Sad thing is, a lot of drivers don't have common sense, it's just simply a mindset that needs changing, hopefully, time will educate, like in the days of early internet etc ... Thnx for the video Dave, keep them coming !
@AdrianNelson1507
Жыл бұрын
I miss the early days of the internet, before everyone else turned up!
@st200ol
Жыл бұрын
@@AdrianNelson1507Ahh the days before KZitem. 🤪
@davidthornton3346
Жыл бұрын
Yep. Some people are thick as mince, refuse to change. Good example is self service at supermarkets. Almost all my visits I saunter past queues of people waiting at the manned checkouts to scan a barcode and pay in less than 30 seconds. Takes a small bit of effort on my part setting up accounts for Scan And Go etc, but the reward for it is massive.
@tobycolin6271
Жыл бұрын
@@davidthornton3346 you only see the world from your perspective. For the elderly , those with children or a large shop the self checkouts are not convenient. Because of them staff numbers have been reduced and the que at manned tills have got longer. The through put at self service is carefully set up and placed so that you pick up additional Im pulse purchases.
@G8YTZ
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been a Tesla owner since January 2016 with an 85D Model S. This car now has 161,000 miles on it, and it is driven across Europe including down to the south of Italy without any charging issues whatsoever. I’m one of the fortunate for you to have free unlimited supercharging whilst at home we are on Intelligent Octopus, and we also have a Powerwall 2. In 2021 we added a second Tesla Model 3 long range, this car replaced our excellent BMW i3 REX that we bought in 2014. Your video is an excellent summary of charging, and absolutely what every experienced Tesla owner knows, put in an understandable form for all to understand. Very well done and very well presented. My own view is as Tesla rolls out it’s V4 superchargers. I cannot see how anybody else can compete with their prices and you absolutely make an excellent comment that most people will charge from home, so demand when compared with what when previously with petrol stations will be negligible, my own view is en route charging will only account for about 3% of the kilowatt hours sold in petrol stations today. I’m not sure how you make a business with a 97% reduction in the addressable market for a product. My guess is just take the government money and run pay your self, a good salary for a few years and then move onto something else. Of course, things will get worse for en route charging, as vehicle ranges increase further to the point where you can’t possibly drive the vehicles range in a day. It is clear that en route rapid charging will have even less demand.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for comments, totally agree. I think workplace charging is ready for a boom, ideal for those who can't charge at home. V4 no real advantage to the likes of us, capped at 150kW. Cybertruck will probably have 350kW max charging speed, wonder what the Model 2 will have, best guess, around 150kW as they will be mainly used as runarounds and for commuting, so home and workplace charging
@veronicathecow
Жыл бұрын
Wow, never thought about how Tesla can read all the cars and work out where people will charge etc, what a huge advantage. Great episode, thanks.
@djtaylorutube
Жыл бұрын
I was prioritising Tesla v3 superchargers but after a more thoughtful look at the charging curve, there's no benefit for my Model Y when arriving at anything over 30% SoC. As for that Porsche, but he was parking at "Reserved EV charging"!! It's antics like that which used to piss me off when we had a Leaf and would visit IKEA with their two charge points. There was usually some knob parked there with a PHEV adding their 20 miles take that they didn't need.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Let's call out these idiots, name and shame, but agree with your V3 conclusion, I have a max speed of 150kW so, as long as the site is not almost full and power sharing between V2s is in force, I don't mind V2 or V3 or V4, I'll always get the same
@MrKlawUK
Жыл бұрын
I ignore pricing currently. If it has 6+ chargers in one location it goes on my list. Convenience and access to charge more important than price right now - overall yearly cost will still be low with home charging (for me). If we get to the point where there are so many hubs of 6+, reliable rapids, then I’ll start thinking about price and that will be a good day because it means we have an ok number of chargers
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
great point and my thoughts exactly
@thevideoark
Жыл бұрын
A great guide for people new to the scene and much more. Also well done for the name and shame though I suspect the person responsible might be too self centred to care. Grrrrrrr
@garybarham3992
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave, I’m about to order my first EV company car but unable to charge at home and will need to charge at work and other public charges. You’ve given me the confidence to take the plunge and given me some great knowledge from your experience on EVs.🖖
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Hi Gary really pleased I could help. Let me know how you get on
@mikebayley5954
Жыл бұрын
Always appreciate these charger updates .... thanks 😊
@st200ol
Жыл бұрын
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again very reasonable and anything over 65p per kWh just don’t belong in the same sentence, petrol and diesel are cheaper, please stop saying this, thank you. 😁 On the same note the only time I ever use public charging is our annual holiday so it’s not a real problem what they charge. I would like to test public charging once in a while just to make sure I can use it should the need arise but at those prices it ain’t going to happen.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Simple philosophy, always charge at home but use public chargers where you have to. and if you have to, then chose the cheapest or MOST reasonable
@user-kr6xw5qh1c
10 ай бұрын
Hi Dave, I have recently found your EV based website. Many thanks for your informative, balanced reviews and information on many aspects of EV life. Your style of presenting is very watchable and now find it's a go to site for EV info. Whilst watching one of your vids. on non-Tesla vehicle charging using Tesla V4 units, I could not remember if you mentioned whether Tesla PAYG via debit card insists on a pre-authorisation, (very occasional use) and if so, how much. If you did, I apologise and will pay more attention. Thanks again, keep them coming, regards, another David.
@davetakesiton
10 ай бұрын
Great question and welcome to the channel but no I cannot tell you. If I plug it in it recognises my Tesla and deactivates the contactless terminal and takes payment through my Tesla account with no pre-authorisation and when I met an MG4 owner charging there he used contactless but obviously I couldn’t check his bank account so I don’t know. But I will find out and report in a future video
@stevenbarrett7648
Жыл бұрын
Queue ? Did it once or twice when we had a petrol car and Tesco was 10ppl off !
@djtaylorutube
Жыл бұрын
Same for our Costco. It's always about 45 minutes by the time I've included the journey there and back. Apparently it should only be 2 minutes. These petrol cars are so inconvenient, can't fill them at home overnight.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Queued for hours when the tanker drivers went on strike.
