The young actor Tom Sturridge who portrays Henry VI is just about spot on in this scene. The real Henry VI was unfortunately weak in many regards and never truly had power except that which was given by those who sought to control him and his kingdom. From the little I read about him, he would later be consumed by paranoia and become senile to the point that his mental state would be called into question.
@rickshawwheelchair
11 күн бұрын
Does that sound like our current resident Biden of the USA? I think it's exactly what's happened the last 3 and a half years!
@lininrabbit
7 жыл бұрын
lol, I'm an Asian, if a white guy try to play one of our emperor in a serious play I would probably find it ridiculous. *Imagine 100 years later, a white guy plays Obama.
@kcmiles9832
6 жыл бұрын
chococo Chen exactly. Great point!
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
Chococo Chen. But all over the world Shakespeare plays are converted into different settings and different cultures and times. That's the nature of Shakespeare and drama. It's universal in scope and nature. That's why it's still relevant today when other plays from his time are forgotten.
@ALFREDOPOKEMON
6 жыл бұрын
Or a White mandela?
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
Fred C. It depends on whether the race of the person is crucial to the story. Shakespeare makes points about power in his plays that are relevant beyond his time. His plays are not pure history. They're not totally accurate as history. He changed things for dramatic effect and to please the regime of his time. Modern dramatists do the same with Shakespeare's plays to make them more relevant to a modern audience.
@TomKaulitz4ever007
6 жыл бұрын
Helen Trope But those plays are done in different countries with different ethnicities. How the hell can they even be accurate? This was made to look accurate, but they just decided to change one single person's ethnicity and that is ridiculous.
@-John-Doe-
6 жыл бұрын
I mean, Leonardo DiCaprio is just such a great actor, he's definitely the best person to portray Martin Luther King
@crawfish70510
5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂love it
@BeggarsNight
3 жыл бұрын
Ahh, you smoothbrains. Making such ludicrously false equivalencies because you just have no concept of how racial issues work, nor their context, nor the function of theater. An American white man portraying MLK, an American black man who dedicated his life to fighting for civil rights for black Americans. If the potential issues with that escape you, I guess you don’t have any concept of America’s racial history. One which MLK himself was directly involved in. Even if the white actor weren’t American, I assume you’re smart enough to understand why a white actor playing a black man fighting for black civil rights might offend black Americans. If you can’t fathom that...think long and hard. Now. Let’s talk about these plays. Shakespeare in particular. These plays are repeated through countless productions, and will continue to be performed indefinitely. And race is not a topic in them (Othello being an exception, but I’ll get to that). Now, what precisely is so problematic about a black actor playing the role of a white English noble that puts it equivalent to a white person playing MLK? Nothing. Because the play has nothing to do with topical issues of race like anything concerning MLK would. And as it is a play that is repeatedly performed, one production with a single black actress isn’t robbing you of your precious all-white criteria. You still have many to choose from. So stop bitching, yea? Your whiteness, nor any issues of race, isn’t compromised by any part of this play. Race is only an issue in this case because you’re focusing on the skin color of the actors, rather than their performances, *which is what shakespeare and theater in general is all about* ! Because your lack of understanding of racial issues makes you make dumbass comparisons like this. Now, Othello. Othello has been played by Patrick Stewart, and a long line of white actors before him, some in blackface. It was generally accepted (blackface notwithstanding) because again, it’s a Shakespeare play. Historical accuracy is not the point, the performances are. Having a white person play MLK, play or not, within 60 years of his death, when black Americans still face the racism he fought, will obviously be a problem. Having a black actress play an English noble over 500 years dead, in a play written and embellished by someone who wasn’t even there to a point bordering on fiction for entertainment purposes, and which is entirely unconcerned with race or any current events, matters so little that it’s only when racist morons like you start bitching using the most idiotic, desperate arguments possible that it becomes an issue at all. And only then it’s only an issue because you have to be educated on the most basic of racial dynamics in order to shut you up.
@H3nry488
3 жыл бұрын
@@BeggarsNight What a load of crap. Both blackwashing and whitewashing is offensive.
@patriciagriffith7402
3 жыл бұрын
They had black nobility in Europe
@-John-Doe-
3 жыл бұрын
@@patriciagriffith7402 oh you mean they were kings and shit? Wow we’ve never heard that before.
@arthurbriand2175
3 жыл бұрын
I love every scene in this play where Margaret rolls a 20 on manipulation and Sommerset is both impressed and terrified by what he has brought to court.
@seraphik
2 жыл бұрын
she TOTALLY rolled a 20 on manip, man. i love how imperious and subtly smug she looks 0.1 seconds before slapping the shit out of the Duchess of Gloucester -- because she knows she's got her. and then 2 seconds later, after the Duchess flips on her, she looks so horrified and affronted as if SHE'S the wronged party. nnggghh SO GOOD i wanna watch this whole thing now.
@JacobMinger
Жыл бұрын
She was cerci Lannister before cerci Lannister (quite literally I think since Game of Thrones was apparently heavily inspired by the Wars of the Roses)
@JacobMinger
Жыл бұрын
@@seraphik both episodes of Henry VI in the Hollow Crown we’re very good, and I highly recommend them.
@hinahinananoha7783
4 жыл бұрын
Cersei's character was inspired by Margaret of Anjou, and one can see why:)
@ajvanmarle
3 жыл бұрын
Well, Margaret of Anjou had a brain. I never noticed Cersei's.
@Brandonhayhew
2 жыл бұрын
Cersei has ruthless and scheming, power hungry but not cunning
@gerardcollins80
2 жыл бұрын
@@ajvanmarle She was cunning but like Cersei she was not a good ruler.
@DinoFancellu
8 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to Ron Weasley to play the life of Nelson Mandela.
@nicktelecast
6 жыл бұрын
Gross.
@sabcam2000
6 жыл бұрын
She's half white. Half black people play black people all the time. She passes for white to me *Shrugs*
@nicktelecast
6 жыл бұрын
I want to clarify that I calling this comment gross, not the actress.
@lf1496
6 жыл бұрын
Dino Fancellu Just watch Gods of Egypt with a Swedish cast, that's the biggest laugh, pink white people as African gods. You people have no shame, crying like you lost your best friend because the sista is doing what you have done since the beginning of film.You play Indians, Chinese people, black people Puerto Ricans and have no problem with it.. At least Queen Charlotte was black and there had been a black Queen of England in history (although not Queen Margaret). Can't say the same is true on the throne of Egypt and in their pantheon of Gods. Last I checked no pink white faces there.But hell that never stops you from lying lol!
@tweT4me2708
6 жыл бұрын
It is almost as entertaining as Elizabeth Taylor playing Cleopatra, Charlton Heston as Moses, or Yule Brynner as the King of Siam.
@yasminchoudhury2537
8 жыл бұрын
Sophie Okenedo is an outstanding actress and she absolutely kills it as Queen Margaret. It's sad that some on here can only see the colour of her skin and nothing else.
@yasminchoudhury2537
8 жыл бұрын
+Duncan Sands It's a play and plays often require us to use our imagination. When this play was written Margaret would've have been played by a young man and I'm sure the original audience didn't have as big a problem with this as some people on here seem to have with the colour of Sophie's skin. This isn't a play about race (as far as I know the war between Yorks and Lancasters wasn't about skin colour) so I feel that your example of a white man playing Malcolm X doesn't really work here although I notice you seem quite keen on using him as an example....
@yasminchoudhury2537
8 жыл бұрын
+Duncan Sands Oooh have I upset you? Context you say? What about a Northern Irish actor playing Richard Plantagenet. He didn't disguise his accent, no comments about that though. Ah, but he's white though so it's all good. And I seriously doubt that about the BNP marches, although it does depend which side you were on........
@yasminchoudhury2537
8 жыл бұрын
+Duncan Sands LOL! I really have touched a nerve with you haven't I? I fully accept that you've conceded to me though...... :)
@yasminchoudhury2537
8 жыл бұрын
+Arthel Cargill Agree with what though?
