Correction Post?! - Don't say I recycled the HORRIBLE joke, we added Qwilfish and Stantler!!!!!!!!! - AKSHUALLY THEY'RE LEGENDARY "BEASTS" - In gen 3 double battes, if a pokemon is KOd its replacement is sent out during the same turn, so you can potentially knock out FOUR pokemon in a turn!!!!! Probably not tho.
@NoShotTwoKill
Жыл бұрын
I mean there was a challenge where you had to kill a bunch of shedinjas in a specified amount of turns in either coliseum or XD
@TheRamblemanWhoSings
Жыл бұрын
jokes get better & funnier the more times they're used
@dungeonpastor
Жыл бұрын
Slugma isn't gen 3
@stagelights_
Жыл бұрын
you kept mentioning how surf does half damage and i was like "that can't be right, spread moves do 75% in doubles", then i looked it up and you were right, the 75% thing wasn't until gen 4
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
@@stagelights_ yah we spent serveral minutes live double and triple checking spread moves
@smergthedargon8974
Жыл бұрын
If these videos have taught me anything, it's that gen 4 redeemed half the gen 2 mons.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
The gen 2 evos is the best part of gen 4
@troykv96
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if Gen 9 is gonna do the same with the other half.
@jesusramirezromo2037
Жыл бұрын
and Arceus saved the other half
@latrodectusmactans7592
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese Not wrong. God Gen 4 is boring.
@spindash64
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese Hey, that’s not fair! There’s also the Gen 2 remakes! Okay, yeah, base DP is poopie tho.
@Tama-Hero
Жыл бұрын
This video was a cathartic experience.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
I was getting so many comments telling me this game is actually good, I was starting to doubt myself. Now I've been V I N D I C A T E D! ...This game's horrible
@crenando288
Жыл бұрын
two of my favorite PokeTubers in the same place, Both of your Colosseum videos are excellent
@MrCrossmoss
Жыл бұрын
Bruh.
@anonanonymous9670
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese Yeah The game is horrible I've tried playing it 5 different times over like 3-4 years and have never beaten it because I always get bored quickly
@0_asis
Жыл бұрын
@Anon Anonymous grand colosseum or xg next gen. Both rom hacks 100% better because the obtainable pokemonnare better and the enemy's teams are enhanced.
@Robeebert
Жыл бұрын
Here's a pro for Bayleaf: Bayleaf appears early alphabetically, so in some very uncommon scenarios you would be able to release it earlier.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
It's also the closest to the catching tutorial, so you can speedrun the catch and release!!
@inkubus6192
Жыл бұрын
I feel like all this hype is one big, elaborate set-up to dunk on Meganium again.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
I'd never clickbait with a grass type in the thumbnail!
@EZog58
Жыл бұрын
It's very telling how much Genius Sonority learned about Pokemon mechanics between Colosseum and XD; the Battle Sims in XD are like a tutorial to advanced battle mechanics.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
I imagine they had much more time to work on the game itself in XD since the pokemon were already animated
@abbieburton2794
Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed cheese improving his jokes and adapting, it’s really cool to se- Wait this guy doesn’t evolve? Oh my god this guy is HORRIBLE hehehehe (fun vid as usual)
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
If I use the same joke enough times I'll get a STAB bonus!!
@nicocchi
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese honestly you should update your commedy repertoire and find better jo-- wait this guy's humor doesn't evolve? oh my GOD THIS GUY IS HORRIBLE -real talk keep doing the doesn't evolve joke it doesn't get old. Unlike those powercrept NFE mons. Doing it in japanese was brilliant lol-
@honeycrisp808
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese Better be holding a metronome!
@M3rtyville
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese You should wear a Choice Specs to get 50% increase justifying the over use everytime you switch in.
@Gigadweeb
11 ай бұрын
>Qwilfish? Who cares? If only we knew... the convenience is overflowing off the charts!
@ImportedCheese
11 ай бұрын
This was before we knew
@nessleepk
Жыл бұрын
Shuckle in the post-game is very worth beating the whole game, just look at those adorable Shuckle animations
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
True! SKY HIGH defense and cute animations, must be good!
@zesnow3918
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese the sky high defenses mean we get to look at shuckle more
@ItsAZues
Жыл бұрын
So that's why this is the hardest Pokemon game. 90% of the rooster of Pokemon to catch are all from Johto.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
A fate worse than death
@tupacshakur5868
Жыл бұрын
i know this is a joke to just roast johto mons, but this game isnt hard 10 y/o me just brutforced the entire game with umbreon and espeon: Even as a nuzlocke, its pretty chill
@tupacshakur5868
Жыл бұрын
@Ya Mum gale of darkness nuzlocke is quite challenging
@dse763
Жыл бұрын
The funny thing is that you start probably with the best Johto has to offer.
@joshtheryuk
Жыл бұрын
The only purpose of this game was to allow people to get Gen 2 Pokèmon in their RSE cartridges. The game was an afterthought.
@Ironwill3004
Жыл бұрын
I’m sure that hyper mode will finally bring out the hidden potential of grass Onix himself - Tropius! The plant power!
@Lumix_Corrupt
Жыл бұрын
*does he know?*
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
he doesn't know
@ДаниярЖахан-д6и
Жыл бұрын
Should we tell him?
