Which car would you like to see in the next analysis?
@paulhoang9820
5 жыл бұрын
996 c4s
@apolloandratti7922
5 жыл бұрын
Honda S2000 in the U.S market, including the limited production Club Racer trim.
@fourwheeltrader
5 жыл бұрын
Good suggestion!
@Robot_Overlord
5 жыл бұрын
Please also do 981
@fourwheeltrader
5 жыл бұрын
@@Robot_Overlord Noted. I'm planning to do all the European Porsche analyses also for the US.
@elemaioh
3 жыл бұрын
This is the Germanist thing I've ever seen, and I love every second of it. I hope to find a good deal on a Cayman S, but this is just so amazingly German, I had to comment. Please keep up the amazing work!!
@RCL802
3 жыл бұрын
100% agree, I was going to write nearly the same thing!
@f.richman1665
3 жыл бұрын
This is defenitely NOT a German, since this guy is talking with a superstrong dutch tonality 🤣. Best regards from Hamburg, Germany...Frank
@RCL802
3 жыл бұрын
@@f.richman1665 Haha yes, I meant it as a stereotype in terms of being super precise, not sure about the other guy. Best regards from Den Haag, The Netherlands ;)
@natejo91
5 жыл бұрын
I just bought a 2008 Cayman S, 60k miles and some mild modifications for $25k. After watching your video I guess I didn’t do so bad after all! Crazy to think what was a $70k car brand new has now nearly bottomed out for only $25k. Great performance car for the money!
@fourwheeltrader
5 жыл бұрын
That's great! Congrats on the car.
@natejo91
5 жыл бұрын
Fourwheel Trader - Car depreciation analysis thank you! Great video, keep up the good work!
@jayfomin
3 жыл бұрын
@@natejo91 If only I can find a six speed one for $25k nowadays...
@thomaswschaller
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you SO much for this incredible analysis! I'd been searching for months for the "perfect" used 987 . I wound up with a pristine, one-owner '08 987 dot 1 with 24k miles for a good price and your video makes me feel like it was a sound purchase.
@emil3454
4 жыл бұрын
Bought my 987.1s two years ago and it is so much fun and pretty cheap to run for a sports car and when I look at the numbers they are selling for here in Sweden I haven't lost any money in depreciation yet.
@DrTimWhatleyDDS
3 жыл бұрын
The precision of this analysis is only matched by the precision of a 987 motor. Thank you!
@Porsche-Ninja
4 жыл бұрын
*I bought a 2008 987.1 manual Boxster with 75,000kms -a year ago for $13,000 usd.* 1 owner car, bought from original owner. *Car has a full service history from Porsche dealership.* Also included was a *full dealership service, and a Porsche dealership PPi in the price.* AS WELL AS, *4 brand new Michellin Pilot Supersport tires and new brake pads fitted at the dealership.* The car is a high spec with *factory options: sport seats, sport steering wheel, bose, bodycolour centre console, heated seats, cruisecontrol, carrera wheels, porsche coloured wheel crests, porsche crests in headrests, porsche crest on arm rest console, bixenons, porsche wheel spacers, and all the brochures and toolkits still sealed in the original plastic.* Also, included were a porsche battery charger, 3M clear bra, satellite radio, and car cover.
@lawrenceshields8791
2 жыл бұрын
would love to see an updated video on the 987 market.
@JuanAdam12
4 жыл бұрын
My ‘09 987.2 purchased in 2018 with 18.5k miles will remain with me for a long time. The car hits the sweet spot: it’s a keeper and a future classic. I imagine a lot of Cayman owners feel similar.
@azizhachimi8744
4 жыл бұрын
Adam E. Congrats Adam for your Cayman! I want your advice: I found a 2009 2.9 Cayman with NO options (No Nav, No Xenon cornering headlights, No extended leather, ...) at 28K USD (38K$ CAD) and only 25K miles (40K Km). It is in pristine condition (looks new) in dark red. Do you think it is a good buy?
@JuanAdam12
4 жыл бұрын
Aziz HACHIMI That's less than I paid for mine, which had a few nice options (Nsv, XM, heated seats, power seats). I'd say you're in the ballpark, with maybe a little room to negotiate (the car is even older now). How many previous owners, are there service records? These things will affect negotiations. Good luck!
