the fact that This video got recommended to me who is don’t see any education channel videos in KZitem, suggest that this video is in the process to become viral. I like this notation, I like to make everything complex,😂pls pin me , before the video become viral
@Bendoo_
2 ай бұрын
Yeah same
@maestro3887
Ай бұрын
I left a comment 6 months ago but for some reason this video got now recommended to me again and I saw this pinned comment so I'm leaving my mark here (even if I don't like the notation).
@timereaper4428
Ай бұрын
here before this blows up
@lestath2345
Ай бұрын
It doesn't suggest that at all
@ConceivedSorrow
2 ай бұрын
You don't "propose" a notation, you write a book where you use it and people will accept it bc "it's in the book"
@UjjwalOmar
Ай бұрын
I do this and use my made up words and notations in my notes.
@table5584
Ай бұрын
@@UjjwalOmarconlanging at its peak
@table5584
Ай бұрын
Ok thanks for the feedback. I don’t know any higher level mathematics besides some linear algebra, topology, and group theory so this probably won’t get used in the future.
@friedstein4289
Ай бұрын
@@table5584 I was advised to seek the help of a professor. A mathematician told me to work/develop the notation with a professor and eventually have it published (Encountered it accidentally with no intention or idea that it's new until I was told). Have you considered/done that?
@DefinitlyAPerson
11 ай бұрын
This introduces geometric combinatorial limits with the whole curved line thing as there is only room for tetration, plus there is Knuth's up-arrow notation which is already a perfect notation, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
@TheProGamerMC20
8 ай бұрын
sin^2 and cos^2: am i a joke to you?
@EitrVethr
11 ай бұрын
I don't like it if I'm being honest
@djfghjif
9 ай бұрын
no.
@sakuhoa
Ай бұрын
Why? Tetration isn't even that useful, and whenever I see one it's usually in arrow notation.
@egoreremeev9969
Ай бұрын
First of all, tetration isn't used much, second of all, knuth notation already exists
@Unyx22
2 ай бұрын
Is this referencing tetration? because that isn't used often enough to warrant an extra notation I don think Cool concept though
@pim0n
11 ай бұрын
10/10 recommend watching this while taking a dump
@jordyandrews
11 ай бұрын
RIGHT HERE!!!!
@table5584
11 ай бұрын
Can I have $$$19999999 dollars pleasesee
@alex-chaseatlantic4lifer776
2 ай бұрын
I'll give you credit for the creativity. If tetrations weren't so useless, this would probably be a good notation, but given that some math teachers even never heard of tetrations talks about how useless they really are. They're rarely ever used, and exponential combined with tetration is not something as useful. I like the notation symbol, it is unique, and creative, but the idea itself not so unique. Take for example: ³(2²), this can be written as ³4 = 4^(4⁴), same for (³2)², it's the same as (2^(2²))² = ⁴2. Great notation, but in application, quite useless as tetration is also useless.
@HashimAl-Atassi2013
2 ай бұрын
(2^(2^2))^2 ≠ 4th tetration of 2 first one is 16^2, second one is 2^16
@alex-chaseatlantic4lifer776
2 ай бұрын
@@HashimAl-Atassi2013 Yeah, my bad
@M_1024
2 ай бұрын
Why would that be useful? What uses tetration anyway?
@jaydonNEWi
2 ай бұрын
Graham’s number
@M_1024
2 ай бұрын
@@jaydonNEWi But it uses higher order operations, not just tetretion, so its clearer with arrow notation.
@camerongray7767
2 ай бұрын
I don’t think it is a BAD idea, but brackets are just much more intuitive
@baltofarlander2618
2 ай бұрын
Well, Polish Notation exists... and it is often unreadable, no wonder it has "Polish" in name.
@low-litlight3438
3 ай бұрын
The problem with this notation is that it’s incredibly specific. Like, it has such a niche use that regardless of its quality it could never become commonplace unless combining tetration and exponentiation suddenly become super useful
@hmmm6200
Ай бұрын
also just the fact that it doesnt even save that much writing effort
@spyresoblazx
Ай бұрын
New notation is cool, I appreciate the iterating and making it look good and clean Tetration really just doesn't need any additional notation And this actually increases the writing complexity (two imprecise curves vs two precise curves)
@codename-abdullah
3 ай бұрын
That one jobless friend:
@Cessated
2 ай бұрын
why does everyone seem to absolutely hate this
@PROtoss987
2 ай бұрын
because tetration is already useless enough
@hmmm6200
Ай бұрын
@@PROtoss987 and because his proposal sucks
@rjx1495
11 ай бұрын
Could be mistaken for a square root symbol, but more importantly, the original wasn't bad at all so it doesn't need to be revised or fixed.
