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@StYLaZOo
4 жыл бұрын
Ok
@ferrysyalim5191
4 жыл бұрын
Matsimus wil be trigered dude.!.
@Berbecu69
4 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video about the most modern romanian tank
@zmc2585
4 жыл бұрын
Pls make pt 91 tank dude
@pk1260
4 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video about the Japanese type 10 or type 90?
@wei06zhen18
4 жыл бұрын
well, if the rifling in the 120mm rifile gun get's worn out, you now have 125mm smoothbore! It's just a joke, I'll see myself out
@Tuberuser187
4 жыл бұрын
For a joke that bad I hope the door hits your butt on your way out through it! :P
@Alex-zg7vq
4 жыл бұрын
@@Tuberuser187 i liked it xD
@zmc2585
4 жыл бұрын
Free uighur ..fuck china
@wei06zhen18
4 жыл бұрын
@@zmc2585 ur mom
@vdotme
4 жыл бұрын
A great one too, stick around 😂😂😂😂
@swift7493
4 жыл бұрын
The biggest problem is that the tea boiler has a big IR signature
@fanfeck2844
4 жыл бұрын
Swift , some sacrifices are worth it
@spiritofe629
4 жыл бұрын
Tea must never be boiled. As soon as the water starts boiling, turn off the heat and put in the tea.
@graemehogg7033
4 жыл бұрын
Just use a knitted cosy.
@fanfeck2844
4 жыл бұрын
Esh11_WOTB , shit!!! I’ve always boiled
@nickbrough8335
4 жыл бұрын
I read for watched a documentary recently (the second part of the tank Museum's two part C2 tank I think) that post WW2 analysis showed 37 % of tank personnel injuries/deaths occurred outside the tank (which is saying something given British/American tanks at the time), which was why the capability was added to he Centurion tank design (and every other british tank since).
@deffington6627
4 жыл бұрын
Problems with Challeger 2: sponsored by Rheinmetall Problems with Leopard 2: Sponsored by Hiundai Rotem Problems with Arjun: sponsored by Pakistan Problems with Al-Khalid: sonsored by India ... :D
@ikill-98
4 жыл бұрын
Good joke but u missed the P in sponsored
@ivankrylov6270
4 жыл бұрын
A+
@arya31ful
4 жыл бұрын
Problems with T-14 Armata : Sponsored by General Dynamics Problems with M1 Abrams : Sponsored by Uralvagonzavod and Norinco
@vermilion7777
4 жыл бұрын
Problems with the T-64 : Sponsored by Uralwagonsawod Problems with the T-72 : Sponsored by Malyshev Factory
@reneegiese6315
4 жыл бұрын
Vermilion77 LoL
@_Matsimus_
4 жыл бұрын
Lol. Oh goodness.
@jujuboof2465
4 жыл бұрын
You both should battle in war thunder against each other
@kloschuessel773
4 жыл бұрын
Matsimus what?
@sovietsymp803
4 жыл бұрын
Battle ples
@patriotenfield3276
4 жыл бұрын
Le Matsimus has Arrived
@SvenTviking
4 жыл бұрын
While I’m here, Matsimus, the problem with fitting the German gun to the Challenger 2 because of trying to fit one part ammunition in storage for three part ammunition, why don’t they get Rheinmetall to build a 120mm smoothbore with a three part breech, or even attach their barrel to the British breech?
@oceanman3804
4 жыл бұрын
*Challenger 2*: Man I wish my lower plate had more armour. *Leo 2:* Man I wish my gunners sight had more armour behind it. *Arjun Tank:* You guys are getting armour?
@ReviveHF
4 жыл бұрын
AMX-30: No armour is the best armour
@TheBarnestah
4 жыл бұрын
Not sure what issue is here. They probably never go into combat without adding exterior Dorchester armour to that section anyway. So I've been informed that is.
@oceanman3804
4 жыл бұрын
TheBarnestah Ik it was just a joke
@TheBarnestah
4 жыл бұрын
@@oceanman3804 Oh sorry.. my bad oops.
@monfortnicolas5448
4 жыл бұрын
@@ReviveHF Fun fact : AMX 30 had better armor than Leopard 1 without it's add-on armor
@ReviveHF
4 жыл бұрын
Basically it goes like this, Challenger 2: I can use ceramics as armour Leopard 2: I can use empty gaps as armour Leclerc: I can use speed as armour Merkava: I can use engine as armour M1 Abrams: Being big is the best armour T72/T80/T90s: Being short is the best armour M48/M60: Being tall is the best armour Type 96: balanced armour, No more no less, Yin and Yang Arjun: armour? What armour?
@ReviveHF
4 жыл бұрын
@Naveen Mishra sources?
@themarast
4 жыл бұрын
@@ReviveHF armour kanchan is type of indian cheese
@ReviveHF
4 жыл бұрын
@@themarast Sources? Haha
@limcharles9730
4 жыл бұрын
@@ReviveHF says his grandmother while mating with the neighbor mr.arjunk
@ReviveHF
4 жыл бұрын
@@limcharles9730 XD
@229masterchief
4 жыл бұрын
Imagine RedEffect in a T-90M vs Matimus in a Challenger 2 fighting a tank duel to the death cuz of this video XD
@somedankboi6093
4 жыл бұрын
question is in which game/place they will fight in?
@s.31.l50
4 жыл бұрын
Some Dank Boi IDK, maybe Fulda Gap 😂
@A.S.M.10
4 жыл бұрын
Idc what tank Red uses I’m still putting my money on Mat in the challenger
@llll2987
4 жыл бұрын
@@A.S.M.10 still red effect can play t80u vs mat's challenger in war thunder
@luftwaffels7815
4 жыл бұрын
That's somewhat the the story behind the paris gun if im not wrong.
@oceanman3804
4 жыл бұрын
The problem is that it carries too many rounds! *NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR TEA!*
@tobymaltby6036
3 жыл бұрын
Whaddymean ?! Chally 2 Tea Maker holds 1000 rounds of standard 40mm PG tips tea bags...
@stevenbreach2561
3 жыл бұрын
@@tobymaltby6036 PG Tips!!!!You were lucky!We had Compo tea bags,made from the sweepings up from the tea factories
@captinobvious4705
4 жыл бұрын
You forgot the single most important part of the tank....the tea boiler
@stevenbreach2561
4 жыл бұрын
Known to grateful crews as the BV
@bobo-cc1xw
4 жыл бұрын
There the most important job of a tanker track tension. Chally 2 has best track tension.
@abas656thegodemperor9
2 жыл бұрын
No,the tank IS the tea boiler
@vitheragingappleiv7855
Жыл бұрын
Kettle
@maxsteele20
4 жыл бұрын
Oi...at 57 seconds that's me.... :) (Not the little girl in a pink dress) **Taken from my Samsung S9 by my mate at RIAT in 2018. Was speaking to a couple of lads there who crewed it, and they are in the process of transitioning from CR2 to AJAX. They are well happy about it too. ***Where on earth did you find that photo? :)
@cptnrice6313
4 жыл бұрын
what is cr2 and ajax i try to look it up but all i get is batteries
@@maxsteele20 cr is the abreviation? thats so weird. who the hell takes the first and last letters of a word and abreviates it like that
@Maks-ee9pi
4 жыл бұрын
The short message of the video: GO PLAY WARTHUNDER FOR FREE Oh and some facts about the challenger 2
@arya31ful
4 жыл бұрын
When you have problematic equipment, there's always Rheinmetall here to solve it.
@jon_3453
4 жыл бұрын
*The British Em... I mean Commonwealth would like to know your location*
@possum8789
4 жыл бұрын
Just to add some facts, Challanger has the longest range tank kill in history (so say what you like about its gun) No challanger tank has been destroyed by enemy fire
@casmsfrought9956
4 жыл бұрын
No challenger tank has been destroyed by enemy fire? You sure bout that? Idk seems fishy
@eugenianmarkic5568
4 жыл бұрын
There aren't that many challengers around the world and they barely saw combat.
