Great discussion. I've really been enjoying Purgatorio.
@tomlabooks3263
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks John, it really remains my favorite of the 3 Cantiche. Nothing like Pierce Anthony, of course ; )
@casimirkukielka3842
3 жыл бұрын
I finished Baylor's 100 days of dante which focuses just on inferno. So happy to find this channel which discusses in great detail Purgatorio e Paradiso. Complimenti, è molto, molto utile e dettagliato.
@tomlabooks3263
3 жыл бұрын
Grazie mille! Glad you find these videos useful. It’s a passion project of mine and I should be able to complete Purgatorio in about 3 weeks. Then on to Paradiso.
@casimirkukielka3842
3 жыл бұрын
@@tomlabooks3263 non vedo l'ora!! 😊😊
@2009raindrop
Жыл бұрын
Watching this video in particular makes me SO glad to have found your series on this great work. The notes in the translation I have get really dry and border on incomprehensible without the background and context that you are providing here. Thank you again for this series. I have also been paying attention to your book recommendations - have started reading Auerbach's Mimesis.
@tomlabooks3263
Жыл бұрын
That’s so great to hear. I think Canto 6 is one of the most difficult ones in Purgatorio.
@attention5638
3 жыл бұрын
I had to read this Canto a few times over. There is so much packed into it, but I don't know how much I would have gotten from it if I didn't hear this. You and these videos are kind f like Virgil, leading us all through it. Haha 😅 "Dissent and Philosophy in the Middle Ages" sounds like something I would be really interested in. Nice to have you back! Hope you enjoyed the vacation! 😊
@tomlabooks3263
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for seeing me as Virgil : ) I do hope this content is useful. Yes the “back to the grind” phase was good, thank you. In other news, have you heard about “Project Hail Mary” by Andy Weir? I read it during my vacation, it’s stunning how it reminded me of the golden age hard sci-fi. Recommended.
@attention5638
3 жыл бұрын
@@tomlabooks3263 I have seen a few reviews, and though I did think it sounded pretty good, I was not convinced to read it until now haha. A modern golden-age of sci fi, I am in! I have been reading a few modern sci fie, and just cant find something that has the same touch. So coming from someone else that agrees with the GA authors, I will definitely have to check this out. I haven't read The Martian, but was told that I may like Hail Mary more so because of that.
@tomlabooks3263
3 жыл бұрын
@@attention5638 Read it without checking the summary or any blurbs and without knowing anything about it - it will be even more fun. I’ve often lifted my head from the book in wonder, thinking “wow, this is a clever idea”.
@scallydandlingaboutthebook2711
3 жыл бұрын
Hurrah this is up. I will come back after work to watch.
@tomlabooks3263
3 жыл бұрын
I chopped and chopped but this one still ended up longer than usual. I hope you will appreciate the bird soundtrack, unfortunately a not very melodious crow for the most part : - )
@scallydandlingaboutthebook2711
3 жыл бұрын
@@tomlabooks3263 it sounds very summery, even the crow. I was particularly looking forward to your explanation of this canto as I was not entirely certain when Dante was being ironic and when more direct. I liked the way he makes the affection between two people from the same Italian town as the spark for a lament and diatribe about the state of conflict in Italy. It confused me for a moment but makes sense emotionally.
@tomlabooks3263
3 жыл бұрын
@@scallydandlingaboutthebook2711 I agree I also was taken aback a little the first time I read that abrupt transition. I thought how much sense it actually makes to think of a sense of patriotism whenever two people from the same town or country meet abroad - that emotion will in fact contain all the potential conflicts that are going on at home...
@richardemerson549
3 жыл бұрын
Ah, che bello vederti di nuovo!! Just pausing at 10 mins to say - these videos keep getting better and better! The waning authority and confidence of Reason/Virgil in this realm is such a great point. Excellent explication of this aspect!
@tomlabooks3263
3 жыл бұрын
Grazie mille amico mio! : ) Thank you for your support.
@richardemerson549
3 жыл бұрын
@@tomlabooks3263 Amico! :) I really enjoyed the rest of the video too, it's nice to get the details about the Emperors etc., as that might be the hardest thing to "get into" and remember sometimes. It helps a lot to hear it explained again!
@Leebearify
3 жыл бұрын
So much in this canto you can tell that Dante is very riled up ! Just wanted to let you know that my copy of The Figure of Beatrice by Charles Williams arrived today. I can't wait to begin reading. Hope you are well, I hear that LA is just as hot as up here in Northern California where I am. I have been a little side tracked as I found Kazuo Ishiguro 's new book Klara and the Sun. What an interesting book about memories and love. If you have time it is worth it.