@aymanadyel3515
11 ай бұрын
where could this be used tho ? i’ve never seen tetration be used in any useful problem cool concept tho
@table5584
11 ай бұрын
I honestly have no idea of it’s implications. I just made it up in 7th grade and kept it to that. But it’s a stroke less than using parenthesis :S (if that really matters).
@danielfleming5585
2 ай бұрын
⬆️⬆️ if you know, you know…
@not_estains
2 ай бұрын
i love tetration
@Bendoo_
2 ай бұрын
Tetration
@atomgutan8064
2 ай бұрын
Donald Knuth's arrow notation :)
@liamturman
6 ай бұрын
Tetration isn't used commonly, so if you want to use tetration this way I doubt many would be too opposed.
@uwuowo7775
5 ай бұрын
3 years later the guy who recorded it will drop a proof tor the riemann's hypothesis using this notation
@MikeHawk-s2g
2 ай бұрын
@@uwuowo7775And it turns out that every subsequent discovery in math just couldn’t be explained by our bad notation.
@uwuowo7775
2 ай бұрын
@@MikeHawk-s2g which totally makes sense tbh
@user-mp6sw2tu5v
Ай бұрын
Tetration notation doesn't need to change, and tetration is rarely used.
@pickleddolphinmeatwithhors677
Ай бұрын
Opinion ignored
@bamberghh1691
Ай бұрын
@@pickleddolphinmeatwithhors677reply discarded
@poppinjim5154
Ай бұрын
*balls exploded*
@nekomimicatears
Ай бұрын
Leg dissasembled
@HJ28_398
Ай бұрын
ribcage splayed
@ocloudx
2 ай бұрын
Is this a Tetration operator? Beyond my scope of knowledge...
@omardiaz6255
Ай бұрын
The real challenge us to make it for latex,
@Aivo382
3 ай бұрын
Not bad honestly... If I mind to do a new notation proposal, I would do it with the inverted root for logarithms.
@sunnyarora7177
2 ай бұрын
Its kinda useless though because tetration isn't used that much, the output number is pretty large
@tjeffersonb
2 ай бұрын
why would you ever need to tetrate an exponent? much less tetrate in general
@jonah1077
11 ай бұрын
what's the point of making new notation for tetration which is already very scarcely used
@ihatetheantichrist-
11 ай бұрын
Fun
@table5584
11 ай бұрын
My boredom in school lead to its creation.
@jonathanlister5644
10 ай бұрын
It keeps the loonies of the streets.
@Bendoo_
2 ай бұрын
I like the notation, it gives writing that a neat look
@PabloSanchez-zh6si
2 ай бұрын
At first i thought jt was notation for a lebesgue integral and i liked it, this hasnt much use tbh
@darcash1738
2 ай бұрын
Interesting but another idea is that because of the binary nature of this, we could simplify further with whatever symbols we like and alternate between them to indicate the order. I was thinking underline and overline. Underline would indicate it would go first, and the length of the underline could indicate that this would be a step, and would switch to the other side after that. If there is only one operation, the one that is underlined is the one that comes first. For convenience I’m gonna use ^^ to mean tetration. Also same order that you did with the ops and using an and b. And I forget how to do underline in text here so I’ll use a tilda. ^^b(x^a) = ^^b x^ã (^^a x)^b = ^^ã x^b And for multiple ops like I said, the length of the underline or overline would mark out that that is a full operation
@stratoshine
Ай бұрын
i accept this new notation
@table5584
Ай бұрын
@@stratoshine Thank you, I value your use of my proposed notation. Please keep in mind that this is not a widely used notation.
@tofidu
2 ай бұрын
Yes but... why?
@table5584
2 ай бұрын
Easier
@smartone9025
10 ай бұрын
I think this would work better some something like integration, but the elongated S could never be beat.
@Seltyk
8 ай бұрын
Because higher-order operations get precedence, tetration is implicitly done before exponentiation, thus ²x³ is already (²x)³ without ambiguity. The other form, ²(x³), risks looking like the a'th root of x^b in your notation.
