I wish Porsche the best of luck on their ambition to save the cars
@kellykubik4514
Жыл бұрын
The only problem with this idea is the new fuel costs twice as much as the old fuel😂
@fintan.
Жыл бұрын
@@kellykubik4514 its currently around 6 euros a litre and normal fuel is about 1.4 euros a litre so its pretty expensive but as more use it they should enter economies of scale and prices will fall because the fuel market *with alternatives, is elastic therefore the lower the price the more people will proportionally consume. This is only the case if you can choose between fossil and synthetic because otherwise its a cartel and you have to consume one. Such as in the UK our fuel prices are incredibly high even when global oil prices are lower than they were before the ukraine war.
@MrArtist7777
Жыл бұрын
I wish Porsche the best of luck on their journey to bankruptcy, the bone heads!
@pippo-1073
Жыл бұрын
How about instead of hope we just vote out all the controlled commie scum in government? Climate change is a scam. No one voted for any of the measures they're forcing on us
@Larssema
Жыл бұрын
@@MrArtist7777 just you wait buddy, Porsche does not go bankrupt that fast
@olivermboya3857
Жыл бұрын
Porsche are actually so iconic in the motoring industry and they just keep getting better and better. May God bless the work of their hands and minds
@Dave-un7fh
Жыл бұрын
Which God? Thor?
@Dave-un7fh
Жыл бұрын
@@Sidowse wdym? Makes sense to me. Maybe you need to read more.😉
@ivofixzone6410
Жыл бұрын
Porsche are the best - fact
@lautaroalday7225
Жыл бұрын
@@Dave-un7fh And theres the daily clown
@adrian1622
Жыл бұрын
@@Dave-un7fh God.
@shubham_shelar
Жыл бұрын
On one hand i am sad that Porsche bottled their F1 entry and on the other i am over the moon that they are trying to save ICEs.
@ANissanTitan
Жыл бұрын
It's possible they pulled their entry to work towards being the fuel supplier for F1.
@purwantiallan5089
Жыл бұрын
@@ANissanTitan what if Porsche becomes fuel supplier for Alfa Romeo?
@shubham_shelar
Жыл бұрын
@@ANissanTitan quite possible considering how much F1 is pushing towards synthetic fuel too.
@kooooons
Жыл бұрын
Former Porsche CEO and current Volkswagen CEO Oliver Blume publicly announced, that "within the volkswagen corporation, E-Fuels will mainly be a topic for Porsche". Please note that Volkswagen owns Bugatti, Bentley and Lamborghini. E-Fuels are not intended to "save the ICE". It's intended to postpone the death of the ICE 911 to make it even more legendary as the last ICE-Sportscar.
@thanosianthemadtitanic
Жыл бұрын
There not dumb they is a clear agenda behind all us this and it's control
@Klymenko1927
Жыл бұрын
Synthetic fuel is a future not only for cars, for trucks, ships, planes too
@hellowill
Жыл бұрын
Had no idea the racing cars were already using this. Shows the fuel works and racing is important for car developments.
@carnage123
Жыл бұрын
80% of cars in Brazil use it since 1993
@theo7709
Жыл бұрын
@@carnage123 I dont think you understand what e-fuels are. e-fuels are not plant based ethanol.
@IQEGO
Жыл бұрын
@@carnage123 E-fuels are completely synthetic fuels made from water hydrogen and atmospheric CO2. That's why their carbon footprint is 0. Because they use the CO2 they produce (by compustion) to create new fuel, it's basically recyclation (you only need energy - a lot of it - to produce the fuel).
@thomasbowen7613
Жыл бұрын
The WRC also use it too
@jurom6765
Жыл бұрын
F1 will be using it from 2026, when Ford and Audi enters. This still doesn't change anything about EVs. E-fuels will be way to expensive for a long time.
@phoenix5715
Жыл бұрын
Concerned about the cost of synthetic fuels. Although if there's more competition it should drive the price down. Hopefully we'll get it cheaper than current fuel prices one day.
@sylviam6535
Жыл бұрын
In Europe, fuel prices are mostly taxes, so the price of e-fuel depends on greedy governments.
@Teqnyq
Жыл бұрын
Engineering Explained says the current estimate is $40 a gallon 💀. Hopefully, it gets cheaper as the tech is optimised and demand increases.
@lukekavanagh6121
Жыл бұрын
The other problem is if they did go full electric the electricity will be absolutely ridiculous to make up the cost of losing fossil fuels. So if this works we can still keep combustion engines which is great. The price of things rising will happen either way it’s always a money scheme regardless
@ddeedje4093
Жыл бұрын
That won't happen. The process itself caps the cost.
@lukasluetke6097
Жыл бұрын
The production efficiency is at around 2% at the moment and the physical limit is 6%. Meaning that it will be 50 times more expensive per kilometer than driving a regular ev.
@robertmitrea3251
Жыл бұрын
If Porsche manages to do that, they will earn the eternal respect from all of the car community, we’ll build churches for them
@georgfranko
Жыл бұрын
If the manage to do this I am getting a Porsche as my next car :D
@pauldavies7469
Жыл бұрын
I will be so unbelievably happy if Porsche manage to pull this off. We need to get behind them and push our local politicians to be more aware of this! Fuck the fossil fuels business! Politicians can affect business and they could help shape shell and bp into synthetic fuel plus electricity energy providers instead
@vojtulee1
Жыл бұрын
Ok cult member
@usercs_2682
Жыл бұрын
Not just respect, they will make history as well.
@ptrgr72
Жыл бұрын
@@usercs_2682they already did with the 911
@bakemono858
Жыл бұрын
Neat! Porsche always doing amazing things. Wonder when we’ll see this used in F1 to avoid going electric.
@wanleaf
Жыл бұрын
True, electric is no fun. Who want cars that can’t go as fast it can and with out sounds
@skylined5534
Жыл бұрын
We could even see a return to engines which make pleasant noises... v10s... v12s!
@Alessietto_03
Жыл бұрын
Actually from 2026 all f1 cars will use e-fuel...this decision was made a couple of years ago😁...and also don't worry, f1 won't become full electric...they already confirmed this...
@brentschellekens4151
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Porshe likes to pump out a lot of gas. Maybe not as much now as they used to in 1945
@RySabre
Жыл бұрын
@@wanleaf All youre gonna hear from EVs is gonna be ”sssss” like we need some form of fuel!
@devinw6332
Жыл бұрын
Please PLEASE Porsche don’t ever give up on these projects!!
@jeanmarie97
Жыл бұрын
What about the price of e-fuel !?
@maxzweitacc96
Жыл бұрын
@@jeanmarie97Atm the production costs are around 40$ a gallon. That can easily go down to 10$ a gallon if it's mass produced. But that's just the production costs without taxes and profit for the manufacturer
@MMAli-rq8kd
Жыл бұрын
People should know two things; 1. Porsche did not invent e fuels, they are not new as a concept. It's chemistry that has been tried for a century. 2. They have more challenges that fossil fuel and EVs for the foreseeable future. Sorry to be a downer bro! I had hope once 😂
@WernersShop
Жыл бұрын
e fuels are more or less useless in cars. Electric vehicels are way cheaper at the end of the day
@Brian-om2hh
Жыл бұрын
@@jeanmarie97 Think 3 to 4 times the cost of unleaded petrol, and you'll be in the right ball park.
@sebastianstoica578
Жыл бұрын
If making e-fuels takes so much energy to begin with, I expect it to be so expensive that most people won't be able to afford it.
@ElTastyGatto
Жыл бұрын
They said the starting price will be 10€ per liter and expect to be 2€ by 2025 if I remember correctly
@georgezoitakis
Жыл бұрын
2 euros per liter by 2025 to 2028 now its 10 euros because the transportation expensisies
@ghunt9146
Жыл бұрын
EV's use so much energy to produce them too!
