Just wanted to add to the other comments, your video is awesome. I like how in the end you emphasis that “no common good” is the basic tenet of modernity. I have a Masters in Politics and I’m enlisted in the Army and I often find myself having to tell other Americans: “Why do you care so much about just your team winning and how your team feels about history? Why do you think it just fine that the point of all our lives is to work to support our family and friends when this should NOT be an end goal for a just society (rather a given)? Have you thought about the fact that it is 2022, new models of perfectly useable tech wastefully comes out yearly, we are destroying Nature and humanity has instant global communication but yet no shared goal?” I know I’m ranting there, but I hope the through-line can be seen there that much of our lives outside of the pursuit of true masculinity is already lots of surrogate activities, especially for men these days who tend to revere Nature less and less. We are atomized, we are told to be good patriots and consumers, and we are told to “be positive”, “rise and grind”, and “stay blessed” while our world becomes emptied of those Aristotlean ethics you had up in your video.
@User-jd3pt
Жыл бұрын
I like your view point and wonder what you would define true masculinity as
@acex222
Жыл бұрын
@@User-jd3pt True masculinity is realising "true masculinity" doesn't mean anything to anyone.
@seeker11
Жыл бұрын
Why you can't understand something so simple as the existence of smart unbiased humans and close minded biased humans throughout history and today? Do you perhaps need a Doctorate to figure that out?
@RayWI6
Жыл бұрын
Love the new wave of content that's being produced by Eastern European creators. The Algorithm embraces it.
@z1sania
Жыл бұрын
He is from Georgia, it's the Caucasus region, a place that has way different schemes of values than most of Eastern European countries.
@Lesboi
Жыл бұрын
@@z1sania caucus is like Northern Iran they even look similar
@jackwalters5506
Жыл бұрын
I'm making a prediction that his problem with the "return to masculinity" trend is that it tends to still operate in the realm of modernity, and so serves to accomplish no ultimate purpose. It is adopting the aesthetics of traditionalism without actually being traditionalist
@jackwalters5506
Жыл бұрын
Looks like I was basically right
@adonayshot
Жыл бұрын
I am Just here to see If he is gonna talk some pozzed post structuralist academic shit
@dehaman_4_144
Жыл бұрын
Wait. What is the ultimate purpose of a tradition?
@dehaman_4_144
Жыл бұрын
I would argue Traditionalism also has no end game. No ultimate goal.
@jackwalters5506
Жыл бұрын
@@dehaman_4_144 then you don't know what traditionalism is. Research it yourself I'm not your servant
@andv993
Жыл бұрын
I just discovered you, and I have to say that your videos are of astounding quality. The depth of analysis and how well structured they are, it just amazes me. Keep up the good content
@kevinbenavides8126
Жыл бұрын
"it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society" J. Krishnamurti
@Narasthenics
Жыл бұрын
As someone who has contributed to this trend I 100% agree with you, most videos of this genre are ridden with contradictions that make it difficult to convey a coherent message. Now I think it's overall a positive force in the world as the opposite side has lost it's mind. However not every RMEM video is the same and some manage to get a good message across while avoiding the shady side of the modern fitness industry.
@matsanw
Жыл бұрын
I think it's more about motivation than anything else, and not some political/philosophical statement. Most doing it at very young anyway. I like this sort of content for motivation myself even though i can also notice the weird contradictions of characters used sometimes. In the end criticisms like the one in the video help a lot to help with focus, which is badly needed in some of these circles if it wants to do something more meaningful.
@andyclaw2785
Жыл бұрын
I find it pretty funny when they have Patrick Bateman included in these RMEM videos when Patrick himself has severe porn addiction. It appears fighting fire with fire is not really that effective. I guess they admired his daily self care routine which is good for him. However, that does not hide the fact that he is a despicable killer and all of his actions still indicate that he is indeed a modern world man. Idolizing a fictional serial killer is definitely another trait of modernity when killers are super romanticized in tv shows and movies alike which includes fictional and real life serial killers. Overall, these edgy Patrick Bateman edits just defeat the purpose of “Rejecting Modernity” as they initially claimed to be against
@matsanw
Жыл бұрын
Thought this would be another "it's bad because it's toxic and promotes phobias and isms" but thankfully it wasn't. Great video. I think perhaps most people doing this type of content are very young and not very well educated yet, but are using these images and symbols as a means of motivation only. But the correction is appreciated, after all, learning is also growth. Precision in ideas should come with time i believe.
@anims1414
Жыл бұрын
I already know this is gonna be a banger vid.
@94tilwhenever91
Жыл бұрын
This was an excellent video essay. I'm looking forward to all your future productions.
@eze7902
Жыл бұрын
Simply Amazing..... This channel probably is one of the best things that have happened to me on KZitem
@malodos2295
Жыл бұрын
What i think masculinity is, its the need and ability for a man to achieve a dream, a dream beyond even himself. Whether be it to have and protect a family, establish a kingdom or just living independently as your own self unshackled by bigger forces. This definition of masculinity does not change regardless of your generation or economical structure, the bigger the purpose and dream, the bigger the hardships. I think what the trend of "reject modernity" is that the comfort of modernity brought on its people a soft and pampered environment that got rid of most human's past problems, which like you said brings the warrior from men as a side effect of having no challenges. With no challenges, the person does not need to evolve or adapt, staying still in recondition of his progress-less self. The trend of "reject modernity" is to just to oppose the comfortable life style of the west and the first world in confusion of a goal or a problem. Not living to make a dream come true, but to escape from a nightmare that was never there, creating struggling men with no sense of self or balance.
@cafolaadee5920
Жыл бұрын
This is literally the most perfect explanation ive seen so far
@malodos2295
Жыл бұрын
@@cafolaadee5920 I appreciate it a lot
@Camstraction
Жыл бұрын
Interesting I always thought of that concept as human not masculine or feminine. My first formal introduction to this concept was in The Second Sex by Simone de Beauvoir when she touched on this notion of transcendence and everything related to it being seen as masculine and imminence and everything related to it being seen as feminine. I’ve noticed this is a pretty pervasive attitude that many people hold without realizing. I’m curious and would be thankful if you’d elaborate why you think transcendence or to “dream beyond yourself” is masculine in nature as opposed to feminine or just human nature.
@malodos2295
Жыл бұрын
@@Camstraction I always thought of humanity as not a single entity, but one divided in many ways, one of the two main divides of it being sex, male and female, both different physically and psychologically. Masculinity originating from men, by set of its attributes means being assertive, strong and self-controlled. While femininity originating from women, by set of its attributes would mean to be passive, passionate and empathetic. Now of course both are not strictly exclusive to sex, its not rare to find a women with masculine traits or a man with feminine traits, but generally speaking, as these traits originated from each sex, they commonly are set to their appropriate one. Everyone dreams of going beyond themselves, even women of the modern world, and even they want and try to experience hardships and suffering as stated in the video, but rarely to the extent of men. And the thing about masculinity, its not just to want, but to need and be able to achieve a dream. and that's never meant to be easy. Hardships of following a long-term goal can be extremely stressful and spawn negative emotions. You'll need to be assertive to take advantage of even slim opportunities. Controlled to never fall under the stress and negative emotions of hardships and suffering, and strength can go a long way in many careers, although in the modern world its not very necessary. These are traits found in masculinity, masculinity commonly found in men makes generalizing the idea of masculinity to associate with achieving a dream make sense to me. Although those are just my thoughts, i may be incorrect.
