NOTE: If you are interested in this subject, be sure to read all the Heart Comments below. I have highlighted questions and comments that many others may share and not just the ones that agree with me. I hope between the video itself and the comments below you can find answers to any questions you might have. If not please leave a comment as I try to answer them when I can. Thanks for watching. Next, I find myself writing the same reply over and over so I'm going to pin it here so I can just reference it when I need to. Here is where I'm coming from... I own some $1500 to $2000 VR headsets and the Quest3 at $499 is almost as good an experience as I get in those expensive ones. So I look at the Quest3 as a Unbelievable Deal and a no-brainer for the experience you get out of it, and I want other people to be able to take advantage of that deal too. Just to be clear, the thing you gain for an extra $200 is a MUCH CLEARER Image where you can move your eyes around to look at things vs. having to always look straight ahead and move your head to look around. Then you have the increased Field of View of 13 degrees (which is noticeable) so it doesn't look like you are looking through a narrow tunnel along with all the other advantages I mention in the video. Plus the Quest3 has 512 GB of memory vs. only 128 or 256 in the Quest3S. So that is what you are gaining for the extra $200. Is that worth it to you? That is what you have to decide... I just want people to know what they are giving up vs. the money savings. In the end I’m a huge fan of VR so Budget VR is certainly better than NO VR, and you should enjoy the VR experience no matter which one you choose. Just know the Quest3 will give you a much better experience when you are ready for it. Also I certainly never meant to imply the Quest3S would be like those "cardboard" experiences, obviously not. What I was trying to say is that those experiences and IMO the experience of the Quest2 (and really any Fresnel Lens Headset) falls way short of what people envision VR will be like if they have never tried it. From my experience, most people who don't really know much about VR think it will look similar to real life (or at the very least like the visuals you get from a computer monitor) and when they put on a headset that is blurry, has godrays, very low FOV and all those things that Fresnel lenses cause, they are disappointed or at least unimpressed compared to what they expected. If you want to grow VR to the masses, you need to meet the expectations of the masses and not just the expectations of us enthusiasts who are more likely to give a pass to a less than optimal experience. For the record, I did have several people back in those days who discounted VR entirely because of that experience they first had in the "cardboard" frames and I feel like the Quest3S is going to have the same effect on people today. Time will tell I guess. I hope that clears things up.
@MobileDecay
7 күн бұрын
You can afford to buy $1500. to $2000. VR headsets. some people can't justify $500. You're being an elitist.
@GYGOtv
7 күн бұрын
@@MobileDecay Um... that is kind of what I do on my channel... I review VR and Immersive Technology. And unlike others, I pay for everything I test so there is no bias from getting things for free. If you think I'm elitist because of the headsets... you sure don't want to watch my video on what I did before KZitem... Flying around in a private jet!!! Now that is Elitist for sure :)
@MobileDecay
7 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv So then you don't know what it's like or forgot what it's like to struggle financially. That's my point.
@GYGOtv
7 күн бұрын
@@MobileDecay I see I'm dealing with someone without a sense of humor... So you sure are making a lot of assumptions about me and sounds like you already made up your mind, but I'll try to give you a little better insight into my personality anyway. SO If I was such an Elitist wouldn't I tell everyone that if you don't spend thousands of dollars on a VR Headset then you don't deserve VR anyway? Just to clarify, the reason I mention the expensive headsets is to offer a comparison of the Quest3 to those expensive headsets... not to brag about how I can afford them. Go ahead and watch my other videos and see how much bragging I do (unless of course I get called Elitist from someone who doesn't even know me). If you listen to the video I say if you can't afford to go for the Quest3 then do the Quest3S. I'm a huge VR fan and obviously Budget VR is way better than not having VR at all. The people I'm trying to reach with the video are people that are new to VR and who are able to afford the Quest3 but might not understand why they should spend the extra money. My goal has ALWAYS been to help others find the best product to fit their needs, not mine and that is exactly what I'm trying to do here. If that makes me an Elitist in your mind so be it. By the way I worked my ASS OFF to get what I have, and achieve what I achieved but that probably doesn't matter to you anyway.
@MobileDecay
7 күн бұрын
@GYGOtv This doesn't match what you said in the video, which is basically no one should buy the 3S because you will be disappointed. Whatever, I don't want to stress everyone out, or I'll feel bad about it because it's not worth fighting over. Goodnight.
@subcog
8 күн бұрын
I appreciate the opinion expressed, but geez I'm tired of all these people who essentially say "Anyone who can't afford what I think is good don't deserve to play"
@GYGOtv
7 күн бұрын
Well that certainly wasn't what I was trying to say... I was trying to say if you can afford it, the Quest3 is MUCH BETTER VALUE and the only time you should get a Quest3S is if you absolutely cannot afford the Quest3. I'm a huge VR fan so Budget VR is better than NO VR obviously. The people I'm trying to reach with this video are those that might not really understand the difference in the Quest3 vs. the Quest3S and I want to make sure they know what they are giving up to save a few bucks. That is the whole point I'm trying to make, sorry if it didn't come off that way so thanks for the comment so I could try to clarify what I meant.
@danielzawerton7023
5 күн бұрын
That is not what Mark is saying, He is trying to convey to you what the best bang for your $$ is, he in no way is saying "Anyone who cant afford what I think is good don't deserve to play", I am going to speak from my own experience and say, if it were not for the videos that Mark and others put out, I would have fallen into a serious case of buyers remorse, but watching this exact type of video allows ME to make the most informed decision on how to spend my hard earned money while minimizing the "buyers remorse" risk, again, just one individuals opinion.... I hope you have a great day !
@MojoJakeJo
9 күн бұрын
I vehemently disagree with this, and I'm a Q3 owner. The lenses and front cameras are about the only real noticeable difference. USB C has adapters that allow 3.5mm jacks AND charging at the same time (yes, this requires a cable purchase of approx $5). Personally, I cannot stand pancake lenses. If you're like me and the fresnel lens of the Q2 aligns perfectly with your eyes, you might actually prefer fresnel. Pancake lenses introduce duplicate images from light sources that are on dark backgrounds. Want to look at a lantern in a dark space? Have fun seeing it twice. Fresnel God rays > Pancake duplicate "ghosting" images. I understand I'm in the minority here, but I NEVER experienced that "wow" moment from pancake lenses that KZitemrs and reviewers are pushing so heavily. If viewing angles were never really an issue for you on the Q2, DO NOT BUY THE OVERPRICED Q3. Choose a 3S.
@GYGOtv
9 күн бұрын
Well you are certainly in the minority on Fresnel vs. Pancake from what I've seen, and the people I've talked to out there over the years. That being said, it certainly doesn't invalidate your viewpoint so thanks for sharing. I'll let you in on a little secret... I don't love pancake lenses either... they give off a ton of glare in dark scenes, but not as bad as Fresnel do for sure. I prefer Aspheric lenses ideally with OLED panels behind them... but nobody has done that yet with modern technology. BUT for me, pancakes are FAR SUPERIOR to Fresnel and most people I've talked to agree. To each their own, I just think most newcommers would find the Pancake experience much better than the Fresnel and I want to make sure people know that. Thanks for the comment either way.
@MojoJakeJo
9 күн бұрын
@GYGOtv totally fair, and I absolutely acknowledge that I'm in the minority. Thanks for posting your video and thoughts!
@bobertoroberto953
8 күн бұрын
I was hoping they'd fix the godrays, and they did, but then they introduced something worse. That part was a bummer.
@robbates4704
8 күн бұрын
I have owned every model Quest, and have 2x Q3 currently. Each lens design has its pros and cons. While I like the clarity of the Q3 lenses, I dislike the brightness shift across the field. I still regularly use my Q2 when my other headsets are in use and find the “lens” experience essentially on par.
@GYGOtv
7 күн бұрын
@@robbates4704 Yep VR is very personal and I think that is why there are such extreme positions on this. I can only speak from my experience and for me the Quest2 was God Awful compared to every other headset I ever used.
@technikchegger7228
10 күн бұрын
You can now buy the Quest 3 refurbished from the Meta Store, which is even less reason to buy a Quest 3S
@GYGOtv
10 күн бұрын
Great tip, plus I heard they are selling off the old Quest3 128GB inventory at a discount so another great option for people if they hurry. Thanks for watching!
