God damn son I don’t ever want to see those sandals or anything like them ever again
@PrecisionResponse
6 жыл бұрын
Get used to disappointment. :)
@stevearce1498
3 жыл бұрын
😭
@oldcop18
6 жыл бұрын
I appreciate watching another south paw shoot a qualification course. When I shoot for LEOSA qualification as a retiree I usually have to stand at the far left lane on the range. Qualified this summer w/a score of 90% and I’m in my 70s.
@PrecisionResponse
6 жыл бұрын
They do normally try to stick us on the end, don't they? :)
@campbell4417
4 жыл бұрын
it's been years since I've done my qual, so this video was extremely helpful and to the point with reminding me how to set up the course. Going to do it myself next week and take my dad through it with his new conceal carry holster!
@PrecisionResponse
4 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped. Good luck!
@FUNshoot
8 жыл бұрын
Good video! It's also worth pointing out this particular USMC course is more difficult and "advanced" compared to many military and law enforcement qualification standards.
@Kanoshe
5 жыл бұрын
it's not. it's about the same if anything a little easier with par times than leo courses of fire
@PrecisionResponse
5 жыл бұрын
Hm. Not according to the various police officers I run into.
@Kanoshe
5 жыл бұрын
@@PrecisionResponse it's literally a 5 minute google search my man.
@PrecisionResponse
5 жыл бұрын
@@Kanoshe then you should be able to point out several, yes? Because among other things, I've shot a number of LEO quals (because I find them interesting), and most are by far much simpler. For example, the Illinois qual, the Nebraska qual, the Kansas qual, the LEOSA qual, the Ohio qual....all of those are either simpler or no harder than the Marine qual. (The Kansas qual at least has shots out to 25, but it is only one string supported around a barricade with a long par time.) Mind pointing out LEO quals that are more difficult? Since it is so easy? In particular, since your claim was that this was easier than the general run of LEO quals, you should be able to come up with a lot.
@Kanoshe
5 жыл бұрын
@@PrecisionResponse why are you so triggered?
@bass779
6 жыл бұрын
But thanks for making the video! It helped me prepare for the new course of fire!
@isaachousley325
5 жыл бұрын
USMC weapons quals are not about time. Yes, you are given a specified time to complete the drill, but the entire point is accuracy. Doesn't matter how fast you got the shot off if you dont hit the target dead on. Sincerely, a Marine who has actually gone through USMC weapons quals (or tables as we call them)
@PrecisionResponse
5 жыл бұрын
"Doesn't matter how fast you got the shot off if you dont hit the target dead on.' But....scoring "Expert" only takes 364 points out of 400. So....it is about being accurate ENOUGH within the par time. Another way of putting that....if you take longer than the par time to get the hits, your hits don't count, so time indeed matters. But I agree, the par times ARE really generous, so as I said in my article, "It isn’t about speed, given those par times, but the ability to properly perform the fundamentals." That being said, "Dead On" isn't really the standard here. 364 points for expert means that you can miss "dead on" and hit the 8-zone no less than 18 times over the course of the qualification. That's 18 out of 40 rounds, or 45% of the time Overall, I still stand by the comments I made in the article, which is that achieving "expert" on this course of fire means that at the time, you have a solid grasp of the fundamentals of shooting. You didn't have to be fast (at all), or highly accurate (the 10 zone is not small), but you did have to have solid fundamentals to achieve that rating.
@MiguelHernandez-rw4xu
2 жыл бұрын
Good Shooting
@rotorheadv8
3 ай бұрын
Many in the military don’t ever fire an handgun.
@PrecisionResponse
3 ай бұрын
Yep, I was surprised to find that out. I had assumed that everyone qualified on rifle and handgun in basic----boy was that wrong! Very FEW actually qualify on handgun, which is.....interesting...given how many people use their military history as justification for firearms "expertise". (Some of which are completely legit. Some of which....aren't.)
@bass779
6 жыл бұрын
A few things to consider: The Marines are using a retention holster on their leg, which will slow them down. The Marines have a manual safety, which will slow them down. The Marines are often not using their own weapon or holster, but one they have been issued that day or the day before. The weapons will often be very old. Sometimes they have been abused, and sometimes Marines will be utilizing a weapon with the mag release on the wrong side. Many shooters will be dual shooters, who have just spent hours on the rifle range and are wrapping up a 14 hour day with pistol qual after getting up at 0200. Finally, remember that a pistol is an afterthought to most services. The vast majority of Marines will carry an M4 or M16, with mostly pilots and MPs carrying M9s. High level pistol training is generally a waste of resources for the military.
