My favorite part of the patch was when the devs said "it's balancing time" and then balanced all over the place
@K1N9arthouros
2 ай бұрын
still waitin them to say "it's lyning time" 😔
@ojeinoway6968
3 ай бұрын
Euphoria and Not Like Us as the background music is crazy😭 great video
@robertfriedmann1845
3 ай бұрын
tldr, zss hurtbox got a bbl
@EDDYSUNSHINEv2
3 ай бұрын
LOL
@ShibuNub3305
3 ай бұрын
bbl sammy
@huyphan7825
3 ай бұрын
That's so funny. The model overhaul to ZSS to make her thiccer was as much to make her look better as a character design (Seriously Brawl ZSS and even her first overhaul was unrealistically skinny) as it was to nerf her by giving her a bigger set of hurt boxes and spheres.
@DrCoeloCephalo
3 ай бұрын
Who knew making women look like women was more practical?
@illford
3 ай бұрын
yeah idk why she was so skinny she was like a stick insect
@RTU130
3 ай бұрын
Hmmm
@forestskilbred9461
3 ай бұрын
@@illford idk isn't samus supposed to be genetically altered by the chozo to make her a freakishly tall skinny human woman?
@huyphan7825
3 ай бұрын
@@forestskilbred9461 Let's not open that can of worms. Sammy has more cake now, which is a good thing. Especially now so our attacks won't whiff anymore
@Leo98pm
3 ай бұрын
Aw man... I get ic's were a menace but those nerfs seem really significant
@hughmungus99
3 ай бұрын
ikr, kinda sucks they halved the ledge handoff distance. Turning fair spike into a meteor should have been enough coupled with the dthrow changes
@borkbork9541
3 ай бұрын
Most of the changes are pretty well thought out, but there's some outliers like reverting Marth dair to its og landing lag and nerfing Link that I don't think anybody was asking for, but I don't know for sure.
@VisaCardholder
3 ай бұрын
Is giving him, like, 1% less damage on one move really that bad? I guess the weight change is pretty big. But the third change they made seems like a huge buff. That's gonna make boomerang WAY safer.
@borkbork9541
3 ай бұрын
@VisaCardholder I mean yeah, the kb is uncompensated so it's just a flat nerf to his best kill confirm, I'd argue that's kind of a big deal. The grounded boomerang catch animation could always be avoided by shielding or being in any other animation anyway so it's not at all a buff to how much you can spam it, just a quality of life change, which while Nice is not in any way compensation to the other nerfs imo
@xMikau
3 ай бұрын
The link nerf baffled me. I'm not at all competitive in P+, but was Link really strong? Didn't strike me as glaringly powerful in any capacity, and seemed less strong than toon link
@115zombies935
3 ай бұрын
@@xMikauNo, he was a mid tier, upper half of B tier. Absolutely no idea why he got nerfed.
@gamesincharacter5106
3 ай бұрын
I wonder if Lyn will ever be added in the near future or any of the scraped characters
@spaceace9103
3 ай бұрын
Last patch not like us
@normalperson7
3 ай бұрын
if you were to pick a main it would probably be ice climberrrrrs
@sethswoodruff
3 ай бұрын
Great video! Thanks for documenting these changes
@DrCoeloCephalo
3 ай бұрын
I really apreciate how the dev team makes really well thought out small changes to top tiers. I despise how main series Smash thinks gutting and overnerfing previously successful characters is effective game design when it just makes the characters less fun on almost all angles. Wario had some tweaks to grab knockback growth and Waft body hitbox knockback. Minor stuff that I can live with because the character and his combo options remain fun.
@nateinman1
3 ай бұрын
They literally removed all of the tools for one of the game’s top tiers lmao get out 💀
@DrCoeloCephalo
3 ай бұрын
@@nateinman1 If they removed "literally all", then that would require the character to not be in the game anymore. The character still exists in the game. That is not what those words mean. Maybe you should get out and get a dictionary.
@nateinman1
3 ай бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo Ohhh so he’s a smartass :D
@PME_FGC
3 ай бұрын
In most cases with main smash titles, they'll also nerf the low tiers every patch even if they're bottom 3 (Little Mac)
@Retr0_ADHD
3 ай бұрын
@@nateinman1 "Ohhhh so he's a smartass" or maybe he's right and you can't think of anything else to say
@AllBladesCut
3 ай бұрын
Surprised you didn’t touch on sonic, basically only nerfs this patch huh.
@115zombies935
3 ай бұрын
Seems like all the changes were nerfs. The game got brought down a lot.
@sean77408
3 ай бұрын
So excited for this update, btw You got anywhere we can donate to get you a better microphone??
@surfingraichu7594
3 ай бұрын
Personally love all the changes, feels more justified using the previously busted characters even amongst my less skilled friends. Hoping for volleyball singles & doubles in 4.0🤞costumes & music has never been P+’s strongest suit tho but I can always figure out how to replace that myself I guess👍
@mstipak
3 ай бұрын
W BACKGROUND MUSIC
@jtg15115
3 ай бұрын
WHAT IS IT THE BRAIDS?
