*Correction* Though Miley does identify as nonbinary she hasn't appeared to state her pronouns publicly and uses she/her. In this video I used they/them pronouns to refer to Miley and that was wrong.
@exactmedia221
2 жыл бұрын
Hello do you have a business email I can reach you out on? I have a collaborative request I wanted us to discuss about , business opportunity we can discuss on thanks
@Gulezworld
2 жыл бұрын
Miley isn’t non binary she said she was gender fluid I’m pretty sure
@PowerRangersFanAntiDinoFury
2 жыл бұрын
I know this is about female body shaming, but males have their fair share of being body shamed. I used to obsessively listen to justin timberlake's music but hated him so much because he was skinny and I was just slim. I might've been super skinny before but once I turned 11 I was more worried about my appearance, was I still thin, did I still look cute. I know men are thought of to not care much about their weight but that is so far from the truth. Men care just as much about their physical appearance just like women do.
@visualsituation
Жыл бұрын
please keep making longer videos, I really enjoy listening to your voice while working or relaxing
@conbiniii
2 жыл бұрын
Speaking of tween media, this is why I was so upset when Netflix cancelled The Babysitter's Club and Anne with an E. It's like the media isn't interested in stories about preteen girls if it's not oversexualized. The creator of BSC said, "It seems like girls are expected to go straight from Doc McStuffins to Euphoria." It's heartbreaking.
@mariama12
2 жыл бұрын
So true! I was devastated when I heard about BSC.
@alextroy9202
2 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@alextroy9202
2 жыл бұрын
They cancelled Babysitter’s club!!
@oooh19
2 жыл бұрын
Yea they’re not “little kids” but not “adults”
@BratzRockAngels
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, I never watched those shows, but the fact that shows like Euphoria that HEAVILY sexualizes teenage characters, it's pretty messed up.
@treacherous-doctor
2 жыл бұрын
One part of all of this that really stands out to me is the sexualization of underage girls in teen media. The obsession with making 13-17 year-old girls more attractive and adult-looking from a young age highlights a major problem with how film and television views girls and women. Young stars are treated as sexual objects when they're still literal children.
@Napash.Masharath
Жыл бұрын
That will never change due to the nature of hollywood and its extensive connections
@bilelmsk6678
Жыл бұрын
What is a child?
@ollygaetheirnandez
2 жыл бұрын
it's wild to me how Disney has such a positive image to the general public when they have always been perpetrators of subtle child/teen abuse and homophobia
@dinosaysrawr
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! On one hand, we've got the horrid behind-the-scenes things they've done to their stars, of course, and on the other hand, there are jokes and underlying or unintentional messages in some of their shows that are quite homophobic, racist, and, especially, classist if you stop to consider their implications.
@MrKenichi22
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@MrKenichi22
2 жыл бұрын
@@dinosaysrawr Exactly, In the 2000’s, that was a huge turn off for me, and I was essentially protesting this world Disney was helping make… I was alone with my picket sign and tie-dye shirt back then when my peers drank the kool-aid and I want to say half of them today wear red MAGA hats, and are at war with the polite society for “going woke,” against their racist purity. I rejected and protested the Disney Tween-George W. Bush Nonsense everyone else was trying to force down our throat… I think we have to come to grips with that abuse that many put on our society. I really like this video.
@tailynbarbosa511
2 жыл бұрын
It’s probably because back then things like that weren’t discussed to the extent they are now. And nowadays people are blinded by the nostalgia they felt for Disney then.
@MrKenichi22
2 жыл бұрын
@@tailynbarbosa511 you’re probably right
@IshtarNike
2 жыл бұрын
As a teacher I think it's definitely something that's not talked about enough. We talk about breasts growing, and "hips" widening. But we seldom talk about weight gain and fat gain enough to make it normalised. There's also often a point where a teenage girl has reached her full height, her breasts and thighs have matured, but she's still pretty darn slim. This can approach the "slim thick ideal" of present times. I've no doubt a lot of girls get issues from passing through this phase and realising (or failing to realise) that that wasn't their fully developed body and they spend so much time trying to get it back when it was only ever a transitional phase for most. Very few people maintain that past their mid twenties without a lot of work in the gym.
@Sand.Egg.
2 жыл бұрын
Plenty of people are slim and can maintain that with little work throughout their lives. It's just another body type. The whole idea that a whole ass body type is considered abnormal or only achievable in the gym or from starving yourself is just yall trying to make yourselves feel better because you're overweight. Being overweight is not the normal default for all women past puberty.
@user-ooop
2 жыл бұрын
@@Sand.Egg. I don't think anyone said they were over weight. Just not paper thin with 0 strech marks.
@sareneve1626
2 жыл бұрын
this comment. you gave the nail a concussion.i don't think i was ever even told that weight gain was a normal part of growing up.
@Taayooo
2 жыл бұрын
@@Sand.Egg. you are being obtuse.
@Sand.Egg.
2 жыл бұрын
@@Taayooo how so?
@harriyanna
2 жыл бұрын
it's honestly baffling how nasty victorious is.
@PowerRangersFanAntiDinoFury
2 жыл бұрын
It's a nickelodeon show, you can't really expect it to be 100% clean. The main focus of nickelodeon ever since the 90s was to gross people out. That's what they're known for, it needed it's own identity to be able to rival disney and cartoon network.
@_stargirl_xo
2 жыл бұрын
now I realize that bro, I loved that and I was sooooo young 🥲🥲
The 2000s was a hard decade to be a child in, especially a chubby/fat one. I remember Raven Symoné said in a commercial that she preferred comfortable, stretchy clothes, & since I was easily influenced by my favorite Disney stars, I decided I also preferred clothes that were comfortable for my body type. If these teen stars weren’t pressured so much to lose weight & to look a certain way, maybe body neutrality would actually be promoted for kids, which is what I wish I had back then. Fat kids were made fun of so brutally in the 2000s & they didn’t have much to look to since everyone wanted to be skinny. Literally in 5th grade there was a group of girls who were on a “diet” & never ate lunch. I just hope it’s better now.
@rickewart7252
2 жыл бұрын
I know its worse for young girls, but i can still relate to this sentiment very vividly.