@Adam-kf6lr
Жыл бұрын
Nailed it!
@tunguskanchief3976
Жыл бұрын
Came for the meme, stayed for the analysis of modernity. Loved this video!
@geromesoriano
Жыл бұрын
im thinking maybe the rise of wholesome memes can point towards some solution to this meaning crisis. this video essay reminds of me of a couple of memes: 1 the group of weight lifters saying that they lift weights so that they can help people move heavy appliances 2 the short video of a grandfather working out to prepare himself for this meeting with his grandchildren, so that he would be able to carry them. also makes me think what is the anti thesis/ opposite/ antidote to surrogate meanings then. great essay again kudos!
@mongiwekhaya1201
Жыл бұрын
very impressive. Insightful. In South Africa, there is a concept that has slowly been buried over the last two decades: I Am Because We Are The final and necessary line in the sand of developing oneself for the sake of the community is being wiped away. In the end all is suffering and we all get to choose. It's just amazing how less and less people choose community. This is how the metaverse will get everyone...
@poli.f.0nia
Жыл бұрын
Ubuntu
@lamontkhoza2856
Жыл бұрын
@@poli.f.0nia I've heard that term used a lot from older men here in South Africa what does it mean? Is it a form of respect/honor
@Flavor190
Жыл бұрын
This is a really awesome video. it gives you a lot to chew on about the reasons you choose values that serve no greater purpose. Would love a video diving more into what creates higher purposes.
@mikeceebo8611
Жыл бұрын
I keep seeing this in the comments 'serve no greater purpose'. Do you really see no greater purpose in striving to a better person, or in this case a better man when you're a man? Striving to not be weak, to act like an adult, to apply yourself in both the physical and the mental challenges?
@UNcappedRAVEN
Жыл бұрын
@@mikeceebo8611 It's about what your definition of a "better man" is. Without a real idea of what is better or worse you cannot really strive for anything meaningful. You need a real end goal to work towards, "applying yourself" on its own does not mean anything. You have to be working towards something greater than the act itself. Acting like an adult sounds great but the modern definition and vision of what an adult is is insufficient. What you are describing is not a greater purpose but instead only the actions one would take for the sake of a greater purpose. These things cannot be goals in themselves.
@cafolaadee5920
Жыл бұрын
@@mikeceebo8611 YES my guy, finally somene who understands
@mikeceebo8611
Жыл бұрын
@@UNcappedRAVEN nah, I don't buy that at all. These acts are easily and definitely better than what these 'embrace masculinity' videos tend to show on the first, 'bad' half (though I would generally say that both halves are usually over the top and kinda satirical). Even if there is no end goal or purpose, with which I also disagree, by the way. Just building yourself up for no apparent reason is a virtue in itself. The reason or goal may or may not come later and if it does, you'll be better prepared for the challenge.
@UNcappedRAVEN
Жыл бұрын
@@mikeceebo8611 I do agree with you that it's much better than what is usually displayed in the first half of the videos. However I believe that the titles of the videos are a lie in that what they are advocating for is not a rejection of modernity but instead just another form of it. This type of self improvement, the type done without an external reason or goal but instead acts as a goal on its own is still a form of modernity. It's not exactly bad and it's certainly better than having no goal or purpose whatsoever but I don't think it's the best and I really believe that such actions and efforts are better when applied for the sake of a greater purpose outside of the effort itself. I believe there are greater things in life to strive for than being healthy, becoming a functional adult, hard work and endurance of suffering. These things are very good but I believe that they are only a means to an end.
@1lobster
Жыл бұрын
The problem with Macho guys is selfishness. The Macho man sacrifices temporary pleasure for longterm health. Similar to the Good Man. But the Macho man is only interested in his personal health and prosperity, where the Good Man lives to provide for others. Such as his wife(s) children, parents, neighbors, etc.
@SuperMario2401
Жыл бұрын
👍
@cafolaadee5920
Жыл бұрын
You come to this conclusion based on what?? You are generalizing this whole group based on fucking what?? You, my guy, are being selfish
@jlall4467
Жыл бұрын
You consume temporary pleasure because it feels good. People do that for themselves. either eat junk food or not. Either way, you are doing it for yourself. If you are to choose between them, not eating junk food Is the best option (assuming you have the option, since it is better to eat junk food than nothing), since it shows to have positive effects to your mental health. Should life just be about getting healthy?. Of course not, but it's better to be healthy than not.
@joshjonson2368
Жыл бұрын
personal health and prosperity is all that would remain with you because nothing and nobody will
@LordBackuro
Жыл бұрын
In a modern World being a stoic macho man and selfish "sigma." is knda the only way to escape the possibility of being betrayed or scammed by this world. With how selfish women and lots of these new age weirdo people are it’s only fair. Selfish macho men are imo less worse than all the annoying walking embodiments of the 7 sins we got now. You don’t like it??? Well pft blame the internet which is the main perpetrator of all this BS, not us.
@SlickDissident
Жыл бұрын
With this brilliance, you have obligated yourself to (re-)watching Ghostdog. Well done.
@steveboel12
Жыл бұрын
Been having lots of those videos in my feed recently, your video gave some new insights. great stuff
@malayman80085
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video! Always felt that the videos felt shallow. I'm wondering now why these take off so much. If 'embrace masculinity' were to be more in line with the Greeks it certainly wouldn't have gained traction. Fundamentally modern man cannot see beyond himself (if I'm using moderninity framework) and so explaining masculinity as trying to sacrifice for a higher good (that is greater than the individual) feels inherently wrong since people are severely detached from anything beyond them. I say all this because I definitely have fallen into the idea of oooga booga build big muscles for big muscles but really, unless there is some alternative to sooth my need for 'growth' I'll be stuck here
@Sisyphus-eh5gz
Жыл бұрын
Very well done. I’ve read many of the same authors you’ve referenced. You’ve clearly understood them and added something new in applying to our contemporary situation. Cheers.
@scythermantis
Жыл бұрын
Everything at the beginning of this really resonates with John Vervaeke's "Awakening from the Meaning Crisis."
@amanofnoreputation2164
Жыл бұрын
The idea that man used to have a solid purpose oriented towards ends rather than means, and that therefore we are living in a fallen world, is misleading to my mind. The reason this orientation collapsed wasn't because some external devil came in and disrupted it -- it was a calling from inside the structure of the pre-modern world. Reason did not usurp God because reason _is_ the godhead in another form: the logos. So what we find is that if the existential situation is solid, it tends towards liquidity. It is like ice that is melting. If it is liquid then it tends towards solidity, as manifest by the meaning crisis and the search for meaning in individual life. It is not the case that solidity is good and liquidity is bad, but rather that the human essence demands both and that these opposites are coalescing towards a union.
@User-jd3pt
Жыл бұрын
I would like to understand what your saying so correct me if I’m wrong- are you suggesting that we will eventually reach a middle ground between liquidity and solidity. If you do are you able to describe what that balance would look like
@doswallo
Жыл бұрын
Man, I love this channel.