@PrecisionResponse
6 жыл бұрын
They are using a retention holster, which is why I'm doing it from concealment. No real time difference. The manual safety is NOT used when shooting this qualification--all first trigger pulls (unless specifically mentioned otherwise) are double-action. (Other than using the safety to drop the hammer between strings of fire.) Of course they aren't using their own personal weapon/holster....but they are using the same weapon/holster that they've learned on, and practiced with. And if the guns are old---the only difference that makes it that they are less accurate at distance...but none of these shots are very distant. If you are going to attempt to claim that Marines, when qualifying, magically have an M9 where the mag release has been moved to the opposite side, we don't really need to talk much more. And I don't really care they they are "dual shooters" or that it has been a long day. Really. The qualification is simple. Making expert is very, very easy. "High level pistol training is generally a waste of resources for the military." True----but that rather supports my point, yes? That being a "Marine Expert" with a pistol is not a measure of high-level pistol skills?
@PrecisionResponse
6 жыл бұрын
I've got a Safariland ALS holster with the SLS hood on it, and it just doesn't add THAT much time to the draw. Given that I had a lot of extra time on each string, I don't really think it would have made much difference. (Actually, I doubt it would have made any, really.) Most military holsters I've seen are either the Safariland ALS (without the SLS hood) or a SERPA holster (bleh!), both of which have an active retention system that doesn't take any extra movement (just proper hand placement on the draw) to release the retention. Remember, I'm drawing from concealment here, instead of from an open holster, and I'm still completely each string of fire generally in about 50% of the par time. So....active retention or not, it just isn't going to make any difference.
@buckfutter99
2 жыл бұрын
I still use my deployment holster on a chest rig incorporated on a back pack when we go hiking or do anything outdoors. It holds a 19x with optic and light and a spare mag on the side. If you train with it, it’ll be fast for you. All 3 deployments and training I had my m9 on a chest rig. For me that’s my fastest and most natural feeling point of contact. That and I can sprint at full tilt and not worry about it coming out. In 04 that happened twice with an issued holster while in fallujah. Literally drug that pistol across the road like a dog. It was old and worn but accurate. I had a few days of shooting with some sniper gents on 29 palms. Last day they shot some pistols and the CW5 Gunner that had been chicken hawking the whole exercise shot mine at 100 yards homo style and hit every shot. If you’ve been on that range we were sitting on the back line behind the road. A guy with 3rd LAR or 7th marines shot a M16A4 with Acog accurately from there. It was a eye opener on how bad I sucked at shooting.
@mariodcreatorgaming8236
3 жыл бұрын
That’s what I got as my final score was a 396 I was so sad I really wanted a 400 😢
@PrecisionResponse
3 жыл бұрын
I was certainly annoyed at myself for screwing up when I did---mid-range easy shots with plenty of time, and I biew it. :/
@johnklabechek8470
2 жыл бұрын
Yea....missing the double action part....1st round of each double tap is double action.
@PrecisionResponse
2 жыл бұрын
And the second is single action. So my first shot is similar to a DA pull but without quite as much movement, and all other shots have a significantly higher trigger pull distance and weight, compared to a DA/SA. And quite frankly, if you think a DA first pull makes this particular qualification "difficult," well....not much I can say other than "Bless your heart."
@johnklabechek8470
2 жыл бұрын
@@PrecisionResponse so you are saying a DA pull on a military issue M9 is not something that can effect accuracy? Not sure what you were shooting. I assume a Glock because everyone shoots a Glock. But I can assure you the DA of an M9 is not as smooth as you think. And I shot expert 4 years straight so not saying it is that hard. Also under stand this course of fire is shot from a military flap style holster. Again adds to the manipulation of the weapon. And also you get whatever M9 the admirer gives you. Not like you have fired 1000s of rounds and understand the nuances of the weapon. So I suggest if you want to throw shade. Buy an M9, get a M12 holster and shoot the course again.
@PrecisionResponse
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnklabechek8470 wrote: "so you are saying a DA pull on a military issue M9 is not something that can effect accuracy?" If you read what I wrote, you'll find I didn't say anything like that. It would work better if you actually read what I wrote, I'm thinking. I'm also betting that you didn't bother to read the article linked in the description. "Not sure what you were shooting. I assume a Glock because everyone shoots a Glock. But I can assure you the DA of an M9 is not as smooth as you think" What made you think that I believe that DA on an M9 is smooth? Again, never said that. Perhaps you should respond to what I said, rather than just make up things. "Also under stand this course of fire is shot from a military flap style holster. Again adds to the manipulation of the weapon. " No, it isn't. Seriously, this isn't the old pistol qual. And did you even watch the video?, in which I talked about the fact that all of my draws were from concealment, which is much more relevant to citizens who carry, and is a standard relevant substitute for shooting from a retention holster (such as the SERPA which you can literally SEE in Marine promo pictures talking about the qual). "And also you get whatever M9 the admirer gives you. Not like you have fired 1000s of rounds and understand the nuances of the weapon." Those two sentences have little to do with each other, and very little to do with the point of the video. Unless, of course, you are attempting to say that because you are shooting a generic gun of the same type you have been practicing with, this makes it harder? (How many "nuances" do you think an M9 has that are needed to score Expert on this qualification? This isn't the FAST.) " So I suggest if you want to throw shade. Buy an M9, get a M12 holster and shoot the course again." And there is where we see the real problem, in which a guy who "shot expert" (and made sure to let us know he did) has to "defend" the qual that he wants us to think shows he is a good shooter. And John, you even said: "And I shot expert 4 years straight so not saying it is that hard." So what exactly are you attempting to argue against? My statement that the course of fire requires decent fundamentals? And that people with decent fundamentals won't have any problem shooting Expert under the par times? Or is the real problem my (fairly obvious) statement that just because someone was in the military, that doesn't automatically mean they were a good pistol shooter?
