Here’s a video idea: try and fit one of those coreless new motors in an older Triang or Lima loco using one of your 3D printed motor mountings. I’ve always wanted to try it but don’t have a 3D printer to make the mounting.
@111greatbear3
2 жыл бұрын
I despise you for suggesting putting a coreless into a Tri-ang locomotive 😡😡😡😡
@Living_Life_RN
2 жыл бұрын
@@111greatbear3 Well if you use an adapter then you can change it back… plus I’d only do it to a non-runner wreck anyways
@technoandrew
2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you included the bit at the end about the adapter. A free-running mechanism can make such a difference.
@OlivierGabin
2 жыл бұрын
Nice example of Heljan thinking in reverse : simpler, easier and better ! Why not a series on "improve your old/nonfunctional engines" ? I'm in if you make one !
@stuartaaron613
2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on a successful conversion. Its nice that you didn't give up on the B12.
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Stuart - I'm glad I didn't give up too! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@dansmodelrailways7886
2 жыл бұрын
It looks like there may indeed be an issue with the drive train or wheels. Look at 10:48 when you hold it back you can see the rods are not level when running as they should be .
@tgeiii3554
6 ай бұрын
That's just how Hornby manufactures their con rods. They're generally really flimsy and have lots of slack in them.
@nigelmitchell351
5 ай бұрын
I agree, that looks like its in the quartering, part of the issue is that the axle under the cab is the first driven axle.
@mikeking2539
2 жыл бұрын
When you said that the new bigger motor was "more expensive" than the other one, I was thinking that it was going to be like £20. or something! Not just £5, odd! Re the original motor(s) in the B12s' anybody with a faulty one ought to be able to send them back direct to Hornby for a NONE faulty motor to be fitted at Hornby's expense, and they should cover the postage/shipping cost.
@jimadams6159
2 жыл бұрын
Great to see the massive improvement, brilliant job. A reliable locomotive and well worth all the work, nicely done Sam.
@jonswinfield9336
2 жыл бұрын
I’m always really interested to see how you deal with model railway issues with your‘limited’ budget that apparently the big two companies can’t This is a really interesting avenue to keep investigating I hope they see your videos It’s great Salvage or scrap is back again Your 3D printing is getting better and better I’d love to see another project on that How accurate can you eventually get with it? Can you reach ready to run standards?
@mikeking2539
2 жыл бұрын
I would have been tempted to check out the tightness, to see if it could be something that could be imprived on. EG made to roll more freely without the motor in place! To my way of thinking it should be free to roll, and not have any tightness. *(although I could be wrong)
@flyingvillager1472
2 жыл бұрын
This video makes me want to do a motor swap it's made such a huge improvement to that loco as soon as you started running it with coaches I thought "that's only infinitely better than before". Great job
@daylightman8459
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve got an idea: Use the same method from the B12 to fix your plastic ta- I mean… Beattie well tank and Adams O2. The O2 could also be if it from some metal side rods.
@andrewpalm2103
2 жыл бұрын
Well done, Sam! Your last tweak of the mechanism really did the trick. But I think the main moral of this story is "Penny wise, pound foolish" when it comes to motors. Considering the original cost of the engine, saving a few quid on the replacement motor just doesn't make sense, eh? By the way, between watching you and OOBill I've gathered enough courage to work on loco mechanisms, even though I'm "mechanicially challenged." Wish me luck, and cheers from Wisconsin!
@David_Mattox
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. Looks like an engine was salvaged after all, despite the ending to season 2's premiere.
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
haha thanks David - yes at least this one made it! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@alanhaynes4576
2 жыл бұрын
Good to see you fixed it. All it needs now is a flywheel on the shaft at the other end of the motor
@jeffreysmith156
2 жыл бұрын
Well done yet again. Your trials and tribulations educate us lesser folk and help us understand model railway engines better. Thank you.
@bryantan863
2 жыл бұрын
Very nice job Sam. That was very smart of you to use the same motor which sort of looks like the ones which Bachmann uses on their newer models and the B12 from Hornby runs much better with that new coreless motor than its original 5 pole motor which was unfortunately faulty.
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bryan - it sure paid off as the performance was amazing! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@robinforrest7680
2 жыл бұрын
I initially thought the stiffness was down to the position of the worm drive on the spindle. Then I watched to the end 😉… An old trick I was taught when fitting worm gears was to use a cigarette paper between the drive gear and the worm
@timtheeagle1
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent as always! Watching you work on faulty locos is always encouraging, I've now started DCC converting steamers I wouldn't have thought of opening up before. Thanks for the videos.