@LordBackuro
Жыл бұрын
One thing I personally think you got wrong about this whole thing, is calling it materialistic. I don’t think it is materialistic. Its goal was in escaping the meaningless decadence, of hyper comfortability. Which is why Patrick Bateman and so many of these seemingly terrible people are so idolized. Because they are people who although violently escaped it are poster children of why, this hyper modern ultra purposeless overly humanistic world is so terrible to live in. By getting a healthy body and self improvement, you’re rejecting the notion of living in comfort and give yourself challenge, you smash materialism and rebuild it into a goal. The goal of self improvement which is the first step to achieving purpose as a man, to escape the things holding you back and prevent yourself from becoming a annoying walking embodiment of the seven deadly sins. Being weak is alright but staying weak when you don’t have too is not. To me it’s like feminism but without the penis-envy.
@derbucherwurm
Жыл бұрын
beautiful video. I can understand that really because I suffer under a depression and the meaningless living in modernity and the subjectivity i think it goes really deep down in modernity and his thinking about modern man. I personally reject the reject modernity and embrace Masculinity because it is without essence of the soul and only materialistic in his aspects like the Fast Food Eater their criticize.
@nekosaiyajin8529
Жыл бұрын
Healthy food isn't disgusting or "unsavory". It's very good and delicious depending on what you eat.
@jtrealfunny
12 күн бұрын
This is a great look into our current existential angst. The US is a very wealthy country; and the people are struggling to enjoy the bounty, to live happy lives. I now live in a poor rural part of a different country, people are subsistence farmers here, they live in tit knit communities, grow up with lots of life and death, and they have such happier lives. The words always come up short trying to explain it because you can only know it if you live it, it's an experiential understanding of a different way of life, a different society. I developed my perspective through yoga and I always feel like classical yoga never gets enouch credit in philosophical and scientific circles. It sits between all these different disciplines and religion and to my mind unites and transcends them. And yogic philosophy hasn't been eroded by science, it's as solid now as ever. Take it from the man.
@guy6390
Жыл бұрын
Man dezz buff peps got me act up
@user-vn4yw8dt3m
Жыл бұрын
This is a stellar display of what I hate about philosophy: Discussing definitions. And overcomplicating simple things. There is no contradiction. Guys just want to be strong, and they want people to know that they're strong. If you're strong and people know that you're strong, you get what you want. That's what it's about. Most people won't think about modernity and masculinity in this complicated way. They don't read definitions and discuss it in university before they use these words. They just use them the way that feels right - that is, how everybody is using them. My gut feeling as to what common people would understand of 1. Modernity: Weakness. Karens. Helicopter parents, overprotectiveness. Don't breathe - there's already enough CO2 in the atmosphere. Also you could spread a mildly deadly disease. The gist is to be passive, careful, stay back, don't engage. Always be nice. If you don't feel like being nice, (literally) cry for help instead of finding your own solution and becoming strong and capable, since being strong and capable means you could hurt someone. 2. Masculinity: Power, dominance, brute force to do whatever pleases you. One could additionally say masculinity somehow is connected to tradition, but it's like an unimportant part that everybody glosses over more and more. What even is tradition anyway? Is going to church on sundays enough? Do I have to open the door for every woman, or just my wife? These are serious discussion points I got from people. Average people really don't have an idea of traditionalism -- of course they don't. Being raised in a world where "traditions" only exist as excuses for drinking or giving gifts (bribery of friends/family), and not learning about it in school, of course the average Joe has no idea what in the world the guy in this video is even ranting about. So someone as ignorant as me sees these greek statues as a symbol for strong people, people that were capable of realising their will, capable of violence to protect their family or just to fulfill any egoistical need. These big temples that have lasted for thousands of years prove the strength of the societies that build them - dominating over nature; they're not a complicated symbol for ideas that were deep and meaningful enough to supposedly last forever. Ofcourse, the old greeks might've hated this overly simplistic interpretation of what they've left behind, but why would any modern person bother with what dead people wanted ;) Still, nice food for thought. Learned stuff. Keep it up
@pxh6129
Жыл бұрын
There is both overcomplication and oversimplification in academia (often the former), and it is important you could recognize them both. But what he say is really nothing complex or obtuse at all, it's you that's dragging concepts dumber down to your basic level of philosophy (which is null). Try reading the books he mentions in the video first, maybe
@issdn4023
Жыл бұрын
"Modernity is weakness" but "why would any modern person (masculine man) bother with what dead people wanted" you're so fucking brain-dead, you forget what you've said 3 sentences later. Your "simple definitions" is some goofy biased 14 year old bro talk and are simply wrong. That is exactly why you are supposed to read academic definitions like a real disciplined man so that you don't spread bullshit. The real simple problem next to more nuanced logical contradictions is that people who proclaim themselves masculine as in these videos are absurdly retarded kids who take esthetic concepts, are too lazy to understand them, botch them and then use them as a weapon to attack strangers instead of use them as intended purpose - which is to improve themselves. You're not masculine, you're not strong, disciplined, constainly improving. You're uneducated kid who uses someone's else botched legacy to attack others.
@user-vn4yw8dt3m
Жыл бұрын
@@issdn4023 you don't seem to realize that i've done this on purpose. its called rhetoric. maybe you should educated yourself more :P "The real simple problem [...] are [...] kids who take esthetic concepts, are too lazy to understand them" it's actually kind of interesting how these people are living their life, they understand it instinctively, but you're telling them they are stupid and don't make sense and they should follow your definitions. it's like you just dont like this trend and try to find the words to justify your hate, instead of actually trying to understand what's going on (which actually sums up most social studies imo). you sound like some academic person that's completely detached from real life :D
@user-vn4yw8dt3m
Жыл бұрын
@@pxh6129 My whole point is that he's connecting dots in the video no one else seems to connect not because he's smart and everybody else is stupid, which seems to be his argument, but rather because his fundamental assumptions (definitions of the words) are different. Surely reading the books mentioned would help me discuss *his* definitions, but they wouldn't challenge my argument in the least.
@issdn4023
Жыл бұрын
@@user-vn4yw8dt3m First of all, if you think rhetoric means making a contradictory argument then you probably just did a biggest self own in the history. Secondly, nowhere have I said that they should use my definitions. If men want to be portrayed as strong by other people they have to go by the collectively accepted definitions and not what they "instinctively" understand or believe "strong" means. Either way, you and they aren't strong by any accepted definition and if you like to create your own titles and then crown yourself with these titles then I recommend you take a career path as a clown after you graduate the primary school.
@z1sania
Жыл бұрын
Another masterpiece. Impressed. Great video! And narration!
@frenchtoast9387
Жыл бұрын
The problem that I have with this video is that the premise of this video mandates a rigid definition. There is not. There is no manifesto, no central piece of literature, or even a central leading figure for this trend. It's a mass of separate individuals that post videos with varying contents and messages. I have never seen Bateman or rarely seen bodybuilders in those videos. I have seen firefighters, construction workers, farmers, soldiers, etc. Working out for me personally and for potentially like-minded individuals serves the purpose of maintaining a healthy and strong body which in turn serves as a reliable foundation for all endeavors in life. How can we be the protectors, builders, feeders, or generally the pillars of society if there is an imbalance between body and mind? If we neither know what our bodies are capable of nor how to use them? What ultimate goal is there in today's life other than to realize your responsibility to be strong and healthy for the people that rely on you? Finally: Is my personal interpretation subject to the same flaws without me realizing it?
