F1 drivers' 3 different ways to attack a corner: kzitem.info/news/bejne/qoVqxYBvk6KqmJg
@nestroit5010
Ай бұрын
considering mclaren even had to use a lower drag setup the difference is insane. the merc engine truly was something else man and gave mercedes a lot of room to play around with the aero/setup
@YoutubeAreJewz
Ай бұрын
Yep, was the engine mostly. Lulu fans forget that
@gabrielsebastian8444
Ай бұрын
they barely had reliability issues in 2017 and i couldn't even remember one, meanwhile ferrari as a championship rival...
@icantdecideahandle
Ай бұрын
@@KZitemAreJewzNot a Lewis fan, but damn what a stupid ass comment downplaying his work. Let’s put you in an F1 car huh? edit: nvm, username checked out, just an idiot
@dre6495
Ай бұрын
@@KZitemAreJewz "engine mostly" when in 2018, ferrari had a more powerful engine than mercedes and Lewis still won the championship by a wide margin. Do ur homework lil bro
@tegarandikash
Ай бұрын
@KZitemAreJewz so is verstappen now, and any other world champion
@5950ziel
Ай бұрын
CAN YOU GO FLAT? Alonso: Yes, every corner.
@bossmen6665
Ай бұрын
He did brake at eau rouge
@5950ziel
Ай бұрын
@@bossmen6665 that's a quote from an interview with him either in 2015 or 2017 but I think it was 2017 in spain or so.
@raychev982
Ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@dragonballhomie4353
Ай бұрын
He didn't brake. That's faulty graphic @@bossmen6665
@fpupesh
Ай бұрын
and yet he broke in eau rouge 😂
@spilledcoffeeinfistbump
Ай бұрын
Now I get it when Alonso says GP2 engine
@Osaka_Ai
Ай бұрын
It is real gp2
@georgesantana3888
Ай бұрын
He wasn't lying
@loboradioativo4497
9 күн бұрын
"the engine feels good. Much slower than before... Amazing!"
@georgesantana3888
8 күн бұрын
@@loboradioativo4497 what's crazy is that in a turn of Fate, he will be using this engine again in 2026. Hopefully this time it doesn't get screwed up like in 2015.
@kentaoji939
Ай бұрын
Big respect for Honda from developing GP2 Engine (2015-2017) into Powerful Engine (2019-Now).
@ThaDutchDK1989
Ай бұрын
Lol .they quited cause they couldn’t take any criticism anymore with all the gp2 engine remarks and breaking down on parade lap 😂🤣 brands like Renault / Ferrari get all the hate eventough they push on even if the going gets tough . The Japanese always leave ( look at Toyota and Honda) sore losers
@ALPHABYTE1994
Ай бұрын
2021-now *
@jackbenny5108
Ай бұрын
@@ThaDutchDK1989 Still, credits where its due. But hear hear, Renault will quit for being engine manufacturer. Same for Alfa Romeo, BMW, Cosworth, Ford, Jaguar, Lamborghini. Are they also sore loosers?
@Denhalen79
Ай бұрын
@@ThaDutchDK1989 Toyota pulled out of the sport due to having invested so much money and never a win. In Honda's case, in 2008 they pulled out because of the financial crisis. While in the case of McLaren, they believed that Honda would be there from day 1. While Honda had to play catch up. McLaren switched to Renault in 2018 and didn't do much better in that year. Red Bull took a leap of faith and believed in Honda's progress and opted to test there engines out for the sister team Torro Rosso. Although Not a great succes at first, they stayed with the brand and it resulted in a championship with the brand and later 2 more with a rebranded version. Honda did what they were set out to do. But the combo McLaren-Honda ended way too soon. But it was also due to McLaren not being the best team.
@Lucky_zeven
Ай бұрын
Wake up they where allowed to copy the AMG engine. Its why F1 sucks these days. !
@joe_3105
Ай бұрын
Many people fail to understand why the McLaren-Honda partnership from 2015 to 2017 was a huge failure, especially considering their dominance in the 80s. The primary reason for this failure was that McLaren did not contribute to Honda's power unit development. Honda had to rely solely on their engineers, which led to an "experimental" setup for the engine. The Honda RAH615H engine failed because Honda developed the engine without essential data. In contrast, the partnership with Red Bull was successful because Red Bull allowed Honda to work closely with them.