@kingofthepod5169
2 жыл бұрын
Up next on Sam's Trains: Can we put a Chevy LS in a Mercury Bobcat?
@jake__sggr9732
2 жыл бұрын
now put a hornby motor in a bachmann loco, also unrelated but sometimes when you say bachmann the captions say batman I just find that funny.
@lindaoffenbach
2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Having researched micro/mini motors lately, it seems to be quite the intricate big tech industry on its own with motors ranging from 1 USD to over 100. The latter e.g. for medical devices I suppose. This type of coreless design seems to be according to Faulhaber’s blueprint (original patent) and are available on Aliexpress, Ebay today in various voltages, amps and RPM. We’ve understood somewhere that Bachmann have some of their motors custom made by Buhler who make micro motors on special design request by various manufacturers. But if you shop around, there seems to be plenty ways to go around and find solutions with some extra work; tons of micro motors out there of ~13000 rpm and 6-12, 12-24 volts which should do the job. However, in the end perhaps the expensive ones do offer finer speed controls and higher durability. It’s an interesting subject on its one these micro motors.
@pkmntrainerdennis90
2 жыл бұрын
This turned out nicely! Maybe you can try sometime to see if it would be possible to make a 3D printed adapter for the Triang X03/X04 motors in the future?
@davidstrains4910
2 жыл бұрын
Decent video Sam always good when you can fix a loco yourself in my eye.
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot David - it sure is! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@metrotechguru5863
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent, Sam. Glad you found a solution to the problem.
@TheZeldafan57
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing showcase Sam, if possible could you release the design? I would quite like to attempt tis myself
@tobyytlai
2 жыл бұрын
Sam, you might wanna check the tender drawbar, the tender still clips when it turns left at the 2nd radius S bend
@lapiswake6583
2 жыл бұрын
Well done for getting it running well again. It sounds a little noisy, but it's running as I'd expect again.
@MAFFYP7
2 жыл бұрын
Congrats on 123k
@chrisvaughan159
2 жыл бұрын
Nice job! you've really found a great solution. The motor clearly runs well and has no trouble with the Hornby chassis. If they really are the Bachmann type of motor (certainly look-e-likees), perhaps Hornby might like to sub-contract to them...I really hope they monitor your channel..... I've followed your lead and ordered a couple just in case Hornby can't source a replacement motor themselves for my B12's - that they still have - (or if they fail again when they finally complete the repair - have faith?). Thanks for all of your efforts.
@PhilPage227
2 жыл бұрын
Very well done Sam.
@paulsngaugechannel
2 жыл бұрын
Super. You cracked it. What a difference. So Sam is a fully functional B12 replacement engineer. You did well, and perseverance prevailed. Like the information you give and the ability to show it in live format. Great video Sam .
@TrainmanDan
2 жыл бұрын
Great trouble shooting, Sam.👍
@blocked4239
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam interesting concept maybe try this with the hornby king which wasn’t up to standards either or any other loco in the future Cheers Guy 😁
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Ed - I may well do that! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@pierslindley
2 жыл бұрын
Looks like you have the key now to re-motor a number of your old locos that disappointed and give them a wonderful new life!
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Piers - absolutely - this is definitely the way to go... same with the Bachmann locos too! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@jeannedarcalterberserker8620
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant Sam. Unlike the poor Dock Shunter this loco repair has a happy ending. Its very interesting how well it actually runs on that in my opinion still tiny motor. The upgrade was definately worth it it's still cheap as hell to repair it if you have a 3d printer (unlike me)
@Kairu_Kilofski
8 ай бұрын
I recently fixed my old BR Blue B12. I was surprised that the motor and gearing were just regular Hornby 0-6-0 parts.
@donsharpe5786
2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! It was interesting how the old Tri-ang 3 pole and XO 4 and the original Hornby Dublo motors were (Hornby Double before the original Ringfield, which would stall and burn out if you weren't careful). I have some still operational.
