a clip of Lee mack not mentioning that he's from the north
@ublade82
8 жыл бұрын
+wab jahmarely MEE HOOSBINNED
@ApsaraMenaka
6 жыл бұрын
But the north remembers
@MrBuch169169
10 жыл бұрын
Every single time I watch this and try to follow it, I completely agree with Lee and barely manage to understand by the end! Apparently I'm incapable of rational thought. xD
@mathmatucla
10 жыл бұрын
I before E except after C weird, according to the rule, should be wierd. But it's not.
@MrBuch169169
10 жыл бұрын
But there's no C in that! ;)
@Iennda
10 жыл бұрын
***** Read the rule again. "i before e, except after c". The rule is saying, that every time "e" should follow "i", not the other way around - EXCEPT when there's "c before these two, when the "i" is suppose to follow the "e". But "weird" is one of many examples, when it's "ei" even though there's no "c", which is the whole point. The rule is wrong, because there are over 900 words with "ei" even though it's not after "c".
@Fcutdlady
10 жыл бұрын
society is a good example of an exception to the rule i before e except after c (i think)
@dg-hughes
9 жыл бұрын
I admit it was hard to follow they were all talking and joking around intentionally trying to get Stephen upset as they usually do that's half the fun. But it's simply about words which contain both the letters i and e in them and the order they are in. It doesn't matter if the word has a letter c it's only about the order letter i and e; they can be together ei or ie such as "weird" or "modified" or words with them separate such as "ibex", or "envision" Old thinking was any words with a letter c, letter i and letter e meant that letter e had to come before i no exceptions but it isn't true that rule is wrong as Stephen said there are 21 times as many words that break that rule, albeit most are not true English words then again English borrows so many words from other languages.
@xonxt
7 жыл бұрын
To their credit "i after e except after c" is a very confusing way to formulate a grammatic rule.
@lukessummerguitar
7 жыл бұрын
"I before E, except after C"
@TheToledoTrumpton
7 жыл бұрын
I was taught that this rule only applied when the sound was "ee" So glacier doesn't count because the sound is "ee-er".
@borggus3009
6 жыл бұрын
What about weird and species?
@mglenadel
6 жыл бұрын
They're diphthongs. It's WE-IRD, clearly two sounds, the "e" and the "i". The rule is about one sound which is written as two letters (like REC-EI-PT). Same for SPE•CI-ES. Same for HA•CI-EN•DA.
@borggus3009
6 жыл бұрын
I guess weird contains one because rs are naturally pronounced with an e, in the same way beer has a diphthong. However species does not contain any diphthongs, it is just spi-siz(IPA spelling for clarity).
@jackass123491
10 жыл бұрын
This clip never gets old.
@hannahlilley1446
10 жыл бұрын
Daniel Radcliffe has not idea what is going on
@HardwareG33k
6 жыл бұрын
1:23 "wtf is happening, I'll just eat my pen"
@LittleRedHenFilmsLondon
8 жыл бұрын
Lesson: Always question recieved wisdom.
@thiagotofano
7 жыл бұрын
received*... hahahaha... Oh, the irony.
@KarstenOkk
7 жыл бұрын
That was the joke.
@parryxxlivxx
6 жыл бұрын
One you've got that one down you're ready for university
@gliuto
7 жыл бұрын
"Are you incapable of rational thought?!" HHHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHA!!!
@Trollfagget
10 жыл бұрын
c-ceiling?
@JayRicci7891
9 жыл бұрын
I love Lee's Bruce Forsyth impression
@NestingOfMachineGuns
11 жыл бұрын
This is one of my five favorite moments on QI. Ever.
@jaskbanner
10 жыл бұрын
I don't know if it's the cold medicine but, I never laughed so hard! This was truly funny! Lee slays me every time he's on this show.
@MatthewPlato91
10 жыл бұрын
A fantastic line, and so Stephen Fry like. It's a line I need to remember to be able to quote in future.
@LSRandomHandle
3 жыл бұрын
I am so confused as to why everybody is confused. Stephen explained it perfectly clearly
@Iennda
10 жыл бұрын
It's rather sad that there are so many people who don't understand it anyway.
@superfluouslyme
11 жыл бұрын
LOL! So funny. I'd admit that I would probably be confused if I were on the panel with these guys.
@AnarchistMetalhead
10 жыл бұрын
they say about the acropolis where the parthenon is..... Because it is!!!!
@DamienLunas
10 жыл бұрын
The real rule is "I before E except after C, OR WHEN SOUNDING LIKE "A" AS IN NEIGHBOR AND WEIGH. The rule is a lot more accurate when you add that part in.
@mankytoes
9 жыл бұрын
That does make it less... weird
@ScepticalCat13
9 жыл бұрын
What about 'science'?