@Mk1Male
4 жыл бұрын
@@eugenianmarkic5568 You have heard of the two Gulf Wars, right?
@Mk1Male
4 жыл бұрын
@@casmsfrought9956 Might sound fishy but have some chips with it coz it's true.
@casmsfrought9956
4 жыл бұрын
@@Mk1Male Fish n chips it is then
@sammni
4 жыл бұрын
Nothing really majorly wrong with the challenger then?
@BatteredWalrus
4 жыл бұрын
apart from the engine and gun no. it's just that it's mobility and lethatlity are really lacking, plus ineffecient composite arrays (against Kinetic projectiles that is) and the hull layout is rather outdated to say the least
@sammni
4 жыл бұрын
@@BatteredWalrus lethality thing I don't agree with. Can they make the the gun more lethal I'm sure they can. But has there been any instance where the gun hasn't destroyed what it hit?
@derekjohn7535
4 жыл бұрын
@@sammni Well since it only fought massively outdated tanks, its hard to say but against something like the t-14 armata it definitely needs more firepower. In military standards its always better to go as overkill as you can rather than risk the chance of them surviving. Also if you watched the video, no making the gun "just more lethal" isnt quite as simple-
@davidfriend9042
4 жыл бұрын
@Alex Elliott I was wondering with HESH couldn't they add something to it to give it the spin needed to be usable?
@stephencrompton4352
4 жыл бұрын
@@BatteredWalrus in real combat situation, except from rushing over open desert, like desert storm, the tank that's not moving has the advantage if it's well hidden, I think that's the doctrine behind the CR2, and when that's taken into account speed isnt as big a deal. The vehicles still reasonably quick, just maybe not as quick as it's counterparts.
@TOYSOLDIERREVIEW
3 жыл бұрын
He's wrong on the front plate it was an IED and in one attack chally was hit 14 times with RPG and one MILAN crew stayed in tank and chally was recovered and back in action 6 Hours later, another incident reports being hit by 70 RPG
@parallax9084
Жыл бұрын
Source: Trust me bro
@FlourescentPotato
Жыл бұрын
lol
@Max_Da_G
4 жыл бұрын
Loader wouldn't necessarily have easier time loading the one-piece ammo. That one-piece ammo with a huge and long APFSDS projectile wouldn't be light by any stretch, and would by significantly bulkier too which would make loading a lot more awkward.
@yereverluvinuncleber
4 жыл бұрын
You are forgetting the most important fact. The tank just 'looks' bloody amazing, as if it really means business. Its presence on the battlefield should give any potential enemy the shaking colliwobbles. The Brits are coming!
@usaisthebestiockdownpoiice816
4 жыл бұрын
meh.. they just copied the abrams. i heard the armor used is similar.
@skullofserpent5727
4 жыл бұрын
For experienced enemy looks mean nothing
@Swarmie
4 жыл бұрын
@@usaisthebestiockdownpoiice816 well the armor they both use was designed by the brits so, maybe the other way around?
@spamuraigranatabru1149
4 жыл бұрын
Wow people really didn't like 'USA is the best's comment... In all seriousness though, the UK didn't just design the armour the Americans used, but also made a special version of the Chieftain to wear it into battle. But they got rid of that in favour of the MBT 80 then the Challenger 1 MK3
@yereverluvinuncleber
4 жыл бұрын
Initially, the Abrams had the British 105mm L7 as well as British Chobham armour. It retains that armour to this day.
@jameshill7375
4 жыл бұрын
Really should look at tank chats by the tank museum" because is russian bias"
@tarpnarp
3 жыл бұрын
Tbf, then you've got English bias.
@01Laffey
4 жыл бұрын
Dorchester block on the lower front plate was added in 2007
@Powerof7even
4 жыл бұрын
And that was only because the MOD was slow, they really do protection of this tank seriously.
@davec5153
4 жыл бұрын
You need to take in to account that it's much easier to load two part ammo in a confined space. Plus its battle teste, never been knocked out and holds the record for the longest kill. The engine doesin't have as much horse power but how fast do you really need to go in a tank? Plus it's a very reliable engine. The upgrades might make it go slightly faster and might make loading a fraction faster but it's much more important to have a well trained crew, which challenger 2 has. Even the "cheftan hatch" said he would only pick the Abrams over the challenger because he was more familiar with it and that's before any upgrades. If I had to be a passenger in a tank in battle, I'd always chose the challenger, it's all about survivability and killing power, both of which the challenger has proven in combat, better than the Abrams or Leopard 2.
@peterwait641
4 жыл бұрын
Some people think it would be a good idea to manual load one piece ammo, at 98 cm and 41 lbs this might prove fun bouncing around cross country ? Clearly the new Germany designed turret with magazine is the way forward rather than bodging a smooth bore into the current turret and chopping off and putting a new rear section on the back !
@michaelgardner2581
4 жыл бұрын
As long as the engine keeps going that's all that matters and is reliable
@IzakSemrdoii
8 ай бұрын
Challenger def don't have the same survivability than abrams , and just because the chieftain said doesn't make Challenger 2 good
@lonewanderer5515
4 жыл бұрын
Still love the beast Rheinmetal. And BAE system are supposed to be working together to modernize the tank and fix its flaws. Fave tank of all time centurion 😁
@TheBarnestah
4 жыл бұрын
Indeed. I heard Caterpillar are on the power plant side of things also. So hopefully that could be good.
@lonewanderer5515
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheBarnestah well if they are then that could be a gd thing as they make strong engine's the tank does need a power boost especially with its additional armour packages
@Jimcboon1
4 жыл бұрын
Perkins are part owned by cat now.
@repeatedaction4273
4 жыл бұрын
Still using the centurion South Africa still a great tank by today’s standards. Needs a few upgrades probably could still beat the Indians and Russians haha well Russia’s older tanks so all of them
@eddgrs9193
4 жыл бұрын
So the solution is to mount a Leopard 2 turret on the Challenger ? :) here is an article about the tank : nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/epic-fail-expert-claims-united-kingdoms-new-challenger-2-tank-terrible-mistake-118061
@simonsays582
4 жыл бұрын
3:07 if anyone here watches *Matsimus's* channel that looks like him lol. Could it actually be him? He used to work on Challenger 2.
@zmc2585
4 жыл бұрын
Yup
@MykolaSternenkoDroneBoyHoleMan
4 жыл бұрын
It's his twin(k) brother Batsimus
@warmbreeze7996
4 жыл бұрын
Matsimus was operating warrior IFV, not tanks
@AdotLOM
4 жыл бұрын
@@warmbreeze7996 but he did work as a mechanic for CR2 afaik.
@CabbageBloke
4 жыл бұрын
@@AdotLOM Working as a mechanic has ZERO bearing on using the vehicle and its assets in war.
@confuseddane9810
3 жыл бұрын
1:56 You can hear him laughing at the end when he mentions the Challenger 2 can fire HESH projectiles
@The_Crimson_Fucker
4 жыл бұрын
KZitem keeps unsubscribing me from you, this must be the 5th time I've re-subbed in 6-7 months.
@fanfeck2844
4 жыл бұрын
Don’t know why people get obsessed about tank stats, when no tank has come up against a comparable tank in battle for years. The U.K. is an island and will only use tanks as support in a coalition with others in mainland Europe, and as in the gulf war, air power will do the heavy work.