@johndoyle4723
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Fastned tip, I use them often and just use my charge card wich works OK, I have now opened an account, registered my car, and will charge at Hamilton twice next week. Yes I think Fastned are the best chargers ,very fast and a canopy as well, just they are as rare as rocking horse s**t.
@MrJUT1984
Жыл бұрын
not sure if you have seen from Genie, another reason to not use them. they have increased the "pre- authorise " amount they charge your card before you even start to charge. from £8 up to £35 for contactless might not impact every user of course but if your connection doesn't work first time round and it takes two maybe three attempts that's £105 from your account before you even start to charge. might be small to some but worth mentioning
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Probably not, my understanding of this is a pre-authorisation is to check you have the funds in there. It is not a charge on the card. If the charge fails, the pre-authorisation clears. If it succeeds, the actual charge clears the pre-authorisation. Might be wrong, though
@MrJUT1984
Жыл бұрын
@@davetakesiton Thanks Dave- not been my experience so far they seem to be taking the same tack as one of the supermarkets did years ago with pay at pump where they “held” £100 before they let you start pumping. At least in my experience the entries show as debits to the account and then some time later the money comes back.
@mikemorley2797
Жыл бұрын
Well done Dave I hope you get a good mileage out of your P Zero's the way I'm going on my original fit I'll be lucky to get 10000 miles. Hyundai 120.N is my car and everyone is complaining about their wear rate.
@MrDAVIDATKIN
11 ай бұрын
I hate queueing for EV charging. Mostly I can charge at home but when I'm away from home I use Ionity wherever possible because as a Polestar owner we get to charge there at 35p kWH. They can and do get busy at certain times, not just 5-8pm but at lunch time as well.
@EXSKIN
Жыл бұрын
What got me yesterday, was I travelled from Boppard on the Rhein to N.E England I did it with my non T on Tesla, Erftstadt, Zavantem, tunnel and Trumpington enjoying 0.36 cents and £0.40 per Kwh prices. Had to top up at Blythe services on Gridserve at £ 0.69 and staring at 12 empty Tesla chargers at 02:30 in the morning that I couldn't use. Would have preferred to give Mr Musk my hard earned.
@timothybloomer8287
Жыл бұрын
Good to see lots more of new chargers going in although currently none of those seem to be in West Cumbria. And some of those prices are shocking. Fortunately we charge at home apart from the occasional long journey. Genie point’s maintenance of their older chargers is lamentable. Just be grateful you don’t have to charge in Whitehaven or Workington.
@Paul-hu3zr
Жыл бұрын
Dave , really enjoying the videos and appreciate the practical advice,news and myth busting they include, even if you are a bit of a Tesla fan boy (just kidding) . But I thought you may appreciate I called in at the very nice Rugby Moto services earlier Today. Tesla, only 1 point in use and a new double bank of chargers being installed. Gridserve full, Two out of action and one of the guys on another declaring that cutting out after entering his card. Thankfully my ID4 was only 50 miles into a 100% charge from home, and I did my 244 mile journey on 80% and No public charging needed, to reinforce your usage point.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Cheers Paul, great info. Yes, there are issues when new chargers go in, I recently found the entire motorway services with no chargers at all during an upgrade. Always best not to use them
@kennshearer526
Жыл бұрын
Another great video Dave. Thank you. Came back from Reading this weekend. Charged my non-Tesla at the Wokingham Tesla Supercharger at less than 40p/KWh. Love Tesla’s variable pricing 😊 Added a few KWh at Exeter services. Several new Gridserve charges now installed. Some teething problems but generally most working OK. There is no clear queuing system at Exeter Services and it can be a bit messy. A couple of Guys for Moto were helping sort things out - which was nice - but it needs a permanent solution. Out of interest I stopped at Victoria Services (which you mention). All the high-speed chargers were working and in use but some of the 7kwh were not accepting payment. Signing and pricing were missing. They will need to at least double the number of chargers here as, speaking to people, many were just topping up for the rest of their Cornwall adventure 😄
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Great update, thanks. Seems Devon and Cornwall are prime targets for chargers since Cornwall only got its first supercharger 2 years ago. Great to see installations and Exeter is now announcing 32 superchargers. I met a couple of guys at Tebay helping out when they installed 12 x V3 250kW but they were employed by Tesla to help smooth out problems, although these guys seemed to be more concerned with keeping non-Tesla drivers away
@stephenmacnaughton9741
Жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, apologies if I missed it but have you done a video on Octopus Electroverse? At worst if you are not an Octopus customer it provides a single card for a huge selection of networks both here and in Europe. Better yet if you are a customer they offer a discount for all charges. E.g. Ionity is 61p, Osprey 73p etc. No membership cost.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
No apologies needed, no I haven’t. That’s an oversight. Upcoming video, thanks Dave
@djtaylorutube
Жыл бұрын
Good call! I read about getting one as it was described as useful for multiple networks and that's exactly what I did for a European road trip. We mostly used Superchargers but Electroverse and Ellie worked well for the few hotel chargers that we also used. Sadly, the large and very cheap car park for Mont Blanc in Chamonix had chargers that were network subscription only. How daft.
@Youtubedotcomma
Жыл бұрын
If I was ever in a pinch and Tesla network wasn’t possible (that’s never been the case) as a octopus customer “Electroverse” would be next port of call… 8% off and charged to my electricity home bill and all controlled via the app.
@stephengowler5360
Жыл бұрын
Excellent stuff again Dave. The Osprey chargers at Banbury unsurprisingly are always empty when we stop to use the Tesla chargers. I’m changing my car shortly to a 350 capable charging car, so will try Fastned at Abingdon again. The paucity of chargers on the NW to Hampshire route is frustrating and needs to be addressed. Keep up the good work
@johndoyle4723
Жыл бұрын
I use the Instavolt hub just nearby, never queued but always a healthy flow of customers.
