Since I’m getting repeat comments on the matter: Yes I tried “kill stealing” at 1:30. My stance on kill stealing at top-tier is as follows: Kill stealing is just a part of top-tier. That is the nature of point and click missile combat. It happens to me, it happens to you, and we know all too well 90% of our teammates would’ve done the same thing if they were me. I’m not going to miss out on neuron activation from the funny sound after getting a kill because I’m worried about being the “honorable” teammate when the overwhelming majority aren’t anymore anyway. Aside from that, in this very clip you can see the target shoot a missile while he’s on fire, allegedly “dead“ if somebody can still shoot missiles at your teammates, they’re still a threat to the team. In non-missile combat kill stealing is much more frustrating, and I refrain from doing it. The kills take more effort, skill, work, time, etc. and the threat of a severely damaged enemy to your team is much lower when they don’t have 30G all aspect missiles. Robbing someone the satisfaction of a kill that they put way more work into after a dogfight than they do at top-tier when the target isn’t even a threat is much more understandable to me. But in top tier, everybody steals, the targets are still threats until they’re dead, and less goes into actually getting the kills - since the only “skill” that goes into getting the kills is determining whether or not they are paying attention to you.
@qrtze
8 ай бұрын
People complain about kill steal but in reality we all do, maybe not often but we do
@Hamidikin
8 ай бұрын
just be better than them, go honorable and lead by example
@henne5348
8 ай бұрын
@@qrtze i don't, never have (at least not on purpose) and never will
@arcroyal1258
8 ай бұрын
Exactly, any enemy still alive can be a threat.
@isaaclouis4074
8 ай бұрын
After you hear the ping doesn’t mean they’re fully dead… they can’t still fire missiles
@IowanLawman
8 ай бұрын
It was on sale for 35 bucks a couple weeks ago. And I did not even bother thinking about it and bought it. Grinded the Flanker, Fulcrums and Eagle with the remaining premium time in 14 days. One of the best purchase I've made in 10 years of playing the game.
@zahnatom
8 ай бұрын
its insane. you can easily go above 3:1 kd for me, using only ACM mode in MTI with the R-24R works the best
@sneakytom7416
8 ай бұрын
Good lord i’ve been struggling with this jet ever since I bought it from new year sale. Thanks for the advice, will try it later.
@MZIH
8 ай бұрын
I have MLA version in the German tree since the start of December. You can’t get anything done as you will always face 18 enemies all lobbing irccm missiles at you.
@iimasheriiol222
8 ай бұрын
@@MZIHso cap man you can get 2 kills easy with the radar missiles
@judgemental9253
8 ай бұрын
@@sneakytom7416I can confirm, living in ACM MTI with r24rs is a red carpet to a 3.0 kd
@sneakytom7416
8 ай бұрын
@@judgemental9253 i can confirm it as well, tested it today and it works like heaven.
@Cardinal8427
8 ай бұрын
Wait we're getting 12.7? I thought Gaijin said they weren't gonna increase the BR cap. That's awesome news!
@FXIIBeaver
8 ай бұрын
AMRAAMs soon.
@neuroleptic2563
7 ай бұрын
You already have a couple of MiG 29's at 12.7
@blessthismessss
8 ай бұрын
as someone who's flown the MiG-23M for pvp since it got added, the MiG-23ML and even the 23M are honestly really decent. you never ever see it happen in top tier air rb, especially with how your average player in the ML is, but the Flogger airframe if flown properly with wings out and taking proper lines can rinse the hell out of things like Viggens, F-5E/Cs, J35Ds in a 1v1 and absolutely distroys similar airframes like the Phantom. in some cases i would even go so far as to say it could face up against a Mirage 2K 1v1 if you made absolutely no mistakes
@SteelxWolf
8 ай бұрын
When the 14A came out I started to preset the sweep all the way out. So with the press of a button I can pull harder than tomcats and out maneuver them for a few passes. You have to know the speed though otherwise you’ll force a wing rip instead of an overshoot lmao
@rxzxqx6982
8 ай бұрын
mig 23 are great plane, except the gun obviously 😂
@cookiecraze1310
8 ай бұрын
@@SteelxWolfI also do that, I wish there was a way to start a match with 0% preset without needing to do it manually. It is amazing in a dogfight but the need to get your wings out before you start fighting means that in fights where you aren't the first to engage you're screwed.