@truthinck8853
Жыл бұрын
From literature it is clear to me that the Greeks had the most wise metaphysical/spiritual way of living, as you said a higher purpose, for the betterment of society. The problem started with the switch of Western society to the Judeo Christian spirituality/metaphysical thinking, which unlike the Greeks it was used to control the population, and excused the pain and suffering of peasants with the promise of eternal life, "unnecessary pain". Pain is a necessary ingredient for the ultimate human goal of pleasure, but too much of it obviously cannot be sustained. That is why modernity unshackled itself from this type of spirituality "broken the solidness", and has entered a period of liquidness in search of a logical compromise between pain and pleasure.
@dehaman_4_144
Жыл бұрын
I completely agree that the Greeks were the most wise in terms of metaphysics and spirituality. However, there is a problem. There was the problem that led to Christianity. Inequality. Ancient greeks, romans after them, had a lot of slaves... who converted to Christianity in masses. The slaves had nothing metaphysical or spiritual for them and Christianity was the way out. I can only guess that Islam will be the way out in modern days for billions of unfortunate.
@truthinck8853
Жыл бұрын
@@dehaman_4_144 I don't know much about Islam, but I think the world will move away from any religion who claims to know for certain what happens after death or makes promises in the afterlife. Maybe There Will be religion that accepts that there are things we may never understand and be okay with it.
@dehaman_4_144
Жыл бұрын
@@truthinck8853 Why do you think like that? The problem is inequality. Billions of people are in unsolvable poverty. Moreover, people in rich countries are too depressed regardless of enjoying wealth of their nations. I don't think afterlife is a relevant problem today.
@truthinck8853
Жыл бұрын
@@dehaman_4_144 The problem I have with these religions is that they make the common man think that it's okay to be in poverty and suffer in this life because they promise a better one after. People need to realize that this is the only life we know and we should strive to be better ourselves now.
@y0gokvlt
Жыл бұрын
very good deconstruction, i've always anticipated that you would dive into postmodernism and some refference to pre-WW2 culture, in my opinion this also symptom of meta-naratives decay and then being responded as a campaign advocating traditional life in other words, Conservatism i.e. Family Values, Faith and Religion and God, comradery etc
@peacefuldecadence328
Жыл бұрын
Romanticise of traditional values like wtf is that do you even have eyes can you see what the other face of the coin brought to the world a pregnant man a f trans church minister fatherless households rise of crimes and gender pronouns the change of words meaning go watch "what is a woman" and tell me the African tribe who never met you and your postmodernism is less "insert positive adjective" than you.
@y0gokvlt
Жыл бұрын
@@peacefuldecadence328 relax dude, maybe this just missunderstanding, sorry for my bad english
@Al-eu5fm
Жыл бұрын
What an awesome channel 👍
@MrJ.3
Жыл бұрын
👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿Another Fantastic Analysis.
@psusac
Жыл бұрын
Great stuff! Thanks for doing this!
@reflection8599
Жыл бұрын
He’s ripped brah
@Kojoller
Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of content that a KZitem named Natural Hypertrophy does. He calls out novices who start lifting weights and call themselves power lifters when in reality they want to look good like bodybuilders. Maybe what you talked about here points to the initial fact that men say they want to be functional rather then aesthetic because there is something in them telling them that worrying about looks is more feminine. I originally started out like this too. Thinking I just wanted to be strong. However I realized I also wanted to be perceived as strong. In some way bodybuilding might be a good way for some men to integrate their feminine side. But I think that if one doesn’t acknowledge their true motives it can be destructive. Even lead to self abuse like taking steroids.
@nickmo.6049
Жыл бұрын
So, the dad bod is the true expression via the male form in the context of modernity. It represents sacrifice for the family, and stoic acceptance of the flesh but also conveys modern decadence through its tubbiness. So, it’s the modern version of what the Greek statues represented in the statues’ own time.
@mrtheluckybucket
Жыл бұрын
The greek statues didn't represent the modern decadence of the time, it's literally an idealistic version of what top athletes should strive to be and what Gods would look like.
@m1ddo421
Жыл бұрын
This was extremely fascinating once again and prompted a lot of reflection and interesting ideas, thank you
@m1ddo421
Жыл бұрын
In the end, my question is how does somebody find a Telos or Purpose? If somebody decides on a goal, is it arbitrary and just another thing made up in order to work towards, in a manner similar to a surrogate activity, or is it a true 'purpose'?
@liquidoxygen819
Жыл бұрын
I guess I would quibble with you a bit in two places. First, I agree with your argument that in pre-modernity, simply existing was both holistic and harsh enough to provide real meaning and draw out real masculinity; that real masculinity emanates from the simple need to be tough to survive and imbues it with its true flavor. There was nothing artificial about it, or, as you say, nothing was surrogate. Its substance was the holistic reality of just being alive and its accidents were the characteristics that kept you alive. I don't think, however, that that is to the necessary exclusion of the sculpting of the body for aesthetic purposes, or the sense of satisfaction that rises through achievement despite hardships. It comes down to the simple reality of beauty as an absolute and definitional good-unto-itself: beauty is definitionally good, therefore the achievement and instantiation of beauty is good. Setting a goal of beauty and working ferociously to achieve it is good, and you're entitled to the joy of struggle because you are oriented towards an abject good. There's extra meaning slathered on top when you are existing in a harsh, pre-modern paradigm, because, as you say, you might be strapped for time and exhausted. As a result, the achievement of aesthetics (or strength) takes on an even richer reality if they're able to be achieved: the good has been achieved despite even higher barriers, and is therefore sweeter. Challenge yields [at least some sort of, or modicum of] meaning. I will also hand it to Tradition-devoid gym bros in one regard: they are able to hold to something weak-willed others are not, and their instantiations of beauty are redeeming aspects of their attitudes. It's good and eugenic to be beautiful (bodybuilding): women desire muscular men and even report higher rates of sexual satisfaction as a result of being with muscular men. It's good and noble to be meet standards (powerlifting): honor, glory, fame, and earned respect are cornerstones of society and are spiritual essences that ground human networks. It's good and practical to be strong (strongman & calisthenics): being strong means you will have a handier time navigating through life, more life to live, and a better quality of life. I think it's good to balance out all three. Bodybuilding to the exclusion of all else is something I suppose I can appreciate, but fundamentally I believe in cutting each one with the other two. Old-school bodybuilders have complained before about the lack of strength and capability in younger guys, for what it's worth, and I think they're right on the money. Regarding steroids, I don't think they're introduced as a "surrogate danger". I don't even think they're especially dangerous, since you can and should use them responsibly and with mindfulness & education. I think they are useful tools to help you achieve good things, like strength and beauty. I don't think anyone takes steroids with the conception that they're "surrogate dangers" anywhere in their mind, whether in their consciousness, sub-conscious or unconscious. Zyzz had an undiagnosed heart condition, and took a lot of recreational drugs, according to my understanding, meanwhile, guys from the Golden Era who all took steroids are either still kicking or lived full lives. "Post physique" is a deadly challenge for a reason.
