I love the idea of modulating between the movements
@MiScusi69
Ай бұрын
Same!
@ericrakestraw664
Ай бұрын
I like the transitional passages between pieces, too. It makes me imagine Beethoven improvising at the pianoforte.
@mduftube
3 күн бұрын
Me too, and it’s consistent with 18th century performance practice. Virtuosi would improvise modulating preludes between pieces to connect one far-removed key with another. Mozart even wrote one out for his sister to use because she couldn’t improvise.
@tarikeld11
Ай бұрын
I love how you added short transitions between the pieces :)
@MiScusi69
Ай бұрын
Yes!
@millennial8441
Ай бұрын
I really love the percussive sound of the early fortepiano.
@commentingchannel9776
Ай бұрын
I'd love to hear some of the harsher 20th century composers played on it.
@espressonoob
Ай бұрын
@@commentingchannel9776probably would break strings. the piano was developed further for composer needs.
@commentingchannel9776
Ай бұрын
@espressonoob Sure, but using a digital audio library of a fortepiano on a digital keyboard, as was done for this video, would let us ignore many of the physical constraints of the real instrument while mostly matching its sound, making for an interesting experiment.
@gabe_the_musician
Ай бұрын
It’s cool to see the evolution of the piano along with the evolution of Beethoven’s music!
@MrInterestingthings
Ай бұрын
Yes. But the best had ideas in their heads that one can barely hear here as op.79 show.
@fergusbyett8088
Ай бұрын
Everything about this is fantastic, but the transitions are the cherry on top, gorgeous 😍
@kuru9157
18 күн бұрын
not sure why, but the tone of the earlier pianos has a almost comical quality. Wonderful playing, it was coo lhearing the tone develop.
@timothyhayes8128
3 күн бұрын
27 movement 2 made me cry. It has to be just about the most beautiful things he has written and hearing it on a piano from when it was composed was really moving.
@PianoCurio
2 күн бұрын
That movement was not only an important part of my early discovery of Beethoven, but of piano and music in general. Such a special work. Thank you for listening.
@user-zz5te5nw7g
Ай бұрын
Very “mechanical” tone which I love. These instruments blends the human voice and machine together.
@Kriss1982-xv9qk
Ай бұрын
the first one sounds like Mozart
@bgtvfrtgb6959
23 күн бұрын
your face sounds like mozart
@mjears
Ай бұрын
What thoroughly lovely performances! And custom transitions, very thoughtful. It’s also informative to follow along with first editions this way. As for the comment about pitch, I’m just grateful they were all tuned the SAME.
@sifridbassoon
3 күн бұрын
I can't help it, but the sound of the early fortepianos remind me of when as a child, I used to put tacks in the hammers of my piano too make that cowboy saloon piano sound. I had that piano for 40 years!
@sonderangebot5473
23 күн бұрын
As the piano improved, his hearing deteriorated. He hears, now-in heaven!
@alecrechtiene558
Ай бұрын
That bagatelle is extraordinarily beautiful!
@TheSinkingTitanic2
Ай бұрын
This deserves more views! Period instruments will always be superior to modern ones considering they are what he wrote for.
@user-bn3hp2cv6b
Ай бұрын
I think modern instruments are simply so much better in that thay have far greater dynamic, coloristic, and expressive possibilities than that of period instruments. If Beethoven - or Bach, or any composer of the past - had access to the far superior instruments we have today, they would've never played a fortepiano in the first place. Arguments for period instruments make no sense to me - sure, "authentic" renditions are always fascinating to hear, but let's not pretend that they're anywhere near as good as interpretations on modern instruments.
@yehudaweiss3081
Ай бұрын
Beethoven complained that the pianos he played on were too week and he was known for smashing the keys and breaking strings, the modern piano is stronger and the strings don’t break as much
@Varooooooom
27 күн бұрын
This is an incredibly well-made video, oh my god
@ezzovonachalm9815
Ай бұрын
I love the idea of indicating WHICH SORT of instrument we are listening at !
@mduftube
3 күн бұрын
This was a tour de force of presentation! I have a real soft spot for the Graf. It can achieve truly spine-tingling sotto voce pianissimos. Schubert’s Winterreise is a totally different experience when it’s played on a Graf.
@PianoCurio
3 күн бұрын
Thank you! And I agree - there are certain works that, as beautiful as they might sound on a modern instrument, are utterly transformed on period ones. To me, there is a special kind of lonely quality that can be achieved on an old Graf that does Winterreise justice.
