Happy Sunday. Got a shorter but pretty direct video for you all today. Thanks for being here!
@kaceesnow
6 ай бұрын
Evil never won. Jesus was sacrifice was foreseen or plan before the foundation of the world. Evil and all of this pain and suffering was apart of God's will, where he can select his elect who overcome evil. That is God's plan. God said, when some evil happens, I the Lord Sanctioned it.
@CheckmateSurvivor
6 ай бұрын
If you knew the evil of the people ruling the world, you would wish there was a Hell.
@GameTimeWhy
6 ай бұрын
When deconstructing i said "God created me like this so he will be fine with me going on this journey of self discovery". It helped at the time but as time went on i slowly let go of that thought too. Who knows, maybe Vishnu is angry at people who are half believers so i went all in on not believing until having evidence to prove it.
@Mr.PeabodyTheSkeptic
6 ай бұрын
@@kaceesnowThis god created an ant farm and the ants, didn't seal the lid, then began burning them with a magnifying glass because they got out and bit him. Sounds like a spoiled bored kid with a childish plan.
@TerryCrosslin
6 ай бұрын
Glad to be here and thanks for another great video 👍
@t0dd000
6 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, but if I entered heaven and was greeted by a serial killer who just happened to ask god for forgiveness before he died, that's a sure indicator a model of goodness is broken.
@DrewClark-ov5up
5 ай бұрын
Ted Bundy is an example I like to throw out - supposedly he repented and believed right before his execution. Does he waltz into heaven? And are some of his victims permanently "lost?"
@fishman2586
Ай бұрын
id hate for even serial killers to go to hell sure it sucks that they did horrible things but even with that hell is just so horrible I cant really want that for them with my current mind
@Johnmhatheist
6 ай бұрын
If God truly wants everyone to be saved and for none to perish, why does he play hide and seek making his existence impossible to empirically prove?
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Faith! Jk. Thats just the horrible apologetic for you answer that solves nothing.
@Johnmhatheist
6 ай бұрын
@MindShift-Brandon Sadly, the Bible raises more questions than answers. Unfortunately, God doesn't like to be questioned even though his holy word was written on a reading level that many even today can't fully comprehend, much less back then. It's also full of contradictions and bad science.
@mr.c2485
6 ай бұрын
Free will Els, FREE WILL! That’s the definitive Christian answer.
@Johnmhatheist
6 ай бұрын
@mr.c2485 When I was freewill believing Christian, I used to debate with atheists, and I remember one atheist told me, "I would love to believe in your God and believe that he sent his son to die for us and wants me to be in heaven for an eternity, but I need evidence of his existence before I can believe in him. If you present evidence to me, I will believe." At the time, was triggered and angry. Years later, I told him that I'm now an atheist and I apologized for telling him that he'd go to hell for an eternity.
@christasimon9716
6 ай бұрын
"If God truly wants everyone to be saved and for none to perish, why does he play hide and seek making his existence impossible to empirically prove?" If God truly wants everyone to be saved and for none to perish, why did He create hell to begin with?
@kerishannon775
6 ай бұрын
The Book of Job is the one that really kicked me in the head and showed me the true nature of this God. He sat back and watched as Satan tormented an innocent man, just so he could win a bet. If I caught anyone torturing my dog I would would be in a rage against that person. I care more for my dog than God cares for his "greatest creation".
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
So so very true!
@SCP-SAM
6 ай бұрын
True statement!
@christasimon9716
6 ай бұрын
"He [God] sat back and watched as Satan tormented an innocent man" It's a little worse than that. God was the one who struck up the conversation with Satan [Job 1: 7] and put Satan up to doing it in the first place.
@MrJasonwoodrow
6 ай бұрын
That was sort of a common theme in other ancient religion also. The gods could do whatever the heck they wanted and still needed to be appeased. That was how they explained their ships full of warriors sinking in a storm. I think it was in the Odyssey where Homer said "Without the gods, man is nothing", which was his point in writing it. I think they had already settled on the idea of gods existing, so had to try and make sense of random woes instead of concluding there weren't any gods at all.
