Make sure you watch until the end for an amazing result!
@thembanimdlalose5229
Жыл бұрын
Actually an astonishing result
@_Chev_Chelios
Жыл бұрын
So, different cars AND different tires. So we’ve learned precisely NOTHING except different tires are different.
@Kelveron
Жыл бұрын
@@_Chev_Chelios We, or at least I, learned a lot more than that. For example, how far cars have come on such a few short years that a car can go round a circuit faster than a much more powerful slightly older one, because of chassis, steering and transmission improvements.
@RedBatRacing
Жыл бұрын
@@_Chev_Chelios wish they had put semi-slicks on the 650s. Given the McLaren is a superb comfortable GT car as well as a track weapon, the RS is just a one trick pony by comparison. Not that it's not a bad trick.
@RedBatRacing
Жыл бұрын
@@Kelveron the tires made a bigger difference than all that. The McLaren was on street tires that did well in the wet and the RS was on semi-slicks that are going to add a couple more seconds or more.
@Trendyflute
Жыл бұрын
Admittedly as much as the Cayman lost the first race due to its tires, it probably won the second due to its tires, but what a glorious machine regardless of the laptime!
@alanthecat59
Жыл бұрын
exactly
@jamesmay1322
Жыл бұрын
Actually the McLaren almost certainly had better tyres on for the dry conditions. Don't be fooled by the sun. The video was shot late winter/early spring in the UK. The temp was probably no more than 5-7 degrees C. WAY below what Cup2's need to perform at their best. If the McLaren had pretty much any UHP road tyre on it, it would have had better (though still far from ideal) tyres on for those temperatures.
@alanthecat59
Жыл бұрын
@@jamesmay1322 no , no sale soz . good try Michael Fish
@IRoss106
Жыл бұрын
Not taking anything away from the Porsche but all I’ve got to say is semi slicks and the right weather clearly make a huge difference. It’d be nice to see them both on comparable tyres at least but preferably the same. An interesting comparison none the less!
@14KShadow
Жыл бұрын
Interested to see what the 650s would be like on the same tyres as the Porsche
@lewiskariukimunene
Жыл бұрын
Interested to see what the Porsche would do with 150 more HP
@sebdavid
Жыл бұрын
@@lewiskariukimunene Tires can easily be changed (and often are if you're driving these cars properly). It's a bit more difficult to get 150 more HP in a Cayman...
@lewiskariukimunene
Жыл бұрын
@@sebdavid yeah this is true though I meant if Porsche made it with 650HP
@clu4u
Жыл бұрын
I don’t think the McLaren is running on 10 year old tires, do you? Plus the Porsche is running Sport Cup tires, not good for the rain.
@lioneldherine6230
Жыл бұрын
@@lewiskariukimunene Michelin claims their Cup R tyres are equivalent to a 150 HP increase on a 520 HP car. So the Cup 2 compared to the standard PZero of the 650S are definitely matching the power gap between both cars. But it's still not fair to compare 2014 and 2021 models...
@superspeeder
Жыл бұрын
Obviously you need a third race with the 650s on Cup2Rs, then you can see an actual fair fight.
@jimg2812
Жыл бұрын
The 4RS was not on R tires, just the regular Cup2, what did the 650 have?
@superspeeder
Жыл бұрын
@@jimg2812 my bad, 650S on Cup2 then. No idea what the 650S was wearing, they didn’t say, but they certainly are not an aggressive tire like the Cup2 given its performance in the rain.
@f1andrew52
Жыл бұрын
The 650s had Michelin PS4S both days.
@jimg2812
Жыл бұрын
@@f1andrew52 would have been a different outcome with same tires. Gee surprisingly the decade old 650s performs extremely well even at today's standards
@f1andrew52
Жыл бұрын
I’ll happily lend them the car again if they buy some Cup2s for it 😊
@Kelveron
Жыл бұрын
The helmet Jason is wearing is epic! They should use it in F1.
@accrho
Жыл бұрын
True story, I had a dream last night that Porsche announced the GT4 RS in manual. I guess I'll go back to sleep. Great video again!
