Cloyster now casually having a 281.25 base power icicle spear (factoring STAB) sounds like the easiest way to evicerate eternatus with a boost
@bwomsambi
3 ай бұрын
I have been a cloysterbro since forever I'm so happy it's getting the power it deserves
@nousername191
3 ай бұрын
Bro, I just did a Gen 1 mono water Challenge run and Cloyster carried.
@Chrysanthemumsie
3 ай бұрын
I happened to catch a cloyester end of one run, it came in clutch, and that was before this
@maboigrandmaster2993
3 ай бұрын
imagine a cloyster and mega heracross fusion
@akwasikyei135
3 ай бұрын
Cant wait for my pop bomb cloyster with silk scarfs:)
@SHMOUSEY86
3 ай бұрын
Don't forget that with Poliwag getting no guard, that also means Politoed gets it. 100% accurate Hydro Pumps from level up, 100% accurate Windbolt Storms from egg moves, and 100% accurate Blizzard and Focus Blast if you get lucky with TMs.
@RoninofCrimsonMaple
3 ай бұрын
100% Hypnosis
@SC_Silver_99
3 ай бұрын
Can't poliwrath get dynamic punch too?
@rareticket307
3 ай бұрын
@@SC_Silver_99 yep
@LoudWaffle
3 ай бұрын
I didn't get why they got it but the document said "don't knock it till you try it" but wow yeah seems like he has a strong set with it, no matter which evolution you end on
@SHMOUSEY86
3 ай бұрын
@@SC_Silver_99 yeah but when he talked about Poliwag he only talked about the benefits Poliwrath would get, so he mentioned Dynamic Punch in the video.
@captaindemozan2700
3 ай бұрын
Barboach probably had Ball Fetch in reference to that infamous scene in the anime where Whiscash swallows a Master Ball
@howdoiturnssj3
3 ай бұрын
SENTRET HAS BOTH RUN AWAY AND PICKUP. THE GOAT OF ENDLESS.
@Mrempoleon100
3 ай бұрын
Oh! Now thats something. Yesterday i hatched an epic shiny sentret haha
@NeXuS_i_Beyond
3 ай бұрын
So does zigzagoon now
@DWargs
3 ай бұрын
So does Zigzagoon, which is unfortunate, because it makes them feel too similar.
@PatrickLloyd-Deely
3 ай бұрын
Zigzagoon is the same but flipped and is better for endless as when you fuse them later you keep runaway instead of pickup
@christaylorraka4053
3 ай бұрын
@user-tl6qo4ck7c it depends on what you're fusing with. If you're trying to keep the other mon's actual ability or their passive
@HoodlumCallum
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! New Rom hack series this week, I promise.
@eldorado__
3 ай бұрын
does tough claws meowth stack onto the technician primary?
@tiger2498
3 ай бұрын
Slaking bout to go crazy, there's a reason why this mon has 670 BST & Truant in the mainline games
@MsVilecat
3 ай бұрын
Trace basically takes Truant away, no way that's anything but OP
@gururaven
3 ай бұрын
Only really matters in classic, in endless mode you could always replace it with a way better option via splicing. Trace is actually relatively pretty bad for endless unfortunately.
@Baby-Blue-102
3 ай бұрын
@@gururaven Splicing makes the BST an average between the two pokemon if i recall, thus splicing slaking with anything would make it's stats considerably worse. correct me if im wrong. so no, i think it does matter in both. but, from what i know, raw damage just isn't enough past a certain point in endless.
@glumreaper8885
3 ай бұрын
In most cases the mons with weather/status abuse/huge power/type specific boosts are generally going to be far better. In this game slaking doesn't have any other power on its side and even nullifying the bad ability doesn't go far enough.
@gururaven
3 ай бұрын
@@Baby-Blue-102 you splice him with something complimentary - like a mega Mawile for example. Raw damage stops working around 2500-3000 depending on who your carry is and how you built it.
@justadude450
3 ай бұрын
Huge Power on Tinkaton fit to me because it carries a giant metal hammer that ways 11x what it does but it only has 75 attack. I know they just gave it Huge Power because it's strong but it made sense.
@PeppermintTiger3
3 ай бұрын
Only 5 minutes in right now, but people probably need to know they've already patched out mid-battle form changes. Now you have to choose at the reward screen, which makes changing between two or more forms much less powerful. Edit: Spaghetti sauce. If you know you know ;)
@nousername191
3 ай бұрын
Oooh yes, Ogerpon was cracked. Ivy Cudgel basically had 4 types that you could pick between every turn.
