I think I'd be cool to have more short little cp videos on other characters people struggle with.
@chaosdestruct
3 жыл бұрын
Yes please
@FuegodeInfierno
3 жыл бұрын
CP?? 😱
@chaosdestruct
3 жыл бұрын
@@FuegodeInfierno counter play
@Thelolzorbots
3 жыл бұрын
Please have one on samus. I know there's counterplay and lag there in-between those projectiles but in the heat of the moment it's hard to find and deal with
@ghanaria7996
3 жыл бұрын
@@FuegodeInfierno this isn’t 2020 smash community. This is the new and improved 2021 smash community!
@garyblue4420
3 жыл бұрын
Quick and to the point. THe 1 dislike is a wifi pyra for sure
@n31l_7
3 жыл бұрын
actually its the person that tried to do this o n l i n e
@sayakadisliker2201
2 жыл бұрын
21 WiFi Pyras...
@igirjei3717
3 жыл бұрын
True that mythra's tilts are unsafe on shield, but that just adds another layer to her mixups, she can run up to your shield and then run away, spotdodge, jump, etc because it's near impossible to react to her tilts in the first place
@MikeyDLuffy
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed! The moves themselves are good, I'm not trying to downplay them, but at the moment it feels like people are treating them as if they're + on block haha. At least force the Mythra player to play the character well and try to mix you up. Too many players are just mashing the tilts whenever they are in CQC and getting away with it.
@starmantheta2028
3 жыл бұрын
@valy0f Huh? That makes no sense.
@starmantheta2028
3 жыл бұрын
@valy0f "If your opponent is a competent player" is a very broad and vague component that doesn't take into consideration any other variables. Just because the opponent is competent does not mean that they will or even can make the optimal play. Competent players can be mixed up, can make mistakes, can be driven into the corner. Not to mention that you can shield on Reaction, bait a bad option, set up for an oos kill or combo starter, etc. There's also a lot of other variables of the play state to consider. Stage positioning is a very important one. If the opponent lacks much stage control then they are still in disadvantage. If they are recovering even more so, since you have more options and you can shut down the option of their putting out a hit box to cover their recovery. And of course, if you Shield at the right position you can cover many ledge options, giving you a definite advantage. Shielding is an important tool that can be used to bait or cover options. Advantage and disadvantage is more than whether or not you are taking your turn. That'd be like saying if someone blocked a wake up DP that the blocking player was in the worse spot.
@justabazikdude8592
3 жыл бұрын
They sucks ass in disadvantage, their recovery options are incredibly gimpable and they have a hard time killing once you have the matchup down. Zone Pyra out and she's fucked. None of their grabs really kills so shield is a powerfull answer to Mythra's neutral and if she don't space her moves right, you can punish oos or grab as you showed. Now when they'll begin to really weaponize foresight, we're in trouble.
@MikeyDLuffy
3 жыл бұрын
I think they have more obvious flaws than characters like Joker/Zss/Pika but we'll see how it develops! I have high hopes for the character
@mathunit1
3 жыл бұрын
"They sucks ass in disadvantage," Not really, Mythra's fast fall air dodge is really good, and Down-B is unlimited air dodge.
@feliz5919
2 жыл бұрын
“Zone Pyra out and she’s fucked” lmao sadly true.
@Moonshine1234
2 жыл бұрын
foresight?
@LumboDumbo
2 жыл бұрын
Good Pythras will use Mythra if you're at a high percent to use her superior mobility and frame data to put you in a bad position and then switch to Pyra for the last killing blow. So you cannot really avoid Pyra at high percents either
@At0micPunk90
3 жыл бұрын
Boy, did I need to watch this video. I have *not* enjoyed fighting against Pythra.
@crsimba3951
3 жыл бұрын
Hey its me, I'm the friend!
@kevinwong9353
3 жыл бұрын
ni howdy
@PrecludeLP
3 жыл бұрын
Mikey D. out here with the truth. These characters are fantastic, but they're not Yun. *cries in Remy*
@sonicthundershock
3 жыл бұрын
That was a great watch! You earned a sub, my dude.
@MikeyDLuffy
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed and thank you!
@Dwish305
3 жыл бұрын
One of the best channels to improve on smash, glad I found it
@kazbeard
3 жыл бұрын
What a nice guide, it's short, clear and goes straight to the point while showing good gameplay without unnecessarily extending it to reach the 10 minutes mark, you deserve way more subs!!