@comaca
Жыл бұрын
I missed 5th Gear so much and so happy to see you back. What a great video, I love to see you having so much fun. Here in Canada, late May for a track adventure with my brother and our sons! Keep us the great work. Not very often does the passion filter beyond the screen!
@resnonverba137
Жыл бұрын
As is almost always the case with these flawed yet entertaining Fifth Gear tests, there remains an issue. For the comparisons the be fair, ALWAYS fit the same tyres to both vehicles. Surely that would have been cheaper than spending a second day filming.
@yeeehaar
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Cup2s on the 650S would easily shave a couple of seconds off its time.
@mathewsinger4214
Жыл бұрын
@@yeeehaar The 720s coupe ran .7secs faster there, such a short track is not going to easily gain 2 secs.
@ZoltanF1LH
Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly
@thechilicrusaders1356
Жыл бұрын
@@mathewsinger4214 obviously the driver, I get 1.11’s in my Caterham and that’s not at full tilt. A 7.20 would piss that with sticky Pirelli’s.
@dainese01
Жыл бұрын
Whilst I agree with you, shouldn't these cars also be tested as presented/bought/stock too? I don't think most testers/magazines/channels swap out tyres in order to reduce variables (beyond weather, location etc)
@christianwagner2849
Жыл бұрын
The scream of the GT4s engine above 7,5k is just glorious
@ultimatist
Жыл бұрын
Glad you reran with better weather, but the cars still didn't have matching tires. If you did, I'd bet it would be a dead heat with the 650S on Cup 2s. Regardless, shows how sorted the RS chassis is to overcome such a power deficit.
@samdurling6053
Жыл бұрын
Great test in the sense that one is an older supercar with far more power and the other is more modern, more track focused, but less power. Interesting comparison and I'm here for it
@TheMan-xp4cb
Жыл бұрын
Jason just came straight from a shooting party 😂😂😂
@BuzzaB77
Жыл бұрын
I understand content deadlines, but please educate this philistine on the simple question of "why couldn't you just change the tyres?"
@abdielalmanza914
Жыл бұрын
Your passion it's contagious, I just love and respect your neutrality. Love both machine but I keep the Porsche Cayman RS.
@KarelBeelaertsvanBlokland
Жыл бұрын
A Cayman GT4 4.0RS is naturally aspirated, with the 4.0 TFSI turbo engine it will outgun everything!
@renatomarques264
Жыл бұрын
What a legend driving with semi slicks in the rain 🌧. Incredible!
@CoreRye
Жыл бұрын
Good luck finding a GT4 at list price
@mrcartease
Жыл бұрын
That RS sound 🤯
@peterhammer6915
Жыл бұрын
this is crazy. I had a F80 Comp and in rain I lost only 2 sec per round to 720s. In rain around 2 min lap. Tyres make such a big difference. With Cup2:s you can't do much in rain.
@JasonV8S550
Жыл бұрын
You can buy a 650 S Spyder, just try and buy a Cayman GT4 RS!
@P1Fanatic
Жыл бұрын
Cmon Jason. £108k for a GT4RS 😂 that might be list but there are just 3 on auto trader all at £235k+
@seinsmeld13
Жыл бұрын
Great review Jason. I'd like to see a comparison between a Porsche 718 Spyder and a 911 convertible. Cheers from a Canadian fan.
@birtalanlorant5572
Жыл бұрын
Would gladly pick that NA Cayman over the McLaren. Plus I like build qualities that at least match a Golf’s, which isnt really the case in a McLaren.
@Shadowboost
Жыл бұрын
Just shows you tires are more of a performance maker than anything else.
@Tristanbirdyt
Жыл бұрын
100% I would have the GT4RS the sound incredible the one i would have. Thank you Jason
@terrybilly9967
Жыл бұрын
I will take The Porsche!
@thembanimdlalose5229
Жыл бұрын
That McLaren is beast though
@terrybilly9967
10 ай бұрын
@@thembanimdlalose5229But a Porsche is a Porsche. More Special for me. Sound and Quality. But Both Are good Cars
@jcsdmusic
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate you going back during drier conditions. 👌🏾
@lixiang7349
Жыл бұрын
All car reviews from Britain are by law done in the rain.