@dusk1234567890
9 күн бұрын
No you can’t.
@GYGOtv
9 күн бұрын
@@dusk1234567890 Yep you are right, the 128 version seems to be sold out now but the refurbished are still available as of today www.meta.com/quest/quest-3/refurbished/
@dusk1234567890
8 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv not available in my country.
@GYGOtv
8 күн бұрын
@@dusk1234567890 Ahh, ya that makes sense. Sorry to hear that.
@VladZotta
4 күн бұрын
I've already preordered the Quest 3S 128GB. My previous experience with VR is limited to Valve Index and PSVR1 (not my own, but had them for a few weeks), so I guess I'm fine. I've been reading a lot about pancake lenses, but I'm in the EU and there's quite a big price difference between the Q3S at 330EUR and Q3 512GB at 550EUR (even 128GB models are still available here for 480EUR). If I'm not ok with it, I can always return it and get my money back, but I'd like to try it first. I understand the fresnel lenses are a new design and a bit better than what they used in Q2. We'll see when reviews hit. If the Q3S is good enough, then it can do wonders for VR adoption, as price is unbeatable and the quality of games and apps has gone up by a lot during the last few years. Q2 sold quite well and the Q3S has some strong advantages over that one. So it should sell really well for the next 2-3 years and with Meta pushing updates constantly, it certainly looks like a winner.
@VladZotta
4 күн бұрын
One more thing, because you've said it in the comments. It's not about saving a few bucks. A few bucks is relative. Might be 50 to me and 200 to you. Storage aside (which can be managed), the difference between 300 and 500 bucks is quite a lot (more than 50% and not really a few bucks) and paying that premium just for pancake lenses (and a bit of fov and a bit better display resolution) doesn't seem quite the deal, especially if this is your first headset or if you're on a budget. Big premiums for smaller improvements is usually a strategy for the enthusiast market (same in audio, video, etc) and doesn't apply to the mass market. From this point of view, the Q3S can be a very nice introduction to VR. It will fail only if the experience is abysmal, which I really doubt because Q2 sold so many millions of units (around 20 if I'm not wrong). This is why, I think, you should also present Q3S (maybe even review it) from an enthusiast point of view who is glad that more people can jump in and enjoy with a fairly good or good enough experience for the first time. Anyway, always a pleasure to see veterans with far more experience talking about VR, so if you ever review it, I'll certainly watch it.
@GYGOtv
4 күн бұрын
First off, thank you for such a well thought out and written comment. So coming from the Valve Index you likely won't be bothered by the godrays/glare as it was probably one of the worst for that. What you likely will notice is the much smaller FOV. The Index's advantage was always a larger FOV and now you are going to one of the smallest at 97 degrees. It might be fine for you so absolutely give it a shot. This smaller FOV is probably the biggest thing that concerns me about turning people off... I've had so many new users tell me they didn't think their view would be so "small" and or "limited" and they will just stick with their monitors for games instead. That is wild to me because I love the 3D and all the things that go with it and hell was even willing to put up with low resolution in the early days just to get it... but obviously that is not the important thing for everyone. Now I even mention in my video that the Quest3S will be successful, I mean look at the adoption of the Quest2... My concern is that newcomers to VR might be of the opinion that "look it is just different lenses and it is $200 cheaper" without really understanding that the lenses (along with the screen which is also lower resolution on the Quest3S) is the heart and soul of the whole VR experience. So what I'm trying to do is save people from buyer's remorse if they know in general they prefer the best experience AND can afford to pay that premium to the Quest3, it is such a massive difference in what you will get.
@GYGOtv
4 күн бұрын
@@VladZotta Absolutely agree that "A few bucks is relative", and that is why I say "If you can afford it" because of that exact fact. And just to be clear, if $299 is the most you can, or are willing to spend... then the Quest3S is really your only choice (although you might also look at a Pico line if you live outside North America). So bear with me as I put on my "Enthusiast Hat" for a moment... the hard thing for me is not long ago we were spending $2000 to get a headset that had clear edge to edge visuals (the Varjo Aero) and that was a game changing experience for most of us in VR the first time we saw through that kind of lens. Now people could have that same "game changing" experience for only an additional $200 (again a few bucks is relative) and people are treating it like is is just the addition of whip cream on top of their latte? Fresnel to Pancake lenses a paradigm shift in the experience and I don't know how to better emphasis that. I hope that makes sense? As for reviewing it, I certainly am not going to spend any money on it BUT I'm sure I'll get the chance at some point to stick my head in one. But keep in mind, I've had several VR Headsets already that use Fresnel Technology so I'm VERY familiar with that tech. I've used the Quest2 so I know what that was like, and I can't see how even a new Fresnel lenses in the Quest3S is going to overcome the inherent problems with that design. Now if I do try one and found out I was wrong, I'll be the first to admit it... I just don't think I am. Thank you again for the well thought out comments.
@demdirtyboyz247
10 күн бұрын
I agree about this video. So many people online are posting... "i have a quest 2. Should I upgrade to the 3s or save and get the 3" I'm like, SKIPP AND SAVE, people have no idea what pancake lenses are like. It's tons of questions like this everyday. Everyone agrees too, poor name choice, you're 100% right, Quest 2 pro should have been the name.
@GYGOtv
10 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment, well I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. I didn't really watch a lot of other reviewer's opinions before I did this so was kind of just going off my own instincts and Thank You for trying to steer all the Quest 2 owners in the right direction... I just think that is the right way to go for almost everyone.
@rodojodo3849
9 күн бұрын
I disagree with most of this. I do think the quest 3s upgraded storage is a bad choice, however the quest 3s IS modern VR, but it is VALUE modern VR. It is built to get people into VR and if you think the quest 2 is a bad experience I think you need to do some more research into the stats of how well it was received. As a student with a quest 1 I cannot justify spending £120 more for better visuals, so this is the perfect headset for me.
@GYGOtv
9 күн бұрын
Well I disagree with most your your points... ANY Headset using Fresnel Lenses is not "Modern VR"... this is Budget VR! Of course we are basically just arguing semantics so no real point so lets move on. And I know it is built to get people into VR and that is the point of the video... it is the WRONG choice for almost everyone, new people included. Yes I do think the Quest2 is a bad experience... Blurry images, small FOV, small Sweetspot, limited IPD adjustment, crappy sound, washed out screen, shitty and uncomfortable headstrap out of the box (O wait that is still a thing :) ) I could go on... and the majority of those issue carry over to the Quest3S because it is the same Optic Stack!!!!! I never said the Quest2 wasn't a success... hell it is the most used VR Headset on Steam, doesn't mean the experience is the best! Also I say in the video if you absolutely can't afford more than $299 then get the Quest3S... and that is exactly what you did so thanks for proving my point! I mean Budget VR is still better than No VR for sure. Anyway, thank you for sharing your viewpoint as all comments are welcome here and I'm sure many feel the same as you do. Appreciate you watching.
@DJAngelicon
9 күн бұрын
Well, I am glad I picked up my headset a couple of days ago the Quest 3 512GB version over waiting for 3S. I owned a few years ago the Quest 2 and had issues with the lens position since I wear glasses. I feel this Quest 3 was worth it by a long shot. Works great with my Samsung buds 2 Pro and my ASUS ZenWIFI AXE7800 WiFi 6E Tri-band Mesh Router. Thanks for the great video.
@GYGOtv
9 күн бұрын
CONGRATULATIONS! I still love my Quest3 even though I paid $200 more than you can get it for now. Honestly I'd pay the $699 again for it if I had to, it is THAT GOOD! I've been using mine in my Sim lately and with my 6E router and Virtual Desktop it is amazing and I see no artifacting at all with my 4090. Just FYI... I have a list of games that I purchased in the description that will save you 15% if you order from the link since you might want to try a few new games with the headset. ENJOY and thanks for watching and the comment.
@DJAngelicon
8 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv Sounds good I will check them out the games you listed. Must be nice with that RTX 4090 only have a RTX 3090Ti here but it does get the job done. ;)
@GYGOtv
8 күн бұрын
@@DJAngelicon That 3090Ti is just fine!!! As long as you can run the AV1 codec (which the 3000 series can) it should be great. I'll tell you a little secret, I only have a 3080Ti on my roomscale PC and it plays just great too. Thanks for the comment.