@1BlueYoshi
3 ай бұрын
I was literally 2 candy away from unlocking Huge Power Tinkaton :I
@nathanpoussin6620
3 ай бұрын
Same bruh I just finished farming candies today That ability is such a huge nerf
@WillOfDavy
3 ай бұрын
This, having the groudon, having the swampert, the Greninja. I hate this update
@jwalkin660
3 ай бұрын
Same. Such a sad day
@sanelu949
3 ай бұрын
I just unlocked it today 💀
@doctorriptide2264
3 ай бұрын
Yo I just got tink’s 30th candy today wtf
@johnnantes1285
3 ай бұрын
The reason irredeemable pokemon like luvdisc and sentret get pickup is because they are extremely cheap starters, especially when the cost is reduced which can be really good if they have luck 2 or 3
@advilnight1441
3 ай бұрын
sturdy squirtle is actually insane in classic... it allows you to abuse shell smash into bouncy bubble. set up a shell smash take a hit. bubble kill and heal to full. shell smash. get knocked down to sturdy. bubble kill and heal to full. set up last shell smash and be +6 attack +6 spc +6 speed. sweep
@Hackzor404
3 ай бұрын
Can also run protect with 3 decent coverage moves, later into endless heal moves fall off as your health is way higher than enemies, better to fuse with something like primal Kyogre to get drizzle and origin pulse, thunder, ice beam and protect
@jaimereupert4247
2 ай бұрын
Only until trainer battle, which is about every other floor once you reach floors 180+. About every 3-4 floor normally. Plus the rival battles and possible gym battles every 30 floors.
@theotroup3105
3 ай бұрын
Parental bond explosion from koffing
@qbertsandy1367
3 ай бұрын
*war flashbacks*
@j.hadens
3 ай бұрын
the only problem is parental bond not being implemented yet, I´ve had a tier 3 shiny Deino from day 1 and is like not having a passive :(
@memenazi7078
3 ай бұрын
@@j.hadensthat sucks, parental bond isn’t even that good anyways
@PatyLaIguana_
3 ай бұрын
Archeops should get regenerator. It fits better and it makes it so you still have to play around defeatist.
@Crazed3raser337
3 ай бұрын
Same with Golisopod
@justsaiyan9657
3 ай бұрын
Top tier idea tbh even if it doesn’t make as much sense for the Pokémon it’s definitely a lot more interesting and you don’t feel as bad about healing them to use em
@memenazi7078
3 ай бұрын
Bugs have incredible regenerative abilities
@discodeath8425
3 ай бұрын
Flower veil description is bad because it only describes one of the 3 things it does. - Prevents allied grass pokes from status reduction (like clear body) - Prevents allied grass pokes from volatile status effects (purifying salt without ghost resistance) - The Big One: If the user is also a grass type: both of these will apply to them as well. It basically gives the user clear body and status immunity at all times. Not an “amazing” ability, but I think it can be very good!
@discodeath8425
3 ай бұрын
Snow warning on Articuno is def crazy good. It has Snow Cloak, which means that the guaranteed snow will boost defense by 50%, boost evasion by 20%, and make blizzards never miss (technically boosting accuracy by 45%)!
@PersonOfRandomnesss
3 ай бұрын
Thank goodness someone said this, I was looking through the comments dumbfounded that bo one was making this clarification. Flower Veil honestly is very underrated anyways- Status immunity immediately without weather.
@flamingythermit314
3 ай бұрын
So flower veil is kinda like Good as Gold but it also applies to your partner in doubles...yeah that's actually very good
@PersonOfRandomnesss
3 ай бұрын
@@flamingythermit314 For the most part, but arguably better- it stops all status and stat drops so icy wind, Intimidate, lunge (for a random assortment) can't drop your stats and you can't get caught by status from stuff like nuzzle, flamethrower, sludge bomb, ice beam. And there are a few things that Good As Gold can block that this doesn't to further differentiate. Regardless, very strong, but that caveat of needing to be grass makes it super limited - it's only real distribution being on pure Fairy type, forcing it to doubles only (outside of niche gimmicks that wouldn't work in practice). Being on a grass type might be too much... if grass type (both as a typing and grass types in general) were better.
@japersp.7176
3 ай бұрын
Hearing that Hoppip went from Prankster to Fluffy is devastating since it was one of the 1st shiny pokemon I ever hatched 😢. I even still have it on my team in my first successful Endless run on Floor 1600+ (can't remember the exact floor).