@RickTheSpud
Жыл бұрын
Loved this. Although I'm not sure where you can find a GT4RS for £108k? They're over double that, second hand!
@th3b0untyhunter
Жыл бұрын
and base price of £123k new (before options) not £108k
@Tiger-pu4oz
Жыл бұрын
While I love both the cars. Why not make it day 3. And fit both with exact same tire 🛞 in dry conditions. I am willing to bet McLaren wins the lap times. But for me the sound alone on GT4 RS does it. My choice even if it’s slower.
@garymurraya
Жыл бұрын
good luck getting a GT4 RS for 108k, try 200k.... why reviewers ignore the UK price is for very few "special" customers and is not for the general public.... so price wise the RS is way more expensive, but it is "new" although interior is also years old now... try about 7 - 8 years out of date with the 911 interior
@jamesrennie1227
Жыл бұрын
Get the Mclaren on the Pilot Cups and I think it would win
@topend2282
Жыл бұрын
The gt4rs is anywhere from $263k-$300k usd… Mac ftw 😂
@stephenswift9868
Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed that a lot! Almost as much as Jason!
@Crackingproductions
Жыл бұрын
Something has gone wrong on your progressive/interlaced settings guys. Very zig zag and aliased on many shots. Loved the piece though on a tough wet shoot!
@RustyCyler
Жыл бұрын
Porsche. There is no substitute.
@billshoe22191
Жыл бұрын
Crazy impressive how great the 650 spyder is
@Skippernick1957
Жыл бұрын
Porche everytime for build quality and reliability!
@z06van21
Жыл бұрын
One has double wishbone suspension and a carbon tub, the other has a 4-wheel STRUT suspension and not carbon tubbed
@MartynWitton
Жыл бұрын
Great video. 👍. Would love to see a shootout between the Audi 2018 TTRS (mine is available if needed) and the new RS3 8y.
@duffyt26
Жыл бұрын
The ol' geezer has some quick hands, even to this day! Well don Plato :)
@S2kBPRIME
5 ай бұрын
@8:12 pure skill
@TheWasp550
Жыл бұрын
P O R S C H E 💥 Period 😎
@jamesross2373
Жыл бұрын
Can't stand it when reviews aren't fair because of tyres. I see them as a consumable/personal preference/situational item. Really need to get the same tyres fitted to both cars to even bother doing any kind of comparison.
@billyskoda6839
Жыл бұрын
The key is when Jason says with the 650s , it is hard to find fault. And there lies the rub. I love performance cars, but McLarens lack character and charisma. The key to this and every Porsche is that they have caveats. THAT is the key. Perfection has to be imperfect. I'd have the Porsche every single time, because of how involving it is, how it makes you feel part of the experience, rather than sitting in something with the name you'd expect on a vacuum cleaner, with the same level of character. Just my opinion.
@Kenny-tc6rg
Жыл бұрын
I always say, tyre's are everything, if the 650 had the same tyre's as the gt4 it would be worth a second. The gt4 thought, it's is a mini hypercar.
@giacomo21eb
Жыл бұрын
Mclaren ❤
@rotorblade9508
3 ай бұрын
they seem fairly equal on the corners, possibly similar aerodynamics, but the McLaren should gain more speed on a track with long straights. McLaren is limited production and uses more expensive materials, engine and transmission so obviously it's going to cost more. Porsche is a very well built car, looks amazing, best looking Porsche, with a low price for performance, and very track focused pretty close to a GT4 cup car, to me it feels the model reached to a point where I don't see what can be done to make it better, but we'll see.
@alexandervanwyk7669
Жыл бұрын
What you guys (motor journalists) seldom comment on is the practicality issue for ordinary people. You have to literally live with a car for years to really appreciate it. Yes I suppose collectors and people with unlimited budgets don't care, but for me an ordinary family man, the Porsche is fairly simple to maintain, tough as hell, very fuel economic, totally reliable literally over decades and very versatile and capable as a daily car and then enjoy on track days. McLaren is an insane beautiful beast and completely out of my reach but really nothing like Porsche in general. Love from Africa.