@slothznpelicanz
Жыл бұрын
I don't agree with your ideas of the RMEM videos, but I still enjoyed and appreciate your perspective. These videos are created by numerous different people. Some videos I interpret more focused on bodybuilding, others inspiring men throughout history, others motivational clips of athletic performance or heroism. I take these videos as more of a subjective and artistic portrayal, rather than academically accurate representations, of modernity or masculinity. They aren't created to pose an argument, but more to inspire and motivate people to reach their goals. As for arguing modern men's motivations towards being muscular or disciplined, you'll have to ask each individual. I'm sure some do it just for vanity or sport, but others do it to improve their health, be a better husband/father/member of society, honor their religion or family, etc. The specifics and appearance of masculinity are different across cultures, geography and time periods, but the feel and energy stays the same. Many modern cultures are suppressing that energy, which is why I believe these videos started. Just because we can't embrace old world masculinity, doesn't make the quest for a newer brand of masculinity pointless.
@jcdenton2907
Жыл бұрын
Something always rubbed me the wrong way about those videos, especially the ones with the blue collar workers. It's utilitarian and effeminate in the way it wears masculinity as a skinsuit without any substance. When you have absent fathers you get young men embracing these exaggerated and distorted visions of masculinity. The cult of the body has precedence but so does philosophy and creativity. I think young men should be encouraged to cultivate the mind and the soul along with the body. Especially when most people are borderline illiterate and cut off from their personal and cultural history. A man isn't just a series of muscle groups or a job function. He's a soul with a God given purpose, with an ancestry and a culture
@erickg667
Жыл бұрын
The message of this trend isn't that bad by itself. It's moreso the characters they're trying to link it to, who are in the end a result of the same modernity. Only changing the icons in those memes would definitely have a better impact in the way people approach fitness and life in general. Personally I love training in the gym, but roided bodybuilders or a rich psychopath who says "YOU cAn AlWasYs Be SKInnieR, LoOK BettEr" are something I can't relate to. Just keep the greek statues if so. Along with these videos, it also comes the idea of "grind" which you slightly addressed when talking about the warrior archetype, but I think that has an an even worse impact, since not many people "grind" towards a true, noble conviction; to me it's more labour exploitation and capitalist machinery in disguise.
@fortunemaster668
Жыл бұрын
Great and in depth essay on the issues of modern culture. You really showed a new point of view which I've never seen before. But I have to disagree on one topic of Machiavelli and Machiavellian. Looks like you've either mixed two together or didn't understand his writings, because first ones strives to achieve something good, while second one is inherently evil. While hid ideas state that "ends justifies the means", it doesn't end there. Firstly, there is no disregard of morality, as he acknowledges that one must take it into consideration even if one doesn't value it because others do value. Secondly, he condemns unnecessary evil, such as an example of one prince killing his father and brother to get into power and then proceeded to rule with fear, when he could have preserved those good connections for long term gains(even though it's materialistic view, it still values normal relationships. Thirdly, he preferred more democratic republic over tyrannical kingdoms. And finally, there was a clear end goal - a powerful state which can deflect dangers and protect its citizens. He himself stated that good politician and good citizen are two different entities and their virtues are thus different. There is still a lot of traditionalism which a road of suffering where both people and politician himself(due to psychological tall) have to endure, which leads to an end with a common good - a strong state. The means seem bad, until you look into the context of 50 years of war with entire Europe attending to the festival, where quote "idiots ruined the states and mercenaries plundered the land", then you start to understand that cry for someone strong, even if ruthless, to finally stop that slaughterhouse
@zerotwo7319
Жыл бұрын
Thank god modernity exists. He knows what he is doing and it is necessary that we accept it with all our hearts.
@whatsinameme5258
Жыл бұрын
Best video on the internet. This phenomenon reminds me of John the Savage from Brave New World. At the end, (spoilers) he rejected the pleasure oriented society, and lived off grid. He drank mustard to induce vomiting, rolled around in thorn bushes, and decided he wanted to suffer. But it didn't matter. He was always an atomized individual. He never belonged anywhere or had purpose. His motivation was purely emotional. And eventually the emotional satisfaction from this painful rebellion wanes, and you give up on that as well. I have noticed parallels between John and myself and my life. And this self awareness has made me deeply disturbed by those propping up Patrick Bateman as the OG Sigma Male role model... """"Ironically"""" of course...
@Adam-kf6lr
Жыл бұрын
Brings to mind Enkidu, for some reason
@Laotzu.Goldbug
Жыл бұрын
I think there's something more fundamental. The real problem with the people pushing this trend, aside from all the lack of nuance and context, and the focus on sheer superficial aesthetics over deep substance, is that they don't actually understand what _masculinity_ is to begin with. They have a vague notion of the image of it, but absolutely no understanding of its function.
@dickonmanwoody7599
Жыл бұрын
Please explain what masculinity is then.
@Vitorruy1
Жыл бұрын
@@dickonmanwoody7599 It's a bird that lands on your shoulder when you are not looking for it. You can't isolate masculinity as it's own value detached from everything else.
@greenmntn8023
Жыл бұрын
I personally think you're looking at this too philosophically where i always looked at it biologically. yes what you said about modern world not having common goal or objective good anymore might be true but I don't think there's anything wrong with that and i also don't think that the only reason people work out is to make up for the lack of purpose or suffering. what i mean is by i look at it more biologically is that i always thought the reason why i work out is "i lift heavy circle - heavy circle make me strong - strong increase my testosterone = increase testosterone make me less depressed = less depressed make me more happy - more happy, more testosterone, stronger - higher chance of mating and higher chance of protecting myself and my loved ones (even though i know that scenario might never come and this might sound like a contradiction but better safe than sorry plus higher confidence)" i work out and i never really liked those embrace masculinity videos. i could never put my finger on the reason why and you did make me sort of see maybe why but i also disagree with you about some stuff you said. i never cared about or disliked modern world and i always thought our primal instincts in of themselves were all about self gratification and survival. isn't feeling good and confident and not depressed for the sake of OUR OWN survival the main drive in our biology? isn't that the most primal instinct? you say masculinity is about striving for objective good and being a good citizenship but biologically that also comes down to self gratification and survival. you want to be a part of a superorganism and around people who are virtuous and good so that you have higher chance of survival when you're a part of something. it all comes down to tribal instincts. the same way we give ourselves gratification and comfort with "surrogate activities" is what people in the old times did but differently. they were striving for a common purpose and toward good citizenship but that common purpose always had the intention of self gratification behind it. "let's work hard together so we can go to heaven together in the end" is also a form of self gratification. also you said strength was never in history considered a value in and of itself but you also said there might be sayings about a healthy body from ancient prophets, but is strength in and of itself considered a value now? when historians in future study us, do you think they will say that strength was considered a value and virtue in 2022? or will they say being a good citizen was valuable then? like caring about climate, human rights, animal rights, politics and peace etc. yes people in future will think we cared about those more than we care about strength but there will be videos like "embrace masculinity" that they can dig up and say that we also considered strength to be valuable just like you can dig up texts from old prophets about healthy bodies. so what's changed? i've seen all your videos and you always give biological and philosophical analysis on everything but i've always noticed philosophical part of the videos always dominate biological because i think you really love philosophy lol. so yes i understand your point but at the same time i also think the answer might just be "lift heavy weights - make me feel good and probably more likely to survive (even though i live in a modern safe world but that doesn't mean my primal instincts are gone so i can't help it)" and that what was considered valuable THEN was also a form of self gratification in the end. nothing changed, we are still very selfish animals driven by their instincts. i'm not saying your video was wrong by any means and this was clearly not directed towards me because i never agreed with those reject modernity videos. this was a very good video and you made me learn a lot of new things i didn't know and you did definitely prove that those videos are contradictory and hypocritical but at the same time i disagreed with you about a few things so just sharing it here. keep up the amazing content.