@DWargs
3 ай бұрын
I'm very much in agreement on with you on a lot of the opinions you're expressing in this video. Personally, I think they really didn't really think things through. While there are some much needed ability buffs, some of them just do not fit thematically, and therefore doesn't feel like a Pokemon game. Spamming the same abililites over and over isn't fun. It's not creative or interesting, and many of these Pokemon just....don't deserve those abilities and don't fit those abilities. In this patch, they gave THIRTY THREE immunities and dozens of resistances, many of which _were_ weaknesses, not to mention Fur Coat/Ice Scales to a bunch of different mons. That is not okay, because now, we have to face all that in Endless mode for bosses. No thank you. I am not looking forward to facing Boss Desolate Land Magcargo paired with Boss Heatran with Earth Eater, or Well Baked Body Simisage,. I'd be much happier if they gave Pokemon like Slakoth and Archen and Wimpod hidden abilities, rather than eliminating their harmful abilities with Trace. That can be fun and interesting. Comatose Slakoth! Rocky Payload Archen! Shell Armor Wimpod! Trace is a terrible and lazy workaround.
@Silulaya
3 ай бұрын
"Creative and interesting" is completely subjective and sounds like you're just projecting, what is the point of a system u need to spend hours upon hours to farm out a passive if they aren't worth anything? The idea is that the system is a reward structure for playing the game with your favorites, so by proxy your favorites get stronger, the concept in of itself isn't meant to be the peak of creativity
@DWargs
3 ай бұрын
@@Silulaya or maybe the point is that it's up to the player to decide whether the passive is worth going for? Or maybe that giving a pokemon fun and fitting abilities makes for unique team builds? Spamming Moxie/Beast Boost/Ice Scales/Fur Coat and immunity abilities isn't interesting. There are other abilities that could buff pokemon while giving those pokemon an opportunity to shine in niches they already have or create their own new niche. For example, Blissey already had an awesome passive in Triage! It doesn't need Fur Coat at all. It can leave tanking physical hits to another pokemon entirely. And Look, Swift Swim Drizzle is a fun combo....if one or maybe two Pokemon have it. But five or six is too much. We don't need to turn every Pokemon into a sweeper.
@Silulaya
3 ай бұрын
@@DWargs Well this would assume moxie/beast boost / ice scales / fur coat are spammed which they aren't if you look at the sheet all the abilities you have listed have under 10 distributions each for over 570 pokemon? Why do you keep usiong the words "all" and "every"? You understand how many pokemon there are right? It is up to the player to decide if it is worth, that is why the passives were made easy to distinguish their worth to the player. Nobody is gonna farm 4 hours for mimicry mimikyu (an old passive) it just has too little practical use, its funny and cool, but its not worth your time to farm. the system was designed to reward the player, if you are saying the system is rewarding the player with strong passives then it sounds like the system is doing its job. Make players play more under the guise they will be getting a strong passive for their favorite!
@DWargs
3 ай бұрын
@@Silulaya "under 10 distributions each" My friend, I'm not talking about one ability in a vacuum. When designing a game, you have to consider all the aspects of it together. I lumped all those abilities in for a reason, just like how I lumped together the immunities and resistances. It's patterns. It's repetitive and redundant, but more importantly, it's redundant and repetitive, as well as very repetitive and redundant, and even repetitive and redundant! You see how the above sentence became more and more meaningless and less clever and interesting after every iteration? That's my point! The team has got hundreds of abilities to choose from, and this is the best they could think of. Just copy and pasting the same strategies over and over. Sentret and Zigzagoon are a good example here. Why make them mirrors of each other? They should be keeping abilities that separate them from each other, not make them even more similar. It's a small example of the overarching problem with this patch. "Scrappy on a Normal Type Pokemon! Oh, and...Scrappy on another Normal Type Pokemon? Huh, and...Scrappy on a Normal type Pokemon...." "Swift Swim and Drizzle! So cool! Oh, oh wow, they gave Drizzle to another Swift Swim Mon? Oh, and now a Swift Swim Mon to a Drizzle Pokemon..." You noticed it in Callum's video, and I was the same way. The more you repeat, the less it's neat. And no, the passives do NOT have to all be rewards. The act of unlocking the passive for the pokemon can be a reward in itself. Just like there were already people doing challenge runs or working towards beating the game with every pokemon before the game ever explicitly rewarded you for it. This is a rogue-like. Not every unlockable or build is optimal. Part of your task as the player is to discern which strategies work best and plan accordingly. For some pokemon, it should be that you prioritize reducing cost, rather than going for a passive ability. There's more layers to the game than "every pokemon should get a good ability"
@Silulaya
3 ай бұрын
@@DWargs this is all just your subjective opinion you're trying to project onto other feels a little selfish. Don't think sniffing your own farts and claiming your idea is peak game design even if it makes sense is whats best for a game to be fun, if anything you're advocating for things to be less good for the sake of "unique" like brother its pokemon, they're already plenty unique lmao
@WillOfDavy
3 ай бұрын
I can't tell if a lot of this is just rewriting because the last guy had a controversy, but at least that person felt like they had some thought process A lot of the old passives were fine changes, this is just frustrating to have put so many hours into things that got gutted
@AshtonTheMelon
3 ай бұрын
I think calling it a controversy is ridiculous. Dude just didn't feel the game was representing his journey through his faith. I do agree though. A lot of these changes feel like "let's give it a stat buff."