@peristeravalls6208
2 жыл бұрын
Of course, body standards affect everyone. Boys and men have their own awful and unattainable body and beauty standards that have awful affects on mental health. Just know that on matter what you are enough and you are more than your body and any beauty and body standard that is forced in you.
@funwithakthechannelwherean4510
2 жыл бұрын
It's definitely better now, at least a little bit. My sister is 13 and is struggling with confidence, but as far as I know, body image isn't an issue. Also, a lot more teen shows are embracing diversity when it comes to body types and ethnicities. Sydney to the Max is a particularly good show when it comes to its topics.
@gabriellerza
2 жыл бұрын
@@funwithakthechannelwherean4510 that’s great news!! I don’t have any younger siblings & I’m not around many kids so I just wouldn’t know but I’m happy to hear it’s gotten better!
@MrKenichi22
2 жыл бұрын
It was also a hard decade to be teenage as you had the war and military conscription breathing down your neck (the draft). Unless one was living on a daily dose of South Park Brownies, Fundamentalists Breakfast, and Fox News Kool-aid, You are probably on board with the right wing nonsense, now in a MAGA hat…. from my perspective admittedly.
@Silvermoon424
2 жыл бұрын
Ugh, I remember how awfully people talked about Raven Symoné for not being super skinny and not fitting into the early 2000s mold of what "acceptable" body standards looked like. She's so pretty and it was such good representation to have her on Disney (for both black girls and bigger girls in general) but she was torn down so much for her appearance.
@kiriki4558
Жыл бұрын
Wow, i didn't know that (i was too young perhaps). The shows were she acted were my favourites. For me she was always beautiful and adorable.
@chelmrtz
2 жыл бұрын
Jennette McCurdy’s memoir talks a lot about eating disorders and the pressure of being a young girl in Hollywood. It’s a really difficult read but worth it
@lynne1280
2 жыл бұрын
I hate when people say that Tweens don't exist anymore because as someone who is considered Tween age I am in my awkward stage and so many other people I know are as well. There are a few people who aren't and that's fine, not everyone needs one, but for the people who are and have, it's hard for us to hear that tweens and being awkward doesn't exist anymore.
@Sophie_Pea
2 жыл бұрын
That’s a good thing! I’m personally really glad to hear that there are still young people going through the tween phase, and I’m sure a lot of others are as well, it’s a really important part of life It’s just that from an outsiders viewpoint there seems to be a lot less (like, a LOT less) people going through that stage which is just weird because when we were growing up no one skipped that stage at all, which is why it seems to us like tweens don’t exist anymore. We don’t mean it in an insulting way, just in a concerned way (which you probably already knew)
@NixRiverSong
2 жыл бұрын
Hi, Lynne, Tweens was an "age category" invented by marketers to target girls aged 6 to 11 years old with adds and marketing for all kinds of products - from toys to clothes, makeup and so on. this age category and all that goes with it never existed before that. And reading your comment has made me realise just how entrenched this marketing ploy has become.
@jennymartinez7010
Жыл бұрын
Im 19 and remember my awkward tween phase really well and I see it in my little brother too, he's 13 and figuring out what he likes and I can only hope to support him enough through it , it's a hard time and even harder when there's so many people your own age or a little older than look like they completely skipped that phase, I felt that seeing people like Hailey Orona and Malu on musically when I was 13
@chronostoad3291
2 жыл бұрын
It’s really upsetting watching The Lizzie MacGuire movie then seeing Hillary in Cheaper by the Dozen 2 knowing how close those two movies were filmed from each other. Like the difference between a normal teen girl and an adult who is finally able to make her own diet choices…
@yamomma8560
2 жыл бұрын
what do u mean? sorry just confused on the last sentence and i haven’t watched cheaper by the dozen
@michellemarie1197
2 жыл бұрын
Also in the lizzie mcguire TV show there is a drastic difference between lizzies (and hilary duffs) appearance in season 1 when she's in 6th or 7th grade and then in season 2 when she is supposed to be in 8th grade, she had longer hair and looked more developed and had more weight (which is good) but at the same time that jump wasn't very good because hilary duff wasn't middle school age for lizzie mcguire, she was actually 15 and 16 and when i was in middle school (and normally most middle school girls) look more petite and still look under developed, that's why I think lizzie mcguire should have taken place in high school rather than middle school.
@PowerRangersFanAntiDinoFury
2 жыл бұрын
@@michellemarie1197 it would've been great if they kept the show going until their last year of high school. I kind of wasn't ready for the show to end just yet, but I guess hilary duff was in a hurry to get her music career started. When did it begin actually?
@chronostoad3291
2 жыл бұрын
@@michellemarie1197 I have a theory that after the ED episode with Miranda, the producers wanted Lizzie to always be the larger (but still obviously healthy) of the two girls. It feels like Hillary wanted to pursue the Hollywood ideal at the time but Disney for better or worse wanted her to look like a normal growing teen. That’s why there was such a fast weight loss after Lizzie McGuire. She used her adult freedom to lose the weight the industry was pressuring her to
@please_im_a_staaar
2 жыл бұрын
Veganism doesn't make you skinny. I'm vegan and I gained weight. I think it comes from ppl's ignorance about nutrition and thinking that veganism is eating carrots and spinach all day along lol. And I'm over here eating vegan lasagnas, pizzas and sushi, and becoming chubby. You can be skinny on both vegan and non-vegan diets and you can be fat on both vegan and non-vegan diets. Also malnourishment is not a "vegan thing", it's an extremely non-balanced diet thing that non-vegans are prone to developing too. In fact most ppl in US and the world who suffer from malnourishment are not vegan.
@tamirholmes6324
2 жыл бұрын
im not vegan im a vegetarian but i mostly eat plant based foods but ive lost a ton of weight since i switched from eating meat so ig it depends on the person- anyways i love finding other veggie besties out in the wild🤭💗
@sarasthoughts
2 жыл бұрын
Preach!
@roserobb
2 жыл бұрын
There's definitely a subset of people who become vegan/plant-based as an unhealthy way to continue disordered eating. But, I wholeheartedly agree with you! When I went plant-based, I also gained weight, while eating mostly home cooked whole foods based foods. Everyone's body reacts differently.