@stephengowler5360
Жыл бұрын
Paid 47p at Tesla yesterday. Unbelievable
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Hi Stephen, would be delighted to hear how you get on with your new car. Watch out for the Fastned parking at Redbridge, its free but you have to get a ticket within 10 minutes or £100 fine, and maximum 1 hour stay or £100 fine, ouch, Dave
@Asunisland
Жыл бұрын
I live in a flat, don’t get cheap electricity. Once my 6months of free electricity from the dealer i bought my car from expires end of November, i am truly going to experience expensive electric charging as a 2nd class EV owner. I wish the tesla supercharger in Manchester wasn’t 11 miles each way from where i live. My car is a Zoe. I live in Stockport and my nearest charger is a 11kw slow charger run by be.ev in greater Manchester. As far as i can tell Stockport just like the North West of England isn’t renowned for being an up to date modern forward thinking EV Zone. Then again no one in power takes notice of the 30% who can’t afford houses and driveways. I can’t even have a working Smart meters in my flat though they were recently installed and don’t connect.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
I lived in Cornwall for 30 years and it was only last year we got a our first supercharger. Cornwall is 100 miles long and 50 miles wide you think you got problems
@Asunisland
Жыл бұрын
I work in the NHS and haven't had a pay rise since 2010 since this lot got into government. I retire at 67 in 4 years time, if i can afford to. I wan't to support renewables and do support environmental groups and actions where i can. It would be good to receive positive advice and support that may help make it possible for me to keep running my car economically and do hope public chargers don't all get to 79p per KW. I cannot afford to buy a house so can't have the benefits that are possible with driveways. I do enjoy watching your videos, they are very positive and informative. I do so enjoy driving my 2nd hand electric car, it's so much nicer to drive than my previous Citroen C1. Much more comfortable. Keep up the good work.
@stephengowler5360
Жыл бұрын
The Evyve at Reddish and Fuuse at Bredbury are very good
@robertdurn2320
Жыл бұрын
Lidl on Hempshaw Lane in SK has a 22kW Podpoint and Evyve at The Bulls Head in Hazel Grove has a CCS 50kW.
@leesmart1971
Жыл бұрын
Regarding your comments on never needing to charge and how we might just modify our behaviour slightly to help avoid queues: when I am on journeys away from home such as visiting family in West Cumbria, the lack of charging in the area (none at my destination) means I can't choose when I will need to charge. If I set off from home full and arrive with 50 miles of range, I will need to charge the same day or the following morning. Visits are often filled with essential activities and I rarely have the luxury of choosing what time to charge, or where for that matter. Whitehaven has one GeniePoint charger that works and one that doesn't. That is it. No choice in the area. There are a pair of new EVPower chargers a few miles away but they are the best chargers for 20 miles so are often both in use at the only time available for me to charge. You can't assume we all have a choice when to charge or which charging company to use. Not the case in many parts of the UK such as Cumbria, Northumbria, East Yorkshire and mid-Wales. It's getting better quickly but many areas still have no choice of chargers so we have to pay whatever price the companies set.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Hi, I do appreciate your problems, but having spent a week in a holiday cottage 15 miles from Kendal, the nearest charger, Kirby Stephen Geniepoint 50kW was of course out of order, I am not unsympathetic, yet I found several ways. First, if my destination has no charging I will always stop on route at the last place I can charge so that I get there still with a decent charge. In your case, probably Kendal. Next, plug into the mains if there is a suitable or external weatherproof socket. Overnight you can easily add 50 or 60 miles. Or look out for Fast chargers. The Lake District is supplied with hundreds of 7, 11or 22kW chargers and the really great news is, they charge around 48p per kWh. Even greater, I don't think you need to pay for their car park if you are charging. I used one in Kendal. There are over a dozen in and near Whitehaven. Park up, spend the day with your family and you get a full charge. Details on chargemystreet.co.uk and access via FUUSE app on your mobile. Hope any of this helps, Dave
@G8YTZ
Жыл бұрын
It sounds a bit like you might have the wrong EV for your use case, it might even be that the car that fits your use case isn’t available yet, but I would watch this space regarding the “Highland” Model 3, which is about to be launched. If the rumours about its range increase are correct it may offer you a solution.
@stephengowler5360
Жыл бұрын
In Jersey for a break - 25p per kWh and between midnight and 7am 11p!!!!!! Meanwhile, a nearby BPPulse site is charging 79p as per mainland UK. Bonkers
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Bonkers indeed
@solentbum
Жыл бұрын
Having been EV for over 10 years I have noticed a rising rate of new rapid chargers, from the original free Ecotricity units through a problem time with freeloading PHEV drivers blocking charge points to current days. In June on a 2124 miles trip through Scotland I had NO queuing, and apart from some older Units with opaque screens managed to charge every time. (Except for two which had been vandalised). This week I was in North Wales, from Havant, again no queues. Starting with a full tank on Saturday morning the drive home required a top up, due to poor weather, so I pulled into a roadside pub for about 15 minutes. Next stop, as planned , was Moto M48 near the Severn Bridge. There were six new rapids plus the older 50Kwh unit. Again no waiting. (There were mountings for another six chargers to be installed. As most of my charging is at home I find the membership 'deals' to be effectively useless, and try to always go for the cheapest refill.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
great story, it can be easy with practise. Yes, massive increase in charger numbers and power.
@bigbadthesailor5173
Жыл бұрын
I was thrilled initially when I saw Applegreen installing a rank of chargers at Abington Services on the M74 on the way up to Edinburgh and Glasgow. They have finally come online, but cost a bomb. They were all deserted when I pulled in on this current trip, whilst the somewhat knackered old Gridserve chargers were nearly full. As someone who regularly drives between Edinburgh and Somerset in a 50KwH Zoe the new chargers at Tebay can't come soon enough. There is also a dearth of chargers between Birmingham and Bristol on the M5
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Great news thanks. If we all ignore the extortionate ones they will drop in price or disappear. Agree with M5 total blind spot
@johndoyle4723
Жыл бұрын
Push on further to the Fastneds at Hamilton, they are excellent.
@bigbadthesailor5173
Жыл бұрын
Good tip @johndoyle4723 I'll bear that in mind if ever I'm off to Glasgow!