@Empostir
Жыл бұрын
No
@orangesilver8
Жыл бұрын
I saw you about to put misdreavus into johto's finest and I started typing my comment about how just being a ghost type means the enemy will constantly waste their turns on it. Very glad you mentioned that. This is the kind of thing you need real game experience to know. I know from watching Chuggaaconroy's lets play of Colosseum where he kept it on his team because of how often the enemies would waste their move on it.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
We did a playthrough before this list!!! We're C O M P R E H E N S I V E
@aprinnyonbreak1290
Жыл бұрын
I think it's being a little underestimated here, ENTIRELY because of the Entei Admin guy. That fight is actually genuinely hard, and just having Misdreavus on the team means his aoe field nukes stop making him gain pokemon advantage every time he uses one. Go ahead and box it after that fight, but Misdreavus single handedly makes that fight significantly easier just by existing.
@sakuraflares7054
Жыл бұрын
You conveniently glossed over a huge upside for Ledian's viability. Using it will cause you to black out at lightning speed, allowing you to stop playing this game sooner
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
The hidden tech?! :SmolBug:
@borby4584
Жыл бұрын
I’ll argue that Taunt has ONE niche: the AI in this game knows when you’re going to heal status ailments with an item. So it’s VERY possible for you to use a paralysis heal on a Pokémon, only for the AI to immediately use Stun Spore on the same turn that you do. Taunt prevents that
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Psychic strat counter?!
@inkubus6192
8 ай бұрын
If you were to heal a status at the start of a turn, then Taunt with your other Pokemon, would the AI read both actions before their turn and just use an attack? Or would they try to status you again and waste a turn because of the taunt?
@borby4584
8 ай бұрын
@@inkubus6192 From my own experience, it's the latter. They only read the items, not the attacks, so they waste their turn
@TheLuigiBrother77
Ай бұрын
But if you could get off the taunt, couldn't you also just get off an attack and kill them?
@borby4584
Ай бұрын
@@TheLuigiBrother77 not from Umbreon it wouldn’t
@moleyface
Жыл бұрын
Re: Jumpluff's glitched shadow, I think I actually know why it does that and it's pretty interesting (to me anyway)! For older games, rendering actually smooth spheres is HARD. So it was more common to emulate true spheres by putting a spherical texture on a flat plane and angling it to always face the camera. It's less common nowadays as game systems get more computing power, but it was very much a thing in the N64/GCN era. But the thing is, a lot of 3D software will treat the alpha maps for actual objects and object shadows differently. Usually, a shadow will assume an object is opaque unless told otherwise. So what probably happened with Jumpluff is that the shadow shader wasn't told it has a transparent texture, ergo, you get cubes.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
A real explanation from the scientists at Cipher?! ...Or is this just grass propaganda in disguise?! Cool trivia, I didn't know this
@blazie42069
Жыл бұрын
Espeon is probably one of the best pokemon in this game and that says something! Also MANTINE IS ACTUALLY KINDA GOOD IN THIS GAME!
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
I dunno mantine's still kinda bad
@censoredterminalautism4073
Жыл бұрын
"Legendary dogs" Lions and saber-tooth tigers are my favorite dog breeds.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
I prefer cats
@richardqustmrk
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese cats are better Except Skitty
@cadencenavigator958
Жыл бұрын
I think the entire reason someone was like "grass as coverage is good" is because water is a really good type. The super effective swindle.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Everyone falls for it
@765craven4
Жыл бұрын
In PvP if your Pokemon hard loses to any Water/Ground or Water/Rock Types that happen to be common in whatever meta you're playing in and your Pokemon gets a solid Grass move it can be alright. Crobat with Giga Drain, for example, can catch Mega Swampert users off guard sometimes.
@cryptwalker2439
Жыл бұрын
hypothetically if jellicent was in colosseum it could have energy ball as coverage
@nicholastricarico2957
Күн бұрын
It's even worse when you remember Electric exists.
@dootsouls
Жыл бұрын
Y'know, Dudunsparce is a pretty good Pokemon. It's got pretty good bulk, and has good attacking stats, and can make good use of serene grace heatbutt- Wait, Dunsparce doesn't evolve? Oh my god this THING IS HORRIBLE
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
what a shame
@Begeru
Жыл бұрын
I forgot that Colosseum is like 90% Johto Pokémon. Make sense because lots of Johto Pokémon were hard to get or just missing from the GBA Gen 3 games. That was the main reason I liked this game. And yes the music is the best part!! Shame the gameplay is so boring. It definitely was a slog in the second half.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
It was all a racket, the original dexit just to seel you this game!!
@pazu9190
Жыл бұрын
I think Mantine should be higher because it hard counters Dakim because he just spams earthquake even against Mantine then hit them with super effective attacks. It lets you use earthquake without wasting a turn to protect.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Mantine is OK against Dakim...Mantine kinda sucks at dealing damage tho, don't fall for the super effective swindle
@ImPyroChad
Жыл бұрын
Lowkey I think the bulkier pokemon actually are a lot more useful here than you normally give them credit, especially with how barely anything in this game is strong enough to OHKO at all💀
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Most certainly not, bulky pokemon are worthless. Even saying they're useful for walling while tossing pokeballs is too much credit
@inkubus6192
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese I don’t think the “dead pokemon don’t do damage”, extreme MONKE style of play works when _this_ is the roster you’re given, Cheeseman. “Why would you be taking damage?” Because your best damage dealers are Espeon, who fails to OHKO things consistently, and Makuhita, who hits after everything else on the field. Love your analysis, but that contradiction is glaring.
@moeeyeguy531
Жыл бұрын
His appreciation of Jumpluff does bring a tear to my eye. This is his first step in turning to the grass side 😈
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Not gonna happen
@redflare4423
Жыл бұрын
Love this man, has a radio voice and good comedic timing. Really reminded me just how limited the roster really seems.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
The jokes write theselves....ledian....pls...