@jameslk68
5 жыл бұрын
Loved the video, I just wanted to point out that only 987.1 S cars were sold in 2006. The standard 987.1 wasn't released until 2007, so I think that is why your overall depreciation per year shows an uptick in value in 2006. That doesn't mean that 2006 cars are poised to gain value in the next year.
@fourwheeltrader
5 жыл бұрын
Good point.
@antonisautos8704
3 жыл бұрын
Well looks like I got myself something that will go up in value. Potentially. Bought a cayman s for 25k 4 years ago. Still worth the same today. Only has 70k miles.
@cayman9873
4 жыл бұрын
Less scary the 2009 and up 9A1 engine with no ims bearing. But i cant afford a 911 that new. So the cayman base manual seems smart
@tylerhough9124
2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see an update on the 987 market!
@fourwheeltrader
2 жыл бұрын
Good shout
@kokemalinowski8345
2 жыл бұрын
I join the request!
@vincentticzon9215
2 жыл бұрын
Always enjoyed and appreciate your analysis. Can you do another one for the 987 based on todays market?
@kokemalinowski8345
2 жыл бұрын
I join the request!
@IronicTonic8
4 жыл бұрын
The problem with the 987.2 is that it went on sale at the start of the recession in 2009, so sales were very low. Very very low. Additionally, the 987.2 cars have the updated motor that doesn't have the IMS, and consequently it's seen as more desirable. With such a low supply, and relatively high demand, you end up with very few 987.2 cars for sale. Many Porsche enthusiasts believe the 987.2 cars will be collectible someday due to the factors I listed above. It was the last truly analog Cayman, with an improved engine design, and very low sales figures. It's the perfect storm for a collectors car, and it's on my list.
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
Good points 👍
@pervertt
4 жыл бұрын
Spot on, IronicTonic. It took me 2 years to find a 987.2 that met my (admitted fussy) criteria. The job was made so much harder with so few cars for sale.
@IronicTonic8
4 жыл бұрын
@@pervertt I hear you. I sold my 911 about 6 months ago and I'm still looking. Not in a rush to find one so I'll take my time until the right car comes along.
@surfineziswhereyourmousego5672
3 жыл бұрын
I have a 2007 Porsche 987 Cayman S with currently 407,000 mile on the odo...Purchased from Brumos with 42k on the odo. Original engine, NO IMS issues... Headers, GT3 Manifold, Flashed the chip 365BHP... Bilstein R 9 shocks, Machined short throw shifter, light weight flywheel... This car is ALL of THAT! The magic of changing the oil and filter with Mobil ONE or other Full Synthetic every 5-6,000 miles is the ticket... It's a "sleeper" for the street... 0-60 about 4 flat... So do not hesitate to buy a pre-owned 987 even with 100k on it... Really so long as the records are good... You'll have minimal issues... Fuel oil separator, coolant flush annually... New sport clutch at 350k. GREAT CAR! Kind of rare as most are turned into race cars...
@Mylocksflop
4 жыл бұрын
I bought a 987.2 cayman S pdk with sport chrono back in November of 2019 for only $26k. It had 80k on the clock and I thought it was a steal. It’s such a fun car and a huge upgrade from my 986 boxster
@Wanderer25
4 жыл бұрын
That is a steal. Where did you find it?
@davidcarrasco7500
4 жыл бұрын
I bought a sports chrono 987.2 cayman S PDK with 102k miles back in Oct 2018 for $24.8k. MSRP new was around $84k. I could not find another 987.2 CS around my area (Charlotte)for close that price at the time so I pulled the trigger. I love my car! Yes, if I would've waited maybe a lower milage car would've shown up. Awesome buy on your end by the way!
@Mylocksflop
4 жыл бұрын
Trev Dakine sorry for the late reply! I found it at some luxury car dealership in Los Angeles. It was a 1 owner car with so many added upgrades! It was definitely a steal.
@Mylocksflop
4 жыл бұрын
David Carrasco thank you! Almost the same msrp as mine which was $85k. Insanely fun car!
@zanderremy
4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting in-depth look into what I suspected would be the case when I got my 987. Bought an 06 S manual with almost every option and 68k miles sight-unseen across the US for $21k simply because it was too good to pass up. Put 9k miles on it since May so that's maybe a little worrying long term but I buy cars to enjoy them not sit in my garage. This video is making me think about picking up a 987.2 S in the future since it should fare similarly (need bigger sample size) and is the best version of the last small/light Porsches. Thanks for the video!