@briansunday7099
17 күн бұрын
Pierre-Joseph-Guillaume Zimmermann (1785-1853) spoke in his piano treatise about the inherent dryness of the instrument - something that came across in the samples here quite clearly. Though I took some exception to the interpretations here, overall they made it quite clear how unsuitable music of this era is for the modern instrument. I had the pleasure once of playing the Clementi fortepiano in the DeBellis Collection at SF State. When both the damper pedal and una corda pedal were used simultaneously, the instrument sounded like a harp which means, like the harpsichord, these instruments were capable of changing their colour.
@EGchristian
24 күн бұрын
Beethoven must be smiling in heaven… bravo 🎉
@_spiritual_music_
28 күн бұрын
Fantastic concept and execution. Gorgeous sounds. This earned you a subscriber, and you deserve many more. Cheers.
@williamsackelariou1860
Ай бұрын
Very interesting & many thanks , the extract from the late sonata E minor was very touching , beautiful music making😊😊😊😊
@cristopherbonn2675
Ай бұрын
Pianoteq sounds wonderful and really comes alive with your nicely nuanced performances. I have a few questions: how did you modify the presets? (reverb, etc.). And what keyboard do you use?
@PianoCurio
Ай бұрын
Thank you, and great question! I play on a Yamaha N1X and tend to use the fast keyboard velocity setting for the very sensitive older pianofortes, otherwise I have a custom one. I used mostly stock recording mic settings with two cardioid mics near, not inside, the piano and 2 omni room mics further back. The reverb is Altiverb, specifically I placed all of the instruments in the Esterhazy palace concert hall, which I thought sounded appropriate to the historic instruments used. Lastly, I increased a couple of the dynamic ranges. The 1780 square piano and 1808 Weimes were so bright on their default settings that I wasn’t able to get the dynamic range I wanted until changing them. Other than reducing a bit of excessive key release noise on the first instrument, I left each instrument’s original sound intact. As someone else commented, I could have also played with different tunings to reflect the variations common in Beethoven’s day, but didn’t think of it for this video.
@cristopherbonn2675
Ай бұрын
@@PianoCurio Thanks for the reply! One last question: I am a great admirer of Beethoven's music and I own Pianoteq as well. Is there any possibility to get the MIDI files of your performances? It would be really nice to have them to experiment with different pianos and settings. If you are willing to share them (or sell them), I would definitely be interested.
@lawrencetaylor4101
Ай бұрын
A fascinating video. And a huge thanks from my sensitive ears for your thoughtful transition improvisations. Note to self, call the piano tuner to fix my doorbell.
@HenrikBergpianorganist
3 күн бұрын
Very interesting, I'd rather listen to this than the modern big black monster any day of the week. Love the transitions!
@PianoCurio
3 күн бұрын
It’s certainly a different experience, thank you!
@shanubag6785
27 күн бұрын
Piano sonata no. 27 is so beautiful yet so underrated
@PianoCurio
26 күн бұрын
Agreed, it has always been one of my favorites. That melody is just so spacious, warm, and inviting. Beethoven’s more transcendental and epic late works tend to get more attention as opposed to this more laconic and picturesque sonata.
@NickOleksiakMusic
Ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this! You're doing the world a great service!
@saldana7395
Ай бұрын
6:10 wait a minute.....🤨🤨🤨
@PianoCurio
Ай бұрын
👀👀👀
@utvpoop
Ай бұрын
Piano Sonata no.5: 1796 5th Symphony: 1804-1808 26th Piano Sonata: 1809 So it's kinda accurate in time, too!
@Robotron-wd9em
Ай бұрын
Thank you
@ShadowMartin2004
Ай бұрын
For the first sonata, i did not research but it says "geschrieben im 10./19. Lebensjahre." That means he was either 10 or -more likely- 19 years old, you wrote "Age: 12". So one of those informations is incorrect😅
@PianoCurio
Ай бұрын
Good catch! Beethoven’s father, like Mozart’s, was always telling potential patrons that his genius son was younger than he really was to make him seem like more of a prodigy (which of course he was anyway). I recall reading that even Beethoven mixed his age up due to this throughout his life. So, since this is the earliest edition I could find (n.d but estimated c. 1828), I suspect that some of that misinformation must have been passed down to the publisher. Modern research suggests the three Kurfürsten sonatas, of which this is the first, were written between 1782-1783 when Beethoven would have been around 12. Thanks for calling attention to such an interesting detail!
@ShadowMartin2004
Ай бұрын
@@PianoCurio Ah, thats new to me, thank you for the information, much appreciated:)
@luzical8926
Ай бұрын
Nice video! Can you do the same for Mozart?