@MyKeal
3 ай бұрын
I hurt your feelings you don’t wan work with me no more OKAY
@hahahalala-i1x
3 ай бұрын
making zss thiccer ain't a nerf that's a buff in my opinion
@Rammy_Latin
3 ай бұрын
So true 🙏🏾
@ameliabaroni2650
3 ай бұрын
Man, they nerfed most of the cast. I want to play the new update, but I'm afraid the devs will nerf me too
@Emerald3ME
3 ай бұрын
I hope we get rollback!
@GetOffMyLog
3 ай бұрын
The team working on brawlback is reportedly making headway!
@MrStroodle
3 ай бұрын
Without my girl Lyn and my boy Isaac, the vision will never be fulfilled 😭
@CrapMyHat
3 ай бұрын
Better yet just add Waluigi.
@K00paK1ng
3 ай бұрын
There better been a bowser buff 🤬
@onepieceguyz9960
3 ай бұрын
He got A buff
@ordeosca
3 ай бұрын
netplay combos 9 mention
@CannibalSerb
3 ай бұрын
Legit saved me so much time shoutout Chaloopy
@raintalonxOc
2 ай бұрын
Zss got put in the ground jesus
@CannibalSerb
3 ай бұрын
RIP to my hammer children
@CarterShaw
3 ай бұрын
They massacred them
@Anthony-zl7yz
3 ай бұрын
To anyone crying about the nerfs, I think p+ desperately needed this. I feel like p+ and pm can be frustrating for melee players to play since a lot of the combo routes and options are way easier and often times free (ie the many grab kill confirms). Like low and mid teirs in melee required a lot of work arounds to their lack of options that make them fun to explore and extremely hype to watch in bracket. When I see the same knuckles combo a million times in tournaments it gets old. I think these nerfs are actually quite amazing, it almost feels like they had a vision to de-homogenize the consistant playstyle of every (higher tier) character, and give them a chance to be diversified and explored. I think watching characters like lucas and knuckles will be much more interesting now because people will have to change up how they play the same character rather than all doing the same things.
@z-leigh6554
3 ай бұрын
Changing magnet pressure was indeed good. This way there's a reason to at least alternate between magnet and djc on shield
@surfingraichu7594
3 ай бұрын
@@Anthony-zl7yz yeah, I think they’re trying to tone down the braindead overly powerful stuff half the cast has had so far. There’s less time for neutral and defense when top tiers touch you and you die, every character being Fox is not fun so I think the changes were great and no character got destroyed or anything like a lot of people in this comment section cries about.
@Anthony-zl7yz
3 ай бұрын
@@surfingraichu7594 agreed 😤😤
@Himihan
24 күн бұрын
You're a legend.
@notswush
3 ай бұрын
they not like us
@_fudgepop01
3 ай бұрын
Fantastic video :3
@GetOffMyLog
3 ай бұрын
Great video!
@henrybitencourt
3 ай бұрын
i wish you guys buff the weaker characters so they can keep up more often
@xeonthecow8411
3 ай бұрын
3:32 omg is this the euphoria beat
@bibbyboxx2219
3 ай бұрын
Great video!!
@superflameking03
3 ай бұрын
I feel like Knuckles shouldn't have his glide and spring. Maybe he should have a new up special that doesn't help too much with recovery since his glid is broken. It could be a flaming uppercut!
@B.27y
3 ай бұрын
No Buffs?
@Prod_Venny
3 ай бұрын
yea I'm sticking to pm 3.0
@toxicpunk1520
Ай бұрын
i cant get this on mac plz help
@IvaHaze
26 күн бұрын
Does puff have any buffs?
@butthemeatwasbad
Ай бұрын
Isn't it a dagger to make nerfs that completely remove certain options this late into the life of a very niche game? I haven't played since the PMDT disbanded, but even nerfs back then were hard to swallow. I can't imagine how hard it is to adapt now.
@sikeyouthought2484
3 ай бұрын
Sonic definitely got hit the hardest. Nerfs all over, on stage and recovery. They went a little too overboard with the nerfs and now UP B is pretty broken (not in a good way) lot of weird ass bias going around with the devs sadly…
@CannibalSerb
3 ай бұрын
Sonic was an HM in the original script lmao
@zivi3862
Ай бұрын
Ice climbers seem very nerfed now…. They gonna drop on the tierlist for sure
@BobbyBasketball19999
3 ай бұрын
playing Euphoria in the background lmfao
@stargazersdance
3 ай бұрын
When
@JHarrisBrass
3 ай бұрын
They not like us*
@BobbyBasketball19999
3 ай бұрын
@@JHarrisBrass I didn’t even get that far yet hahaha, Euphoria played right before
@patrickrolens
3 ай бұрын
Patch 4.0 when?