@danielzawerton7023
5 күн бұрын
Thank you for another informative, thoughtful review, looking at the comments below, it seems quite a few people have missed the point of your video, while we are all entitled to our opinions, I feel sorry for the people that missed your well thought and presented points. Keep up the great work Mark !!!!!!
@GYGOtv
4 күн бұрын
Thanks a ton for the comment! I find it interesting that I've had this opinion for over a year and have mentioned essentially the same thing many times in the past like with the Quest2. People don't understand the implications of "it is just different lenses" on the VR experience (not to mention is is also a different screen, but lets not let facts get in the way). Here is an example of the effect of the different lenses on the 2 headsets. So we use to get excited when a headset was coming out that might have 5 degrees better FOV... and here we have a 13 degree difference between the Quest3S and the Quest3 and people act like that is nothing. 13 Degrees is a HUGE difference, especially when you start at 97 degrees (terrible FOV that looks like you have blinders on). Again people are free to make their own decisions but I hope those that might be new to VR understand what they are giving up to save a few hundred dollars! Thanks for watching.
@No.Name-Y-T
8 күн бұрын
2:35 that'sn simply not true, due to the extended facial interface on the Q3, they are almost exactly the same thickness wise, with the facial interface on (you will not play without the facial interface). The only difference this makes, is that the weight is distributed worse, but when you change the head strap, what MOST users do eventually, this is also falls away, they will feel the same comfort wise. Therefore, there is no notable difference between Q3 and Q3s when it comes to comfortability.
@GYGOtv
8 күн бұрын
the unit itself is much thicker not counting the facial interface, not nearly as streamlined as the Quest3 and the weight distribution is the issue I was getting at. If you want to count the facial interface then I'll agree they are the same thickness so you are right in that respect.
@Doughny
8 күн бұрын
Thanks for your opinion you made some good points. However I'm still leaning towards the 3s, but I've no idea how horrible the old lenses are since I haven't used VR for 4/5 years ( Rift S ). I'm just looking to play some Co-op games like Walkabout minigolf, eleven table tennis and miracle pool with my GF. We'll probably play 1-2 times a week for 1-2 hours casually. We'll have to buy 2 headsets. Two 3s's will cost us €660, two 3 128gb € 958. So that's about €300. This isn't a huge amount for us, but since we're saving up for our first house, and having other interests saving €300 might be worth it for our casual use. We tried to see if stores had the Quest 2 or 3s for try-out but only the 3 was available.
@GYGOtv
8 күн бұрын
Honestly if you are coming from those older headsets and you are fine with them then the Quest3S will probably be fine because you don't know what you are missing. Here is I guess where I'm coming from... I own some $1500 to $2000 VR headsets and the Quest3 at $499 is almost as good as those expensive ones. So I look at the Quest3 as a super deal and a no-brainer for the experience you get out of them. The thing you gain for only an extra $200 (each headset) is a MUCH CLEARER Image where you can move your eyes around to look at things vs. what you probably remember as having to always look straight ahead and move your head to look around. Then you have the increased Field of View of 13 degrees (which is noticeable) so it doesn't look like you are looking through a narrow tunnel, and the last big thing is you won't have as much glare and "godrays" with the Quest3 either. Plus the Quest3 has 512 GB of memory vs. only 128 or 256 in the Quest3S. So that is what you are gaining for the extra $200 ($400 total)... is that worth it to you? That is what you have to decide... I just want people to know what they are giving up vs. the money savings. Either way, it will be an amazing jump from your older stuff so you should enjoy it no matter which one you choose. Just know the Quest3 will give you a much better experience when you are ready for it. I hope that helps.
@ProgrammistMusic
9 күн бұрын
i have the Quest 2+3 as well as Pico 3+4 and i would always prefer the Quest 3. Also i would recommend the Quest 3 to anyone who is willing to spend the money for the 512GB version, which is the only one available as of now. And the Quest 3S 256Gb is a hard sell in my opinion. This one should have cost around $ 359,-. Having said that, i disagree with the opinion, that the Quest 3S is not for the majority of people. It is definitely not for anyone who alreaady has a VR headset. Maybe for some, who own a Quest 2 and are fine with the visuals as also mentioned in the video. But the target market for the Qujest 3S is new customers, who never tried a VR headset and for those people the experience will still be great. I remember the time i put on a Oculus Rift for the 1st time and it just blew me away. When the Quest 2 was released i showed it to a couple of my friends who don't even play games at all and almost all of them bought a Quest 2. This 1st time experience will not change, even in 2024. Also it's not a matter of affordability. New customers don't really know what to expect from a new device like this, so they don't want to spend too much money on that, even if they can affort it. However, some of them may go for the Quest 3 if they see the comparison by themselves. I also don't think that the experience of the Quest 3S will be bad and in any way comparable to the "cardboard" situation a couple of years ago. I put on my Quest 2 from time to time and the visuals are still fine and this isn't even using the much higher render resolution of the 3S, which should make a big difference. In addition to this there was no alternative to this from a business perspective. The current technology did not allow to get to that low price point with better lenses and displays. In conclusion i think Meta absolutely did the right thing with the Quest 3S. Will it sell well ? Nobody knows, but it will hopefully get more people into VR.
@GYGOtv
9 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for both watching and leaving such a well thought out comment! I appreciate viewers like you! I certainly never meant to imply the Quest3S would be like those "cardboard" experiences, obviously not. What I was trying to say is that those experiences and IMO the experience of the Quest2 (and really any Fresnel Lens Headset) falls way short of what people envision VR will be like if they have never tried it. From my experience, most people who don't really know much about VR think it will look similar to real life (or at the very least like the visuals you get from a computer monitor) and when they put on a headset that is blurry, has glare, very low FOV and all those thing that Fresnel lenses cause they are disappointed. The Quest3 was the first affordable headset that at least gave you an experience closer to that expectation. You and I are enthusiasts so of course our first VR experience was amazing to us... hell I started with the DK2 and loved it, BUT for VR to go mainstream you have to meet the expectation for people who aren't necessarily as excited (or see the future potential) that VR holds. You mention "Also it's not a matter of affordability. New customers don't really know what to expect from a new device like this, so they don't want to spend too much money on that, even if they can afford it. However, some of them may go for the Quest 3 if they see the comparison by themselves."... and that is the main reason I made this video... if they don't know what to expect and CAN afford it, I don't want them to be disappointed by the Quest3S experience when for a few hundred more they could enjoy more modern tech and a much better experience closer to what they probably expect it to be. And we can agree, the Quest3S will be successful. Look at the Quest2... most used headset on Steam currently so I do I think Meta did the right thing with offering this headset... I just don't think very many people SHOULD take them up on that offer. Thanks again for the debate and allowing me to clarify my points.
@TheTravelgnome
8 күн бұрын
I have a Q2 and Q3 and i play VR coop with my son, im upgrading my 2 to a 3s so we can play all the MR games as i dont need the full cost of a new quest 3
@GYGOtv
8 күн бұрын
Yep totally makes sense if you are already good with the Quest2, the Quest3S is a good upgrade. Since you have both, do you notice a difference in the visuals between them?
@robbates4704
8 күн бұрын
It is important to keep Q3 in the name because that is the generations of software that it can play. I don’t think it is reasonable to expect the lite version of the headset to be the same tier of experience as the regular Q3. The whole point of it is to trim less essential features and keep the price low.
@GYGOtv
8 күн бұрын
Sure I get that from a marketing point and you certainly could make a case for exactly what you are saying. My point is with that old optic stack the experience is closer to a Quest2 over a Quest3 and I think consumers need to be VERY AWARE of what they are giving up to save a few bucks and I don't think a lot of people understand the difference in the quality of the experience since they are both "Quest3's" Great point and thanks for watching.