@rtaggs8178
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnklabechek8470 Don't waste your breath. I have gone through similar discussions with others with sites like Hickock 45, Yankee Marshal and the like. They don't like anyone questioning anything, they take it as an attack for whatever weird reason. Possible bruised ego if you get my drift.
@johnklabechek8470
2 жыл бұрын
@@PrecisionResponse Well Call of Duty Warrior you are simply the man. I mean you read a course fire document, watched a few youtube videos and now you are a born again pistol god. Marines do not carry Serpa holsters. Up until transition to the M18 they carried the M9 in an M12. MPs wear, in black gear Safariland holsters. Appendix carry is not even close. Shooting a striker fire weapon is nothing like a DA/SA M9. You know why USPSA Shooters shoot SA only or striker fired pistols? Because the DA 1st shoot under duress (time) is not accurate. And you will always shoot better when you shoot your weapon. Each time I qualied I did so with a different M9. I assume you train with your weapon. Shoot mine you will have a learning curve. I guess the most feared, and lethal warriors on earth should just let you take point....I mean you are a trained pistol god, lethal killer....Pistol GOD! Not to mention this is only a Qual course, you think we really only shoot qual? We also shoot a combat course, shoot house etc.....
@stevearce1498
3 жыл бұрын
🇺🇸 USMC MP SWAT (SRT) (SEB) (CQB) (CQC) Etc., Career Expert With EVERY Weapon (.45, 9mm, M16, M40, Etc.,) Good Shooting 👍🏽
@mattburns545
4 жыл бұрын
So are you implying that you’re a good shooter? Or are you implying that marines are not?
@PrecisionResponse
4 жыл бұрын
No, I'm saying precisely what I wrote and said. Feel free to read what I wrote, and go with the idea that I meant the words I wrote. precisionresponsetraining.com/2016/08/13/marine-pistol-qualification/ "...in my opinion, the Marine Pistol Qualification, at Expert level, is simply a decent test of the basic fundamentals of pistol shooting. Someone with solid fundamentals (in a bullseye fashion) should attain an expert rating. "
@mattburns545
2 жыл бұрын
@@PrecisionResponse it was a joke, not a dick…Don’t take it so hard
@eddieweigel9490
2 жыл бұрын
He’s ok nothing special I don’t get this there is a lot of guys doing the same thing on Utube
@therond.patron4959
6 жыл бұрын
Where did you get to targets from?
@PrecisionResponse
6 жыл бұрын
I had to make them myself---I got a copy of the graphic, adjusted the appropriate sections to the proper size and proportions, and just went with that partial target section. It explains a little more in the attached article at precisionresponse.wordpress.com/2016/08/13/marine-pistol-qualification/
@TJSHOTGUN1
5 жыл бұрын
Good video sir.
@DudeInWalmart
5 жыл бұрын
First time I took my wife to the range she was wearing sandals and a shirt with wide neck. She received several burns from hot brass. She was not happy. I felt bad because I did not pay attention to what she was wearing that day.
@PrecisionResponse
5 жыл бұрын
It is amazing how the brass always finds a way to make it into someplace painful. :/ I was shooting Rimfire Rifle Open in a Steel Challenge match a little while ago, and managed to "catch" a hot casing in the crook of my right arm in the middle of a string of fire. THAT burn stayed with me for a month or two.
@outofoffice_swe
3 жыл бұрын
Do you have a link to a printable target for this drill?
@PrecisionResponse
3 жыл бұрын
No, I'm afraid that I don't---well, wait a second. Hm. I found the GIF files I created way back when--here are some Google Drive links that hopefully will work? The dimensions should work out correctly if printed out full-page on standard paper. Head: drive.google.com/file/d/1WMKsIvj8TiEJWdCDAjbFEkpmi6tsQi9e/view?usp=sharing and the top of torso: drive.google.com/file/d/1Qz7zvQjciG0KG9EETVXaK8XpYPDa68lY/view?usp=sharing (I'm shocked I could still find those!)
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