@charlesedwards9248
4 жыл бұрын
Air power cant hold ground
@RandomNickyDee2
4 жыл бұрын
Fanfeck agreed. During the invasion of Iraq the Bradley claimed more tank kills with its TOW missiles than the M1 did... beautiful creations though they are, MBTs are a dying bread. Modern infantry portable munitions can defeat even the toughest heaviest composite armours and in a post-cold war climate no western nations wants to invest in really modernising tanks.
@Burner.Account..
4 жыл бұрын
@@RandomNickyDee2 ADS would like to have a word with you.
@RandomNickyDee2
4 жыл бұрын
@@Burner.Account.. Unfortunately we've seen systems like ADS fail throughout history. Battleships are a great example, where developments in AA technology couldn't keep up and mitigate the risk posed by aircraft. I think much like surface warships, we are probably moving into an era where the days of the ultra-heavily armored 70-ton, 120mm main gun MBT are done. We're probably now looking at a future where larger volumes of cheaper/more disposable units armed with systems like TOW are the direction of travel.
@Alucard-gt1zf
4 жыл бұрын
@@RandomNickyDee2 basically t-34 with tow missiles?
@spamuraigranatabru1149
4 жыл бұрын
*Giggles in one of the best combat service history of pretty much any MBT.* In all seriousness, have you seen it, or Challenger 1's service history? Not having a go at anyone. Just pointing out the very interesting read on how well they performed their duties.
@spamuraigranatabru1149
4 жыл бұрын
@Sjwaria Law *Laughs in Abrams and Leopard being destroyed in same theater.*
@spamuraigranatabru1149
4 жыл бұрын
@Sjwaria Law Yes i know what you said, i was keeping in the same theme of my original comment, what you said is true, the Challenger 2 has not come across equal competition. Whilst wriitng this i just realised something, neither did the Challenger 1 nor Chieftain. Guess that's a good sign since a good weapon makes a great deterrence.
@xROJANBOx
4 жыл бұрын
@Sjwaria Law What MBT has actually faced an enemy that's a threat and not t-72's?
@janchovanec8624
4 жыл бұрын
@Sjwaria Law Iraq had only very few T-72's and those they had were stripped of every modern feature and electronics. They didn't even have powered turrets. Not only that, but they had obsolete ammunition that had no chance of dealing with modern armour, unlike Soviet T-72's.
@rollingo8678
4 жыл бұрын
Sjwaria Law dispute they’re age the T-72 is still capable of dealing damage on some modern MBTs such as the Abrams, which isn’t much of a test I know but still
@aksmex2576
4 жыл бұрын
Video starts at 0:52 for people who want the quality to be better.
@forzaisspeed
2 жыл бұрын
Question how do you the lower plate is only 60mm thick and is that just steel ?. Can I have the site you got this from please.
@PrimeEXE
4 жыл бұрын
Nice video but the challenger still remains to be my favourite tank. Also keep up the great work
@winstonchurchill237
4 жыл бұрын
BTW the barrel is chrome lined so wear isn’t too bad. Also the ammunition is technically 3 piece as there is also a charge igniter which is basically a 50. Cal bullet to ignite the propellant.
@armoureddiver5262
4 жыл бұрын
The 'charge igniter' is not a .50 calibre 'bullet'. It is the TVE - Tube Vent Electric which although similar in size to a .50 calibre cartridge case, is, as its name implies, electrically initiated. It is loaded automatically into the two part breech block so as far as the loader is concerned the gun indexes to the load position, he loads the projectile which is already in his hands, then withdraws a charge from the armoured bin which is below the turret line, loads it, closes his guard which shuts the breech and makes the safety switch "Loaded"!
@ArtietheArchon
4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call the rifled gun a flaw, but rather a decision with specific trade-offs. It is true that muzzle velocity of sabot rounds will be slightly less due to the need for isolating driving bands but the tank is much more accurate with other types of ammunition, especially HESH which is an excellent multipurpose round. the two-part ammunition however is pretty much a complete drawback
@atinofspam3433
Жыл бұрын
a big reason we kept with the rifle was mainly 1) if it ain’t broke don’t fix it 2) we still have a mountain of leftover rifle ammunition from challenger 1 and cheiftain 3) as mentioned in the video we are moving to smoothbore soon with the main reason being ammo compatibly with other NATO members rather than firepower
@zhufortheimpaler4041
Жыл бұрын
@@atinofspam3433 one of the primary reasons for the continued use of the rifled gun on challenger 1 was the Thatcher Government saying buying the german gun is too expensive and also its german. On challenger 2 this repeated again.
@adrianhering3138
3 жыл бұрын
It’s been announced challenger 3 this is much improved
@williamfield3348
3 жыл бұрын
Actually the rifled gun has been found to be more accurate firing apds rounds. Studies have found the difference as to the pull of gravity in a smoothbore leads to uneven seating and consequently comparatively poor grouping compared with its rifled counterparts. Also another fallacy is the greater perceived wear rate. In fact the the gun has greater max full charge round wear rate than its smoothbore counterpart the m1a2 Abrams. The British chose wisely. Especially with its added ability to fire greater kinds of ammo like he's making it also a more versatile weapon. Common opinion is not always correct.
@williamfield3348
3 жыл бұрын
Greater...I should have said better wear rate and thats hesh rounds aswell.
@umutcanargun5108
11 ай бұрын
Aged like a fine vine.
@MrJJuK
4 жыл бұрын
Now do a 2 hour video on what's wrong with the abrams 🤣 The Chally 2 is the best tank in the world, has the longest confirmed kill in the world and has never been destroyed by the enemy. 👍
@David-eh9le
4 жыл бұрын
Not being deployed makes that pretty easy lol
@MrJJuK
4 жыл бұрын
@@David-eh9le they've been deployed everywhere a Abrams has
@cursedcliff7562
4 жыл бұрын
Never been destroyed by an enemy TANK, things like rpgs and IDEs did destroy them
@MrJJuK
4 жыл бұрын
@@cursedcliff7562 nope, your thinking of abrams. 1 only chally has ever been destroyed. google about a chally that took a shite load of RPGs and 2or3 Anti tank rockets like a boss and was still fine.
@chrisryan3770
4 жыл бұрын
Djordje Oljaca CR2 in Iraq lost a track and spent a whole day getting pounded by insurgents with RPGs and small arms from point blank range and they barely scraped the paint of the Challenger 2. The crew just sat there drinking tea until the REME salvage turned up.
@charlesedwards9248
4 жыл бұрын
Chalenger 'll holds the record for the longest tank on tank kill.
@David-eh9le
4 жыл бұрын
So? Other countries just dont use tanks for that because they arent stuck in the 40s
@Samthebritishgent
4 жыл бұрын
dave well if we can hit you while we are not in range of you our chances improve
@a39tortoise40
4 жыл бұрын
@@David-eh9le You do realise that tank on tank combat is extensively fought at long distance...
@David-eh9le
4 жыл бұрын
@@Samthebritishgent every modern MBT can hit at that distance...
@David-eh9le
4 жыл бұрын
@@a39tortoise40 its not. Because tankcombat with modern MBTs nearly doesnt happen anymore. Tanks arent used to fight other tanks. Its not WW2
@maiedova
2 жыл бұрын
You know what I get the most from your videos, the knowledge that all tanks have their weaknesses.
@bremnersghost948
4 жыл бұрын
Main problem with Challenger 2, There's not nearly enough of them
@davidarmstrong8710
4 жыл бұрын
That's because we don't build them anymore all the vickers factory's have been closed down for years
@bremnersghost948
4 жыл бұрын
@@davidarmstrong8710 Indeed :( Which begs the question Who exactly will build our next Generation of MBT's?
@Leon-ix6xy
3 жыл бұрын
Love how everyone mentions weight, lack of mobility and top speed. Yet they fail to realise challenger can cover bad ground very fast and effortlessly, engage targets at speed. due to its hydra gas suspension units. Try bombing x country on torsion bars 🙄 thats Abrams and leopard use by the way.