@Sidewinder1009oli
Жыл бұрын
1 note on the charging speeds. Some cars are 400v like a Tesla and some are 800v. kW output is voltage x amps. Cars and chargers will both have limits on amps and volts. A 350kw 800v charger may not get a Tesla to 250kW and you’ll probably be limited to 175kW max. Equally a 350kW 400v charger (if they exist) won’t get an 800v car to 350kW and will also limit at 175kW. This is my understanding and I could be wrong, please correct me if so. Thanks for videos Dave
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Hey, I'm confused too. Fastned's calculator states that a Porsche Taycan charges at 270kW on their own 300kW chargers, but at 50kW on all their others, including their own 100kW and 150kW? Also an Audi E-Tron GT charges at 270kW! What, even on their 150kW chargers? Tesla Model 3 is quoted at 175kW as you say, but the Model Y long range is 190kW. But another calculator states Porsche Taycan is 122kW max on a 175kW charger and the Audi E-Tron max 155kW on a 175kW charger. I suspect this requires investigating and a new video is likely, Dave.
@purplerain1275
Жыл бұрын
Dave, an excellent video as always, however with regard to expected charging speed, it’s not always the car that’s the limiting factor. A BP Pulse 150W charger which used to be in an ideal place for me immediately springs to mind. A 150kW charger, charged at BP’s Ultra Fast pricing and it never output more than 30kW. And it wasn’t the car, Tesla Model 3, with an empty warm battery, it would easily take 200kW. Of course any complaints to BP Pulse resulted in exactly the same response as your video, it’s your car.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Yes, looks like a faulty charger and great that you reported it. I agree but the principle is correct, the car is still controlling the charge, here just allowing all 30kW that the charger can or does supply. So if you know your car's charging speed, like you do, then you can quickly identify chargers that are not supplying the full power. Lower supply may be because of overall site power limitations, or individual faulty chargers. Really good info, thanks. I usually assume chargers are working at full or decent speed, it's not until you find a really obvious discrepancy that you notice it. I suspect now that there are many with low supply, just not so blatant as the one you found, Dave
@purplerain1275
Жыл бұрын
@@davetakesiton perhaps a video highlighting it? Not that easy to prove, but would be possible in the right area. For example, I currently live in Milton Keynes, an area blessed with a massive number of chargers. I know the Ionity’s at M1 J14 aren’t delivering anywhere near the power that is advertised, just look at the Zap-Map reviews, but a comparison between a charge on these, then going a mile up the road to a known good 250kW/350kW charger would prove it and dispel the “it’s your car sir” excuse that I believe so many charging providers rely on to cover up the fact that their chargers aren’t providing anywhere near the power they advertise or in certain cases like BP Pulse, are actually charging for because their charging price is tiered depending on power.
@colin7898
Жыл бұрын
The reason GeniePoint is always empty is a) too expensive and b) hopelessly unreliable!!
@robburrows2737
Жыл бұрын
The Porsche is taxed, unsurprisingly as it would be free to tax and the dealer would have done it anyway. You could make the report to the police, a dashcam Portal would do.if the Road Traffic Act protection clause has been invoked by the local council for that space a parking charge penalty could be raised. I complained to Gateshead council as they were not protecting charge bays. It's the same procedure used for disabled blue badge holder bays. Gateshead Council didn't see any need to protect bays and just said they would keep the situation under review. That is nothing. Just block a busy petrol station like the oil protesters and see if anyone is bothered!
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
great marks for trying, I'll see if I get any more luck
@peterboroughfixmystreet952
Жыл бұрын
Can you do a video regarding Sainsbury’s chargers please?
@PeterHartland
Жыл бұрын
The Kimpower are being used in the Sainsbury supermarkets at 220KWH very good to use. SAinsburys are rolling them out across the UK. Exeter being one of the first
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Hi Peter great to hear, 220kW really useful, what price are they, Dave
@PeterHartland
Жыл бұрын
75p@@davetakesiton
@chrispenn715
Жыл бұрын
The Sainsburys in my area (South Wales) don't seem to have any chargers at all, unfortunately....... I think the only local supermarket with chargers is just one Tesco and even this is a bit half hearted....
@99Tonygm
Жыл бұрын
Hello Dave, great channel. As a new EV driver, would you know it there is a charging location app or route planner which can filter by price per kw/h please? This would make finding cheaper charging so much easier.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Its a subject I plan on tackling shortly, congrats on your new EV
@davestarkie9977
Жыл бұрын
Useful info, off to mid France again later this week... Ionity membership mixed in with Tesla open chargers appears to be the best option for prices and sites.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
fully agree, good luck
@davestarkie9977
Жыл бұрын
Just back from France ionity is far cheaper and also more chargers. Say it all that when i got to Stafford two were not working and the others full! I took a photo of an amazing 17 charger Ionity in north west France if you want it? @@davetakesiton
@stevenbarrett7648
Жыл бұрын
Hartshead Moor has two new ones plus they are building out a whole row of them but never used them due to price also the two working ones are next to a row of Tesla chargers 😊
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
I'll get there to film very soon
@geoffhaylock6848
Жыл бұрын
Surprised at the high cost of electricity for charging. This must be higher than the cost of actual petrol in the uk. It will be really expensive once the government start piling on the tax. The costs used in this video are misleading as the petrol costs include 300% tax and the electricity costs don't. I can't see the government losing out on £Billions in tax.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Not for me Geoff, I can buy 30 miles worth of electricity off peak every night for £1. Not much petrol around for £1a gallon. I'm happy fossil fuel pays fuel tax then VAT @ 20% on the fuel tax, while I pay no fuel tax and 5% VAT
@geoffhaylock6848
Жыл бұрын
@@davetakesiton I think EV's are in the 'sweet spot' tax wise, at the moment. But we all know the government loves it's tax revenue on fuel for cars. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before it all changes. If you add the same amount of tax to electric as you do petrol, it looks like it will be even more expensive than fossil fuel going forward. We will see who has the last laugh, you or the tax department 😂
@ianlouden7939
Жыл бұрын
Most fars are limited to 100kw, the number of cars that can do 350kw is limited but growing but the cost of a grod connection is so expensive the price is higer to cover investment cost. The cost of EV charging at public locations is offputing for many, at 69p/kwh its in petrol vehicle teritory.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
And if it was exactly the same I would still drive EV
@ianlouden7939
Жыл бұрын
@@davetakesiton I agree, once you have driven an EV it's a bit of o shock going back to driving an ICE vehicle. All I am saying is for those who don't have a charger at home and paying 1/3 or less the cost of petrol it's off putting.
