I love this concept and I’m looking forward to seeing it completed
@KaikhosruShapurjiMedtner
Күн бұрын
I’m looking forward to the 1900s lol
@PianoCurio
Күн бұрын
@@KaikhosruShapurjiMedtner 1900s start off with the Dukas sonata, should be an interesting one whenever I make it there!
@jamesrockybullin5250
Күн бұрын
12:31 what an interesting chord for 1803, an augmented 7th!
@austinwgentry
Күн бұрын
I love the little (historically accurate) improvisations you do in between segments
@PianoCurio
Күн бұрын
Thanks! They used to be considered good manners but are less common today. Liszt once stopped a student at one of his Weimar masterclasses, urging him to play a brief prelude before beginning his piece. I found that anecdote very interesting and have started doing the same since reading it, I believe it was in Kenneth Hamilton’s book “After the Golden Age.”
@reamartin6458
2 күн бұрын
Bomtempo is an excellent composer! Thanks
@Mazurking
17 сағат бұрын
Wow, what a project and so interisting! Good luck!
@Geraldsbliss
3 күн бұрын
Wow, what a brilliant idea and thanks so much for your generosity in sharing all this music and information! Much appreciated. I look forward to the whole series and will listen avidly.
@exequielchuaqui5968
Күн бұрын
Instant like. Looking forward to this completed series
@musikant-d2x
2 күн бұрын
Thank you - not only for the excellent selection, but also for the beautiful connecting music - a feast for the ears!
@rossini9mozart10
Күн бұрын
The fact that after Mozart's death the later classical composers tried harder to match his harmonic complexity thanks to his success after his death... Whereas before 1791 they were almost in fairly "insignificant" galant music. That says a lot about the tastes of the public after 1790.
@PianoCurio
Күн бұрын
To me, the Cramer sonata in particular plays like imitation Mozart. I actually quite like it, but it puts it in perspective to see that composers were still writing attractive yet backwards-looking stuff like that while Beethoven was writing the Appassionata, or even Dussek writing his later sonatas.
@utvpoop
2 күн бұрын
Thanks a lot for Bomtempo, I found Menuet and Rondo from that sonata very catchy back in 2022
@jcb5782
2 күн бұрын
Wow, what a lovely idea! Now, apart from a few years of musical history as part of my cultural history class I have absolutely no theoretical knowledge of music. So you understand that the way I define these pieces is through melody rather than structure, but one observation if I may… I grew up a fan of Baroque. I simply can’t get enough of Rameau’s harpsichord or Guillemain’s violin. But now with these fall days approaching I tend to find myself listening to later pieces such as these. What I love about them is how they seem closer to man itself rather than his achievements. Alligned more with his emotion, rather than the justification of majesty. Less…grand ships at sea and more…country estate in the fog. But every once every few segments or so, there is this hint of a Baroque melody, which occur well into the 1820s, and the mind is instantly forced to transition back. To lock you, or at least, me, into the depths of the piece, as it were. It is easy to understand the appeal of these works for both the older 18th century listener, and the sons of the enlightenment. To understand what developments took place and why. And personally, being that I am not a fan of the full blown Romantic pieces of the later 19th century, I can appreciate this touch of majesty that the works still retain. Anyway, I’ll keep following these videos. This is a great concept, thank you!
@4candles
Күн бұрын
Superb idea. Amazing how much changed in music in that 100 years.
@gadxxxx
17 сағат бұрын
Please keep going. 😃
@calebhu6383
2 күн бұрын
This is epic
@lucapianist67
Күн бұрын
Great selection! Not just cool idea, but very nice taste in choosing these sonatas.
@andreoliveira685
2 күн бұрын
great project! subscribed and anxious for the next chapters!
@SpaceMalakhi
2 күн бұрын
Very original type of vids! I'm looking forward for the next decades ;)
@michelcamachomusic
13 сағат бұрын
Except for clementi and cramer where I really find their sonatas sounding pretty well the rest of composers sound like merely improvisations written to me. Riem had a great sonata theme but it sounds like improvised in some parts. Dussek and woelfl have interesting harmony and thematic treatment. Now i understand that anecdote about Beethoven beating Steibelt, it makes sense. He seems like there are many improvisation patterns in his sonsta but they go nowhere, where Beethoven could really master this and take it to a high new level.
@ilbiancofiore
2 күн бұрын
What a fantastic project! You're a wonderful musician and a clever and generous person. Subscribing and keeping posted.
@elwachus
3 сағат бұрын
This is perfect. You should do a timeline for the evolution of the Mozart family: kzitem.info/door/PLo4FXejHsua4x5-fjzfDsAOlTwAl1KkLO&si=Im1a5LbWYPbpSXjZ
@NichtWunderkind
2 күн бұрын
0:10 "Romantic" music is just galant music but with a different arrangement of patterns. That progression I pointed out was usually used in development sections or after the double bar in dances. But in this period and especially Beethoven, used it at the beginning of pieces as a contrast. Really interesting video too I wish you a nice week❤
@PianoCurio
2 күн бұрын
Cool insight, thank you!
@mrJohnDesiderio
2 күн бұрын
Clementi ---the best
@SanestBlueArchiveFan
Күн бұрын
awesome
@LuchoAD21
Күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Will be waiting the next ones. A little doubt, what is the name of the piece before the sonata of Dussek, the one that starts at 24:51?
@PianoCurio
Күн бұрын
That is just a transitional prelude that I semi-improvised (after a few attempts to come up with something). It was common for pianists during the 19th century.
@papapowley
Күн бұрын
riem's sonata kinda reminds me of chopins first polonaise in g minor
@jaurisova6
Күн бұрын
Beautifully played! What’s the temperament you’re using?
