Love Sykkuno trying to stir the pot and the others not having it lol
@samz1108
Жыл бұрын
Love Mouse calling out Sykkuno for instigating and being extra dramatic lol
@GLUFSAREN
Жыл бұрын
@@samz1108 yeah he's done it to her so many times now haha
@billybob78692
Жыл бұрын
He's a content goblin and he knows it lol
@MathStringInputOutpu
Жыл бұрын
You can always count on mousey to fight back. And that's why we love sykkuno and ironmouse collabs so much
@DaggerFiend
Жыл бұрын
remember when everyone thought Sykunno was the sweet, shy, innocent one? Yeah no, the gremlin just waits til you know him better.
@Jenkins157
Жыл бұрын
I like how when sykkuno socialize with his friends, its like him setting up his 10 minute syncro summon deck... except instead of monologing, he just say a few words and wait.
@doyfkf
Жыл бұрын
i saw poki graduate and had a heart attack and realized it wasn’t like a vtuber graduation
@otoshithekid2957
Жыл бұрын
They don't have graduations, they have funerals
@bohlam6c
Жыл бұрын
Poki : "do Vtubers that graduate, comes back as another Vtuber? And do peope know?" Me : don't say anything mouse, don't say anything...
@kiarashtaheri7478
Жыл бұрын
I dont understand can you explain?
@tranquilizere5393
Жыл бұрын
@@kiarashtaheri7478 there are multiple vtubers that have done this, for example kiryu coco from hololive became kson, pikamee from voms became henya, rushia from hololive became nazuna, all three of them joined v shojo, most viewers know who they are but no one talks about it, an open secret.
@sassmos
Жыл бұрын
@@tranquilizere5393 kson was indie before joining vshojo
@svxw
Жыл бұрын
@@sassmos kson was also not a vtuber though. She went vtuber after hololive. I actually prefer her irl content more than the vtuber, but I feel like the vtuber brought out more of her personality.
@bonogiamboni4830
Жыл бұрын
@@kiarashtaheri7478 on top of what tranquilizer said, there is also the fact that ironmouse is fucking awful at keeping a secret. There are so many clips of her calling a person by a different name. It's not actually too big of a deal but it's funny.
@wZem
Жыл бұрын
That would be so funny if OTV presented their newest member and it was just Poki with a mustache lmao
@WillieG-jh6jz
Жыл бұрын
Yea. It’s an unspoken rule amongst fans to not say a shit even if they know who they are or they debut as another vtuber with a diff model. We always know. And we always keep quiet.
@Butterfly1025A
Жыл бұрын
“We know and we keep quiet” what are you talking about. Whenever someone succeeds in a second life, their comments always have fans going “ah! So glad to see you again after…. those events… you’re the same you as always! So glad to see you come back.” The only thing kept quiet is the old name. No subtlety. It’s like a mark of pride to brag about knowing the first life.
@WillieG-jh6jz
Жыл бұрын
@@Butterfly1025A well. At least I don’t do it that way. I don’t mind if fans do it in clips. Just don’t do it in the persons stream or videos.
@burning0951
Жыл бұрын
@@WillieG-jh6jz yeah if they do it in clips they also help other people to find that specific persona
@Extremexboxplayer
Жыл бұрын
@@Butterfly1025A keeping the name out of it is like the entire thing, sometimes even for legal reasons just keeping the name separate keeps them safe like with Zaion Lanza from nijisanji. they treated her bad and spread misinformation but she was able to talk about all of it simply because she acted as if her old self was a friend and not herself.
@roxrequiem2935
Жыл бұрын
Truth be told, Vshojo (where mouse is part of) is the only agency so far (aside from that one that dissolved) that let their talents keep their assets post graduation. Edit: The one that dissolved is Tsunderia... I think.
@Souledex
Жыл бұрын
It’s not a matter of “let” they never owned them in the first place
@roxrequiem2935
Жыл бұрын
@@Souledex I was also considering the inclusivity of that one other agency that dissolved and let their talents keep their assets.
@NagaSadow97
Жыл бұрын
It's kind of gross that other agencies don't do that. Idol culture and oppressive management should die with the past.
@vincenta1886
Жыл бұрын
@@NagaSadow97cause it was company property and vshojo vtuber model was belong to them before joining vshojo unless they sign contract saying vtuber model become company property
@NagaSadow97
Жыл бұрын
@@vincenta1886 I know that, and it's disgusting.