@butterflyreflections
9 жыл бұрын
ScepticalCat13 do you not pronounce it say-ence? :P
@rtg_onefourtwoeightfiveseven
9 жыл бұрын
ancient, their, protein, I could go on.
@QuantumOverlord
9 жыл бұрын
No, the rule is. "I before E except after C, but only if the word rhymes with B"
@audball911
12 жыл бұрын
@dasetman I before E except after C, or when it says "ay" as in neighbor and weigh. I've never heard a necessary sound for "ei."
@littlemissmello
10 жыл бұрын
My favourite still is "Cheese is the celebration of milk gone off big time-stiley" Never heard a better description of anything ever!
@atweedz
11 жыл бұрын
this is a great panel
@Ten13Grl
11 жыл бұрын
That's my favorite bit, as well! It makes me laugh every time! :-)
@fleeb
10 жыл бұрын
I'd always learned the rule as: "i before e except after c, or sounding as "a", like neighbor or weigh." Although even that rule doesn't quite work for words like 'weird'.
@AmyLeefan1024
11 жыл бұрын
Thank you that had been driving me nuts! I couldn't remember the last part of the rhyme.
@AICabal
10 жыл бұрын
Lee Mack trolling at its best.
@Clarestovold
12 жыл бұрын
Gotta love this entire panel
@Towerofhell
10 жыл бұрын
And yet he rocked the hell out of his one time on the show. He was pretty fucking amazing.
@kokoshneta
11 жыл бұрын
I quite agree-but in this particular case, it is actually a somewhat relevant distinction to make, since c only does show up the 60 per cent, never in the 20 (except in the digraphs ck and ch).
@nomadicification
11 жыл бұрын
I learned it as "'I' after 'E' except after 'C' or when sound in 'Ay' as in 'Neighbor' or 'Weigh'"
@Chris180Z
10 жыл бұрын
Ahh thanks for clearing that up, I thought the rule applied to any c's (including the one at the start of the word).
@thecassman
10 жыл бұрын
He says "Bruce Forsyth banter"... If you're unsure of who he is, Bruce Forsyth is a veteran presenter in the UK who, mainly in his older shows, used to politely mock the contestants if they gave incorrect answers.... Lee Mack was saying that Stephen needed to work on his method, presumably the "polite" bit ;-)
@Nulono
10 жыл бұрын
My favorite is "Are you saying there's no centi-claws?".
@JohnKater1971
12 жыл бұрын
@dasetman I was never taught "if the sound is EE" yet that is what I understood it to be.
@ebzdarkstrength
11 жыл бұрын
Best. Thing. Ever! Would someone mind telling me what episode this is from please? x
@EkajraES
12 жыл бұрын
"I before E, except after C, and when sounding like A as in neighbor and weigh. And on weekends, and holidays, and all throughout May. And you'll never be right no matter what you say!" ~ Brian Reagan
@Roronoa2zoro
11 жыл бұрын
He abides by the theory of " 'tis better to be silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt" :P
@Ceighk
11 жыл бұрын
When I was in school they taught it as "I before E except after C... when the sound is E" -- in being, weird, etc. the sound is not solely E, so the rule still applies to those. Some slip through that rule too though.
@CarbonBasedRainForm
10 жыл бұрын
'Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome, Loose-Stool-Water!'
@AutomaticDuck300
9 жыл бұрын
I before E, except after C, but only when the word rhymes with E.
@CGMossa
10 жыл бұрын
I like the fact that you spelt Neil as Niel. It seems to me that the rule discussion just entered your head and took precedence.. Very interesting indeed.
@Adrienne_Quelle
12 жыл бұрын
This is up there with the Rabbit situation. Hilarious.
@al43811
6 жыл бұрын
I mean, to be fair, the rule applies to words that are more commonly used and that have an "ee" sound. You cannot compare the spelling of "society" or "glacier" to "ceiling" because the mere sounds are different. No student would make the mistake of spelling glacier like "glaceir" since it does not sound like it. Also "Madeira" is a name. The only case named in this episode which is justified is the word "weird", and I think most students learn the spelling of the word "weird" as an exception even to common intuition
@E101ification
8 жыл бұрын
Even as a kid in school when I was first told this 'rule', I instantly called bullshit on it. Even when I didn't know all the exceptions to the rule, it seemed to me that there would be far more 'exceptions' to this rule than examples. Teachers used to tell me I was wrong and needed to shut up and learn. Now I am smug. :)
@scottsound4711
8 жыл бұрын
no your not smug you're a free thinker I dropped out of school because off bullshit like this. I'm doing just fine .