@stephenbagwell8275
Жыл бұрын
We have now got less chargers in Bury Town Centre. 2 bays closed supposedly to be converted into rapid chargers for taxis, there’s 4 BeEV bays that I use and 2 more that I’ve not been able to find. All only up to 7kW per hour
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Yes some places suck for charging
@OldManTony
Жыл бұрын
Gridserve also have Tesla Superchargers at their own Norwich hub.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Yes, the start of a new relationship it seems
@peterseddon8363
Жыл бұрын
Driving south from Carlisle on the M6 I expected to charge at Southwaite services, there was a queue for the two old style chargers. Next services Tebay has none working on the southbound services. Caried on the Killington and then had to charge to get home, I was third in the queue for the two old style chargers. People seemed to be hogging the chargers BUT when I connected I found out that the chargers were only delivering 9kW. I nearly over stayed the 2 hour free parking period and only managed to add 10 miles, just enough to get home. My worst experience yet with Gridserve.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Hey, I'm a real regular up at Tebay, it features in many of my videos and I did an interview with the CEO recently, and I have never found any to be out of order, let alone none working. Are you sure you were in the right place? You can nip round to the northbound services on side roads, follow the Gridserve charger arrows, and access three Gridserve 50kW shared there.
@martinaston1715
Жыл бұрын
SIMPLE SOLUTION TO ALL OF THIS IS STAY WITH A USED PETROL OR DIESEL , NO ANXIETY WHATS SO EVER GLAD I SATYED AWAY FROM THE EV EXPERIMENT..
@everythingtechnew7400
Жыл бұрын
If 69p per kWh is reasonable I’m obviously missing something. Even at 3 miles per kWh that’s 23p per mile equal to 28.6mpg. Even high performance petrol sports cars can achieve above this. Do you also know many companies only reimburse fleet drivers 9p per mile HMRC advisory fuel rates for business miles. That’s a short fall of 14p per mile. Unless people can charge their EV’s at home & do most of their daily commute without the need to use public chargers it’s never going to work. Greed & costs will be the biggest stumbling block in the EV revolution & possibly seeing it end in a similar way that betamax did. Much superior to VHS but ultimately VHS won due to pricing.
@davelenderson
Жыл бұрын
It's funny how ludites don't factor in the service station cost of petrol/diesel when they make stupid comments and my Nissan juke used to only just muster up 30mpg so the idea of a performance car getting over 28.6 seems pretty optimistic
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
You seem to be arguing against petrol. 23p, same as a ICE car at 30mpg cost vs allowance of 9p? I was a rep and 30mpg for 70mph motorway driving is considered good. But you forget the BIK benefit in kind for company cars, which is practically zero for EVs plus no servicing. This very video shows that a combination home and supercharging produces an annual net price to me of 7p per mile. at 9p allowance, I would make a profit of 2p x 20,000 = £400 per year. I'll take that
@everythingtechnew7400
Жыл бұрын
@@davetakesiton For context I’ve just bought a Cupra Leon PHEV because my around town cost for my 2019 Leon Cupra being around 28 mpg was stupidly expensive. I can only granny charge via an extension lead at home. As I travel a lot for business the thought of going back to circe 23p per mile using public chargers is completely out of the question. I’m not against EV’s just pointing out the blatant profiteering & ripping off of motorists is likely to irreparably damage the EV uptake. When you factor in at the petrol pump much of what is being paid is tax what’s the excuse for public EV points charging above pump prices. As for advisory HMRC rates for company car drivers they are on the government website & many companies use these figures to reimburse business fuel. There’s nothing in law to say they have to reimburse you for the cost of your journey.
@everythingtechnew7400
Жыл бұрын
@@davelenderson Luddite!! As we’re trading insults don’t buy a clown SUV car then. 30mpg to drive around in that. Each to their own I guess. I have a solar & battery system as well as a PHEV & I’m a Luddite!
@davelenderson
Жыл бұрын
@everythingtechnew7400 if you have solar and a storage battery and drive a phev then yes, yes you are very very dumb. Buy a bev already dumb shit
@chrisheath2637
Жыл бұрын
Useful information, thanks...
@craiglancaster1882
Жыл бұрын
Living in Burnley and working in the surrounding areas we have a choice of Pod Point. BP Shell or InstaVolt. I don’t have the option of a charge at home but a 7KWH at the office but I’m only at the office for 2/3 hours max a day. What would you suggest
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Let me know what you drive miles you cover and I’ll give it some thought
@qwacker6429
Жыл бұрын
Trafford Centre 7kwh EV chargers .... on some apps they are advertised being free .... but they actually cost 74p per Kwh, or discounted to 64p per Kwh if you use an electroverse card (Octopus customers). But of course you don't need to pay this much ... if you drive across the car park to the Tesla Chargers .... you can pay half that rate most of the time and get up to 250Kwh .... and you don't have to have a Tesla! Trafford Centre have no prices on their own charge points .... so they are being a bit sneaky. I have made a complaint.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
weird how some people pay higher rates when cheaper and better chargers are just across the car park.
@qwacker6429
Жыл бұрын
I support your views that EV charging stations should have a label/sticker describing what they cost. A bit of openness. @@davetakesiton
@keithdenton8386
Жыл бұрын
The cost of charging will be high if you want more chargers. No point in installing chargers if you don't make profit. I guess once there are a lot of chargers and the investment has been recouped prices may come down.