@blessthismessss
8 ай бұрын
@@SteelxWolf funny enough, if you mirror this IN the tomcat yourself, you either rip your wings up or you get nasty, NASTY tight turns and devilish results in a dogfight, especially if you go balls to the wall and put flaps out- as the tomcat can leave takeoff flaps out almost up to 850kph IAS, but those obv drain that speed very fast personally i prefer to stay in manual the whole time, but i dont play air RB regularly anymore and mainly just go around doing small scale or 1v1 combat in custom battles as i can find it
@jojomaster7675
8 ай бұрын
I recently got the MiG-23MLA and imo it's barely playable. Not because it's a bad plane, but simply because 12.3 exists. Both the planes and the pilots just make your life hell in the 23, since everyone clumps together in the center of the map into one big furball that you can't even get close to without having several IRCCM missiles launched at you. The few times (few as in like 1 in every 10 games) I've gotten 12.0 it did surprisingly well. Honestly looking forward to playing it again once 11.3 is cleansed of AIM9Ms and R73s.
@pestomystic
8 ай бұрын
MiG-23ML owner here, used it to finish the grind that the Su-25K couldn't. Ended up working pretty well. Second best MiG-23 behind the MLD. I'm pretty alert with my situational awareness, but im not gonna lie, I've caught a lot of R-24R's and T's as I've been grinding the Chinese lines, its the only thing I go hard after if I see it.
@itzkiwiz9021
8 ай бұрын
where have you been in my 2k hours of War Thunder? i had no idea that some aircraft couldn't detect your radar if it was in a certain band until the algorithm showed me in this vid. You definitely deserve my sub and like; this helped me out when I thought I already knew everything about top tier ARB
@eiteiei4063
8 ай бұрын
It's been a thing only after the recent RWR reworks that came two patches ago
@namelesscrow9351
8 ай бұрын
Got my first 8k game with this thing, used Ts at the start then Rs when the enemy team dwindled, it's surprisingly balanced and fun to fly and fight against.. Unlike some.
@hughmungus2295
8 ай бұрын
Fun fact at close ranges like 5km or about 8km the r24 is on par with r27er the booster of the r24R is 50000kn and 27er is 53000kn same burn time so you really just get less turning 27er for whole 1.0 br
@JSDFEnthusiast
8 ай бұрын
I'm actually surprised how well the radar does at low altitude, I've been slammed by R24s at near tree top level and they just stick on me rather than dropping to the dirt
@ultimatechad8738
8 ай бұрын
MTI is actually pretty good it's better to make it face the ground by putting your nose to that direction instead of just flying at tree top
@nikelon8227
8 ай бұрын
He's using a combination of radar and IR tracking system along the video so it's not just radar alone also there're different R24s. There's R24R which is radar guided and still hits the ground if you're close to it and R24T which is IR guided so you can fly low all you want but it won't save you but flares can help with that one.
@lazarusmagellan2367
8 ай бұрын
Just like irl
@Aidan-fw1xr
8 ай бұрын
Because it’s Russian. Any western radar guided immediately loses lock and explodes off the rail. Sparrows are way too underperforming.
@JSDFEnthusiast
8 ай бұрын
@@nikelon8227 I meant R24R's as I was talking about radar performance, and I meant in general with my experience fighting MiG-23ML's. Yeah Seek is using a combo and it works well, but just straight radar and R24R I've been killed a handful of times at treetop when it should lost to ground clutter.
@jester2k2
8 ай бұрын
Bought this in the most recent Christmas sale, and it's been easily the best purchase I've made as far as premiums go. I started from pretty much nothing in the soviet tech tree to having the su27 in two weeks, and I definitely could've gotten it sooner if I had more time to grind. I've hovered around a 2kd in this thing, and I'm an average to maybe slightly above average pilot. Can't recommend enough to those who have experience in top tier.
@strategosopsikion8576
8 ай бұрын
I bought it on sale recently too. I agree completely. This thing is insanely good. I don’t even struggle at 12.3. The R24Rs are simply incredible. Practically guaranteed kills with those things.
@KaguyasBeat
8 ай бұрын
Indeed. I got it and 341 games later I got the Su-27. I was at rank 3 starting research into Rank 4 when I got it lol. Took about 2 weeks. Depending on how much was played each day.
@artraudgaming3575
8 ай бұрын
SO FAST????
@piscessoedroen
8 ай бұрын
i got free talisman on the older brother mig-23m a long time ago when ussr basically has the worst toptier even against minor nations. decided to use it for flanker grind because if im going to die early every game i might as well fly out the plane that i used to love despite all its shit characteristic. unlocked Su-27 in 3 days of normal people gaming session with mostly 1 kill games. yeah i guess the flogger family are just awesome like that
@goooooller9353
8 ай бұрын
I love using IRST with the R24Ts i just wish the IRST fov was larger. It can struggle against maneuvering targets.