@Powerof7even
4 жыл бұрын
The upgrade to the LFP with dorchester came in 2007, not 2016, but on the whole I think challenger 2 came off lightly in this video. Also HESH is never stored in the turret regardless of it being mostly inert plastic explosive. The Rifling is chromed so service life isn't as bad as you'd think. The tank is slow and very heavy in comparison to other MBTs but this hasn't seemed to cause any issues in terms of its operation as the tank is still fairly mobile. On top of this the engine is amongst the most reliable in terms of maintenance. Challenger 2 LEP seems to want to incorporate a smoothbore gun, new 1500-1600hp engine, active protection system and commander thermal imaging system so the future looks good until it being finally retired around 2035.
@Pieces93
Жыл бұрын
The challenger isn’t slow at all! It is the same top speed as the much lighter T90 (48tons compared to 68-75tons) with a top speed of 37mph whilst being one of the heaviest tanks in the world, but with far superior armour! And it has active protective systems already but an upgrade with the challenger 3 won’t be a bad thing!
@GuderII
4 жыл бұрын
Challenger 2 with 74 ton *Arrived* Bridge : *You shall not Pass*
@Q...........-
3 жыл бұрын
"challenger 2 sucks" challenger fans: we know "arjun sucks" alpha defence and his lemming train: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@SmurfAccountNot
4 жыл бұрын
Bob semple tank ftw
@the_bane_of_all_anti_furry
4 жыл бұрын
the arjun suck but it crush that shit in few second
@giorgiogalliano05
3 жыл бұрын
Damian Rivoli the bob semple can obliterate the arjunk in one shot
@Kai0240
4 жыл бұрын
I always think a Challenger 2 tank is a sniping and defensive tank.
@carwyngriffiths
4 жыл бұрын
CIA that’s because it’s mainly based off of that doctrine, too be hard as nails and to hold out until overwhelming reinforcements can arrive
@astoran3147
4 жыл бұрын
it should be at least according to doctrine it was designed for
@fanfeck2844
4 жыл бұрын
CIA , challenger 1 was very offensive in the gulf war
@MykolaSternenkoDroneBoyHoleMan
4 жыл бұрын
@@fanfeck2844 Iraq was very cucked then
@BatteredWalrus
4 жыл бұрын
@@fanfeck2844 except they were only fielded in areas T-55s and T-62s were located, the upper brass kept them away from fighting the T-72s which were only ever engaged by M1A1s and USMC M60A1s (as revealed in recently declassified documents)
@AllThingsCubey
4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget that we have test data from 1987 that confirms that even the frontal turret armour is only between 550-600mm RHA equivelant vs kinetic, as it was beaten by thr M1A1 HA in British tests, and that even the production version has only 650mm RHA equivelant according to Swedish tests. This means the 75 ton, underpowered beast of a tank is actually considerably LESS protected than a 68 ton, full equipped Leopard 2E, A7, or STRV 122, which also have superior firepower and mobility. Hmmm.... Let's hope the new turret brings the armour values up to suitable modern standard.
@AllThingsCubey
4 жыл бұрын
@@komradearti9935 Didnt know that about the 2E... damn. Spain is cheap though. Point about Challenger 2 still stands. Armour is massively overrated. People act like blocking 13 RPG 7 hits is impressive. Nope.
@markschoning5581
4 жыл бұрын
placeholder The weight of the Leopard2 A7V ( despite being fitted for, as already the A7) is also the reason why the side protection elements were not added. A new drive train and final drives were added, to improve the mobility and to support a combat weight of 70 to and more. But before the maximum power output of the engine will be improved by 150-200kw, these side protection elements will not be added. And I also heard rumors, that for a possible A8 upgrade, there are plans for addressing the ground pressure problem ( A7V already more than 10N/cm2).
@66kbm
4 жыл бұрын
Where would you like your ass sat in? Me...I will always referer to be sat in Chally 2. Most survivable and ergonomic for the crew. Crews make tanks, not Tanks on thier own.
@shizukadoitsukitsune1919
4 жыл бұрын
I’ll probably choose abrams with tusk upgrade even though I prefer Russian tanks normally
@chebb3699
4 жыл бұрын
Anthony Gadway I’m with u and mobility is solid
@thatsnomoon4221
4 жыл бұрын
What, but I've been told by my British friends that this tank literally has no weaknesses, and that everybody should use it because it's invincible :(
@MPdude237
3 жыл бұрын
Everybody thinks their tanks is the best in the world and will steamroll other tanks. Although Challenger 2 is not the best, it certainly is a good modern MBT.
@botchii3059
3 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what my American friends were just saying about the Abrams; what a coincidence.
@bluestingray8955
3 жыл бұрын
Better than Abrahams
@t1e6x12
3 жыл бұрын
@@bluestingray8955 You know it's not better than the Abrams when you know so little about it that you don't know it's name.
@bluestingray8955
3 жыл бұрын
@@t1e6x12 oh boo hoo I spelt it wrong gonna cry?
@vocatusk407
4 жыл бұрын
He forgets to add that war thunder is insanely unbalanced and infested with top rank premium vehicles that are plenty better than standard vehicles
@britbong1457
4 жыл бұрын
well yeah... its an advertisement not his opinion on the game...
@vocatusk407
4 жыл бұрын
@@britbong1457 well then its false advertising if he doesnt add one of the main flaws of the game
@britbong1457
4 жыл бұрын
@@vocatusk407 lol no that's not how that works
@vocatusk407
4 жыл бұрын
@@britbong1457 he doesnt advertise the full experience of the game
@britbong1457
4 жыл бұрын
@@vocatusk407 he doesn't advertise the full experience because its not a video on fucking warthunder lmao, a lot of game ads don't show the "full experience".
@trevortrevortsr2
3 жыл бұрын
The missing feature in this post is that the Brits will go toe to toe with any other tank and have a nice brew after
@kenbong8972
Жыл бұрын
The longest range tank on tank kill in combat. Survivability is legendary. Took several RPG hits and still returned to service. Longer range gun and first shot kill. Tactically they could use it in a combined role. Similar to how the allies used the upgunned Shermans, like the firefly, in ww2.
@zhufortheimpaler4041
Жыл бұрын
yeah thats alot of mystification. Longest range tank on tank kill is by now a T-64BV from Ukraine hitting and destroying a T-72B3 with HE-FRAG on 10+km. Also Challenger 2 didnt do the kill you are talking about, that was Challenger 1. They hit a T-55 with the third shot. The L11A5 or L30A1 dont have longer range. in fact, they have equal or shorter effective range to the RH120 L/55 gun, due to lower possible maximum chamber pressure, higher friction in the barrel and lower muzzle velocity. Plus they need a more complex sabot for the APFSDS, because the Rifling of the gun has to be neutralised (because rifling does NOTHING for APFSDS rounds in best case, without rifling neutralisation you basicly throw your APFSDS sideways at the enemy) Challenger 2 took primarily RPG-7WN and WR and RPG-29 recoilless Rifle, Penetration capability is between 400-700mm. That is not enough to penetrate CR2´s frontal armor (with exception of the lower frontal plate) or side armor. Its like throwing waterballoons at a car and claiming it is indestructeble. Other modern MBT´s with similar armor to CR2 (Leopard 2A4 and M1A1) have been hit with ATGM´s with 1000+mm penetration and tandem warheads. They didnt look very well afterwards. (That would be the brick you throw at the car)
@mbtenjoyer9487
Жыл бұрын
@@zhufortheimpaler4041no way in hell he-frag could destroy a T-72 at 10 km that’s impossible
@zhufortheimpaler4041
Жыл бұрын
@@mbtenjoyer9487 yes its possible. HE-FRAG has enough penetration to punch through the turret roof armor of a T-72. Thats what happened.