@oscarperez-cr4ee
3 ай бұрын
The main dev that left knew what he was doing. New devs "think" they know, people loved this game because there is broken shit, start "fixing" for the sake of balance and see how it dies out. They should focus on adding more bosses and more modes.
@maudama5489
3 ай бұрын
Prakster smeargel... Every VGC player will get nightmares just from hearing that
@AdminAbuse
3 ай бұрын
Nightmare spelling too
@BlueCrimson10
3 ай бұрын
Why? I feel like I was told before, but I can't remember
@quorryraphael9980
3 ай бұрын
@@BlueCrimson10 Is there a dark void where the memory used to be?
@BlueCrimson10
3 ай бұрын
@@quorryraphael9980 Ah yes, something about sketching Dark Void and generally being annoying enough to nerf Dark Void
@eeveeongirl
3 ай бұрын
But doesn't it actually ruin smeargle? Would sketch trigger the prankster and thus fail?
@nousername191
3 ай бұрын
Zigzagoon gets Run Away as a passive. No more Unown/Raticate fusions to compress Pickup and Runaway! And I already have a luck 3 Zigzagoon! Oh I like this change.
@prestinryan5373
3 ай бұрын
I think giving sentret pickup is sleeper VERY good in endless. Specifically for role compression on later stages. Making sure that you can keep your pickup mon and assuring that you have a runaway mon as well
@trublaze
3 ай бұрын
2:03:58 If I'm reading it right, Prankster+Mycelium Might Toedscool would go last in the +1 priority bracket when using status moves
@aery136
3 ай бұрын
Primarina has Torch Song, Alluring Voice, and also Hyper Voice affected by Liquid Voice. And these are all affected by Punk Rock. Underrated Queen
@Secluded_Shadow
3 ай бұрын
simple Eevee is insane because they gave it no retreat as an eggmove, i used it on Vaporeon in a gen 1 run and it swept it the whole thing with revelation dance, icebeam, no retreat, and bouncy bubble for some recovery.
@cornonjacob
3 ай бұрын
1:19:05 from the mon in isolation well baked body doesn't make sense with pansage, but looking at it's lore within the game it kinda does bc chili, cilan, and cress used the monkeys to help cook in their restaurant. They were also implemented as the tutorial on type matchups, so I think it's fun for the passives to flip that on its head
@RibombeeTeacher
3 ай бұрын
I literally just beat a gen 1 only run with a poison heal parasect and now it's gone ... It was fun while it lasted.
@justinmoore3669
3 ай бұрын
Triage is better if sappy seed works with it. Most of the time, it gets outsped and ohkod.
@LordHeishin
3 ай бұрын
Paras finally had a niche in endless with poison heal passive because of the berry nerf, now he's immediately relegated back to shitmon status 😭
@RibombeeTeacher
3 ай бұрын
@@justinmoore3669 see I never had that problem ... admittedly first impression definitely solves its problem. But ngl Dry Skin and Poison Heal gave it pretty good sustain. I even got tera water in the last couple of waves so it could sit in on E-max and get a sappy seed off no problem.
@RibombeeTeacher
3 ай бұрын
@@LordHeishin this is very true. I need to start up a new endless as my last run died at 2600 ... but I enjoy the classic runs more
@jolecaes2517
3 ай бұрын
@@justinmoore3669 leech life too, i guess, but i really wanted to try out poison heal, i'd just unlocked it and was looking forward to it
@thewalt200
3 ай бұрын
I definitely get what you were saying and were frustrated with some of these passives. The thematic ones work and are nice like Cramoramt having lightning rod because pikachu is in there, but SO SO SO many of these passives feel like “oh you have a quad weakness? Here just take an immunity for that instead” which is nice but good lord gets obnoxious after a while. Iron Moth doesn’t need levitate to be strong, it already IS strong and could have been given a different ability to highlight it/change its playstyle instead
@slickrounder6045
3 ай бұрын
These are the videos we need. Pokerogue is blowing up in popularity, now with nearly 100k players simultaneously playing at peak times, so analysis of the ever changing metagame is important. I spent hours updating my lists of starters with their new passives and sometimes egg moves, so its good to see commentary on their merits.
@MrRyudragon
3 ай бұрын
i think the charmander change to beast boost is fine considering sheer force isnt implemented its still lame its not cause sheer force nidoking is like one of my fave pokemon its better to have a working ability/passive than none at all
@MsVilecat
3 ай бұрын
Beast boost is also useful for every build you make unlike sheer force.
@shamwaw7791
3 ай бұрын
How is Flash Fire on Groudon an "Improvement"? IMO its worse than Protosynthesis.