@erenoguz3297
2 ай бұрын
First of all, it looks very good. At first it’s a bit a hard to understand but just a few seconds of looking at it is good enough, but I don’t really think it’s necessary.We already have a decently simple notation and considering how rarely used tetration is, this specific situation doesn’t need its own notation. As I said even though this notation is pretty useless it look amazing.Good job😊😊
@not_estains
2 ай бұрын
i love tetration
@liammoore1066
Ай бұрын
Unfortunately tetration just isn’t that useful in the first place. I think the notation was fine the way it is but perhaps this notation could be used some other way.
@bilkishchowdhury8318
Ай бұрын
You comment underneath a video flowing with the purest of pure mathematical knowledge, but you choose to think about usefulness! You should be banished to the engineering realm.
@danik0011
2 ай бұрын
very rarely used. well, if you do use it, write those 2 equations with a "def" before them (for define) before your actual math.
@symboleon4482
2 ай бұрын
Hyper specific, not universally applicable or clear. It almost looks like a badly written integral with only one limit. Try again. Or find a more fundamental way to notate which can be used to this hyper specific example here
@joaquinbenitez7737
11 ай бұрын
DONT LET BRO COOK EVER AGAIN 🗣🗣🗣🥶
@georgfolwerk2531
8 ай бұрын
FR
@vat1n456
6 ай бұрын
toxic
@Vsevolodbochkov
3 ай бұрын
BRO TRIED TO COOK AND ACCIDENTALLY PROVED RIEMANN'S HYPOTHESIS🗣️🔥🔊
@isavenewspapers8890
2 ай бұрын
Points for creativity, but what exactly is wrong with just using parentheses?
@lacku2677
Ай бұрын
Mathematicians rarely use tetration
@lucascheng6276
3 ай бұрын
I genuinely thought that was for integration.
@mlgswaycash5103
3 ай бұрын
same
@nguyenthai3140
4 ай бұрын
I understand. The ~ is the to separate the exponent and the tetration. And maybe if you put the ~ backwards, you might get (x^^a)^b. But the tetration is a very uncommon notation and lots of people doesn't even know it. I refer that notation for x^(a/b) instead
@angadsingh1497-edits
2 ай бұрын
First, X raised to a power and then, Tetrated to ANOTHER? These are very big values which can help in particle counting. Very great concept and I suppose this can be very useful.
@crazychaba9816
11 ай бұрын
What are you cooking😭🤣🤣🤣 Tetration is already confusing to newcomers. Please dont make it worse😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@shieldgenerator7
11 ай бұрын
he's disambiguifying which operator comes first when you have tetration mixed with exponents
@nubestouo
2 ай бұрын
tbh would use it if its a real thing u dont rlly have any chance of writing any tetration notation unless study in hyperoperation ect stuff so the use range is very limited
@L3g0_99
Ай бұрын
it makes sense, if you straiten the line the powers go above to the necessary spot
@fatfurry
Ай бұрын
this is not useful. it saves writing 1 parenthesis
@Nakazera
2 ай бұрын
When you write fast, the first one is going to look like a square root
@ControllerGOBOOMBOOM
4 ай бұрын
There's not much of a difference though, and would just confuse ppl who have already learnt it in the standard way
@hollowbs7
2 ай бұрын
Is the b on the left side of first equation meant to represent tetration? I am confused by why you used that as a first example. I don’t even know of an instance where tetration is used enough to justify a new math notation. I am not trying to insult or discredit the attempt by any means. I am purely asking out of curiosity and because of ignorance, lol.
@cristianvranic8433
2 ай бұрын
Well, I can see why you might want to use a notation like this to clearly distinguish between tetration and exponentiation. From a didactic point of view, this could be useful. Additionally, placing the sign of negative numbers above them, instead of to the left, might help beginners who often get confused by the traditional notation. However, since we are so accustomed to the current notations, I don’t think they will change anytime soon. It’s great to propose new ideas though! :D
@table5584
2 ай бұрын
There will probably be several ideas for new functions and new notation in the future. I myself could probably think of a couple other functions with their own notation that could potentially be practical in other fields such as group theory and real analysis. I probably won’t upload any of them until they are as practical as the Chinese character for door.