@mbtenjoyer9487
Жыл бұрын
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 nope
@zhufortheimpaler4041
Жыл бұрын
@@mbtenjoyer9487 yeah, the ukrainians used a drone for fire correction. nobody says it was a first round hit. And considering that HE-Frag fired from a 125mm gun has alot more than 50mm penetration and the T-72 Roof armor is less than 3cm monosteel without ERA or composite armor.... There is even video footage of that event
@binaryswinery5862
4 жыл бұрын
I love all these “experts” who’ve never worked or used the Challenger 2 🤣
@williamkwl6153
4 жыл бұрын
Well fill us in, did you work on Challenger 2
@wonkagaming8750
4 жыл бұрын
@Mason Woodrowred dose a shit tons of research on the tank he is going to make a video about
@williamkwl6153
4 жыл бұрын
2 days later:
@williamkwl6153
4 жыл бұрын
3 days later
@arthurhickman045
3 жыл бұрын
You cant really compare the Abrams engine with the challenger 2s as the abrams has a much different turbine engine whereas the cr2 has a diesel
@zodiaccowboy2131
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for helping me out with weak spots
@zenki4666
3 жыл бұрын
The best Tank channel
@mogs23
4 жыл бұрын
But wat u fail to say is this wat ever problems the Charlie 2 has it's still the best protected tank on the planet nothing even comes close
@hungryhedgehog4201
Жыл бұрын
The massive amounts of armor doesnt really do that much when the tank has giant weakspots in the middle of the front. The mantlet and driver hartch openening are huge compared to similar tanks. So a centermass hit will probably result in a pen on a tank that sacrificed everything for armor protection.
@RR-us2kp
Жыл бұрын
Problem is no one has so far managed to destroy one of these. Even when they know it has these weaknesses
@hungryhedgehog4201
Жыл бұрын
@@RR-us2kp Cause it fights under equipped and untrained guerillia and countries that aren't the 4th in the world when it comes to military spending. Also 2 were lost and one was a mission kill. 1 to incorrect ammunition storage during a training excercise, one to an ied and one to a RPG26 a light anti tank weapon.
@RR-us2kp
Жыл бұрын
@@hungryhedgehog4201 last 2 are not true. It wasn't destroyed by an ied or rpg. It was damaged. But it managed to return to base on its own power. The driver was wounded. Only loss during a mission was due to a friendly fire incident from another challenger 2 tank. Ammunition storage issue didn't destroy the tank. 2 crew members died. Other 2 were injured. Tank survived. So like I said, no one has managed to destroy one except another challenger which shot during an open hatch. Compare that to Russian, US and German tanks that were lost during the past years.
@gregorylouis617
Жыл бұрын
@@RR-us2kp It's not very impressive...like what the previous commenter typed. It hasn't faced off against substantial opponent's. Now it will be deployed to Ukraine, where every tank we can imagine has been destroyed, abandoned or captured. It can't pass over certain bridges in Ukraine due to weight and it'll most likely get stuck in Ukraine's mud.
@agt155
Жыл бұрын
the lower plate "weakness" is a video gamers myth. CR2 is always supposed to be fitted with modular front armour in battle. in fact the front modular armour was built before the tank went into production.
@sergarlantyrell7847
2 жыл бұрын
Considering that tanks have always spent most of their time hurling big f*** off lumps of high explosives at enemy soldiers, one could argue that the gun the Challenger 2 has is superior (in the majority of cases) to the smoothbore ones on practically every other nation's tanks... And accuracy is ammunition type dependent... Rifled guns are MORE accurate when firing HESH (which is more useful more of the time... Like when you don't just want to blow the bloody doors off, but demolish their building entirely) Fair enough, they might be worse for tank-on-tank combat, but that has been rather rare recently. The problem is, people get a narrow view playing games like war thunder where everything is a very artificial engagement. The new smoothbore will probably be an overall positive, especially in maintenance, but it doesn't come without some drawbacks, which many forget.
@user-xh3wr1do7k
4 жыл бұрын
The only people that have a problem with the rifled gun are enemy tankers. Doesn’t make it more accurate? Yet that rifled gun has the record for the longest tank to tank kill.
@JAnx01
4 жыл бұрын
75 tons? This video made me respect the all-around-super-protected 50 ton T-84 Oplot that much more. It owes it to the revolutionary, yet crammed, T-64 design. Made for one swift short-lasting strike at Fulda Gap.
@mawdeeps7691
2 жыл бұрын
t84 protection is not on the same level
@nickbrough8335
4 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that in its fully loaded combat set-up, C2's main weakness is the lack of HP from the engine. I wonder how ,much impact this actually has in combat given that its unlikely you'll be using full speed all of the time and terrain protection is probably more important. The tank commanders lack of a thermal night imager is probably more critical in practice. More recently the shorter length of C2 CHARM sabot rounds has become a growing issue as protection is improved on the most modern Russian tanks. Since WW2, British tank doctrine has always placed firepower and protection above absolutely speed. I don't see this changing. It seems to me that the mid-life upgrade programme will probably fix the munitions issue and modernise the turret electronic systems (plus add active protection alongside passive IED protection systems already in use). They may well also fix the engine issue at the same time.
@usaisthebestiockdownpoiice816
4 жыл бұрын
nuking russia and wiping them out is also an option.
@agt155
4 жыл бұрын
Challenger 2 does have hydrogas suspension, a 6 speed transmission and a GUE working in conjunction with the main engine, so in reality its mobility in many respects is very good. Fact of the matter is the M1 Abrams, CR2 and Leopard 2 series have received countless armour and firepower upgrades but no mobility upgrades at all which indicates mobility was overly prioritised in their design. CHARM 3 L27 has already been superceeded by the new longer L28 round. Performance isn't the issue with the main gun, it's more down to economy of scale. If the MOD spent £200m developing new rounds for the rifled gun their entire market would be limited to 150 Challenger 2's. If they swapped to smoothbore their potential market is exponentially larger.
@MrBiggrim
4 жыл бұрын
In the 80's, when NATO was rolling out the new Armour, a study analysis of various exercises in Germany found that the faster tanks suffered a higher rate of loss. This was due to them running into unseen opposition positions at speed, and thus placing themselves at a tactical disadvantage of being - a) Surprised. b) A lot closer to the enemy than they would care to be. Such closeness effectively reduces their armour protection. Central European terrain tends to have a lot of trees, bushes, hills and shitty weather. Lots of ways to drive into a ambush or enemy tank column without realising it. LOL. There is a lot to be said about slow and thoughtful in war. Interestingly the Israeli's also prefer protection over speed, and they also know a thing or two about Armoured warfare.
@andys7314
4 жыл бұрын
@@agt155 L28 projectile? Care to elaborate as I've been teaching CR2 gunnery for 9 years and been a commander for 6 and this must be a round that only you can see as an L28 round I've never heard off...
@nickbrough8335
4 жыл бұрын
@@andys7314 I believe the new turret design fixes that issue on both the BAE and the Rheinmetal design. I guess we'll find out more about the combined design fairly soon.
@oneandonlyTan
4 жыл бұрын
not sure 10,000 roundsis a short life span for a barrel
@MrAnonymousme10
4 жыл бұрын
dont forget the tea maker they have inside the tank that take up space
@rayhan_2k841
4 жыл бұрын
Lol bet all the chally2 haters expected it to be long. The clowns cant accept the fact challenger2 is a monster of a tank lol
@user-propositionjoe
4 жыл бұрын
Ye having an underpowered gun and weak engine makes it such a monster
@rayhan_2k841
4 жыл бұрын
@@user-propositionjoe lool professional armchair generals like you think you know everything. The tank has successfully knocked out everything it came against regardless of how outdated its enemy was. It did its job and the crews have nothing but praise. Gtfo here lol
@rayhan_2k841
4 жыл бұрын
@@user-propositionjoe "wEaK eNgInE" yh how about actually go down to bovington and see how quick the tank actually is. Just because it doesn't go 68kph like leo2 it makes a 75 tonn tank slow? Lol what planet are you people on
@user-propositionjoe
4 жыл бұрын
@@rayhan_2k841 It's literally a fact that it's an underpowered tank. Numbers don't lie. 1200hp on the heaviest in service tank. I'm sorry if facts offend you.