@farmertrueVR
7 күн бұрын
I know you are going to get a lot of slack from this video but you make some valid points all throughout! It's hard to believe that I bought my Quest 3 over a year ago. How times flies when you are having fun in VR. But the difference from the Quest 2 going to the Quest 3 was far more significant than it is going from the Quest 3 to say the Aero, Crystal, VR1 or Beyond. And that is mostly because of the best in the business pancake lenses! Plus you have that solid FOV, improved resolution and pixel density, edge to edge clarity and massive sweet spot. Heck you can put the Quest 3 on sideways and it still looks good in the lenses. You lose ALL that with the Quest 3S. VR is subjective, even when being objective. What I like, you may not like, and vice versa and that is alright. Which is the great thing about the Quest 3S. We all like and want different things, have different budgets, tolerate things better, etc. The more quality we have available for VR, the more people will get into VR. Like you, you couldn't catch me going back to fresnel lenses in 2024. Heck, as somebody who used fresnel lenses for years before we got quality pancake and aspherical, I understand that you don't know how drastic of a difference they make if you have not tried them. But VR always was off with fresnel lenses. Always, and I didn't know why until better lenses started coming out. Obviously, the Quest 3S isn't for enthusiasts like you or I, but it will be solid for those who are just now getting into VR and are tighter on their budget. But it could be this generations gateway drug for VR. The Quest 2 is what got me hooked in VR and like you said, would not be a great VR experience for 2024. But somebody who is brand new to the platform, it'll still blow them away and headsets will only continue to become better with each year. But yea, down with fresnel headsets. You won't ever see me buy one ever again. Pancake and aspherical lenses should be the only option going forward. Cheers GYGO!
@GYGOtv
7 күн бұрын
Thank you for sharing my friend! Yes and can you believe all those advantages for only an extra $200!!! All I'm trying to do here is point out how much more you get from the Quest3 and how FANTASTIC a deal it is for those who can afford it. I mention in the video that if you just can't swing more than $299 then go for it... but for those that can and might just not understand why they should, that is who this video is for. I know people are passionate so I'm ok with taking the criticism. At the end of the day I just want people to get the best VR Headset that meets their expectations, budget and needs... They can take what I'm saying and do what they want with it, but at least in my heart I know I'm trying to help people that are less familiar with VR than I am... that is all I can do.
@DeadOGChannel
8 күн бұрын
I am just now getting into VR (I have a VR capable PC going on over 2 years now), and I am getting the 3s. The price makes sense to me.
@GYGOtv
7 күн бұрын
That is fine just understand what you are giving up for that savings... The thing you gain for only an extra $200 is a MUCH CLEARER Image where you can move your eyes around to look at things vs. having to always look straight ahead and move your head to look around. Then you have the increased Field of View of 13 degrees (which is noticeable) so it doesn't look like you are looking through a narrow tunnel, and the last big thing is you won't have as much glare and "godrays" with the Quest3 either. Plus the Quest3 has 512 GB of memory vs. only 128 or 256 in the Quest3S. So that is what you are gaining for the extra $200. Obviously those gains are not worth it to you so by all means enjoy your Quest3S. That thing is going to be very popular and sell a ton of units so you won't be the only one with one that is for sure and I hope you have a blast using it.
@matKilla9801
7 күн бұрын
Meta monetization director would be smiling ear to ear to watch the segment at 5:32. The whole point of offering the 256GB Quest3s was to upsell people to the Quest 3. Meta actually doesn't want anybody buying the 256GB 3s either, they just offer it to make it easier for people to justify the jump in price to the Quest 3.
@GYGOtv
6 күн бұрын
That combined with the other advantages should make the upsell a no brainer for anyone who can afford it. I just hope people listen to my advice and avoid being disappointed. Thanks for the comment.
@aapje
Күн бұрын
The Quest 3S is better than the 2 as a standalone headset. With the better APU, you get better visuals, even with the old lenses. So I think that it's perfectly fine for the price point. But it's just not a very good headset for PCVR.
@chrispriest1904
8 күн бұрын
i liked the controller rings. you could stand them on end easy to grab
@GYGOtv
8 күн бұрын
I know right! I can't tell you how many times I reach over to grab them like they are standing up and had to remember I need to reach down now to pick them up. I will say the rings sucked for trying to do reloads in the gun however. I guess pluses and minuses to everything. Thanks for the comment.
@willieraysor4779
10 күн бұрын
My upgrade from my quest 2 to my quest 3 wasn't that significant a bit clearer but wasn't an extremely large jump
@GYGOtv
10 күн бұрын
Interesting, well VR is very personal so if you didn't notice the edge to edge clarity of the Quest 3 and the larger FOV then the Quest3S might be a good choice for people in the same boat as you. I do know from talking to lots of people about this stuff that most other people do not share your experience. Appreciate your viewpoint and thanks for sharing.
@SneakyKittyGameDev
10 күн бұрын
Really? I went from a OG Vive to the Reverb G2 and in terms of visuals it was a nice improvement, but the tracking was just horrible and it had a sweet spot that felt a little smaller than the OG Vive but it was still clearer overall. Went from the reverb to the quest 3 and the visuals looked nearly on par to the G2 but without the tiny sweet spot. It felt similar to the G2 but with the ability to actually look with my eyes which I've never been able to do before in VR. Keep in mind this is running games from my pc and not native in the quest, havent tried that
@GYGOtv
10 күн бұрын
@@SneakyKittyGameDev Yep, this is the experience most people I've talked to have... I personally can't imagine not noticing a HUGE difference from the Quest2 to the Quest3 because the Quest2 was really bad when I used it (far worse than the Reverb G2). So have you ever tried a Quest2?
@SneakyKittyGameDev
10 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv Have not, I would imagine a quest 2 is similar to my OG Vive, maybe a little better in the lens department?
@GYGOtv
10 күн бұрын
@@SneakyKittyGameDev Ya... probably, Quest2's resolution was better but FOV was BAD!
@dusk1234567890
9 күн бұрын
It can’t be a quest 2 pro…that makes no sense. It’s not even part of the same gen and would just confuse customers. It’s not just for new vr users. It’s also for people who can’t afford the quest 3. Who cares how much value it has if you still can’t afford it. This is the same excuse defenders if psvr2 make. “Look how much you’re getting for the price?” What good is that if I can’t afford in the first place?
@GYGOtv
9 күн бұрын
I would argue (and I think I do in the video) that the important tech (you know the optic stack that is the heart and sole of any VR device) is more Quest2 than Quest3... but I can see your point. As I mention in the video, if you can't afford it then certainly go for the Quest3S... old VR is still better than no VR! But this video is for those who might be able to afford it and just don't know if the difference is worth it. Everyone's situation is different. Thanks for watching.
@ChesterMeadows
8 күн бұрын
Damn, i can't help but agree with your take man. Even though i obviously want alot more people to discover vr, i fear alot of 3s's are gonna gather dust after playing Batman and the novelty wears off. 5/10 years yet before a tidal wave of adoption. Still, at least there's better software out there or coming soon.
@GYGOtv
8 күн бұрын
I mean I know SO MANY people who had a Quest2 and they did exactly what you are saying... tried it then it just sat in the closet. I agree that the same pattern will likely follow here. It is too bad because as I'm sure you'll agree... VR done well is amazing!!! Thanks for the view and the comment!
@MethosOhio
7 күн бұрын
Comparing a 3Dof slide-in phone in a VR experience not controllers to a 6Dof dedicated processor with controllers and 120hz display Quest 2 experience is ridiculous. Those 2 things aren't even in the same galaxy. Whereas the Quest 3 isn't that much different than a Quest 2 aside from the color pass-through. I've owned both. I do agree however that there's zero reason to get a 256 GB Quest 3S. If you're cheap or poor then be cheap or poor and get the base model Quest 3S. Otherwise save up for the Quest 3. Paying $100 for 128GB of RAM all by itself is a terrible deal. If you get that 256GB Quest 3S you kind of both failed to save money or best experience by landing in-between.
@GYGOtv
7 күн бұрын
Never meant to imply that, please see my pinned comment if you want clarification.
@Ramin97-z6b
8 күн бұрын
You are correct but I guess this $200 differences is a lot for people who is not familiar with VR or AR and when they realize how great is VR then going to buy quest 3.
@GYGOtv
8 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching... ya that is what I'm trying to help them avoid, save the $299 from the Quest3s and just go straight to the Quest3. Why waste that initial $299?
@charlesrochagtr
7 күн бұрын
I plan to buy the Q3s as first VR and go directly for the Quest 4 in 2026, skipping Quest 3.. VR Headsets is way too expensive in my country, considering our wage quoted in usd
@GYGOtv
7 күн бұрын
@@charlesrochagtr I hope you enjoy it. I Don't quite understand why you wouldn't spend the extra $200 now if you like "the best", I mean it is going to be 2 years at least until the Quest 4 and we have no idea how good it will be. We do know how much better the Quest 3 is over the Quest3S so I just don't understand, but you do you. I mean lets pretend the Quest3S is exactly the same as the Quest3S (which it isn't) the Quest3 has 512GB memory which alone is 4X the memory of the base Quest3S so that alone should be worth the extra $$$ in my opinion.