@yasminchoudhury2537
8 жыл бұрын
+Arthel Cargill I get the point about Zoe Saldana and I agree with you but I don't believe that Shakespeare mentions the colour of Queen Margaret's skin anywhere in his plays.
@AbrahamLincoln4
4 жыл бұрын
Denzel Washington would be great playing Abraham Lincoln.
@TheMurtukov
4 жыл бұрын
... and freeing white people from slavery
@kevinmccartney648
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMurtukov with Quentin Tarantino directing
@megabazus1775
3 жыл бұрын
Don't jinx it...
@Zaramakeupartist
4 жыл бұрын
But Sally Hawkins' acting in this scene needs more recognition
@Stephen_Lalrinawma
4 жыл бұрын
Isn't she the fish banger.
@HomoChomsky
3 жыл бұрын
People are too busy appealing to white supremacy to recognize how great she is in this scene.
@historicamenteindependient5778
3 жыл бұрын
@@HomoChomsky Black supremacy is real
@stealthsoldier4400
3 жыл бұрын
@@historicamenteindependient5778 no it’s not smh
@kimberlyredcloud534
Жыл бұрын
Omg love this scene!!
@AnzuBrief
6 жыл бұрын
Why aren't people complaining that Margaret wasn't a black woman? Everytime I watch a clip about Cleopatra there are hundreds of comments complaining because she is depicted as a white woman (even though she was greek, so yes, white)... I guess whitebashing is politcally correct... black bashing is not.
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
There are hundreds of complaining comments here. Are you too lazy to read them?
@popev3887
6 жыл бұрын
Your comment is spot on correct Rebecca.
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
Smash Mouth. You are another one who hasn't read the hundreds of whinging comments here about the casting
@therealgodessisis
4 жыл бұрын
You are whining
@ElberethOhGilthoniel
4 жыл бұрын
Uhm,this is awkward but last time I checked,Greeks were white.
@Lydgate83
8 жыл бұрын
Queen Margaret never spoke in iambic pentameters! This kind of historical inaccuracy is not only wrong by all standards, but it is also simply disrespectful of English history!
@gidzmobug2323
6 жыл бұрын
Lydgate83 They used Shakespeare's script from Henry VI. Looks like they left out some of the Duchess' speech in this one.
@writerchick94
6 жыл бұрын
...its a joke because people are flipping out about Queen Margaret being black
@philipfranklin8273
6 жыл бұрын
Lydgate83 english history is full of germans and black nobility
@philipfranklin8273
6 жыл бұрын
Christine A even the royals are german decent and have black blood flowing in there vains queen Charlotte was a black women she was one of the queens of England
@gidzmobug2323
6 жыл бұрын
Philip Franklin I do not know about black nobility. But the present Royal Family has a partially German background.
@lindasturm699
6 жыл бұрын
The casting of a black woman to play a lily white historical figure is utterly ridiculous even if it is a play, just like it would be insane to have a white woman playing Harriet Tubmam or another historical black person.
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
Many comments about the casting, almost none about the play, from people who've not watched the whole play I suspect. In some castings, like that of Harriet Tubman, the race of the character is important to the drama but it's not crucial in this play for Margaret. She was regarded as a foreigner anyway as she was French but it's not crucial that she be played by a French woman.
@EvilBakaCat
6 жыл бұрын
consider offing yourself Helen, you're a mindless social justice warrior.
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
Evil etc. What do you mean "offing" and who are you to tell me what to do?
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
Evil etc. I've just looked up "offing" in the urban dictionary. It refers to suicide. I've now reported you for cyber bullying. Have a nice day.
@EvilBakaCat
6 жыл бұрын
you're defending black washing, if you did it the other way around the social justice brigade would do more then call you names online.
@MessiahComing
7 жыл бұрын
You people are outraged when an Egyptian whose skin is "too white" plays an Egyptian, but it's perfectly acceptable for a black woman to play a white woman because it's a character in a play, even though the "character" was a real person. Don't make me laugh. Your hypocrisy is palpable.
@MessiahComing
7 жыл бұрын
@vanessa mziray "Hurr durr, we wuz English nobility. You don't make sense!" That's you.
@kcmiles9832
6 жыл бұрын
Shakespeare said Margaret was young, fair maiden but Okonedo is 47 years old and not fair skinned. Its historically inaccurate.
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
KC Miles.One historical description I read about Margaret was that her skin was quite tanned. She came from the South of France where it's hot. Also Okonedo does not look her age. She looks much younger.
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
OctoV70. Don't watch it then, if you don't like it. Your dramatic "suspension of disbelief" isn't working. Juliet in Romeo and Juliet is usually played by someone much older than 13 years but people don't usually complain.
@gustavadolf3874
6 жыл бұрын
People don't complain about it because it's not politically motivated. Also tanned skin doesn't mean african ancestry.
@winesalot6876
5 жыл бұрын
The comment section makes my troll heart cry tears of joy. Can we get a Mexican man (with a heavy accent) to play King Henry VIII? And for the love of God, please make all the wives Asian.
@heliotropezzz333
5 жыл бұрын
Queen Margaret was seen as a foreigner in England. Though she was French, Sophie Okonedo's background acts as a metaphor for that sense of difference.
@jacktrevino1108
4 жыл бұрын
@@heliotropezzz333 Riiiight, ;^)
@heliotropezzz333
4 жыл бұрын
@@jacktrevino1108 Any relation to Lee?
@tlotpwist3417
4 жыл бұрын
Or Richard III "Un caballo! My kingdom por un CABALLO!"
@heliotropezzz333
4 жыл бұрын
@@tlotpwist3417 Do you mean Richard III?
@TheCaliMack
7 жыл бұрын
I'm confused. Queen Margaret went from confident to running away crying. What did the Ducchess say that affected her so? It was a complete 180 for me.
@nutmeg1029
6 жыл бұрын
TheCaliMack shame for slapping her maybe
@gidzmobug2323
6 жыл бұрын
TheCaliMack Upset because the King did not defend his wife against the Duchess.
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
The Duchess threatened her with revenge at the end but the Queen is very hard and devious. I think the tears weren't real but just part of playing the victim to justify whatever happens to the Duchess afterwards.
@gidzmobug2323
6 жыл бұрын
Helen Trope The Queen and Duchess did not get on well. By this time, the court was divided: some for Gloucester, some for the Queen. The conflict would eventually result in a battle for the throne.
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
Katherine Koelker. I don't think this particular conflict between the women results in the battle for the throne, because this incident is between Lancastrians, whereas the battle for the throne was between Yorkists and Lancastrians. The Duchess of Gloucester gets accused of witchcraft and is imprisoned or exiled for that. Gloucester is imprisoned and murdered. Sorry for the spoilers.
@keithrickson8522
5 жыл бұрын
Next up, the life of Obama played by Richard Spencer
@user-ys4qr2su5p
4 жыл бұрын
OR RICHARD GERE
@damarh
3 жыл бұрын
that's racist and very insensitive towards people of hawaaian and kenyann descent.
@keithrickson8522
3 жыл бұрын
@@damarh yeah it would be wouldn't it. 😂
@MorningGI0ry
6 жыл бұрын
In the BBC’s next WW2 movie I demand that Hitler be portrayed as a proud black lesbian
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
or perhaps he could be played by an Etonian Gamer.
@caryinsheppard8003
3 жыл бұрын
🤣😂Damn u guys! Now im imagining it...NOOOOOOOO!🤣😭
@alexissimpson5819
3 жыл бұрын
She’s half-white
@janebeatty9472
7 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@Mel1lvar
7 жыл бұрын
I do question what would happen if you cast a white woman as Storm from the x-men or a white man as Othello. this is just forced diversity to the detriment of historical accuracy. People went batshit crazy when that horrible film gods of Egypt used white people to portray ancient Egyptians yet when a black woman plays an historical English queen we're told to pipe down because of political correctness.