@rayhan_2k841
4 жыл бұрын
@@user-propositionjoe it doesn't offend me when iv seen the tank itself drive around. If the crews say it's a fasr tank then who the hell are you lol. Carry on playing video games
@ferrysyalim5191
4 жыл бұрын
Dude.... Matsimus.. If u read this... Pls. Dont be trigered. I love ur channel so much!. I know this is ur fav tank... But fact is the fact... So... Be patient
@wonkagaming8750
4 жыл бұрын
Same
@23GreyFox
4 жыл бұрын
So far i can remember Matsimus had similar critics in his video. The engine was one of his biggest points.
@rayhan_2k841
4 жыл бұрын
Fact is fact? This video is short just shows how little flaws there actually is. It's the most tested and reliable western mbt. Even nicholas Moran tank jesus thinks its world class lol
@wonkagaming8750
4 жыл бұрын
@@rayhan_2k841 indeed
@ferrysyalim5191
4 жыл бұрын
@@rayhan_2k841 yeah what ever... I know the detail... The upgraded CR 2 WAS AMAZING! but the problem only the engine bruh. so dont take it to the heart...
@vikingwarlord2453
4 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is the only tank to do damage to this tank is the same tank that happen with friendly fire.
@davequinn2369
3 жыл бұрын
True.
@billyclement5141
4 жыл бұрын
I know you have to find something to highlight, Red, but the LFP is a bit of a reach! The 'incident' in 2006 involved the tank being hit by 10-15 tandem charge rockets. The damage wasn't enough to knock the tank out; in spite of serious injury to his foot the driver, Tpr Chance, managed to drive the tank over 2.4 km to safety. No tank is immune to enemy fire, but on that day, facing incredibly intense fire, I'm not aware of any that would have performed as well as the Challenger 2. As for 'taking a while'? You say 2016 for the Dorchester upgrade, but questions asked in the House of Commons in 2007 were answered by a claim that the weakness had been addressed. British tankers called the interim upgrade 'streetfighter'. It was available in early 2007. On weight. Yes, with the full TES suite the tank weighs 75 tons. There's a price to be paid for being the heaviest armoured tank in the World! Having said that, the individual elements can be removed to lower the weight for bridge crossings if that's deemed to be a problem. You seem to have 'mobility' and 'speed' somewhat confused. The Challenger 2 is slower than tanks of similar size, but battlefield mobility is not only about speed. The hydrogas suspension allows better traverse across country, compared to, say, torsion bar (which also takes up valuable space within the vehicle). Challenger is geared to climb impressively well and has a high reverse speed. On the mud or climbing slopes, (where it counts!), the Challenger is often faster than other Western designs that have a much higher road speed. Rifled guns vs smoothbores is a fun topic. It's fair to say that the 120mm rifle the British use has seen it's day. However, it is still capable of dealing with all known battlefield threats and it's getting upgraded to the Rhinemetal L55 120mm smoothbore as soon as funds allow. The engine could do with more power, but it's unfair to just write it off with a one liner about Abrams being better. The big diesel is more reliable and less thirsty than the American turbine design. Again, there's an upgrade inbound. (HAAIP). In spite of all that, I really enjoyed the video and others in the series. Keep up the great work!
@jugganaut33
4 жыл бұрын
Your comment on accuracy is false on a technicality of predictability. Otherwise the British army wouldn’t fkn use them and sniper rifles would have smooth bore barrels. With projectile such as HESH. With no fin stabilisation. A rotational force acting on the round creates a more predictable and reliable spread in different weather, temperatures and winds compared to smooth bore. Firing computers can enhance this predictability. The wear on barrels isn’t that drastic. Considering during trials alone they fired 9,700 rounds through them and had the same accuracy afterwards as before. The engine was built for reliability and fuel efficiency. Which out classed NATO counterparts in those departments after learning the lessons from chieftain. No other MBT was going to have mobility issues. It can still handle 30-45kmh off road. These things practically fly when they’re in Salisbury plain training. Even at 74 tonnes they can manage 30kmh and a smooth target accuracy due to state of the art hydrogas suspension.
@astoran3147
4 жыл бұрын
@@komradearti9935 ''The british army only uses a rifled gun on the challenger 2 because there was a lot of ammunition left which was ment for the earlier challenger 1 and Chieftain.'' This statement is so wrong. Yeah sure you can fire L15 ammunition out of L30 but nobody with a little bit of brain would do that because L15 and L30 are designed for different pressure. Other than that yeah sure I agree with you
@agt155
4 жыл бұрын
@@komradearti9935 Rifled is far superior to smoothbore. The Americans wanted a rifled 120mm on M1 Abrams but were blackmailed into getting smoothbore. Even the Germans admitted the rifled gun was better. Have a read. books.google.co.uk/books?id=R9AQAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
@agt155
4 жыл бұрын
You are correct. Rifling gives fin rounds the slow spin they need for accuracy. Hence why even the newest Leopard 2 and M1 Abrams vversions are outranged by a 1983 Challenger 1..
@astoran3147
4 жыл бұрын
@@komradearti9935 fair but still charges need to be different
@agt155
4 жыл бұрын
@@komradearti9935 "The army believes that both the United Kingdom royal ordnance factories and the German contractor Rhienmetall make excellent hardware, and it's preference for the British approach is primarily based on its use of the rifled bore." Can't get much clearer than that. Read as much of the report as you can, it's much more insightful than the fairy-tale video gamers guff you get on here.
@Canadian789119
4 жыл бұрын
Brits love the HESH.
@markgallagher2386
4 жыл бұрын
It’s gun can’t be that bad - On 26 February 1991, a Challenger achieved the longest range confirmed kill of the war, destroying an Iraqi tank with an armour-piercing fin-stabilized discarding-sabot (APFSDS) round fired over a distance of 4,700 metres (2.9 mi)-the longest tank-on-tank kill shot recorded
@OninDynamics
4 жыл бұрын
"This video is sponsored by War Thunder" The very game where the Challenger II suffers the most.
@RECONRED1
4 жыл бұрын
If the gun is shit how came it got the longest tank kill to this day and we only last one and that was a challenger that did it ...so the only thing that can kill a challenger is a challenger ..
@dennis1701e
4 жыл бұрын
it was out of an firing Position against a T-55 as far as i know + how should other nations get longest range kills on other tanks when they usually stay on move and often closed in on enemies rather then staying far away in positions and just awaiting Targets? in that case it Comes down to not only the Crew specially gunner to get used to Terrain and distances but also one of the varriables the tanks own Speed falling away and in General when is last time tanks actually fought each other on Long distance and not in hilly terain where the possibility of a Long range kill is gone instantly also someone could already have a longer range tank kill as example Israelis but no one knows About it because they themselves are unsure About it. also shit is still good against other shit XD but honestly ist not shit its rather mediocre in that perspective but surely not shit
@ferrysyalim5191
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah yeah what ever u say...
