I would even add: add heads, tuning and play them like drums. Then any difference between these three shells would probably be almost unnoticeable.
@HighlanderNorth1
2 жыл бұрын
@@MadWinter889 But I prefer a basic, stripped down snare drum, with no head, hardware, or snares. Just a hollow piece of wood that I can tap with my fingers, like ^he did! 😁
@marshmower
Жыл бұрын
Make a 13" drum that uses a 14" head. On guitars this gives all kinds of sustain. Has anyone done this thing besides the gong bass drums Tama did?
@cello5841
10 ай бұрын
Pearl hat in den 70ern ein ganzes Set gebaut, bei dem die Felle 1 Zoll grösser waren als die Zargen. 15 zoll Tom mit 16 Zoll Fell, 14 Zoll Snare mit 15 Zoll Fell, etc. Dies wurde "Free Floating System" genannt. Interessante Idee, aber in der Praxis enttäuschend. Schlecht stimmbar, zudem empfand ich die Snare als monströs gross. Ich verkaufte das Set, behielt aber die Snare, entfernte die Kunststoffunterlegungen unter den Spannböckchen und montierte ein normales 14er Fell. Jetzt habe ich in meiner Sammlung eine wuchtige, laute Rock Snare.
@francoisalghisi5300
5 ай бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking...
@nicholasdyne
3 жыл бұрын
But also depends on the drum. On a snare drum, I don't want sustain. None are superior, they are just different. Whatever works for you!
@PhaseConverterampV
5 жыл бұрын
I agree with your point on shell resonance, it has a lot to do with the skill of the worker, and the quality of the fixture used to compress and heat the glue. I manufacture stave snare drums, I’ve tested them against ply and metal. I have concluded that the weight of the drum is very important if you desire increased volume at all dynamic levels. The increased mass moment of inertia of the stave shell is a bonus when the stick strikes the head. It turns more acoustic stick energy into sound, vs a light shell, which is less. If you want volume with less overtones than a ply or Steel, the Stave or steam bent is a good option.
@cartoune
Жыл бұрын
I was watching a Drum Dot Pizza video the other day where he broke down Sonor's research into drum physics. If the drum is rigid and it's hard to get it to vibrate, then that's actually going to maximize resonance. The sound energy from the drum heads and how well they can vibrate, not the shell. So if the shell is vibrating to the point where there's a tone, then that's all sound energy being taken away from the heads. I could have understood that wrong though. Have you guys thought about doing an A/B/C comparison of the two with the same heads/hardware?
@IndependentDrumLab
Жыл бұрын
You are confusing resonance with sustain- Rigid shells maximize sustain- the energy stays in the heads, and so they vibrate for longer. Resonance is when other parts of the drum get in on the vibration- creating a warmer, rounder tone. For max sustain, you want thick, heavy shells with sharp bearing edges. For max resonance, you want thin, low-mass shells and round edges.
@cartoune
Жыл бұрын
@@IndependentDrumLab So is resonance the attenuation of certain frequencies coming out of the head as the energy from them is being transferred to the shell? Or is it the shell actually creating a tone that's contributing to the overall sound?
@IndependentDrumLab
Жыл бұрын
@@cartoune Resonance is when the entire drum is vibrating along with the heads, and contributing to the overall sound. A very resonant drum will have a full, round tone, with shorter sustain.
@erikhamann
10 ай бұрын
A resonant shell is absorbing more high frequencies, a stiffer shell is reflecting them, which result in a warmer sound.
@ShawnxEdge
2 жыл бұрын
Thin shells = more shell tone also more open toned Thick shells = more head tone also more focused tones One isn’t necessarily better than there other it’s a personal preference and also depends on what you’re trying to accomplish. Also... if you mic your drums none of this really matters, just your tuning and playing abilities. P.S. John Good just called he wants his shell thumping mumbo jumbo back.
@jross3680
Жыл бұрын
Shell thickness plays no bearing on the drum sound at all. It is only the bearing edge, heads, drum depth, and venting. I can make a drum set out of concrete, tune it up, and you couldn't tell the difference between a maple shell if I told you to close your eyes and listen for the difference.
@ShawnxEdge
Жыл бұрын
@@jross3680 make a video and prove it
@ibleebinU
Жыл бұрын
1000 upvotes!@@ShawnxEdge
@drs-Rigo-Reus
3 ай бұрын
Ply is most solid for touring. Closet drummers get the steambent/stave shells for luxurious self indulgence. They also sound better.
@dwainvandijk3310
3 ай бұрын
Check out the Lignum Drums True Solid shells, one piece of wood hollowed out to a drum. Sounds fantastic!
@Manassasjunction
8 ай бұрын
First and foremost a shell shouldnt absorb as few vibration energy from the heads. Don' forget the influence of too much hardware and the tom-mounts or a bd sitting on the stage-floor.