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
Quite a risk to buy it unseen but good to hear that it all worked out well.
@herculesrockefeller8784
4 жыл бұрын
The 987.2 is popular because it has the direct fuel injection (DFI) MA1 engine. This engine addresses the flaws found in the 987.1 M97 engine. The MA1 3.4L is known for incredible reliability, has increased power/torque, better gas milage, and improved dry sump oiling, (lateral forces during extreme cornering caused oil starvation in the 987). 987.2 is also the first gen cayman to get Porsches PDK paddle shift transmission. Both generations of 987's are incredibly fun to drive and all short comings can be overcome with parts from the aftermarket, (stronger IMS bearings, baffled oil pans, adjustable suspension, etc). These 1st and 2nd gen Caymans weigh the least of all the Caymans and even the water cooled 911's. Both gen's maintain direct hydraulic steering which increases road feel, as opposed to the numb and indirect computer feeling of modern electronic steering. Also the lack of electronic drivers aids let you control everything the car does. Creating a truly rewarding sensation when you, not the cars computer, take a corner just right. Especially true if you opt for the manual. In my humble opinion there is not a better drivers car you can buy for around $30,000. I suggest to people interested in experiencing one of the last analog drivers cars, buy any manual Cayman S (987.1 or 987.2) before the collectors come for them.
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed explanation. You know your caymans :)
@carter240
4 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything you said, however the 987.2 9A1 base Caymans with the 2.9L 265hp engine were not DFI . I learned this after buying one, but it ended up being a good thing because DFI engines tend to have carbon build up on intake valves, not as much in Porsche flat six engines, but just a trait of early DFI engines as not many manufacturers had the foresight of this happening.
@1TB0T
4 жыл бұрын
Owner of a near mint, low K 987.1 Cayman S, that was a Porsche Approved used car. Came with the optional Sports Exhaust with open/closeable valve. Fantastic car! I'll never make money off it. But my kids will when I'm dead lol. It's never for sale while I'm alive :D
@DavidandShirley
3 жыл бұрын
Good channel this. Thumbs up from England 👍
@DaGrybo
5 жыл бұрын
Greetings from the US, great statistics, especially the 3D model looking at different correlations. I observed the 987 market for a few years before my purchase (987.1S). Results of my research were similar, looking only at the S models - 987.1S continued a very slow depreciation over the last 3 years, to a point where it may stop and appreciate finally. 987.2 S has a split personality - seams to be bulletproof compared to the 987.1 S due to less bore scoring and lack of IMS. But it is still a 987, which you can have for 15 grand. Btw, gen 1 problems are rare and 90% of cars need normal maintenance. Possibly people who drive 987s the most and invest in keeping them on the road posses cars that will start appreciating. And there is nothing like it, I picked the 987 over a 997 and 981.
@fourwheeltrader
5 жыл бұрын
Fully agree, they offer such amazing value for money.
@oceanaxim
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for doing this in-depth analysis! I hope you do a video on the newer Cayman models. I have a 987.1 Cayman S and looking to upgrade to a 981 model with PDK someday soon!
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
Each cayman generation is covered on my channel with a separate video.
@oceanaxim
4 жыл бұрын
@@fourwheeltrader oh awesome!
@skylinrcr01
4 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad I found your channel. This is the in depth price analysis that I have been looking for.
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
Happy to hear that you like the channel. What car would you like to see analysed next?
@skylinrcr01
4 жыл бұрын
@@fourwheeltrader Maybe the FJ Cruiser or S2000?
@Boatfisherz1
3 жыл бұрын
I almost got a Cayman S but decided on a Viper. Still really want to try a Cayman and the balance driving, but don't regret the decision. To me, the Cayman is second in line to the 911 and is a common porsche. Older boxers haven't held value well, which indicated this may not either. If I didn't get the Viper, I'd have gotten a Cayman just for the pure driving experience. Viper is so much freaking fun though, it's crazy.
@skippynj1979
4 жыл бұрын
Dude! This is amazing... I needed this and helping me pull the trigger on a 987.1 s.. gracias
@vfrvlogger4248
4 жыл бұрын
987.2 sold so little as it was released at the time the global markets crashed in 2008 no one was buying luxury cars. This makes finding the right specification, colour and mileage even more challenging and I think its helped bolster prices on the Gen 2 cars and for me makes them a future classic.