@whydoiexist4124
3 ай бұрын
Earth Eater would make more sense tbh.
@devilgamer1998
3 ай бұрын
The "improvement" is a bit misleading, at the start of the video he said that he means it as compared to the pokemon with no passive, not compared to its old passive. Flash fire is a big downgrade compared to proto yeah, though now through recommendations (in other words, huge backlash plus a couple good ideas) from the discord, they changed it to turboblaze which is nice with sturdy and a lot of new levitate + earth eater
@shamwaw7791
3 ай бұрын
@@devilgamer1998 Thats what I get for skipping to pokemon Im interested in I guess. Though its hard to imagine a pokemon getting "worse" by having a passive than without one.
@lchidan2782
3 ай бұрын
I mean with flash fire it get immunity to any potential powered up fire moves and yeah I do think photosynthesis is better overall but immunity is always appreciated too
@nousername191
3 ай бұрын
Apparently it just got changed to Turboblaze
@drax1526
3 ай бұрын
I well and truly do NOT understand why Froakie got Adaptability taken away.
@XannnyTanner
3 ай бұрын
Across the board pokes with multi hit stab moves got hit. Builds using Greninja, Tande, etc just trivialized any challenge in a lot of ways imo.
@drax1526
3 ай бұрын
@@XannnyTanner With how often Greninja leaves the Battle Bond mode, I tend to disagree a bit on that note.
@XannnyTanner
3 ай бұрын
@drax1526 That is fair, I was more saying that multiple Mon had their main engine passive changed. Greninja might have not deserved the hit as much as others, but with good IVs he could easily solo most floors with little to no danger.
@portwise23
3 ай бұрын
Squirtle's Sturdy makes Mega Blastoise an incredible pick for the super late game, especially if you can fuse it with Polteageist. With the way berries work, if you get the berry bags and a bunch of stat boosting berries stacked up, you can safely shell smash (as long as you are at full hp), then get max stat buffs from your berries +heal up back to almost full. Then, the reason you want Polteageist is weak armor and stored power. It's an incredible build that just goes on and on, destroying the super late game
@TheMasterBlaze
3 ай бұрын
For Toedscruel, Prankster only kinda bypasses Mycelium Might. It still goes last in it's Prio Bracket, but it's now in the +1 Pro Bracket. So you have one of the, if not, THE strongest status mon in the game becuse your fast status can't be ignored unless the target is immune. Toedscruel is a staple on my Classic runs and it always puts in the work.
@TheMurderBird
3 ай бұрын
Bro its a single player game wtf is this?? Just got huge power tinkaton and a tier 2 shiny paras with poison heal last night for nothing, meanwhile half the abilities and moves aren't properly working yet. The devs need to realize having a perfectly balanced game doesn't = a fun game.
@BlueCrimson10
3 ай бұрын
I heard that these changes might be to accommodate a PvP mode that's in the works, that the game absolutely doesn't need because we still have Showdown.
@gururaven
3 ай бұрын
Poor yungoos had such a brief time to shine...
@simplyayu_pkmn
3 ай бұрын
Ty for the original tier list and this updated one, big work!
@memenazi7078
3 ай бұрын
33:35 remember goldeen can have lightning rod giving it one weakness: grass. Multiscale makes it always take at least 1 hit.
@Howiex13
3 ай бұрын
hot take: I like a lot of the changes. I think a lot of what is being said comes from a place of wishing for more individual mons to be unique (they already weren't aside from stats), but that's just not going to happen this fast and re-using pre-existing abilities. A way they could do what Callum mentions as preferred is if they start making custom abilities/passives. Plus this is a game with fusion, all of them could be functionally the same mon in a long enough endless run. (and frankly they have to be, but that's a different issue)
@professoryorick5676
3 ай бұрын
ive been doing ironmon classic runs, and i can confidently say mega venusaur runs are SO MUCH easier with egg moves than with nothing lol
@MC96-
3 ай бұрын
It seems Callum doesn't know Regigigas has Normalize as hidden ability in this game, it's actually really cool.
@tristbutch
3 ай бұрын
The issue with mantyke is that you also need to take remoraid to evolve it
@ezzzzyyy
3 ай бұрын
Accounting for adaptability and 5 fainted pokemon, basculegion gets a 1050 BP move
@jameswaag7464
3 ай бұрын
So the most likely reason for giving Regigigas Mind's Eye is because in Pokerogue it can get Normalize as a Hidden Ability, ditching Slow Start in exchange for only being able to use Normal attacks; Mind's Eye let's it hit ghost types while using its hidden ability.
@nukacm
3 ай бұрын
Is sturdy not the most coveted ability to have if we’re talking endless mode?