@ElekktrOde
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese U have to do pokemon XD gale of darkness next! great vid :D
@TheSandwhichman108
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t feel too bad using the pokeball glitch in this game. Mainly cause this game is absolutely brutal. Screw honor and screw dignity your ass just needs to survive.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Well...you do play as a thief lol
@Pichu441
Жыл бұрын
playing this primarily to get a Ho-Oh in Gen 3, the Tyranitardy tier ended up being pretty good for the 100 battle challenge to get it.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
true!! wish it were a bit faster
@mushroomdude123
Жыл бұрын
So I actually replayed Colosseum a month ago and even though the game was kinda boring, I think I built a good team despite what I was using. -Meganium: Sunny Day/Solarbeam/Synthesis/Light Screen I had to grind so much to get the Solarbeam TM, but it’s basically mandatory to use Meganium. It’s best as a tank to not get OKHOd by stronger Shadow Pokemon. I think it almost solo’d the Raikou fight because I forgot to heal the rest of the team. -Magcargo: Flamethrower/Rock Slide/Yawn/Protect I’m going to be honest, this pokemon is mostly just bait to block strong attacks. You get the Protect TM decently early (and you can buy more!) and it makes unwinnable matchups doable. Sun + Light Screen makes Water attacks easy to tank. -Plusle: Thunder/Helping Hand/Thunder Wave/Fake Tears Unironically the MVP of the team. I was shocked at how easy it was to OHKO opponents with Thunder. -Mantine: Bubblebeam/Confuse Ray/Wing Attack/Rain Dance Solid tank, Water Absorb has great synergy with Mag. Unfortunately Wing Attack is physical and Bubblebeam is 60 power. Gen 3 movesets are so painful to work with. -Furret: Strength/Iron Tail/ Helping Hand/Follow Me Furret jusy kinda showed up and did damage. There’s not much else to it. -Medicham: High Jump Kick/Reversal/Detect/Confusion Originally this was a Hitmontop, but I was so disappointed by how Triple Kick was it’s only usable move that I had to replace it later. Medicham isn’t that much better but at least HJK does good damage.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Truly a colosseum moment
@spindash64
Жыл бұрын
I went with Typhlosion, Espeon, Qwilfish, Flygon, Murkrow, Ampharos, and Furret in a bit of a rotation. Follow Me is pretty dang helpful, and so is STAB Sludge Bomb
@ceciunni
Жыл бұрын
great video, i always die at "horrible stats! horrible typing! horrible movepool! this thing's horrible!"
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
you'll never hear it this many times in another list again, at least I hope not
@topichu970
Жыл бұрын
was about to defend qwilfish, but turns out intimidate is its hidden ability
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
It would still be awful even with intimidate, SAD
@StarlightMagician
Жыл бұрын
Funny how half of the mons you can get in this game are in the "Would be good if it's evolution existed at this point!" Category (Aside from Weavile bc of Ice/Dark being special). Also, out of all the E-Reader Shadows, Scizor is arguably the only one that isn't redundant (the other two are a Shadow Togepi and Mareep, both of whom's evos are already obtainable anyway), though I wish it got better STAB options at the time. Speaking of which, you While it wouldn't matter in a Casual Playthrough anyway, Shadow Togetic has yet ANOTHER thing going against it. It's owned by the Wes Imposter who uses Mons in the Late 60s to early 70s. What level is Togetic at? 20. Fucking 20.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Just gotta wait one gen for Togekiss and two after that for Fairy typing...
@eduardoftb
Жыл бұрын
This game really was just "Pay us 50$ so you can complete your pokedex"
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
I want a refund
@AniGaAG
Жыл бұрын
Oh, love the new visuals. The Pokémon icons work really well for this.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
The icons are only here because I had them for the Snag Swap Challenge, but I might use them again. They're a real pain to download...
@patathatapon
Жыл бұрын
Over the years I've learned to dig in my heels on General Amelia. Mostly because, thematically, I like the idea of a little girl in a giant suit of armor. Also, I feel like Umbreon would have been better if it was given Reflect instead of Espeon. Then umbreon could just go full support at the start while Espeon just kills literally everything.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
General Amelia is hilarious, and with Seth to pick up the slack you can do whatever you want lol
@patathatapon
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese My favorite Sacred Stones run to date was a no Seth hard mode run. I allowed grinding specifically for Amelia, and Ross to a lesser extent. Once Amelia hit general, I'd throw her into a group of enemies (I gave her my free boots because I enjoy the salt from the tears of others) and she'd just wipe out the board because she doubled everything. Go little girl, kill your former countrymen! We're the good guys! We brainwash little girls into genocide machines!
@TheAxeLord47911
Жыл бұрын
My man knows what's up! It's such a cool character arc in that regard. :D
@arcuscotangens
Жыл бұрын
Let's be honest, this game was just a way to make Pokemon available after the shifting cave or whatever it was called didn't work out.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Gen 3 was the original dexit
@arcuscotangens
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese Unironically yes. I actually quit the franchise over that.