@destaccado
4 жыл бұрын
I think it also has to do with the fact that the .2 has a 9a1 derivative and the base model is M97 based - arguably chained with the M96 as one of the worst engines Porsche ever made and produced for cost-cutting reasons vs quality / performance.
@TheAmazingMrMcFlyy
4 жыл бұрын
Great video, I was afraid of trading in my 2014 VW CC sport for a 2007 987 Cayman S asking 16,500$ but I think I’m gonna go for it
@Vinchendi
2 жыл бұрын
I should've listed to this 2 years ago 🚀🚀🚀
@brettneuberger6466
4 жыл бұрын
Cool channel. This is really helpful. Thanks! Keep em coming.
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
Aiming for an upload every Saturday.
@anthonytan8751
4 жыл бұрын
Great presentation! Nice work
@efreck12
3 жыл бұрын
Can you update for 2020?
@AJC94x
4 жыл бұрын
Nice video, I'm in the UK but I have a 987.2, 50k miles and I paid £18k, I thought that was pretty solid. I didn't buy with the hope of making money though, love the car and will hold on, I think the non S gen 2 is probably the best value which is why I went for it, the 2.9 is more than enough power and the cars are really reliable, plus no worries of IMS bearing.
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
Great car. Enjoy :)
@minnaala-mantila929
5 жыл бұрын
Great analysis again, thanks
@HellaPeno
4 жыл бұрын
Hello, very interesting video, and thanks for posting. It seems you are inversely referring to the deprivation curves for the 987.1 Standard and 987.1 S curves based on the legend on the right of the graph. Just wanted to point that out, since it was a little confusing that 987.1 S cars appear at lower price points than 987.1 standard. Looking forward to future posts.
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
Well spotted. The legend is indeed leading there.
@m5387
4 жыл бұрын
Just bought a 987.2 cayman S with 72k miles for $27,995, I think I got a great deal
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
Congrats with your new car.
@jonj4357
4 жыл бұрын
This is a good deal imo. How’s it treating you
@m5387
4 жыл бұрын
@@jonj4357 So far so good, haven't been able to drive it too much due to lockdown, but it is a blast to drive and I couldn't be happier with the deal I got. When I look there are only a couple of 987.2 CS let alone with manual and sport chrono for sale right now in the US so I got lucky!
@9000revsyt
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome analysis! Please do analysis on the 1991-2005 (NA1, NA2) Acura NSX. Thanks!
@johnnygraham2
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome work! Very insightful, thank you. Would love it if you did the Boxster / Boxster S :)
@larrygk1257
4 жыл бұрын
In my life what I've seen is about a 20-25 year cycle from new until a car or truck to really spike (if it is going to at all). I saw that on the Dino, The Porsche 930's, the NSX, and even Pantera. I had these cars and sold them all too soon. So I am holding onto my low mlge 2006 Cayman S with 29k miles, damn it! Great video.
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
That's a low mileage car you have. They are becoming rare.
@tedhoppe5918
4 жыл бұрын
Are you a collector or a driver? To suggest you will come out ahead not driving car produced by the thousands. You are far better off selling the car and investing in the market. Your return will be better. If you add insurance, registration, smog and maintenance on your cayman - it is a loser.
@dukevera4216
Жыл бұрын
Hello, thanks for this! are you using any websites apps to do this or is it all manual? Thank you!
@theburdsalls123
4 жыл бұрын
All well and good but the overriding factor over model, year and mileage is documented maintenance and service records.
@jimsta45
3 жыл бұрын
AMAZING DETAIL!
@EPTRotorsports
2 жыл бұрын
Well, ya called that
@maxdreamcreator
5 жыл бұрын
awesome video. can you run the same analyis for the UK market? I am after a caymen but with limited budget not sure which to go for. I would imagine depreciation woud look quite different being the fatest depreciating country in the world. all cars for sale in the uk can be found on 1 website called autotrader. thanks in advance and keep it up, really great video again.
@fourwheeltrader
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I will add the UK Cayman to the list.
@luckyducky7166
5 жыл бұрын
He concludes that the German and US markets are very similar so i would say this will apply to the UK. Only thing this analysis does not consider is the spec of the car which also affects value.
@maxdreamcreator
5 жыл бұрын
@@luckyducky7166 I don't think so. The UK is the 2nd country in the world where cars depreciate the fastest after New Zealand. So I would expect the picture to be dramatically different.