@LadyOfTheEdits
Жыл бұрын
That's interesting
@themillenialwordsmith8022
Жыл бұрын
Shoutout to vegan lasagna
@diana-mw3uk
2 жыл бұрын
Something we don't talk about enough is how different puberty can look like for everyone. We all have different genetics and body types. When I was a teenager, I used to think something was wrong with me because my hips stayed the same and my boobs didn't grow that much. But I had changes in other parts of my body... There's a pressure to "glow up" in a very standard way during or after puberty. I think it also has smthg to do with how we link the changes of these stars (that you mentioned) on their puberty instead of plastic surgery Idk... Thanks for the video !
@harriyanna
2 жыл бұрын
we live in such a fatphobic world that weight gain is something that is normal, is seen as something ugly. i worked on a tv show for a few years and i was wondering why there weren't many plus size people there, turns out plenty of costume departments in the film industry don't carry clothing bigger than a size 8. that's just mean now.
@Pink_pr1ncess
2 жыл бұрын
Even women who didn’t even gain that much weight are still shamed for not being perfect. The only time society praises weight gain is when it’s “in the right places”
@lingo3125
2 жыл бұрын
@@Pink_pr1ncess and at the right time. You are allowed to gain some weight during pregnancy. Not too much though, and not forever.
@Gulezworld
2 жыл бұрын
I know but sometimes it’s unhealthy to be obese if you don’t have medical conditions
@flowersgurl403
2 жыл бұрын
@@Gulezworld please be quiet your comment wasn't necessary
@bobtheball5384
2 жыл бұрын
@@Gulezworld Not every overweight person has the same problems as someone on "My 600 lb life." That as well as just because you're skinny doesn't mean you're healthy either...
@operaanimelover369
2 жыл бұрын
Back when I was fourteen and starting the eighth grade, my initial dream was to be a Disney Channel star and anime voice actor, while being blissfully unaware of how insidious Disney Channel and even Nickelodeon were to their young actors. Looking back at the shows and movies airing on Disney Channel and Nickelodeon as an adult, I will never watch them the same way again, and I thank the Lord that I did not end up becoming either a Nickelodeon star or a Disney Channel star. My heart continues to go out to Raven-Symone, Hilary Duff, Ariana Grande, Miley Cyrus, Demi Lovato, The Jonas Brothers, and many other former Disney Channel and Nickelodeon stars for being commodified in that manner. Furthermore, Bobby Driscoll continues to have all of my compassion because of what happened to him at Disney after his year of portraying Peter Pan.
@gars129
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I remember wanting to date Emily Osment and Ariana Grande back in the day, and I wanted to look cool and be validated in a boy band or DC show when I was an overweight teen who struggled with friends and romance. Also often used to think of life as a sitcom to live my fantasies.
@dinosaysrawr
2 жыл бұрын
What's truly weird, I realize, is how the media simultaneously tries to hide or deny the signs of puberty in young performers, while simultaneously creepily sexualizing them. I tend to notice the latter more than the former, but now that this video has drawn my attention to the former as well, I *really* feel for the kids who are caught in that no-win bind. I'd say my perception of adolescence was warped primarily by 20-to-30-year-old adults consistently portraying teenagers. Once I became a teenager, I think part of me felt worse about myself because I didn't look 25 at 16.
@oliviadauber2150
2 жыл бұрын
What's so bizarre to me is that Raven was never particularly large or ever seemed to even be overweight? I was a little kid when she was on the air, but even as an adult, yeah, she's short, she's curvy... weird for her to be the token fat girl.
@Lorena-eh5cl
2 жыл бұрын
YES thank you for touching on this! Media seems to slowly be moving in the direction of realistic portrayals of kids. I’ve seen a couple shows lately that had kids with acne, and my automatic thinking was how bad it looked. It’s taking time to retrain my thoughts, but as long as we continue to get genuine representation in media, all of us who have grown up with those awful depictions (as well as younger people) can overcome that perception.
@Nassifeh
2 жыл бұрын
In general, TV people still look not like a slightly idealized version of reality but a complete alternate universe. When nobody has visual "flaws" compared to this norm, they stand out. If everybody just looked like slightly more attractive versions of normal people, then we'd stop noticing the little stuff pretty fast. If they *only* give an occasional teenager some pimples or add one plus-size person to a given show cast, it's going to take way longer to get used to than if they just got away from "perfect" even being an option for characters who aren't written as unnaturally beautiful.
@kellylynn1902
2 жыл бұрын
I never knew about people bashing Hilary Duff’s weight. I remember thinking she was one of the most beautiful girls in the world. I can’t say I even noticed her body change which is even more upsetting. How many children wouldn’t have noticed something so harmful if not for it being pointed out to them.
@westerfrost3701
2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know either.
@babyface3396
2 жыл бұрын
yeah, I spent a lot of this video trying to figure out the "before" and "after" pictures of the stars supposedly gaining weight. From my perspective it was such a miniscule difference I don't think I would ever notice if I weren't looking for it. It really is awful that gaining even a tiny bit of weight, or appearing to, lead to these kids getting told that they were fat/imperfect/needed to change. Hollywood is such a vicious and terrible seeming place to exist.
@oooh19
2 жыл бұрын
Hilary got really slim in cheaper by the dozen 2 she was never fat but she lost a lot of weight
@annotherdemon8217
2 жыл бұрын
The purity ring thing gave me such whiplash back then. Because in my country there is a teen magazine that has an entire section dedicated to sex ed... Teens can write in and talk about concerns and have professional educators answer them without judgement. Special spreads about masturbation or how to listen to their bodies to feel and stay safe. Safe sex is PREACHED in that section. And a few pages prior an interview with not Nick Jonas talking about how rad his purity ring was...
@johnnam1380
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like if you’re going to work in the realm of children’s entertainment, I don’t care what your role is, you need to take an educational psychology course to understand a child’s development
@TH-is8cf
2 жыл бұрын
I can't see any ethical way to make children into stars with a large impressionable audience just bc some of them turn out okay
@sharkofjoy
2 жыл бұрын
Amen.