@topichu970
Жыл бұрын
hey, just wanted to let you know these videos are perfect to have running in the background over and over while doing chores :^)
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
I7d rather do chores than plan this game again
@Rubner5
Жыл бұрын
Yes, Remoraid is an absolute pain to grind but (in my experience because I've used it in my first playthrough) I don't think it is the worst pokémon in the game as when it evolves into Octillery it does good damage and has a great movepool, making it actually usable in the mid to late game despite its lack of speed unlike stuff like Yanma who can never become usable no matter what, so it has an edge based on that alone. I'd move it up a tier at least.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
base level 20 is SO AWFUL...I will not allow remoraid propaganda :FlameThrower:
@athath2010
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese to be fair, you DID allow plusle propaganda
@Canyoutakeitallaway
Жыл бұрын
@@athath2010 Can confirm that Plusle is absolutely bout that life in Colosseum. Give it a chance. I'm gonna try it with Remoraid next lol
@SomeGalwithaYTaccount
Жыл бұрын
Can't believe that furret was the highest normal type for once
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Only in the Colosseum!!
@marcoasturias8520
Жыл бұрын
Hey, it is the best pokemon for a walk
@borby4584
Жыл бұрын
Hey man, in retrospect, I think you were too hard on Dunsparce. Sure it’s not the best, but when it evolves into Dudunsparce, while it’s slow, it still can hit fairly hard and- …wait. You mean Dudunsparce was literally only added in Gen 9? It doesn’t evolve at all until Scarlet and Violet? …seriously?! … Okay yeah no you were right. This mon is TERRIBLE!
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Recorded before the discovery of Dudunsparce! ...at least they added Sunflourish, right...?
@redjirachi1
5 ай бұрын
@@ImportedCheese If they actually give Sunflora some justice with an evo, make it a Grass/Fire type like a literal sun flower. I call it Sunflorist
@christiandevey3898
Жыл бұрын
Misdrevous: "Don't cry for me, I'm already dead."
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Good type tho
@joeschof_95
Жыл бұрын
Love watching you stream this and can’t wait to watch the tier list!
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
It's been edited for B R E V I T Y (still and hour and a half...)
@TheEeveeKing
Жыл бұрын
Thoughts on Colosseum: It's a solid enough battle simulator with a story, but the content in it lacks something to be desires. The real draw to this game is that it's all double battles, making it a perfect introduction as to why double battles are good. It's a step or two up difficulty wise compared to most Pokémon games, there are a couple of fights you can lose if you don't come prepared. (Yes, online battling is harder by a significant degree, but what game's single-player is harder then the online?) The Pokémon available in this game are pretty laughable, but it's still better then looking for Kanto Pokémon the player's used since gen 1 to sweep the game, even if the selection does take a few years off my lifespan.
@TheWrathAbove
Жыл бұрын
I'd argue that it's main issue is that it's largely just outclassed by XD which does everything it does but way better.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
I'd argue that it's main issue is that it's largely just outclassed by XD which does everything it does but way better. Let's Snagging comments!
@verymelonman12
Жыл бұрын
@@TheWrathAbove The official sequel SHOULD be better so that's not much of an argument. Granted, XD is completely outclassed by Pokemon XG: NeXt Gen but that's a romhack.
@alicevioleta3184
Жыл бұрын
basically yeah, the limited roster is weak but it makes you use your head. pokemon but difficult is cool. doubles are cool. story kicks ass, soundtrack SLAPS. amazing game.
@veraxiana9993
Жыл бұрын
I only caught a handful of the livestreams during the playthrough but my dude i see how many countless hours you're putting into your content and it's very well appreciated!💜
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! This list was R E S E A R C H E D
@veraxiana9993
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese oh god i just saw the ending too and LMAO you can't make that up that's comical timing at its finest
@armythecat
Жыл бұрын
Really, how do you have such a good voice? It is just a perfect voice for someone narrating stuff or just kinda monologuing, like you do in your videos
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!! Very useful for being a keyboard warrior
@ihaveapersonaaddiction
Жыл бұрын
I love Wes's goofy smile in the intro, it's so stupid
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
He's in the wrong game if he wants to smile
@beaksters
Жыл бұрын
That one shiny scizor with every ribbon would like to talk to you
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
I saw that thumbnail! Not the video tho
@bananaspice1967
Жыл бұрын
My father, I require content now
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
You must wait. You have two days to R I P E N
@bananaspice1967
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese *dies of death*
@troykv96
Жыл бұрын
General Amelia is suboptimal, but at least isn't an active liability like to use a Grass Type in one of the worst games to be a Grass Type. There isn't enemy Swamperts as far as I remember, so using Grass attacks most of the time is just using poor man water attacks that is resisted for half of the types in the game.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Sounds about right
@ostint912
7 ай бұрын
I thought Yanma evolved in gen 3 so in Leafgreen I trained one up to level 80 before I finally realized he was stuck being Johto’s finest.
@ImportedCheese
7 ай бұрын
Dunsparce got me back in the day in gen 2
@Lumix_Corrupt
Жыл бұрын
1:26:25 brother that is just scovillain, you literally just predicted scovillain
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Psychic type?!
@solarstorm5242
Жыл бұрын
This is going to be glorious… Son, bring me my bike… We’re going on a trip through the sands of time themselves! Also, Chadbreon… Funny. I’m waiting to see how long you’ll take to put it in the C tier for its availability only, since its offenses and even supportive capabilities are terrible.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
There is no C tier. This game is too awful
@Skawo
6 ай бұрын
Rewatching this, the "Ho-Ho-Horrible" got me
@ImportedCheese
6 ай бұрын
Christmas is cancelled
@deltaquarayza
Жыл бұрын
I have never heard a roster of...well, anything described as anaemic. 10/10 commentary as per usual, sir!
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
I lost a lot of blood trying to survive thos game
@LordRemiem
Жыл бұрын
I want you to keep the THIS THING IS HORRIBLE joke! It's a meme and memes make a channel famous!