@pervertt
4 жыл бұрын
More to it than year and mileage. If you understand the difference between a 9A1 engine and an M97 engine, and if you understand what the terms IMS, RMS and bore score stand for, you would have no trouble figuring out the price differences between a 987.2 and earlier cars.
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
I believe those are mentioned at the end of the video.
@skippynj1979
Жыл бұрын
If only the cars held these prices..
@RicBergstrom
10 ай бұрын
Love to see this updated....Values going up now?
@fourwheeltrader
10 ай бұрын
Have a look at the most recent cayman video. I update them every three months: kzitem.info/news/bejne/uaJuuZhqhoxmeZwsi=56L7JpWMUJxGzm9p
@RicBergstrom
10 ай бұрын
@@fourwheeltrader Watching now! Bought on Monday....987.2 base 6 speed....
@scottyb6765
4 жыл бұрын
I would like to see the same analysis done for the 987.2 Boxster S and Base models.
@cristian-florea-coding
4 жыл бұрын
M4 in Germany next please! Awesome channel
@historiachibcha1
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great video. I am in the market to buy a Cayman S yet not decided on the automatic version or manual, thus would like to hear anyones opinion regarding what will hold its value better lets say in 10 years time. ( I am buying it for weekend driving ) Thanks
@uniqprojects381
3 жыл бұрын
Haha wow you can’t get more German than that ! Love it, got a graph for everything!!
@hasanz5259
4 жыл бұрын
You’re here for 11:30 🚘
@tugsantalaysuem4624
4 жыл бұрын
Am currently looking at a Cayman 987.2 black edition with Chrono package and PDK with full history for 36k€ with 80000 km Considering similar black edition cars at the market , it seems a good price however is not falling in the recommended range. Any advice? What do you think.
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
The analysis covers the US market and the numbers might differ based on your location. So it is very difficult to say what a fair price is in your local market without doing an analysis.
@alexpaleolgos
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Could you please do this analysis for the 986 Boxster in the UK during this covid-19 situation?
@franticuploader3668
3 жыл бұрын
Sitting here in Aug 2021 watching this video of the "good old days". Looking around now, a 987 S will run you $35 - $40 US. Sad.
@Hurry_Revive_Me
4 жыл бұрын
Im late to the game but thanks for sharing
@patrickfc123
3 жыл бұрын
Could you please do a comparison with 987.2 R and Black edition
@omarfahmy9694
4 жыл бұрын
Very helpful, thanks!
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
Which car would you like to see analysed next?
@militia814
3 жыл бұрын
I bought my 987.2 S for a smokin deal
@arr0gant1
3 жыл бұрын
Bought my 2014 981BS 8 months ago. It's gone up 15-20% of my purchase price
@glencooley66
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for these videos I personally love them. I bought a base 987.1 2006 (2.7) so no ims issues with 56m on it. In your data where does that sit, I won’t be doing more than 3/4 000 miles per year in it and it is dealer maintained. To justify it to the wife, has the depreciation slowed now on these? It’s hard to judge just from the on screen graphs. Thanks
@glencooley66
4 жыл бұрын
Uk (second biggest market)
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
I don't have the data for the UK market ready, but with relatively high volume cars such as the cayman, the market dynamics tend to be quite similar.
@1530swimmer
4 жыл бұрын
The 2.7 is the hidden 987 gem. It's rarer, less to tax and more reliable than the S with 90% of the performance. Yours sounds like a keeper!
@glencooley66
4 жыл бұрын
1530swimmer thank you, that’s sort of what I hoped. Also it’s an excellent car to drive without the worry. You have to work it but feels much more balanced than some of the more “powerful” cars I’ve owned.
@nickh1933
2 жыл бұрын
They are starting to go up right now. The 911 market has gone bonkers high (even some base 996 models are going for $38-45k) it’s only natural for these analog Classic 987 cars to start climbing up right behind the 911.
@fourwheeltrader
2 жыл бұрын
Sure thing. I didn't check the cayman market but i suspect prices moved as much as they did in the boxster market: kzitem.info/news/bejne/xWd-ymd5fqKDbIY
@kenbell7346
5 жыл бұрын
I live in the US and follow all of your videos. thank you for providing us with such informative reviews. Since you have already completed multiple depreciation videos on the Porsche 987 platform I am asking your opinion on a selling decision I am looking to make in the future. I am the second owner of a 2012 Cayman R Manual with 75k miles. I purchased it 2 1/2 years ago with 68K miles for $39k. This past year I also bought a 2011 Porsche Boxster Spyder PDK CF Buckets with 7k miles CPO for $60k. In a year or two I will need to sell one of these, I love both of them equally so I am looking for advice on which of these two cars is the best car to keep in the line run based on a pure financial decision using your depreciation analysis. I add about 2k miles / year on a car. Can you help me decide?
