, get a hot-glue gun that can reach 240°C. Chamfer the crack, fill up the whole space with the PE from the Stick with the hot-glue gun and sand the repaired area. The hot PE will melt itself into the PE of the canoe and fills up any remaining spaces. No reinforcement needed.
@barnaclebill1615
3 жыл бұрын
This model canoe is the only one I use. Put a life vest on pls. I loved the demonstration. Thanks. 😁👍👍
@joefreitas9339
7 жыл бұрын
you don't have a clue at what you're doing there're professional plastic welders of which i am one....first you have to chamfer what is to be welded then get a plastic rod the same grade as what is to be welded.Plastic milk bottles deteriorate in time .The only thing you got wright was to drill a hole at the end of the crack....
@Makify1
7 жыл бұрын
It might not be the best way to do it but the welds have held up for over 4 years and I consider that good enough for my purposes.
@jarvisrinklebaker5450
7 жыл бұрын
Joe Freitas want to know why I don't trust you? Because you can't even spell the word right correctly.
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