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Uh only if the pokemon are actually horrible tho
@JacobMcBaggins
Жыл бұрын
Still v proud of coming up with that Sunflourish pun
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your contribution!!
@EZog58
Жыл бұрын
Espeon is definitely top tier, Umbreon probably B or so? Being bulky and low power may sound bad, but helping hand can support your damage dealers and sometimes it's better to face tank shadow rushes when snagging is your top priority. I remember doing a pure Umbreon Espeon playthrough years ago and it was notable that Umbreon's primary moves were Return and Toxic lol.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Wish it actually had helping hand...
@EZog58
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese Wait, it doesn't? Swore it did! Yeah, that's not great for Umbreon at all.
@Mr._Ultracool
Жыл бұрын
Umbreon can still be pretty solid, though. If you teach it Moonlight, it heals a ton of HP which, coupled with its amazing bulk, makes it pretty hard to actually kill and thus a great choice for capturing an opponent's 'mon
@Leafsw0rd
Жыл бұрын
You know, according to rumours Dunsparce will soon join the Johjoke squad.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
I can't trust a leafblade knock off!!
@crisnopacote4384
Жыл бұрын
If triple kick had triple Axel base power could be good, a 120 base power stab could be pretty good
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Technician triple kick finally viable?!
@Zytigal
5 ай бұрын
Meganium with dual screens and body slam is actually really good in this game. That's the ONLY thing this thing has going for it in this title.
@ImportedCheese
5 ай бұрын
just attack your opponent bro
@darthmaul5413
Жыл бұрын
jolteon in xd is s tier Vaporeon in xd is a tier Espeon in xd is s tier Flareon is b tier Umbreon in xd is b tier
@windwaker0rules
Жыл бұрын
Vaporeon is worse than Umbreon because no surf, it's best move is water gun until hydro pump which is unreliable
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
uh are you lost
@darthmaul5413
Жыл бұрын
@@windwaker0rules Vaporeon gets Water Pulse by tm at Area 2 of Mt. Battle
@windwaker0rules
Жыл бұрын
@@darthmaul5413 that still not very good, you have less offensive presence then seel and shellder. And lack even the bulky defensive utility of Umbreon just spamming helping hand
@orangesilver8
Жыл бұрын
Alright up next it's time for gale of darkness ratings. I don't remember this one well enough to be confident that it was good but Gale of Darkness was good and I will fight you over it.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
You won't have to fight me because I agree with you!
@Samo-ju7hk
Жыл бұрын
Tbh I do feel you're undermining Surf a bit in this game, might be half power being a spread move and all, but Helping Hand is a thing in this game (you get it right away with Espeon) which boosts it back to normal 95 power. Plus with Stab and the Mystic Water you're most likely going to KO both mons you're fighting at the same time with any of the water types you get it with (even Quagsire), since enemy teams suck lol. It makes grind sessions in the colosseums way faster, and the entire Mt.Battle section with the Cipher Admin Entei guy a complete non issue since most trainers there has rock and ground mons. Quagsire in particular also gets Yawn which helps with catching, honestly a really good strategy with this game is spamming Helping Hand Surf or Protect Earthquake with Espeon and Quagsire and then Reflect Yawn for stalling catches (most shadow mons have physical attacks). I do think overall Quilava Espeon is probably the better duo since you're probably gonna be KO'ing everything turn 1 but the water types are definitely a good alternative for an Espeon team mate. Dunno how I feel with Umbreon and Skiploom above Quagsire, Skiploom is faster but it's only big niche is sleep powder and not much else, good for catching but not so much for damage. Umbreon is kinda in the same boat but worse I feel, good for taking hits but what is it gonna do after? 60 power Bite or Faint Attack? Doesn't have any moves that can sleep or paralysis to make it really good for catching, it kinda has a similar role to Bayleef in that it does medicore damage and that's it. Meanwhile Quagsire has sleep for catches and Stab Surf and Earthquake, only real thing holding it back is it's speed which is why I wouldn't put it higher then anything above Meditite. Good tier list though otherwise! A lot of the mons in this game wish this was a gen 4 game lmao, no physical/special split, no gen 4 evolutions and gen 3 learnsets kill a lot of them.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
You can definitely stack multipliers to make surf good. Water types can't keep getting away with it
@redjirachi1
5 ай бұрын
Colosseum reinforces my belief that Gen 2 had the worst overall selection of new Pokemon in the franchise
@ImportedCheese
5 ай бұрын
Hey that's not fair! You could use the Kanto pokemon in Johto
@redjirachi1
5 ай бұрын
@@ImportedCheese Fixed the typo
@heroicvileplume7184
Жыл бұрын
"Is it the Dawn Brigade?" "No, it's just Murkrow"
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
You'll like the next upload
@erichempel3175
9 күн бұрын
Keep in mind when Colosseum came out. We ONLY had up to gen 3
@chronology556
11 ай бұрын
Slugma is Gen 2.
@ImportedCheese
11 ай бұрын
Sure, pal. I get Skarmory is ALSO a gen 2 pokemon, right? GET REAL
@dany_fg
Жыл бұрын
Nintendo: "make a Pokémon game" developer A: "sure, what is a Pokémon?" developer B: "Done" developer A: "wait wha-" Nintendo: "thanks"
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
They did their best
@bethany5882
Жыл бұрын
I can't believe you'd say these hurtful things about Bayleef unsubscribing
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
No room for you on my team anyway!!