@tomlabooks3263
3 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait to hear from you about “The figure of Beatrice”… I’ve read many positive reviews. All is good here, thank you. Just got back from a short vacation and so far it’s not too hot in L.A., we’ll see what the next days bring. Also thanks for the Ishiguro recommendation. I’m actually in one of those ridiculous “I’m not buying new books for xxx months” periods, which don’t last very long, but I’ll keep your suggestion in mind. I loved his “Remains of the Day”.
@scallydandlingaboutthebook2711
3 жыл бұрын
I wanted to say thank you again as I am reading Walcott's Omeros at the moment and I would have missed how he draws on Dante as well as Homer if I had not been following this with you.
@tomlabooks3263
3 жыл бұрын
Oh, that's wonderful! I haven't read it but heard great things about it and I even suggested my wife to check it out because her family comes from St. Lucia. Would love to hear your thoughts about it.
@scallydandlingaboutthebook2711
3 жыл бұрын
@@tomlabooks3263 I think it is brilliant. A modern epic poem in the footsteps of Homer, Dante and Milton. Full of people, landscapes and ideas. Beautiful language and mostly in a looser version of terza rima.
@Paul9443
6 ай бұрын
Dissent and philosophy in the middle ages added to the wishlist ✅ As the temporal power of the Pope, isn't that the representation of the silver key? (Keys of St. Peter)
@tomlabooks3263
6 ай бұрын
The gold key signifies that the power reaches to heaven and the silver key that it extends to all the faithful on earth, their interlacing indicates the linking between the two aspects of the power. At least, that’s the modern official meaning. Perhaps in the past the silver key might have been interpreted as temporal power, but there’s very little left of that today (luckily).
@bighardbooks770
3 жыл бұрын
A *lot* going on in this Canto! Line 29: "one of your verses" (Aeneid, VI) Palinurus begs Aeneas to get him outta Hell, but the reply comes from Sibyl: "Do not hope to bend the fixed decree of the Gods by prayer." ("You cannot petition the Lord w _prayer!"_ --Jim Morrison 😉🤣😆
@tomlabooks3263
3 жыл бұрын
Haha the Jim Morrison connection is genius! Great lateral thinking, Allen 👍🏻🙏🏻
@bighardbooks770
3 жыл бұрын
@@tomlabooks3263 Lifelong Doors fan, me 🤘
@TootightLautrec
3 жыл бұрын
What a strange and abrupt transition from concerns about spiritual redemption to a tirade about secular matters. That a gesture of companionship, or camaraderie, is the spark that unleashes all that bitterness confused me even more. I would almost have expected Virgil to chastise the pilgrim for dwelling so intensely on worldly things while they are supposed to be on a journey of spiritual betterment. Additionally, is there a theological reason why prayers for souls in purgatory are effective, but prayers for those in Limbo are not?
@tomlabooks3263
3 жыл бұрын
Right! And in the next canto he picks up the narrative exactly from the moment when Virgil and Sordello met, as if nothing happened… as if he didn’t just freak out for half a canto. From his point of view though these were not really ‘secular’ matters, because he saw politics from his all-encompassing christian eyes as a world that should be ordered by God under the emperor, who received his authority only from God. The simple answer I can give to your question is that prayers for the souls in Limbo don’t work because everything in hell is eternal and immutable, it has no time and all decisions have already been made, opposed to Purgatorio where time is everything that matters, because nothing can happen to a soul in Purgatorio that’s worse than having to wait a really long time to go to heaven. I hope it makes sense. The next canto is very much connected to this one and I look forward to your reaction about Virgil’s speech, which will be very interesting.
@hesterdunlop7948
3 жыл бұрын
Ha ! Virgil sounds like a politician twisting in the spotlight....he'd have done better to keep quiet ...as an atheist I can see how the church would be interested in promoting the idea that persistent prayer does have an effect ...it's a sort of shift from the powerful unchangeable doctrine of a feudal society moving to the more individual agency that would be appealing to the emerging educated mercantile class. ....and boy is he angry at the end ...separating church and state ...one of the best things about Divine comedy is the way Dante suddenly let's it fly like this ..
@bighardbooks770
3 жыл бұрын
Sordello is one of three majestic figures that occur at roughly equivalent points in the thr3e kingdoms: Farintina in Hell, Sordello in Purgatory, and Cacciaguida (Dante's own ancestor) in Paradise. Since all three are political figures, it follows, too, that it is for Sordello's politics rather than his poetry that Dante so ennobled him. (Ciardi's notes)
@tomlabooks3263
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this note. I thought Sordello was more famous for his poetry rather than his politics, but I haven’t looked properly into it.
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