@nesswednesday2976
3 жыл бұрын
This is an interesting video to watch. While I still think they can be top 5 or 3 at best, I'm not a fan of when too many players jump into the "Sm4sh" talk week 1 without analyzing the character's frame data.
@ammmmm6556
2 жыл бұрын
Well times have changed there number one no doubt
@miguelc2164
3 жыл бұрын
Seen a lot of mythra guides as of late and hands down this is the best 1 and so short thanks Mikey D.
@DrWhom-vt4xd
3 жыл бұрын
Ty Mr. D. Luffy! Just watched your video and down smashed a Mithra a Side B as Wing Sephiroth. Died at 90%. Gottem ggs
@MikeyDLuffy
3 жыл бұрын
Atta boy Dr. Whom?
@LeafysHere
3 жыл бұрын
thank u so much bro
@Famitrack
3 жыл бұрын
You should make a video like this for Min Min
@vire559
3 жыл бұрын
Mythra is broken.
@Pelet_Pelet
3 жыл бұрын
Byleth or ZZS next please, this was amazing!
@franciscovaldes4107
3 жыл бұрын
"People just dont want to lab" oh yeah, let me just go to the AMAZING training mode smash ultimate has and set mythra to do certain moves so i can learn how to wiff punish. Oh wait... WE CANT because training mode SUCKS ASS
@dresean3725
3 жыл бұрын
You can, tho
@franciscovaldes4107
3 жыл бұрын
@@dresean3725 can you please explain to me how i set a character to do downtilt into shield so i can try parrying it and punish?
@eaa1338
3 жыл бұрын
@@franciscovaldes4107 you buy a second controller. But yeah you can’t really set a cpu to perform certain action except jump, run, walk, neutral-b or f-smash.
@phenom4630
3 жыл бұрын
Great video on the counterplay! Raito made a similar video but it was obviously in Japanese so this good for an English version. Pyra and Mythra are definitely really strong but the flaws of the character will really start to show over time as people ingrain the proper counterplay
@joshford256
3 жыл бұрын
They can't keep getting away with this
@coryinthehouse8125
3 жыл бұрын
Delete this
@Virosaa
3 жыл бұрын
watch this char barely be mid tier when offline.
@TopOfAllWorlds
3 жыл бұрын
there is no way that is happening ever.
@Annihilatedd
3 жыл бұрын
High Tier Minimum
@ThaDonShawn
3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: If your opponent uses prominence revolt (Pyra's Up B) near the edge of the stage, shield the hit, run into them (don't attack) pushing them off the stage they will go into free fall and die. This is really easy to do with Mythra since her movement speed is so fast.
@bobcat_named_bob
3 жыл бұрын
this is actually super inconsistent and pyra survives this more often than she dies by simply grabbing the ledge, its actually typically better to go for a regular punish
@Bluebatstar
3 жыл бұрын
I recently started maining these 2, and people online are getting better at punishing these moves, with the exception of Down Tilt. But it's good to know it's punishable so I get out of that bad habit.
@DucVEagle
3 жыл бұрын
what about pyras down air, I still dont know how to deal against that move, it has almost 250 degree range
@speedtumbler9807
3 жыл бұрын
Btw certain characters have less vulnerability on their spotdodges compared to others, for example most characters such as Lucina have invulnerability on frames 3-17 while Zero Suit Samus, Fox, Sheik, and maybe a few others only have invul on frame 3-14, making it so they get hit by the final hit of Pyra's flame nova. In the case for those fast characters, they can instead block the first hit and then parry the 2nd hit of flame nova, in which they can punish her with any option frame 8 or faster. So parrying the 2nd hit allows ZSS to punish with up-b, Fox with up-smash, and sheik with down smash.
@thegamingreaper1293
Жыл бұрын
This games unfortunately full of garbage characters like pyra/mythra who just spam OP ass moves 😭😂
@CramcrumBrewbringer
3 жыл бұрын
I think people don’t punish because the hotboxes aren’t very well illustrated.
@dislikebutton-chan4783
2 жыл бұрын
I’ll just try spamming shield on everything except pyra side smash
@bredfigure2902
Жыл бұрын
I struggle with their hitbox shifting they are so slim and sneaky. Also they have a fast OoS so gg if you want to camp them out.
@literallydeadpool
3 жыл бұрын
oh this is pretty cool, thanks for the help!