@feenix1188
8 ай бұрын
Great vid as usual. One thing I didn't hear mentioned is that the missiles are just so much better than NATO counterparts at equal BR. Having ground the Swedish and Japanese tech trees, the number of times I've died to head-on R60s at point blank where I wouldn't have been able get an equal shot off with AIM-9Ls/RB-74s is the most frustrating part of fighting against MiGs. That and how well the radar works at treetop level, no chance I can get as reliable of a lock in the F-16AJ or Viggens.
@KaguyasBeat
8 ай бұрын
Yea the 9L has like a 1.8 second prox arming time now. Even before the nerf you definitely couldn't do with it what the R-60 can. R-60 arms and pulls basically immediately after firing. I've been on the receiving and delivering end for Japan and the Soviets.
@piscessoedroen
8 ай бұрын
the drawback of the r-60m now is that they actually chase flares if they see flares unlike aim-9l that sometimes just go sike and go back to their target
@Sumi_S
8 ай бұрын
You already know it’s a Russian game
@aceofthunder9868
8 ай бұрын
R24r is very reliable and its insanely good on the mig23ml since no one expects it and they just combust.
@theycallmetray396
8 ай бұрын
Everyone expects it, it’s the main threat of the aircraft
@elkrumb9159
8 ай бұрын
Everyone expects it lol
@gamermiles20
8 ай бұрын
everyone expects it and is unreliable at times
@vogavation
8 ай бұрын
I got the Su-27 yesterday which took about a month from rank 1 using the 23ML. If you can play top tier, it’s a breeze
@thomasadams7433
8 ай бұрын
Not sure if it still functions this way in WT specifically, but the SPO-10 RWR on this aircraft is technically 8 directional, a lock to the 12,3,6 or 9 o'clock should be illuminating the two corresponding sectors, e.g a 12 o'clock lock shoud be illumiating both front sectors of the RWR, from the 3 it should illuminate both right sectors etc. i recall it working this way before the RWR rework recently but i wouldn't be surprised if it was screwed up in one of the recent updates. Regardless, it's still subpar for maintaining situational awareness and should only be used to roughly locate potential threats, while the good old mk1 eyeball is better for launch detection.
@Klonnno
8 ай бұрын
I bought the mig 23 ML when it was released and also got one for my friend. We were both able to get top tier Russia with it and it was actually a pretty fun grind compared to most. We recently unlocked the gripen for Sweden as well, that tree was torture compared to using the 23 ML for Russia.
@ghostwinter3351
8 ай бұрын
Got the ML originally to grid the russian air tech tree, got it done, each single time you die will teach you to eventually get that death as a kill. Now I use this thing as a SL farmer due to the R24R being wtf levels of radar guided missiles, and R60M doing their job relatively fine, even if they aren't some top dog missile like a R73.
@jaek_898
8 ай бұрын
Proud to have always been an R-24R stan from day one 🙏
@stevenvaughn8431
8 ай бұрын
Man those R-24's are insane, i was on the dirt throwing chaff and the missile just ignores all of it and nails me
@aserkill6096
8 ай бұрын
yeah that's the MTI radar mode in a nutshell, MTI doesn't care about chaff
@VogxelFPV
8 ай бұрын
I was just watching this while eating not expecting to learn anything, simply listening to you yap (that's a compliment), when you dropped the absolute knowledge bomb of the J band radar. I think I noticed it when they first implemented the RWR changes but I completely forgot about it.
@warhawk4494
8 ай бұрын
Worst 70 dollar prem jet? F4EJ ADTW. It's the radar and missiles. Lol mainly the radar. If the damn thing had a better one like the F4S,F4j,or I could head on with sparrows at low altitudes but nope. I constantly die to head on attacks because everything has either all aspects infrared missiles or better radar and can shoot SAHR at me while I can't. Lol It can be frustrating but she has gotten me to the F15j,just got to finish its grind. GG
@xbynzi
8 ай бұрын
Yeah easily on of the worst high tier premiums but it also helped me research the entire Japanese air tree. But I also found that I really enjoyed flying it for some reason compared to the F16AJ and the F15J.
@jojomaster7675
8 ай бұрын
It's literally a downgraded F4E at the same br. Sad that not only is it the only premium option for a high tier japanesse jet, but the techtree counterpart is the only rank 7 Japan gets, so you literally have to play it.
@norske_ow3440
8 ай бұрын
@@jojomaster7675nah, you don’t have to. I grinded the ej-Kai with the F1 after about 20 matches in the tech tree ej. Even without flares it was much more survivable
@Liniyka
8 ай бұрын
JESUS that first missile launch at a burning plane.... just how desperate are you to get kills?