@Ramin97-z6b
7 күн бұрын
@@charlesrochagtr Don’t doubt it, the Quest 3S is an amazing headset. When we say the Quest 3 is better than the Quest 3S, it’s just because the lenses are sharper. But both of them are incredible, the immersion is the same in both of them
@Ramin97-z6b
7 күн бұрын
In many countries $200 is hard to earn that's the reason Zuckerberg gonna release the 3s so everybody be able to enjoy AR and VR in almost same quality level.
@Icy_plays717
9 күн бұрын
I had the quest 1 and thought the q3 was to expensive and I used a quest 3 instant headache and the Fresno lenses never hurt my head so I got the q3s
@GYGOtv
9 күн бұрын
Glad the Quest3S is a solution that will work for you. I have to admit I've heard more people have issues with motion sickness with Fresnel rather than Pancake Lenses. Any idea what part of the Pancake Lenses were giving you headaches? Very interested and might be good for others to know. Thanks for the comment.
@Icy_plays717
9 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv so the pancake lenses with the brighter graphics and the higher resolution make me get headaches instantly bc of the resolution and brightness increases. Ill update you when I get the quest 3s and see if it is still giving me a headache.
@GYGOtv
9 күн бұрын
@@Icy_plays717 Would really appreciate an Update and I hope it doesn't give you headaches, I know my Pimax Crystal can adjust the brightness if your Quest3S doesn't work for you it might be an option. Good Luck!
@Icy_plays717
9 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv ty!
@Icy_plays717
8 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv So I did a lot of research and I can confirm the quest 3s wont give me a headache bc the quest 1 quest 2 and quest 3s have the same lenses and same brightness.
@zombos22222
7 күн бұрын
Quest 3 is too expensive for 500$ we dont ever get the 128 GB filled so the 512GB are pointless...also never used the Headphone Jack and we are glad about the VR/MR switch button instead of this annoying tipping twice on the Headset, i got always fear about damaging it when typing to hard and it dont works always....I want to experience VR together with my Family and Friends in the same Room and can even use my expensive Myiopia Glasses from Quest 2 in Quest 3 S without extra Costs and getting one Quest 3 S for everyone in the Family and enjoy VR/MR together is way more fun than taking turns on a single Meta Quest 3....
@GYGOtv
6 күн бұрын
You don't get the 128GB filled right now... but what do you think the increased graphic enhancements to take advantage of the new chip set are going to do to the size of the games? If you look at PCVR games, they can run 40GB or more because of the higher resolution graphics... Asgard's Wrath 2 takes over 25GB to install and over 21GB to run right now, and I can assure you the new Quest titles will easily eventually approach that of PCVR. Lets just take Asgard's Wrath 2 as a typical file size for newer games... that means about 5 games, maybe 6 if you can squeeze enough out of the install, at best before you have to start uninstalling to change over. Now for an extra $200 you get 4x that memory size so you are talking 23 to 24 full size games at that size. But by all means purchase what you want, It sounds like you know what you are getting into. Thanks for the comment.
@szyslay
10 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing all insights 😀 I totally agree. These is one plus side - devs like me, have more power to up the renderscal to actually achieve native Quest2 panel resolution! I could always seee the difference, when playing on PC streming via VR Desktop.
@GYGOtv
10 күн бұрын
For sure, that is why I'm not criticizing Meta for making the Quest3S and you mention a great benefit as well... I just think it is a bad purchase for most people. Although I bet it eventually becomes the top VR Headset on Steam just like the Quest 2 is right now. Thanks for watching and the comment.
@szyslay
10 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv true ! Always like your content and passion 😀 will be back for more and who onows...I would be happy if you could play my soon to be released game 😀
@GYGOtv
10 күн бұрын
@@szyslay Feel free to email me the specifics and we will see where that takes us. Happy to at least take a look.
@szyslay
10 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv will do! Thank you :D
@tmswood78
8 күн бұрын
I agree this is for absolutely no one. The only thing it did that’s good is lower the price of the quest 3. I would much rather buy a used quest 3 128 for a little more than a Q3S.
@GYGOtv
8 күн бұрын
Absolutely Correct in my opinion! Again I only recommend the Quest3S for those on a strict budget who are ok with the Quest2 experience... everyone else should buy a Quest3. I still can't believe Meta lowered the price of the Quest3 512 GB to $499!!! Incredible Deal, and the way to go once they run out of 128GB models.
@tdub8719
10 күн бұрын
Hey Mark. I pretty much back you up on all your points. Good advice. You may want to keep checking out of the window, though, for an unmarked van. The Zuck patrol may be closing in. (everyone the Quest 2 isn't bad. especially mine, which I just happened to be selling cough, cough, to upgrade to a Q3).
@GYGOtv
10 күн бұрын
Thanks for the warning my friend! I figure if they didn't come get me when I did my Rant a few years back (kzitem.info/news/bejne/1Hpjr6h3ZmKQeII) I'm probably ok here. Although I doubt I'll be invited to an future Meta-Connects :) Don't think I'd go even if I did... I find them very boring and somewhat deceptive... but I do admire Meta's consistency LOL!
@darkesco
8 күн бұрын
I thought the 's' meant slim. Been wating for a comfortable headseat. I'd definitely use it more if it didn't feel like a tourture helmet.
@GYGOtv
7 күн бұрын
Not sure what the "S" stands for to be honest. The Quest Line in general is known to be uncomfortable with the stock headstrap. Fortunately if you buy an aftermarket one they are pretty good now days. What headsets have you tried?
@darkesco
6 күн бұрын
@GYGOtv I have the Quest 1, 2, and 3. 2 was the most comfortable because I found a good face plate for. The weight seems to be the biggest problem. Need a thick face panel, but the suction/weight is bad. It will destroy collagen in your face and lead to permanent damage.
@GYGOtv
6 күн бұрын
@@darkesco Ouch, well nobody wants that to happen. Please be careful!
@Zeninari
9 күн бұрын
100 isnt cheep . . . but i do agree that the quest 3 rn is a huge steal. i am getting the quest 3 over the quest 3s because im doing it for support. for someone who bought an oculus go(used) for $199 a long time ago and it breaking (due to a bug now its a paperweight) because of an update that never came i want to make sure i get the best headset for supported years, which i dont think meta is dropping the meta quest 3 anyyime soon.
@GYGOtv
9 күн бұрын
I agree $100 makes a big difference for most of us out here. I certainly think you are safe with a Quest3 for quite some time, and that $200 discount from what what I paid for the 512GB version is obviously helpful (as we already established the value of just $100). This is a tough one for me because I look at the Quest3 as being nearly as good as some of the $1500 and $2000 headsets out there so to me $499 for what you get is a DEAL not an Overpriced VR solution. Thanks for watching and the comment.
@muskerp
8 күн бұрын
Its not for quest 3 owners to buy as a downgrade - your whole premise seems wrong. It is a good upgrade from quest 1 or 2 but maybe not for you. Perhaps you just need to change your title but frankly it seems to me you have just missed the point completely.
@GYGOtv
8 күн бұрын
No the point is the Quest3S isn't a good choice for hardly anyone out there, I'm not sure where you got that I'm talking about going from a Quest3 to a Quest3S? The point is DON'T BUY the Quest3S unless you simply cannot afford anything else just like the title says. I think you missed the point completely but thanks for the comment.
@Sebaboo_Vail
8 күн бұрын
its fine, its a cheaper option to the Quest 3. i have the Quest 3 and i see so many good things with the Quest 3s. its a cheaper option and also the 3s has the fish eye lenses but it also has the same processer as the Q3 So the experience isn't actually the same as the quest 2. It is also a cheaper option so you must remember that. So if you want all the options at the quest three does you might as well to save the extra 200 bucks. This guy is just highlighting all the negatives and not a lot of the positives. It is the right headset for people trying to get into VR but they do not want to spend $500. I have been using VR for 3 years now and am a comp. player in VAIL ESports. Although I am not the best at VAIL ESports I will say I am qualified to say these things.
