"but before the ability triggers, they die" lord i love this video.
@ErikDragonHighlander
3 жыл бұрын
Haha, thanks, glad it put a smile on your face! I specialize in weird commanders, so please check out some of my other vids!
@robertc9363
2 жыл бұрын
Ok. I know you said dont build this...but then you go and make it look so gosh darn fun. Especially to use against my friends xenagos deck >:D
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Oh, man. It really, really is! I build loads of fun decks, check out my other videos while you're here!
@byronn.585
3 жыл бұрын
Quick thing about the rulings of the cards that target other creatures with “X” in their cost… Let’s use Infernal Harvest as an example. In the rulings it states that you may choose 0 as the cost for “X”. But it also states that, if you do use 0, you cannot choose any targets. So with that being said, you must return some number of swamps and then choose targets accordingly. It does not work the way it was stated in the video. Otherwise, great vid. Thanks!
@ErikDragonHighlander
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I discovered that about Infernal Harvest after making the video. That's the only card in that applies to, though. Hex Parasite and Retribution of the Ancients, for example still work as intended.
@goodrobot4818
2 жыл бұрын
You should totally be running liquimetal torque in this, it's a mana rock that targets from modern horizons 2
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Torque didn't exist when I made the video, but yeah it would definitely go in.
@DarkEinherjar
3 жыл бұрын
Horobi is fine... HOKORI (the Winter Orb commander) is the one that shouldn't ever be built.
@elvatodelosbichos
Жыл бұрын
thanks for the new commander i want to built
@amblefornow
2 жыл бұрын
The trick to playing Horobi in a mostly non-toxic way is to play it politically. Don't use it to lock people out with it unless you're about to win. Instead use it to: - deter people from messing with you - open up attacks for other players - reign in a player who becomes the archenemy Its still not a deck I would play all the time, but my play group doesn't hate it because I let them use Horobi to advance their own strategies as well.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
A thoughtful and sensible approach indeed. I prefer to just be nasty as hell with him 😆
@hiddenleaf414
2 жыл бұрын
Bloodthirsty Blade is already one of my favorite pet cards, that fact that it works so well in this deck makes me wanna build it. Would be my first mono black deck too. What’s ironic is my mono blue and green decks would actually work really well against Horobi since it’s Kefnet the Mindful and Rhonas the Indomitable, who both have Indestructible.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's a super fun use of the card. I really work hard at bending the intended uses of pieces where I can. Thanks for watching, glad you liked it so much!
@jlawsl
2 жыл бұрын
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth+Kormus Bell and this guy. Lands go away too.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
That's too mean, even for me. MLD is a no-go in our playgroup.
@seanwilde716
2 жыл бұрын
That’s absolutely disgustingly mean. I love it
@jlawsl
2 жыл бұрын
@@ErikDragonHighlander Its all on the playgroup, you are right. I only do it if I notice that people are trying to slip CEDH or dedicated combo decks into the mix. I play at a local LGS in the area I recently moved into and sometimes people will pop in turn 3-4 decks in casual games.
@jlawsl
2 жыл бұрын
@@seanwilde716 It is nasty. Just wouldn't suggest it in a casual game with strangers. Or your friends if you want to keep playing in the group haha.
@jlawsl
2 жыл бұрын
@@ErikDragonHighlander I don't do it either. Though, there is a local player that has Zurgo that plays MLD. Does your play group have rules against CEDH style combos?
@WBenIB
2 жыл бұрын
I haven't used my Horobi deck in a long time; I've been meaning to give it a tune up, and you have some good ideas for it. A couple of cards you might consider include Liquimetal Torque, Scuttlemutt, Tower of the Magistrate and Unspeakable Symbol.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Torque didn't exist when I made the video, Scuttlemutt has summoning sickness and is a targetable creature so *oof*, Unspeakable Symbol is good but just fell short of making the cut with so many other options. Definitely appreciate the input though! Thanks!
@deussoul8073
2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like I need to use this deck against my friend who likes to play toxic
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
It can certainly be a good, budget answer to surprise higher powered pods. I will warn you, though, it doesn't fare well versus decks with lots of interaction. Horobi is very fragile, and the linchpin of the whole deck.
@billtalent1
Жыл бұрын
it's just a hard counter to equipment decks. even if you're playing an Aura deck, you can just put an Aura on Horobi to remove it. a 4 mana mono black commander that is easily removed by it's own ability is a perfectly fine commander for a control deck
@themonkeyhand
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, never really seen Black Market. Just ordered a few, great commander card.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Yuuuuuuuup, it really can go crazy very easily.