@samylynch5185
6 жыл бұрын
Mel1lvar I agree they also use European looking biracial to play Storm a bad repretion of dark skin black women
@godessmaat9227
6 жыл бұрын
Mel1lvar i wonder what would happen if they cast jesus as a white man. Ohh they do.
@spsayian2
4 жыл бұрын
Mel1lvar. Othello has been played by white people in black face before black players were allowed to play in the theater. So what’s your offense?
@fanzero1280
4 жыл бұрын
of course shut up
@blackmomba9368
4 жыл бұрын
Cleopatra? Elizabeth Taylor? Really?! An Egyptian? We do know where Egypt is located right? Ricardo Montalban played a Native American in Westerns. Please, don’t get me started.
@user-ox7hz2mf1s
8 ай бұрын
If I don’t see Benedict Cumbatch as Shaka Zulu soon I’ll be fuming
@umurtagh0083
4 жыл бұрын
Margaret is very tanned in this, must have been a heatwave in England that year.
@historicamenteindependient5778
3 жыл бұрын
But she was white
@B_B463
3 жыл бұрын
@@historicamenteindependient5778 mister obvious
@mayatcontreras
7 жыл бұрын
For everyone making racist comments, I want to remind you that while you all are hating from your parents' basement, that brilliant actress is getting paid to perform on the BBC and her star is ascending, as you waste your own time and life with hate and vitriol.
@hennessyblues4576
7 жыл бұрын
So you wont have a problem if Nelson Mandela were to be played Hugh Jackman.
@hennessyblues4576
7 жыл бұрын
Lechiffresix six But that doesn't matter, we have to have cultural enrichment in those characters.
@PHlophe
7 жыл бұрын
Hennessy Blues oh no, language is the primary requirement ( communication is key ). Find me that fine british actor who is very well versed in Xhosa then we'll talk.otherwise he'll only bring his skin tone as an asset. you see sophie is a thespian and she brought sharp languistic skills. and guess what she is a jew also ( that part you hate the most )
@hennessyblues4576
7 жыл бұрын
Lechiffresix six There are language classes actors can take. I'm sure that will help.
@hennessyblues4576
7 жыл бұрын
Lechiffresix six *he'll only bring his skin tone as an asset.* You say. Wow, that sounds just like affirmative action.
@Solqueen86
3 жыл бұрын
To be fair when you Queen tells you to do something and you act bold you should expect that slap
@ajvanmarle
3 жыл бұрын
Not if the Queen has any sense. This is an insult that by the standards of the time could never be forgiven. Even royalty was not above tradition and the last thing the king needed was to alienate nobility like this.
@janebeatty9472
7 ай бұрын
@@ajvanmarleUm…When the Queen held her Ladies back and looked at the Duchess to pick up her fan, that was a Royal Command. The Duchess steps forward and looks at the Queen. The Queen asks, “Can ye not?” Wanting to know if she is physically unable to bend down. The Duchess looks defiantly at the Queen in a microsecond and then the slap comes. What the Duchess has done is defy a Royal order and has made it known she is an enemy of the Queen. The Queen quickly turns tables to become the hurt party. Brilliant politics here!
@jjeanniton
4 ай бұрын
2:04 - the queen slaps the peeress
@maryjones9295
7 жыл бұрын
Damnnn she smack the living day lights out . 👀
@justforfun4394
3 жыл бұрын
Historical inaccuracy aside, this is not even Shakespeare's portrait of Margaret. Crappy job from script writer.
@thedifferenttraveller5684
3 жыл бұрын
The establishment aims to rewrite history in order to propagate the lie that Europe was multicultural.
@alexissimpson5819
3 жыл бұрын
@@thedifferenttraveller5684 She’s half-white
@silviabohemica7532
3 жыл бұрын
@@alexissimpson5819 again, no. Half nigerian and half ashkenazi jewish
@rc59191
3 жыл бұрын
@@alexissimpson5819 no amount of copying and pasting that ridiculous comment is gonna make it better you braindead sheep.
@ShadowSonic2
2 жыл бұрын
@@thedifferenttraveller5684 It was, go cry to Boris Johnson.
@logancox6548
7 жыл бұрын
All these people complaining about the black actress playing Queen Margaret. Where were they when Jim Caviezel played Jesus Christ, when Charlton Heston played Moses, or when John Wayne played Genghis freaking Khan?
@crums0nMyJ4cket
7 жыл бұрын
Yea that was fucked up.. I guess we just need to rely on people knowing their history. The saviour of man born in the Middle East couldn't possibly be white. BUT, this has been f&@c!ed with for millennia so white man would identify with the figure head of a foreign religion that was usurping their native faiths in order to control Europe, and to this day that was never amended in the minds of most white people. Genghis Khan couldn't be mistaken as a white man though as he's regularly taught about it schools. But, Henry VI? And even more questionable his wife? Personally, I was never taught about the English monarchy in the Australian public schools I attended (I taught myself about this stuff long after I finished school). This could definitely be taken out of context and fool the less equipped.
@Mel1lvar
7 жыл бұрын
To Charlton Heston and John Wayne the answer is simple; Bankability. Name me a famous, bankable asian actor from 1956 who could have played Genghis, name me a famous bankable actor from 1956 who looks like they could be from the Levant? Thankfully today there are actors of all ethnicities to play these parts but at the time Hollywood was still lily white. Also lets face it; white actors have played Jewish and Jewish has played white for decades and no-one bats an eyelid. This isn't 1956, the BBC made a concious choice to cast a black actress for a white role.
@tatifenty8139
7 жыл бұрын
Tell them.
@88kjk75
7 жыл бұрын
Logan Cox, I acctualy agree, it is stupid that Semitic characters from the Bible were played by White European actors, as it is stupid that a black woman should be playing a medieval French woman.
@88kjk75
7 жыл бұрын
De fff look at my long post below, in wich I have explained my viewpoint. Yes ofcourse I am equally opposed, my problem is also that criticising black actors playing non-black characters will be carachterised as racist, whilst that is not the case with white actors playing non-whites, wich is good becouse such things should always be called out, but people (and it's ussualy not black people, but mostly guilt-ridden Whites) seem to be annoyed when people are against black playing non-blacks. So I think they are the acctual hypocrites. Furthermore I have a enormous problem with the ''diversity quota'' concept, the sad fact that miss Okonedo was cast as the Queen simply to spice things up and start these kinds of conflicts, she was, I am convinced, becouse I know how modern producers function. And that is so inherently racist towards non-Whites, becouse these idiots assume that black people are so one-dimensional that they will acctualy feel better if they see one of their own on the stage or in the film, eventough it is in a role no one would rationally put them in, the absurd idea that people of colour acctualy spend time thinking about these things and wishing them, this patronizing idea that blacks and/or other minorities in White countries are so sensitive that God forbbid these sorts of things wouldn't happen and God forbbid even more that someone would think of criticising them. It is simple when people, no matter if they are White or Black or Asian, go and see a movie about medieval England they don't expect to see people other than Whites appearing on screen, when they go to see a historical movie set in medieval China, they expect to only see Asians there and ofc if they are going to see a movie set in old Africa they only expect to see Blacks in it.
@doc.m.d.8870
7 жыл бұрын
Sophie Okonedo is SUCH a fantastic actress.
@campbelltrigg1109
6 жыл бұрын
Why can’t everyone recognize that, when portraying a historical figure, it’s imperative to cast an actor that actually looks like the figure in question. History is my favorite subject so it really pains me to see it butchered like this. Can’t wait to see a movie with black samurai and kamikaze pilots flying around.
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
So do they have to go to Anjou and find someone who looks like a typical Anjou woman?