@PataHikari
2 ай бұрын
People remember the game fondly because it's good
@ImportedCheese
2 ай бұрын
people also like TIKTOK, people are WRONG
@foggernaut8876
Жыл бұрын
Personally I think Croc belongs in Es tier, it was the original starter in the speed run of the game. It wasn't until manipulation that Quilava became faster.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Yeah it could be. Fire type favoritism?!
@marcoasturias8520
Жыл бұрын
Funnily enough, if weavile was in Colosseum it'd be awful, since there's no physical stab for em
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
It at least has better stats
@Nauriek
Жыл бұрын
You know what this video made me want to see in a Imported, Premium-Quality Cheesy edition? A Pokemon Stadium tier list! Like, seriously, if there's one game with a more garbage roster than Colloseum, it *has* to be Stadium's rental roster. And i really want to see you put it on Blast Burn!
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Uh maybe...no promises tho
@aprinnyonbreak1290
Жыл бұрын
I feel like Misdreavus is being sold a bit short. The Entei Admin is actually a genuinely hard fight, that "just kill them" doesn't work for. Quilava literally just dies, and your other good choices are slim. Misdreavus is immune to both his field nukes, it is prone to making him kill HIS OWN pokemon more than yours, it is perfect for just sitting there, not dying as you hose down the other pokemon in Potions. I would 100% agree if it weren't for this fight. It AT LEAST has similar energy to gen 1 Butterfree. Great for the first real roadblock, then who cares, you just got an Entei to replace it with.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
We just beat Dakim with some real trash (had to use Hitmontop/Sudowoodo) and earthquake spam sounds scary, but as with all trainers his AI is wonky and his pokemon are all slow and (specially) frail - Typhlosion and Espeon can easily take them all out (Except for entei, who you want to catch anyway.) I think we gave Misdrevous enough credit, it exploits the AI well, but its base stats are just....too gen 2
@bluegum6438
Жыл бұрын
This was my first Pokemon game, ended up with Bayleef I think because Ash had one. I remember playing the game a lot (I used only Meganium and Altaria and grinded them both up to Lv. 100) but don't think I ever finished it somehow. When I got Ruby later on it was like eating restaurant ramen after only having packet ramen all my life, "ohh, this is what it's actually supposed to be like?"
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
yeah...barren game Thematic to a desert region!
@mantis9858
Жыл бұрын
All I really came out of this video with was a craving for lemonade.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Cost efficient!!
@765craven4
Жыл бұрын
I haven't played Colosseum in years but I've always felt XD was just a better game. Longer, more content and a better story. Better Pokemon selection by a fairly wide margin (and it honestly still isn't great). One thing I greatly appreciate about these games is that the boss fights are genuinely hard enough that they often require planning, which is more than most official Pokemon games. I've been playing a hack of XD called XG Next Gen that's been genuinely pretty good so far, and very challenging. Edit: Grass can be useful in this game mostly because of Status moves, which can help with catch rates and to potentially prevent them from KOing themselves with recoil. Edit 2: Made the 1st edit before the Skiploom section
@costby1105
Жыл бұрын
Many pokemon have higher catch rates in this game anyways. only Skarmory(45 - 15), Tropius(200 - 45), Tryanitar(45 - 10) and Togetic(75 - 45) have lower catch rates. Everything else has either the same or higher catch rate including entei, Suicune, Raikou and Metagross which all have a catch rate of 15. Throwing a pokeball at a fully health shadow Entei, will give you the same chance to catch as an ultra ball against a one hp Regular Entei.
@765craven4
Жыл бұрын
@@costby1105 Very true. But if you're stuck in a fight against a Shadow Pokemon and you wanna maximize your chance at getting a catch before it KOs your team or itself it's handy to be able to sleep it
@costby1105
Жыл бұрын
@@765craven4 Of course, but in tougher fights you might want a stronger pokemon. So thunder wave may be good enough.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
I dunno anyone who thinks XD is worse than colosseum
@765craven4
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese I think that's just because XD is pretty much an objectively better game.
@MugenCannon97
4 ай бұрын
Ah yes, my favourite legendary dogs, a lion and a sabre tooth tiger.
@ImportedCheese
4 ай бұрын
SICK of the pedants!!
@logans.7932
Жыл бұрын
Here’s what I’ll say to keep Dunsparce out of Johto’s Finest: please don’t be mean to him he’s just a baby :(
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
He gets to be onscreen the entire time! He's the heart of the Orre-boros!
@incineroar9933
Жыл бұрын
You know who needs a grass/fire form or Evo? Tropius. Tropical plants need additional heat to survive in colder climates like the one I live in. Also being quad weak to ice in a colder region/area would be a death sentence.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Just give Tropius something, man
@eliaquino137
2 ай бұрын
At least you get to choose their moves from level ups unlike the stadium games that gave you bad moves.
@Daan_Knobbout
Жыл бұрын
The exodia of HORRIBLE
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Hey that's not fair. Exodia only has 5 components, this game has far, far more losers than just 5...