@PianoCurio
Ай бұрын
Thank you, and great idea! I’ll add it to the list
@fortepiano_enthusiast-f8t
24 күн бұрын
sounds fantastic! Would love to hear you play some Schubert as well. Greetings from Vienna
@miguelisaurusbruh1158
29 күн бұрын
thank you for this videooo
@gerardbedecarter
Ай бұрын
Most beautiful and interesting.
@jhonwask
25 күн бұрын
I liked the first piano first, because it was so clear and easy to hear the notes. The others sounded good, but warmer. It's hard to explain simply. There was better boomy bass in the later pianos, but the clarity was lost to chordal progressions.
@pdqbachfan
27 күн бұрын
If you could, what early piano would you love to have in your collection?
@PianoCurio
26 күн бұрын
ooh good question! I definitely feel a connection to the 1790 Walter, very expressive in an intimate way with good punchiness to play Bach, Mozart, and early Beethoven. But I also adore mid-19th century Erards and would love to have one of those too. Pianoteq needs more 1850-1900 pianos for sure, if I had a say.
@darius.lvb.
21 күн бұрын
I would like a link for the full interpretation of the first song in the video
@turtle945
Ай бұрын
so cool
@akbarkairat1550
21 күн бұрын
Very good
@DanielKolbin
19 күн бұрын
Interesting
@darius.lvb.
21 күн бұрын
can someone give me a link for the performance of the first song in this video? I really like the interpretation on a fortepiano and I would very much like to receive the link of the full interpretation
@PianoCurio
21 күн бұрын
Ronald Brautigam has recorded all of them on a fortepiano and they are excellent: kzitem.info/news/bejne/wpV_3mhtkat9eKQsi=vMkwkOBEVg_MMFKj
@jean-naymar602
23 күн бұрын
In what collection did you find the 1790 walter ? I've looked through the Karsten, Kremsegg 1 and 2 collections on their website but couldn't find it :(
@PianoCurio
23 күн бұрын
@@jean-naymar602 it’s one of the KIViR instruments, which are freely available with any collection I believe
@jean-naymar602
22 күн бұрын
@@PianoCurio Thanks !
@MiScusi69
Ай бұрын
Very noice!
@jupiterki
Ай бұрын
Intenta parecerse a Mozart pero no lo consigue ,aunque ya es un genio indiscutible con propia personalidad
@Stashi1808
Ай бұрын
So did you download the piano model for an electronic keyboard? How does one go about that? Lovely performance. I especially like the Bagatelles.
@PianoCurio
Ай бұрын
I use a hybrid piano with an acoustic action as a MIDI controller, so I can plug in any VST instrument I want and record it into a DAW with realistic/nuanced input. And thank you! That bagatelle was the among the last set of piano pieces that Beethoven wrote (or finished, at least).
@Stashi1808
Ай бұрын
@@PianoCurio Thanks!
@Cayres18
Ай бұрын
Another subscriber
@Populous3Tutorials
20 күн бұрын
some pianos almost sound like a guitar
@TheLifeisgood72
Ай бұрын
Now play it at the correct pitch for Beethoven (A=456hz)
@PianoCurio
Ай бұрын
Interesting point, I didn’t think of that. But still, there was surely plenty of variety before standardization and not every piano was tuned to Beethoven’s personal tuning fork. And do we know if he owned the same tuning fork for his whole life?
@TheLifeisgood72
Ай бұрын
@@PianoCurio You’d have to read his biography and see what pianos he had and at what years. Beethoven definitely tuned his own piano as most musicians did in his time but with his deafness, his later pieces were likely composed on an out of tune piano. So there’s a lot of details to consider. And he may have composed some pieces not on his own piano/in his preferred tuning. Also he used well temperament, not equal.
@PianoCurio
Ай бұрын
@@TheLifeisgood72 yeah it would involve some guesswork but it’s a cool idea to try to emulate exactly what he would’ve been using. Pianoteq has a condition slider to detune the instruments, so that could work for late Beethoven too, though it would still be a different piano than his favorite Broadwood from the later years. Didn’t consider those things for this video but will for similar projects.
@MrInterestingthings
Ай бұрын
Why arent there more pianoforte records showing us the many limitations of these old insufficiently stringy, colored, tinny machines. I want to try one out see how well if they respond to fingers and idea. Nothing compares to todays communicative instruments! The sonatas after op.53 lose so much. Mendelssohn on these. Chopins Ballades and scherzi lose on these. I cant believe Schumann had to use these things. They composed with the perfection in their heads the notes, lines, voices etc. ARE ON DEE PAGE but not in these oldinstruments.
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