@hatacoyama1246
11 ай бұрын
up arrow >>>>
@table5584
11 ай бұрын
Carrot ^^^^
@Yegor_Mechanic
2 ай бұрын
Wait, is that tetration?
@yaboirequis
2 ай бұрын
Yes
@solomioist
Ай бұрын
You have to write a publication (book, paper, etc), publish it in a journal and hope that someone will pick up your notation. This is how new math is invented
@doe-dw9lo
Ай бұрын
I don't think replacing brackets with a squiggly line is new math
@jojojorisjhjosef
Ай бұрын
accepted.
@yehonatanalperon-gk1sh
Ай бұрын
This is a good idea, but it isn't make it simplier to understand. So that (X^a)^b is still the best choice.
@f.b.i6889
Ай бұрын
Having right hyperscripts as exponents is so weird though. We normally evaluate expressions left to right but with exponents, aside from reading them top-down, we evaluate them right to left. I know it's because when we say it, we say the base before the exponent, but that's arbitrary. For example, with division we could have just as easily have said "y under x" instead of "x over y". I feel as though it would be better if we didn't use hyperscripts for basic operations and have both exponents and tetrations extend to the right with a symbol inbetween the two arguments like with most basic operations.
@yehonatanalperon-gk1sh
Ай бұрын
@@f.b.i6889 What's your point? You dis/liked his proposal?
@jonathanlister5644
10 ай бұрын
He's tetering on the brink of insanity.
@trufflefur
2 ай бұрын
Unnecesarily hard to implement in Unicode, take that in count next time xwx
@owouwuilyihy
2 ай бұрын
Unicode my ass
@zeroanims4113
2 ай бұрын
real
@lambda653
2 ай бұрын
Why would you need special notation for a combination of exponentiation and tetration?
@flavioroberto9960
2 ай бұрын
Why wouldn't
@hmmm6200
Ай бұрын
@@flavioroberto9960 when do you ever encounter a power-tower surely not so commonly that you neeed another special notation to save yourself a ridicolously tiny bit of effort just to add more confusing symbols?
@hmmm6200
Ай бұрын
hell even when you do get a power-tower, theyre usually [something]^^infinity tetration is basically never used
@table5584
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback everyone, it was helpful. The reason for this notation is to simplify the notation even further from 2 strokes to 1 stroke. I’ll try to make another video making a nicer notation (that looks like the modern font used in math).
@crazychaba9816
10 ай бұрын
That would be very good.❤️
@adamel-sawaf4045
2 ай бұрын
Looks pretty, just doesn’t seem that scaleable for complicated values of a and b, like things with several terms, such as x^(3p+2q+5r), for example.
@Black_hole234
2 ай бұрын
That's just teteration with exponentiation. If teteration is useless, this also HAS to be useless.
@IIAOPSW
2 ай бұрын
ITs not just useless, its useless squared
@Black_hole234
2 ай бұрын
@@IIAOPSW IT's not just useless squared, it's useless teterated to 2
@kmyc89
Ай бұрын
From practical looking - (ultra) rare things may don't need an evolution. The symbol you know from (square-) roots, have start as "r" , from latin "radix". kzitem.info/news/bejne/uYql0Iuwh5ZerKQ Your current notation reminds btw the b-th root of x^a (and vice-versa) --spam-- The integral symbol kzitem.info/news/bejne/pISVyqmgo39ydGU
@hkayakh
2 ай бұрын
Pretty interesting. I’ll go recommend it to the god of math
@mattoucas869
2 ай бұрын
Do people even use tetration?
@table5584
2 ай бұрын
Yes, of course
@mattoucas869
2 ай бұрын
@@table5584 Oh, kewl
@prajval37
2 ай бұрын
@@table5584 no they don't
@table5584
2 ай бұрын
@@prajval37 yes they do do you have proof
@prajval37
2 ай бұрын
@@table5584 do YOU have proof that people use tetration?
@xadxtya
2 ай бұрын
Seems overly complicated since tetration isn't as common as something like integration
@maestro3887
8 ай бұрын
I think that notation is good when it's coherent. Not when it's easier to write down. The notation for a subset for example could also be like three dots in a row but it wouldn't be coherent with the notation for a set and an "is equal to". It's a fun idea but it's not very efficient, especially when you consider that math should be as simple to understand as possible, since it is a language and the following generations will have to learn it.