@Malice_Lonewolf
2 жыл бұрын
You should try revel in riches. Amazing wincon with this setup. I also would avoid the return from gy as your commander will likely be exiled from gy.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, glad you enjoyed the video. Revel in Riches is absolutely a powerful wincon in this list, but I intentionally left it out because I designed the deck to be a kind of torture. No easy ways out here. As for the commander being exiled from the GY, that seems very meta specific and really not a problem I've encountered much. At worst it sets me back 2 mana. Not a big deal, mostly.
@orfeo-7_
2 жыл бұрын
Played againse these before. Incredibly easy to beat especially if you run black/blue. Imprison in the moon shuts it down as well as grave yard exile. Realy easy to beat. You should never center on your commander only theme based on it. An avacyn deck also murders this with any indistructable run deck. That said I have been running a massive amount of indistructable gisa this week because my group decided I wasn't aloud to play my white blue control. Fine then lmao.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Imprisoned in the Moon does nothing but kill Horobi, doesn't shut off the deck my friend. And sure, lots of stuff beats Horobi, just like lots of stuff beats your decks. That's the eternal rock paper scissors of the game, my friend!
@wurryergetish2714
4 ай бұрын
May i ask i know this is like from 3 years ago but is this deck still viable and can people enchant aura on horobi to kill horobi
@andrewwebb3813
2 жыл бұрын
If I were to build a mono black deck, it would be this or King Macar, no exceptions!! I may be in love!
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Dude Where's Macar is another absolute monster of a commander deck. Love it!
@Juggalo4k
2 жыл бұрын
No isochron scepter for touch of darkness or other instants that target all creatures?
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Scepter is a brilliant card, but it hardly seems worth the include as ToD and Tragic Slip are the only live hits. You could certainly retool the deck around it, if you'd like though!
@carolinedavis8339
2 жыл бұрын
Have you considered Veilstone Amulet in the deck as another protection piece for Horobi? Blanket Hexproof is hard to come by in Black, you just have to time it properly
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. The problem is if an opponent has priority, they can target him and the death trigger goes on the stack before I can respond by casting a spell and giving him hexproof.
@carolinedavis8339
2 жыл бұрын
@@ErikDragonHighlander That's fair!
@Dany-em6xi
8 ай бұрын
Great video! I was looking for my first black commander and I belive I found it! did you have any new version of it? :D
@kennethstarkey4360
2 жыл бұрын
I built a Horobi deck. I loved it. But yeah things got awkward once he got going. Once I had my board state set it was hard to deal with.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Yup, and he wins verrrrrrrry slowly, so it tends to be a bit torturous haha. Such a fun deck to assemble and go off with, tho.
@RealCraftspirit
2 жыл бұрын
Lmfao I literally went against that deck in a casual EDH table in my LGS, and I had a Shadowborn Apostle deck Heck he unknowingly boosted the heck out of me by basically creating me reliable sac outlets for value, and I actually won this Loved that huge backfire lol
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
That's Magic babeeeeeee
@aceofswords3215
2 жыл бұрын
I built a super budget deck for this card. So much fun.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Love it!
@jonathanvallario3701
2 жыл бұрын
Have u got a decklist?
@dustinwrightson7447
Жыл бұрын
This rule with mimic vat helpful to know cause it always to any comander you vat its funny how that hidden action to for ever losing a card cause man oblivion ring the same way make ppl mad if ring there comander then lose the game before the ring can be dealt with cause if dont that still removed under the oblivion ring silly hiccup to the game some many ppl argue it until look it up after 40mins for fighting about it.
@ErikDragonHighlander
Жыл бұрын
Anytime someone exiles a commander, including with O-Ring, that's a zone change. Its controller can simply return it to the command zone instead.
@PraetorGix
2 жыл бұрын
TBH to me it seems like a fairly balanced deck. Horobi dies to anything and cannot be equipped by protection equipment either. It sounds like your friends lose that much to this because they let Horobi chill too much on the board.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
We keep our playgroup reasonably casual, and this deck has a ton of recursion, so it's not too hard to keep him around.
@desunut
Жыл бұрын
Its been 2 years, with the addition of new sets like Neon Dynasty. Any chance of an upgraded deck if there is one?
@ErikDragonHighlander
Жыл бұрын
To be honest 😅 everyone I play with absolutely hated this deck, so I probably won't build it again. Bowmasters seems obvious, but otherwise there's not really a ton of big upgrades I can think of.
@desunut
Жыл бұрын
@@ErikDragonHighlander Truly unfortunate. I will say thanks for responding to my comment, I'll be checking your channel more cause this is a cool deck for when I hate myself and my pod XD
@ErikDragonHighlander
Жыл бұрын
@@desunut Thanks very much! I appreciate all the subs and comments, and try to respond to everyone. I'm not monetized and I only make these vids for people like yourself. I've got a ton of content up, and there's always more in the works! I'm currently releasing about one new deck tech every week, so stay tuned. Cheers!