@matthewdilks2677
Жыл бұрын
@@ghunt9146 yeah but they are more efficient in life which more than makes up for it.
@geroutathat
Жыл бұрын
Its about scale, if you had ebery electricity plant in your country store in efuel instead of battery it would be cheaper. Do you think storing in lithium ion batteries is cheap? The trade off woiod be its not as efficient as storing in a battery, the benefit, the heat from batteries could boil the oceans in 400 years as they release constant heat that is already starting to impact the world. The benefit is also, tanks can never be electric, either can armoured cars, so you can produce fuel for your self defence.
@terrencemunyoro6018
Жыл бұрын
Someone needs to pass this memo to AMG. They need to bring back the v8 and stop calling that 4 cylinder a C63.
@tadssicholo8670
Жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the content on Matt's GT3rs
@purwantiallan5089
Жыл бұрын
Nah. Carwow gonna change the thumbnail. Again.
@Moakmeister
Жыл бұрын
The first drag race should be against the previous GT3 RS and the current GT3
@tedwoghiren4002
Жыл бұрын
We knew about synthetic fuel for decades. People were watching big brother instead. Hey Matt, thanks for talking about this. I've been watching your channels since car buyer 😂
@sugarnads
Жыл бұрын
Germans have been experts in synthetic fuels sinc3 2nd test germany v a world 11, 1939
@ak5659
Жыл бұрын
@@sugarnads Yes, and the photoelectric cell goes back to 1912, I think. The road from invention to mass production can be a long one. That's the problem.
@pete6705
Жыл бұрын
There’s a new season of Big Brother??
@TucoRope2Tight
Жыл бұрын
Industry gaslighting. Won't work at scale. Oil is energy produced for free by nature. There's a reason the never seen before growth of the 20th century that built our modern societies (while destroying our climate and ecosystems) came with Petrol. Guess what happens next, when you don't get anywhere near the same energy efficiency with renewables or synthetic fuels ? :|
@davidmueller3650
Жыл бұрын
@@sugarnads Yes and it always was a bad idea. Germany had no other choice during war. So instead of food there was fuel.
@Vengir
Жыл бұрын
There is just one important problem with the video: the e-fuel exception has not been added to the law yet. They intend to do that within the next few years, but there is no guarantee that it will definitely be added. As written today, the law only permits EV's and hydrogen for category B vehicles after 2035.
@purwantiallan5089
Жыл бұрын
Category B cars like what?
@exoticsoflt
Жыл бұрын
@@purwantiallan5089 Motorcycles
@adrianhjordan1981
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, but oil companies are working on it as well and they have plenty of money to lobby governments with.
@Vengir
Жыл бұрын
@@purwantiallan5089 cars and vans up to 3500kg
@Vengir
Жыл бұрын
@@exoticsoflt Motorcycles are category A
@ylu5384
Жыл бұрын
Two things: 1. You still need a massive abundance of renewable energy to make eFuels carbon neutral. In fact even more energy is needed than if you just used the renewable energy to charge electric cars. The eFuel manufacturing process is much less efficient than the transmission of electricity and charging an EV. 2. Even carbon neutral eFuels don't give cities any air quality benefit in the way that EVs do. I would much rather resources be focused on building out EV (or hydrogen) infrastructure than eFuels
@baberkhan1472
Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the time when all the automatic watch industry was about to go instinct when seiko introduced the quartz movement. But then audemar pique developd royak oak and the automatic watches were saved.
@musicultra571
Жыл бұрын
That's actually a good comparison
@instantpotrecipes5411
Жыл бұрын
Dude 👍
@naturebeats2902
Жыл бұрын
Nah different situation but I see your point
@code9060
Жыл бұрын
Correct 💯
@sbbillusionist
Жыл бұрын
But they never remained the same. Nowadays most automatic watches are but a luxury for many. The same might be true for synthetic fuels as well.
@DemonZapan
Жыл бұрын
One big problem you sadly did not mention: Currently the production of e-fuels uses so much energy, that if you charge the ev directly instead of creating efuel with the energy you drive about 4 times as far with it. so if this cannot be driven up to at least a 1:1 or better it is economicaly always a lot more feasable to charge an EV with the power instead of creating efuel. Hopefully they will find a way to get this ratio better...
@N911GT2
Жыл бұрын
No it isn’t. Since you can’t transport or store electricity. With efuel you can. You can create it in the dessert and use it on cold climates.
@ParaBellum2024
Жыл бұрын
@@N911GT2 You could create it in the baked Alaska, and use it in Alaska then.
@shonunezekiel
Жыл бұрын
@@N911GT2 "you can't transport or store electricity" - I don't think you really mean what you wrote - do you want to clarify this statement?
@DavideMoriello
Жыл бұрын
@@N911GT2 "you can't store electricity"... wow! This is new for everyone!
@DemonZapan
Жыл бұрын
@@N911GT2 what a load. You can indeed store and transport electricity just fine.
@sebastianirarrazabal6756
Жыл бұрын
I'm impressed that I found that this amazing experimental Porsche plant is in our country by watching Carwow. This is not even mentioned in our news channels or papers. Btw, it's a paradox that they are thinking in something to replace electric vehicles in a country that have just a couple hundreds in their roads and almost no charging stations.
@Professor-Scientist
Жыл бұрын
thats so crazy !
@lkearney7299
Жыл бұрын
It's been mentioned many times over a few years, but mainstream media, probably paid off by EV-linked money and influence, have kept as silent as possible about it.
@stuartcole4412
Жыл бұрын
Selling this as a new idea or technology is criminal. It been on the shelf for the best part of 80 years.
@senzelian
Жыл бұрын
There is unfortunately one big problem as of right now with E-Fuels: Efficiency! They're about 4 to 5x less efficient than electric batteries, which means that the energy required to keep an ICE car with E-Fuel running is much higher than that of an electric car. Therefor much more power plants are required. However, this does not mean that's its not possible. Fusion reactors are on their way and we're still not even close to fully utilizing the sun as our primary energy source. On top of that, who says that electric cars and ICE cars can't exist together? Not every car needs to run E-Fuels and not every car needs to be electric. In an ideal world we would have E-Fuels, Electric and Hydrogen and even some regular Diesel/Petrol cars.
@jorrit_o
Жыл бұрын
Yeah the video left out a few VERY important points. I think in my perfect world the would all co-exist together. You have Efuels for old ICE cars or ICE sports cars, BEV for your general individual transport and maybe hydrogen for trucks and ships. We'll see how that goes...
@ventilate4267
Жыл бұрын
We have fission reactors right now but no one uses those
@robdavies6682
Жыл бұрын
@@ventilate4267 OMG - nobody is using the nuclear reactors producing, as I write, 4.3GW or 13% of the UK's electricity ?
@juamcaptix6193
Жыл бұрын
That’s true but to be honest- Diesel needed a few years to be perfect as well and I think with some research we can achieve similar stats
@drxym
Жыл бұрын
Hydrogen sucks for efficiency too. Even green hydrogen (i.e. produced by splitting water into hydrogen & oxygen) takes 3-4x as much energy to produce, ship, store and turn back to electricity as just charging a battery. And hydrogen usually isn't green, but instead produced during petrochemical processing. It was boosted by the oil industry and laggards like Toyota to sow some FUD around EVs and green tech. About the only viable future for hydrogen is when you have a surplus of energy which would otherwise go to waste if it wasn't captured somehow. Even then, there are probably better ways of doing it.
@BrianStDenis-pj1tq
Жыл бұрын
One challenge you addressed was volume, but you didn't mention cost. eFuels need to be produced in huge volume and low cost, or they won't move the needle. Let's hope they can meet our needs.