@time3735
Ай бұрын
This is not a useful notation but it will definitely bring an infinitesimally small difference by making life just a little easier than before.
@fatfurry
Ай бұрын
it's not easier because its a new symbol you have to memorize and it only saves writing 1 symbol every time its used
@HJ28_398
Ай бұрын
@@fatfurry stretch it for larger formulae? ((a+b+c+d+e...)↑↑2)^2 = (a+b+c+d+e...) with a massive curve on the top and 2 numbers. It seems like it'd become more of a nuisance
@instinx9154
11 ай бұрын
tetration notation
@PerfectoidJosh
Ай бұрын
How exactly do I use this in Latex
@schizoframia4874
11 ай бұрын
But why
@Qwsgwx
6 ай бұрын
As a person with a math level equivalent to algebra 2 and basic statistics for marketing, this looks interesting. I don’t get it, don’t know what I could do with it, don’t even know why we have to write the ~ but it is interesting. Math people be a whole other level.
@Brother_K
6 ай бұрын
This is for distinguishing exponentiation from tetration, which is some niche operation. It’s essentially to exponentiation what exponentiation is to multiplication. If you had two tetrated to three you’d have 2^2^2^2, which comes out to 65536. Three tetrated to three gives a number too large for most calculators. The numbers get very large very fast and there aren’t many applications so you won’t see it outside of pure math.
@huhneat1076
Ай бұрын
Everyone's asking why but honestly I like silly math notation
@jonathanlister5644
10 ай бұрын
The lunatic is on the grass...
@GamerGod_99
9 ай бұрын
I wanted to make a Pink Floyd joke but I got nothing
@yogitshankar6348
11 ай бұрын
Keep using until it gets mainstream 🎉
@epiccrusadr8583
2 ай бұрын
I was failing algebra 2 last year so i dont know what is going on but it seems even more complicated
@mesplin3
4 ай бұрын
I think exponents are just backwards. Exponent then base, not base then exponent. The inverse, logarithm, remains base then exponent.
@NStripleseven
2 ай бұрын
This would get used maybe once ever.
@Blue_Nades
Ай бұрын
I feel like this is gonna blow up
@nkeshpatel4296
Ай бұрын
Let’s see Paul Allen’s new math notation
@SamueleCastiglioni
29 күн бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@dimi3978
5 ай бұрын
Thank you KZitem algorithm.
@m4rzb4rz-qq3yq
Ай бұрын
Nah at that point just write it in english x^squared
@readjordan2257
2 ай бұрын
Stuff only will be accepted if it solves a need. I have a whole slew of intuitive and time-saving notation for GCD, Let, plotting if then in reverse because youre bad at note taking, Mod x, and much more. But despite how fluid, distinct, simple, and useful it all is, mathematicians really arent bothered by the fully-written notation.
@roygalaasen
2 ай бұрын
Looks interesting, just curious about nesting them things.
@Cow.cool.
2 ай бұрын
the parenthesis arent that bad to be honest
@dyzphoriia
6 ай бұрын
it doesn't really fit in with the othr symbols
@jaydnsch
11 ай бұрын
This is genius
@UncleMarkKnowsHisMaths
2 ай бұрын
No need when you can already write and know the meaning of it
@borscht7743
11 ай бұрын
No. >disabled by owner cope.
@detader8846
Ай бұрын
replacing it doesnt make any sense
@termin1071
Ай бұрын
What is your problem? you dont like brackets?
@heiu304
Ай бұрын
Fr tho
@MrOliveKing
2 ай бұрын
I think it looks fine, but it doesn't really have a use.
@swdetroiter313
Ай бұрын
This MIGHT be useful in sieves for giant prime twins. MIGHT
@justafanofalphabetlore
7 ай бұрын
It’s just an invented function involving tetration. So it is possible to solve the tetration problem with equation systems. That leads to a finite sum but get a good approach like that. tet_2(1) = 1+z+y =2. tet_2(2)= 1+2z+4y = 8 and tet_2(-1) = 1-z+y = 0. This excellent approach lead me to get any points of tetration without to calculate with complex methods (and unfortunately fails).
@shashank9477
11 ай бұрын
if it ain't broke then don't fix it
@Jesuisunknown
2 ай бұрын
Drawing the line thing sounds like laughing
@Exvixcity
2 ай бұрын
This doesn't even save much time. This is incredibly pointless and redundant
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