@errrcc
3 жыл бұрын
Really love this video! If you could make a series of videos on other characters that ppl struggle with or characters that are popular. Thanks man!!!
@skaelyhd6524
Жыл бұрын
bruh i thought her tilts were all unpunishable. thanks for the advice man
@joviel6620
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm still struggling against Pyra neutral B.
@dresean3725
3 жыл бұрын
Algorithm
@crimson4E8
Жыл бұрын
I think the best way to beat her its using the shield when u see his sword in fire and after his attack ends with a smash attack u can damage her, but idk im still losing against her
@mangoman785
3 жыл бұрын
Bro, you were extremely right on all these points, I used all these tips and wrecked a few pyra/mythras on elite smash
@enrique.garcia
3 жыл бұрын
Almost left without leaving something to feed the algorithm, great vid man! Great format too!
@MikeyDLuffy
3 жыл бұрын
haha appreciate it
@apexrose
Жыл бұрын
What about falling nair is that easily punished?
@OnilEsguerra
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much
@MikeyDLuffy
3 жыл бұрын
Hope it helped!
@losdetalles4633
3 жыл бұрын
Pyra and mythra player are just mashing
@MikeyDLuffy
3 жыл бұрын
Yea yea people say this about every character they lose to lmao
@losdetalles4633
3 жыл бұрын
@@MikeyDLuffy so you’re telling me that 80% of pyra and myrtha don’t mash side B upB and forwardsmash😭😂
@KyokaMaruyama
3 жыл бұрын
I am a noob playing only 2 hours so far and i beat my pro friend with her and She got mad at me.
@robertfrank6414
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much bro this character is annoying.
@jaystapes3086
3 жыл бұрын
to bad none of this actually works online, cuz online sucks
@massilyar341
Жыл бұрын
But what characters are good at walling pyra and mythra
@_Dumb_Answers
3 жыл бұрын
Notice he's not mentioning lighting buster lol
@bigtoblerone8446
Жыл бұрын
If you hit with bare end of dash atk, it's not -22
@Ryza2K
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the guide, it’s very useful and hope to see more in the future!
@bellers5086
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, I don't know why I got recommended this 3 months later, this is really good content! that's an EASY sub.
@trainertaylor5396
3 жыл бұрын
Well fuck. Now I’m exposed
@nextos
3 жыл бұрын
yeah this is dope, more of these would be sick
@andymcclurg9916
3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I don't play Smash anymore but if I did, I would definitely recommend to my friends.
@nigele8625
3 жыл бұрын
😱😱😱😱😱DLC CHARACTER BROKEN OP
@TheCodingGamer
3 жыл бұрын
Great content as always, man! More counter play guides will always be appreciated too
@luckyshot6193
3 жыл бұрын
right on G aye lmk if you do coaching or like anything of the sort
@Randoman590
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this! At least one of the top players in my Locals region has picked up P&M and I think more people are also trying to learn the character, so guides like this are exactly what I need. We need more of this style of content in the community in general - dealing with the annoying and/or powerful characters as the opponent.
@revalone3944
3 жыл бұрын
ur a life saver
@Jenna_Toules
Жыл бұрын
Bro other than pyra side b these aren’t her broken moves. It’s mythra spammable air attacks and juggling that leads to an air attack from pyra that can kill at 60. That’s busted
@MikeyDLuffy
Жыл бұрын
This came out the week they released brother lmao
@jasonpelley9756
3 жыл бұрын
Great vid again dude.
@topolatte
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks I actually didn't see that
@monoko1234
2 жыл бұрын
I hear a bunch of "laggiest move in the game" and "can be punished by anything" here, but you're *sleeping* on "that -166 on shield" move
@spicymeatballs2thespicening
2 жыл бұрын
Which move is that
@cpt11morgan57
3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff, figured a lot of this out on my own. Enjoyed nonetheless
@a.r.m.d3960
Жыл бұрын
I hate these characters
@Dessie4L
3 жыл бұрын
Nice vid nice intro is that new?
@MikeyDLuffy
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Ive had it for a few weeks
@jebstuart3162
3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, fewer mashers and more good players
@ZackZavage
2 жыл бұрын
Very helpful stuff, thanks, keep it up!
@Mayachrite
2 жыл бұрын
Ok but most online pyra and mythras just spam phantom edge and prominence revolt so
@MikeyDLuffy
2 жыл бұрын
Those sould be the easiest ones to beat
@OMORIDAILYNEWS
2 жыл бұрын
Noo please dont punish me
@albinofrog5175
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips, this really helps!