@kevingudelj8616
Жыл бұрын
"Quagsire stats are...hopeless, they're so mad" actually killed me 🤣
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Quagsire is like Clefable where everything is great except its stats
@joshtheryuk
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese To be fair if we got Min-Maxed Clefable i think it might be a bit broken lol
@ray0064
Жыл бұрын
Colosseum is the Diamond and Pearl of Pokémon spin-offs to me, a game brought down by nonsensical decision. Oh boy since this is a gen 3 spin-off we should definitely have a lot of gen 3 Pokémon in it right? Oh man I’m sure all the kids can’t wait to use the newly introduced gen 4 Pokémon for their main game play through like Gallade, Gliscor, Mamoswine, Electivire, Togekiss, etc. it’d be a shame if they’d have to wait till the postgame to use them. Why I believe in platinum and Gale of Darkness superiority
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Hey that's not fair This game wasn't a technical mess
@jacobhollo5329
Жыл бұрын
Despite your warning, You inspired me to play through the entire game again😂 Have you considered making a video like this for the sequel to this game, “XD: gale of darkness”? There is a more expansive roster, more expressive characters (imo), and although you usually don’t cover this in your videos, it features possibly the most challenging post-game AI battles in any Pokémon game, featuring competitive gen 3 doubles teams (in smogon’s words). Love your videos they always make me laugh!
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
We'll probably play it this weekend
@Queterra
2 ай бұрын
Having just played this again as an adult after 7 year old me, I can confidently say this is a really good game for those that have the capacity to enjoy it, but is a torture experience for plenty others. The game is not for the faint of heart, it tests your skills and patience even with glitches, but it’s a very novel concept and it was very satisfying to beat. Loved to see your opinion, though!
@ImportedCheese
2 ай бұрын
I am very patient. This game must be destroyed
@Queterra
2 ай бұрын
@@ImportedCheese Agree to disagree but I love your content! 日本に生きるおめでとう!I’m very jealous! Your Japanese is significantly better than mine from it and it shows.
@PlotlinePlus
Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad people have stopped sucking this game off. It's not worth lowering the bar that much just to clown on game freaks animation.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
But it DOES have good animation at least
@diegodankquixote-wry3242
Жыл бұрын
This is the worse lineup out of any pokemon game where you can play the mainline battle system. What were they thinking!
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Take a wild guess
@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva
Ай бұрын
When I played through this blind as a kid, I got to a fight in the Colosseum against a Shedinja and I literally had not a single attack that could damage it _except_ Hail of all things on Piloswine so I'll always put shaggy pig in S Tier.
@ImportedCheese
Ай бұрын
How do you beat shedinja? It's INVINCIBLE!!!
@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva
Ай бұрын
@@ImportedCheese Unless a single snowflake falls on it.
@M3rtyville
Жыл бұрын
I honestly wouldn't even recommend playing the game for the models Pokemon and their animation because you get them in Pokemon XD as well and XD is just fun to play even if the setting feels more light hearted. Also XD fixes some animation like for Crunch and Fire Blast that took forever to execute. The only thing I liked about Colosseum is when Fire Blast DAIMONZU hits, it sounds satisfying. Otherwise it is the only mean to get Ho-Oh in Gen 3 without glitching to Navelrock in Gen 3. And if you want to use Gen 2 Pokemon in your Gen 3 playthrough and Legendary Beasts that don't run away all the time. And it is the only way to get Gen 2 roamers without them being affected by the roaming glitch. Because FRLG beasts will always come with crap ivs... kinda like my Latias from Sapphire...
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
we'll do XD someday
@CassiDS
Жыл бұрын
We've both played Pokémon before; anything less than 100% accuracy for the player means it's gonna miss at least half the time.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Be sure to check out the next SlowBro Science episode
@milesgerschefske6231
Жыл бұрын
"Experience is tight in this game" The battle tower might be a grind fest, but once you have any team of purified pokemon, its pretty easy to walk away with a team ready for any endgame encounter.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
I think the game assumes you grind, the mandatory/story battles don't give enough
@draconichero3474
Жыл бұрын
Would love to see you do this for XD Gale of Darkness
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Uh maybe someday, we'd have to do a playthrough first
@draconichero3474
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese Can't be any worse than what you just did for Colosseum, right? I mean, at least from what I remember you can purify much earlier in the game and you get 6 different typed Pokemon (including Hondour if memory serves) (looks it up) Yup. I was right. Plus, you can evolve your starting Eevee into whatever you want of your choosing, so I'm sure you'll have comments for that. Regardless of how long it takes, you always find a way to make things entertaining. You have a wonderful brand of unapologetic humor and I salute you for it XD
@smaugthefiredrake7840
Жыл бұрын
I actually loved this game. My absolute favourite game at the time it came out, and honestly it and its sequel are still probably my favourites now. It's the game I've replayed the most often, it was what I got my first level 100s in, it's my favourite story, it has my favourite characters, etc. etc. etc. Some of the things you dislike about the game are reasons why I love it - it forced me to use Pokemon I wouldn't otherwise have done, and made me appreciate their strengths. But that's the fun thing with spin-off games, they provide different things to different people and can therefore target certain subsections of Pokemon gamers!
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
I understand why people like it, but even super fan less angry younger cheese did not
@figgy808
8 ай бұрын
This popped up in my recommended, and im gonna watch because i have a soft spot for the gamecube games, but i will say i 100% agree that the roster is rough. This game in particular really emphasizes why the gen2 pokemon games relied so heavily on the kanto attachments.
@ImportedCheese
8 ай бұрын
At least they have evos now
@censoredterminalautism4073
Жыл бұрын
Grass types are great, you can use them to use Sleep Powder to catch things that aren't grass type. Checkmate, Cheese! Oh, the Chikorita line doesn't learn Sleep Powder, and doesn't even learn Stun Spore. Never mind.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
No grass type powder immunity yet, either
@CelticMagician
Жыл бұрын
Please ignore if someone has brought it up already, but since it doesn't seem to be mentioned: Slugma and Macargo are Jhoto Pokemon. Not Hoenn. They were introduced in Gen 2.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
It's only been brought up about 7 or 8 times. Honest question, do people actually watch the videos or just listen? I literally pause and smirk at the camera.