@AdotLOM
4 жыл бұрын
Also, the fact about the rifled L30 not being more accurate is kinda not true; From what I've heard, the centre of any group of shots fired from the L30 is not centred as predictibly as a group of shots fired by a 120mm/125mm smoothbore. However, once you know where the centre of the grouping is, the actual dispersion of the shots is a lot smaller. This is probably a consequence of method of stabilisation being a sharp twist within a few meters (due to being spun by a rifled barrel) as opposed to a softer twist over hundreds/thousands of meters (like a fin stabilised projectile going through the air). Basically, it os perceived as being 'less accurate' due to the fact that it is harder to predict what point you should be aiming for, but once you calculate where you should aim, it is more likely to get the bullseye on the target.
@werrkowalski2985
4 жыл бұрын
Point is not that the gun can't perform, it has a bit worse barrel life and its ammunition is just limited in length which would leave it behind. Without further ammunition developments it wont be able to compete with other NATO MBTs in the near future, it would be stuck with current 700+ pen round.
@werrkowalski2985
4 жыл бұрын
@AdotLOM So after all it is kinda true that its more accurate? So I wasn't totally wrong lol
@David63987
4 жыл бұрын
is it just me or does the story of the challenger 2 sound awfully similar to the story of the L85
@MrBiggrim
4 жыл бұрын
Not really. Crews love their Chally's. First up, No Challenger has been destroyed in action. Minor Damage yes but repairable. Then there is the Gun - all Gun technology has ageing issues especially regarding improved target protection, be it the gun power or ammo. Technology moves on. But while Red suggests that smooth is more accurate, he should also throw in that the Chally Rifle has the longest range Combat Kill on record. Mobility is less of a issue for the UK. The Uk prefers Protection over speed. There was a study analysis carried out in the 80's when NATO was fielding all their new tanks back then, and that in large scale exercises In central European terrain - the front line of the expected war - It was found that the faster tanks ended up dead a lot quicker than the slower ones. Why ? Well the conclusion was that the crews ran their tanks - though accidentally - into the unseen enemy positions far closer than was tactically wise. It seems Commanders were too busy speedily motoring along, with a sense of gaining ground, and forgot to ask what was behind the next corner/hedge line/wood/ hill crest etc. There is a lot to be said about slow and methodical in war.
@andys7314
4 жыл бұрын
Further more I am a CR2 commsnder(well I was until I left in December) so after 14 years on the vehicle and also a a CR2 gunnery instructor I can, tell you now the only thing wrong with CR2 is, the thermal and night vision capability in which RBSL are working on...
@MrBiggrim
4 жыл бұрын
why are you suppressing food from the public - upgraded ? Fair enough. But wasn’t really the case with the first issued rifles.
@stephencrompton4352
4 жыл бұрын
@@SerinaDeMadrigal not when they first came into service
@stephentaylor8861
4 жыл бұрын
Stephen _ that’s then this is now
@gettafa
4 жыл бұрын
The Challenger unlike other western tanks has not been destroyed by hostile action and now its protection is even better. It has also has the record for the longest tank on tank kill at over 4,300m, with a older gun than s fitted now. It does not use two piece ammunition but uses three piece, do your research! Which as a ex-crewman I have used. Though I am not an expert on tank guns and ammo I can see not reason why suitable modifcation could not be made to either to obtain greater penetration.
@IzakSemrdoii
6 ай бұрын
Against a t55 are you proud of that? And challenger 2 only faced outdated tanks like t55 and t72m1 so no the combat history doesn't prove nothing
@markappleton9051
Жыл бұрын
Whatever 🤷🏽♂️ I would go to war in chally over any other tank any day
@gregorycampbell3663
4 жыл бұрын
Remember when Russia 🇷🇺 blew a 3-1 lead to Canada 🇨🇦 at the 2020 World junior hockey championship Pepperidge farm remembers
@jayzoo92
4 жыл бұрын
The farest tank knock out ever to be recorded has been done with a rifled gun of a british tank, so I don’t think they‘re doing anything wrong there. You should tell both sides of a story ;)
@Terry8238
4 жыл бұрын
You will find that your comment on challenge being taken out by a RPG was wrong . Yes you where right in that it was hit but it was a challenge 1 , not challenger 2 . The only time challenge 2 was hit was a blue on blue in gulf war 2 where one tank was shot from the rear
@hawkstable8889
2 жыл бұрын
The engine was designed to handle 1500 hp from the start, and the reliability at that level was found to be satisfactory. I believe the engines are derated for reduced wear. It shouldn't be impossible to increase the power output and I believe it would be done if it was seen as necessary.
@sampercham118
4 жыл бұрын
I thought this tank is a beast lol I still like it.
@eddgrs9193
4 жыл бұрын
It was a beast, but it's obsolete by today's standards. The British military wants to get the Leopard 2A7V, but some politicians don't want that. They want the turret and gun of the Leopard2 mounted on Challenger 2 chassis, with armor upgrades, new sensors and a new engine. That will cost more than just buying the Leo 2. The decision was postponed to 2021.
@AWMJoeyjoejoe
2 жыл бұрын
It is a beast.
@zwt7890
4 жыл бұрын
The Challenger 2 is sexy
@stocco4483
4 жыл бұрын
Ok.
@_Pyrophoric_
4 жыл бұрын
Nice try RedEffect, but there are so many inaccuracies in this it'll be hard to mention them all in a single comment.
@fury4539
4 жыл бұрын
Wait for the smoothbore 130mm gun with improved turret and hull to go in to production
@TnmExplosives
4 жыл бұрын
Good analysis. I understood the lower glacis was rather underprotected (due to being designed for hull down fighting), but did not consider the length of APFSDS being limited by 2 part ammo. Engine and weight concerns all valid too. Also the rifled gun requires that the APFSDS needs to be countertorqued by driving band to aviod spinning for accuracy to be maintained, another reason to replace gun with smoothbore.
@andys7314
4 жыл бұрын
Now I'm 4.02 into the video... So explain to me how having a rifled barrel is less accurate than its smmothbore counter parts? Oh wait it's not... Its MORE accurate If this wasn't the case, EVERY weapon in the world would have smooth barrels and not rifled barrels. Further more the Muzzle velocity from our L29 projectile is much higher than that of its smooth bore counterparts there fore increasing both effect on target and travelling distance... I think whoever has made this video needs to really dig deep into challenger 2 if you are going to try and critise it. You say the survivability of the vehicle is dissatisfactory however how many CR2 have been M or K killed by enemy fire? 1 only 1 CR2 has had an effective round onto the vehicle causing severe damage... That was the RPG 29. The only other time was by QRL in 2004 which was a blue on blue.. So explain to me where your getting your information from... How many abrams have been destroyed.. How many leopards have been destroyed? How many russian T series Tanks around the world have been destroyed... Loads... So, this video is redundant!!?
@gregoryclark8217
4 жыл бұрын
Whilst the rifled gun is more accurate than the smoothbore guns, it's only marginally more so. Modern ammunition for the smoothbore guns has made it like that. The barrel life is shorter on the rifles guns as well. That being said, I still think the Chally2 is the best MBT currently in service. The 2 part ammo isn't a problem as it makes life safer for the crew. The extra time taken to retrieve the propellant is pretty much the same as the time taken for the Abrams ammo door to decide to close. Also the projectile can be lap loaded in a chally2 saving more time. The video still has a good point though, it is a really heavy tank.
@rollingo8678
4 жыл бұрын
A lot of guys who’ve served on them say while a smooth bore is likely to hit out to about 1.5 miles, the rifled gun on the Challenger when fired at a target at the same distance WILL hit
@cursedcliff7562
4 жыл бұрын
Every other gun is smoothbore, M256 is smoothbore, L/44 is smoothbore and 2-A46M is also smoothbore, they have been since 1965 lol, and even in the chally the ammo is designed so that its only the ring around the sabot that spins, making the rifiling useless when APDSFS ammo is fired, they only made it rifled for HESH, and composite completely counters it, and also rifling takes away energy that could have been used to make the round faster and have more penetrating power
@andys7314
4 жыл бұрын
@@cursedcliff7562 composite armour counters which projectile? Hesh or FIN? As clearly you know nothing about CR2 by your comment... The rifling within the barrel was not made only for Hesh at all.. You do realise that ist the same barrel that was within CR1.. The L29 Du round only came into play later on down the line post 1999 however that's bye the bye... Your comment is useless my friend so get back on Wiki and try search for other useless info
@fi4re
4 жыл бұрын
@@andys7314 Are you here just to troll? You don't post any sources for your claims. How do you expect us to believe you? Seems like you're just another internet tough guy to me.