@CRodsnare
3 жыл бұрын
I am the Anti-Weeb
@emeraldarrow8634
3 жыл бұрын
Basically, shield
@wenbinx
2 ай бұрын
Gyat
@fabiangarciamarquez4506
3 жыл бұрын
Nice! Simple and smooth 👌🏻
@nitai001
3 жыл бұрын
What a good video
@rickytaco7144
3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I can for sure beat up my friends pyra/mythra, just one question. Can Greninja shield grab Mythra's tilts?
@MikeyDLuffy
3 жыл бұрын
Only the Utilt. Greninjas grab too slow :(
@rickytaco7144
3 жыл бұрын
@@MikeyDLuffy Oh man :( thank you though!
@bonghornleghorn761
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@revalone3944
3 жыл бұрын
also if pyra up b on stage close to the ledge you can push her off and she free falls and dies
@MikeyDLuffy
3 жыл бұрын
I was going to add this but if the Pyra player holds in she will always grab the ledge before falling. I'd imagine most Pyra players will know that and never die to that soon
@revalone3944
3 жыл бұрын
@@MikeyDLuffy ah i didn’t know that i just saw a video of someone doing it before and figured i would mention
@Super_Wooper
2 жыл бұрын
Nice intro
@krazyzyko
3 жыл бұрын
Delete this.
@DICEBOY22
3 жыл бұрын
My Hero is struggling with friends Mythra/Pyra and Sephiroth.... Hopefully this helps...
@abashnabs2196
3 жыл бұрын
This needs way more views!
@aviol8067
3 жыл бұрын
I am now sad this video exists. I honestly prefer spamming to thinking. Great idea for a video though, really nice execution as well
@bobbyzeitgeist1842
3 жыл бұрын
Holy shit thank you so much I hate this character and I needed answers
@mathunit1
3 жыл бұрын
All this does is make the best Pyra/Mythra mains like Mkleo stop doing this stuff and abuse their other strengths. It's the same stuff that happened with UI Goku in Fighterz before he got nerfed. Find counterplay and just counterplay the counterplay.
@patrickburton1401
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve noticed the Pyra/mythra ditto is just so funny. Their punish game is so gross, and a lot of ppl keep using the specials with heavy end lag..
@GodfreyEnjoyer1
3 жыл бұрын
people really think this character is top tier lol xD damn this community will never change. Give it time. People also thought that bayo, meta knight and ganon were top tier.
@PrimeFlash93
2 жыл бұрын
Video could use an update now that every Pyra/Mythra user knows not to use the handful of most easily punished moves. Dealing with dair spam from Pyra should be item #1.
@inferno6986
3 жыл бұрын
This only works if your opponent is just mashing but all of it is good counterplay. However, I do agree that photon edge hitboxes are deceptively not as big as they look.
@samshapira8295
3 жыл бұрын
I'm a plant main. She's not the hardest to punish, but you need to be careful. Since she has a lot of moves that do best when going above P'tooie completely fucks her over.
@alandunaway3000
3 жыл бұрын
Mythra's Photon Edge is also countered with a shield.
@mrlucius57
3 жыл бұрын
excellent and straight to the important points 10/10
@muglokdecrepitus1301
3 жыл бұрын
One of the mayor problems for is that I'm unable to control the character walk, so every time that I move I'm running and when I start i do the dash and I'm I can't use the shield or react fast, I would love this game to have a button to force the walk when u are holding it, with that I could punish easily this kind of moves
@juanpellejero587
3 жыл бұрын
What about their most broken option, Pyra's Dair
@billyjuno
3 жыл бұрын
This is such a helpful video. Wifi does really make it hard to punish these kind of moves lol
@alexruan6522
2 жыл бұрын
Wow actually so insightful, thank you!
@gravemind76
3 жыл бұрын
I sent this video to many of my friends when people complaining.
@luckyshot6193
3 жыл бұрын
u got anymore counter plays on the Aegis sisters ?
@damndanielcruz6754
3 жыл бұрын
Watching this video to see what is too punishable
@DMeechie
2 жыл бұрын
if you play this character you are terrible. get good
@MikeyDLuffy
2 жыл бұрын
If you spend time crying about other characters you're probably terrible 😂
@FuriousKai
3 жыл бұрын
Why you gotta teach these ppl how to play against her😔
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