@Shinyjpg
2 жыл бұрын
"I wonder what my life and body could have been like if I didn't screw it up at such a crucial growth moment in my life." DAMN that hit me hard
@blubli3824
2 жыл бұрын
I think the plastic surgery secret is because the audience has to believe that such results are achievable "naturally". Most people don't have the money to afford surgery, so if stars reveal the name of their surgeon, it won't necessarily make a difference in their surgeon's revenue, there's no publicity contract to be made there. However, most people have enough money to spend on makeup (lipstick, contour,...), on hair care products, on diet teas, shapewear, sports memberships, etc. Those industries weigh billions of dollars and represent big opportunities to make money for stars, publicists, product companies, etc. Even though we know the kardashians have had surgeries, them promoting teas or work out equipment and apps still works because audiences are led to believe that, somehow, the surgeries are only one aspect of their good looking features (not the whole of it), and that they can still achieve that look by other means.
@moonlight4665
Жыл бұрын
It's like a scooby doo moment. The mask comes off and... it was capitalism all along!
@MrsUzumaki
2 жыл бұрын
I ended up gaining some (not even a lot) puberty weight and I was shamed every day by my family as if I was stuffing my face with 5000 calories. It was normal and I wish someone told my 14yo self so I didn't starve myself during my teen years.
@souleaterevans4589
2 жыл бұрын
"Tween" representation in media really messed up my perspective on what growing should look like. Most of my warped views were the same as Cheyenne's, but I also struggled with self-acceptance for things like acne and imperfect skin (every character gets 1 gigantic zit and suddenly becomes a reject), menstruation (literally never mentioned), chest size, and sexuality. By not mentioning these things or representing them as the "wrong" way to be, your audience is harmed, which shouldn't be the goal of any entertainment media. We internalize it and we don't process the harmful effects that it has until much later, often after we've made huge mistakes that permanently effect our bodies. It's an awful thing to go through. I can't imagine how it must've felt for those stars to be dealing with that kind of criticism nonstop, and to then have to normalize it for others.
@melissa-annefrigon7973
2 жыл бұрын
That’s why we now have to deal with adult men and self proclaimed boy moms who think that the movie Turning Red is bad because it shows teen girls in a realistic way.
@souleaterevans4589
2 жыл бұрын
@@melissa-annefrigon7973 "self proclaimed boy moms"?? I'm not even sure what that's intended to insult
@melissa-annefrigon7973
2 жыл бұрын
@@souleaterevans4589 It’s mostly to call out the boy moms who don’t want to educate their boys on female puberty. I’m not insulting boy moms as a whole, just calling out the ones I’ve seen on Twitter (who were outraged about the movie Turning Red for no reason).😉✌🏻
@DrawciaGleam02
2 жыл бұрын
@@melissa-annefrigon7973 I think period issues are something these boy moms will have to deal with sooner than later, because I've heard many young women say they won't date a guy if he doesn't have certain knowledge about menstruation . Also agree about the zits thing. Funny thing, Invader Zim did something interesting around zits... ..the execution could even be seen as empowering compared to other media episodes centered around zits.
@sissysovereign1294
2 жыл бұрын
This is so sad. I remember when i was going through my awkward phase as a tween. Teenagers were always portrayed as these perfect, glamorous females so much on TV until it would make me confused and saddened as to why I wasn't looking anything like that as I grew. It was like any child star you saw magically skipped the "ugly" phase once they turned 13 and was automatically considered hot. Come to find out TV just fed us all lies on what being a teenager is really like. If only tv wasn't like that.
@luxlisbon7979
2 жыл бұрын
this is why i’m so glad i grew up watching degrassi, kids playing kids with acne, puberty weight, braces and glasses, made me feel normal and accept my body
@sandystudios223
11 ай бұрын
It’s cuz they’re Canadians
@benjamintillema3572
2 жыл бұрын
How old was Macalay Culkin in that first clip 0:49 cause I'd guess 14? Such a rude thing to say and a child is going to remember something like that for YEARS.
@denises9120
2 жыл бұрын
I hate it when there are "special episodes" that for these t.v. shows that talk about body image issues or eating disorders. They don't properly talk about or handle the issue and write it off as something narcissistic as if to portray that the character as irrational or that they overreacted about their insecurities. Meanwhile these companies continue to perpetuate eating disorders and body image issues.
@grapeshot
2 жыл бұрын
I know over in South Korea plastic surgeries. They're big business. I remember reading this one article about this one Korean woman who look perfectly fine to me but she kept getting so many plastic surgeries that had to cut her off and now she looks like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man in the face.
@Pink_pr1ncess
2 жыл бұрын
The South Korean women with off white skin and botched faces don’t even look human smh
@ongakira
2 жыл бұрын
well, sk is a place that values your looks alot. it’s kinda scary but i see why so many ppl get surgeries so often, it can help with your career
@kimcheex5
2 жыл бұрын
I watched a video about this recently and it's so normalized that most people will get plastic surgery out of high school. And supposedly it also increases their chances of getting jobs. It's messed up
@madelineknox180
2 жыл бұрын
I grew up with these shows and am now a mom to 2 toddler girls myself. I hope things improve. While enjoyed all of that media I could also see how damaging it was. I love your videos, thank you for helping me out my childhood and teen years in to context
@Cherri_Stars
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this video Cheyenne, especially for opening up about your own experience with how much insecurity this all caused. I remember how with the unrealistic images thrown at tween and teen girls, my friends who just hit puberty late would show off their stick-limbed bodies and felt like models. Thinking they were somehow virtuous for looking beautiful, and not realizing that their bodies just fit the beauty standards because they were still kids, and that the beauty standards were pretty messed up.
@sarahwatts7152
2 жыл бұрын
I'm happy that I loved food more than I listened to people telling me to diet. I still hated my body, but I am so aware of how lucky I am that I didn't wind up with an ED.
@melodysafo5437
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@jaycharice
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Media really screws up teens' views on many different things. I'm glad my mom always made sure to remind me that I was fine the way I was. She helped me build self esteem. I wish the media would do the same
@melodysafo5437
2 жыл бұрын
Mine too!