@inkubus6192
Жыл бұрын
Slugma’s a Johto Pokemon, only as far as you accept that Pokemon not found in Johto can be Johto Pokemon. Which I don’t. (Looking at you, Houndour.)
@M3rtyville
Жыл бұрын
Give Ariados some slack. It comes with Silverpowder that boosts its Leech Life by 10%. OP Granbull may not be a Fairy but a Furry. In Smogon In-Game Tierlists Vibrava is high tier and a target for one of the 2 (not 3) time flutes you can use. Only under that condition alongside giving it the 3 Rare Candies you get early on, it is tiered high. Never use Vibrava in-game unless you have spare Time Flutes and the Rare Candies. Stolen from the forum: Vibrava Availability: Shadow Pokemon Lab via Cipher Peon Remil. Found late game at level 43. Can also be found in the same area in postgame. Heart Gauge: 6,000 Points Overview: Frankly, Vibrava sucks. Its frail, weak, and the moves it comes with leave much to be desired, but Vibrava is commonly held in a positive light in Colosseum. A Ground/Dragon typing with Levitate gives it a nice selection of resists and immunities, and the reason why its praised is for what it becomes, not it starts out as. When Vibrava becomes a Flygon, which is only two levels from when it is caught, it gets a big boost in all of its stats. That 50/50/50 "bulk" becomes 80/80/80 which lets it take quite a few hits. It now has a good base 100 attack and speed letting it hit hard, and fast consisting of coverage that includes its dual STAB, fire, steel, dark, and grass. But even with Flygon's well rounded capabilities, it is TM hungry, and has a nasty x4 weakness to Ice, which is pretty common to come across in the later and more difficult battles it can partake in Additional notes: Because of how useful Flygon is, and how trashy Vibrava is, Vibrava makes one of the best candidates for the Time Flute, even though it only has 6000 points in the Heart Gauge. If one happened to save those Rare Candies from The Under, Vibrava also makes a good choice to use two of them if one immediately decides to purify it with the Time Flute. The TM for Earthquake also comes right after Ein, and Flygon is arguably the best user of Earthquake due to its speed, power and gaining STAB for it. Vibrava oddly enough has a very long confusion animation so if one does use it for battles, try to avoid opponents with confuse ray/supersonic. I think the problem with Skill Swap strats is that the enemy are too bulky to OHKO. Slaking is almost guarantied to kill 1 of your Pokemon since it is decently fast. Slowking will survive because Slowking. That is why many struggle and need to cheese their way out of it. Other than that, Batonpass Scizor is nasty as well as Bulk Up Machamp and Intimidate from Salamence forcing your physical answers to Slowking to switch.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Ariados lobby hard at work
@Rambling-Thomas
Жыл бұрын
This game was the price we paid to get Johto mons in gen3.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
It wasn't worth it
@Rambling-Thomas
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese I hadn't seen Noctowl since Gold and Silver, he was locked away in Ruby and Sapphire. The OG dexit! Child me who had no idea how bad its stats were was delighted.
@formy52
Жыл бұрын
That Jehovah's Witness pamphlet at the end broke me, that was so funny, and the Hymn of the Faith playing in the background, priceless. Not sure if you've played Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, but if you have, it'd be cool to get an in-game tier list of one or two games from that series. There's a good variety of pokemon, mechanics that are different and interesting, and it's the sort of game that would be hard for people to know 'what's good' unless they've ran through PMD a couple times.
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
I played PMD once, I'd probably have to again to make a list.The preamble would also be like......an hour long
@formy52
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese hmm, yeah, it probably would be a lot of effort. We'll, I'm sure it'll come round between now and the end of the time. I'll just bide my time until the inevitable Pokemon Conquest tier list.
@genesis7838
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese also, at least in explorers, you can't bring extra party members for most story missions and every other mission is easy so the list would basically be "this is the starter you want to reset for"
@athath2010
Жыл бұрын
@@genesis7838 which could be fine for a shorter video! maybe the pt. 2 could (only) cover the 3rd/4th wheels who're actually worth getting, with the others not even being tiered.
@formy52
Жыл бұрын
@@genesis7838 ah, of course, I completely forgot about that. A PMD starter/partner tier list might be good, as it would be way shorter like the above poster says. Still, that would all depend on Cheese replaying one of them which is obviously a big ask.
@exeledusprince9165
Ай бұрын
Did we play the same pokemon colosseum? My last playthrough I ran a rain team, Suicune, Raikou, Quagsire, Feraligatr, Plusle, Flygon. By far my strongest team ive ever played through this game with, and i for sure wasnt one shotting everything as you suggested.
@cn8229
Жыл бұрын
The roster being underpowered is actually one of the best things about the game, imo. I always found myself being able to use really weak pokemon and appreciating what they can do, which isn't something most of the mainline games can really say. This coupled with the difficulty of snagging pokemon and the double battles makes the fights much more interesting than in most vanilla games. I kind of like the harsh level curve for the same reason, but that's a bit less defensible. Obviously none of this will appeal to people who want to smash through everything with a team of strong mons, but eh, it's a spin-off for a reason. Also, Espeon and Umbreon are the best starters in any pokemon game, change my mind :P
@ImportedCheese
Жыл бұрын
Appreciate deez nuts, I had to use all this garbage in a challenge, there's no hope for any of them
@cn8229
Жыл бұрын
@@ImportedCheese Wouldn't recommend trying Garbage Green then haha
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