@akumanam
Жыл бұрын
graduation is like a gacha pull, you may reincarnate ir your lucky or just cease to exist
@6moty510
Жыл бұрын
"excommunicated from the lore"🤣🤣🤣
@orpheos9
Жыл бұрын
Syk is definitely master instigator
@malfeasantamalgam
Жыл бұрын
Bait
@zcurranz
Жыл бұрын
When Vtubers graduate they go into witness protection
@angelhalliwell7348
Жыл бұрын
Mouse and poki are based yes if a vtuber graduates not is terminated actually graduates if they so choose let them keep the model at least like bruh why essentially kill off the model bc they decide its time to venture off to new things
@hex3845
Жыл бұрын
Because the model is company’s intellectual property. A viable solution would be to just sell the model that vtuber.
@alexle6105
Жыл бұрын
The idea in these cases being that the character was created and developed by the company itself, and the person isn't the vtuber itself but just an actor brought in to perform as the vtuber. Imagine a movie franchise that had an actor play the role of a character in the movies. If that actor ends up parting ways with the studio that owns the franchise they don't get to keep profiting off of playing the character without an agreement with the studio owning it. Now audiences may be a fan of the actor rather than the character so would happily watch them play a new character, but that isn't always the case, they may have just been a fan of that franchise and how that character was written was what was liked rather than specifically the actor. Vshojo is different in that it acts more like a talent agency and the various members developed their own and therefore retain ownership of their vtuber. They can help develop and promote them like any other talent agency but they are clients that they are serving rather than employees hired to play a role.
@kr4zyj0k3r6
Жыл бұрын
MY QUEENS ❤🔥!!!
@mob806
Жыл бұрын
No
@AbsurdAsparagus
Жыл бұрын
@@alexle6105 the problem is that actors get credit, we know who thanos is played by we know who spiderman is played by. we dont know shit about the person playing the vtuber, and that is a MAJOR problem. so long as vtuber agencies do not give credit to the person, then they are not operating like the movie industry. and their contracts are dogshit. and before people go “oh but they might get doxxed” thats why ghost names exist.
@paperdoll3
Жыл бұрын
I got reincarnated to another company 😂😂😂😂😂
@kiidkif2009
Жыл бұрын
Need this Isekai now lmao
@AbsurdAsparagus
Жыл бұрын
poki is starting a management agency right? i wonder if she is probing for industries to offer her services to.
@SanaSamaha
Жыл бұрын
Vtuber graduations come from japanese idol culture. When an idol leaves a group, they graduate. Graduating is different from being terminated.
@dotdotdot8987
Жыл бұрын
oh no we r gonna see digimane join otv soon 😅
@HeilyCoconut
Жыл бұрын
Jesus christ this reminds me of sykkuno dissing out lily's coach
@Potatoe-f6u
Жыл бұрын
It is pretty fucked up that if a streamer is with one of those companies, the company has the power to very likely end their streaming career even if they still have many fans. It would be hard for those fans to find them again and they'd probably be cut off from a lot of streaming relationships because the company wouldn't want them to steam with their others streamers anymore. It's too much power.
@xavvierr5544
Жыл бұрын
i mean its situational but alot of the vtubers that graduate have a "well known" 2nd streaming account
@EnchoIndieStudio
Жыл бұрын
I mean... you got to understand the differences between how streaming culture is in other countries. In Japan these companies are circling through talent all the time, just like the idol business is doing since the 80s. So the public perception is usually to treat these characters as commodities, and not people working... capitalism at its finest.
@ethannguyen9638
Жыл бұрын
It's pros and cons. As another commenter said a lot of Vtubers have a well-known 2nd streaming account, but even then the anonymity is valuable. You don't have to worry about being found irl and for these companies you don't have to worry about sponsorships or advertising, and you get a head start compared to others. Of course, tho you make less money and you are sometimes forced to do some advertisements, I'm sure they can speak to their managers about it and find better advertisers.
@asianpersuasion4901
Жыл бұрын
yes but no. Something like hololive provides the designs, so ofc they own the rights when the person behind leaves. as for WHY they leave, a company is only gonna do it if it's justified. If not, then their reputation will take a huge hit, and worse if the vtuber brings them alot of money. And the vtuber themselves might want to leave, which I'm sure they're already considered the potential losses from doing that.
@JACpotatos
Жыл бұрын
Ehh, not really. If a company is providing you with everything and you're hired as an employee to make use of those resources, then you're still just an employee. Otherwise, they'd just be jumpstarting everyone's careers when they're nobodies, and then the employees would leave with the resources and audience to make more money solo. If they wanted to own their stuff from the start or purchase it when leaving, that'd make sense to me.
@TheRandyalex
Жыл бұрын
Welcome to the new member of OTV... bokimane!
@kiidkif2009
Жыл бұрын
Brockimane
@AlphaFenris1
Жыл бұрын
"It's like when a pro wrestler leaves a company and then performs somewhere else under a different name."
@ujiltromm7358
Жыл бұрын
Usually it's not just the avatar not streaming anymore. Add to that all social medias are cleaned up, including VODs and channels. Only left are the clippers' extracts, but it's debatable if those are even fair use... Maybe a good gust of DMCA wind could get those in hot water. I didn't notice a few I follow just simply disappeared, until a month later. Aletta Sky comes to mind...