@1am2strong4you
5 ай бұрын
aged like a fine wine
@datcheesecakeboi6745
2 ай бұрын
no it hasnt, its mostly wrong
@roryforham
4 жыл бұрын
the barrel life isnt really an issue as it is chrome lined and made with electro slag refined steel and even then they are good for 400 full charges but they will get a lot more than 400 as training ammunition which is the most commonly used is lighter and uses much less powerfull propellant. plus there with the fleet being reduced by 40% their are plenty of spares to cannibalize and of the 446 made they would have been a lot of guns made. and the one of the advantages of 2/3 piece ammo is that you can carry more than 1 piece ammo. personaly i think the MOD should wait on the upgrade untill the 130mm Rheinmetall Rh-130 L/51 is ready and design the turret around that and give it a new powerpack and its back to being one of the best again like it was when it was first introduced
@CabbageBloke
4 жыл бұрын
If you're designing a new turret to fit a bigger and heavier gun, with the engine no doubt needing to be upgraded due to the heavier weight, it would be cheaper to just buy a new tank.
@markschoning5581
4 жыл бұрын
roryforham If the Challenger 2 will get a 120mm smoothbore gun and a new turret, that will be the Rh-120mm L-55A1 gun able to sustain higher gas pressure. In connection with the new DM73 (still under development) round, the armour penetration capability should be enhanced by at least 20% compared to the combination of the old L-55 gun and the DM63 round. At least according to Rheinmetall.
@anderlillemaa4392
3 жыл бұрын
*" MOD should wait on the upgrade untill the 130mm Rheinmetall Rh-130 L/51 is ready and design the turret around that"* kzitem.info/news/bejne/q26Jx5OnZn6raZw Yes, it's a chally hull
@denismorgan9742
Жыл бұрын
There is already a Challenger 3,hence Ukraine has the Challenger 2, and I don't understand what all the hassle was with the Leopard 2 when Germany has the Leopard 3.
@kilmentvoroshilov2827
4 жыл бұрын
i remember when top gear called the smoothbore on the abrams inaccurate even tho it isnt
@davidfriend9042
4 жыл бұрын
Ahhh, Jeremy's humour, although give it to him, rifling is more precise
@kilmentvoroshilov2827
4 жыл бұрын
@@davidfriend9042 no difference in accuracy as stated in video
@davidfriend9042
4 жыл бұрын
@@kilmentvoroshilov2827 Rifling allows for more consistent accuracy
@stephencrompton4352
4 жыл бұрын
That top gear, not a military analysis show. It's a show with three pal fucking about with cars.
@LeicesterRaver
4 жыл бұрын
Rifling gives greater accuracy out to farther distances. The rheinmettal based main guns are having to use bigger main charges to achieve higher velocities to compensate which puts more wear on the main gun.
@astoran3147
4 жыл бұрын
what? You want to tell me there are people that thinks that CR2 rof is lower than on other western tanks? Oh BTW nice video Red even for CR2 fanboy :D
@bomschhofmann1644
4 жыл бұрын
I know you are more of a tank person, but can you look at some infants fighting vehicles like the German puma and Marder or the US Bradley? While they of course are not as armored than tanks and don't have as much firepower, I think they are still an important part in an army and somthing that also deserves some love
@sparky6996
4 жыл бұрын
None of this matters when its aiming at you
@rogerarmy8659
4 жыл бұрын
Please just remember all of it is thought about and everything is planned to fit to a strategy. I agree with you on all of this however it has all been thought about.
@darthimperius8057
4 жыл бұрын
Your channel is great, keep it up 🥰
@henriverbrugghen8715
4 жыл бұрын
2:20 tank crews be eating good 😉
@Loubie2005
3 жыл бұрын
Our British military needs to stop being so stubborn and just upgrade the chally to a fuckin smoothbore
@truktronton88
4 жыл бұрын
How did the British fix their SA80 rifles? By contracting Germany's H&K. How will the British fix their Chally 2 MBTs? By contracting Germany's Rheinmetall. Before you know it British soldiers would be German nationals.
@FrostySire
4 жыл бұрын
Britain owned H&K when they fixed the SA80 and I think Rheinmetall have like 55% day of the upgrades meaning they have the main way over BAE. But hey they upgrade it and nothing to complain about
@fanfeck2844
4 жыл бұрын
Kevin Tobing , if we’re getting to pick soldiers from another nation, can we get them from a country that’s won a war rather than Germany. Thanks
@markschoning5581
4 жыл бұрын
Kevin Tobing The bizarre thing is, that when the MOD decided to buy the challenger 2, against the advice of their own experts ( which favored the Leopard II), the experts in the Military urged their principals at least to use the Rh-120mm smoothbore gun instead of L-30 rifled gun. Their request was denied. Now the Challenger 2 needs to be upgraded with a complete new turret, with-inevitably (a new turret is expensive)-tremendous costs! If the MOD would have followed the advise of their own experts 25 years ago, that would not be the case today. If the MOD had followed the advice of their own experts, it would be possible to safe millions and millions of the British taxpayers money today! ukdefencejournal.org.uk/challenger-2-the-wrong-tank-for-the-british-army/
@fanfeck2844
4 жыл бұрын
Mark Schöning , should countries not try and keep weapons manufacturing at home? What would happen if these countries that bought leopards went to war with German? I feel we waste millions of tax payers money on lots of things anyway
@markschoning5581
4 жыл бұрын
Fanfeck In principal I do agree, but sometimes you have to make a compromise. Also the US-Military adopted a licensed version of the Rheinmetall smoothbore gun. And usually the US Military/Government does also not like to use foreign, non US weapons as well. It must have been clear to the MOD that by implementing the rifled L30 gun, they had chosen a dead end. Keeping in mind the low amount of challenger 2 to be purchased. It had to be clear to everybody that it would be virtually impossible and economically senseless to develop new and better types of ammunition for such a small number of tanks. By purchasing the Rheinmetall gun it would have been possible for the Royal Army to use either modern German tungsten-alloy rounds (DM53/63 in the future DM73) or US DU-rounds(M829A3/A4). So a compromise would had been to build the Challenger from the start with a Rheinmetall smoothbore gun. As proposed by the expert group! Keep in mind that more than 3500 Leopard II and more than 10000 M1 Abrams have been build by now! All equipped with either the L44 or L55 smoothbore guns! Compare that to the total amount of all chally 2 ever build and especially to the number of Challenger 2 still in service!
@bazilmatthews9299
4 жыл бұрын
Loading two piece main armament was EASY. After loading the first round you had the first part in your arm before the gun fired. In Canada, on the move, we fired 8 rounds in the minute and then 6 rounds a minute for next 3 minutes. On a still vehicle our loads could have the gun ready 6 seconds after firing. With single part rounds you have to get rid of a casing before you can load
@jackrichardson3576
4 жыл бұрын
A tank designed for more defensive warfare than attacking warfare, a rifles gun that is about to be swapped out by a whole new smooth bore, for its job, it’s great, but for anything offensive it can be taken out much easier, the main advantage, the tea.
@TheQwazzy
4 жыл бұрын
when the shit hit the fan which tank do you want to be in? my bet it's the challenger 2
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