@lithiumkid
2 жыл бұрын
i can’t believe with how different her nose looks, Ariana Grande hasn’t owned up to having plastic surgery
@Jessica-pn5ri
2 жыл бұрын
The whole teen/tween celeb culture in the early 2000's was way more problematic than I realized at the time. Today teenagers have more options as far as content consumption and the types of bodies they glorify, however a standard of some type will always exist because it sells the dream.
@adam-l74
2 жыл бұрын
It’s the same through much of celebrity culture, I remember when when Starr Jones was cast on the view, she was often celebrated for being non white and having a larger body type( even though she was the only cast member fitting that criteria). Years later she lost the weight with “diet and excercise” but later revealed it was a weight loss surgery.
@sharkofjoy
2 жыл бұрын
It's always surgery. Diets are just a capitalism tax on women.
@IshtarNike
2 жыл бұрын
Plus sized seems to mean anywhere above size zero. I move that we call this regular sized because that's what it is. It's nuts that they're implying that being an average sized person is plus size as if that's somehow really large. (Being large isn't bad btw but we all know they think that. It's ridiculous either way.)
@sbb998
2 жыл бұрын
very exaggerated statement
@eg9220
2 жыл бұрын
It's actually anything over a size 10 is considered plus size and I'm guessing your from the U.S. because in most countries anything under a size 10 is average
@Louis--
2 жыл бұрын
Nice video, the one thing that's missing is casting older actors, especially for boys, the physiques shown in high school boys are often utterly unattainable for boys still in or shortly out of puberty. Looking at how Hollywood treats real puberty is very informative, thanks!
@cruztastrophe
2 жыл бұрын
That makes it all even creepier. They want the male stars to look like 25 year olds while the female love interest looks 14. That's not okay and not the kind of relationship that media should be modeling for their young fans.
@BellesView
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! They really set child stars up to fail.
@ShutupandListen
2 жыл бұрын
I love Lorry Hill and her videos, she made me really look at myself and my way of thinking about plastic surgery vs natural looks.
@CodeNameAlison
2 жыл бұрын
Screw Dan Schneider
@MrKenichi22
2 жыл бұрын
This is a very good video, As someone who still remembers the 2000’s, I honestly can say that I hated that time, I hated the fake-ness, the insincerity, the rather hateful time in society. I can say that I know that a lot of these teen stars were also victims of the tyranny of those days. That they should have allowed to be themselves, and not be tortured out of their natural beauty, to be their “loyal money machine.” Thank you for the video and keep up the good work.
@freya6921
2 жыл бұрын
Anime has a similar problem. Through the manga I’ve read there have been so many episodes about the female lead stressing about gaining a little bit of weight. I get the feeling that this may be impactful for the younger generation
@cubesoda
Жыл бұрын
Looking back on my middle school experience was so wild, because why did so many of us feel pressured to act/dress/look like teenagers/young adults when we were literally 10-12?? Like just let me be a child bc that's what I literally was.
@bilelmsk6678
Жыл бұрын
Actually thé moment you hit puberty your no longer a child scientificly
@neb.9489
2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you made this video bc a lot of people talk about things like this in kpop as if it’s a unique experience but things like this happen in the west too. In kpop, idols debut at 14-16 years old and get shamed for the slightest changes and aren’t able to go through puberty the way normal kids do and it happens in the west and kpop communities make it seem like things like this only happens in kpop
@inert_cartha
Жыл бұрын
It's really wild hearing you put in words all these issues on this topic! When I was a kid/teen myself, I only consumed media either from my own country (Brazil) or from the rest of Latin America, but I had two friends, same age as me, who consumed American media during this period of their lives and watching from an outsider perspective it was pretty weird lol I could definitely feel the "squeaky clean" image they tried SO HARD to sell, it felt very artificial. These friends used to judge and shame me SO MUCH for watching telenovelas like Rebelde, claiming that is was hypersexualised while praising Disney Channel's stuff (Jonas Brothers, Hannah Montana, Camp Rock and such) as being better and "purer"
@Ogrefairy
2 жыл бұрын
This was a very good video thank you for speaking about such a topic!! This stuff also really messed me up as a teen because I always felt like such a freak despite having a pretty normal puberty (outside of being disabled which is a whole other thing). I really struggled with my body and still do to this day it's so hard
@rockandfashion7207
2 жыл бұрын
Great video concept! I’ve definitely felt this way with feeling like I didn’t look like people on tv forgetting how the industry is first and foremost a business, and thrives off being disingenuous for financial gain, even when the audience and actors it effects are minors
@KupcakeKitty
2 жыл бұрын
I dislike shows like Euphoria. It's about teenagers, but the actors look & act like young adults that should be in college. Almost every character is dealing with dark shit, day in and day out. No time to relax. Sexualizing teen characters🤮 The close representative of tween media in 2000s for my wife would be Degrassi and Glee. Yes, both can be a bit campy, but not as bad as iCarly. Another one to add is Boy Meets World. My youth was filled with Buffy, Sabrina Teenage Witch & So Weird.
@ragdollrose2687
2 жыл бұрын
About the vegan thing: I'm vegan/vegetarian and have been for about 5 years. That part of my life also coincide with my mid-twenties aka the time I've gained the most body fat (even as a rather small person). The direct correlation between veganism and being healthy is bs. Once, I also ate ramen noodles and Oreos for like three days. Still vegan, really not healthy. What CAN happen is, if you go from a regular American diet (which is incredibly unbalanced) to being vegan, you're doing a big lifestyle changes that forces you to pay more attention to what you consume and then, MIGHT lead you to healthier choices. But health reasons to be vegan are rarely sustainable imo, cause the next fad diet could steer you away just as much. Ethics should be the driving force behind choosing that lifestyle, that's more sustainable.
@CollaborativeDog
2 жыл бұрын
Along with adolescent sexuality issues, Bobby Driscoll was also dropped by Disney because he was gay. His career outside of Disney was destroyed when he was caught by police in a raid of a gay club. He died unknown and homeless. Horrible and tragic.
@rubberducky893
2 жыл бұрын
I remember when I was a preteen & I thought to myself if I didn't get big 👀 then I'll buy some. I literally thought that having a (what society taught us) womanly figure, then I'll be more attractive for the male gaze. The male gaze has all of us in a body slam.