@HoodlumCallum
3 ай бұрын
Sure
@zey8283
3 ай бұрын
Gmax blast with sturdy is good and now poison heal in the game it can full heal metal burst now
@SarzeLight
3 ай бұрын
I Think Morellul Getting Well Baked Body Is a Joke. "Baked" Meaning High And It Being a Psychedelic Mushroom.
@slickrounder6045
3 ай бұрын
@18:00 No Triage certainly doesn't affect Sappy Seed, since it doesn't even affect Leech Seed. While it does help Parasect's Leech Life and and Horn Leech egg moves, i'm not convinced that Parasect should be anywhere near "Really Strong" ("improvement" makes more sense). 1 cost from the start notwithstanding, he still has an abysmal 405bst (345 relevant when ignoring the useless 60 special attack), which Triage granting +3 priority to his dual stab leech moves somewhat compensates for in terms of partially solving his abysmal 30 speed, but at the end of the day his horrific bug/grass typing prevents it from functioning due to 6 weaknesses and crippling 4x fire and 4x flying (rendering him dead weight against Rayquaza/Eternatus). In an imaginary world where Triage affected the insane Sappy Seed, THEN he would actually be viable since he can guarantee plant a leech seed on them, which would be huge.
@theermac6024
3 ай бұрын
Sharpness Super Luck Absol is gonna swords dance once and explode everything with Night Slash crits. We just need Sniper Scope, but Dire Hit drops can work just fine
@dddi2571
3 ай бұрын
hey callum, big fan of the pokerogue content, but it would be amazing if you could do a brief recap segment of the S-tier at the end so that we don't have to watch all 2 hours just to find out what the best pokemon/passives are etc
@ezzzzyyy
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for all this effort dude holy crap 😭 the amount of time is wild! Keep up the good work
@CyberGhost42
3 ай бұрын
It's worth noting the list is still being updated. Gimmighoul is now getting Contrary for example. Overall I'd like to see Pokerogue implement both abilities on a lot of these pokemon with a toggle to swap between them or turn them off, similar to how the shiny toggle works. Each ability would cost its own set of candies to unlock ofc. I feel like I'm the only person not hyped for Dhelmise. Removing its fire weakness is great and all, but the only water move it learns without a TM is Whirlpool. Yay? Dhelmise gets more water moves through TMs sure, but most of those are special (SA base of 86) with only one water type TM taking advantage of its much higher attack (PA base of 131), Liquidation. Is it bad? no, but I believe that in the vast majority of runs its closer to Heatproof than being equivalent to an adaptability STAB for another type. EDIT: Apparently there's also going to be an egg move update along with it, so it'll probably get a water move with that and you can ignore me on this if that's the case.
@TheCouncil-zg4vp
3 ай бұрын
No Guard on Patrat also stacks with Illuminate, as both increase the likelihood of double battles. Patrat becomes basically a portable lure, which is pretty great for shiny and hidden ability hunting
@bluntizard4481
3 ай бұрын
6:25 You might need Sturdy to live a STAB hit. It's also REALLY good for FEAR strats
@lmr4403
3 ай бұрын
Gimmighoul gets contrary to replace super luck. (So Make it rain, gives it +1 SpA.)
@ruimartins490
3 ай бұрын
jeez
@lmr4403
3 ай бұрын
@@ruimartins490 combine it with multilens. 3 multilens=+4 spa, and 4 times money drops per attack.
@ryleykearney1966
3 ай бұрын
This woulda taken agessss, thank you for the great video bro, keep killin it 🔥
@DrakonLameth
3 ай бұрын
Eevee with Simple, oh yes! doubled curses, doubled calm minds... double NO RETREAT (yes, I too enjoy +2 to everything), and then baton pass your buffs along... so much buff potential with the vee.
@grantmeier6332
3 ай бұрын
I think you under ranked opportunist as a passive. I'm doing an endless right now with koraidon fused with mega mawile and it's stupidly broken. With multi lenses each hit triggers a bunch of enemy buffs which power up the rest of my hits it's actually crazy I've had plenty of boss fights where I go plus 6 on attack and kill in one turn and then just carry those buffs into the next several encounters.
@lewisbrown6965
3 ай бұрын
"Barboach why did you have ball fetch you're a fish," a fish can dream, okay?
@sapperswag512
3 ай бұрын
paras losing poison heal is so funny because everyone was collectively agreeing it was gonna be busted in endless
@StoicVisage
3 ай бұрын
It's really nice when balance and thematics meet, but it's not realistically going to happen every time. In the cases that it doesn't, I think balance should take priority, I'd rather have something that isn't necessarily thematic but the passive actually makes it fun or potentially useful where it might not have been before. Great video though! I agree with a lot of the points you made in the video still
@Splatiri
Ай бұрын
man I was so excited to use Contrary Gholdengo so Imagine my dismay when they changed its passive in the most recent patch to HONEY GATHER, fine I guess its good for gathering money but jeez, that bums me out
@Darkstar1163
3 ай бұрын
Ball Fetch Barboach to me was funny and fitting because of that one episode of the anime where an old man tried to Master Ball a giant Whiscash he has been trying to fish for years and it just ate the Master Ball.