@kalemsmith6895
Жыл бұрын
Once countries start banning fossil fuels I’m sure other companies will start developing Efuel too
@MrHaggyy
Жыл бұрын
Volume and cost are highly correlated. The raw efuel will be more expensive for sure. Somewhere between 2-3 times. Cars with bigger cylinders can run cheaper fuel, downsized highly compressed turbocharged engines have far more requirements on the fuel. 😅 in Europe we have so much taxes on fuel that double the raw price would even effect the customer, if politics could waive their share. ^^ i mean they collected it in the name of climate in the first place. In the US price will most likely increase around 50%. But this technology is still emerging and needs embedding in several big existing industries. The amount of inaccuracy in these guesses is huge as it has so many variables that will change for sure.
@michaeldawson6309
Жыл бұрын
I guess they won't and they will attract a premium in cost. Stick with a modern EV as by the time EV fuels are here you will have the 1000Km range cars and for most that once a month charge.
@MrPeach1
Жыл бұрын
@@michaeldawson6309 I will believe that when I see a cell phone that I only charge once a month...
@CaosBoyCathian
Жыл бұрын
Incorrect statement Brian. The preservation of fuel production is intended to ensure all previous high value vehicles can continue to be used and sold without having to change ICE. The volumetrics required just simply can’t and won’t happen with the phase out of ICE vehicles. This isn’t for you, it’s for me and those that can afford the pricey cars everyone else looks at.
@adrian8426
Жыл бұрын
I hope this actually comes to fruition. As an EV owner, it is blatantly clear that EVs aren't for everyone and an alternative needs to exist to be able to sustain mobility. I am not too convinced about liquid hydrogen cars as of yet and it would pose a similar conundrum to EVs with the infrastructure to support them. But e-fuels really do hold a lot of value as the transition to them is not as far fetched and maintains a lot of the current infrastructure intact for petrol vehicles. Good luck to all pushing this forward.
@theipc-twizzt2789
Жыл бұрын
Apart from the actual gas stations non of the infrastructure beforehand can be used. You need: New power plants (solar, wind, storage), Water supply or desalination plants, water purifiers, electrolysers, storage for hydrogen, Carbon capture plants, E-fuel plants The larger projects right now (Chile) als need transport infrastructure.
@adrian8426
Жыл бұрын
@@theipc-twizzt2789 I was talking strictly about the distribution infrastructure which is the primary problem for EV owners and mass EV adoption. Production infrastructure development would come from most current fuel developers as they'll need to adapt or disappear. In terms of requiring carbon neutrality from the production infrastructure power source, if the countries are still not 100% non-fossil sourced, then it's a little hypocritical to request the same from the production facilities. It defeats the purpose when you charge an EV with a still primarily fossil driven power grid such as EU or US. That needs to be developed by each country's plan to shift but shouldn't be a dissuasive to change petrol for alternative fueling. As they say, every little helps and with time all pieces of the puzzle will line up.
@theipc-twizzt2789
Жыл бұрын
@@adrian8426 There is no point in burning fossil fuels to create synthetic fuels. You do realize that this would increase CO2 emissions? The advantage of battery based cars is precisely that: Even with an 100% fossil energy grid they have 10-20% lower lifetime CO2 emissions than burning fuel directly in an ICE car. This is due to combined cycle power plants beeing up to 60% efficient. So no - the point you make should not be considered. The only thing that should be considered is CO2 emissions. If E fuels emit more CO2 than fossil fuels then they should not be allowed. It they emit less they are fine. I fail to see how the power grid is a limiting factor in this. Even in the worst case assumption the grid would need to grow by less than 2% per year to accomodate a fully electric vehicle fleet by 2040. I invite you to do your own calculations, but this should be somewhat accurate. Using home storage, virtual power plants and vehicle to grid should all alleviate this problem.
@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270
Жыл бұрын
e-fuels do not solve the problem of localised pollution. They still 'burn stuff'...so people living along main routes in cities will get no relief from NoX, S02 and particulates. The root of the problem is internal combustion, whatever it is you're burning. There is a better technology which solves this problem, we have it already and it is growing fast.
@davidgifford8112
Жыл бұрын
This all assumes that the push for zero CO2 emission vehicles is about saving the planet from global warming. EVs warm the planet in their own way (increased CO2 emission at production than ICE vehicles and increased thermal load to atmospheric from power generation and distribution. As predicted by the The Club of Rome in 1970s the tipping point for the atmosphere was reached in the 1990s, nothing can save the planet now. EVs or (e)fuel ICE is just another wealth pumping exercise from the poor and middle income groups to the already wealthy.
@0Ninja0Dude0
Жыл бұрын
So I imagine they'd be made in various octanes? My main concern would be the longevity of the engine itself
@razona5139
Жыл бұрын
I imagine new engines can be produced that are better suited to the synthetic fuels.
@marwerno
Жыл бұрын
Yes, it can even be made to replace Diesel.
@ajstevens1652
Жыл бұрын
They said the same thing when they phased out leaded petrol. And yet those same old cars are running today without any lead.
@tiagovieira4492
8 ай бұрын
Efuel has the same chemical content as normal fuel, your engine wont feel a thing
@maximac1515
Жыл бұрын
It's worth to mention that cars on E-fuels may be carbon neutral but they won't be zero emmision vehicles because in combustion process in earth atmosphere harmful NOx particles will still be formed. Don't see it getting cheaper than EV's either but the technology itself is really interesting. In the end majority of people will choose a cheaper option so we will see how it will turn out.
@dubzfry
Жыл бұрын
Unless the whole supply chain uses e-fuels it will never but carbon neutral. I'd love for them to work and to be cost effective but I can't see why when the amount of energy in efuel that a car will use an EV with the initial amount of power to make that Efuel could go 4-5 times as far as efuel are seriously inefficient
@JavoCover
Жыл бұрын
Don't worry about emissions, there are plenty of IC invention patents that have not been used for too many decades. We will see an avalanche of "new" technologies not related to the fuel itself but how it gets managed to the engine.
@ghunt9146
Жыл бұрын
My money's on Betamax!
@1stroudm
Жыл бұрын
And there I was looking forward to cleaner air from 2030...
@Globetrotter-1
Жыл бұрын
There is no such thing as climate change, just corruption. Also the Co2 emissions are very positive for the planet.
@Dr-EV
Жыл бұрын
Just started watching this on April fools day, so taking this with a pinch of salt, but see the video was published the day before AND I know Porsche is working in new fuels.
@lastminutesolutions
Жыл бұрын
Kudos to Porsche and Siemens for pioneering e-fuels for cars. But this is gonna cost something like €20 per L. The market will probably be limited to vintage car owners and certain race events. Still really good that vintage cars will have something to run on in the future.
@eduo.5977
Жыл бұрын
"But this is gonna cost something like €20 per L." The people at Porsche and Siemens estimate that e-fuels can be produced for about 1 € to 1 €. So in the long run, they price might be low enough to rival charging a BEV. If you produce e-fuels in Saudi-Arabia where they think that 1 kWh will cost you 1 Cent, the price will go down even further.
@eduo.5977
Жыл бұрын
It must be "1 € to 1,20 €", of course. Sorry.
@cameronrobbins3521
Жыл бұрын
I'm currently in holiday in Greece I thought petrol was expensive in the UK but its already €20 a litre in Greece
@Frag-ile
Жыл бұрын
The price will ultimately depend entirely on the scale of production. If we see production plants all over the world pumping e-fuel out at the rate we have been producing petrol until now there's no reason the prices wouldn't come down to a manageable level. The initial investment would be high of course and initial prices would have to offset that. But once you got the infrastructure set up and you're making fuel out of air and solar power, it just might be super cheap.