@stormbringer2840
4 жыл бұрын
@@heliotropezzz333 A typical anjou woman can be fair to tan skinned with either red hair , blond hair or black hair . By the way she is literally called the white queen with 0 african blood , Im pretty sure it is quite wrong .
@heliotropezzz333
4 жыл бұрын
Shakespeare was never about historical accuracy but about stories and drama which have universal themes, so his plays are often produced in modern times in different eras and settings with different types of cast. Those who criticise this casting are not real fans of Shakespeare I think and don't watch his plays much.
@BalkanMode
4 жыл бұрын
Helen Trope There is political agenda behind casting of this role. It is the agenda of the same interest group which arranged the Harry - Meghan marriage. Remember “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.”
@heliotropezzz333
4 жыл бұрын
@@BalkanMode Oh lighten up and join the 21st century. I'm sure they said that the first time women were allowed on stage. Shakespeare had to use men dressed as women of course.
@themacbethproject8525
4 жыл бұрын
Sophie Okonedo is an amazing talent. What a flawless scene capturing so many levels and elements of this story in such a short moment. What a smart way to show how we envision the "other".
@jmiller05
7 жыл бұрын
'What minion- can ye not?' The shade.
@solomeyashiukashvili7113
7 жыл бұрын
So if there will be white Martin Luther King represented by Anthony Hopkins it'll be OK? Since actors talent is the most important thing and his appearence and visual similarity with the character is irrelevant? Or it only works one way?..
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
If it's the kind of thing where historical accuracy is important, but Shakespeare always played around with history. It's drama not historical fact. Shakespeare plays have been set in a variety of times with a variety of actors. There have been all male players and all female players and a Macbeth set in Nazi times etc etc
@CENTURION.CARPATIC
6 жыл бұрын
All movies are fictional. None is historical. Only documentaries are historical. That being said even in fictional work the characters must be believable. This isn't. It's just a political... joke.
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
Centurion. It's certainly not a joke. It's a good performance and you forget about the casting if you watch the whole thing and get involved with it. Also the character she's playing was regarded with suspicion and dislike, being a foreigner (French). Though Sophie isn't French her casting acts as a good metaphor for people perceiving her different background at the time
@rugr82day
6 жыл бұрын
It would be controversial and there will always be someone offended and willing to protest but on something like that I would not care because it was an actor like Anthony Hopkin. Just don't put him in dark make up and/or a curly wig and I'm fine with it. That's what happened for years to rolls for blacks, asians, Native American and Mexican characters. It would just be white actors made up to look like other races. The Wayne brothers could never make White Chicks now a days. I don't know why white people did not protest that movie at the time.
@briizhub8052
6 жыл бұрын
Solomeya Shiukashvili what about all the years whites have played the roles of people of color? This is basically what this has looked like to us for years ! See how you don’t like it ? How do you think we felt all those years with black and yellow face being the most common?
@DanishNerdess
8 жыл бұрын
This is a play - a work of fiction. Even though it's based on true events, it really has no bearing weather the actors particularly look like the real life people their characters are based on. It's a story of Britain then told by Britain now. She was the actor they felt best suited what they wanted from this role, and frankly I think she knocks it out of the park!
@DanishNerdess
8 жыл бұрын
+Cheekypop white people don't have a history of being prejudiced and discriminated against, nor are we in any way underrepresented in the media, unlike people of colour. It's not the same thing. Also, what is so wrong with striving for diversity?
@connord9164
8 жыл бұрын
+Danish Nerdess Go campaign for diversity in Bollywood and Japan. No? Diversity just means less white people.
@WinterAffair
8 жыл бұрын
+Connor D your comment is idiotic because you're comparing diversity in Britain and the U.S. to India and Japan, ignoring the fact that the latter two are largely homogenous just because it doesn't fit into your narrative of attempting to portray white actors as victims. Now, if you were to compare how Japan treats Koreans and Chinese immigrants to how America treats it's immigrants of color then you're on to something. But you're still comparing apples and oranges.
@manzilla48
8 жыл бұрын
+Danish Nerdess that's irrelevant, either characters should be authentic to their race or they shouldn't be. Not one rule for one group and another rule for another.
@connord9164
8 жыл бұрын
WinterAffair Non whites should have never been allowed to settle in our homogeneous country.
@OgrabliatorKorovanov
3 жыл бұрын
I thought Margaret of Anjou was from France not from Mauritania
@Chaibiskut19
6 жыл бұрын
Sophie okonedo is a beast. This woman can act the pants off of every A list Hollywooder hands down. Too bad she doesn't get much work, but she is still one of my favorite actresses. her portrayals come so deep from her being and gut that I just can't ignore her.
@historicamenteindependient5778
3 жыл бұрын
But Margaret was WHITE and French
@deehuckleberry3999
3 жыл бұрын
So what? If Olivier can play Othello, Okonedo can play Margaret. Does not matter who the actor is, as long as the character comes to vivid life.
@wbheightfive6760
2 жыл бұрын
@@deehuckleberry3999 two wrongs don't make a right It was stupid then and it's stupid now.
@ezananigussie3311
Жыл бұрын
@@wbheightfive6760holy shit who cares
@kasibabi6901
5 жыл бұрын
Umm Margaret of Anjou wasn't black in the least bit
@stormbringer2840
4 жыл бұрын
She is literally nicknamed the white queen for god's sake !
@stormbringer2840
4 жыл бұрын
@@scinformation7229 yeah i mixed them together ( elizabeth and margareth ), doesn't change the fact that she was white and blond in all her depictions .
@sunny-bl6cy
4 жыл бұрын
Who cares it’s a show/movie
@MoamadTrashman
4 жыл бұрын
@jay bell she was a related to Ptolemy, one of great Alexander's generals and first Greek king of Egypt. Do you even know history?
@Johnnybravo..
3 жыл бұрын
@@stormbringer2840 No she wasn't. Elisabeth Woodville was known as "the White Queen".
@xdguy2569
5 жыл бұрын
Why can't we celebrate African history more instead of trying to make them part of European history?
@BalkanMode
4 жыл бұрын
Mank Demes If we did that we’d need to watch a lot of meat, skin, and possibly genitals as part of the “diverse” African history. By the time Europeans arrived there was not even a two story house in Africa.
@GitanAnimex
4 жыл бұрын
so all the black actors need to go to africa to work?? and hten the african actors are gonna say why cna they celebrate african actors potraying african hisotry instead of foreing actors
@sarahjuarez1433
4 жыл бұрын
If you like it or not. They are apart of European History. George the 3rd of England wife for example had African blood in her.
@sarahjuarez1433
4 жыл бұрын
And I dont see a problem. With a black actress, playing the part. Of a European French white Queen of England.
@jacktrevino1108
4 жыл бұрын
@@sarahjuarez1433 Lol, is this satire?
@emmapeel7283
2 жыл бұрын
What is that?!Please what?!That can’t be the English History!
@stefanciocan1605
Жыл бұрын
Wakanda forever lol😂😂😂😂
@escarlata2310
7 жыл бұрын
a black Margaret of Anjou?? what is the next? an asian Henry the VIII???
@kcmiles9832
6 жыл бұрын
noti tuz its disgusting!
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
noti tuz Or a Japanese Macbeth (see Throne of Blood) Or an American or English Hamlet or Romeo. Tut tut.
@Rome274
6 жыл бұрын
noti tuz Probably ..lol ..Or a black Henry ..