@boyraceruk
Жыл бұрын
Lotus are bringing out the 133 soon to take on the Porsche Taycan, I wonder how their previous fastest 4-door would do against one though? Lotus Carlton v Porsche Taycan.
@JETZcorp
Жыл бұрын
What tires did the McLaren have? If it did so well in the wet, I can only imagine they were less hardcore than Cup 2's for dry duty. I really struggle to imagine that the GT4 RS can be as fast on equivalent rubber, even though I worship that Porsche.
@f1andrew52
Жыл бұрын
It was running Michelin PS4S on both days.
@JETZcorp
Жыл бұрын
@@f1andrew52 I think that's it, right there. The 4S is a great tire, but it's no Cup 2.
@piotrzareba7113
Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks!
@hamza361
Жыл бұрын
Did he really take off 20 seconds from it going wet to dry? Sounds like bs.
@jonathancollard3710
Жыл бұрын
Problem is … your CANNOT get a Gt4RS for list price…. Maybe add another £120k … so twice the MSRP 😵💫…. Also just watching how hard you are working the Porsche tells me that majority of other less talented drivers would have been off numerous times… ergo; for the “normal” driver, the Macca is a better buy…
@contingency9
Жыл бұрын
They always want to bash the British car ridiculous! Desperate for the Porsche to win.
@christianb.4385
Жыл бұрын
Lovely video keep 'em coming !
@captain_context9991
Жыл бұрын
I wanna see how the new overhyped Corvette C8 Z06 would compare to these kind of machines.
@redmdc
7 ай бұрын
Well it's left to be desired a mclaren 650s with semi slicks
@hayden401
Жыл бұрын
It may be addressed as I'm only at the start of the video, however why are these being compared, I'd have thought they're in different price category?
@Thecarbore78
Жыл бұрын
Think this Jason bloke could make a career as a racing driver, can definitely pedal a car, and then he could release a book on how to be a racing driver.
@NPrez-cv4jn
Жыл бұрын
This guy is awesome.
@conner.9262
9 ай бұрын
Cheering for the Germans when you are British I find astounding…!
@street-level
Жыл бұрын
What tyres was the McLaren wearing? The Porsche had just legal road tyres, with minimal tread pattern, so was poor in the wet and excellent in the dry. By the same token, the McLaren surely would do better in the dry with similar tyres. So perhaps the tests were not strictly comparable. The power to weight figures suggest that the McLaren should be better than the Porsche.
@Jagsxxxxx
Жыл бұрын
Now put the same tyres on the 650s and see the results.
@CoyoteAUS
Жыл бұрын
So the Mclaren beats the GT4RS in straightline stuff (qtr mile and say 60-130mph) but loses to the Porsche around corners.
@GauravMishra9200
Жыл бұрын
If possible please do a Chiron Vs Regera comparison.
@jamesburton2249
Жыл бұрын
Errr. So the Porsche had semi slicks and lost by 10 seconds in the wet. Only won by 1 second in the dry. I wonder what the McLaren would have done in the dry on semi slicks...
@superchargedsteve3411
Жыл бұрын
Wasn't the 570S before the 650?
@MrGMawson2438
Жыл бұрын
Nice one Porsche
@guzzlerfizz33
Жыл бұрын
I normally quite like your reviews but to suggest this cn hold a torch to the 911 GT3 products is ridiculous . Simply doesnt have the rear end mechanical grip and im surprised you dont mention it . Maybe getting an allocation ? lol
@jesusthewaytruthandlight7558
Жыл бұрын
I’ve driven and own a 911 and gt4rs and the gt4rs FAR better to drive it’s EPIC !!
@gibby7616
Жыл бұрын
It would be quite fun to see/watch a #Koenigsegg versus a #GordonMurray #T50 #Shootout!!
@lop8828
Жыл бұрын
Those 650 are closer to 630whp Probably 680 at the engine
@Make-Asylums-Great-Again
Жыл бұрын
I’m so glad they choose a day with a torrential downpour. Personally those are the only days I do a shoot-out because who needs grip in these cheapie econoboxes…..