@eleazaleaza
2 жыл бұрын
Speaking of Raven , has anyone even noticed the downright comical lengths they go to to hide her weight ? Like they drown her in clothes compared to the other girls, they do the old hollywood hiding pregnancy camera shot tricks. It’s super weird to watch.
@sarasthoughts
2 жыл бұрын
I got "back braces" and still do. They're used for different needs than front braces, it's not just a cosmetic thing to hide them. They put them on me when I already had the front ones and I'll probably keep them for the rest of my life.
@re2355
2 жыл бұрын
Cheyenne, have you seen PEN15? I thought it was a great representation of that awkward stage you discuss in this video. I found it to be one of the most true to life depictions of young teenage girls. Would love to know what you think!
@KittySnicker
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I really wish celebs were honest about plastic surgery. I’m okay with de-stigmatizing plastic surgery! And the fat shaming was ridiculous in the early 2000’s. Raven and Hilary Duff weren’t even overweight!
@sbb998
2 жыл бұрын
i like how the entire tip of ariana grandes nose pivoted up (obviously bc of surgery) and her stans will still deny that she’s had work done. she had the fox eye lift and a good amount of work throughout the years. it’s undeniable. i don’t think she has the right to deny that given how young and naive her fan base clearly is.
@andrerenardamexembey9209
2 жыл бұрын
You always have good content 👏
@Jinaria101
2 жыл бұрын
You wanna know what’s worse then teens comparing themselves to these teen stars Teens who compare themselves to full grown adults playing teenagers
@rosieglows
2 жыл бұрын
Miley lost weight AFTER Disney. She went mad at the gym and she is very fitness focused. Miley also was open about cutting out dairy and gluten, long before she went vegan. Ariana, I thought she had an ED, but maybe she didn't either.
@sydney9011
2 жыл бұрын
Cheyenne this video hit every single mark!! Fantastic job!!!
@JLFsoccer
2 жыл бұрын
I agree that teen weight gain would be noticeable on TV and networks may fear that. BUT maybe that would be a good thing. It would show its normal. It's sad how our society views weight gain :/ ESPECIALLY in teens going through puberty. Young kids NEED to see that on TV so to feel a little less weird during those awkward years. But unfortunately disney and nick care more about their skinny moneymakers than risking good representation for kids
@baby.yogurt
2 жыл бұрын
I think you're totally right about going vegan being a bogus explanation--there are tons of healthy and unhealthy foods that are vegan, and you can have unhealthy/restrictive eating patterns on literally any diet. it doesn't matter if ur paleo, vegetarian, keto, or vegan, if u have an unhealthy mindset about food that's what really makes the difference. (more importantly, veganism isn't a diet/just about food, it extends to every aspect of life/consumption.) vegans have all different body types, and different ways of eating, so I'm not sure where the stereotype came from about veganism = only eating salad all day. personally I'm vegan haven't had a salad in years lol. the real issue here is fatphobia and diet culture, but it's just easier to gloss over it by blaming it on veganism or something
@Kraziscrying
2 жыл бұрын
Not a very insightful comment but I just wanted to say I love your videos so much. These topics are so important and your voice and perspective are so needed. Thank you for the incredible content you make 💕
@sareneve1626
2 жыл бұрын
17:40 EXACTLY. and it's so maddening because this is something that the adults themselves were subjected to, but they still perpetuate this cycle of hypocrisy. thanks for making this video. though for me the thing causing/influencing my body dysmorphia and negative body image has been more kpop (i got into it pretty young), having this idea reinforced to me constantly that my changing body and increasing weight isn't natural (and also that an ultrathin body is a mark of/can simply be achieved by self-restraint and diligence) has still been really damaging. especially where the bulk of kpop stars, especially up-and-coming stars, are my age or even younger, and yet are so perfectly thin and attractive, not just feeling like human trash has been a real struggle.
@MichellaneousMe
2 жыл бұрын
Once again you come through with the informative content 👏🏾 👏🏾 I love this channel so much! And I definitely agree about needing more pre teen shows
@MilaBelen
2 жыл бұрын
At any case, a diet can be a 100% plant based diet, but not vegan (there's a common misconception) because vegan only refers to the ethical position of not exploiting animals and it has nothing to do with image goals (there are vegans with bodies far from skinny, I include myself). Could a plant based diet be designed (just like non plant based diets) as a mean to lose weight? Absolutely, but it's not something inherent to plant based foods. I also think that was an excuse Ariana and Miley (or their PRs) made to make it more 'interesting' or something like that (or even using the animals cause to distract from their image concerns, also years after that they suddenly weren't vegan anymore) Great video as usual🙌🏻 I really HOPE young actors nowadays start navigating safer spaces. All the famous people (specially the ones read as female) mentioned here truly had a tough time, we can see that perfectly in Demi's documentaries. I still don't understand how magazines and media could be so blatantly CYNICAL towards them. The dehumanisation they made of them...
@zoelutz8963
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve thought about this my whole life thank you for this video
@FaiaHalo
2 жыл бұрын
Such an important subject. Thank you for talking about this!
@sunnyg2071
2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely loved the babysitters club! I am 13 years old and it was the first “teen” show i had ever seen that actually felt relatable!
@DieAlteistwiederda
2 жыл бұрын
German media had tween media back when all of this went on and I'm glad it was this way. I watched a lot of these shows mentioned here but also saw more normal teenagers. They weren't made up as much here and it wasn't seen a a bad to see a pimple or other signs of perfectly normal puberty.
@Ash-vv4kj
2 жыл бұрын
Instead of saying “I am also affected by these body image issues” it seems like most would rather say “I was born perfect, sucks to suck, worship me.”
@Michaelalovespandas
2 жыл бұрын
I lost 20 pounds over a year due to working a physically intense summer job, and I really don’t like unprovoked comments on my weight. I’ve had negative feelings about my body for most of my life, so hearing people say I look thinner makes me feel like I was fat before. I can’t imagine how it feels to grow up with everybody talking about you in the magazines. I don’t think we are entitled to know about celebs weight loss if they aren’t advertising their weight/beauty products. Let people have privacy.