@lanav3466
6 жыл бұрын
I'm just gonna say it your being painfully racist look at the times people
@charlescortez3544
6 жыл бұрын
They shouldn't have hired her. Same goes for the Cleopatra shit, plus Cleo wasn't black or white, more like ancient Middle-East Arabs (Babylonian, Syrian, Any Asian minor)
@TreycEmery555
6 жыл бұрын
i like the way margaret slapped that woman, it was like "how dare u look at me peasant". i like watching the nobles get put in their place
@sharliegirl2
4 жыл бұрын
honestly, if this were meant to be a genuine historical replication i could see sense in complaining about queen margarets casting, but its not, this is essentially a stage play being made to tv viewing, and theatre, especially Shakespearean, has had a rather significant effort of not casting by the racial accuracy but the quality of the actor. seriously please get over yourselves, or if you wont then atleast stick to your guns and go protest the rsc for casting anyone non-white in Shakespeares historical plays! i mean bloody hell in their current production of king john king johns played by a woman, and queen elinor god forbid isnt even played by someone white! please people, get a life
@steveiam5762
4 жыл бұрын
When they stop crying about "whitewashing " then you have a point. Until then stop bitching
@Luanna801
4 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY. This is far from a literal recreation of history even if they'd cast 100% white actors.
@alexissimpson5819
3 жыл бұрын
@@steveiam5762 She’s half-white
@steveiam5762
3 жыл бұрын
@@alexissimpson5819 and? The left cries about whitewashing all the time
@alexissimpson5819
3 жыл бұрын
@@steveiam5762 I’m saying she’s not Black.
@natalie3860
7 жыл бұрын
Black Margaret of Anjou. Incredible. This absolutely insulting European history and our traditions.
@wonderbrat9042
7 жыл бұрын
Jedovatý Natis Nobody cares.
@Esseynelle
7 жыл бұрын
Jedovatý Natis yes it is insulting our ancestors (I am French myself)
@MaySins
6 жыл бұрын
+Esseynelle Having black actress to play a Shakespeare play is insulting? Does seeing black people offends you? Cause you need help.
@nataliegrey2165
6 жыл бұрын
seenorhear am black and i agree dont cast white people in black people roles and vice versa would you cast tom cuise as nelson mandela if a role has to do with a certain enithicity then dont do it it is historically correct
@homeworld1765
6 жыл бұрын
seenorhear Queen Margaret is not a fictional character. All though Shakespeare's historical drama plays are not necessarily historically accurate, the characters were real people. If we were to cast a black woman as Queen Margaret, how about we cast Hugh Jackman as Shaka Zulu or Kenneth Branagh as Nelson Mandela? Changing the race of a historical figure is absurd at best.
@janebeatty9472
6 жыл бұрын
Amazing scene. The Duchess’ expressions and the Queens as well were just incredible. “What minion? Can he not?” The Duchess pays for her insolence and disrespect.
@gidzmobug2323
Жыл бұрын
"Can ye not?". The Duchess refused to pick up the fan. Yet in time she would be caught up in something considered far worse.
@janebeatty9472
7 ай бұрын
Ah…but the Queen also knew who her enemies were in that moment. Great scene!
@mandeloo9404
7 жыл бұрын
Forget the color of her skin, that fake cry was the cringiest thing I've ever seen
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
Mande Loo You were meant to understand that it was fake. This is a powerful woman one minute, pretending to be the victim the next. This is a public demonstration, so that the downfall of the Gloucesters that follows from this scene is understood and accepted by the Court.
@AxenfonKlatismrek
6 жыл бұрын
but the fact that changed her skin color almost turned me into nazi
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
You're probably pretty well a nazi already then. Didn't you know? This is not site for comments from Shakespeare lovers, but for petty minded racists - judging by the comments anyway. Most wouldn't know Shakespeare if he bit them on the backside.
@AxenfonKlatismrek
6 жыл бұрын
you know what? Forget it what i said. But changing history because some members of certain ethnic group are lazy to study history pisses me off. by the way i have nothing against black people, asians, arabians but this thing cringe me.
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
I think it's about widening the audience for plays like this, not just in Britain but internationally (in the US for instance). It's played more as a drama than a strict history. If it was a history programme I'm sure they wouldn't be so flexible with the casting.
@foxdie49
5 жыл бұрын
I'm black and I have a question: Why is Queen Margaret black? That's racist in so many levels and for so many different ethnicities (mine included)
@heliotropezzz333
5 жыл бұрын
Why?
@foxdie49
5 жыл бұрын
For white people: Is a missrepresentation of the population and important characters of a particular historical period, and an exclusion from the casting process based on race and political agenda (textbook racism). For black people: Instead of giving us interesting, new black characters, true to our ethnic and cultural identity and heritage, we are stuck with having to play and see representation of white characters played by black people. Is condecending, patronizing and plain racist. The Shakespeare argument: Theatre and cinema are 2 very different artistic vehicles, where cinema is tide to a partiall or total representation of reality while theatre is not. Some good example of some tastefull film adaptations of Shakespeare's theatre work could be: Macbeth (2015): Conserving most of Shakespeare original dialog with a realistic attempt of depiction of Scotish people from that period. The Merchant of Venice (2004): Again conserving most of Shakespeare original dialog with a realistic attempt of depiction of Italian people from that period. Romeo + Juliet (1996): A radical transformation of the classic, set in a different place and time that justify a multiracial casting, while conserving most of Shakespeare original dialog. RAN (1985): A feudal Japan version of King Lear, Ran is an interesting take on Shakespeare work. retelling a classic tragedy with a completely different setting and culture. THIS is the best example as to why these modern SJWs BS does not know how to even make diversity and inclusion right. In RAN you DO NOT have an all Celtic cast with a Japanese king (which would be racist, stupid and tasteless, just like this representation of Queen Margaret), instead you have an all Japanese cast and a story set in feudal Japan, strongly showing the asian culture in a very respectfull way. This is genious filmaking and a milestone in how Shakespeare work can be acomodated to represent any culture and period, and still successfully explore human nature.
@heliotropezzz333
5 жыл бұрын
I disagree. It doesn 't necessarily mean the casting excluded any group. She was probably the best actress they auditioned and that's why she got the part. This isn't a film. It's a TV series of Shakespeare plays. Why is race the most important characteristic to be accurate about? Shakespeare plays can never be 100% because the original characters are dead and no single person will be exactly the same as the original no matter what their race. With Shakespeare plays, you have to use your imagination.
@thedifferenttraveller5684
3 жыл бұрын
@@heliotropezzz333 This is postmodern trash dressed masquerading as legitimate criticism.
@nativevirginian8344
8 ай бұрын
@@heliotropezzz333 Shakespeare did mess with historical accuracy, but I’m sorry. The Queen was a white woman.
@sif_2799
3 жыл бұрын
This might be a play, but if you know how our world works and if you know about history, it's just so ridiculous to have a black person play any of those characters like wtf how did she get from Africa to England and why does Henry look completely white when he should be mixed?
@ianvera4299
3 жыл бұрын
Triggered snowflake alert
@bogdan1213
3 жыл бұрын
@@ianvera4299 at the time there werent any blacks in england. only 40 years later the first blacks would arrive as servants of catherine.
@ianvera4299
3 жыл бұрын
@@bogdan1213 The moors have existed in Europe since the 8th century. But this is not a historical documentary, this a play written by someone who is clearly not a historian.
@bogdan1213
3 жыл бұрын
@@ianvera4299 yes they did. check out The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise
@averageanimefanboy9473
3 жыл бұрын
@@ianvera4299 Moor = Amazigh =/= black African. A Moor is a North-African looking like Zinedine Zidane...
@Geegtv
7 жыл бұрын
Lol! Woah! That was like a high noon quick draw in a western! Everybody was quiet and tense.
@BalkanMode
4 жыл бұрын
“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.”
@UTAU53Yui
6 жыл бұрын
historical inaccuracy aside, Sophie's acting is phenomenal
@justforfun4394
3 жыл бұрын
No
@H3nry488
3 жыл бұрын
It is. Too bad she is being used as a "statement", which in a way is very racist.