@SeekerHead
8 ай бұрын
It's top tier, I really dont care about kill stealing anymore. everybody does it and besides burning planes are still able to shoot lethal missiles at your teammtes.
@bonez4420
8 ай бұрын
@@SeekerHeadhate your logic lol. Kill stealing is foul 😂😂😂
@wapniak666
8 ай бұрын
@@bonez4420 there is no such thing as kill stealing, just bad game design that doesn't credit kills correctly Blame gajin not players
@bonez4420
8 ай бұрын
@@wapniak666 you kno im right 🤣🤣🤣. Cant blaim gaijin for player choices to kill a falling, wingless jet but each to their own ✈
@wapniak666
8 ай бұрын
@@bonez4420 no you are not and I'm not sure who else is to blame but gajin If kills were properly credited them you would never have a situation in which you set someone on fire he is falling down and you don't get a kill This is 100% gajin bad game design and is easily fixable
@jonasplett172
4 ай бұрын
R C *right bracket* 3 F *hold 8 for 5 seconds* That’s what I do on the runway each time I take off with my radar, missile selection and wing sweep preparing lol.
@House_of_Schmidt
8 ай бұрын
The Mig23ML's should probably all be 11.7 in the new BR setup.
@TheDougsSB
8 ай бұрын
yeah no, nah
@brightwolf_hun1848
8 ай бұрын
My dumbass who never touched a jet above 7.7 ever before, picked this up on sale. Since then, from about 4.7 battle rating, I now have the SU-27 in a few weeks, and my KD in 340ish matches is 254 deaths, 393 kills. A player who has no prior experience. Easy buy this thing is.
@tristandaries1129
8 ай бұрын
My only gripe is the RWR, since in Sim they realistically modelled that some American plane's radars don't set off your RWR at all, cannot tell you how many times I've been one shot by AIM-7Fs without any warning, literal horror game jumpscare
@lasse4416
7 ай бұрын
Best thing about m23 is that you face f4s premiums that are flying tanks. Fly low for the first sparrow and it is literally a free kill with no all aspect missiles 😁 you outturn and vastly outspeed them!
@Squeaky_Ben
8 ай бұрын
The one thing that makes the 23ML real good (in my eyes at least) is the R24T. Thing has good range and only 2 seconds where you get ANY warning that it is coming. After that, you need to get lucky with flaring it.
@keviin1314
6 ай бұрын
use irst some times ... its really stealth with R24T or R60M ^^
@nicholashritcu7236
6 ай бұрын
i have it & it was the best choice ive ever gotten, i like it beter than the F16 and the mig29smt.people dont know how to use the radar and how to keep speed at 1450 on ground. GSH is amazing gun. its an amazing radar if you know how to use it and have the keybinds. i have alot of matches in this thing and its insane. easy to avoid missiles, easy to kill.. Anything. AMAZING dogfighter. no need for the external tank bring the 12x large flares, R24Rs R60Ms full WEP until youve reached 25m of fuel then switch to half WEP with your scroll wheel for idealy the rest of the match. best jet ive ever touched. R24Rs are amazing, R60Ms are really good for easy killed only shoot at 1km or preferably below AND DO NOT ignore the IRST. One of the best IRST on any jet ive used, Once you use your radar missiles switch to IRST and use the beyond visual range to lock easily. (Make sure you use MTI always and beyond visual range frequently in close) Still amazing in uptier aswell. (If your good like meee.. HAVE WING KEYBINDS) one of the best jets in the game IMO
@ricardohumildebrabo
8 ай бұрын
Update from my post of 2 days ago. THIS THING IS WORTH IT! Btw, thanks @Seek for showcasing the optimal playstyle. I've been following it and it's great for me.
@gamer_kid_naz4942
8 ай бұрын
Can we talk about that last shot on that stationary MiG-23 and how he didn't die? I'd be pissed
@bad1971nova
7 ай бұрын
It's an awesome plane. I took a break back in 2020 after that stupid grind event and I just came back like 3 months ago and got this plane it is soo fast and I can get kill after kill. Although I dominated in the mig 17as This is wayyy better.
@LordGangrel
8 ай бұрын
Ah, that's what just happened then. The last opponent was a 23ML. Seemed competent, had 3 kills, but still didn't react after I fired at ~15km and ate a 530D
@themerc123
8 ай бұрын
This would explain why I’ve been dunked on by this plane so many times in the mig29
@Owlberightback
8 ай бұрын
Been getting a ton of launch warnings on the viggens as I grind for the Grippp. Can’t wait for the BR changes if they happen before I get the gripp because getting F-14, F-15, J-11, MiG-23, Su-27 radar locks and launches on me gets VERY annoying even if I’m on the deck and rarely get hit down there.