@GYGOtv
7 күн бұрын
"This guy" is just trying to make sure people understand what they are giving up to save a few hundred dollars. The only real advantage of the Quest3S is the price so what other positives am I supposed to mention? Here is the deal, I own several $1500 to $2000 VR headsets and the Quest3 gives me almost as good an experience as those... so what you see as an expensive option, I see as a Unbelievable Deal that I want people to be able to take advantage of. So you say you are a comp. player in VAIL? Do you use the Quest3 or are you going to switch to the Quest3S? NOTE: If the amount of time we have been using VR is the criteria for who to listen to... I had my first VR Experience in the 1990s and I've owned VR headsets since 2016 just FYI.
@Sebaboo_Vail
7 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv i have +2000 (no argument i just want a peaceful discussion) hours and i have the quest 3 Because I have the means to and people who don't have the means to can switch to the quest 3s
@GYGOtv
7 күн бұрын
@@Sebaboo_Vail Hey I'm all about a peaceful discussion, so sorry if I came off strong... just a lot of other comments that got me in that reply mode and the "This Guy" reference sounded snarky. Like I said in the video, that if that is all you can afford then obviously the Quest3S is really your only choice. I just want to reach people who may not know what they are giving up to save $200. I don't think they realize the difference if they are new to VR. Thanks for coming back around to clarify.
@Sebaboo_Vail
6 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv yeah, i get that. although my opinion you came off a little harsh in the video.
@Sebaboo_Vail
6 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv but thank you for this peaceful discussion
@namegoeshere197
9 күн бұрын
I still belive in making it good before making it cheap!
@GYGOtv
9 күн бұрын
Well Said!!! And the best part is they made the Quest3 512GB "good" and then just made it $200 cheaper so again that is the RIGHT CHOICE for most! Thanks for the comment.
@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe
15 сағат бұрын
Just like phones you have plenty of options to choice from. Same with VR headsets now. Get what you like. There is No Wrong or Right! Although, I agree with what this man is saying. The pancake lenses are crystal clear providing a much better visual experience. The fresnel lenses are filled with integrated rings that make the visual experience messy. It will not ever look as good. 💯 Facts! My advice, get the Quest 3 not the Quest 3S better yet! Don’t get any and find another hobby! 😉👌
@GYGOtv
11 сағат бұрын
Certainly agree with your point of view... except the part about finding another hobby LOL :) Thanks for the comment.
@Kovka1
7 күн бұрын
im from Europe i have to pay 33% more for Quest 3 then i would pay for Quest 3S. And i dont willing to pay that amount of money for only diffrent lenses and little bit higher fov. I will use it to 90% Standalone and what the Hardware can reach on pixels its the same like Quest 3. The diffrences are better quality resolution on pc and way better lenses and u have way more GB to safe games or Apps. So of a standalone player point of view its dumb to buy the Quest 3 and not the Quest 3S. I never played VR. I cant tell if its worth or not, if the quest 3 and quest 3S would be coming today out at the same time and the next quest would be in 3 Years i would buy 100% the quest 3, but if the quest 4 is clocking on the room i dont will pay the 33%-40% more. Instead i wait until Quest 4 and buy the high end product with Oled and 4k (hopefully)
@GYGOtv
7 күн бұрын
By all means buy what you want. What I can tell you is the Quest 3 is totally worth the extra 33% IMO but you do what you want. You are the person I'm trying to reach with this video, those who have never played VR, so I'm glad you watched it. Again it is more than just "different lenses" it is the screens, the Memory and all those other things that make that 33% increase a bargain. Keep in mind the Quest3 when I bought it was $650 US and now that exact same model is $499... best bargain ever in VR by far. Now if you don't want to take advantage of that, that is fine. Even if the Quest3S had the same optics as the Quest3 (which it does not) I could still justify the extra cost in just the fact you are getting 4x the memory. And keep in mind the memory is something you can't upgrade later and if you are only playing stand alone like you say, be ready to uninstall and reinstall games on your device to play what you want down the road when they get larger than they are now and you can only fit a few at a time on your headset. If you are ok with all those inconveniences be my guest... but don't say I didn't try to warn everyone beforehand, Thanks for the comment and enjoy you Quest3S.
@Kovka1
6 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv Thanks bro, i apreciate you as a person and imo i like it thatg u giving ur opinion about that. You will help alot of people to buy the right thing for them. But for me as a standalone player its to less upgrade. Im not that hyped about the pancake lenses they are good and nice but expensive. Atleast for me.I can understand if u played on pancake lenses u cant go back, but ig i will be fine if i dont know how good pancake lenses are.XD if it makes sense. Im fine with 128gb memory. But thanks for ur answer and ur advice. I buy the 3S for 1-2 Years and then i upgrade to Quest 4
@GYGOtv
6 күн бұрын
@@Kovka1 Sure, sounds like you are making an informed decision and as they say "Ignorance is Bliss" so you obviously don't know the difference so you should be fine. The biggest part of it for me is the small FOV of the Fresnel, I just hate when it looks like I'm looking through a straw to see anything. So I hope you really enjoy the Quest3S and thanks so much for watching our stuff.
@kevinbuchanan67
8 күн бұрын
I think it's the best value out of anything on the market... Don't wanna be mean, but you're a bit delusional on this. It's a quest 3 with fresnal lenses....for cheap...and that's pretty good
@GYGOtv
8 күн бұрын
Obviously I completely disagree with you on best value... with the Quest3 512GB now only $499 it is a better value by far for what you get. Yes the Quest3S is a "Quest3 with Fresnel Lenses" AND the Quest2's Screen, but that translates to a lower resolution, 13 degrees less FOV (a very substantial and noticeable difference), smaller IPD Range, more glare and Godrays, Non-edge to edge Clarity... you know all the things that are important to a good VR experience. Keep in mind, best value does not mean lowest price! So if recognizing those substantial differences on a "Quest3 with Fresnel Lenses" is "delusional" then I guess you are right. I guess in the end each person has to decide that for themselves, I just want people to know what they are deciding between. So thanks for your opinion even if it is a bit "mean" LOL.
@willieraysor4779
10 күн бұрын
Have you tried it?
@GYGOtv
10 күн бұрын
No but I've used the Quest 2 which is the same optics and I have a Quest 3 so I understand the technology that is in there so I understand what this device is. There is no magic that they can put into the Quest3S that can change the basics of the design and experience. Even if it is "better" by X% than the Quest2... there is still NO WAY it will even be close to the Quest 3's ability, so stay away. Thanks for the question.
@KnuttDog
9 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtvthe only things different are the casing and lenses…
@GYGOtv
9 күн бұрын
@@KnuttDogYep, and those lenses make a HUGE difference! Plus the screen... so basically the entire optic stack, which is what makes all the difference in a VR headset.
@KnuttDog
9 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv this headset was made specifically for people with the quest 2 looking to upgrade for less money
@GYGOtv
9 күн бұрын
@@KnuttDog For sure, but Meta is also actively targeting new users as well and that is my issue and the point of the video.
@ultragamingcat26
7 күн бұрын
Ima boycott meta until they make a standalone headset that has a usable and comfortable strap out of the box.
@GYGOtv
7 күн бұрын
LOL I think you will be waiting a LONG time :)
@ultragamingcat26
7 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv I’m willing to wait.
@TheCommentManVariedStuff-yy9hj
8 күн бұрын
Bro looks like gaben from valve
@GYGOtv
7 күн бұрын
Awesome, another Gabe reference... those have been missing for awhile. I'm pretty sure we are brothers separated at birth... I just can't convince him of that! Thanks for watching.
@jackr.749
9 күн бұрын
Quest 2 was a amazing HMD when it was released 4 years ago, but by today's standards, it's just okay. My guess, anyone new to VR that buys a Quest 3S will be kicking themselves in the butt shortly afterwards wishing they had gone all the way and gotten a REAL Quest 3. Quest 3S really should have been called "The Quest 2 Whatchamacallit" LOL 🤪
@GYGOtv
9 күн бұрын
Nice to know I'm not the only one with this opinion. I obviously agree completely! And credit to the Quest2 for expanding VR to the masses probably more than any other single headset. Thanks for the comment and watching.
@han_zei_bu_liang_li
9 күн бұрын
we need a quest 3 pro with oled panels.