@cheetahgamerz9448
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I recently fried the ringfield in my tender driven 9F evening star
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam, brilliant work, I have three of those motors standing by. How did you reduce the friction in the mech? My B12 had incredibly stiff pickups on the backs of the driving wheels, was yours like that? Top work mate, Mike
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Mike! I just widened the drive shaft adapter so that it didn't grip the shaft so much... then it was perfect... turns out it wasn't anything in the mechanism itsself! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@Damien.D
2 жыл бұрын
That's a fantastic tutorial of how to make things better than ... well, what manufacturers sells at a pretty hefty price? Also coreless motors still have 3 or 5 poles, as in principle these are regular DC motors but construction is just physically very different (and very high-techy, the way the rotors (especially as tiny as these ones) are wound is seriously impressive). The downside is that brushes and commutators of coreless motors are close to being completely unserviceable, making the motor disposable. Also the step beyond that gets rids of poles is brushless (stepper) motors, these ones are torquy as hell at low speed, and nearly wear-free, but way more expensive and it's a whole different job of retrofitting one, as it would require a dedicated controller paired to it. Anyway, well done, works beautifully, I hope this beautiful and very classy looking engine will be seen times to times in the future.
@JohnPW22
2 жыл бұрын
Very well done Sam, your engineering skills are becoming legendary!
@jamesdunloptrains
2 жыл бұрын
Wow thank goodness you was able to fix it very interesting video today Sam
@Antluvstrains
2 жыл бұрын
Never thought I would see a title like this for a Hornby video.
@cheetahgamerz9448
2 жыл бұрын
Especially not the B12
@phil36310
2 жыл бұрын
Well done Sam. I would like to see a comparison between a 5-pole and a coreless motor. Same rpm. What difference in torque / amp draw etc. Interesting !
@lindaoffenbach
2 жыл бұрын
Having gone through some extensive research on micro DC motors lately, in theory coreless should be more efficient and therefore drawing less current (amps) at the same rpm. They offer finer controls at all speeds as well. Disadvantages could be that they heat up quicker and higher, and not handle an overload well (e.g. a combination of steep inclines and/or total weight of wagons or coaches to pull). Since they lack a core mass, they speed up and slow down quicker. Hence, inertia isn't great. However, finer controls and higher efficiency speak for this type of motor. Perhaps Sam could one day elaborate on it by some comparing examples, and also show amp testing, etc.
@phil36310
2 жыл бұрын
@@lindaoffenbach Thanks for this information. Cheers, filip
@TomPrickVixen
2 жыл бұрын
Add a (one of the original) flywheel! Maybe?
@brianmicky7596
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam, Nice review, glad it was ok, (any ideas for a new motor on a class 42 ???) Many thanks , All the best Brian 😃
@bachnguyen7448
2 жыл бұрын
i see your getting into the world of motor swaps, glad to see the b12 running smoother now sidenote: you can try to fit high powered motors for a new speed test without propellers
@modelrailwaynoob
2 жыл бұрын
Good job Sam
@professormicron6470
2 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say that it would be interesting to try and add a flywheel on the other motor shaft and see if it gets smoother, but now I don't think it could get any smoother. The final result is very much factory performance
@karlyoung3275
2 жыл бұрын
Wow Sam that's amazing are the links to the motors available and any chance do you share your 3d designs or sell them on? I've got a couple of sad locos that could do with being made happier lol 😆
@Steamer96
2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of my two later Mantua Mikados having warped chassis, causing no adhesion to the 4 middle drivers. I recently got an older chassis but it needs some drilling to accept the newer mechanism and shells.
@DaiElsan
2 жыл бұрын
Success. What you are doing with the printer and CAD software is quality. It's good to see what a bit of lateral thinking can achieve in making a 'silk purse' out of a sows ear.
@jamesgilbart2672
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent work - Hornby, take note and provide mechanisms that actually operate properly out of the box.
@Teesbrough
2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. Makes me wonder whether manufacturers would do better offering a choice of motors in new models in preference to add-on extras like tinted cab windows or etched nameplates.
@aveedub7403
2 жыл бұрын
I just wish they'd installed decent motors to begin with to justify some shockingly extortionate prices manufacturers charge!
@Teesbrough
2 жыл бұрын
@@aveedub7403 Does make you wonder when a superior motor can be had off EBay for little more than a fiver.
@impy1980
2 жыл бұрын
How do manufacturers keep getting it wrong, when Sam proves time and time again, it's really not that difficult.
@derf9465
2 жыл бұрын
I'd buy a bracket in a heartbeat.
@peterkitts8815
2 жыл бұрын
At the very least you're getting content out of that loco. In fact, more than if it had just worked and not been faulty.
@iceeblueburst03
2 жыл бұрын
Nice experiment you did on the B12!