@arcroyal1258
8 ай бұрын
Crazy this is the same BR as the F-104s ASA
@iwyrilja
8 ай бұрын
4:45 the F-4S is kinda on this list because of how… below average and unaware 1/3 of the F-4S players are
@Boris_The_Turtle
8 ай бұрын
They flare dispensers looking like RAM sticks was my first thought when I first saw it lol.
@huyra8019
8 ай бұрын
I wish we could ditch the r60ms for some extra pilon space for like 1 or 2 r24s
@yizhu7709
8 ай бұрын
and yet you're seeing people run FULL BOMB LOADS on this plane, ridiculous
@cecil7891
7 ай бұрын
These things chase me down everytime i miss the headon with my f4junk 😢
@razzikah7483
8 ай бұрын
24T’s using search ir is nasty. Even makes the R60 a better missile using it💯💯
@ricardohumildebrabo
8 ай бұрын
I was considering purchasing it but now that that you posted this video It's a done deal.
@heebie9550
7 ай бұрын
Su-27's not being able to detect J-Band is crazy . - - .
@malice_779
2 ай бұрын
we need an updated review on this jet lmfao
@SeekerHead
2 ай бұрын
I have one. Check my latest video
@mlgrocket
8 ай бұрын
the F-15 as it is right now, is fine at 12.3. all it really has going for it are the 9M's, it flies like a bus cause gaijin still couldn't get the flight model right even after "fixing" it. there's now also a theory we'll get the proper F-15C at 12.7. besides all of that, the F-16C is better in every way, 2 more IR missiles, better flight model, better at dogfighting despite not being a dogfighter, and it has HMD.
@emptyforrest
8 ай бұрын
also dont sleep on the 24T. so many times where even aware players dont flare and tries to notch instead as they thing its a radar missile coming. but you cant notch the IR.
@starliner2498
4 ай бұрын
See the funny thing is that to defeat a PD radar, you should notch while dumping some chaff, the radar would switch to SRC after the notch and get chaffed off. If you're using mixed countermeasures, you should be defeating all kinds of missiles
@kerotomas1
8 ай бұрын
Honestly i hate the Mig-23. Used the MLD to grind rank 7 and 8 but what you describe here the drifting the wobbling all over the place when the wings are swept back killed any kind of gunplay with it for me. Missiles are great for sure but when it comes to gunplay i haven't been frustrated as much in any plane as i was with this thing. The low velocity of the 23mm Gsh don't help either.
@Poltergeist3651
2 ай бұрын
I got sniped by an aim 120a with this, was a neat experiance
@sanderdeyaert206
3 ай бұрын
hey ! i have this plane but i die each time with 0 kils i dont know what to do , to not die and get kills .
@GowtherMonet
2 ай бұрын
What are you struggling with?
@skallrocksapalott2057
2 ай бұрын
i guess this video isn up to date, looking for new one
@lonurad1259
8 ай бұрын
I think the reason the f15 isn't going up is because you're getting a mix between a phantom and an f16. It's not as good as other jets
@torlor316
8 ай бұрын
"you can grind the entire russian tree" was there an update? Did they remove the tier restrictions on rp?
@IceGuadian
8 ай бұрын
i personally turn off the radar and use the t-24 instead because theyre quite flare resistant and also just very fast too
@Blitz3772.
8 ай бұрын
Just dropped 6 kills (my pr at top tier) in this thing, it’s really fun to play and r24s are crazy
@adrianstachowski9422
8 ай бұрын
The most success I have with this plane is when going right with 20m fuel and wings full forward after first merge. Shoot R24r at 2 first enemies in acm mti mode and the ratefight all the enemies while my team cleans whole enemy team :D
@kanacksinbtrs6183
8 ай бұрын
what keybind is the acm mti mode?
@placeholder7213
8 ай бұрын
I bought this as my first purchase in war thunder and a week ago I unlocked the su27
@tunarulesatca
8 ай бұрын
Now I understand why I randomly die to an R24R with no launch or rwr in the Su27.
@malakov5
8 ай бұрын
With the wings swept back it’s basically a delta
@snusoedik1
8 ай бұрын
my favcourite f4s and j7d
@seductive_fishstick8961
8 ай бұрын
i got this thing during the new years sale, and even me, with basically 0 experience with top tier, with my highest BR plane being the mig-9, i have almost a 2.0 kd, thing is bonkers. I went from 7.3 with the mig-9 to the SU-27 in a week, over 320 games. I with out a doubt preferer the R-24Ts tho, i just like the reliability and not having to worry about getting a radar lock. If they dont flare, they die 90% of the time.