@jordikorthals003
Жыл бұрын
Remember, E-fuels are currently in the testing stage. Everything has to start somewhere, but this has some great potential in the near future.
@ailurusfulgens1849
Жыл бұрын
It baffles me that this is supposedly news. F1 is currently in the process of using higher % of synth fuel and manufacturers like VW, Ford, Honda, Renault, Mercedes and some more have shown huge interest in the technology.
@finleypdoherty
Жыл бұрын
Carwow's ability to waffle to meet the 8 minute mark!
@ramheader4635
Жыл бұрын
It’s 5 now actually, dunno why he’s doing it.
@Tremeslay
Жыл бұрын
Thats cool. I hope they work on this tech together to save combustion engines with their sounds and save the planet at the same time, hopefully.
@Noine14159145
Жыл бұрын
E-fuels are about 5x the energy usage as an EV (without manufacturing the car, transporting the fuel etc)
@sierraecho884
Жыл бұрын
This won´t happen unfortunately. E-fuels just burn energy on mass, they are really really REALLY bad efficiency wise. It´s probably by far the worst solution. There is no way we could ever produce enough energy in a sustainable way to create nearly enough e-fuel for it to be somewhat affordable. It would be about 2-5x price increase. It´s basically a marketing gag at this point. E-fuels make sense for airplanes because they have to be light and have other limitations but for cars ? Never. Also I am saying that as a mechanical engineer and I do prefer combustion engines, it´s just not happening.
@sierraecho884
Жыл бұрын
@/O/ seaweed ? Can you propose a process where this is possible ? How much energy does is need and how well can it be burned in a combustion engine ?
@sierraecho884
Жыл бұрын
@/O/ If it´s generated out of biomass why not use sewage instead ? Otherwise you would have to harvest that stuff in the ocean instead which is not really practical and costly, you have to transport it and so on this also probably wastes more energy than generated back by the seaweed. But okay I see it´s just an idea of yours. Also don´t forget this biomass is probably needed by the ocean for something. It is an eco system after all, a closed loop. Something similar is already done with cow poo. But I mean how many of those "station" would you need to be able to generate the energy all modern cars need ? The problem is that oil is pretty damn good. It´s cheap, abundant, easily transported, has a very high energy density. You simply can´t beat this. The process to create any sort of E-fuels is always longer than simply using batteries. The pures form of energy would be electricity. To create E-fuels you need. Electricity --> hydrogen / methane. So instead of using electricity you use it to produce something else and so on, the efficiency simply isn´t there. I mean you can do that but why ? You can instead simply produce more batteries or use those resources otherwise.
@incrideableindia5303
Жыл бұрын
That's why I respect Porsche- not only for their racing pedigree or making superlative cars, but their R&D across the spectrum.
@MikevanKuik
Жыл бұрын
As it can be turned into a diesel fuel, I presume it will be possible to produce bunker oil as well. Which would be great news for the shipping industry. They wouldn't have to overhaul the whole fleet and replace every engine in there. As burning bunker oil produces a worse air quality then diesel or petrol it would be a great option for cruise ships and every other ship which docks within cities to start off with.
@emperorbuttman
Жыл бұрын
Video actually starts at 4:00 for whoever's interested in using that amount of their life for better things
@nanag-attee562
Жыл бұрын
Ha ha ha!! Thank you.
@jeyanthsamuel
Жыл бұрын
thank you. sincerely.
@sierraecho884
Жыл бұрын
Video is shit anyway, I only came here to argue.
@arendary
Жыл бұрын
The precious time I’ve saved will be used watching building mud house by random Indonesian at 3am
@MultiNakir
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, sir! 🫡
@chrisdixon1056
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been an electric car owner for almost 10 years. It has been the best car ownership experience I’ve ever had thanks to charging. Matt, you told us all of the down sides of electric cars. But none of the downsides to keeping an internal combustion engine. Like still needing oil changes, or transmission fluid on occasion. Or the hundreds of moving parts in an ICE that means more mechanical maintenance over time. Not complaining but there was no fair balance.
@jontyrocks3
Жыл бұрын
ICE manufacturers clutching at straws to save their precious engines
@chrisdixon1056
Жыл бұрын
@@jontyrocks3 saving themselves from having to spend on making changes. Mr. Toyoda doesn’t want to put all his eggs in one basket, I think that was hilarious to point out. We’ve had our eggs in one basket for over a century with internal combustion, so why the comment. Just an excuse to slow things down.
@whoprofits2661
Жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@Showmetheevidence-
Жыл бұрын
Akio Toyoda should be applauded. They’re just saying (politically correctly) that EVs are NOT the *only* solution… 👏 👏 Simple common sense that’s clearly lacking in the EU.
@robertvanruyssevelt7159
Жыл бұрын
They are not offering an alternative. They have been working on hydrogen for decades and are still not there yet.
@adamalloul4539
Жыл бұрын
Ever heard of NOx pollution? or nano-particules?
@benjaminmuller9348
Жыл бұрын
EVs shouldn't legally be the only Option, but from an economic and scientific perspective, they are
@Gryf_
Жыл бұрын
3:55 The EU is making an exception for e-fuel. Simple common sense like watching the video before commenting is clearly lacking in some. 👏 👏
@robertvanruyssevelt7159
Жыл бұрын
@@Gryf_ If you have watched the video then you do not understand the issues. Neither hydrogen nor "e-fuels" are the answer to the world's problems. The EU exception for e-fuels is made on political grounds, not scientific or economic grounds,
@zorpio6469
Жыл бұрын
We all need to buy Porsches!
@TheXextreem
Жыл бұрын
If you can buy a Porsches you can buy a plane too.
@EgroegNosnhoj
Жыл бұрын
Good luck with the 18 month waiting lists!!
@DrakorGaet
Жыл бұрын
@@TheXextreem Well... no. I got two Porsche, but I am pretty Sure I can't buy a plane. Although, maybe a used Cessna is possible. Might look it up some day. Need a license first, however
@TheXextreem
Жыл бұрын
@@DrakorGaet It's a joke, Einstein.
@JuliusBriggs
Жыл бұрын
@@TheXextreem well then we all thank you for once again proving how boundlessly unfunny some people are capable of being
@cloudvsephiroth215
Жыл бұрын
Why hasn't anyone been doing videos on porsche's syn fuel. It's been in research for ages. This is the hope the community needed and the community just ignored it for years.
@mostbeautifulroads9789
Жыл бұрын
Because it's a pipe dream. Way too expensive and inefficient. It's just a last ditch effort from Porsche to somehow keep a small number of ICE alive for rich enthusiasts. It's very obvious for everyone in Europe that this was something enabled by a hand full of German politicians who were lobbied heavily by Porsche. ICE's will die for the vast majority of car customers for good. BEV's are just the objectively better option for at least 95% of car customers, so they will choose a BEV over an ICE. Not because politicians are forcing them to but because they want to.
@stanisawkwasniewski2087
Жыл бұрын
@@mostbeautifulroads9789 Bro what are you even saying, this tech is still in it's early days of development, it will get cheaper over time. And it's not just porsche doing this, you've got toyota and other automotive manufacturers working on it too. It seems like you're some kind of EV fanboy that just can't accept the fact that they may not be the future after all. And BEV's are definitely not the objectively better option for at least 95% of car customers, where do you even get these numbers, EV's are way too expensive and unpractical for the average customer.
@SpectrumNumber
Жыл бұрын
@@stanisawkwasniewski2087 as you said before it will get cheaper over time evs wont be this expensive forever you have pretty much every brand working on it. Also we don't even know if the Porsche fuel will work.