@alexissimpson5819
3 жыл бұрын
She’s half-white
@justforfun4394
2 жыл бұрын
@John Doe Yes
@GH-li3wj
2 жыл бұрын
I would prefer the Queen Margaret of Cashew instead...😆
@jazminmuro9692
2 жыл бұрын
Well, we all knew that the Duchess of Gloucester was once her husband's mistress and then his second wife. It shows that she was pretty cocky that her husband had divorced his first wife under the pretense that their first miscarriage was a sign that their marriage wasn't legal in the eyes of God and the church. She was a mistress already and grab her chance to be his legal wife and make their children legitimate. The way she disrespects the queen was not the smartest move there since they all realized too late how quickly Queen Margaret of Anjou isn't afraid to do the dirty work.
@alicg7759
8 жыл бұрын
very sad to read the comments about the colour of the actresses skin. This is not an actual representation of the facts it is a play, Shakespears plays have been shown round the world by so many different actors from so many different backgrounds, the person who plays the part is not as relevant as the part itself. The meaning of the play and the characters mean so much more than what their background is. Besides which all of this is irrelevant if you sant actual Shakesperian reresentation then it should be played with all male cast. But I suppose as long as he is white it would keep some people happy.... sad world, we need a Shakespear to write a play about that.
@Monkeyshouts
8 жыл бұрын
At the time of Shakespeare, women were barred from performing, and boys were used instead. Here, this is the other way around: whites can perform, and blacks are used instead. The postmodernists who sold you the joke that it was "tradition" are intellectual crooks.
@STLEO1
7 жыл бұрын
It shows with all the prob of the world today we still deal with this madness
@scarletgiry3958
7 жыл бұрын
Ali CG
@88kjk75
7 жыл бұрын
No they aren't. Imagine if I were to make a movie about the medieval African Sultanate of Mali, and cast a White actor/actress to play Mansa Musa, his wife or some other prominent Malian of the time, people would crucify me.
@TheSulefam
7 жыл бұрын
Ali CG I happen to support the choice of actress for queen Margaret. She may have been darker toned since she liked walking in her gardens and was queen militant I believe she may have been tanned
@utopia9194
2 жыл бұрын
Black Queen on Medieval England. 100% Historical.
@HomoChomsky
3 жыл бұрын
History nerds in these comments act like they know shit when they lack basic understanding of Shakespearean theater. THIS ISN'T A DIRECT ADAPTATION OF HISTORY, NONE OF SHAKESPEARE'S PLAYS WERE.
@RobsonCruz51
6 жыл бұрын
An impossible meeting. When Margaret of Valois arrived to England to marry the King, the Duchess of Gloucester was already arrested under the accusation of sorcery.
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
Shakespeare was never an accurate source of history. As a dramatist he was more interested in the drama of his stories.
@antoinemozart243
3 жыл бұрын
Margaret of Anjou, not Valois.
@AJBell-dh6ry
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm gonna pass on this one. One reason people like costume dramas, no Frankfurt School.
@jesseleeward2359
3 жыл бұрын
Black nobles? In the renaisssnce?
@rickalkhatib8201
6 жыл бұрын
Margaret was the original Stunt Queen haha. Slapping her, but then wailing and running out XD
@historicamenteindependient5778
3 жыл бұрын
And she was WHITE
@LoganSewell83
7 жыл бұрын
I am looking in the wrong direction. I came to the BBC to see Shakespeare, not social engineering.
@Esseynelle
7 жыл бұрын
Kite Flying Pooh bbc hates whiteness.
@kcmiles9832
6 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Facts do not matter to BBC anymore.
@Nocturne22
6 жыл бұрын
The fact that the Doctor has only ever been a white guy has always been bizarre. He should be able to regenerate into a whole slew of races, genders, and appearances.
@achanwahn
6 жыл бұрын
Eh. Who cares? It's Shakespeare, not an actual documentary?
@cloudtea0
6 жыл бұрын
you guys are so racist and yet still try to deny hahaha!
@manzilla48
8 жыл бұрын
Historical characters should retain their original race
@DAngelo136
8 жыл бұрын
+manzilla48 So you won't have a problem if in the future Yeshua ("Jesus" isn't the correct pronunciation,either) is portrayed with the CORRECT skin color, right? www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a234/1282186/
@Fendertastic
8 жыл бұрын
+DAngelo136 not at all.
@Fendertastic
8 жыл бұрын
+DAngelo136 I doubt any of us complaining about this garbage would.
@DAngelo136
8 жыл бұрын
Alex S. So what's the "garbage" part? Should "Hamlet" be played by an actual Dane? Should we recruit an actual Italian to play "Julius Caesar"? An actual humpback for "Richard III"? Did you have a problem with Denzel Washington playing in "Much Ado About Nothing"? White people lack imagination; has it ever occurred to any of you that one could set "Porgy and Bess" with an all white cast? After all "Carmen Jones" is a cinematic classic. I'm quite sure fans of Bizet didn't have a problem. Did you object to Dorothy Dandridge in the title role? White people want to write the rules and then object when those same rules are applied to them. The point was the DRAMATIC moment not the color of the characters. By the way Sophie Okenedo is a distinguished British actress who trained at RADA so, if anything, she's quite qualified as an actress to play a Shakespearean role. Oh and her ancestry is not only Nigerian, but also Polish, Russian and Jewish. She also received an OBE in 2011. Beat that with a stick.
@manzilla48
8 жыл бұрын
+DAngelo136 Italian isn't a race not is Dane. Italians are white so any white actor can play them. Also the statement "whites lack imagination" is a racial generalisation and untrue.
@AverageAlien
Жыл бұрын
Wow yes, truly looks just like Queen Margaret, fantastic casting.
@en21b
Жыл бұрын
But heaven forbid you cast a white actor as a historically black or Asian person. Funny how that works.
@bertilliozephyrsgate6196
Жыл бұрын
@@en21b It has happened plenty enough.
@francoisdaureville323
Жыл бұрын
@@bertilliozephyrsgate6196 and its now comdemed and nob0dy likes that if the same standard must be applied to this
@idahoandude3284
4 жыл бұрын
And now..... steve buscemi as Malcolm X, co-starring Will Ferrell as Muhammad Ali and tom Hanks as MLK Jr.
@shawn6669
3 жыл бұрын
You can take the boy out of his racist, Idaho, trailer park but you can't....etc..
@nativevirginian8344
8 ай бұрын
@@shawn6669 But he’s right. It works both ways or doesn’t work at all….
@Eza_yuta
2 жыл бұрын
I am outside western countries bubble. But why Margaret of Anjou casted by a black woman?
@janebeatty9472
7 ай бұрын
She’s a very good Actor. Great scene!
@Enriiiiiii
6 ай бұрын
It’s Shakespeare company, they choose actors fit the role as depicting in the play. It’s Shakespeare afterall, not history
@philbecker4676
3 жыл бұрын
The only problem for me is that it just looks so bizarre having a black character in this context that it breaks the illusion before the illusion has even begun 🤣
@alexissimpson5819
3 жыл бұрын
She’s half-White, not Black.
@philbecker4676
3 жыл бұрын
@@alexissimpson5819... Way to be pedantic, but whatever, that breaks the illusion EVEN MORE 🤣 What mixed race royal marriages were there in the olden days?
@lesababy
7 жыл бұрын
For the last 400 years acting troops or companies of every race, creed and color have performed Shakespeare's plays and in every language on earth. Did you know that after the American Civil War newly freed slaves performed Shakespeare's plays in the streets of Boston and New York? Hamlet was performed in Japanese a few years ago with a cast that was all from Japan. It just goes to show you everyone loves Shakespeare!!!! You don't have to look like King John to play him. You don't have to skinny to play him and you don't have to be white to play him. You just have to love Shakespeare. I think that is what the producers are trying to say here. Shakespeare is for everyone!!!! So sorry some of you are so blind that you don't get that.
@nativevirginian8344
8 ай бұрын
So sorry you are so stupid not to realize that this is based on HISTORY. The queen was not black. Wishful thinking won’t make it so.
@karmasauce6288
7 ай бұрын
THIS!!!