@luket6522
2 ай бұрын
I've got to disagree, the r23T's get flared way to easy and everyone you are facing will just spam flares all day you end up wasting them, R24R way to go if you can radar lock quick enough
@seductive_fishstick8961
2 ай бұрын
@@luket6522 if you go high 5000ish meter most maps, and just drop down on people it’s basically a free 2 kills, when I was grind the 27sm I was getting 2-4 kill games reliably this way. Since they nerfed all Mig-23 radar r-24r is very unreliable just cuz the radar will switch modes all the time
@lasse4416
7 ай бұрын
I dont think f15A will go up to 12.3, next f15 variant will be 12.7.
@sachgaming4509
8 ай бұрын
Bought this for full price in february 2023, now I'm a few matches away from getting su27, worth it? thats for you to decide I just shared my experience .:)
@wolfpack571
8 ай бұрын
Me seeing Seek recommending a 11.3 prem when I talismaned my J-7E.
@rowanyuh6326
8 ай бұрын
11.3 air is by far my least favorite br constant uptiers power crept to hell
@aserkill6096
8 ай бұрын
I grinded the MLA and imma say the opposite from my experience, climb to roughly 5000m give or take. Just below the limit where you make a giant white cloud streak in the sky the enemy can see from anywhere on the map, lob off your R24R about 17-25km away and get a free neuron activation, if you are lucky you can get 2 before you got to dive down to your team. OR you get unlucky and die to a ML or F4S before your missile could reach the target
@dukeofdream
8 ай бұрын
Yeah it's annoying AF. Haven't played a single 10.3 match lately without 3-4 in it... Their missiles used to get defeated with a single chaff, now they don't care about chaff... You up high? You dead... These things ruined the entire 10.3 matchmaker, they should go to 11.7 and stay there...
@ethan3818
8 ай бұрын
yeah irl it was pretty trash but ofc not in war thunder
@jojomaster7675
8 ай бұрын
10.3 is completely fine. Still gets plenty of downtiers and 11.3 matches are still playable if you're in a proper fighter. 11.3 is much worse. In reality, the MiG-23ML(A) gets absolutely demolished by IRCCM spamming 12.3s. Also, R24s aren't that op. They're countered the same way as AIM7E-2/F/Ms, possibly even easier due to the Mig-23s relatively mid radar. American PDs are harder to counter than it's MTI. Simply learn how to notch or don't climb.
@dukeofdream
8 ай бұрын
@@jojomaster7675 When was the last time you played 10.3? Go play the F-5C now and see for yourself... Again it was fine a month ago, now it's not... 50 matches, 45 of them are 11.3s... I don't care if they suffer or not, i just want them out of 10.3...
@jojomaster7675
8 ай бұрын
@@dukeofdream Last time i played was a week ago when I took out the Mig-21MF. Absolutely amazing, out of 20 matches about half were downtiers to 9.3/9.7. And even in uptiers i managed fine. 11.3s aren't such a huge threat. Radar missiles are just as easy to avoid in a 10.3 as in a 12.3 and nothing gets IRCCM, apart from the su-25BM/T, which is not a threat as it's an su-25. And that was with the Mig-21MF, a plane that uptiers rather badly, due to it's missiles having the worst flare resistance in the game, it's gun having low ammo and being rather awkward to aim and it not having any edge over higher br aircraft, with many outperforming it in both speed, energy and turn performance. The F5C is quite possibly the best performing plane in an uptier in the entire 10.3 bracket. It doesn't relly on it's missiles or speed and it's turn performance is better than many 11.3s. If you're struggling with it, then that's a skill issue. If you're trying to bomb in it, then that's an even bigger skill issue. Try playing any 11.3 right now.