@ouethojlkjn
Жыл бұрын
Another factor is storing cheap rate, electricity for premium delivery later on in the day. So Tesla certainly do this and others are probably getting on board with storage batteries backing up the charging points. It also means they can charge at quieter times to deliver much faster charging at busy times.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Seems contradictory, you claim there aren’t enough chargers and we have long queues but then say once chargers are busy prices might come down. Tesla superchargers are very busy and their price averages 37p and they make a profit from chargers. If the others can’t get down to 37p and make a healthy profit it’s more wrong than simple numbers of chargers
@waltermcphee3787
Жыл бұрын
Are new tesla chargers given priority connection to the grid? Over a year and destination chargers at Gretna still not connected.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
No, simple mobile connection, Vodaphone or O2.
@waltermcphee3787
Жыл бұрын
@@davetakesiton they are waiting on Eon for the grid connection.
@chrisw3771
Жыл бұрын
The BP pulse membership isn't quite that good, they do give you a credit each month for the first 6 months that covers the membership plus a little bit extra. But if you don't use it that month the credit disappears from your account
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
That's not on
@juliandavies7890
Жыл бұрын
Most people do not use Genie Point chargers because most of the time they don't work. They need to get their finger out and sort it.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
I'm sure the brand new 300kW and 150kW chargers do work but hope they too never get used.
@johnharcombe9412
Жыл бұрын
I use octopus energy intelligent 7.5p night rate. 10,000 miles cost £159
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Hi John, yes, I'm with EDF and currently pay 11p night rate and 41p peak. I get 10 hours each night 9pm to 7am and all day Saturday and Sunday. I could drop to 7.5 or 5p with Octopus and about 30p peak, but I lose my weekend off peak and that's when I use most of my electricity, washing machine, dishwasher, tumble dryer. I use 15% peak and 85% off peak year round, so my nett price is 15.5p per kWh. A pretty good rate. Losing my weekends and early evenings would probably cost me overall but I'm looking, thanks for your comment
@robertarmstrong3478
Жыл бұрын
1) Tesla do have one apparent problem, with destination chargers. In September 2022 I booked a hotel which was shown as having a Tesla destination charger. On arrival I discovered no Tesla unit, but 2 Monta chargers. The hotel stated that the Tesla unit had been damaged early on, never satisfactorily repaired and then replaced. Despite several requests to Tesla by the hotel, the map still shows a destination charger. I recently queried the hotel (August 23) and they confirm that they still have the Monta units. They appear to have given up trying to get Tesla to update the map. 2) Are the charger locator maps getting any better at being up to date? One of your previous videos highlighted the poor performance even of some of the charging networks own apps.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I agree, I found a hotel I used to use and previously charged their regularly, but last trip, the chargers were out of order, no interest or sign of them being repaired or replaced, yet still advertised on the hotel website. I always check before I get there, plus some destination chargers offer a reservation scheme. Also look at the overall cost. Case in point Celtic Manor hotel, Newport South Wales; room only £228 with unlimited free charging, Travelodge £78 plus £20 for supercharging. My wife wants Celtic Manor, my wallet picks Travelodge
@djtaylorutube
Жыл бұрын
@@davetakesitonThat's my view on the hotels. If I'm on a trip, I might as well overnight cheap and pay for a reliable charge than pay multiple times the amount and find they have just one 7kWh charger, hogged all night by a PHEV for example. If I want to specify an EV point requirement, it not being available but being charged the same doesn't interest me.
@michaelkirkham407
Жыл бұрын
Cornwall services was down yesterday afternoon, site was switched off
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for there update, I will investigate
@stephenbagwell8275
Жыл бұрын
15:37 vehicles carrying temporary traffic lights should have to pay at least double the ULEZ charge
@ronaldgarrison8478
Жыл бұрын
27:40 Is there any good reason not to back up all the way into the charging spot? Seems better for everyone all around.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Yes there was
@ronaldgarrison8478
Жыл бұрын
@@davetakesiton And that would be what?
@mmigesh4735
Жыл бұрын
What about Wales?!
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Swansea was in Wales last time I went there and all the national charger networks operate there also
@mmigesh4735
Жыл бұрын
True. Also Cardiff. Look at Zap-Map and see the desert outside the main towns.
@richardcorns8553
Жыл бұрын
Beautiful place. Go there often.
@stewartkingaby8615
Жыл бұрын
How do you see the Tesla prices by time of day at a particular site?
@djtaylorutube
Жыл бұрын
It's in the app and in the car. In the app, go to Location then Nearby chargers.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
easiest from the main display, select charging for a list of chargers then click the red indicator for the one you want, a window pops open with data
@stewartkingaby8615
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, didn’t know you could get it in the App. At present I’m getting ‘unknown error occurred’. I’ll try again later.
@stewartkingaby8615
Жыл бұрын
Tried again and it works. Thanks. I’m new to this as free 3,000 miles that came with car just expired. Next thing is prices in France and Italy. Tried Googling it but nothing useful comes up. Guess I’ll find out when we get there in September. PS, love the car, Tesla 3 Long Range.