@PianoCurio
Күн бұрын
Thanks! Nothing special, equal temp at 440. If it were more realistic for the period, the tunings would be all over the place and the transitions would be a nightmare.
@jaurisova6
Күн бұрын
@@PianoCurio Young II, aka Valotti-Young, is worth experimenting with (I think it’s built-in for Pianoteq historical instruments). I think you might like the result, and it would not be obviously unequal to a casual listener. It plays well in all keys, and will introduce a spectrum of “stillness -> shimmer” as you move toward 6 o’clock on the circle of fifths. It makes the modulations count! I love the idea of reconstructing the cultural context of all these lesser known sonatas, and it would be amazing to hear them in something like their original “unequal” state.
@PianoCurio
Күн бұрын
@@jaurisova6 very interesting, that one is unfamiliar to me and I have admittedly not experimented enough with alternate tunings. Thanks for the suggestion!
@I_m_you930
Күн бұрын
4:14 존필드 소나타가 어떻게 3번이 첫작품이 되었나요?
@tarikeld11
2 күн бұрын
This video shows very well why I think Beethoven was the best of them all: The other composers' sonatas simply lack substance and identity. Their music may be enjoyable and there _are_ good themes, but most of the time it sounds like they just strung together rather dull episodes of decorated improvisations without any direction or development. There's no thematic identity. Take for example the strain at 15:15 - 16:25, it's a chorale but.. what does he want to say here? I don't see any real thought or material. In contrast, I think most of Beethoven's Sonatas have unique and memorable character and melody. He knew how to develop one or two motifs to a coherent and really "composed" movement. Compare the same section (15:15) to the middle episode in the 4th movement (Allegro assai) of Beethoven's Sonata No. 3 Op. 2 No. 3. He also starts with a simple chorale, but then he switches hands, varies it with 8th note figures, adds a new melody and eventually restates and modulates the chorale to the main theme.
@tarikeld11
Күн бұрын
Btw this doesn't hold for every piece. I really like Eberl's Rondo Vivace (the last piece here), it's one of the better ones. Also the section at 10:14 is great and I would rank it on Beethoven's level
@PianoCurio
Күн бұрын
I think you pinpointed one of the big takeaways of this experiment, for me. There are some good, interesting, and rewarding things throughout, and some other parts that are just fine but not stellar, but many of these are pasted together with subpar materials. Beethoven just set a new standard that we still value today. We do still find some unique outliers that I will go to bat for (Dussek), but he was still no Beethoven. I do genuinely enjoy exploring these forgotten works and yet this project forces me to play some things that I don't absolutely love, so it's a fun challenge. I do intend to feature the century's most famous sonatas in this project, but there are remarkably few when you limit it to one per composer (less than 10, perhaps). That really puts it all into perspective. You also rightly pointed out the single most boring passage in the video! I wanted to like that Riem sonata movement, but it just drags in the middle section. Eberl's music was a nice surprise, very conservative but quaint and attractive. And yes, that section at 10:14 gives me Schubertian chills; Pinto was only 17 and died a few years later!
@4candles
Күн бұрын
PS you must include Reicha in these early sonata suggestions!
@PianoCurio
Күн бұрын
Ugh, big missed opportunity on my end. A Reicha sonata would have been beter than the Riem sonata in 1804, but it didn't show up in my IMSLP search by publication date! I'll have to refine my research process to make sure I don't miss any others like that. I do have the 100 sonatas outlined already, but the list is in constant flux until the moment I decide to record. Thanks as always for watching.
@4candles
Күн бұрын
@@PianoCurio Reicha as a separate video would always be welcomed! Such an innovator!
@PianoCurio
Күн бұрын
@@4candles absolutely, adding it to the brainstorming list!
@gmfrunzik
Күн бұрын
@@4candlescould you recommend some pieces by him?
@4candles
Күн бұрын
@@gmfrunzik Try his most famous piano work for starters, his 36 Fugues. It doesn't sound very exciting, but what he does in each piece is quite extraordinary for the time. Several more of his piano works have now been recorded, including some fascinating Sonatas on the Toccata Classics label.
@gbaker0
Күн бұрын
What VST midi controller or digital piano are you using?
@PianoCurio
Күн бұрын
Yamaha N1X
@marinadela1361
12 сағат бұрын
Such basic music, oh how far and wide we have come.
@PianoCurio
11 сағат бұрын
Meanwhile in the same decade, Beethoven wrote sonatas 11-25 including the Moonlight, Pastoral, Tempest, Waldstein, and Appassionata.
@marinadela1361
11 сағат бұрын
Yes, Beethoven is a superior composer for his time above his peers and a crucial point in delivering Romantic style to composition, along with Hummel.
@surfinia2
2 күн бұрын
Why was Steibelt dishonest?
@PianoCurio
2 күн бұрын
That word comes from the Grove Music article on Steibelt that describes his personality as "extraordinarily vain, arrogant, discourteous, recklessly extravagant and even dishonest." Apparently he had kleptomania as well. Sounds a bit harsh, but his personality must have been abrasive enough earn him that reputation.
@surfinia2
2 күн бұрын
@@PianoCurio tks for answering
@nikhilr-q
Күн бұрын
Splendid. A few familiar faces - Field, Cramer, Clementi, Dussek, and some that were completely new and exciting to me. Riem especially. I can't wait for the next parts of the series! Edit: should've been a comment not a reply 😅
@buckohoh
2 күн бұрын
can I ask you why the music doesn’t match the score at 15:51?
@PianoCurio
2 күн бұрын
Sure, I chose to ornament the repeats since that section sounded too dry without them, just a matter of personal taste.
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