@zackward8725
2 жыл бұрын
Fiend Bonder is a good Indestructible for commander as well
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Fiend Bonder didn't exist when I recorded the video, but it would definitely go in if it had.
@seanhuggins5382
4 ай бұрын
Will that not kill Horobi from targeting him?
@mattpotts995
2 жыл бұрын
Funny you ask us not to build a Horobi deck, as I came to that conclusion myself already lol I’ve had Horobi since the Champions days, and I was thinking of putting a deck together awhile ago. As soon as I started designing it, I noticed the deck got really dirty really fast, especially having in mind a lot cards you’re running, and others like Unspeakable Symbol. I never put the deck together since I expected nothing but groans from others any time I would play it.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
I was not so good at self restraint as you are.
@hunterstrong3318
2 жыл бұрын
I reffered to my old horobi as death glare
@wilfulbuckle13
2 жыл бұрын
The best combo this can run is Kormus bell/urborg. It's evil and I love it.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Great and classic! But without tutors, it's a bit hard to justify. By all means, build that version!
@wilfulbuckle13
2 жыл бұрын
@@ErikDragonHighlander I already run it in a selesnya deck.
@alexanderficken9354
2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, infernal harvest must assign at least 1 damage to each creature it targets, so you have to return swamps.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
I realized that shortly after making the video, nearly two years ago. I made a correction in thr comments but it's probably buried way the hell down there.
@alexanderficken9354
2 жыл бұрын
@@ErikDragonHighlander any thoughts about making an updated list? There are many improvements
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderficken9354 tbh the problem with this list is that it's all in on one thing: making your opponents miserable. It's not a fun deck for the table and it's not competitive enough to merit the salt. This decklist exists in a liminal control space where it doesn't win but neither can anyone else. I kinda hate it.
@dylansturm8065
Жыл бұрын
I built a Horobi Voltron deck just today. 😆
@ErikDragonHighlander
Жыл бұрын
That's a tough one to manage. He's got to be Indestructible or you can't equip/enchant him, and that's very hard to do in mono black. I'd love to see your list.
@antonchichona6700
2 жыл бұрын
Don't tell me what to do this looks fun
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
OK, OK, I admit it is definitely a blast lol
@babassoonist557
2 жыл бұрын
Oh hey this is very similar to my list. Good thing my friends are more toxic then me so Ya Gurl is still good
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Love to meet a fellow Horobi player! Glad you've got a group that it works well in!
@babassoonist557
2 жыл бұрын
@@ErikDragonHighlander yeah at my LGS I’m like known as the mono-black girl, I play mostly Horobi, Toshiro, and Phage, and I’m currently building Liliana. And I’m just always on the hunt for mono-black tech that I might not know since I’ve only been playing for around 6 years.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
@@babassoonist557 That's awesome! I've been playing for over 25 years and I was always the mono black player, ever since the beginning haha. Sounds like we're both in good company!
@EM10gamer
2 жыл бұрын
Just curious, would things like Urza’s Saga, Maze of Ith etc. be good adds to this deck?
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Both would be fantastic includes here, although they are both quite expensive pieces. You may not want to make that kind of investment for such a goofy, janky deck haha.
@SlavesWereGood
2 жыл бұрын
thats funny i just bought like 5 of these this week
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Can't say I blame you. It's an awesome card!
@C0medySeniorz
2 жыл бұрын
so here's why I cant keep watching this video. because I don't think people realize how easy it is to kill your commander. and the people losing to these decks are so hyper focused on their own board state they don't want to use any resource on you. I hope someone makes this deck in my play group. its the easiest thing to counter. if you keep killing that commander which is REALLY easy to do there goes half their deck. you cant save Horobi. not happening. every single way to save him literally kills him. there are so many worse commanders out there. this wouldnt even make the top 50 for me. its a well put together video though. Also, even if people cant remove your commander, they know who your playing. so they can just focus you before you play your commander. do people not know that you can interact with people BEFORE they become a threat?
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
The deck has its downsides, sure. There's a whole section of the video addressing the ones you mentioned here. But, hey, I'm sure you can find plenty of other deck techs I've done that'll be more to your liking. Cheers!
@nerdlabmtg
2 жыл бұрын
I have a counter/removal deck that doesn’t win but hates on anyone that plays a deck like this.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Do a deck tech for it called "Please Build A Horobi Deck"
@Kyrbi0
2 жыл бұрын
Neat!
@Spydermtg
2 жыл бұрын
i love this deck
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Me too!
@mrpopsful
2 жыл бұрын
Good advice, thanks Jesus. Oasis has the exact same text as Squee's Toy, and people make a funny, contorted, scrunched up face when you play one.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Yup, haha. Love Oasis, great card.