@cobleen3982
2 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad I found your channel. It is so validating and your topics just hit the spot. I also love Lorry Hill xoxo
@packman2321
2 жыл бұрын
This was excellent. I think I've only very recently started unpacking how much of my perception of my body (and other people) was distorted by the media I consumed as a kid and teen. It's one thing to know about Dawson's Casting, it's quite another to try and disentangle that knot of only seeing marketable people everywhere. I think this did really highlight to me as well how focused on atomised individuals a lot of the stuff I watched in my teens was when looking at puberty. Even with these stars we get a lot of people isolated into thinking it's a unique issue with them. I'd like to think works like Turning Red are also helping by more explicitly embedding characters in communities that are impacted by growing up.
@shawnbay2211
2 жыл бұрын
I hadn’t interpreted Miley’s vegan diet as resulting from body issues and I still don’t. I believe her when she said it was for animals. She also did a lot of work to shatter that decent girl persona, which I’m outstanded by. So I have to imagine her reasoning was less visual and more moral.
@fajarzakri4936
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, despite the fact that she’s gone back to eating animals now. 😅 That’s another thing that quite bugs me tbh, that veganism is still by and large viewed as a “diet”. It’s not. It’s really just common decency, like being feminist, being anti-racism, being anti-queerphobia or, you know, not killing other sentient beings, or not contributing to their killing. But that’s another topic for another video, I guess.
@misty9964
2 жыл бұрын
@@fajarzakri4936 Vegans really comparing Animals to humans.. omg
@please_im_a_staaar
2 жыл бұрын
I don't get when ppl say that vegan diet makes you skinny. I'm vegan and I gained weight. I think it comes from ppl's ignorance about nutrition and thinking that veganism is eating carrots and spinach all day along lol. And I'm over here eating lasagnas, pizzas and sushi. You can be skinny on both vegan and non-vegan diets and you can be fat on both vegan and non-vegan diets. Also malnourishment is not a "vegan thing", it's an extremely non-balanced diet thing that non-vegans are also prone to developing. Most ppl in US who suffer from malnourishment are not vegan.
@CureSmileful
2 жыл бұрын
@@misty9964 "Sentience is the capacity to experience feelings and sensations." It's not about equating animals with humans, but about not wanting to cause suffering to a being that is capable of experiencing it.
@Nassifeh
2 жыл бұрын
@@CureSmileful The death thing is at least a clear line for vegetarians, but if you want this to be a rationale for veganism, then you better be growing and preparing all your own food. Otherwise, have I got news for you about how all that stuff gets to your table and how much of it involves unsafe and coercive working conditions for creatures who have much more complex nervous systems than chickens and bees.
@LON009
2 жыл бұрын
I'm completely disgusted that Disney and others made their stars get plastic surgery when they were teens! I didn't know about it. No wonder while rewatching Victorious, everytime Ariana was on screen it was so strange, like if they are now two very different people.
@KandiKaht
2 жыл бұрын
With part two about weight When I was younger I had baby fat like we all do but when I turned 10 my older cousin who has a daughter my age asked me “how did you loose to much weight?” When legit it was growing and getting taller and loosing the baby fat we all have as children. Which I would get made fun of for having in school at 7,8ish specially when we all had to be weighed in front of each other, But that really messed with me and made me start looking at how I looked even more than I already was. I couldn’t imagine growing up in the public eye and having it analyzed even more by so many adults and people. Seriously don’t blame tiger actors for feeling the way they do when society and the people in their lives are to blame.
@Sproutgoodnight1161
2 жыл бұрын
It's like an induction to see the celebrities all young and innocent and good so that parents will let their children watch and then they turn into "bad girls" or get mentally issues it's like putting bad and negative influences on the childhood audience to grow up to be the same.
@maxiargos1971
Жыл бұрын
As a trans male I noticed somethings, that American media tells you as you grow up with it. For context I grew up in the 90s and 2000s. The Media told me, "This what a girl is, and if you look like this you will be given everything you deserve!" But I never felt right as a girl and every time I tried I failed and I felt so ashamed of my body in ways, that messed with me growing up. It was like everything was wrong about me. Then when it came for guys I was like, "That's how I am growing into. I'm getting taller, my build is box looking, and these are things I relate to" But I can tell you that it was also very negative, because only GUYS should look like this. Not GIRLS or something is wrong with them or they need to grow out of it. If they don't they are gay, and if they are then they deserve what is coming there way. This scared me so badly, cause even my feelings of being attracted to men was also seen as gross as well, since I was ugly, and no one wants the, "Ugly tomboy" to be attracted to them. It's like a guy being attracted to them, and no one wants that. For years I kept in my feelings about my body and how I view myself once I realized that as a kid, then highschool came and I met a friend where we could talk about the media, and a lot of things we noticed were wrong. One of them being how men look or should look. In my friend's point of view he said this, "I hate that the media-no mater what! It says that when I am a teen or soon to be adult I will get a build like a boxer or foot ball star, and if I don't I'm a loser. I hate how this is shown so much, that I wonder why they keep doing this in so many things? No kid or teen looks like that in real life! Even cartoons do this so much, and I'm sick of seeing it! Not only that, but media shows men being handsome so much by them growing up, and I do not think a ''glow up' is a real thing. Is just surgery for the most part. Cause that kind of change dose not happen. I've seen people in my life grow with me, and everyone looks the same for the most part. Not so different where you can't tell it's them." And I agreed with him at the time. Odd how us teens realized this from being lied to only to find out, that we where right with these thoughts with the little we had going on. As for purity....That's a odd thing with me. Of course me being born female was always a issue of, 'doing the devil's tango.' Even when I started dated. With my first bf I was told that If I had a baby it was my fault, and this came around when my mom was planning on marrying her bf to have a kid with him. But at the time I had no idea, that I was in fact, 'Ace'. Cause there was so much I didn't feel at all. Kissing felt like nothing even with the people i liked, and being touched made me feel gross to not want to go that far. Then when I was in my mid 20s and found out what Ace was I was like, "Oh that's what that is. Oh thank god! I'm normal!" I remember even telling my mom this, and she never believed me on this. I even said this to her, "Mom I have been with the same guy for over 10 years and never once had sex with him. That should tell you right there I am Ace." buuut she doesn't understand and says, "Well one day you might," Pppfffff. Sure mom. Sure. XD
@bilelmsk6678
Жыл бұрын
As a biological man I am ashamed of you . Bamblbee
@clara451
2 жыл бұрын
Really good video! It feels extra icky that they have these stars going under the knife and getting plastic surgery as teens going through puberty, it’s just so exploitative of both the stars and the kids watching them. :(
@no1inparticular487
2 жыл бұрын
i also think that if celebritys were fully transparent about plastic surgery, it would massivly normalise and encourage it. i dont think there is a real answer becuase both options are awfull for peoples perceptions of their bodys
@username-mk4qv
Жыл бұрын
I know what you’re saying. It’s sad because there are already celebrities normalizing plastic surgery for being “empowering” and “self love.” Because why put in effort to go to therapy, reframe negative self-talk, and learning to actually love yourself and your body, when you just can pay to build a different body? There will likely never be a healthy discussion around it, at least not from celebrities. Most are too afraid to admit they are insecure, and the industry of profiting off said insecurity is far too lucrative to go away.