@nickst0ne
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for this enlightening video. I really see two sides to this analysis: the "modernity" part and the "masculinity" part. On modernity, it is spot on, though I'm not sure RMEM envisions "modernity" as a transformation dating back so far as the Renaissance. On masculinity, it is lacking. RMEM is one form of reaction, as are MGTOW and others, to the overwhelming cultural push towards demeaning/blaming/hating men even those that conform to the values pushed by culture, all while acclaiming women regardless of their degree of transgressiveness, obnoxiousness or how lacking they may be in merit. Is RMEM flawed? You betcha. It lacks nuance. It lacks the articulation of ideas, as correctly pointed out in this video. I will lack the philosophical references to argue the point on a philosophical basis, but my interpretation of the core message of RMEM... and I do see how my view is biased by my own personality and experience... is that, in a western culture that keeps pestering men in the direction of the personality trait "agreeableness" (of the "Big Five" psychological model), it is salutary to cultivate one's value and selfish interests, rather than falling into submission to the ambiant propaganda. Finally, on the "modernity" of RMEM as a means, not an end. At the level of the individual, that is correct. But the more men embrace this ethos or something that approaches it, the more you could see RMEM as transformative and pursuant of an end to bring society to a different place, with regards to gender relations, in particular to the treatment of men and masculinity. Is it properly articulated in the RMEM videos? Nope. But I do think this implicit message is still present in the "imperative" formulation of RMEM.
@user1acount
Жыл бұрын
Would you mind expanding on the reference to John? Is this to show an activity or effort cannot be given purpose without diction? And if one cannot orate the transcendent meaning of these "virtuous" activities, they prove that these efforts are nothing more than a surrogate activity? Great presentation. I differ with you on the intrinsic value of certain things such as fitness (in moderation). Fitness directly benefits you and your family by allowing you to prolong your health and life. Even if your "why" for fitness is just to look better, it increases your utility to your community (less liable, more capable). Maintenance of your body is not just a reflection of your discipline and respect for yourself but serves as reverence to the creation of your being.
@Ko------
Жыл бұрын
Is there some way we can read the transcript? This video is immensely dense and it would be nice to take some time and unpack the arguments through reading them.
@Tn99994
Жыл бұрын
He uploads scripts for his patreons
@Storebrand_
Жыл бұрын
Masculinity is nothing without family.
@athiefinthenight6894
9 ай бұрын
I do agree a lot with this video BUT I do think the messages that this advertising of masculinity portrays is still good. Like I wouldn't say its overly consumeristic as no products are advertised and you can do all the exercise without any products. Also even though putting Bateman and the Greeks in 1 video doesnt make any sense from like a philosophical standpoint, it still makes sense in just the surface level 'make better your body' message that it portrays and I think that message is still valuable, Especially in today's day and age.
@acuerdox
Жыл бұрын
Modernity starts with the introduction of alchemy to the west.
@brendsnheaney6931
Жыл бұрын
You can be a macho and a good man at the same time, in fact I believe they go hand in hand often
@7uis7ara
Жыл бұрын
This video was awesome dude. Gracias!
@scaledsupremacy817
Жыл бұрын
So illuminating:00 luv the vids
@unassailable6138
Жыл бұрын
''People dont have to suffer for sustenance'', yeah right, try working from 7 AM to 7 PM and having to bear an idiot boss daily, bud. All for 1.000$ a month which buys nothing.
@KnightLincoln
Жыл бұрын
True, all things considered most of these motivation videos idolize a disguised but still modern point of view.
@liquidoxygen819
Жыл бұрын
I have always received those videos with a mixture of bemusement and frustration, since the very phrase "Reject Modernity, Embrace Masculinity" is actually a deliberate bastardization of the original "Reject Modernity, Embrace TRADITION" (I forget if it has an Evolan origin or not, forgive me), which itself grew out of Ethnonationalist and Traditionalist circles online, originally and especially 4chan (to my knowledge). That is so deeply ironic, and so ironically modern, that it's almost difficult to fathom. I think you hit the nails on their heads as to why that's the case in several places in this video. These videos take that initial phrase and deliberately mangle it to make it more soft and palatable, and in doing so, proclaim the name of masculinity. They undercut masculinity as they "champion" it. Tradition subsumes masculinity, including physical health, prowess, muscularity, and martiality. Ethnonationalists have no crisis of masculinity because they embrace Tradition: they accept a package that orients them towards something higher, and this includes the philosophical scaffolding for fitness. Again: more than that, fitness is demanded. There is no question of mooring or of lacking anchoring, justification, or outlook. The "why" is provided in a self-contained system. Tradition also makes other demands upon people, though; it saddles those who would follow it with responsibility they don't necessarily have to interface with if they embrace something as shallow as a generic "masculinity". Something that broad CANNOT make difficult demands on people, beyond "don't be pussywhipped, and lift weights". Both of those are important, to be sure, but this pseudo-masculine attitude has a lack of precise demands or exacting prescriptions; this lack of difficult choices allows people to define for themselves whatever it is they want and is the deadly poison of ease smuggled in where most people aren't looking. The people who have literally repackaged the phrase have reduced the masculinity already inherent in it by stripping it of its edge. They don't feel comfortable standing up for something with bite, something with consequences, something that takes over their whole life. They are not actually enamored with masculinity, but a cheap simulacrum; a flimsy imitation of the veneer of masculinity. Tradition describes a holistic way of being: it means religion, it means spirituality, it means actually holding to an ideology and a set of ideals, it means defending your group, it means being intolerant of things that are outside of the tradition and seek to replace or undermine it. Tradition has borders, boundaries, definitions and demarcations. You have to live a life of difficult religious devotion. You have to render service to your people. You have to be tough and be mean when it's called for against outsiders. Those are harsh words, and they're acerbic and acrid to a lot of people. They can't handle that attitude, and that's the essence of false masculinity, or weakness masquerading as masculinity. People wince at those words, they chafe at them. That's why you see this, frankly, bizarre sort of Kumbaya, happy-clappy, race-blind, nation-blind, tribe-blind universalism in these videos. All this military imagery, and who are you going to defend? Who are you going to go to war against? That's not traditional, that's not masculine. Tradition is harsh, Tradition is exclusive, Tradition is demanding. People can't stomach how words like "fascism" or "nationalism" cut, and they, in the name of masculinity, seek to defang the masculine movement of what truly would manifest masculinity. I support monarchy, too, but the monarchies of today repudiate and undercut their own ideological, spiritual, and national raisons d'être. They themselves buy fully, lock-stock-and-barrel, into this post-Enlightenment paradigm of disaster and revolution. It's both so rich and makes me want to puke that I see these fake tough guys posting about MLK while not knowing the origin of the quote in their video title. Until we embrace true Traditional attitudes (which also does not mean static Luddism, btw), we're never going to restore true order. You're so right when you say that things need to be integrated, interconnected and holistic. There needs to be a transcendent, Traditional basis for society, which comes from both faith & blood. Rolling over like a puppy dog and accepting everyone isn't masculinity. George Lincoln Rockwell was a man's man. Malcolm X, his respected opposite, was a man's man. Black kids should not glorify George Lincoln Rockwell over Malcolm X, and White kids should not glorify Malcolm X over George Lincoln Rockwell. Respect the names when they come up? Sure. Even admire the heroes of other people as inspirational? Sure! But don't muddy everything up and pretend we're all the same and part of the same team. You can even have allies, but you have to know the score and know who you are. Why should this be surprising? This is what masculinity is all about. I cannot overstate the irony of supposedly masculine people shying away from this for its harshness. Really belies the truth about their souls. They can't embrace the hard stuff, which is what they say makes a man. Humans are social animals. To be a man is to shoulder the burden of responsibility, playing a part within a group. To be a man means to have a tribe, and to derive transcendent meaning through your identity as a tribe-member, and to affirm and defend your tribal nature and tribal customs. To be a man is to embrace Tradition. All else is folly.