@yanikdavid3708
Ай бұрын
This, people fail to realise the mclaren were a big part of why the McLaren honda partnership failed
@karussoul
Ай бұрын
McLaren: We build a chassis, you build an engine for it Red Bull: You build an engine, we build the chassis for it McLaren were still shit in 2018, they were the bigger problem than Honda ever were.
@Celciusify
Ай бұрын
Mclaren gave Honda a set of parameters for the engine, and then expected to get a good working engine. Yes, the engine was shit, but it wasn't because they where bad at their job, they simply had a client that expected something impossible. The major issue was the size restrictions they gave Honda, Mclaren wanted a size zero engine at a time when engines blew up left and right despite being some of the biggest engines F1 had seen. Honda had to squeeze it into such a small area that they where forced to use a turbo small enough to fit inside the V. Meanwhile Mercedes used a compressor that was bigger than on their truck engines. And when Honda finally had enough and dared to ask their Jet engine department for help with the turbo, they where told the temperatures they dealt with was higher than inside the compressor stage of a jet engine... Then they finally changed the turbo concept.
@groundhabit6408
Ай бұрын
This wasn’t the cause … the cause is wanting a size zero concept in a short period of time … Honda told them it’s possible but would need time and the ceo at the time wasn’t having it. He wanted the unit as fast as possible which caused failures often. When Honda joined RB , they developed the engine alone and keep their IP close to them … the difference is RB told them take as much time as possible and to not rush it. The engine sitting in the back of the RB now is the size zero concept 2.0 that’s been perfected due to allowing Honda time to test things out. Honda never shared its IP with anyone it works with. The notion that it was because Mclaren didn’t get involved is false , the issue was persistence and unrealistic time frames.
@joe_3105
Ай бұрын
@@groundhabit6408 There is a difference in approach between McLaren and Red Bull regarding their power unit integration. McLaren prioritized cramming a power unit built with ridiculous size constraints into its chassis, while Red Bull granted Honda the freedom to design the power unit and subsequently adapted its chassis to house it. Honda simply couldn't build a PU with a set of parameters given by McLaren.
@CertifiedIndustryProfessional
Ай бұрын
Also worth noting the Mercedes is running a longer gear ratio here, it’s maintaining the same acceleration or better with longer gears, very serious difference in power is visible
@godsinbox
Ай бұрын
yes, people fail to remember that gear ratios are set at the start of the season, no mulligans if you get it wrong.
@jamesyang4077
Ай бұрын
Mclaren forced Honda to enter in 2015 when the origional deal was in fact 2016. After Honda joined, they just forced Honda to adapt McLaren’s chassis design when in fact it was a faulty design. The chief engineer for the car at the time was fired in 2018 when the chassis was so bad even in Renault engines. On the other hand, Honda revived with Toro Rosso and RedBull in 2018 with Pierre Gasly’s P4 finish in Bahrain.
@grahamlife2497
Ай бұрын
he changed the song
@DaimonF1
Ай бұрын
Old - best
@FormulaAnything
Ай бұрын
Nope. It's the same of one of the songs he often uses, but a different part of it
@ScatterVolt
Ай бұрын
You should cover Alonso's fastest lap (DHL fastest lap award) around Hungary 2017 with that same car and engine
@L0rpSurvivalHorror
Ай бұрын
Wasn't that also the lap where Alonso went full throttle through Pouhon, which confused the ERS system?
@razinroslan1473
Ай бұрын
Yes it was, and a big shame since he probably would've went into Q3 without that confusion.
@nbain66
Ай бұрын
I've always wanted the clip of that but could never find it.
@anoopbains1665
Ай бұрын
great job from vandoorne , what a perfect slip stream
@RealRohanKumar
Ай бұрын
Bringback the old music...
@aeroron
Ай бұрын
This channel is 🔥. This is one of literally only a handful of channels I watch at normal playback speed. Post as much as you like. I’ll watch it. Your data analysis is so freaking cool. My favorite is the Verstappen breakdown of his supernatural stint in Miami that I felt like no one talked about! That was frustrating. hahaha I tend to pull for Hamilton and Yuki but I am awestruck by Max’s race craft. Newsflash: it’s not just the car. Sincerely, Education Scientist with a background in Math and Aerospace Engineering who secretly dreams of being an Aerodynamics engineer for an F1 team who secretly wants to be an F1 driver or Super Formula OR! a driver in the old CART series! Yeah that would be cool too. Anyway just wasting 15 minutes on KZitem at your comments expense. Seriously, dope channel. Much respect.