@bjtoale9661
8 жыл бұрын
+Scott Sound what do you mean "this bullshit"? It's not like teachers are trying to con you. It's not like they want you to be stupid
@Peleski
11 жыл бұрын
We use it to differentiate the spelling of certain tricky words, like deceive, receipt, conceive when compared to words like believe, chief, grieve etc. It's not a perfect rule, but we learn it at school nevertheless.
@Sposchy
11 жыл бұрын
I always thought the rule only really applied for hard "see" sounds.
@Unashamed2b
11 жыл бұрын
It was the Christmas special of the H series Hocus Pocus but searching QI Daniel Radcliffe works just as well :P I love this scene, Daniel's taken aback by them all yelling xD
@kokoshneta
11 жыл бұрын
See below post starting with “Given the context of littlegerman12’s post”. (Looks like I even managed to post it twice, so you can pick and choose which one you want to refer to!)
@shreedhar333
10 жыл бұрын
haha; I didn't even notice that. Very observational indeed.
@Telstar62a
12 жыл бұрын
oo yeah, almost missed that.
@robbiedart7422
8 жыл бұрын
The thing is everyone already knows how to spell 'veil' and 'glacier', the spelling is inherently obvious in the pronunciation. The rule works on words like 'receipt', 'ceiling', 'receive' etc. where people often struggle. With all the words where the rule doesn't work, you're never going to think of the rule in the first place!
@davidmcfarlane4149
6 жыл бұрын
Thats because stephan missed half of the rule, veil follows the rules the same way weigh does. If its forming an "a" sound its ei
@falloutghoul1
11 жыл бұрын
Yep. Series G - Groovy (Christmas Special).
@senseiponzor
12 жыл бұрын
Spelt is usually taught in Britain.
@TheOnlyGimmeturben
7 жыл бұрын
It started at the 30 second mark nad it went the whole way through
@goateesailor
12 жыл бұрын
whats this episode called?
@wowbbles
12 жыл бұрын
I always knew the rule as "I before E, except after C, AND when pronounced AY as in Neighbor and Weigh." I wonder how that stands up...
@allwhen
10 жыл бұрын
'I before E, except after C And when sounding like A As in neighbour and weigh And on weekends and holidays and all throughout May, and you'll always be wrong no matter what you say!'
@gammelhund
10 жыл бұрын
Glad to be of service.
@kokoshneta
11 жыл бұрын
The proper (as proper as it can get) rule of thumb is that /ˈiː/ (= an ‘ee’ sound that carries the main stress in a word) is spelt ‘ei’ word-initially or after a c; and ‘ie’ after any other consonant. It does not apply to unstressed syllables, e.g. ‘emergencies’-in some dialects; nor to cases where the sound is not /iː/ (‘ee’), e.g., ‘being’, ‘weigh’, ‘concierge’, etc. Properly defined, there are far fewer exceptions than examples. As such, it’s rather a disingenious question to ask here.
@blondemario
12 жыл бұрын
Fair point.
@JimiDjango2112
12 жыл бұрын
Lee Mack: Master Troll
@kokoshneta
11 жыл бұрын
Given the context of littlegerman12’s post, I think it’s clear enough that ‘truly English word’ means something along the lines of an inherited, non-borrowed word in English. Hence the statement that there basically are none-c only appears in loan words, except in the combinations ‘ck’ and ‘ch’. I never said anything about c not appearing before ‘ie’, though. And being a rocket scientist really wouldn’t be of much use when talking about orthography, would it?
@gorgolyt
11 жыл бұрын
Implying that rocket scientists are also well versed etymologists. Brilliant.
@kokoshneta
11 жыл бұрын
Given the context of littlegerman12’s post, I think it’s clear enough that ‘truly English word’ means something along the lines of an inherited, non-borrowed word in English. Hence the statement that there basically are none: the letter c nearly only appears in loan words, except in the combinations ‘ck’ and ‘ch’. I never said anything about c not appearing before ‘ie’, though. And being a rocket scientist really wouldn’t be of much use when talking about orthography, would it?
@MarcoTalin12
11 жыл бұрын
Series H - Hocus Pocus. One of the last episodes of that series
@8bit_pineapple
10 жыл бұрын
"I before e, except after c, and the following nine hundred and twenty three(words):....."
@Bullet4MyEnemy
11 жыл бұрын
I thought I'd seen every episode, but I've never seen one with Daniel Radcliffe in it before... Which series and episode is this? I need to see them all!
@LostBillz
12 жыл бұрын
Thats my new insult! " Are you incapable of rational thought." xD
@SchwarzundWeis
12 жыл бұрын
what episode is this???
@Telstar62a
12 жыл бұрын
There's a longer version of the rule which would cut down the number: "I before e except after c, or when sounded like "a" as in "neighbor" or "weigh"
@vonteflon
12 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic put-down: "Are you incapable of rational thought!?!?"