@javi994
3 ай бұрын
Give it another 4 years 😂
@A1AION
3 ай бұрын
Euphoria beat lol
@alejandrovasquez4948
3 ай бұрын
What I find kind of frustrating about these changes is that the only top tier hit was zss. The rest as just high tiers with powerful but not broken traits
@115zombies935
3 ай бұрын
A bunch of mid tiers got nerfed too for some strange reason
@RosalinaSama
3 ай бұрын
meta knight got nerfed a fair amount
@xtinaxendrix
3 ай бұрын
sonic, wolf, dk, knuckles, sheik, mk, falcon and lucario all got hit at least a bit
@Bellulaa
3 ай бұрын
hell yeah
@gio_setsuna
3 ай бұрын
Question where can I grab P+ for dolphin and anyone have good recommendations on downloading legacy XP as well?
@Beastmd
3 ай бұрын
Can you make a video on buffs next?
@CannibalSerb
3 ай бұрын
The buffs in this patch were much more in the margins, not sure they’re exciting or significant enough for a full video But I’ll consider it 🤔
@tonythejhit7104
3 ай бұрын
how can I get plus?
@melee9183
3 ай бұрын
Still waiting for the gamecube adapter overclock to work. :(
@JoeSmith-db4rq
3 ай бұрын
But still no Zelda buffs 😔 Nah jk jk haha - super stoked to see the changes and I love the format you used to explain the effects and purpose behind the changes :)
@GurimuAU
3 ай бұрын
She did get buffed a little bit. The vertical speed of Din's Fire was increased.
@ailurophilekia6565
3 ай бұрын
I just watched a video of yours from 2 weeks ago with high quality audio. Now I'm watching a video from 1 week ago and suddenly it's difficult to understand what you're saying. What happened?
@CannibalSerb
3 ай бұрын
We’re a team with different editors and narrators, assuming the “you” is referring to this channel lmao
@ailurophilekia6565
3 ай бұрын
@@CannibalSerb Oh that makes sense. You know I noticed the way this narrator spoke was very different from the last one but I assumed I was imagining it.
@Boilerguydave
3 ай бұрын
Did they add roll back?
@runaway74
3 ай бұрын
Not yet, probably not for another year or two
@kirbycardenas-vo8mj
3 ай бұрын
I know the beat the background
@superlukas1368
3 ай бұрын
Mario got nerf 😢
@SuperStro509
3 ай бұрын
They Not Like Us playing while Knuckles is on is so perfect 😂
@gnarly814
3 ай бұрын
ZSS nerfs kinda feel overkill.
@CTomCooper
3 ай бұрын
From what I remember with using her she was just very solid all around, but didn’t feel as technically strict or precise as other characters in order to do well. Though I say that as a Captain Falcon main who came from Melee, so it might be my biases there.
@roachewy
Ай бұрын
this patch is just nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf
@Heyim18bro
3 ай бұрын
rip pikachu
@CannibalSerb
3 ай бұрын
Pikachu was net buffed this patch lmao, all his worst matchups got hit hard
@Heyim18bro
3 ай бұрын
@@CannibalSerb how bout just buff my man?
@PERSONALEEMG
3 ай бұрын
wap wap wap wap wap
@ThirdXavier
3 ай бұрын
Algorithm boost comment
@ln8496
3 ай бұрын
Dks dash grab untouched. Dumb
@115zombies935
3 ай бұрын
Disappointing patch IMO. Nerfs across the board.
@Brob2nd
3 ай бұрын
Keeo getting 'emotional' over nerfs to your characters lol
@115zombies935
2 ай бұрын
@@Brob2nd Looks like you took the L on that comment 😂
@noobtuber10
3 ай бұрын
Synch side b with icies works that way in melee though
@CannibalSerb
3 ай бұрын
Yeah it’s still a nerf from what it used to be though
@paz8723
3 ай бұрын
Random ass DK nerfs
@freddiesimmons1394
3 ай бұрын
Random how
@115zombies935
3 ай бұрын
Everyone is getting nerfed for some reason. Just another reason to play PM over P+ it seems
@freddiesimmons1394
3 ай бұрын
@@115zombies935 or you could be objective instead of fall victim to loss aversion. The better game isnt just the one with the stronger, more extreme characters. Ugh
@115zombies935
3 ай бұрын
@@freddiesimmons1394 Nah, making everyone less fun to play and reducing the depth of the game across the board with universal changes on top of it all ain’t it. Definitely isn’t gonna help revive the game that’s for sure.
@freddiesimmons1394
3 ай бұрын
@@115zombies935 aw its only fun if your character is better? Instead of balanced? Maybe after your balls drop you'll see that games are not about power maxing
@2000xmegaman
3 ай бұрын
Add shadow 😭
@Mufflin
3 ай бұрын
knuckles nerfs? L
@LAZRGATR
3 ай бұрын
I like how modern tourneys have pronouns next to the players names as if I couldn’t tell that was a dude lmao
@Dontannoyme34894
3 ай бұрын
Who even plays this lol
@mikehasfallen
3 ай бұрын
A lot of people.
@hassoncarmon5779
3 ай бұрын
Me
@Brob2nd
3 ай бұрын
Many, many people, and if you think i'm lying and nobody plays it, well, i'm the only person that plays P+ then
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