@vamositalia4600
Ай бұрын
Well Fernando can always say he was the first to do Pouhon flat out😉, having a much less powerful engine at least made him achieve something😁 on that weekend in 2017. And actually the 2016 Mclaren Honda wasn't that bad to be honest, the engine wasn't a disaster like in 2015 and 2017.
@20ege008
Ай бұрын
In 2016 it was slow af too, just a little more reliable than before
@vamositalia4600
Ай бұрын
@@20ege008It was slow but not as slow as 2015 and 2017, In 2016 I checked because I didn't know if I remember correctly but Fernando did the fastest lap in the race at Monza, for sure it was with DRS and a massive slipstream but still you can't do that in that track with a terrible engine, in 2016 it was a decent engine while in 2015 and 2017 it was embarrassing.
@diegor8111
Ай бұрын
In fact there were rumours at the beggining of the 2017 season that after the concept change the 2017 engine was even less powerful than the 2016 one.
@PinkHeadRadioFloyd
Ай бұрын
Imagine Alonso with the Mercedes
@joshimura1995
Ай бұрын
The real hero of the Honda story in this era, besides the engineers never giving up at Sakura, is Toro Rosso. Franz Tost who was the TP at the time took a big risk and basically gave Honda the task to try things every weekend regardless if it results in penalties. They also developed the car for the Honda engine, not like McLaren who demanded a size Zero concept and what not. Honda found the Sorcerer's Stone really early in the season and from that on the rest is history.
@TheUKNutter
Ай бұрын
I love how the left video plays only in the left ear and the right video plays in the right ear. Nice touch.
@RobertoFornaro
Ай бұрын
"The engine feels good... much slower than before"
@GoianoAmazonia
Ай бұрын
Amazing
@RS-hd2ks
Ай бұрын
He had a mclaren mercedes- same as Lewis- he had a melt down and he was bested by the rookie many times.
@hhhhhh-vi6sq
19 күн бұрын
@@RS-hd2ks the quote comes from 2017 spain, back when lewis was in merc, but teamLH will never miss an opportunity to spread blatant misinformation
@pepefuentesf1
Ай бұрын
Vandoorne`s tow was actually perfect
@ahmadeus8427
Ай бұрын
This guy already in Spa when race weekend not even start in Hungaroring 😂
@vectro4284
Ай бұрын
Uhh.. 🤨
@86daniel
Ай бұрын
Thank you for making good use of the background music, it reminds me of browsing through my garage in Gran Turismo. Excellent data and explanations, differences that seemed subtle before are so much more distinct now.
@krauzer7
Ай бұрын
"Equal engines for everyone"
@adityairawan1843
Ай бұрын
"And not Honda."
@Srga91
Ай бұрын
The Honda engine wasn't the only issue holding McLaren back, their arrogance regarding their own chassis & aero was another big factor ("We have one of the best chassis in the field."). They realized that a year later, when they ran the Renault PU and were miles off Red Bull with the same PU. The McLaren was a very draggy car (also in 2018), as the former Red Bull engineers who switched to McLaren believed in the "Newey-way", meaning they sacrificed everything for downforce. This would backfire at a track like Spa, which demands efficient downforce. Mercedes, on the other hand, not only had a very potent PU, but also created the most efficient downforce (partly due to their low-rake design). Spa highlights the strengths an weaknesses of a car like no other circuit can, as it demands downforce for the long corners in the middle sector, as well as straightline speed in the other two sectors.
@AlexTheBird1
Ай бұрын
Idk where you live but thank you for always uploading at times my Australian ass can watch
@israeljoao5532
Ай бұрын
In addition to the weaker engine, McLaren had a super drag and therefore did not perform well on the straights, probably if they had a cleaner concept, they would be faster on the straights
@querty292
Ай бұрын
Just a few years in and it’s already insane to see these cars without halo
@jahshjahsh2002
Ай бұрын
Alonso moves from the teams who are about to produce a dominant car. The other guy is extremely lucky to be financed and supported by Mclaren since early childhood. Also the fact that he was proven to win 2008 championship by cheating and THE FIA admitted covering up also makes him lucky.
@gauravmalltarlok5354
Ай бұрын
The other guy didn't do anything to cheat and the FIA haven't admitted shit. Even if they did admit, which is highly unlikely since those flimsy conspiracy claims are based on Bernie's words, a guy who keeps changing opinions every three months, Lewis did absolutely nothing wrong. And he wasn't lucky to be financed by McLaren. He proved his skill and was considered a huge talent to be part of the McLaren driver program.