@RobA500
2 жыл бұрын
Nice work Sam, that’s a great fix.
@ScottishNSRailFan
2 жыл бұрын
You are a genius
@EsotericArctos
2 жыл бұрын
The resistance you felt in the mechanism could be affecting the crawl on this model. The slightly more expensive coreless motor seems to be worth the extra money for those models that warrant it to be spent on them. I mean, it's still less than 10 in a loco that Hornby have some very high RRP on. Good find on the adaptor. You saved Hornby having to replace it with a good one, but you've also proven Hornby have a serious motor quality issue with some of their models. I hope someone from Hornby watches your videos.
@azuma892
2 жыл бұрын
Sam you are the only person who could life my spirits when I'm feeling down, really appreciate the hard work you put in your videos.
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Well that's very lovely to hear - thanks for this, glad to hear you're feeling better! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@a2020vision_official
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic work
@johngibson4641
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam,, to get any loco going again for even 10 quid (20 buks aus $) well worth the exta $$$ in my eyes especially for something that looks sooo good. I also seen in the video the conrods were bending so if they were a tad thicker well that should increase the traction effort only by a small tad it seems to run pretty.good anyways. Cheers from john in Australia.
@SuperAlex1
2 жыл бұрын
The true absolute unit
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
haha! ;D
@SuperAlex1
2 жыл бұрын
@@SamsTrains :)
@NWRJ_WStudios
2 жыл бұрын
Thank goodness that my B12 doesn't need a new motor Cheers Jasper & Willow
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
That is very good news! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@TheWoodlandhoBo
2 жыл бұрын
Well done Sam. Start taking orders for conversions 🤔
@Haltwhistle00
2 жыл бұрын
Oxford Adams Radial Tank up next? Would be keen to see if that engine can be fixed with the same methods?
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely - that's very high up on my list now! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@ScaniaVabis580
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how one of these motors would work out in a bachmann hall? They have particularly hateful little 3 poles, might be an idea!
@markcousins9337
2 жыл бұрын
Good work, Sam. I never liked the B12 myself, as I always think that the tender looks too small, like it's from another locomotive. 🚂
@ianhartley395
2 жыл бұрын
Great job Sam!!! Now, add a flywheel? 😬
@ronb4113
2 жыл бұрын
I think it will be very interesting to see if other, not so good running loco's can benefit from this type of coreless motor. They seem to have enough torque and speed to do there job.
@4everdc302
2 жыл бұрын
Got to get your hands on a Broadway LTD steamer so ya have a benchmark of top notch is.
@sodor_dan-da-man
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting and fun. But I have a suggestion. Why not of seen if swapping the motor from the bargain Hornby King reviewed with similar issues and this loco. Would be interesting to see if the motors truly were the issues or the loco chassis. Would be very interesting to see the results
@troystanhope2184
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent work Sam 👍👍
@paulroberts9704
2 жыл бұрын
Loved this conversion Sam. Are we going to see " Sam's Motors and Mounts". So with this in mind do you think it could be possible to do a tender drive to accompany a loco drive, so we could pull trains of 10 to 14 coaches without double heading 😜
@gabrielcalangi1316
2 жыл бұрын
Hmmm...very interesting...both rival brands put together to make one...very very interesting... Cheers mate and have a good one!
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
haha it sure is - and works very well too! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@Jimyjames73
2 жыл бұрын
Well done Sam - I don't think that I could of done that!!! 🤔🚂🚂🚂
@generalprincecodyhedgewolf2944
2 жыл бұрын
You are somehow a master OO gauge engineer
@alanwagstaff16
2 жыл бұрын
Weldone Sam maybe you should market the idea to Hornby lol 😂🤣😂🤣
@chasesrailwaylinesrr6447
2 жыл бұрын
Nice repair, Nice episode of salvage or scrap last episode Too bad it's not a variety of different company locomotives like lima Hornby triang or rivarossi That's what kind of made it funny because it didn't look like you knew what you were doing
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Chase - yes that's true, quite a few from Hornby this time - but I prioritised getting interesting locos over mixing the brands! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@michaelgamble296
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this excellent techno-refit video using the newer coreless motor in your Hornby B12. What is the correct gauge to success? What a fabulous result! Well done, Sam. I have three Hornby B12's - in their original boxes - which say they are: R150-9300's. The tenders have a 'mechanical simulator sound effect'! I bought all three new for 28 pounds 65p.! I do not know how these versions compare to your version. All three have the Loco Number: 7476 and pickup is on the Loco's front and back Drivers. Boiler handrails are silver-painted on a plastic extrusion part of the boiler. How cheap is that?!