@user-vf1rj9dd4k
4 ай бұрын
Shells do not resonate, they are a cylindric body to bear the heads you strike
@bluecarrasco
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This explains why my 1966 Slingerland 3-ply Artist sounds better than my (since sold) solid shell Artist... thinner shell!
@terrydonegan1622
5 ай бұрын
Very interesting 🤔
@bishopoftroy
4 жыл бұрын
It`s just different not better. and it`s also because is thinner. could be a weight advantage tho
@jross3680
Жыл бұрын
As an amateur drum builder, and a drummer, we aren't hitting drum shells, we are hitting the heads. The resonance of the shell itself is meaningless. All that matters is 1. The heads 2. Bearing edge 3. Drum depth. and 4. venting hole diameter. Thats it! If I took a DW drum and placed it next to an identical cheap drum set with good edges, tuned them up, and asked you to tell me which one is which, you would have a 50% chance of guessing correctly.
@derekmiller5085
Жыл бұрын
Hum...I think you're about 50% correct in this statement. :-) teasing) some folks are into the tech and some not. different strokes for different folks
@jross3680
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree, @derekmiller5085. Before I delved deeper into this, I was captivated by the 'science' too. In fact, I started making my own ply drums to replicate the masterworks kit I regretfully sold 18 years ago. I was entranced by the nuances of wood tones and shell thicknesses. But now, when I challenge my drummer friends to discern between different shells or identify birch from maple, none have been spot on without resorting to sheer guessing. The unique journey of a drummer revolves around discovering one's distinct sound. Despite all the marketing ploys, the allure of the perceived science behind drumming is what makes the journey so special. So indeed, I respect your comment very much. Different strokes for different folks!
@patrickmallet8178
10 ай бұрын
Hello je suis d accord avec vous
@francoisalghisi5300
5 ай бұрын
I should add the snare wire bed depth...but I agree the shell is not the part that vibrates
@MassimilianoCerreto74
Жыл бұрын
I worked a couple of years for a music shop and I had the chance to test hundreds of drum sets, from the cheapest ones to the most expensive ones. Honestly I never been a fan of stave shells or steambent ones, but every drum has a story to tell. That's just my opinion, nothing more than this. Go for what fits you, for what look likes most to the sound you have in your heart.
@toddcapiton6285
3 жыл бұрын
Good info. Glue has almost no impact if the shell is well built.
@desperanto.
7 ай бұрын
Beautiful drum kit on the left side! What's that turquoise finish/wrap called?
@tbone45040
5 жыл бұрын
agreed!
@ghostdrums
6 ай бұрын
Short, informative, on point, no bullshit. Great video! 👍
@papolosonoro
5 жыл бұрын
Hendrix Drums make the thiner stave shell ....... Amazing sound!
@IndependentDrumLab
5 жыл бұрын
Hendrix makes beautiful drums (and they are great people too BTW), although even their thin stave shells are still 50% thicker than our shells. I actually prefer the sound of their ply shells to their stave TBH.
@frenchtickler2k11
Жыл бұрын
Hendrix are good people…hahaha
@vandavis000
Жыл бұрын
Never had thier drums bought a inde drum labs throw off mechanism for my drumcraft 7 ply birch, an amazing device, Thanks inde drum labs for being great inventors.
@MartyMcFlyV
Жыл бұрын
Put lugs on it....then tap.
@uketubetv4696
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent! Thank you for a very efficient video.
@ryanforresterrenaissancesa4204
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your honesty.
@Mike_Isakov
3 жыл бұрын
nice video
@mschmuck2
3 жыл бұрын
But not to thin... ❤️
@jroar123
5 жыл бұрын
How does PVC then sound?
@IndependentDrumLab
4 жыл бұрын
Probably pretty dead sounding, like acrylic!
@MadWinter889
3 жыл бұрын
I am not a huge fan of comparative advertising.
@The_Other_Ghost
2 жыл бұрын
Barely is, to me besides the logo in the back it's myth busting.
@derekmiller5085
Жыл бұрын
I agree but I think that's why he's not mentioning who made those other shells. Plus when you're racing giants I think a small challenger might try all the different tools available.
@frenchtickler2k11
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the massively biased review.
@IndependentDrumLab
Жыл бұрын
biased is a funny word for "experienced". I make drums any way I want- I choose this way because it sounds best to me after 20 years of building and trying everything.
@frenchtickler2k11
Жыл бұрын
Are the steam bent & stave shells made by INDE?
@frenchtickler2k11
Жыл бұрын
You’re with INDE, it’s obvious you would choose the only INDE product in the lineup. That’s the only reason I’m saying the judgment is biased.
@IndependentDrumLab
Жыл бұрын
@@frenchtickler2k11 I am not making any judgement here- just listen to the audio. The INDe shell resonates better. Because I designed it that way. I didn't make a video to "choose" my shell as superior. I designed the shells with a purpose, and here I am, showing that effect.
@IndependentDrumLab
Жыл бұрын
@@frenchtickler2k11 I made the stave (before I started INDe), the steambent is from a reputable builder.
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