@th3b0untyhunter
Жыл бұрын
Your price for Cayman is wrong. Base price before options is £123k not £108k as stated. Plus I bet very few owners will spend less than £10k on options even if they dont want the £6k pccb's
@safmaze9307
Жыл бұрын
When did Jason turn 60
@ciaranmcmahon3024
Жыл бұрын
Good luck finding a GT4Rs for 108k !
@andrewsharples9716
Жыл бұрын
Need semi slick’s on the mclaren now
@KaneGregory
Жыл бұрын
I like the front end better on the 12C and I would rather have the 600 over the 650 and none of the new RS Porsche’s look good but I here they drive great!🧠🤯🔫
@n2kos
Жыл бұрын
At least you can buy the Maclaren👍
@larryb.1884
Жыл бұрын
Maybe snow next time?
@Ziggyziggy1
Жыл бұрын
The balance of that Porsche is immense! Just goes to show it's not all about the power.
@james64ibm
Жыл бұрын
The only problem is that a used GT4RS is about twice as much as a used 650S ...
@wozmac771
Жыл бұрын
Come on Plato, the first hypercar would be the Porsche 962. with todays definitions or performance. Or could it be Gulwing or Miura??
@yetidh9
Жыл бұрын
This is like one of those videos where a top athlete dresses up as a pensioner and pranks people. Sorry Jason 😉
@maximborodyuk3773
Жыл бұрын
Porsche on fresh and way more superior tires. Wouldn't be surprised if Mclaren still on factory tires lol. Put equal tires on them, it's not a petrolhead comparison in any way. And imagine ultra track-focused car, costing a lot, comparing to basically leisure spider from decade ago times, barely winning due to the tires. P.S. Are you using iphone 5 for filming? What's with the onboard (and overall) quality?
@andrianatruckin7014
18 күн бұрын
Amazing
@FreestylerAlbert
Жыл бұрын
What? how much the GT4RS costs 150? even the official porsche centrums want to RIP you off in Europe. and asking 40-60 over sticker.. And i'm speaking about Europe not USA.
@derbender9264
Жыл бұрын
There are honest ones. I payed exactly the msrp to the dealership in Germany
@Nord_Mann
Жыл бұрын
Me too in Norway👍🏻
@FreestylerAlbert
Жыл бұрын
@@derbender9264 that's the more rare ones. But Porsche advertise "ohh our cars made for driving and we have actions taken in place against flippers and monitoring them". and the reality behind this marketing bulls is even Porsche cneters flip the car.
@derbender9264
Жыл бұрын
@@FreestylerAlbert mostly not in Porsches advantage, it’s a question of the dealership, the customer and laws in each country . Porsche is getting the msrp, the dealership or costumer who got the first allocation is keeping the over sticker price. Porsche would be happy to get all the extra money, it’s the same in smaller scale, with Lego or hotwheels, if it’s rare, people will make money with it. You are basically complaining about the world, no one forces you to pay that money…. And at the end the GT4RS is still made for driving
so you tested the Mclaren in worse weather with worse tires?
@Welsh_Veteran_420_Z
Жыл бұрын
*BAD COMPARISON* Mclaren Spider?? Come on gotta use the coupe
@MrGMawson2438
Жыл бұрын
I'm ready
@dalian1993
Жыл бұрын
Tyres. Not tires
@marknash74
Жыл бұрын
Thumbs down from me, surprised at Fifth Gear. Same reason the GT4RS had a disadvantage with semi slicks in the wet, they had an advantage in the dry. Should have pitted the cars against each other with the same category of tyres. 🤦🏻♂️ Amateurs 😁
@gibby7616
Жыл бұрын
12:40 #SpineTingling!!
@robainfippo
Жыл бұрын
Can't take this in to consideration. No concentration on lap. Speaking while driving on a lap
@jasonjulius9670
Жыл бұрын
Your gonna pay 275 and up for the GT4 RS..
@PFBzzz
Жыл бұрын
What tires were on the 650S?
@f1andrew52
Жыл бұрын
Michelin PS4S
@PFBzzz
Жыл бұрын
@@f1andrew52 which explains why they were better in the wet and worse in the dry...
@wildwoodmiami
Жыл бұрын
Stupid to do this in the rain. Cant use turbos torque.
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