@dukeofdream
8 ай бұрын
@@jojomaster7675 I never bomb, i'm just using it as a pure fighter... this is like the 20th time i mention this lately... I started grinding the event mirage with the F-5C cause of how fast the matches are ( and also zero queue times) in 10.3 compared to early jets that i am now in France, Russia and Israel... Up until the 5th mark of distinction i was getting consistently 1-4 kills and maybe die early in an unlucky match every now and then... I struggled like zero... By that time i had almost 3:1 K/D ratio in it... Then i decided to play the F-8E and spade it... First day during the 5th mark of distinction i'm having a blast and i get similar K/D with the vehicle half spaded... I go to sleep and start the 6th mark the next day... From that day onwards i'm just dying in anything 10.3-12.0. I thought it was the plane so i went back to the F-5C. I'm not a lvl 5 that bought an F-4S with moms wallet... i've been playing since 2014 and especially in the F-5C i have like 500 kills... I used to face mig-21s in every battle, no i'm facing mig-23s in every battle, i rarely see Mig-21BiSs anymore... Getting the Event mirage, the F-14A and the F-16a lately i'm just dying in all of them and the F-5C too... I don't know what changed, it certainly isn't a skill issue cause i was doing fine before... 3:1 K/D ratio in hundreds of matches can't be just luck (i'm questioning myself now reading comments like yours).. I don't know what's going on but i'm really having a hard time lately in WT and i have rage-quit alt+f4 manytimes... Only reason i still play is that i feel sorry for the money i paid for the yearly premium subscription.... I kid you not, today i took a xanax cause of how mad i was with it, and i'm a very peaceful character... F-16A, 30 matches last night, 15 matches today... 4 kills and 40 deaths? This is unplayable ridiculous bullshit... 5 of those deaths were me crashing to a tree while trying to evade radar missiles, this is insane. I don't how you guys find top tier fun. For me it's pure hell, missiles coming from every direction, i don't know where to look, massive furballs, moment i manage to find a good shot someone either shoots it from 5km or i get killed by someone i didn't see cause i was so focused dodging head-on radar missiles.
@multimemer5317
8 ай бұрын
But the best part, if you use acm and it locks onto chaff, r24r still tracks🤡
@farmcat9873
8 ай бұрын
10:10 Gotta Luv WT chat so competitive .....
@lambchumps2783
8 ай бұрын
My biggest gripe is the LD mode of the radar above 6000ft
@MoisesMartinez381
8 ай бұрын
R-24R is a very good missle wish I could carry more
@waifuracer6516
4 ай бұрын
Great. Reading the comments and watching this vid made me realise i fucking suck at this game. I cant make this thing work. My radar is all over the place, 90% of the time it wont even lock, or if it does, it will lose lock right before the missile would hit. Eversince i got it all i could us it for is bombing and the occasional missile kill on a player that sucks worse than I am. I struggled with it so hard i quit playing air all together. No point grinding if I know I won't be able to make the aircraft in high rbs work. I just gotta keep playing arcade to get some strike planes for ground and then im officially done with air
@chish7690
8 ай бұрын
Does the ML even have a BT? As far as I can tell there isn't a HUD indicator for it in game. I tried looking at an actual cockpit but the plane I got my hands on didn't have a HUD installed.
@ybk8bit995
2 ай бұрын
I never realized the price of these pixels... thats gross
@Pradatoru
8 ай бұрын
When I got it I loved it after 200 battles ... not so much
@jelson95
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for posting this after the Sales 😊
@damonsclips
8 ай бұрын
su27 on that list too
@mab2187
8 ай бұрын
When i was spading the 23mla the r24r wasn't good but now it is cus the radar maintains locks. Did chaf get nerfed or something?
@adrianstachowski9422
8 ай бұрын
Russian planes can't detect russian radar is the most russian thing in russian air combat
@vitiate5093
8 ай бұрын
What’s the best way to play the viggen c model with the missiles and gun?
@152mmapfsds
8 ай бұрын
I don't get the r24T. Everybody is literally always flaring. Some people have so many they can literally auto flare for the whole match
@babch0
8 ай бұрын
oh great i got a good choice
@IowanLawman
8 ай бұрын
Also I just realized I'm featured in the vid at the 4:00 minute mark. It was a great fight I got 6 kills but I couldn't fight all of you. And yes, I have a thing for Taylor Swift.
@Kaldosthesergal
8 ай бұрын
Do you have a video on how to properly play the Italian premium F104S-TAF? I got it half off but struggle in it.