@itzjorsh
Жыл бұрын
Perfect example henya 😂
@VampyrMygg
Жыл бұрын
I mean.... the whole JP branch of VShojo really...
@jamsjars9505
Жыл бұрын
Poki can rejoin OTV as Vtuber if they ever go the Vtuber route or sponsor Vtubers and get their own brand lol.
@lastnamefirstname8655
Жыл бұрын
poki learns now. graduating for vtubers always sucks, no matter what.
@ben01pearson
Жыл бұрын
"that happens in my company" vshojou picking up ex corpo talents???? never
@aintijustthecutest3863
Жыл бұрын
Henya is a recent and very good example.
@stephenmahilum4770
Жыл бұрын
Vtuber graduation: Their channel gets turned into a tombstone but sometimes they get reincarnated to a different company or just be themselves (Vtuber Requiem)
@quadstrike
Жыл бұрын
pokimane, with a haircut, pokibald
@stephenmahilum4770
Жыл бұрын
Their Vtuber Stand gets taken away by Pale Snake
@hussey5316
Жыл бұрын
The thing about this whole graduating thing stems from the Idol industry in JP.
@Sykonightmare
Жыл бұрын
When you graduate as a vtuber, you pretty much die yes the character is gone for good. People start over with a new model and in a new company normally so the fans of said person don't speak about it and the vtuber their self aren't allowed to talk about it
@Tze52
Жыл бұрын
There should be a list of Vtubers that have Graduated and where they are now displaying their new streamer name if they continue to stream under a new alias or "undisclosed" for those who just quit entirely and are moving on with life. Or maybe if they ever revealed their name and are comfortable having a legacy!
@Layjun
Жыл бұрын
Man that wrap looks so good
@R4Y_G4N
Жыл бұрын
Is more like Passed away and then reincarnated to another life 😅😆
@guess9097
Жыл бұрын
G word...
@user-gj5et3zy5o
Жыл бұрын
GANGBANG 😩
@vuluu5342
Жыл бұрын
I mean, what's the company gonna do with the model if they keep it, it's not like you can put some1 else under the same model, right?
@yummychips_
Жыл бұрын
It's not about what they will do with it, it is about what they can prevent. If the vtuber is popular, they can become a competitor by leaving with the model. This pertains more to the corporate vtubing, which is the main majority of the vtuber industry. Independent vtubers all try to get a long, but even they know that both other independants and corporate vtubers are all ccompetition. A lot of vtubers put in their bio/rules not to talk about certain vtubers or any vtuber at all. It's all a audience battle, trying to have a perfect image and causing as little commotion. As much as ppl in the vtuber scene want to pretend they will follow their oshi anywhere, in reality. Once they graduate from a company and redebut somewhere else, they lose a pretty bit portion of their audience. Only a few exceptions of very big vtubers have been able to transition and grow, but thats a different conversation.
@vuluu5342
Жыл бұрын
@@yummychips_ oh, that's make sense
@Bvetrayed
Жыл бұрын
@@yummychips_ who has been able to do it and grow after leaving?
@Nathan-nk2wk
Жыл бұрын
@@Bvetrayed Coco (Hololive) > Kson (VShojo) Rushia (Hololive) > Nazuna (VShojo) Moruru (Nijisanji) > Luna (Hololive) The first two are doing well, but nowhere near how they were doing in Hololive, their current viewerships are comparable to the lowest of Hololive, being above only 5 people. While Luna is doing way better, despite Nijisanji being way bigger than Hololive at the moment of her switch. There are also cases like Pikamee who was part of VOMS, a group of indie VTubers, and graduated to become Henya (VShojo), I think she'll do better than before since VShojo brings a lot of exposure to her, though this is a different case since she was independent.
@statixfear
Жыл бұрын
@@Nathan-nk2wk Coming from more traditional agencies then joining Vshojo is definitely a good move... Vshojo may still get a cut from their sponsorships and get sole ownership of merch sales, but let's face it, the main bread and butter of streamers will always be donations and subs/memberships, which Vshojo doesn't touch. I'd imagine that Pikamee was the star attraction of VOMS and managed to rake in a fck ton of money for them while she was there. But after 3 years with the company, Pikamee really wasn't seeing any progression, nor did she ever get a proper 3D debut (which she has stated multiple times was one of her aspirations as a Vtuber). Now, she's trying her luck with a new family around her, and probably a better financial situation once she continues to grow. Also, regarding Kson and Nazuna, despite not bringing in the same numbers from when they were in Hololive, it is still an impressive feat for them. I've always said this but I believe that a good chunk of the Hololive viewership (or even Nijisanji for that matter) is there not necessarily because of the talents behind the Vtubers, but because of the "product" that these agencies manages to put forth and market to their community. There are still a lot of fans in the community that enjoy Hololive or Nijisanji first, then the talents second.