@MonkeyBarsEveryday
Жыл бұрын
longest KZitem comment in history?
@User-jd3pt
Жыл бұрын
Isn’t it going against a holistic and integrated worldview to say that we all have our own groups and tribes? I feel like that is disconnecting people by saying one race is this group and one race is that group the same way you’d be atomized by the idea of separating human by human (and group by group). And I get why you say people get offended at these ideas but it seems like a defensive maneuver of “if people disagree then they just can’t stomach the truth” but at the end of the day it’s only your truth idk if the arguments presented really convince me “all else is folly” it all just seems like one worldview from one person
@LeFlamel
Жыл бұрын
I like your first paragraph, at least. I don't get the appeal to tradition, specifically as a means of "restoring order." Why does the longevity of the order really matter when the supposed goal is to have an end goal? Not that I even agree with the assumption that modern masculinity has no purpose; philosophically the claim that there are "higher and baser purposes" is just stacking the argumentative deck in your favor. It's rhetoric, not philosophy. Another point of curiosity I have with your ilk is this conflation of purpose with traditional signifiers of identity. If a group of Christian monarchists got together to found their own nation to live in their own way and they were all adequately self disciplined and martially trained to defend and uphold their way of life, why would it matter if that group were multiethnic? Genuinely curious. Hell I'd respect the shit out of a vegan polyamorous nation that was willing to die for their beliefs. At the end of the day I just want to see people have real ideals and responsibilities that they take seriously, to the point of death or self sacrifice, for what they perceived to be a benefit to society, their own or more broadly. While I lament that no one stands for anything principled anymore, I'm not under the curious delusion that those principles have to be packaged in a specific form. There is a space for rejection of modernism without appealing to tradition, which would represent the most difficult route. Succumbing to tradition still reeks to me of weakness, a desire for ease and comfort in the familiar. But this is a lonely position to take, so I understand your reluctance.
@Mezzanine22nd
Жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis as always! I've read the unabomber manifesto years ago and I never would have thought that I'd rediscover the concept of surrogate activities in a video about masculinity. Shows just how much finesse you have in combining various concepts in one compelling video. Though, it makes me wonder if this video and the manifesto happened to draw from the same source (and that the concept of surrogate activities did not originate from Kaczynski) since the manifesto isn't listed in your references.
@ManletKingofTism
Жыл бұрын
Dude that's what I was thinking
@jackwalters5506
Жыл бұрын
You mentioned in the video the economic atomization and the political independence of all institutions from one another. Would you then say that corporatism, the idea that all of the industries, classes, and institutions of a nation are like limbs and organs and should be tied together in cooperation by the authority of the State, is the reformulation of traditional thought adapted to function in the industrial world?
@phanomtaxskibididoodoo
Жыл бұрын
He might.
@acuerdox
Жыл бұрын
18:20 Pain doesn't give neither meaning nor purpose, meaning comes from connection.
@xyre8443
Жыл бұрын
I routinely do a little exercise everyday because I'm the kind of person who always face his computer, I don't even play any sport unlike all of my friends who play basketball lol
@tylermacdonald8924
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic ideas here, thank you for your work. Also, if you don't mind me asking, what is your nationality/mother tongue?
@PauloAdolpho87
Жыл бұрын
A hallmark of men in the fitness world, the types that make videos featuring Zyzz and men like them as their idols, is their exaggerated narcissism,superficiality, and avoidance of confrontation with women.
@tostitosfritos1748
Жыл бұрын
They are TERRIFIED of women. There are some videos where they show women showing interest in a guy and shooting their shot or just doing their own thing and then immediately cuts to the whole REJECT THEM! Followed by the dubstep music and it’s so cringe cause in a way they’re trying to project that they have “options” and are “choosing” to reject women when really it’s because of their lack of esteem
@nigelharvey640
Жыл бұрын
Beautifully said and explained.
@patricksmith308
Жыл бұрын
thank you for the perfectly executed philosophical analysis of this topic, i love your content
@denniszaychik8625
Жыл бұрын
According to the logic of the statements that were mentioned in this video ( meaning reject modernity and embrace masculinity) the main essence of male characters such as Guts, Kratos and even Geralt of Rivia is just suffering in an endless murderous cycle of violence.
@giuliotonti188
Жыл бұрын
I loved this video! my motto is: healthy mind in healthy body and healthy body in healthy mind, to be a good citizen or friend etc ...
@danielegrasso867
Жыл бұрын
your video felt like watching a book
@Mr.Henrik
Жыл бұрын
Super cool video man. I subscribed.
@andresgreene4913
Жыл бұрын
The severity of the problem within the fitness industry, to the degree that it exists, hasn't been overstated, but it has been overgeneralized. Also, not everything you spend time and effort on has to be in service of a greater goal; some things are just pleasurable. Games, hobbies, entertainment, and diversion of some sort have always been around. As, you've said, moderation is key.
@mongiwekhaya1201
Жыл бұрын
The point is, you cannot identify anything you spend time and effort on that is not simply in service of pleasure. Can you name that which you do in service of a greater goal?
@TheXrythmicXtongue
Жыл бұрын
This whole concepts confirms Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs
@Cavadoro333
Жыл бұрын
I love your videos so much thanks!!!!
@dehaman_4_144
Жыл бұрын
What color is your Bugatti?
@PedroTorres-ky2yx
Жыл бұрын
Let's see Paul Allen's Bugatti
@phanomtaxskibididoodoo
Жыл бұрын
@@PedroTorres-ky2yx I can't believe he prefers van pattens bugatti over mine.
@theblackchad8001
Жыл бұрын
Lol...its Yellow Tate
@marshalmcdonald7476
Жыл бұрын
I dig your in-depth, broad and thoughtful analysis.
@Vitorruy1
Жыл бұрын
I always had a natural disgust towards cringe compilations and the like, prefering to read books about current and ancient authors about living a meaninful life. There's something naturally repulsive about men who's identity revolves around being provocative and trying to get a reaction out of an imaginary enemy without any clear goal of what to do with their lifes. They replace real self knowledge with a post-modern ideology that claims to fight modernity but offer no real values only asthetics.