@carlosdembilioocio2202
Ай бұрын
I think also in 2017 the McLaren had the problem of the drag, because in 2016 the speed on the straights was not bad compare to the Ferrari, Renault or Mercedes engines.
@jasepaul91
Ай бұрын
What you're missing out of the video is that Honda's struggles with performance masked how draggy McLaren's car was and that the wind tunnel data wasn't correlating with what was happening on track. When they switched to Renault engines in 2018, that's when they realised the issue was infact the car and not the engine
@josesergio6648
Ай бұрын
@f1. Essa é a melhor câmera de transmissão
@Groggers96
Ай бұрын
Intresting that Alonso had to dab the brakes as well through eau rouge/radillion, dirty air probably played a part but still...
@kwl189
Ай бұрын
McLaren and Ron Dennis were the reason Honda took as long as it did to get up to speed but their proficiency told in the end without question.
@santos4004
Ай бұрын
The 2015 honda PU (RA615H) is just disgraceful, they make the engine as simple and small as possible even decided not to use the equal length downpipe but instead use log downpipe to spin the turbo that obviously can lower the engine perfomance but theh still use this completely radical concept when the other teams use equal length, they also simplified the intake plenum, all this with the intention to have smaller engine packaging in order for the car to have slimmer and smaller body allowing the aero department to make the car more aerodynamic but in the end it turns out to be a stupid choice, not only the car is down on power but the aero is also awful, a complete disaster for mclaren and honda.
@Slitch-nl1
Ай бұрын
Didnt they also have a different kind of split turbo?
@nbain66
Ай бұрын
Mercedes used a log exhaust in 2014 and that's the only engine they had data on since McLaren used it immediately before their partnership.
@anoopbains1665
Ай бұрын
honda were wrongly blamed . Mclaren was slow with merc engine as well
@tombardsley3081
Ай бұрын
Renault first but now they're good with mercedes engines
@de1623
Ай бұрын
Best car ever, 2014-2021.....
@kolpos-v5s
Ай бұрын
Mercedes 2017 engine was the best in hybrid era along with 2019 ferrari and mercedes again in the 2nd half of 2021.
@Fredrick656
Ай бұрын
Wdym Ferrari? They were caught blatantly cheating due to bypassing the fuel flow meter. Crazy how they settled things quietly behind closed doors.
@omerosman1280
Ай бұрын
@@Fredrick656 proof?
@ALPHABYTE1994
Ай бұрын
@@omerosman1280there were cheating
@ALPHABYTE1994
Ай бұрын
@@omerosman1280proof? 2020 season
@ALPHABYTE1994
Ай бұрын
Mercedes in 2021 had the same Engine, but driven in other mode. Faster, but lasted only 3 races
@ab8jeh
Ай бұрын
Alonso's career decisions are legendary
@defnotatroll
Ай бұрын
Interesting seeing the green LEDs being part of the shift lights on hamilton's car. You don't see that these days afaik
@Ho3n3r
Ай бұрын
Crazy that the same engine manufacturer would go on a 3 championship win run a mere 4 years later.
@tombardsley3081
Ай бұрын
Helps when the team works with the engine supplier in tandem Vs developing the car and engine separately and not communicating. As shown by what happened in 2018, McLaren were the issue as they were still the slowest car in a straight line with Renault engines
@irwanlaksmono9421
Ай бұрын
There were 3 parties here. McLaren, won some races. Honda, won some championships. And Alonso, ...........
@Zeyad54yearsago
Ай бұрын
@@irwanlaksmono9421 The unluckiest driver
@tombardsley3081
Ай бұрын
@@Zeyad54yearsago or made himself a toxic nuisance to the detriment of the team
@ricardoinacio
Ай бұрын
Can't remember which race but there's a quali lap in gp2 better than Honda at the time, was surreal!
@Bahamuttiamat
Ай бұрын
If the acceleration wasn't much difference between 150-250km/h, then it'd be fair to conclude a drag penalty rather than pure horsepower. Obviously, mercedes were more power but drag plays a much larger role in vmax than pure hp. Worth noting that mercedes ran low raked long wheel base compared to mclaren which had the high rake.