@sirarthurkingofbobland4159
2 жыл бұрын
Hi im Swede, when i hear "caviat" i actually hear "caviar" , isnt that weird?
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Haha nice. Caveat is actually Latin and means "warning." Now you know!
@shikabaneconga
2 жыл бұрын
what protects your commander tho?
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
There's an entire section of the video talking about the many, many Recursion pieces. It's impossible to "protect" Horobi in the traditional sense, so it takes some creative work arounds, which I have addressed.
@zackward8725
2 жыл бұрын
This deck would work well if all your creatures were Indestructible!
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Check the decklist, I included every available one.
@Servbot40
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with Erik, if you want to have fun and enjoyable game, where you actually get to do things, don't play this commander. The play pattern of this deck is, ramp Horobi out, watch him die, do something else, cast him again, watch him die. All while the other three players are developing their boards. On the other hand in lower power (worse than pre-constructed) tables this becomes oppressive to the point of not fun.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
The trick to piloting the deck is to not cast Horobi until you have the pieces in place to do some serious damage if an opponent threatens to take him out.
@Servbot40
2 жыл бұрын
@@ErikDragonHighlander I think that's partially the problem, it's not one opponent that wants him off the board. It's very similar to the tergrid problem, as soon as she hits she eat ramoval and the other two players protect the killer.
@zackward8725
2 жыл бұрын
Its a little cheaper and is black also
@another_loser6976
2 жыл бұрын
My friends deserve it for playing sentriplits
@syntaxerror2409
2 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha my voltron commander friend hated me for this hahahahh
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Lol I warned you!
@CoversIncorporated
2 жыл бұрын
Rise of the dark realms tho
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Great card. Super tasty with Horobi.
@JankyDice96
2 жыл бұрын
Ok but if opponent target him with anything he would kill himself istantly
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Yup. There's a whole section of the video dealing with this! Also, that's part of the fun. My channel is a space for weird, underplayed, and just plain different commanders and play styles.
@RaptorBlade
3 жыл бұрын
I was just about to build one though
@ErikDragonHighlander
3 жыл бұрын
Haha, you do you, friend.
@dustinwrightson7447
2 жыл бұрын
I can agree don't build this deck I have it and oh yeah the hate it gets it real speacal the dino revel for one black just nasty cause your not realy casting so there not expecting it so funny
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Yup, haha, it's insanely nasty.
@Ugin_Spiritdragon
2 жыл бұрын
Im a simple man, i see a deck im told not to build so i insta buy it and start wreck s#@$t
@callumbowen6604
3 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie I built a horobi deck based on the commander’s quarters deck list to specifically kill my one friends creature decks , this did not blow over well and horobi is still years later among the most hated decks in our group .
@ErikDragonHighlander
3 жыл бұрын
Yup. I think the thing that really puts it over the edge for salt is that it doesn't win quickly. It just kills everything and then slooooooooowly whittles away their life totals. Not very fun.
@callumbowen6604
3 жыл бұрын
@@ErikDragonHighlander thats is literally an echo of the reason my playgroup says they hate it
@dwaynecowart2451
2 жыл бұрын
Too late, I built him years ago
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
Neat
@YaqoubAlTayib
2 жыл бұрын
I beat Horobi with my Rograkh/Ardenn partner deck by using Ardenn's ability to equip my equipment to Horobi, dies, cast Dranith Magistrate lol P.S. I gave Horobi Colossus Hammer lol
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
You cannot equip your equipment to an opponents creature. Sorry, but you played incorrectly my friend.
@YaqoubAlTayib
2 жыл бұрын
@@ErikDragonHighlander Did you bother to read what my commander does? Sorry, but you played yourself my friend. Totally legal. Ardenn's ability allows you to use Grafted Wargear as targeted removal and I can switch aura curses from player to player, given they don't die sending the aura to the GY.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
@@YaqoubAlTayib Ah, I hadn't thought about offensive use of Ardenn. Didn't think he was worded that way. Fair play, I stand corrected. I had fully thought you were just using "equip" to move your pieces across the table, which is where my comment came from. I forgot Ardenn could do that.
@YaqoubAlTayib
2 жыл бұрын
@@ErikDragonHighlander No worries my man, I'd love to show you some day. Was my first homebrew and first ever commander deck.
@ErikDragonHighlander
2 жыл бұрын
@@YaqoubAlTayib Happy to see the list anytime. It's funny because awhile back I had a Mardu curses list on paper with Ardenn & Vial Smasher in the zone and the whole idea was to randomize damage, then use Ardenn to move the curses around and even it out. Completely forgot about that until this conversation, and apparently his ability to target opponents with his ability too. Well, we all make mistakes!
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