@djvertreality
3 ай бұрын
Wooh! Love when Cal uploads pokerogue stuff
@boltbeamgaming9497
3 ай бұрын
Honestly bellsprout might be pretty good with protosynthesis, since it already gets chlorophyll as an ability and can make use of either attack stat with growth
@Silulaya
3 ай бұрын
Respect your opinion and everything but the passives are meant to be a reward structure within the game, so it makes more sense to have them be strong with a little thematic sprinkle so they make some sort of sense rather than just being completely pointless and a waste of 4 hours of farm time which was a problem with alot of the previous passives. The reason they feel samey is because theres only a certain pool of strong abilities to choose from that can fit each individual pokemon, so while some people say "they lack creativity", well, atleast they are fun to play with and a powerful reward to a player in a rogue-like game
@ruimartins490
3 ай бұрын
You forgot to mention Fennekin gets *TORCH SONG*
@oe8502
3 ай бұрын
exeggutor with both harvest and ripen and strong berries, kinda insane
@z-powered-nathan
3 ай бұрын
Might be a stretch but pickup Luvdisc actually kinda makes sense cuz of its mechanic with heart scales in the games
@Amirifiz
3 ай бұрын
I kinda miss my Technician Normalize Meowth. Fake out and bite were my go to moves. Absolutely useless against ghosts, but still.
@PhoenixDavis-m4g
3 ай бұрын
tbh my main issue with most of these is that they are to over used. EVERY pokemon with Skill Link got Technician, and a bunch of stuff got Moxie, and Beast Boost. It just feels a little boring, not to mentio Golisopod getting Trace which imo is a massive downgrade from Tinted Lens. I agree that Passives should be good, but it would be nice to see more variety, and have the passives be more thematic.
@Trash-bd1cb
3 ай бұрын
so happy skitty hasnt been changed normalize scrappy is so good also entrainment normalize enternatus and have ghost type and it cant do anything
@hiltonalmeida4259
Ай бұрын
My first shine was an epic Phanpy. Passive is +1 speed every round. Carried me even on eternatux 😭
@comteqfr525
3 ай бұрын
You forgot that Alolan raichu gets a speed buff on electric terrain. Pichu's new ability goes kinda hard.
@nunocarvalho6671
3 ай бұрын
Mega-bee with adaptability and technician was probably pretty broken cause adaptability boost+tech boost pin missile and fell stinger? What is a sturdy? You didnt need to run a weak poison move, but just that was amazing
@brandonschooner8298
3 ай бұрын
I know this list is for use by the player but I wish we would look at what these changes do in a run i.e Pansage with flash fire as a boss (which is cool)
@dr.syedrhode7222
3 ай бұрын
Charmander casually sitting with the broken ones......
@red7red
3 ай бұрын
Watching this I'm seeing it's like all moxie, sturdy, thick fat, weakness removing ability, multi scale, tinted lens and that's almost all the changes, kinda sad but hopefully some things can be changed to fit better
@quorryraphael9980
3 ай бұрын
Idk man what abilities are worth grinding for that you didn't see?
@red7red
3 ай бұрын
@@quorryraphael9980 Huh? Idk I didn't say they weren't worth grinding for just kinda boring or copy paste
@quorryraphael9980
3 ай бұрын
@@red7red no I mean like what abilities did they not use?
@ConnahGriffin
3 ай бұрын
"I dont think you will ever bring sentret as a starting pokemon", me with sentret as my first shiny that i bring to my first full endless run and carried me with run away.
@MEISMUDKIPS
3 ай бұрын
Can't wait for the mega ray fix, so many times I've used weather as a core part of my strat, and then the last 5 stages it becomes useless
@Drokkens
3 ай бұрын
Sentret has low costs for a pokemon with Run Away and Pickup on it at the same time. I always have it for endless runs now.