@Satu-zs7gm
7 ай бұрын
@@karmasauce6288i wanna see white Harriet Tubman
@Satu-zs7gm
7 ай бұрын
interesting how they kept all them white except 1 blackwashed Queen 🙄 i didn't see asian, latino, indian, etc
@brandonbohr.7301
3 жыл бұрын
Queen Margaret WAS NOT BLACK !
@ianvera4299
3 жыл бұрын
This is SHAKESPEARE!
@alexissimpson5819
3 жыл бұрын
The actress isn’t Black.
@mikhailjoshuapahuyo1431
3 жыл бұрын
By the way she is half white
@emmapeel7283
2 жыл бұрын
Of course not!She is a European Woman!We European Women and Men too are 100%White Humans!!!
@emmapeel7283
2 жыл бұрын
@@alexissimpson5819 That is the same!That is black!
@pejr1982
11 ай бұрын
Sally Hawkins and Sophie Okondeo were both brilliant in this scene... wow the intensity!!
@lucillahassen1989
6 ай бұрын
No.
@BlackSheep87
7 жыл бұрын
I'm the bloody Queen mate, basically, I rule!
@BlackHayateTheThird
6 жыл бұрын
Oh yea, Doctor Who reference~
@anis6695
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah I was Like I just saw the episode (again 😂) and this is in my recommendation and then there's your comment with the reference of Doctor Who 😂 loving it
@alleynealisleem9777
3 жыл бұрын
If You're the Queen I'm The Princess!!!🤣😘🤗🤭💖💕
@Studentofgosset
7 жыл бұрын
It;s like they were having a competition of who could overact the most.
@alexandra-fu7oq
Жыл бұрын
And now Tom is playing Morpheus in The Sandman. Awesome actor 🔥
@englishweather9763
2 жыл бұрын
how can a Queen of medieval England be shown a a black woman.
@emmapeel7283
2 жыл бұрын
That is a very good Question!In that time today,I don’t want see a black Queen too!
@janebeatty9472
7 ай бұрын
A great Actor in a very good scene!
@Heru13938
15 күн бұрын
Moorish. 💯🩸⚔️
@astghikstar5896
3 жыл бұрын
So this means I have a chance to play Michelle Obama after 100 years in a movie
@ianvera4299
3 жыл бұрын
No but you can gladly play a racist right now since you meet the criteria.
@alexissimpson5819
3 жыл бұрын
The actress isn’t Black. She is mixed race. Do you you know the difference?
@H3nry488
3 жыл бұрын
Some consistency issues: 2:15 Queen in shock 2:18 Queen at ease 2:21 Queen in shock
@fuferito
3 жыл бұрын
She slapped her so hard she forgot sign language and got her voice back.
@cgavin1
Жыл бұрын
"Wakanda forever!!!" Wait what? "I'm Irish. YOU RACIST OR WHAT?"
@BeastMaster228
8 жыл бұрын
Would really love to watch this movie sadly I don't speak Shakespeare.
@AbrahamLincoln4
3 жыл бұрын
@Smiles and the Twisted MD *One does not simply understand a joke*
@AbrahamLincoln4
3 жыл бұрын
@Smiles and the Twisted MD*It's still a joke though*
@blackmomba9368
3 жыл бұрын
That was too funny! 😂😂😂
@AbrahamLincoln4
3 жыл бұрын
@Smiles and the Twisted MD I'm glad you finally laughed for the first time in 3 weeks. I'm now gonna let the 57 likes on that *joke* speak for itself.
@LetsGoPredators
3 жыл бұрын
Same
@sarahsiajibckx770
7 жыл бұрын
oke lets cast martin luther king junior as an asian man.
@islandgirl3126
6 жыл бұрын
sarah siajibckx lol get over it!
@anastasia-fr1gn
6 жыл бұрын
island girl Over what exactly?
@islandgirl3126
6 жыл бұрын
anastasia * over a black actress playing the role of a french queen. Which is what the majority of discussions have been about on this video. Keep up love!
@tacosmexicanstyle7846
6 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many people talking about the actress' skin colour are actually from the countries the real Queen Margaret represented lol -- Shakespeare isn't a history lesson, if you wanted historical accuracy I should think of 100 things to be changed in the play before something as trivial as Margaret's skin colour...
@Oceananswer
6 жыл бұрын
Cleopatra wasn't black though.
@HolandaChiquita
7 жыл бұрын
I hadn't seen these episodes yet from The Hollow Crown. The previous ones with Jeremy Irons and Tom Hiddleston were amazing. This could only be better, with Sophie Okonedo in it!
@Lucy-wi4ny
7 жыл бұрын
Why are you guys all so hung up over the accuracy of this? It's Shakespeare. He wasn't exactly renowned for portraying history as it happened. Yes, Queen Margaret wasn't black, but Richard III wasn't evil. Does it really matter? Everyone knows Shakespeare was heavily influenced by the politics of the era and wrote to appease his audiences and the crown. If that was okay then, why not now? Audiences want good acting over race. Nobody watches Shakespeare and mistakes it for a history lesson, and if they do, quite frankly they are thick :)
@gidzmobug2323
7 жыл бұрын
Lucy Jayne If you have read the text of Henry VIII, it ends with the christening of the future Elizabeth I, during whose reign Shakespeare lived. Henry VIII was written during Elizabeth's reign.
@joermundgand
6 жыл бұрын
Because of the hypocrisy.
@kcmiles9832
6 жыл бұрын
PC lunacy. Shakespeare said Margaret was a young, beautiful, fair maiden, but Okonedo is 47 years old, not fair or beautiful by any stretch of the imagination.
@islandgirl3126
6 жыл бұрын
KC Miles beauty is in the eyes of the beholder
@islandgirl3126
6 жыл бұрын
Lucas D oh we can hack it. We are happy. If you people had ever acted like it mattered when the roles were reversed AS THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME THEY ARE we would also support you. Queen Margaret is played by a black women. Get the fuck over it! Like we ALWAYS have to
@Enforcer2223
8 жыл бұрын
Margaret of Anjou I like to believe was a very strong individual, this being the women who held the house of lancaster together. Her potrayal by Conn Iggulden was much better in the war of the roses series
@PHlophe
7 жыл бұрын
except this play is not war of the roses. Keep it moving, Tuffty
@philbecker4676
3 жыл бұрын
@@rebeccaherschman3069 Girl... you sound like a dipshit 🤣
@lauren9004
2 жыл бұрын
Ummm why is the queen black?
@lauren9004
2 жыл бұрын
Wait I get it, it’s a parody
@Heru13938
15 күн бұрын
Because she was. Most of Medieval Royals and Nobles were.
@PatRick-zi3ok
3 жыл бұрын
I'll be mad if some of white or black actors will play my country's historical figures LOL. this is insane
@ianvera4299
3 жыл бұрын
This is Shakespeare lol
@alexissimpson5819
3 жыл бұрын
The actress is mixed race.
@dorkknight0790
3 жыл бұрын
Since Chadwick boseman is gone now, the new black phanther should be play by jackie chan!
@cranebeg
3 жыл бұрын
YAAAAS QUEEEN!
@sidsnot6952
3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@cranebeg
3 жыл бұрын
@@angelique25m11 So what's up my ______ with Jackie Chan taking the role?
@sidsnot6952
3 жыл бұрын
@@angelique25m11 it's now racist to be annoyed at a black woman being cast as English queen. I forgot that everything is racist in 2020.
@AbrahamLincoln4
3 жыл бұрын
@@angelique25m11 Not racist, just sick.
@wsmith4906
2 жыл бұрын
Might as well have the queen twerking on the throne. it would have not been anymore historically inaccurate than the glaring woke PC queen of this movie.
@jonathanpinkney9268
2 жыл бұрын
Yikes, and I thought MY family had issues
@Blackrew
6 жыл бұрын
Um, why is Queen Margaret a black woman in this? In real life she was white.