@luket6522
2 ай бұрын
what did you expect, cool plane, bad br
@John-Johnsonreal
8 ай бұрын
6:30 splash damage: exists
@callmeorbi3993
7 ай бұрын
Paid 70€ and I dont regret it
@SuperAgentPixel
8 ай бұрын
any idea when another sale will happen i refused to spend 70$ for this haha
@callumsmodellingcentre6902
8 ай бұрын
Got the Mig-23ML for £30 which was nice
@henne5348
8 ай бұрын
I highly disagree with flying low!! I go up every game and it works perfetcly fine if you do it right. Todays session: 3 battles, 2/3 uptiers, 16 kills 0 deaths. You can 100% climb
@norske_ow3440
8 ай бұрын
You can, but the mig23’s radar loses mti after about 5,000m so it does best below that at least
@henne5348
8 ай бұрын
@@norske_ow3440 but it geht's ld which is still better than normal src (and it already at 1800 and something meters above ground), my performance kinda speaks for itself if you ask me, I did the same 3 matches no death with 14 kills last week too. It works perfectly fine. And I'm far from being one of the best players in airrb
@norske_ow3440
8 ай бұрын
@@henne5348 LD is literally just search mode with the dish tilted a few degrees down so you can see targets below your nose... and your supposed performance doesn't mean shit in this conversation unless all 14 were with r24r at high altitude... and if that's the case, then those stats are a lie
@henne5348
8 ай бұрын
@@norske_ow3440 I know but for some reason it's way better than normal src, and it also sees targets up to a few degrees above nose
@norske_ow3440
8 ай бұрын
@@henne5348 placebo effect
@sneakytom7416
8 ай бұрын
Man, that guy at 10:09 was pretty salty after you killed him lol
@madfoxlabs3436
8 ай бұрын
Eow, more Russian Bias..... but Thanks for the video, it's good to know what I'm up against and why their missiles are as Effective if not more effective than the AIM-54Cs....
@norske_ow3440
8 ай бұрын
They are fairly short range though, pretty rare to reach much farther than 25km with r24. But it has a very short burn faze so you only see the missile diamond for somewhere around a second
@madfoxlabs3436
8 ай бұрын
@@norske_ow3440 Eow, That's really weird, I reached Mach 1.34 and launched the AIM-54C at 30km....but the R-24 killed me first 5 seconds before the Phoenix hit the Mig-23ML that launched it and I was cranking away with chaff....basically all US missiles are worthless against the Soviet ones...
@norske_ow3440
8 ай бұрын
@@madfoxlabs3436Well yes, technically it is possible for it to go that far, but you have to be doing a lot wrong for it to kill you at that range. And almost every “top tier” sarh will reach a target sooner than a phoenix at that range. Btw, keep in mind even while cranking, if you are going M1.34 you will close the distance to the missile very fast. You should fire your missile at high speed, then slow down. Aim54 seeker turns on at somewhere in the area of 15km, so when it gets roughly that close and they have you locked you should go cold. If there are no other targets at altitude, it’s a good idea to dive a bit too cause thicker air will slow the missile down quicker. Edit: and chaff doesn’t work against pd or mti unless you are in a notch
@madfoxlabs3436
8 ай бұрын
Eow, good to know, Thanks ^-^ will try and adapt accordingly. Haven't gotten any hits at 40km. Maybe releasing at 35km is better. Will try different ideas until a better missile becomes available.@@norske_ow3440 🦊
@neuroleptic2563
7 ай бұрын
@@madfoxlabs3436 aim 9m is arguably the best AAM right now.
@pkemr4
7 ай бұрын
I have trouble staying in WEP in arcade
@jamieLippiatt
8 ай бұрын
bro my friend told me not to get it i think he was jelouse because he got the f5c or f4c cant remeber
@Dimelus5
5 ай бұрын
what are the other 2 premiums that you would buy?
@Bartholomew_TX
8 ай бұрын
I wish I picked up the mig23ml instead of the fucking F4S
@SeekerHead
8 ай бұрын
Well, if you wanna grind US it’s a good pick
@jackgamer6307
7 ай бұрын
Please someone tell me the ML is somehow better than the MLD, because the MLD is absolutely horrendeous. Everyone is on periodic flares so your R-24T/R-60M are useless, and the radar in my experience is just not good enough to rely on for the R-24R. I'm tired of everyone calling the ML the best plane ever sold in the history of mankind when the supposed "upgrade" gets outperformed by a plane a full bracket bellow it (khm khm F-5C) while uptiers make it's armament nigh useless
@SWANNwillSUFFICE
8 ай бұрын
It had to be a mistake omitting the F-15 variants from the BR changes. I can **almost** entertain the idea that noob American players could be dragging down the statistics for the American F-15A. Think F-4S players that unlocked the F-15. BUT. This logic does not apply to the F-15J or the Baz. Few if any players willingly choose the Japanese or Israeli trees as their first tech tree. Players with the F-15J and Baz are almost certainly experienced, above-average players. Not to mention the fact that the AAM-3 is the best IR missile in the game. This is certainly an oversight on Gaijin's part.
@norske_ow3440
8 ай бұрын
Lot of people think it has more to do with preparing for fox-3, but that still doesn’t really explain the 15J… maybe since the sarh/radar fix was so recent, they are waiting to see if that changes it’s stats?
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