@michaelgamble296
2 жыл бұрын
The price I quoted was the total price for all three. One was 10 Pounds, one at 9.65 and one at 9.00. Made by Rovex, Margate.UK
@medwaymodelrailway7129
2 жыл бұрын
Lots going on Sam enjoyed your video and like and share thanks DD.
@mikeking2539
2 жыл бұрын
Did/are/do you fix the broken front step on the loco. ?
@bendarby32
2 жыл бұрын
By coincidence I bought this exact motor today to try to improve my Oxford rails adams radial. Posting will take a while but I’ll let you know how it goes
@bendarby32
2 жыл бұрын
Wrote that comment at the start of the video. This video has given me a lot of confidence. I love the adams radial. It looks amazing so if it can work as well as most of my other locos I’ll be very happy
@Mallard60800
2 жыл бұрын
can you put a link to some similar coaches for sale? I love the look of them
@TheSaint491
2 жыл бұрын
Try a motor from the hornby b1, they have the earlier version of the spec motor and can take the flywheels with a little adjustment :)
@gabrielcalangi1316
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Sam just a little suggestion...maybe on your next video try doing an LNER Vs LMS competition containing its strength, performance around the layout, speed and quality. Nigel Gresley Vs William Stanier.
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
That sounds super cool Gabriel - thanks for the idea! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@badlyfilmedproductionspres8022
2 жыл бұрын
@@SamsTrains Or how about recreate the LNER/GWR trials as it nearly 100 years since they happened.
@aveedub7403
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam, great broadcast again.............my wounded B12 is currently at Hornby's for a warranty repair; call me cynical I'd be surprised if it runs as intended with a new motor. I like the model very much, so I wonder if you could supply the bits I need to install this bachman motor into my B12 when it comes back from Dr. Hornby? I'm sure you'll get asked this question ad nauseam. Clearly there'll be a cost element if you could quantify that I can settle up with you. Much appreciated Shane
@lewishughes8541
2 жыл бұрын
Hi sam I hope you're ok At least it runs better now and those motors do look good quality
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Hope you are too Lewis - really impressed with these... will definitely use them more oftenn! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@sambrown6426
2 жыл бұрын
When I first saw it wheelslipping, I thought it was because the new motor doesn't weigh as much as the old one, and lighter locos have less traction. Guess I was wring though.
@MikeL0ck
5 ай бұрын
Hi Sam, great video. Have you had a go at replacing the noisy motor in the Hornby N2 locos ? I looked at getting one and even though Hornby did release an "updated" model R2214 it seems they re-used the old motor and thus did not fix the noisy running problem which you showed in one of your videos
@bow-tiedengineer4453
2 жыл бұрын
Would you be willing to try pulling the flywheels off the original motor and pressing them onto this one, or if they have a different shaft size, trying to make a flywheel for it? That would really bring it up to the highest quality.
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah different shaft size unfortunately - an adapter would be possible, but if you mount a flywheel even minutely off-centre, it's far worse than not having one at all! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@NWRJ_WStudios
2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting Sam Cheers Felix & Laura
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! :D
@davidblick5364
Ай бұрын
Hi Sam, two motors burnt out on my B12 which has seen little use. 😮 Just wondering if you were interested in manufacturing your adapter and other mods, to sell as a kit to help out other modellers with the same problem? Cheers Dave 👍
@MRacer001
2 жыл бұрын
would you consider posting the 3d design for that custom mount you made?
@gelwaregeorge2685
2 жыл бұрын
my B12 has also suffered a defeat now, and mines over a year old and the LNER green one. Capacitor packed up. Perhaps Hornby rigged them to self desruct? ahaha
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Ahh so sorry to hear that - yes the circuit boards are known to fault as well - planned obsolescence for the win xD Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@johndixon4736
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam, don’t suppose you could make the adapter file available?? Desperately trying to find a replacement motor for mine!
@Spaceman20150
2 жыл бұрын
Can u do a marklin starterset review
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to try that - nice idea! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@rorz101uk
10 ай бұрын
Sam, can you tell me where you got the bigger screws to fit the new motor cradle?
@cheesedoff-with4410
2 жыл бұрын
Are you able to use similar magic to ressurect that ancient Triang shunter? There must be legions of locos that only await your deft touch before leaping back to life.
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