@djtaylorutube
Жыл бұрын
@@stewartkingaby8615 Same process, just zoom out in the map, move it and zoom in for prices
@Ben-gm9lo
Жыл бұрын
Retraining our ICE ingrained brains to an EV mentality is the biggest hurdle when it comes to the charging stress. Too many new EV drivers sit for up to an hour so they can get their battery to 90 or 100%, because that is how they have done it for decades. The thought of only charging to 50% and then driving for 100 miles and STOPPING AGAIN is just a ghastly thought. So instead they sit in their cars, cursing the slow charger as their battery tops off and filling social media with their discontent. They are also blocking a charging point for dozens of minutes more than they should, denying others the ability to rapid charge and go. I wonder why we have queues from time to time... Perhaps we should all take mandatory training when we buy EVs... sigh.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
I'm with you Ben, I try to advise when I meet people but, yes, they never filled their petrol tank to the very top every time they filled up, but they do seem to think they have to reach 100% every time. Please watch my videos. thanks for your comment,
@tobycolin6271
Жыл бұрын
There’s 43,000 chargers in the uk 1 for every 15 BEVs on the road. I passed Swansea today (Sunday 20.8.23) there where two Teslas on charge the rest where empty. There may not be a need for many more chargers as the current sales rate is 300,000 BEVs a year however 60,000 BEVs came to the end of the 3 year PCP finance options . Next year will be the first year when 190,000 cars turn 3 years old. If as we know that most BEVs are company cars 190,000 cars will be replaced in the sales figures. The slow up take in secondhand market will see a 190,000 cars released on to the secondhand market if the second hand market remains slow there will only the new cars added to the road. The true Ada option figures for this year are 240,000 (300,000 -60,000 2020 cars at the end of lease) this true adoption rate is lower than the 2021 and 2022 sales. 2034 may see less than 110,000 BEVs added to the road (300,000 - 190,000 2021 cars) so I don’t see any need for any more infrastructure. 10 million car owners can’t charge from home.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Sorry Toby but that's a seriously confused misreading of the figures and a lack of understanding as to how leasing works. You somehow conclude that EV sales are shrinking and that 60,000 cars have simply disappeared and a further 190,000 cars are going to be removed somehow this year. A new car sale is a sale no matter whether it is bought by a customer with cash, a loan from a finance company or bank, or a lease from any leasing company. Tesla Motors Ltd gets a sale and gets paid in full. Full stop, end of story. It's a sale. Your confusion seems to come from Tesla Financial Services Ltd offering leases. Tesla Motors Ltd that builds and sells the cars, simply acts as a credit broker and introduces customers to Tesla Financial services Ltd. Tesla Financial Services Ltd therefore is the customer that buys the car outright. That's a sale. Pure and simple, a sale. Tesla Motors Ltd. gets paid and the sale goes down in their accounts as a sale. Tesla Motors Ltd has no further financial involvement in the monthly rental or the residual value. None. At the end of the lease, Tesla Financial Services Ltd sells that Tesla as a used car to whoever they want, maybe the customer, a used car dealer, a car auction or even back to Tesla, which of course, has to pay Tesla Financial Services Ltd for it. So, 190,000 (if that figure is accurate) ex-lease cars coming onto the used car market is absolutely brilliant; First, 190,000 customers are then without a car, back on the market and will likely lease another car, probably a new Tesla, which Tesla Motors Ltd. will sell to the leasing company, and second, because most people don't buy new, they buy used, so 190,000 new customers who couldn't afford new, will now be able to buy a used Tesla and if there are lots for sale, then the price will be lower. That's terrific news for used car buyers. I know you are trying to prove that EVs won't catch on and are failing, but it's not true. And your figure of 10 million EV owners can't charge at home appears to be a made up figure. PWC EV survey, totally independent and reputable, doesn't give a specific figure but states that 72% of all households have off road parking and can charge at home, and that many households have more than one car. So most EVs can and do charge at home. We do need more chargers, that's why Gridserve just got half a billion from investment banks. More please, not less.
@tobycolin6271
Жыл бұрын
@@davetakesiton the trouble is there’s no secondhand market the cars available for sale just keep growing. 16,000 cars available at the moment on autotrader up from 4000 available in January. The secondhand stock just keeps growing as people are keeping there ice cars for longer. The tsunami of 2021 cars coming up for the end of lease has all the traders with stock worried. We’ll see what happens next year. The sales figures are not growing fast enough as only company car buyers are buying BEVs in real quantities and the 800,000 company car ceiling has been more or less been used up. Next year we will see 190,000 replacement cars and 50,000 new customers circa 240,000 to 250,000 new cars. The true growth of adoption is 50,000 new cars a year from 2024 onwards and the whole car industry can see it. Dave your not very good at maths are you 28% of 33 million cars is 9.24 million cars that won’t have access to home charging Grid serve got half a million from the banks to improve it ESG score there isn’t a charger in the country that makes a profit. They lie empty half the time and return a maximum turn over off £75 and hour. An example of this is Bath council , who loose money every time they put a charger in a car park. That’s why the councillors are thinking about charging parking fees on top of charging fees. Grid serve did a financing evaluation of there infrastructure to return a 44 million pound on paper profit. The profit didn’t come from the up take of electricity from their chargers.
@johnharvey1786
Жыл бұрын
Dave actually explained why your 10,000,000 figure was probably incorrect. This was because many people have more than one car so many properties that can charge at home can charge more than one car. For example we have a drive and two cars that could charge at home, and a quick count shows there are 31 cars for the 14 properties close to us all with drives so thats an average of 2.2 cars per property that can all charge from home. To do an accurate review we would need to know the number of properties that can charge at home and how many cars of the total cars in the UK apply to these properties. Then you would have the remainder who would need non home charging. Having tried to find the answer to the question on google it only focuses on the number of properties without off street parking not how many cars are owned by people without off street parking, which is the number we need. Then we need to know and deduct how many of these cars that can’t charge at home are able to charge at work, which is a growing provision being provided by many employers and I have been involved in this. Then there other destination chargers such as supermarkets and the like that can be used. This will then advise on the true number of people who need service station charging at all times. Also the total number of EV’s will not be reached until approx 2043 - 2045 based on current new car purchase numbers so 20 years to deliver this not the 2030 date that seems to be used by some people as if all 33,000,000 cars will EV’s by the end of 2031. None of this means we don’t need to move faster with good reliable charging service stations and the local DNO grid upgrades to provide confidence that it will be done, as there will always be doubters if you don’t.
@johnharvey1786
Жыл бұрын
@@tobycolin6271 Of course I have been to Bath and other West Country towns. They don’t represent the whole country. To offset this Many people in the larger cities such as London don’t even have cars or if they do, they don’t use them often as public transport is reasonable and more convenient. East Anglia where I live has dreadful public transport so people do need cars and use them, but, being a largely a rural area probable has more than average off street parking. The only reason to cherry pick a single area it’s to work on the amount of service station charging required for that area based on the true demand for both residents and visitors. At the moment Norfolk, North of the A47 for example, has a high percentage of off street parking due to its rural location, but is very badly served by service station charging for those that don’t and visitors. As I said all is not perfect and I agree we need more accurate information and faster role out of service station charging but it’s not quite as bleak as some people think as Dave explains in the video.