@ritaevergreen7234
2 жыл бұрын
I remember being chubby for a really long time in school because of developing really early in school. It ruined how I viewed the safety of my body because I was no longer at times viewed innocent but over sexualized st times by adults while wearing kid clothing. I disliked my body a lot because I felt like I didn’t have control over my body fully. I also looked more kiddish in the face and I remember the beauty standards being unrealistic around my peers in the 2000’s who only liked being around girls who were pretty. This went on all the way even until I graduated high school. I knew a girl even who was considered maybe what’s considered midsize now but I do believe she went through weight loss because of insecurity of never being skinny. I remember her sharing in school how she phrased working out as an outlet for her but I could tell there was a lot more to the story. This was during the phase when kylie jenner began taking over social media and it influenced a lot of girls at my school to start dressing a certain way. Now in my mid twenties I can pass as a teen and now I get lots of attention at times but ironically when I was a kid I was made to feel weird because yes indeed I was going through puberty and having the whole awkward phase with it. It’s just hard for me at times to see older females around my age promoting certain beauty standards online but I feel it could be to compensate for the awkwardness they were as a child which was just a normal development.
@firecracker3911
2 жыл бұрын
Terrific, as always. Thanks
@sincerelyabbeyy
2 жыл бұрын
Yess I remember seeing Ariana Grande & thinking to myself “omg we have the same thighs”! It made me happy lol but then she lost so much weight & her legs were so tiny. I wanted to be like her(which ofc isnt her fault, I was about 14? So I was easily influenced)😭😂
@sophiecraft3158
2 жыл бұрын
Such a good video! Love this topic!!
@monkey6207
2 жыл бұрын
Nice video! I think it would be helpful also to have a video about how dishonestly girls have always been portrayed in media too. (Being the love interest, wearing a pink skirt/bow) which has resulted in almost every girl in my generation thinking they're 'not like other girls'. If you want! It's an interesting subject.
@maxrobertson2834
2 жыл бұрын
Til that you gain weight when you go through puberty… I’m 20… no one ever explained that to me wtf
@krsouff
2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely adore your videos. Thank you for sharing your perspective and analysis with us. 💕
@dalehoward3704
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant observations!
@sockruhtease
2 жыл бұрын
Weight at any size isn't true, BUT it goes both ways. I've been both overweight and underweight and ultimately been criticized both. Also plastic surgery shouldn't be shamed but not pressured or forced on a person
@sandrasara1321
2 жыл бұрын
i agree there is so much more good tween shows out there. from me it is also heartstopper and skam.
@ajuliacarvalho
2 жыл бұрын
If you notice well, miley and ariana were always skinny, but i think they lost weight of puberty so fast as gained. i never was curvy, but i notice when i gained when was 17 and i did lose it very fast tho
@jsun0906
Жыл бұрын
kpop did all of that for me. though i was born in 2000 and grew up with nickelodeon as well, it didn’t influence me as much because i didn’t “look up” to the sitcom stars. as i was bullied at school and looked out for something that was just my own, i discovered kpop in 2013 when the issues of the industry were not revealed at all nor would i have had the mental capacity to understand what was slowly happening to me. when i turned 15, i had already lost a lot of weight and was skinnier than i was at the age of 12, all in order to fit the korean beauty standard. i hope the next generation of teens is handed the tools to identity what’s natural and what’s money making industry insanity.
@sayer4989
2 жыл бұрын
watching this after reading Jennette McCurdys book....
@oliviasommerville4733
2 жыл бұрын
was it good?! I just watched an interview about her talking about her book
@symbioticmango
2 жыл бұрын
another wonderful essay, thank you
@NixRiverSong
2 жыл бұрын
I really like your video and how you covered the problems child stars preteens and teens face in the media both those who work in the media like child preteen and teen actors, and the similarly aged audience of kids who watch them. And thank you for sharing your personal story as well. You mentioned "tweens" in the video repeatedly, and the awkwardness of the tweens and the tweens themselves as in the media representation of them, are dead. It is important to remember however, that the concept of "tween" as in "in between" is an artificially created concept invented by marketers for the purpose of marketing products to children. This concept was created in order to lump together girls aged 6 to 11, and market to them more teen styled clothes and ideas, makeup, and other commercial/consumer products. To market makeup and sexualised teen like outfits to 6,7,8,9,10, and 11 year olds! Now we also have "pre tweens", these are girls aged 4 to 5! Kids getting into their preteen years and teen years have always been awkward! That comes with the territory! But what the creation of "tweens" has done, is it shamelessly exploited this awkwardness and the physical, and emotional changes and challenges that accompany it for marketing and television purposes.
@lunarotimas
2 жыл бұрын
Idk if you'll see this but Miley has talked about how she had braces on early in Hannah Montana and even worse than back braces what the studio did was took her to get braces and then would take them off when they were doing filming and then put them back on. If I remember corre6 it was like she would have them on for a week then off for a few days, then back on, etcetc. She makes it sound like hell and I feel for her. Normal braces are hell and holy shit I can not imagine.
@ericacaine5248
Жыл бұрын
in her book she refers to this as her "flipper?' it was a mouth piece that she could remove while she was on set and attach back on when she was off set.
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