@mostbeautifulroads9789
Жыл бұрын
@@stanisawkwasniewski2087 "Bro" I'm anything but an EV fanboy I'm still driving powerful ICE cars and enjoy them but I'm also less connected emotionally to the concept of ICE than seemingly a lot of people here are, enabling me to accept that eFuels will never beat BEVs in efficiency, in fact they won't even come close. Completely ignoring the fact that the production of eFuels is already insanely wasteful even IF it could be produced with zero losses compared to electric energy (and that is a HUGE if!) internal combustion engines are sitting at 40% efficiency in the very very very best cases (ignoring 2-stroke diesels from big ship engines) while BEVs are already doing twice that. Furthermore most manufacturers are completely canceling or MASSIVELY scaling back their ICE programm (E.g. Mercedes reducing their ICE investments by 80% until 2026) meaning ICE will fall back even further, also meaning less demand for eFuels, meaning higher costs due to economies of scale. And in terms of BEVs being too expensive another user already mentioned that they are getting cheaper by the day, while you seem to give the benefit of the doubt to eFuels becoming MASSIVELY cheaper (we are talking orders of magnitude here) in there near future despite most likely having very little demand (since there's hardly any manufacturers going down that route, for a reason.) you don't seem to give this benefit of the doubt to BEVs as well. In terms of them being "impractical": BEVs ALREADY easily cover the distance needed for most consumers on a single charge, all this while not even having to see a gas station anymore due go being able to charge at home, and the charging stations at home will only become more and more common. EV ranges are increasing by the day as well. EVs are more comfortable, need way less maintenance and are simpler and cheaper to maintain, don't need to be warmed up, will have you go through less brakepads/discs, etc. Sorry "bro" I hate to break it to you but BEVs will become more and more established and for good reasons. It seems you're emotionally invested in ICE technology so Porsche will maybe cater to your needs but don't expect it to be cheap in any way since you'll be paying the massive costs of ICE development split up between very little quantities and will have to use a fuel that will be hardly available and very expensive, no matter how much you wish for it to be otherwise, sorry. It's simple physics unfortunately.
@jamestunedflat8942
Жыл бұрын
@@stanisawkwasniewski2087 if I may interject here. There are major problems with both EVs and ICEVs. To ignore either side is being a fan boy. Personally, I'd like a vehicle that can be refuelled anywhere, has minimal maintenance, is safe, and built in such a way that it has negligible effects on the environment. Let's face it neither side of the equation has it all, or even a majority. A good hybrid system, in my opinion, is the best option for now, but the sustainer must be very efficient, cheap, and light weight, as well as being simple with low maintenance cost. On the battery side of the equation, having a smaller battery pack, can save on weight and improve charge times as well as lessen the amount of resources needed to mine and refine the materials needed to create it. The more range a battery pack gives you, the less environmentally friendly it becomes. I'd say a range of 50miles(freedom units) is sufficient to travel on the battery alone. This will get you to and from work, and to a service station if your ICE sustainer is inoperable. The future is also very uncertain, and we have no idea what new technology, or government intervention is going to come down the pipe, and cause our extinction.
@shaheens9837
Жыл бұрын
The only problem is the cost. I heard that a gallon of e-fuel cost twice the current price of a gallon of petrol. They need to lower the cost somehow or else, common people won't be able to afford it. I hope this seriously work out tho. I love ICE cars a lot and i hope they don't die out. And EVs and e-fuel cars can perfectly coexist together. EVs for daily usage and e-fuel cars for long trips which means we get the best of both worlds.
@ayanbanerjee7479
Жыл бұрын
I also hope that too🤞🏻
@cheeseontoastbrah
Жыл бұрын
Simple economics of scale for the pricing and throw a bit of competition in for mix once it starts going.
@asitadkar4976
Жыл бұрын
I think it'll come down as demand increases
@matthewdilks2677
Жыл бұрын
@@asitadkar4976 as supply increases. Not demand
@mostbeautifulroads9789
Жыл бұрын
It's not twice the price, it's multiples. eFuels need at least 5x the energy to move an ICE the same distance an EV would move, so it will always be WAY more expensive than EV's, it's just physics. There's no way around it.
@antoinevanderstraeten1315
Жыл бұрын
You forgot the main issue with synthetic fuel, it's the price ! I read that if made in large scale synthetic fuel could go down as low as 2€/liter to make. You have to compare that with fossil fuel that cost about 0,13€ per liter to extract and refine. IN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO, SYNTHETIC FUEL WOULD BE 15x MORE EXPENSIVE than fossil fuel ! It's fine for supercars on a track but it is not a solution for everyone in the near future.
@jozefmalik3944
Жыл бұрын
thats maybe but gov would not tax a clean fuel so at the moment large percentage of fuel is a gov tax. they still find a way to shaft us tho lol
@youthere7327
Жыл бұрын
now your getting it! the elites will still be able to use it but we wont
@newsboyaudio
Жыл бұрын
"The carbon has been Partially offset"
@lukelawrence6007
Жыл бұрын
Good news for car guys 😊
@StonedSc00by
Жыл бұрын
Donut media done a video on this a couple weeks ago, they said it costs 40$ a litre. So with the way the industry works, it will only be for elites
@purwantiallan5089
Жыл бұрын
Yes. But sadly bad news indeed since Carwow gonna change the thumbnail again.
@CaptainKedah
Жыл бұрын
This E-Fuel its just a Concept , practically on a very small scale because its Mega Expensive and Time Consuming to Produce
@Prizm21
Жыл бұрын
@@CaptainKedah so were electric cars, and still are to an extent. as time goes on technology improves and so does the system and infrastructure necessary
@beanapprentice1687
Жыл бұрын
bad news for your pockets though
@AbnormalAspirations
Жыл бұрын
It takes 4x as much energy to make an e-fuel as it does to put the same amount of energy in a BEV.
@guenthermichaels5303
Жыл бұрын
It takes 100,000 km of driving an ev to break even on the carbon emissions used to make it.
@AbnormalAspirations
Жыл бұрын
@@guenthermichaels5303 how many km of driving an IC car does it take to break even the carbon emissions?
@guenthermichaels5303
Жыл бұрын
@@AbnormalAspirations they don't but they part way at 100k mark. So upto that point, they are even.
@frankbecker9880
Жыл бұрын
@@guenthermichaels5303 Do you have a source other than anti EV propaganda for this statement? E-Fuels will be needed but they don’t make economic sense for passenger cars. Guess what the politicians “fighting“ for e-fools did 2nd? Right, asking for subsidies.
@frankreynolds9930
Жыл бұрын
@@guenthermichaels5303 As recycling and battery tech improves, it will massively decrease. Efuels development will always be slower than battery.
@Alex-rj6sv
Жыл бұрын
synthetic fuel has been around for years. I'm surprised they didn't bring this to light sooner.
@Rsonny
Жыл бұрын
Same thought here, my guess is that big oil only just started losing their stranglehold over the industry and can no longer hinder research
@jamesstaggs4160
Жыл бұрын
Yeah well "they" probably don't want it to be common. "They" don't care about carbon emissions. It's about limiting mobility of the general population.
@fradaja
Жыл бұрын
Probably something to do with the fact it’s bollocks
@vgaportauthority9932
Жыл бұрын
@@fradaja That's the right answer. Science journals have written about e-fuels before. it's always spoken of as mostly a pipe dream with little chance of actual success compared to other emerging technologies. e-fuel is what happens when the status quo gets toppled. e-fuel is like e-horses. Once the car came around, horses weren't that useful. Once electric motors came around, making a huge drivetrain and a massive engine just so we can listen to the vroom vrooms made less and less sense by the year... A battery, speed regulator and two small electric motors is just a better way to make a car.. No gearbox, no axels, no engine.. We're going from a thousand moving parts to like two RC motors and the steering column and its assembly.. The main concern is how to store energy, and how to make magnets without causing havoc to the planet.