@tobycolin6271
Жыл бұрын
@@johnharvey1786 they are large areas of the country with terraced houses , poor public infrastructure. The mining towns of the north east and the midlands the market towns of the south west. At least 4 million terraced homes with one car each not to mention plenty of other areas with poor transport. Yes the BEV does work if you have fox street parking but for most families (at least 4 million) BEVs are not the option. Look around the streets that where built in the 1930s of which there are many and tell us how we’re going to charge our cars. A BEV may work for you but there are 4 to 10million car owners that they don’t work for. But let’s not be bitter about it there’s only 50,000 new BEV owners adding to the company car users every year. My friends in the motor industry can’t get private owners in to BEVs despite the massive finance incentives.
@colingoode3702
Жыл бұрын
After much debate we bought our first EV recently & have absolutely no intention of using any public charging of any sort. Our EV will be charged at home during the day from free solar or, overnight on cheaper night rate electric. If we need to go further than the 280 mile range of our car then we will take my petrol estate car instead.
@chrispenn715
Жыл бұрын
Worth taking the plunge on public chargers. I often do long trips in my 270 range car. No more trouble than using my previous diesel as I generally take a break every 2-3 hours any way 😅
@colingoode3702
Жыл бұрын
@@chrispenn715 Understood. However, for me it's not so much having to stop for a break because, as you said, that's needed anyway, especially as you get older 😉. It's more to do with the rip off fast charging prices & the whole faff of having to have all the right Apps on your phone, being a member of this charging club or another to get the "best rip off" prices & are the chargers working or even free which needs another App to check in advance before you arrive. TBF I also avoid motorway petrol stations where possible in my ICE car as well because they are far too expensive for petrol. It's all just too much hassle for my pensioner brain to deal with. And I think that is the main point for the older generation who are not so savvy with all the tech needed for modern day life. There was a time when I considered myself up to speed with most tech in my working life. I got on great with tele pagers when they came out, my first Motorola Walkie-Talkie phone with a separate brick for a battery & Lotus 123 on a 5.25 inch floppy disk drive PC that took up half of my office desk. However, those days have now passed & I now need to consult my son for most things PC or phone App related. I retired a few years ago for a simpler life, not a more complicated one! Nope, I'll stick with my ICE estate car for our longer trips & holidays. I only do around 6-8k miles annually these days plus there's no "affordable" estate EV out there that could match my current car for space & practicality (the MG5 is too small) so I'll be keeping my current car for a quite while longer. Meanwhile our used 22 plate Kona is doing fine & my wife & I love it. It's the fastest car she's ever driven (apart from mine) & it's not too big for local use & car parks & it has the range to get her anywhere she needs to go & back home without having to worry about charging en-route. Of course that's assuming she remembers to start out with enough charge in the first place!! Just like her old ICE cars, she does like to run the tank down to nearly empty before remembering to refuel. Telling me that the EV needs a charge at home half an hour before she wants to go on a 100 mile round trip doesn't really work with a 7.4kW home charger or solar so it's something she will have to understand & plan ahead for.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
EVs are ideal for home charging, just what they are intended for, but don't reject the public charging. An extra £20 per charge over home prices is still cheaper than buying fossil fuels. Try it
@ronaldgarrison8478
Жыл бұрын
3:07 Looks like really…inept parking. Por dios.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Rather inept comment, that's not my car, don't you watch the video?
@ronaldgarrison8478
Жыл бұрын
@@davetakesiton I didn't say it was.
@geoffpeters8843
Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks, Geoff for your contribution, it is always very rewarding to find that my videos are so popular, Dave
@Isclachau
Жыл бұрын
This video is depressing. You can already see the business men and Government planning the expensive ownership model for EV owners. The idea of cheap EV driving is clearly going to disappear as the years roll by now.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
I'm enjoying it while I can, would never go back to expensive smelly fossil fuel, ever again.
@Isclachau
Жыл бұрын
@@davetakesiton I hear you. But remember fossil fuels are cheap, tax isn’t. As for EV’s not being smelly well….. theres an obvious joke there but I don’t want to offend the EV zealots as they can be delicate. 😊
@gripper79
Жыл бұрын
Well dave it seems like your retired and have all the time in the world to go charge your car up at 8am on a bank holiday weekend the majority of people will set off will a full charge or full tank of fuel knowing they doing the miles then need a top up on there way home plus your not taking conditions into the equation such as having a/c on on a hot day or heated seats which drains EV's batteries like when people review EV's they turn every thing off to get the range , there only practical if your retired and have all the time in the world sitting at a change point at midnight
@davidwilson4468
Жыл бұрын
I am retired and have no pressing need to be anywhere at any particular time, but I hate wasting time. I certainly don't sit around in service stations for an hour, nor do I spend hours in supermarkets doing the shopping.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to retiring. I don't do 20,000 miles for fun, I still work, admittedly part time. If anybody out there was offered free tickets to see their favourite pop star, or a meet and greet with their favourite film star, even many miles away, I absolutely guarantee they would find the time, find babysitters, and be there for as long as they were allowed. Priorities!
@robburrows2737
Жыл бұрын
I was at a busy dedicated Tesla Superchargers with an ID.4 driver trying to hook up. None of us Tesla drivers said anything. The fear I'd that anyone so daft in the first place could be a nutter and pointing out the obvious could make him kick off. He was persistent and I think he may have been testing it out in an arrogant way. Anyway, the couple of general chargers a about 50 meters away were queuing up so he really wasted his time.
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
I'm just entering my Victor Meldrew stage of life, I would have had a chat with him
@Jaw0lf
Жыл бұрын
Why are you using common sense again?? Seems a rare commodity as has previously been said! I travel routes that do not go near Tesla superchargers, but like you, avoid where possible, the busy times as well as missing the Motorway services as much as possible, Never waited more than a couple of minutes to charge and only once have had a very slow charge, but it was great to chat with the other EV drivers whilst waiting. EV's and common sense go along together. I use rapid chargers about 10 times a year and only for smaller top ups to eneble me to reach home and top up cheaply. Finally we do need something to stop non charging cars parking. Maybe a camera in each charger?
@davetakesiton
Жыл бұрын
Common sense? I thought everyone had it.Strange. Yes we need a method to penalise those who park inappropriately. Suggestions?
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