@Tattlebot
Жыл бұрын
Your concept of premodernity is wrong. Ancient societies featuring serfdom and settled habits of hard toil and poor nutrition were a transient state. Real premodernity is hunting and gathering. I posit that surrogate activity is a false idea. Hunter gatherers made rich use of spare time, I'm sure. Among Amazonian tribes, spending all your free time with women was seen as a vice, while more practical minded men were praised. Marine biology of Hirohito is an exploratory pleasure. In the modern world, we have tools for exploring and modeling the world, such as microscopes. These take us far beyond the instruments of our original senses.
@jtrealfunny
Жыл бұрын
These are really good. You are like Amir Srinivasan as a KZitemr.
@ozlemdenli7763
Жыл бұрын
excellent video
@spheramide33
Жыл бұрын
Very fruitful critique indeed. But I see absolutely no problem with the movement. It has just begun and will evolve in the future. This stage is marked by the lacanian _search for the phallus_ , so of course they randomly grab onto anything that seems stereotypical and traditional masculine. I see the amplification of aesthetic "empty" sentiment rather than precise teleological intellectualism as a result of shortened attention span rather than modernism. And this trend will only get stronger leaving people overall more susceptible to memetic possessions. But this instinctual sentiment economy will select for highly intuitively evolved individuals who can navigate the shitloads of parasitic simulacra trash by pure gut feeling. Cult formation and tribalism will drastically increase in the future for they offer the drowning individual a save memetic ark who protects and grounds it in a commonly believed symbolic world narrative.
@chancechancechance
Жыл бұрын
I think you're assuming they are using the same definitions of these concepts that you are. The layman probably understands modernity as decadence. And masculinity as being a father figure in their household. Most do not have any of the pieces of their own traditional household. So they must foster discipline, an able body and mind, finances. All things representing an adult who can provide for their future wife and children. At least that's how I see it
@igesbpro
Жыл бұрын
Lord be with thy, thanks for the knowledge you offered.
@reuvenpolonskiy2544
Жыл бұрын
Excellent review
@djeka415
Жыл бұрын
I am glad, that i find your channel. Great work! I this information help me to better understand myself and the world around me. Thank you.
@triforce_xiii
11 ай бұрын
i feel like you just misinterpreted the whole thing. your words were great and appropriate if anything the videos consisted of were what you assumed them to be. you thought to hard and far with it. "reject modernity, embrace masculinity" is just a vessel. Those videos are a reminder that nothing comes from nothing and giving in to selfish short term gratification yields something, but discipline and consitency leads to your goals. it is there to motivate in training and you wouldn't go so far and widely believe that those with big muscles thought as far as you did. not that i would say "muscles - stupid", but generally speaking, you shouldn't put it too high. Just try to see it as it is: "you could eat burger and stuff and feel miserable about yourself or you could do something about it." edit: and i want to add, that some videos of that type deliberately contain pictures of Einstein, Hawking, Sagan and co.
@444-w8k
Жыл бұрын
This self referential problem also effects the arts. Art is only good in service to a higher goal. When people so often point out the meaninglessness of modern art they are really pointing out its selfreferential nature. Modern art doesnt believe in anything, bodybuilding doesnt believe in anything.
@scythermantis
Жыл бұрын
One thing to be clear on; Postmodernism is WAY different than Modernity, in fact, it's one of the chief ways we have of getting out of Modernity.
@fredericotacio3473
Жыл бұрын
if we're talking about the trend "Reject Modernity Embrace Masculinity" itself I agree a hundred per cent. But if we talk about the mentality of some athletes I can not agree with your premisses since a lot of them got bodybuilding and another sports as a mean to another higher end. For instance, see Charles Oliveira and Khabib legacy.
@pablosabogal2634
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your content. It is always so mind provoking to me.
@TheKing-qz9wd
Жыл бұрын
So if I'm getting the suggested trend right, strength to benefit more than yourself becomes virtuous. So what of strength that isn't aesthetically appealing, as in a man is thinner or fatter than his peers but is maybe twice or 4 times as strong as his buff peers? So is the fatter one worse than the skinny one since his fat suggests either a boring snd sedentary life or a lack of self control and a general lack of health? But then if the skinny one isn't dedicated to some cause outside himself, he suddenly descends to be worse than the buff ones who at least have an aesthetic? Feels like this is all within the same direction of thought.
@timog7358
Жыл бұрын
a stroke of genius
@SamSam-il6ec
Жыл бұрын
Man..... you're just awesome
@AresGodofWargames
Жыл бұрын
I liked the video a lot but there are some comments I would like to make as a trainer. -Professional bodybuilding and even natural bodybuilding are not externally aesthetic, on the contrary, most bodybuilders look worst to the majority of people once they are ready to compete, it is almost a religious practice to deny food and even water for a few days on their body to achieve a spiritual goal. -I agree it acts as a surrogate activity -Most bodybuilders train "in parts" as a matter of practicallity, not because they actually see the body that way, the message gets distorted once it´s translated to the masses, the point of "the workout" is not "the workout" but actually to create an environment on which said muscles can be stimulated. I have not watched the original video you have commented on, but bodybuilding is not a "masculine" activity by any means and that would be the main flaw of the argument if that is the one, bodybulding as understood by competitors is a human endeavor, one that strives to overachieve in the form of extreme muscularity. Aesthetics are the mean, not the end, so comparing the instagram guy and Ronnie Coleman is a faulty comparison, Ronnie never really cared about a specific aesthetic, he cared about overachieving.
@sim8603
Жыл бұрын
Not a rhetorical question, is beauty a good in and of itself? Because if it is then beauty doesn’t need to be tied to utility as this video suggests
@0ld_Scratch
Жыл бұрын
A lot to dwell on
@gen_npz
Жыл бұрын
To be honest this video sounds like it was made by some one who adheres to a modern feminist ideology. Some one who assumes that masculinity has no purpose and is being pursued solely for aesthetic and social hierarchical reasons. I’ve never actually seen anyone argue that doing something difficult and painful is hedonistic. You some how ignored the people trying to get fit because they have had health struggles and want to live longer. Some one who had only ever ate junk food and played video games and wants to learn discipline so they can better their lives as a whole. The kid who got beat up and wants to be able to defend himself, the man who wants to find a wife and start a family but is unattractive, the guy who wants to help the widow next door move her furniture, the guy who wants to go build a schoolhouse in Africa but can’t shovel dirt or lift a bag of cement. Somehow you saw people working out and seriously pursuing greater muscle mass and thought “hmm they must just want to look at their abs in the mirror.” People don’t always idealize someone because of why they accomplished something but rather that they put in the hard work to accomplish something difficult. They don’t necessarily have to share your same goal, they could just be a model to show you it’s possible for you to do the same.
@TheOmerCookie
Жыл бұрын
But these people literally put Patrick Bateman in their videos.
@dehaman_4_144
Жыл бұрын
Patrick Bateman is a major appropriation of the masculinity by the Hollywood. He is a fake character, he is not real.
@dehaman_4_144
Жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you. The author of this video is a Brahmin who obviously doesn't appreciate Kshatriyas. Masculinity is the way of Kshatriyas and if you don't understand it... it only means you are not a Kshatriya.
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