@k1ortia
Жыл бұрын
Because big cooperations would loose billions. Simple
@TGWazoo1
Жыл бұрын
I’ve noticed the tendency for some to over simplify hydrogen as; It’s water man! It’s actually hydrogen and divorcing the hydrogen molecule takes a great deal of energy and cost.
@golach420
Жыл бұрын
Germany was fighting to extend the deadline for ICE powered vehicles. Synthetic fuels are still going to create pollution. JCB has been developing hydrogen ICE (H-ICE) engines for their plant machinery. Harry's Garage was recently visiting JCB. They originally started with modifying existing engines, but due to the technical challenges, they've had to design an all-new engine for H-ICE. Significantly quieter than diesel, with H2O being the only emission out the exhaust. The challenge is capturing hydrogen cleanly and for the cost to be similar to current fuels.
@TheJarric
Жыл бұрын
eu gonna have to there aint enough rare earth minerals in current mines and greens dont allow them in europe
@noizz4
Жыл бұрын
if you can use hydrogen to generate electricity why would you burn it and lose half of the energy😂
@Turborider
Жыл бұрын
Hyrogen cars are nothing new. BMW experimented with them a lot over 20 years ago. But this system does not work. The fact that it requires so much energy to produce hydrogen alone makes this technology not feasible
@Mertt1990
Жыл бұрын
hydrogen ICE was also used in the 7 series over 20 years ago. There were many problems you could find on the web. I don't think it will be reborn.
@na_wu
Жыл бұрын
No but generation of hydrogen cells requires pollution. It doesn’t offset carbon emission like synthetic fuel.
@christianhumer3084
Жыл бұрын
I love how you paint it. You describe: "Basically one minister making a U-turn, ignoring every political decision making so far to get his will (who is known to be very liberal towards companies) to let the upper class can profit from fuel that needs to be highly subsidized" as "A company saved the whole petrol engine with tech, that convinced all decision makers that this is a bad idea".
@Chucknorich
Жыл бұрын
Word! This should not be viewed as journalism it is just plane advertising Porsche and its anti EV stance.
@rb.x
Жыл бұрын
There’s a lot to be anti about EV. A lot.
@mostbeautifulroads9789
Жыл бұрын
@@rb.x Well wasting 90% of the energy put into moving it certainly isn't one of them ...
@Chucknorich
Жыл бұрын
@@rb.x it is the best option we have right now, b/c it is the most efficient. E-Fuel and Hydrogen will not work b/c they are not efficient enough to be used by the Steel and chemisrty industries and be used as a fuel source for Cars of the General public.
@HYVEnetwork
Жыл бұрын
@@Chucknorich This sounds eerily similar to the talk they had about EVs before the technology caught up 🤔
@timbucknall7074
Жыл бұрын
Work out what these fuels will cost. They will be good for occasional drives in a classic, and maybe for formula 1, but they will be far too expensive to use for transport.
@gregripp
Жыл бұрын
Any combustion using air (80% Nitrogen) under pressure produces NOx a pollutant. Gotta fix that too Push.
@mikew6554
Жыл бұрын
It's a nice idea but I think e-fuel will likely be the fuel of professional racing and the ultra wealthy. Current pricing on e-fuel is roughly $40 USD per gallon. More than likely EVs will be the dominant option for most drivers and enthusiast cars will have a much higher price tag with disgustingly high fuel cost.
@RC-fm6bj
Жыл бұрын
You like most people are clueless about the paucity of raw materials for batteries etc. the world's known reserves of lithium are insufficient to supply batteries for the forcast uptake of EVs and certainly replacement batteries.
@Logansix
Жыл бұрын
@@RC-fm6bj That's nonsense. Lithium is one of the most common materials on earth and is contained in salt. So we're more likely to run out of oil.
@texanplayer7651
Жыл бұрын
@@RC-fm6bj Actually there IS enough lithium in the world to replace all cars. The current production just needs to scale up accordingly. If we are able to spend billions of dollars to extract billions of barrels of oil, we should be more than able to extract the same amounts of lithium.
@roccociccone597
Жыл бұрын
@@texanplayer7651 nothing like exploiting even more poor regions for their resources :)
@davidthomas6047
Жыл бұрын
@@roccociccone597 yes Australia is a very poor region
@Puneet_P
Жыл бұрын
0:03 Hello Vsauce, Michael here
@simonwalsh9668
Жыл бұрын
This was a great video even before the balcony I’m sitting on watching it featured 😃 Keep up the sterling work, Matt!
@leojei
Жыл бұрын
Last I checked, carbon capture tech isn't fully materialized. So the advantage of efuel being carbon neutral is still up in the air.
@spartan9945
Жыл бұрын
If this does come to reality and if global or mostly, I would like to see Dodge continue production of the Challenger and Chevy making Camaros again
@Marcotra
Жыл бұрын
E-fuel will take 10 times more energy than batteries to move a car, it means that you have to spend at least 10 times more money to use it and build 10 times more solar panels or wind turbines to just make noise with your car
@bramkatoen695
Жыл бұрын
Its worth every penny
@candybutcher8662
Жыл бұрын
synthetic fuels is a really good concept , to put it simply you can either charge 3 batteries for one run (synthetic fuel) or charge a single battery for one run! its efficient to use batteries , but i really hope this tech develops!
@Lokielan
Жыл бұрын
Obviously, it's a rich company that "magically" finds an alternative fuel source.....
@aboodz3924
Жыл бұрын
legal or illegal we love it
@purwantiallan5089
Жыл бұрын
It is legal for me
@ВадимВадимович-ь6т
Жыл бұрын
the irony in this is that it uses carbon dioxide to produce synthetic fuels, which is exactly the material they dont want in the atmosphere
@KShauryaDwivedi
Жыл бұрын
@@ВадимВадимович-ь6т its the same with electricity, clean energy is far from being everywhere
@ptanticar
Жыл бұрын
Who the fuck is "we"?
@ZZZ77-
Жыл бұрын
@@ВадимВадимович-ь6т yes they take co2 out of the air to make it
@vanjabecirovic275
Жыл бұрын
Great Video as always Matt. You cant say the BZ4X is Toyotas first ev car. They launched the Rav4 fully Ev back in 1997.
@lilllwizzzle
Жыл бұрын
It's crazy that people still don't know that the first electric car was actually in the 1800s
@kooooons
Жыл бұрын
@@lilllwizzzle I'm pretty sure people know that by now but this was about toyotas first EV, not EVs in general.
@Rezcuz
Жыл бұрын
@@kooooons Most people still don't know that
@Professor-Scientist
Жыл бұрын
@@Rezcuz There was a village full of people who thought they knew everything. They would argue and debate about all kinds of topics, but no one could ever agree on anything. One day, a wise old man came to the village and said, "You know, the more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know." The villagers were outraged. "What do you mean you don't know everything? We know everything!" they exclaimed. So the wise old man decided to test their knowledge. He asked them a series of simple questions, like "What's the capital of France?" and "Who wrote 'Romeo and Juliet'?" But much to his surprise, no one in the village could answer any of the questions correctly. The wise old man chuckled and said, "Looks like you don't know everything after all." The villagers were humbled and realized that there was still so much for them to learn. From that day on, they made an effort to seek knowledge and never assumed they knew everything again.
@davidcoldham3765
Жыл бұрын
He said it is Toyota’s first bespoke electric car which it still is as the electric RAV4 was based on the ICE RAV4 platform
@mariuszkijowski2180
Жыл бұрын
I agree with the charging problems but we have to remember there is a significant energy los when using the internal combustion engine.
@martinsaint9999
Жыл бұрын
Filling up the tank of my car with e-fuel will double the worth of my car.