@GYGOtv
9 күн бұрын
I agree 100%!!! Been wanting OLEDS back in VR for years now. Thinking about a Pimax OLED when they come out but it is Pimax so we will see. I'm sure a Quest 3 OLED would be amazing.
@zombos22222
7 күн бұрын
the original Oculus Quest has OLED.... but than it turns into Meta Quest....
@GYGOtv
6 күн бұрын
@@zombos22222 Yes and so did most of the first generation of headsets, but they were low resolution with a pentile pixel structure along with Fresnel Lenses... all old tech that shouldn't be in modern headsets in 2024, yet the Fresnel lenses are going into the Quest3S to give you a similar lens experience to what was available in 2016.
@thehumbleonion5280
8 күн бұрын
I wouldn't say it is useless as I always want more powerful headsets to be more available so it can finally catch up to pc vr and we start getting the large fantastic games pcvr used to get but don't as it all has to work on the fucking quest 2. However, this headset is utterly useless for any pcvr users as the quest 2 does the same thing (res, fov, lenses) for cheaper.
@GYGOtv
8 күн бұрын
Yep, that new chipset should allow developers to get closer to PCVR for sure and that is why I don't criticize Meta for making the headset. I just think for the difference in price between the Quest3S and the Quest3, it is a much better decision to go with the Quest 3 unless you just can't afford it. Thanks for the Comment.
@thehumbleonion5280
7 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv great point, i just wish they could make a pcvr headset with the visual spec of a quest 3 but the price of a 3s, due to it not needing the higher peformance. I also think it will still make them money as more and more people are playing games on their computer, and therefore, already have them.
@GYGOtv
7 күн бұрын
@@thehumbleonion5280 Well if you can get it, there is rumor of a Pico Ultra Max or something like that that will have a display port and basically do what you are asking for. We can't get them here in the USA but I think everywhere else can. Might be worth a google search. Thanks for watching!
@thehumbleonion5280
3 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv honestly i'm just going to get a second hand psvr 2 at some point. just started student life and have no job, so it's going to be a while before I can put my beaten quest 2 into retirement next to my quest 1 and rift
@GYGOtv
2 күн бұрын
@@thehumbleonion5280 Well if the prices are close, I'd recommend the Quest3S over the PSVR2 just for the wireless and Mixed Reality aspect. Maybe at Christmas they will have a deal and then you get the latest tech for less. Good Luck!
@hgmd3284
9 күн бұрын
im used to the quest 2 lenses, so im getting the 3S just for the price, and the exclusives. and so i can spite all the people who want me to do the popular thing.
@GYGOtv
9 күн бұрын
That is awesome and I'm glad you enjoy your Quest2, and the Quest3S is the perfect fit for you. I can tell you whenever you do get the chance to use either Pancake or Aspheric Lenses it will be that much better. In the end it is all about what works best for you and it looks like you found that so congrats! Thanks for the comment.
@hgmd3284
9 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv youre welcomr.
@zombos22222
7 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv are the pico 4 pancake lenses much different from the meta quest 3 ones? because it seems very similar to the quest 2 maybe a lil bit clearer but only when i stand around and try to count pixels. I selled my pico 4 in the past to get the meta quest 2 because pico 4 dont keeps their promise with pico worlds and the home and their gamestore also dont offer much games and some games dont get updates anymore...so i dont feel much difference between pancake and fresnel lenses even when they look totally different from outside.
@GYGOtv
6 күн бұрын
@@zombos22222 Don't know, we can't officially get Pico here in the States so I've never tried one.
@heyteecee3190
9 күн бұрын
I agree with these points you’ve made. 👍
@GYGOtv
9 күн бұрын
Thank you, and thanks for watching... I just want people who might be new to VR to understand the huge difference in the experience. Hopefully this video does that.
@viperjay1
8 күн бұрын
I got the 3s because Quest 4 is coming out in 2026. So saving the money for that version better tech :) .
@GYGOtv
8 күн бұрын
I can understand that, but if your interest is in better tech then why wouldn't you want the Quest 3 to use for the next 2 years? I'm not criticizing, just curious.
@viperjay1
7 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv I lost my job in 8/2022 so the Quest 3s is what I can afford (maybe the last gift I will be able to get for my birthday). My thoughts were if I do get the Quest 4 next year, It wouldn't as big finance hit as if I did get the Quest 3 and ,sort of, saving money toward the Quest 4. Crazy ?? Plus I am bum they couldn't get batman to work on the Quest 2.
@GYGOtv
7 күн бұрын
@@viperjay1 I'm sorry to hear about your job, and yes the Quest3S certainly makes sense in that situation. If you are coming from a Quest 2 then you know what to expect so I'm sure you will love all the new features in the Quest3S (mixed reality is pretty wild). I wish I could afford to give you the $200 to upgrade but I can't right now (money is really tight here too), but what I would like to do is gift you a Quest Game for your Birthday, and hopefully that helps a little. Please email me your Quest User Name (or the email address you used for your quest account) and pick ANY Quest game you would REALLY like to own and I'll do that for you. You can find my email in the description. Best of luck getting on your feet and hope the free game helps. Happy Birthday!
@viperjay1
7 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv Thanks for the offer, but instead of a free game and money, I just would like talk about the VR tech. Maybe you can answer some of the my questions. 1) I feel when looking through the Quest 2, it's sort like looking through binoculars, does the flat panel display of the 3/3s fixed this? 2) Did you get a chance to go to the Meta connect convention? 3) I wish you luck as well and hope things get better. 4) Thank you for the birthday wishes. I can't tell you how sad I have been, my job was an helpdesk support tech and I did it for the same company for 14 years started professionally in 1998 ( I have been playing around with computers since the commadore/Amiga/ms dos days). I was totally dedicated to it, I had lost time with my family, friends, and just plain rest (came into work sick alot of times). rarely took vacation time, worked on weekends so other can take vacations etc. When the new management came in, they kick out all the people I knew that could support my value (they didn't belive my word) and outsource my job. So at the moment I have been looking for non I.T. work and have been reject from all near by fast food, home depot, Target, Fedex, etc. I keep telling them I just want to help. I guess it's not enough. Any leads let me know!!!
@viperjay1
7 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv This may be a repeated reply, I don't know if YT glicth or I didn't press replay. Thanks for the offer, but instead of a free game and money, I just would like talk about the VR tech. Maybe you can answer some of the my questions. 1) I feel when looking through the Quest 2, it's sort like looking through binoculars, does the flat panel display of the 3/3s fixed this? 2) Did you get a chance to go to the Meta connect convention? 3) I wish you luck as well and hope things get better. 4) thank you for the birthday wishes. 5) any job leads please let me know. I can't tell you how sad I have been, my job was an helpdesk support tech and I did it for the same company for 14 years started professionally in 1998 ( I have been playing around with computers since the commadore/Amiga/ms dos days). I was totally dedicated to it, I had lost time with my family, friends, and just plain rest (came into work sick alot of times). rarely took vacation time worked on weekends so other can take vacations etc. When the new management came in, they kick out all the people I knew that could support my value (they didn't belive my word) and outsource my job. So at the moment I have been looking for non I.T. work and have been reject from all near by fast food, home depot, Target, Fedex, etc. I keep telling them I just want to help. I guess it's not enough.
@technikchegger7228
10 күн бұрын
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@lucasbunting-dossantos3180
8 күн бұрын
didnt realise gabe newell was gonna do my review of the quest 3s
@GYGOtv
8 күн бұрын
AWESOME!!! I haven't had a Gabe Newell reference for awhile now!!! Was starting to think I lost the look. Thanks for the comment, you made my day!
@No.Name-Y-T
8 күн бұрын
"The Quest 2 is not a good VR experience" that's just a blatant lie, typical hyper enthusiast's statement, never satisfied with anything, when the new Quest comes out, all of a sudden the Q3 will be "a shitty experience" and so on, - there is no end
@GYGOtv
8 күн бұрын
The Quest 2 is NOT a good VR Experience... just look at the FOV, the Glare, the single screen, the lack of continuous IPD adjustment, No built in glasses adjustment, I mean how many examples do I need to mention? I will agree the Quest2 is a "VR Experience" but certainly not a good one in 2024. As for the "hyper enthusiast" comment... how do you know what I believe? You can disagree with me and that is fine... but try to make your points without name calling please.