@SanderBobeldijk
10 жыл бұрын
Or: "Milk gone off big time stylee"
@MyUsername156
12 жыл бұрын
Yes, I am aware of that..
@slightlyinsaneFTW
12 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I guess. I'm originally Canadian, so it tends to be wee-ird, but I live nearish Liverpool, so I know what you mean.
@TheSunshinePrincess1
11 жыл бұрын
QI!
@kingda117
10 жыл бұрын
He's an antique clock specialist. A wind up merchant of the first class :)
@kokoshneta
11 жыл бұрын
This is a guess, but I would almost be willing to bet that the majority of words with ‘cie’ are inflected forms of words ending in ‘-cy’ (‘currencies’, ‘fancies’, ‘juicier’); or words with other pronunciations (‘ancient’, ‘efficient’, ‘science’, ‘society’). Onelook’s online reverse dictionary gives only 212 words with ‘-cie-’ in them; out of these, only FOUR do not fit either of these two criteria, and they’re all names: Marcie, Lucie, Francie, and Muncie (a city name).
@ADEXL
12 жыл бұрын
Blimey, I love Lee Mack.
@Dilandau3000
10 жыл бұрын
I before E, except after C, or when sounding like "ay", like in "neighbor" or "weigh", and on weekends, and holidays, and all throughout may, and you'll always be wrong no matter what you say!
@kitsunenoroi
10 жыл бұрын
I quoted this to a girl who thought the earth was 2,013 years old.
@gammelhund
10 жыл бұрын
Because according to the rule it's supposed to be caffiene (i before e), but it isn't. And in case you're confused because caffeine has a c in it: the rule only applies to C's directly followed by i/e.
@HolyTurtleOfDoom
12 жыл бұрын
Most people have never heard of the second half.
@PyriteDragn
12 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking that it would definitely reduce the gap. But with the statement of there being 923 words with "cie" (eg, species) none of these are likely to have an "AY" sound, so I don't think it would skew it enough to make the rule the majority.
@wellert7481
9 жыл бұрын
I've had poems published.
@AngelaAkiFAN
10 жыл бұрын
Lee Mack's reaction is pretty much how I react to everything in my English class...
@rebelliousbynature99
11 жыл бұрын
The rule is "I before E except after C or when sounded like A as in neighbor and weigh."
@ObjectsInMotion
12 жыл бұрын
"I" before "E" except after "C" OR when sounding like "AY" as in "Neighbor" and "Weigh" BUT it doesn't end there, there's more to be feared, When words have two vowel sounds like "Glacier" and "Weird". AND hold on there's one more Exception, Just count on Foreign words to increase Deception. And yet this rule still doesn't apply, So don't let "Species" and "Caffeine" lead you awry. There, that should clear things up.
@EcstaticDances
10 жыл бұрын
I misheard and thought the reason for the rule being wrong was something to do with Wordsworth's poetry...!
@DeadMeatGF
12 жыл бұрын
It has exceptions, but nowhere near as many if you use the short version.
@DeadMeatGF
12 жыл бұрын
The rule is actually "i before e, except after c, where the sound is 'ee'"
@GlennPaulWills
12 жыл бұрын
@KapStuf What a febrifacient! I'm taxed and running a temp after reading all those sexy and picein words. Most of them will likely stick, un-reactive, to my mind. Thank you KapStuf.
@FreekinEkin2
12 жыл бұрын
You win again gravity..
@Haiderspider123
12 жыл бұрын
ceiling! CEILING
@zuzusimp99
11 жыл бұрын
Leitrim in Ireland is one
@Peleski
11 жыл бұрын
I agree! Recent loan words don't count.
@ApesAmongUs
12 жыл бұрын
In trying to disprove i before e except after c, he spends quite a bit of time instead disproving e before i always after c.
@aaronfawcett9911
10 жыл бұрын
In Australia we get taught I before E except after C when 'ie' says 'ee' (like the sound in bee) Is this rule broken?
@K31R616
10 жыл бұрын
And even fewer can pass patronization while simultaneously stepping outside the bounds of context that my comment was placed in. But your statement stands correct. They do not apply to me, these rules.
@Skadoosh417
12 жыл бұрын
"Are you incapable of rational thought?!" I'm gonna use that sometime
@aaronfawcett9911
10 жыл бұрын
That would be an example of the rule holding up...
@shmeepie
12 жыл бұрын
Yeah (and, I realised today, 'seize'), to which I can only really reply with a shrug, and a 'lol, English is crazy, what can you do?'. I guess there are always exceptions to any rule. I personally wouldn't count 'weird' though, because to me that's two syllables, but it would depend on your dialect of English.
@vatnidd
11 жыл бұрын
That rule is actually mentioned in a Cantonese song :D
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