@mr.stranded3213
Жыл бұрын
Finally someone with a higher range Talking about it, love the content
@matty1609
Жыл бұрын
It would have been interesting to also add a few talking points about F1’s synthetic fuel into the video as well.
@hibye-jx3dy
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I was thinking about that
@StMidium
11 ай бұрын
I hope this technology takes off, as I want to keep driving interesting cars for years to come. But on the slow EV gone charging: I have driven an EV for two years now, and have only used public chargers for very long distance drives (over 400 km). When I charge at home, it doesn't matter that it's slow. I'm not sitting around waiting for it. I'm doing other stuff, like sleeping...
@modscotsman
Жыл бұрын
What about the costs per litre? And the fact that it's made in Brazil and shipped half way across the world. From the costs I've seen best case is 20quid a litre. This is purely to help some car companies survive? It won't be affordable for most people
@bmachadobrandao
Жыл бұрын
I would also recommend watching Engineering Explained's video about eFuels and its efficiency compared current options
@ashking8759
Жыл бұрын
Never been a fan of Porsche's but this makes me want to buy one out of pure respect
@Shreejansurya98
Жыл бұрын
How could some one love cars but not a fan of Porshe 😭
@boredscientist5756
Жыл бұрын
Just some of the best cars in the world....😂
@Anonymous5611k
Жыл бұрын
Please stay away then King of Ashes.
@michaelbrown9031
Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to seeing how these fuels develop. I'd be keen to get my FD running in the stuff and keep it alive as it was always meant to be!
@japanluv
Жыл бұрын
Where do you live? It’s my favourite car ever and still haven’t managed to get my hands on one due to life commitments and so on. I live in west part of London close to M25. I would pay you to take me for a ride in it !
@blacksionman
Жыл бұрын
My FD will never disappear
@michaelbrown9031
Жыл бұрын
@@japanluv Life commitments do slow up these things unfortunately, as does everything costing so much! Don't drive mine as much as i'd like, but hoping to get some good drives in it this year after i've fixed a couple things. I'm based in the Portsmouth area. If we're ever in the same area, i'd be happy to take you for a spin, no charge
@johncouriermeh
Жыл бұрын
The problem is Matt that the British government is like a juggernaut in the Pacific. It takes an extremely long time for any change to occur and they set on this green, Ev route. How is the industry intending to change the establishment's mindset.
@spike6385
Жыл бұрын
I just hope that these fuels can achieve economies of scale, quickly
@WIPEYOURLENZ
Жыл бұрын
I have known this for a long time it’s why I have not jumped on the electric car bandwagon. Hopefully by the rule change I can still buy an ICE car. 🤞🏻
@Doogie1954
Жыл бұрын
The synthetic fuel has been developed but it is in short supply and approx. $40.00 litre.
@ahihatv468
Жыл бұрын
Just like every new technology ever developed. It's expensive and scarce. However both will change in the next decade
@LionAndi
Жыл бұрын
@@ahihatv468 This is far from being true. This is because the process of creating e fuels is extremly inefficient due to conversion losses. So what you do is istead of charging a Battery, you take already produced electricity from renewable energies to create hydrogen out of warter (~30% losses) then you need to extract CO2 from the atmosphere (also extrem inefficient) then you create your e fuel in a reactor (more losses) and transport the fuel to your gas station. At the end you get about 17% efficiency from well to wheel instead of ~85% using a electric car.
@Chicken_cocknballsoup7376
Жыл бұрын
@@LionAndi inefficiency isn’t the main problem to the consumer here. Since the resources used for efuel production is pretty much infinite. The main problem will be higher price itself. But this much progress in such a short time is made by only one company and now TOYOTA and STELLANTIS (two of the biggest automotive companies) have also decided to support Porsche and e-fuels. The problem of high gas prices is likely to go down as mass production takes place and cost of transportation is significantly reduced. In fact, by 2025 the price for it is expected to drastically go down.
@olsonspeed
Жыл бұрын
Phase change inefficiencies for E- Fuel needs to be improved before this technology will be a viable alternative.
@ytmusic3450
Жыл бұрын
Imagine that some people still believe that electric cars are eco friendly 🤣🤣🤣
@nathandumais346
Жыл бұрын
I loved porsche before but now, it’s on a totally different level
@neo11211
Жыл бұрын
Great video Matt, more of these industry insight are welcome. 🎉
@DirkDien
Жыл бұрын
The problem is that e-fuels still cannot fix physics, it will be very difficult to be competitive with EVs which have a much better energy transmission efficiency.
@inzert
Жыл бұрын
So the reasoning for the e-fuel escape route is that we don't have the infrastructure yet. So we go e-fuel for which.... we don't have the infrastructure yet. Brilliant reasoning.
@MCDrB-wq8ed
Жыл бұрын
The thing is we could get the infrastructure to go e-fuel. We will never have the infrastructure to go full EV because the raw materials to replace every single ICE on the planet simply does not exist.
@matth8205
Жыл бұрын
We do have the infrastructure what were missing is production capacity
@allwheeldrive
Жыл бұрын
@@matth8205 No, not true. Who would be the distribution partners? This is Porsche's invention. Do you think, say, Shell would be interested in having someone take part of their market away? I think not.
@MCDrB-wq8ed
Жыл бұрын
@@matth8205 No, we don't. The UK, and Europe for that matter, does not have the power generation capacity to support full EV. We barely have enough for what we have right now and cannot deal with any shocks to the grid.
@00lorted
Жыл бұрын
We don't have the infrastructure yet most stop where chargers are have normal cars parked in, chargers not working there's a lack of chargers plus if I live in a house but don't have my own drive how I charge my car get a 100m extension cable alot of people have to park on roads or away from there house 😂 and fast chargers are expensive like 26-30 quid to fill to full to get 250 miles I can spend 60 quid on diesel in 5 minutes and driver over 600 miles, ev cars are shite, plus add in the English weather winter you'll probably get 200 miles or less from a EV unless
@shaykerrigan6228
Жыл бұрын
Great idea, get it going Porsche hope this becomes a thing!!
@VikingRul3s
Жыл бұрын
It already is, just not on this side of the planet
@Noine14159145
Жыл бұрын
It is super expensive compared to charging an EV
@shaykerrigan6228
Жыл бұрын
@Leo Mühring I'd rather pay the expense and keep the internal combustion engine alive then charge am E.V! E.V are great and all that, but combustion engines make you feel alive and connected to the vehicle! 💯
@MrHaggyy
Жыл бұрын
Europe had a roadmap for net zero fuel since 2012. We mixed net zero components in the refinery process. It should be increased from 5% to 100% over several 4 year steps. Didn't happen as we couldn't scale these process to the required fuel consumption. But it's great that politics decided to keep diversity in technology alive rather then decemating it down to battery powered vehicles. Ship's planes and trains can be loaded so heavy that electricity can't provide enough power over distance. And it helps reducing emissions of existing cars a lot. But for now you can drive ~5 times as far in an EV from the power used to make e-fuels. But both technologies will keep evolving after the new regulations. So it stays interessting.
@richardglover314
Жыл бұрын
The really sad thing is the demise of the internal combustion engine is not about the fuel it uses. The transition to us all driving electric one day in the distant future is simply because electric motors can already do a better job of turning our wheels in the vast majority of road vehicles. And in time even the most advanced ICE will be no match against the best electric motors. So even if you have completely clean fuel to run your ICE you won't have it attached to the wheels.
@notaveragehuman
Жыл бұрын
but can your electric motor spit flames? dont take this seriously obviously but I sure will miss ICE's when they're gone one day
@bursucu2912
Жыл бұрын
Nuclear power is also one of the best ways to provide plenty of energy to e fuel factories and these can run all year round while making close to zero emissions. France would be a hot spot for e fuel manufacturing in Europe if that would be the case. They have so much energy that they sell it to their neighbors.