@DivineXDiamond
3 ай бұрын
hey heres a video idea, rank legendary pokemon's effectiveness in pokerogue classic (or endless. could milk 2 vids out of that)
@thegallantrayku2677
3 ай бұрын
Dhelmise with water bubble makes it basically have 4 stabs with Ghost and Grass for its main typing, Steel with Steelworker, and Water with Water Bubble
@thegallantrayku2677
3 ай бұрын
I'm realizing that Cal pointed that out too but I just love Dhelmise so much
@chancejones5579
3 ай бұрын
It'd be nice if when they did the passive changes the dev's refunded the candies or converted all owned candies into a universal candy that can be used on any mon
@yoxhi5044
3 ай бұрын
Watched the entire thing and will go through it again. I will miss my supreme overlord Nidoking π_π. I really did wish they kept thematic passives, idc if it was bad it sounded cool as fuck on a Pokemon's theme
@cornonjacob
3 ай бұрын
I think he may have been confusing the difference between pickpocket and magician. Pickpocket requires being hit by a contact move in order to take an item, but magician steals when you hit the other mon with any move, so magician is far better. So like its actually really good on a fast, strong attacker like meowscarada. Also makes nickit/thievul better than if it had the slightly more thematic pickpocket -- slight of hand falls under magic, and the ability effect fits more in lime with stealing. TBH pickpocket should just be the same as magician except limited to contact moves
@-m-5235
3 ай бұрын
Seems like the list is not for endless, since passive sturdy on g-max blastoise is probably the best metalburster
@dracanea2668
3 ай бұрын
I 100% agree with Nymble being a nerf, it sucks so bad. I loved my tinted lens, technician nymble with fell stinger, bug bite, assurance, and double kick
@spanda7631
3 ай бұрын
Ratata being one of my few shiny pokemon so i always bring him is really good for early game for me after i unlocked his passive
@WingedEspeon
2 ай бұрын
Butterfree is back to magician now Does Oddish line learn leaf storm? That ability seems to point to leaf storm spam.
@mereel1000
3 ай бұрын
They changed swapping forms in battle, it's now done only at the item phase. This hits Charizard pretty hard, but hey he's still crazy good just for chance of super form.
@carbuuss
3 ай бұрын
Scyther Speed Boost is amazing, Because of scozor + tech + stab + 130 base attack he only suffers from his speed which base is 65, meaning having 1 stage puts you faster than average and 2 faster than 90% of the game. which just makes scizor an amazing phyiscal attacker that can KO and reisist most things. Just dont face a fire type.....
@bluntizard4481
3 ай бұрын
1:48:01 They missing out on the possibility of Simple Anger Shell 😂
@josaiahliverman6959
3 ай бұрын
I have a skill link shellder with its passive technician with the moves icicle spear, rock blast, water shuriken, and bone rush , this makes shellder insane with coverage and I always hit 5 times with the moves
@dannyshanahan9271
3 ай бұрын
Strangely, I'm most sad that Coffagrigus doesnt get good as gold anymore. That was so cool and made so much sense. Plenty to be happy about, though, so give and take.
@garlic_kun
3 ай бұрын
tinkaton has been the one carrying every single on of my classic playthrough and with the difficulty spike and challenge mode this is cruel
@cornonjacob
3 ай бұрын
@ 1:11:40 I think you underestimate how much a good nature and the vitamins stack up to boost your stats, especially with soul dews. Doubling the defense stat is almost like tripling its base defense. Which ig is still only 30, but it's enough to work with
@HoodlumCallum
3 ай бұрын
fair, but this was balanced around classic mode. only 200 floors. can only buff it so much
@Mynameismurfey
3 ай бұрын
I honestly do not mind them giving non thematic buffs to Pokemon that are just really bad.
@AdamOwczarek
3 ай бұрын
Ooooof, feels very half assed in changes. Incredible video effort, thank you very much!
@dimensionvisitor7689
3 ай бұрын
what do you mean huge power doesn't make much sense on tinkaton? if azumarill, a mon with zero strength descriptions, can have huge power, why would it make no sense on a mon, which is known for its insane strength, that can casually swing around a 100kg hammer and snipe birds out of the sky by chucking boulders at them. these things can literally grab ahold of something like a rhydon or a donphan and just do a loki smash
@ancientpenguin94
3 ай бұрын
huge power is a Japanese pun for rabbits, so only rabbit like pokemon get it. I think steelworker makes more sense because tink's only power is its big hammer, so that should really be the only thing doing massive damage.
@Nadnbuds
3 ай бұрын
Love this awesome long form content for my commute home. Dropped just in time for the 405 traffic 😅
@CBleach13
3 ай бұрын
I want to say Barboach had ball fetch as a joke because in the anime Whiscash swallowed a master ball
@stefdemafste
3 ай бұрын
Does this mean I need to setup another endless run or is my tink keeping huge power if I had it in my party before the update?
@quinnflanagan8734
3 ай бұрын
when you unlock a passive for a pokemon it doesn't gain the passive in an ongoing run so I expect it'll keep huge power for that run
@johnsmith9578
3 ай бұрын
This is a good question. I’m going to be pissed if I have to restart my endless run
@johnsmith9578
3 ай бұрын
@@quinnflanagan8734it won’t. Confirmed by the discord
Пікірлер: 467