@maltesefalcon85
2 ай бұрын
its essentially a shit sandwich if you build up the brand the company can make you start from scratch
@AquilaPainWhy
Жыл бұрын
Now that Nazuna and Henya debuted from VShoujo, do they own their models or does VShoujo own them?
@dekoygaming
Жыл бұрын
well mouse said the girls own the model, but then again maybe its still about the contract
@valashar5313
Жыл бұрын
@@dekoygaming VShojo does not hold any ownership over the talent's models, lore, identities, etc. The talent's IP is theirs alone.
@dekoygaming
Жыл бұрын
@@valashar5313 that is what I said.
@chocowaff
Жыл бұрын
LOLLLL damn im late. Im like Poki could get a haircut and rejoin OTV and her name would be 'Digimane'
@fahn.k.3348
Жыл бұрын
The fact that vtubers’ models were owned by the company, that’s the reason I don’t view vtubers company as content creator group but more management group.
@AquilaPainWhy
Жыл бұрын
I mean most people view VTuber companies as a management group
@khaos6185
Жыл бұрын
I mean for Hololive, they own the model because one debut for them gives the vtuber like 500k subs right away, it's like they made you, so you can be a absolute nobody and get 500k sub from joining and using their model and character
@trickytrident6778
Жыл бұрын
#whatskraken I was today years Old when i found out that VTubers Get Isekai'd
@Auramaki_
Жыл бұрын
this is like vtuber reincarnation lol
@kabedondon
Жыл бұрын
Who is this Makipone? She sounds familiar...
@TJR1213
Жыл бұрын
Vtubers get isekai'd
@enoch7564
Жыл бұрын
Vtubers just get isekaid
@berzerius
Жыл бұрын
Free the tubers. Free all the tubers!
@BlackipinoGambino
Жыл бұрын
so vtubers are nfts that big companies own? 🤔😂
@carronline1
Жыл бұрын
all it means is they just leave the group they are part of
@beowulf2772
Жыл бұрын
(you're fired) like in university.
@MGdrifts
Жыл бұрын
not really fired more like moving on or departing. since in hololive they call fire as a straight up termination.
@dczai
Жыл бұрын
LOLLL
@viracobama
Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of how Jessica from SNSD got blacklisted from Korean media
@NovNyar003
Жыл бұрын
Is sykunno in one of those Vtuber companies?? pardon my ignorance
@alariccale6283
Жыл бұрын
Nope, Sykkuno is not part of any official organisation or company. His knowledge behind vtubers comes from the friendship he’s built with signed and indie vtubers.
@EvieKng
Жыл бұрын
No. He's not in any company. Anyways he's only a part time vtuber.
@ChrisWMF
Жыл бұрын
Vutbers?
@1azza141
Жыл бұрын
Virtual KZitemrs. Iron mouse is a vtuber not a fleshtuber
@nefariou5
Жыл бұрын
with voice ai being as good as it is now, and a company owning the name and models of a character, if a human quits or is fired, the character can just be run by the corporation.
@Chalky.
Жыл бұрын
One of the worst parts of vTubers reincarnating is they often have to kind of change their personality, which is obviously a problem when much of their natural selves is the personality of their previous model and lore.
@MGdrifts
Жыл бұрын
its more like the opposite though. they hide a portion of themselves when in the company. plus it isnt required to change your personality just don't admit it that you are that vtuber. demondice keeki and kson are a pretty good examples
@epikh1gh536
Жыл бұрын
Poki is irrelevant ever since she left the house.
@imallfir3dup
Жыл бұрын
Dude, recently I honestly just hate sykunno. He’s so annoying.
@kaiserclips973
Жыл бұрын
POKI too, so annoying
@abubakarmohamedsoderportgy9327
Жыл бұрын
Your opinion doesn't really matter. He's still going to be the awkward, lovable and chaotic Sykkuno. You spreading negativity and hate only puts a target on your back, which will In turn ruin your day. So knock it off and keep it to yourself.
@abubakarmohamedsoderportgy9327
Жыл бұрын
I swear you two are kids.
@March_8th
Жыл бұрын
Imagine hating someone who didn't know you... Dude, did someone fucked your anus that hard? LMAO
@christianemilia7770
Жыл бұрын
This is the dumbest comment I’ve read on KZitem in a long time. You just have bad taste
@stormyoh5707
Жыл бұрын
Two-faced sykkuno? Now that poki's out he's gonna continue to take digs at otv and use her to instigate. They already doing the us (and friends) vs them (otv). I'll expect him to make it awkward if Poki plays with another otv member lol. His ex gf was right?
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