@shivanshparashar5760
Жыл бұрын
even if e-fuels come into play they are very expensive somewhere around $40/gallon.
@anydaynow01
Жыл бұрын
Yep, they will just be for fun cars and driving a classic car around on a Sunday morning, few people will have the cash to run efuels in their daily driver, so in that sense it polices itself from polluting too much. I just hope I won't have to get a special tune to run it. One thing that might bring the price down is to use it to make E-85, now that's a tune and fuel system upgrade I won't mind getting for my trackday car!
@daddy_.rome0
Жыл бұрын
It's because the demand is so low. Once the demand for it rises the prices should fall, and over time it should become around standard petrol and diesel prices.
@CHAOS80120
Жыл бұрын
@Daddy Romeo high demand doesn't lower price it raises it. Supply is what can lower price
@daddy_.rome0
Жыл бұрын
@@CHAOS80120 higher demand will prompt higher supply, so in extension the price will become lower.
@CHAOS80120
Жыл бұрын
@Daddy Romeo this is not inherently true, some things just have a low supply due to logistical reasons and will only see their prices increase with demand. However in this case you are probably correct to assume the supply can increase once a demand has been confirmed
@mr.nobody9646
Жыл бұрын
Keep going Porsche. You fight for us
@rolfknappmann
Жыл бұрын
1:21 - I just realized that this new Prius just straight up copied the Ferrari SF90's headlights
@wbwayne8887
Жыл бұрын
At a huge $$$ saving. 😂
@frankh.4226
Жыл бұрын
Thought there was a Clean Water SHORTAGE!
@Bmontepeque11
Жыл бұрын
Synthetic Fuel is the beacon of light on which the future of sports cars must be built on :') And it's not even just Porsche, Toyota, Subaru, Mazda, Suzuki, Daihatsu and Lamborghini are also researching e-fuels. EVs and Hybrids are totally fine for most aplications, but a sports car that doesn't sound amazing is not the same :(
@oskar6661
Жыл бұрын
Every automotive manufacturer is studying alternatives to EV's whether or not they'll admit it. EV's are not a solution to 90% of the worlds transporation needs. They're a gimmick sold to rich westerners who have a guilty conscience.
@matthewdilks2677
Жыл бұрын
I couldn’t agree more. EV for normal use, Hydrogen ice and E fuels for enthusiasts.
@rottenegg988
Жыл бұрын
Love Porsche...I hope they flourish over the years
@punkask3619
Жыл бұрын
EV's destroy the ecosystem of where it's extracted from...making it unsustainable. Hybrids like the SF-90 and the Revuelto will be the way forward. Watching Seen Through Glass's video on it Porsche say that you can even mix Petrol and Synthetic Fuels to make it a Net Zero Emission output. Sounds like a win for Engines of all sizes!
@purwantiallan5089
Жыл бұрын
Is Porsche 911 GT3RS a hybrid one?
@tommeaden8219
Жыл бұрын
What about the ecosystems that are destroyed by fossil fuel drilling? OIi spills kill ecosystems. EV has the potential to be a totally sustainable, grated currently it could be better but still better than ICE. Its takes 5 times the amount of electricity energy to make e-fuels vs in a EV. The video didn't tell the whole picture...
@punkask3619
Жыл бұрын
@@purwantiallan5089 No it's not but with the hybrids it will take the engine output to over 1000HP. A Hybrid system like the Revuelto's 180HP EV system could turn the Porsche from a 518HP to a 700HP car...that would be insane!
@jonwragg3822
Жыл бұрын
Rubbish
@maxkopec4289
Жыл бұрын
Carbon Engineering has been producing synthetic fuels for years now. Problem was main shareholders were personnel’s that hold high stakes in oil
@dennis5909
Жыл бұрын
#Save the engines
@purwantiallan5089
Жыл бұрын
Yes. Save the turbo engine.
@kooooons
Жыл бұрын
Especially the steam engines. Stanley steamer all day everyday!
@beanapprentice1687
Жыл бұрын
e-fuels will never work. It will take far too long for e-fuel production to meet the demand for the amount of ICE vehicles on the road.
@kooooons
Жыл бұрын
@@beanapprentice1687 True. People need to research the numbers involved. To provide a hypothetical world with 100% EVs in the would take a pessimistic 15 PWh in renewables. 26PWh less than is currently used in oil for ICEs. To provide e-Fuels for current ICEs would take 77PWh in renewables 36PWh more than currently. The total primary energy consumption of the world is ~170 PWh. The world is struggling to implement enough renewables to meet the EVs target until 2050. Assuming to meet the E-Fuel target in 2035 is insane.
@G0rdiFl0ndi
Жыл бұрын
Amazing what can be accomplished when threatened! Add this to the list of reasons I love Porsche
@rayman1230
Жыл бұрын
Did you know that Porsche was the first to really implement the idea of Hybrid function to fruition? They were tasked among other people during the war to come up with Tank ideas. At the time, the technology wasn’t there to fully support the idea reliably. But Porsche made a tank that had a gas engine to power the electric motors, that moved the tank tracks
@FrancisJacquerye
Жыл бұрын
We might end up in a situation in which using a combustion engine is luxury, while using an electric engine is pedestrian (pun not intended).
@AbnormalAspirations
Жыл бұрын
That’s not a pun. You’re using that word. But it doesn’t mean what you think it means.
@FrancisJacquerye
Жыл бұрын
@@AbnormalAspirations pedestrian as walking on foot, and pedestrian as being lower class
@mostbeautifulroads9789
Жыл бұрын
That is exactly the case. At best eFuels will be an extremely niche thing for a few enthusiasts that can afford and are willing to buy old technology from Porsche to be used with extremely expensive fuel that is hardly available while the masses will be driving EV's and will be happy about it.
@tonyadeney1245
7 ай бұрын
fuel companies were warned for years to clean up fuels - cars manufacturers did their best - now porsche with a second party have been developing their own clean fuels - electric cars have found a new use prompting others into action -
@guddudubey5587
Жыл бұрын
If they tie up with a petroleum giant like shell and they will be successful in bringing it to the masses
@iandavis8725
Жыл бұрын
So you didn’t watch the video where it says they’ve partnered with ExxonMobil?
@SYSTEM__32
Жыл бұрын
The world’s governments should really concentrate on E-fuels instead of electric power. It’d be much cheaper to use our current fuel infrastructure worldwide than to add a ton of electric chargers.
@tanishpatil9262
Жыл бұрын
As Jeremy Clarkson once said, "It's back to camels for you"
@FactsnotFiction555
Жыл бұрын
Only problem with this is the EU have said only new ICE vehicles from 2035 will be allowed to run on e fuels and according to Grant Shapps the UK will not be following the EU on this "because we now longer have to"... another Brexit benefit!
@keepitreal2902
Жыл бұрын
It is 4 times less efficient to run a car on eFuels than running an EV. It is crazy to support this technology.
@Sigkete
9 ай бұрын
Cite this information. Furthermore, its not about that, using this could save time and allow us to avoid building all that expensive infrastructure to support a total switch to EVs.
@PongPogPonderan
Жыл бұрын
i hope that E-fuels upgrade too as theyre expanded on in production. I wanna still drive my jeep renegade
@laithforster92
Жыл бұрын
Great news hopefully we will be able to use E fuels soon than later
@michaeldawson6309
Жыл бұрын
Yes at an increased cost I am sure.
@Hashtiger
Жыл бұрын
Porsche: Makes syntetic fuel Governments and petrol concerns:🧐
@nytexvz
Жыл бұрын
efuel just might save our precious engines 😁
@minatormyth
Жыл бұрын
Common sense and stop worshipping at the alter of climate change would soon cure this religious cult.
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