@ambernicolecartwright2136
6 жыл бұрын
In real life she was French. White wasn't a racial category then genius
@marc-antoinerave2572
6 жыл бұрын
"In real life she was French. White wasn't a racial category then genius" You are joking right? French people at that time were exclusively white, it's not racist, it's a fact.
@Blackrew
6 жыл бұрын
Marc-Antoine Ravé Exactly. Thank you.
@marc-antoinerave2572
6 жыл бұрын
Well I am french, and I personnaly don't give a damn that they chose a black actress to play Margaret, because it is the adaptation of a play. It is not supposed to be historically accurate. Nothing new here, there was Much Ado About Nothing with Denzel Washington in 1993 and it was a good movie. I just can't stand people who try to rewrite history so it fits their political agenda.
@TheSteelEcho666
6 жыл бұрын
anbille c I'd hazard to say you're right, however there were racial categories, they were just more finely divided. I expect that the English would have seen themselves as something entirely different from, say, the Irish. It would however have been perfectly apparent to all in medieval England that if Margaret of Anjou was black, she was in a very distinct category from them.
@me323
3 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait until George Clooney plays Martin Luther King Jr. Or does it not work that way around?
@ianvera4299
3 жыл бұрын
Triggered snowflake alert
@me323
3 жыл бұрын
@@ianvera4299 just calling it as I see It. If it was the other way around, imagine the fuss people like yourself and the mass media would make. There would be literal tears. And we’re the snowflakes 🌚
@ianvera4299
3 жыл бұрын
@@me323 Yes you are the snowflakes thanks for agreeing.
@me323
3 жыл бұрын
@@ianvera4299 wow mature argument well done. Bet it took a while to think of that. Maybe come back when you’ve finished school and then people may take you seriously
@ianvera4299
3 жыл бұрын
@@me323 Oh sorry do snowflakes keep trying to stay triggered? I wouldn't know, please keep embarrassing yourself its actually entertaining.
@user-rr8io7gk1b
3 жыл бұрын
That’s not Queen Margaret
@ryan7864
7 жыл бұрын
A black English Queen in 14th century England? ...can someone please explain what the intent is here?
@jonothandoeser
6 жыл бұрын
I think it's perfectly charming!
@apemantus67
6 жыл бұрын
The intent was to show how much of an outsider Margaret was in the English court.
@biggestboofer
3 жыл бұрын
I didn't know queen Margret was black
@ianvera4299
3 жыл бұрын
You also didn't know how to spell Margaret correctly or that this is a Shakespeare play.
@averageanimefanboy9473
3 жыл бұрын
@@ianvera4299 *Marguerite.
@ianvera4299
3 жыл бұрын
@@averageanimefanboy9473 *Anglo Saxon spelling
@alexissimpson5819
3 жыл бұрын
The actress isn’t Black.
@jamesdanton9033
3 жыл бұрын
What??? Margret, Queen of England, wasn't BLACK! What the hell is this?
@alexissimpson5819
3 жыл бұрын
The actress isn’t Black. She’s half-White. This is a play.
@emmapeel7283
2 жыл бұрын
@@alexissimpson5819 For us Europeans she is black!I‘m a French Woman!Just White Humans are Europeans!
@onig77
7 жыл бұрын
This is why one has to read and get as much information on anything, before forming an opinion. Goodness.
@bloozism
6 жыл бұрын
I don't see the queen of england here? can someone show me where she is?
@musicloverlondon6070
4 жыл бұрын
Sophie Okonedo is great in this. I enjoyed the way she emphasises that exercising power involves acting a role and is a performance in itself. I've seen a lot of queries about her playing this role but I imagine they've cast her as Margaret of Anjou to represent the character's perceived 'otherness' as a French woman (in addition to her being a good actor). Different productions will do this to give an audience a clearer idea of contemporary perceptions. In the recent film about Alexander the Great, the Macedonians are given Irish accents because the Athenian perception of them at the time was that they were a rather rough, backwater people. I think they were seen as being on the periphery; not quite foreign but not quite Greek in the Athenian sense either. I also remember reading a translation of a Greek play where the Spartan characters were written with Scottish accents for a similar approach. The whole idea is to draw more recent parallels and give modern audiences an insight into historical perceptions/biased attitudes that we wouldn't necessarily be aware of otherwise. Sophie was cast as Nancy in 'Oliver Twist' too and did equally well in that.
@yannickdrmda5295
4 жыл бұрын
That choice of cast was ridiculous. They did the same with the black dames of honor in Mary, Queen of Scots. Thanks God Downton Abbey was produced in 2010. In 2020 they would have casted Whoopi Goldberg as the Dowager.
@odette6328
6 жыл бұрын
Nice blackwashing.
@Ahmed1khaled2mohamad
8 жыл бұрын
this is the cringiest thing i have ever seen in my life back to GoT
@alexac4293
6 жыл бұрын
Xx_Dope_Master_Legend_27_DabMaster_xX yep
@kellydg471
6 жыл бұрын
The Henry VI plays are among Shakespeare's early works and far from his best. Apart from the stunt casting, the producers have further hurt the plays by cutting large sequences, e.g most of the Joan of Arc portions, that do not fit with present day opinions. An infinitely better version is the 1960 "An Age of Kings" produced by the BBC and starring such actors as Sean Connery, Judy Dench, Julian Glover, Angela Baddeley and Eileen Atkins who plays Joan la Pucelle (Joan of Arc) as Shakespeare wrote her, not as we would want her to be.
@Hrvo182
4 жыл бұрын
I come from the future to warn you not to go back to GoT!
@Cauldron6
4 жыл бұрын
This comment didn’t age well lol
@kensebego199
4 жыл бұрын
Yo wtf😂😂 Why the hell is Margaret black?? Dead asf
@harley_lotus_flower2349
7 жыл бұрын
damn girl can't even pick up a fan
@AbrahamLincoln4
4 жыл бұрын
Arrogant French woman.
@rommy_of_rohan
3 жыл бұрын
I think casting a woman of colour as Margaret of France is taking political correctness too far. There would be uproar if a white man was chosen to play a black man's part but it seems it's okay for a black woman to play a white woman's role. It completely spoils the flow of the film because your brain keeps trying to reconcile what it's being shown with what it knows - namely, that Margaret of Anjou was fair-skinned. What next? Leo diCaprio as Martin Luther King? Jim Carey as Nelson Mandela? The actress is without doubt very talented and if this were purely a fictional role she'd probably be excellent in it, but Margaret of Anjou was a real woman, and she definitely wasn't black.
@emmapeel7283
2 жыл бұрын
Of course she is not black!She is a European Woman!
@ShadowSonic2
2 жыл бұрын
Did you whine like this when Anthony Hopkins did Othello in blackface?
@rommy_of_rohan
2 жыл бұрын
@@emmapeel7283 My point precisely.
@dimitarlazarov8815
2 жыл бұрын
Why the heck is the queen black?
@emmapeel7283
2 жыл бұрын
I ask myself the same…..🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
@heliotropezzz333
6 жыл бұрын
How many people visited this site because they enjoy a good Shakespeare play?
@zeusgiron784
3 жыл бұрын
✋🏼 I do
@heliotropezzz333
3 жыл бұрын
@@zeusgiron784 You saved my faith in humanity.
@zeusgiron784
3 жыл бұрын
Than I am glad. As a mix race guy, it is just Shakespeare play. It isn’t supposed to be a historical doc.
@heliotropezzz333
3 жыл бұрын
@@zeusgiron784 Exactly
@stottie92
5 жыл бұрын
Oh for heavens sake people, why are you all getting so worked up about something I find so trivial? Ever stop to think that Sophie Okonedo was the best actor? I'm a white, English female and I couldn't give two hoots about who plays Queen Margaret! As long as the performance is top notch, why does it matter if her skin isn't "historically accurate". Are you seriously telling me you have so little competence in society that you're afraid we're going to forget that every British Royal, ever, has been white!?
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