@fourwheeltrader
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Ken, you own some amazing cars and deciding which one to sell must be difficult. Both the Spyder and the R, however, deviate considerably from the normal 987 cars in terms of market dynamics. I, therefore, can't say anything about them before I do a thorough analysis. It sounds like a good idea for a video ;)
@carlfrederick8433
4 жыл бұрын
@@fourwheeltrader YES !!!! That would be a great video, and Manual trans vs PDK and carbon fiber sport buckets vs standard seats tend to make a difference. Also bright color cars sell faster.
@boredalchemist
3 жыл бұрын
My cayman s 987.2 cost me £30,000 in 2013 with 30,000 miles so far I have add 36,000 miles on it and the price has dropped £700 a year since i bought it, If i had not driven it, the price would have gone up of the car.
@zachbell8081
2 жыл бұрын
The reason there aren't many 987.2 S is because of the market crash in 08
@rodrigomunoz6424
4 жыл бұрын
you should do a 350z comparison to 370z now that the 400z is coming. it's definitely an Interesting talk
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
Good suggestion
@tedhoppe5918
4 жыл бұрын
Question - Is your proposition using the asking price listed on line a true selling price? The price is by that suggestion is artificial and subject to your skewed conjecture. Moreover a dealer will inflate the asking price of a used car as to make newer Porsche “more” reasonable. It is in their interest as it is part of the exclusiveness in the branding. What person in their right mind and sensible wallet would pay asking price of a dealer or other who deal in high mileage used “sports’ car?
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
All my videos use asking prices. The main reason for this is of course that these are the only prices which are easily available. It would be more correct to use te actual selling prices, but i think that the asking prices are a solid proxy. First, for these higher volume cars, the difference between the asking and the selling price is relatively small. Second, the difference between asking and selling prices applies, to some extent, to the whole market. Consequently, it would mean a shift of the depreciation curve along the price axis. The shape of the curve wouldn't change. Third, dealer discounts for many (not all) premium brands are relatively small.
@positivesecret
4 жыл бұрын
All this is irrelevant if public becomes aware of Bore scoring and IMS Bering issues on the 987.1,,,,after learning this fact the 987.2 becomes far more valuable.
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
I would say that both issues are well known.
@positivesecret
4 жыл бұрын
@@fourwheeltrader Both are well known to the Porsche community but not in the general public (the market)
@jondobbs
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve just spent £600 on a new gear cable, £800 on discs and pads + was told it needs new condensers in the rads - another £500 Oh, and it had just had a £600 major service and I changed the front tyres, £400 Bargain!
@thomasweyermann5848
4 жыл бұрын
How/Where do you get all of this data?
@davidpeters44
5 жыл бұрын
I love statistics. People need to understand that population stats (groups of cars) have limited application to a single vehicle and in certain cases are meaningless.
@fourwheeltrader
5 жыл бұрын
Hi David, that is true. All the numbers here refer to averages.
@BMWEiV-Drivingaroundtheworld
3 жыл бұрын
Let me know when it gets to 500 dollars. Then i might afford it to own one :)
@antonisautos8704
3 жыл бұрын
The type of person who buys these kinds of cars dont run em til the doors fall off and have a clapped out 330k miles rusted out dirty car thats only worth 500 dollars.
@rhodycars6058
3 жыл бұрын
987.2 was released during a time of economic recession and high gas prices. That explains the poor sales of those models.
@johndbro1
5 жыл бұрын
Where did you get your numbers on the different version - how did you determine that only 7 987.2 S Caymans are currently for sale?
@fourwheeltrader
5 жыл бұрын
The analysis is based on the most popular US car sales websites. The 987.2 S was selected based on model year and type (i.e the presence of 'S')
@Nay300zx
4 жыл бұрын
They depreciated for a reason there is inherant design flaws in the 987.1 engines / dropped changes & unique part changes per year after that.
@512TXSDIY
4 жыл бұрын
Do you think Cayman 987.1 and 987.2 are going to be collectibles at some point? If so, how long?