@AnasEmad1998
Ай бұрын
in s3 honda engine clipped the engineers said that alonso took the corner flat and they didn’t expect that so the engine electricy power wasn’t planned to do that
@NionityGaming
Ай бұрын
Honda needed some time to develope their engine. Once they came to a place wich was acceptable in 2019-2020 it took off and they got in 2021 their first title with RedBull
@georgesantana3888
Ай бұрын
So Alonso wasn't lying or exaggerating all those years ago, damn.
@user-ux3jk8cd6z
Ай бұрын
The music track is 🔥
@Thijs99
Ай бұрын
The min corner speed in la source is also huge (+/-12 km/h)!
@mehmetpolat7718
Ай бұрын
"we have one of the best chassis" - mckaren 2017
@Miragexe
Ай бұрын
''65 place grid penalty anyways'' bruh.
@BrkCntkn
Ай бұрын
Stoffel with 65 place grid penalty, nowadays you can't get that even in F1 games
@videshanamali5335
Ай бұрын
Don't understand why haven't seen the tow being used much by teams recently
@user-ri9dn4vi6i
Ай бұрын
It's less effective than before. The 2022 regulations and even more so the upcoming 2026 regulations reduce the amount of downforce loss (and thus slipstream) when chasing another car which makes it easier to follow. This results in more close battles as the cars behind don't have to worry about a major loss of downforce in corners so they don't have to back out but that comes at the expense of less slipstream on the straights which is why DRS is used.
@vardengutierrez108
Ай бұрын
I still think that the 2017 McLaren with a proper engine, could’ve been a championship contender.
@adamn7125
Ай бұрын
Please compare this footage of Alonso the the GP2 polesitter of the same year
@MuhammadNiz007
Ай бұрын
Context would help a lot here This was tbe race with a completely different engine concept for McLaren and they thought they had unlocked something
@ben6993
Ай бұрын
It wasn’t Hondas fault. McLaren weren’t working with them, they were essentially designing the car then giving it to Honda and Honda had to work with it. Communication wasn’t great between the 2
@totalmadnesman
Ай бұрын
I like the new song more than the old one!
@FranciscoFJM
Ай бұрын
Honda needed atleast 1 more year to have their engine ready. Im guessing things were rushed for 2015 because Fernando was joining the team, so the suits at McLaren needed it for yesterday
@GeometryEX-hp9zs
Ай бұрын
Since F1 racing is a race on a comprehensive track. Cornering performance and straight-line performance are actually different. In terms of intuitive data, Honda, Mercedes, and Ferrari power units are essentially similar in horsepower. This closeness is normal due to the various restrictions of technical rules. However, Red Bull's monopoly in 2022-2023 is not due to the power unit advantage, but because they can get more cornering grip. It is actually not easy to get downforce in the Venturi tunnel. This is a rumor that has been circulating wildly in recent years. Honda has a more powerful engine. In fact, it is not. The comprehensive performance of F1 racing needs to be comprehensively judged by combining downforce data and the cornering speed of the racing car. Simply put, when the driver can push the car to the limit, he can get a greater cornering speed, provided that the car cannot slip. And downforce is needed in the corners. The implementation of this ground effect causes most of the downforce of the racing car to act under the chassis. And it is actually not easy to find the correct ground clearance here. The principle of this aerodynamics is to form a vortex under the chassis through airflow, thereby creating a low-pressure area. The degree of downforce is proportional to the ground clearance of the chassis. The reason for the change in 2024 is that McLaren, Mercedes, and Ferrari, after many failures, began to solve the problem, and solved the most important problem of dolphin jump. This also reduced Red Bull's aerodynamic advantage rapidly. The overall performance of the current car should be higher than that of McLaren. McLaren has lower tire loss than Red Bull, and they are exhausted later, but McLaren has strategic errors. Mercedes and Ferrari have solved some problems, although both teams are not stable enough. But this does not mean that Honda has the most powerful power unit. These are two different things. I hate those radical supporters of Red Bull. They don't understand aerodynamics, they don't understand the technical regulations of the FIA, they are very obsessed with fantasy and very aggressive.
@keitv4519
Ай бұрын
F1 yapper
@ArtyI
Ай бұрын
Aah, back in the old days where cars could get light years of grid penalties
@epygames
Ай бұрын
No one mentioning stoffels 65 place grid penalty ⁉️
@seanbaptista2988
Ай бұрын
65 place grid penalty? Didn't know that was a thing
@FormulaOneFan98
Ай бұрын
Apparently was Alonso was running such high downforce he could take Pouhon flat out
@xMel21x
Ай бұрын
The chasis of that McLaren was really good. But the engine was too underwhelming.