@No.Name-Y-T
8 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv The FOV is good enough, the glare is barely there and visible, the single screen is also something you don’t remotely notice, it looks great (well except if you’re a „hyper enthusiast“), the 3 iPD modes + the 2 in-betweens are perfectly fine for 99% of people.
@GYGOtv
8 күн бұрын
@@No.Name-Y-T Again with the "hyper enthusiast" comment like I'm not capable of understanding what is good and bad. I guess I would call you a "Quest3S Fanboy" because it doesn't seem like you see ANYTHING wrong with that headset. Since you can't seem to be civil with this discussion, I'm done talking to you about it. Have a nice life.
@Mike23443
8 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv as someone who has never once experienced vr, I was looking into a quest 3 and pico 4 ultra, and ultimately decided to wait two weeks to get a quest 3s. I can buy a headset for 330 euros just to try it and see what the experience is like and not feel regret afterwards because its only a 330 euro investment. I would have to pay almost double for the next thing in line. At that point if I don't like it, I'm gonna have some sour feelings. For someone who earns a wage in NOT America, 330 euros is something I can reasonably save up in a month or two. 500-600 euros is a multi month saving decision and getting something like an enthusiasm level headset is a year+ decision. You're looking at this with the privilege of a dollar economy. Poorer countries with lower minimum wages will obviously have a much stronger market for a quest 3s. The quest 3s is the wrong headset FOR YOUR MARKET.
@No.Name-Y-T
8 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtv Well my arguments all stand how about you stick to that? And please stick to what I said, I never said „there’s nothing wrong with it“ I just debunked your hate on it
@jdogofoz3642
9 күн бұрын
nope quest 2 pro is dumb it's part of the q3 fam buy having the exact same xr2 gen2 chipset it's easier to just say a game is compatible only with q3 hardware then q3 and q2 pro comparing even a q2 to the old phone vr is stupid there is no comparison anyone that uses a q2 is amazed so q3s with even batman etc I'm sure will do the same not everyone is after the best to be impressed
@GYGOtv
9 күн бұрын
I would argue that the most important part of a VR Headset is the Optic Stack and that is 100% Quest2 in this headset, but I can see your point... I just disagree. From a Marketing perspective yes you are completely correct for sure. To the next point, I certainly never meant to imply the Quest3S would be like those "cardboard" experiences, obviously not. What I was trying to say is that those experiences and IMO the experience of the Quest2 (and really any Fresnel Lens Headset) falls way short of what people envision VR will be like if they have never tried it. From my experience, most people who don't really know much about VR think it will look similar to real life (or at the very least like the visuals you get from a computer monitor) and when they put on a headset that is blurry, has glare, very low FOV and all those thing that Fresnel lenses cause they are disappointed. If you want to grow VR to the masses, you need to meet their expectations and not just the expectations of us enthusiasts who are more likely to give a pass to a less than optimal experience. And we can agree, the Quest3S will be successful. Look at the Quest2... most used headset on Steam currently so I do I think Meta did the right thing with offering this headset... I just don't think very many people SHOULD take them up on that offer. Thanks for the comment and your point of view.
@jdogofoz3642
8 күн бұрын
@@GYGOtvyes the optics are awesome on the q3 and important to myself also but the thing is what got you and I into VR ? prob the rift cv1 or the vive and we thought that was amazing now people's first impression could be a q3s at a real cheap price I don't think it would drive them away. eg I just recently let my post man borrow my q2 as I don't use it now I have my q3 and he absolutely loved it , he even tried out the q3 before I lent him the q2 and the better optics never bothered him just being in vr was the most important part for him. I think the majority of people would be the same. being able to have there hands , move around all in one small package with no wires or pc needed with the graphical fidelity that the xr2 gen2 looks to provide with the new batman. if I started out with a q3s even with the freszel lenses and stupid ipd adjustment no need for a pc or wireless pcvr I would have been stoked lol. it's just like most people are happy with 1080p and don't care for 4k. there are people like you and me with 4099s want the best of everything and best visuals possible etc etc but the avg person they just don't care 🤣 it's more the experience is all I'm saying
@GYGOtv
8 күн бұрын
@@jdogofoz3642 We can just agree to disagree... DK2 was my first by the way (damn I'm old :) ). I think people that are interested in VR will certainly be happy to be in any headset but again, I had so many people back in the day that the experience just didn't meet their expectations so in their mind they tried it and didn't really want to pursue it further and again the shame was if they had tried a headset that looked more like a computer screen it might have fueled interest more. Again we are talking about average people and not enthusiasts and that is the point we are at now to grow VR... we need Joe Blow to be excited about it and I don't think the Quest3S will do that as well as the Quest3! You only get one chance to make a first impression and I feel the Quest3 IS the best chance for that. Obviously we have both had different experiences with older VR Tech and Newcomers so I don't discount your viewpoint, I can only go off the experience I've had so again lets just agree to disagree. In the end the Quest3S will be successful... I just think it will hurt as much as it helps with a lot of people. Thanks again for the debate, really appreciate you taking the time to comment in a thoughtful way.
@Eagledocstew
9 күн бұрын
Great video! I have been saying exactly what u are saying and I’m attacked for it. Those Fresnel lenses and rigid IPD were tolerable with the Quest 2 but the new pancake lenses are perfect for enjoying VR. Then I’m criticized since other people may not have the money for the Quest 3; either find a cheaper hobby or realize u will be paying for accessories and games so money better not be the problem. Finally, a $100-200 difference from mediocre to spectacular is really not that much of a difference, so spend the extra bucks and get the best experience for your money. Thanks again for a great video!
@GYGOtv
9 күн бұрын
Thank You!!!! Yep I'm getting attacked as well but that is ok as people are passionate about this stuff. I agree with your comment 100%, What I find interesting is a lot of the comments are about how $499 is too much (and I get it, that is a lot of money for a lot of people) but the Quest3 gives you an experience that is almost as good as the $1500 to $2000 headsets out there so to me the Quest3 is a DEAL not an Overpriced Headset. I guess it is all a matter of your perspective. Appreciate the comment!
@dtz1000
10 күн бұрын
They should have called it Quest 3 Kids Edition.
@GYGOtv
10 күн бұрын
That is funny... Maybe the "Quest3 LOL" edition? Thanks for watching.
@albertonavarro4117
8 күн бұрын
you repeat a word a lot in this and it is "experience" which I think you are greatly exaggerating, like you are losing everything. dude is just a bit worse lenses. being bulkier ( not heavier) and not having a headphone jack is not that massive deal for you not to recommend it or to compare it to people using their phones for vr saying "It's alright" you are having the same experience and PERFORMANCE which is the actual "experience" that matters the most with a bit less clarity
@GYGOtv
7 күн бұрын
I disagree, the experience all goes through the optic stack so I don't care how powerful the chip is, you still look at it through those lenses and that lower resolution screen. You can have the most picturesque view ever and if yourwindows are dirty you will not "experience" it the same as if you had clean windows. And it is not just like it looks a little worse, you give up a ton of other things that I list in the pinned comment above. Now I certainly never meant to imply the Quest3S would be like those "cardboard" experiences, obviously not. What I was trying to say is that those experiences and IMO the experience of the Quest2 (and really any Fresnel Lens Headset) falls way short of what people envision VR will be like if they have never tried it. From my experience, most people who don't really know much about VR think it will look similar to real life (or at the very least like the visuals you get from a computer monitor) and when they put on a headset that is blurry, has godrays, very low FOV and all those things that Fresnel lenses cause they are disappointed. If you want to grow VR to the masses, you need to meet their expectations and not just the expectations of us enthusiasts who are more likely to give a pass to a less than optimal experience. I did have several people back in those days who discounted VR entirely because of that experience they first had in the "cardboard" frames and I feel like the Quest3S is going to have the same effect on people today. Time will tell I guess.
@zombos22222
7 күн бұрын
and the switchbutton between mixed and virtual reality is so much better because it looks very dumb from outside when smashing the headset so often,it also only works sometimes more or less and with it there is no risk with smashing the headset to hard just for switching.
@GYGOtv
6 күн бұрын
@@zombos22222 Yep I agree with you there, but a minor issue in my opinion and certainly not worth giving up the fantastic advantages of the Quest3 over.
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