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
I think that the depreciation on those cars is/will be extremely low. I don't think that they will classify as collectibles anytime soon due to relatively high production volumes.
@512TXSDIY
4 жыл бұрын
Fourwheel Trader - Car depreciation analysis True. I see more Carreras on the road than I do Caymans believe it or not. Oh well- both great cars and models
@sirena7116
4 жыл бұрын
I think they're still too new to be collectible. It's usually a generation thing. Much like appreciation on 50s-70s American cars. There really isn't anything special about them. The reason why they've appreciated so much is because of rarity and the people who can afford them (usually men in their late 40s-60s) have a strong emotional attachment to that type of vehicle because of them being from their childhood. We as consumers put a lot more emotional energy into buying goods than logic.
@512TXSDIY
4 жыл бұрын
Sirena You’re probably right
@tobywalker777
4 жыл бұрын
Has the first gen 2007 Cayman in UK fully depreciated? Many thanks for the detailed information .
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
It is difficult to say without looking to the data. You can reach out to me if you would like a personalized analysis. My contact information is included in the description.
@carlfrederick8433
4 жыл бұрын
It is not surprising that you only found 7 Cayman S of generation 987.2. From the PCNA website I looked up the breakdown for all of North America for Model Year 2012: Base 279 Base Black Ed 117 S 149 S Black Ed 180 R 624 So the most popular model for 2012 was the Cayman R, 624 were R out of 1349 total.
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
Good info
@Mikes_Travels
4 жыл бұрын
Really interesting video, thank you but too many ad breaks in such a short clip
@othmanbaddou6021
4 жыл бұрын
2008 Nissan 350Z
@MadelnMachines
5 жыл бұрын
987 / 981 Boxster Please. S2000 would be good too - UK market.
@fourwheeltrader
5 жыл бұрын
The boxster analysis is coming up in a few weeks. Stay tuned!
@MadelnMachines
5 жыл бұрын
@@fourwheeltrader Great stuff, thanks
@MadelnMachines
5 жыл бұрын
I'd be really interested in the UK or EU MX-5 mk4 and mk3 market too.
@TheJVCMan
4 жыл бұрын
I buy with heart not my head. maybe I should re-think :)
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
Haha, heart first is a good idea with these cars.
@TheJVCMan
4 жыл бұрын
Still trying decide if I go for a 987s.1 or spend another £10k and go all out for 911 (probably a 997 but might go 996) Always loved these cars and finally in a position to afford them.
@wrx5797
4 жыл бұрын
What about the 987.2 R?
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
That one still needs to be covered :)
@patrickfc123
3 жыл бұрын
@@fourwheeltrader Please do and the Black Edition! I may be a little bias being the owner of a 2012 Cayman S BLK Edition but with the extra bhp and torque as the “R” and a lot of options that the R doesn’t ....Also only 500 built! So in my humble opinion 2012 Cayman S black edition is best value!
@seanman22001
4 жыл бұрын
What is a .1 or .2?
@fourwheeltrader
4 жыл бұрын
Different generations
@stephenauty2402
4 жыл бұрын
I'm not interested in the depreciation , you're a long time dead, drive it.
@traknologist
4 жыл бұрын
My sentiments exactly
@lloydedwardsjr93
4 жыл бұрын
How about the C43s?
@JoTokutora
5 жыл бұрын
So this channel is a European channel?
@fourwheeltrader
5 жыл бұрын
I show analyses for both the European (mostly German) and US market.
@1TB0T
4 жыл бұрын
PS: re IMS bearings, there is MORE chance of dying from diarrhea, than for a M97 engine to suffer IMS failure. And I'm not even making that up. Stay off the toilet guys!!!!
@trackratzo6340
4 жыл бұрын
My wife has a 2008 Cayman S with 160000 miles. Had two air/oil seperators go, thats it,and one set of brakes, Car still looks great inside and out. And we live in the North East, Roads are salted, No rot and paint still looks great! You are correct,whole car is tough as nails.
@larryshaw3862
3 жыл бұрын
a Cayman for 27k... I can't find one. They're GROSSLY over priced
@davidcarrasco7500
3 жыл бұрын
If you are still look for a Cayman S, let me know. I will be putting my 2009 Cayman S in the market soon.
@fotbon
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidcarrasco7500 Have you sold it yet? I'm in the market.
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