@Kessoku
Ай бұрын
Alonso isn't wrong tho
@user-ui3cs9dp5k
Ай бұрын
he never was. the media and all always massively overblew his temper. probably due to his villainous eyebrows
@yellow_x522
Ай бұрын
In hindsight, McLaren and Honda splitting up was actually the best decision for both parties.
@ShionShinigami
Ай бұрын
You guys sure that Alonso went flat through Pouhon? I mean he even tipped the brakes in Eau Rouge...
@theschnurrbart2260
Ай бұрын
titel put a grin on my face
@ShimmyX
Ай бұрын
I'm hoping it doesn't suck for Aston Martin
@user-bw8ny3qg7i
Ай бұрын
It would be nice to add a countdown timer to each pause scene. 每次画面暂停的时候给个倒计时就好了。
@DontForgetOldKolobok
Ай бұрын
Such is life, driving a Honda
@Daniajax
Ай бұрын
We really lost 3 years of Fernando Alonso’s career with these Honda engines.. thanks Honda.
@pisderata
Ай бұрын
4 😭 + 2 retired + bad looks so another 2 on Alpine and then Aston, people wonder why he hasn't won in a decade...
@karussoul
Ай бұрын
Honda were shit because of McLaren.
@BansheeRiderNL
Ай бұрын
Wasn't Honda 's fault at all. They had to build a very small engine for McLaren's zero size concept.
@dragonkrieg4444
Ай бұрын
kinda crazy when you look at 2 years later the Ferrari made Mercedes look like they were standing still
@malopthemapper
Ай бұрын
Bring back the old song
@Zombiez101
Ай бұрын
Tht gp2 engine is dominating now
@pA-yy-A
Ай бұрын
aero, look at toro rosso/RB, still shite
@user-ri9dn4vi6i
Ай бұрын
@@pA-yy-A the Red Bull Honda engine is on par with the Mercedes engine currently if not slightly better, it got massive upgrades and financial support from Honda and Red Bull is less restrictive than Mclaren when it comes to aero.
@jclafi
Ай бұрын
Alonso was right, it was a GP2 engine !
@AlphaAssasinYT
Ай бұрын
This was the same merc engine that outspeed vettel's ferrari with DRS and slipstream in this same race lmao
@wololo10
Ай бұрын
you dont need to freeze the video for so much time when theres something to read, we can pause it
@shadowduds
Ай бұрын
It still confuses me why Alonso stood in McLaren for so long
@sergioferrero46
Ай бұрын
It's amazing how a powerful engine allows you to use a more loaded aero setup. Even with a ton more of downforce, the Mercedes was significantly faster on the straights
@MrReese
Ай бұрын
1:11 I think you are making a bit of a mistake here, Hamilton's lowest corner speed was 79 while Alonso's was 68, so that's already a huge difference at the corner exit. No wonder Alonso cannot keep up with Hamilton when he carries a lot less speed through the corner.
@IAmLeutrimTopalli
Ай бұрын
From my understanding, McLaren wasn’t very helpful in the design of the engine as they wanted a very slim engine to fit under their cover and didn’t really work close with Honda or listen to them
@FRFM00
Ай бұрын
@yelistener did this comparison comfort you softly after Lewis brought you smack down back to reality at Silverstone?
@amirdgucci
Ай бұрын
Someone triggered he couldn't beat the engine merchant allegations 😹
@FranciscoFJM
Ай бұрын
Rent free
@rzaultra165
Ай бұрын
but still it's a special machine, other manufacturers wouldn't possibly want to work like that, but Honda is capable, even though the performance isn't good, but it's a special machine, created with a very different design from other machines, created from the lowest point and not appreciated, just told to work without talking..
@bizarroeddie1
Ай бұрын
then they switched to Renault, things didn't got that much better and they found out it was not only the engine. Their chassis was also draggy as hell.
@f.r.y5857
Ай бұрын
McLaren should've rebuild the whole chassis so the honda engine could fit in that car, but they didn't.
@f1tmghostofsparta
Ай бұрын
Mclaren now has the fastest car without Honda 😂😂
@Shadowed007
Ай бұрын
Still missing out on Honda works deal is a massively wasted opportunity, they threw away $100 million a year and free engines
@lightshunshine3861
Ай бұрын
but last GP mclaren get beaten redbull also in their homeland race , LMAO
@Vishnu-B
Ай бұрын
And Honda has the best engine without McLaren 😂😂
@masterkamen371
Ай бұрын
Now if only Lando and the strategists weren't such amateurs.
@godsinbox
Ай бұрын
@@Vishnu-B Ricciardo didnt think that would be the case, and neither did you if you are honest. No one predicted Honda would be good either time in the last 10 years.
@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
Ай бұрын
McLaren didn’t help Honda with their size zero concept insistence but to see where Honda got to eventually considering where they were is truly remarkable but speaks to the hard work they did McLaren gave RB an open invite to a works deals that they were craving for by being inflexible with PU layout and cooling requirements as a result
@5tuartGuy
Ай бұрын
now Merc aren't dominating, lets bring back the party modes, maximum power for everyone
@Jejking
Ай бұрын
Here McLaren barely made a dent in Merc, with tow and max power, as opposed to 'not max power'. And at the end of quali Alonso was STILL 2.1 seconds slower than Hamilton. Best sector times: 0.5s, 1.3s behind, 0.8s behind. DAYUM. Merc OP 👀
@NagoyaRR
Ай бұрын
Kinda wish engines would just be the same because it would make everything closer
@sam-nariman6236
Ай бұрын
Engines nowadays are very close but wouldn't that be boring in engineering perspective? F1 is constructors' competition as much as drivers'.
@nuztuz903
Ай бұрын
@@sam-nariman6236 you say that but engine development is currently frozen and they run spec wings from the fia. any outside of the box thinking (DAS, F duct, Flexi wing) is quickly banned by teams because they don't want to play catch up. teams don't really have the freedom to make a car 100% the way they want
@ALPHABYTE1994
Ай бұрын
It would not be F1 then.
@user-ri9dn4vi6i
Ай бұрын
@@nuztuz903 It's not about playing catch up but for financial reasons. With the cost cap, there is only so much you can spend so big investments like a DAS would be annoying. The smaller teams also wouldn't have the capability to reproduce such a system so the gap becomes too large between the teams.
@Narcisobijec
Ай бұрын
Honda chose the wrong engine solution (supercharger placement) and given that the rules at the time restricted engine development a lot, it couldn't work quickly. Changes could only be slow. Honda had no experience, the engines didn't work, Mclaren couldn't test because the show was just changing an engine that had very poor performance. I would like to point out that Honda ended up making an even smaller engine than they had with the Mclaren, but not until 2020/2021. There was no problem with the size. They just couldn't do it in the beginning and had to learn it. Honda already knew in the first year that their engine was bad, but thanks to the chips, it was only possible to fix it and change it in 2017. There, for a change, there was a big problem with the MGUH shaft (they copied the Mercedes style) and they were only able to fix it in 2018, where they were at Renault's level of performance. The improvement came gradually only in 2019 when there was a rapid development, still they had to use more engines to have enough power. Less mileage allowed them to use more power and develop quickly at the same time. Honda entered F1 unprepared (Ron Dennis talked them into coming a year early) and that's why it started so badly and it took 4 years to get it back together. It wasn't McLaren's fault...
@rzaultra165
Ай бұрын
If it wasn't McLaren's fault then they wouldn't need to overhaul the team, they would just need to replace the engine. What is clear is that they are only there to serve, they are not allowed to talk, and they are not allowed to participate in designing the placement of the engine in the chassis. At first they didn't make the F1 engine similar to other engines, because of McLaren's request, which wanted a different engine.
@robbie19143
Ай бұрын
I’m sorry but did they say Stoffel had a _65_ place grid penalty?
@formula1fanclub
Ай бұрын
Why Alonso braked in the eau rouige while flat?
@yujung8496
Ай бұрын
Slipstream
@phuctran6619
Ай бұрын
Just hoping that we won't see this again in 2-3 more years
Ай бұрын
Why 65 place grid penalty for Vandoorne? 2:34
@vern86
Ай бұрын
McLaren was slow because they lacked aero efficiency and had high drag troughout 2015-2017. The Honda engine shape didn’t suit well McLaren chassis so they had to make some sacrifice to the aero.
@PG-20
Ай бұрын
McHonda walked so Red Bull can fly
@Mr.JimPickens
Ай бұрын
ARGH!
@f1experience533
Ай бұрын
where did you get the speedometer for such old videos ?
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