@daraghokane4236
6 ай бұрын
@@MrJasonwoodrow Greak Gods were not meant to be moral or good there nature. Zeus is rain and lighting is that evil or good no just is, also even in the myths people call Zeus immoral and bad he admits he does bad there not role modals
@6Lucifer6Satan6
6 ай бұрын
I was told just that by my Baptist preacher. I asked him about a little 12 year old girl who belonged to a family that did not believe in doctors or hospitals. They insisted on praying over her and said God would heal her. Well, God wasn't healing her. She got sicker and sicker until one day she begged one of the women who had been left to sit her to take to the hospital. The woman refused and the little girl died. I asked the preacher what happens to her soul and he told me she would go to hell. Once I overcame my shock, I asked him why. He said she was 12 and that is the age of which she is capable of making decisions for herself. He said, when she chose to decide to defy her parents and therefore defy God, she let evil into her life and God no longer had any mercy for her. Needless to say I left that church and haven't set foot in one since. It took me another 30 years to deconstruct from the brain washing I had received at the hands of church doctrine and Christianity.
@Artist11_NC
4 ай бұрын
Wow, that preacher sure had a sick and twisted way of believing!
@rneedham667
2 ай бұрын
A friend of mine committed suicide. It broke my heart for his parents. Another friend told me "it's so sad he's in hell!" Christianity is really not for me.
@thesurvivorssanctuary6561
2 ай бұрын
I don't think you deconstructed properly, friend. The name "6Lucifer6Satan6" still shows a dependence on Christian dogma. You just flipped it, and now act like Satan is God, and God is Satan. But still are clinging to this notion of being in s "chosen" people guven "secret knowledge" waiting "to be saved". Satanic temples are still Christian nonsense, and deeper Satanic occultist dogma is still preaching The Bible. You just gotta "read it more closely", "think a certain way", and "use metaphors". Exactly like the mainstream Christians. It's no mistake, you're still getting sold a lie. Still, who am I to criticize what comfort food delulu people wish to cling to, 🤷♀️. I just needed to get that off Mmy chest. I am sorry. Satanists are often vastly more annoying than Christians in their Self-Assured nonsensical view of the world. At least Christians don't regularly stalk and bully people with their thought-terminating cliche bullshit, you know? Take it easy dude. Sorry if I insulted you, but I shall still be happy if you get a clue as to how stupid religion is.
@infinitedeath1384
Ай бұрын
It's taken me 20 years to deconvert, but only after a few months of doubting, after I'd read some of the bible. I've deconverted tonight, because it's evidently clear how hypocritical and evil God is, putting generational curses on us and then punishing us for having the curses. I'm glad I'm done believing this utter nonsense.
@Critical_Explorer-vw5hy
6 ай бұрын
I get more excited for Secular Bible Study than I ever did going to church.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
ha, love to hear it.
@stefansevcik1877
6 ай бұрын
Ad. " get more excited for Secular Bible Study than I ever did going to church." -- Bible has an explanation for it: " 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2Tim 4,3 Apparently we are reaching that point and Biblical prediction comes true.
@cristagalli8684
6 ай бұрын
@stefansevcik1877 What a joke 😂
@stefansevcik1877
6 ай бұрын
@@cristagalli8684 What an anti-logical fallacy: “Humor and ridicule can be extremely effective ploys when one is arguing in front of audience, often derailing a superior argument. But as Graham Green’s Monsignor Quixote reminds us, “Laughter is not an argument. It can be stupid abuse.”
@cristagalli8684
6 ай бұрын
@stefansevcik1877 I'm laughing because I've heard this all before. Your attempts to try and justify why people nowadays would take issues with your religion is honestly just sad, especially when you use scripture to try and explain why, and not dig deep enough and try to open your mind to other possible explanations. I'm not going to argue with you because it's pointless, and you'll likely not change your mind, so I leave you with only a chuckle.
@pittbullking87
6 ай бұрын
When I was growing up in the 70's I went to Mass on Sunday with my Dad and siblings. My father was very devout at the time. Years later shortly before he died he told me, "I would like to think that when I die I will see my parents again but I think when you die that's it." I admire my dad for stating what he thought was the case at a time when it would have been much easier to retreat into the religious conservatism he was raised to believe. What kind of "just" God would punish my father simply for his honesty?
@Person-ip7iy
6 ай бұрын
Your dad had the strength to defeat denial. Cudo’s to him
@jon.skeptischism
6 ай бұрын
You hit on what to me is the single most egregious injustice god ever commits: 1) Creates us against our will 2) Curses us for an offense we did not commit 3) Punishes us for being cursed I really like the return to a more intimate camera framing in this ep. Thanks Brandon!
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Perfectly put, Jon. And thank you!
@NightmareRex6
6 ай бұрын
punishes us for being DECIVED despite wanting TRUTH! (i understand punishing someone who WANTS to be evil but someone TRICKED?!?!)
@sdlorah6450
6 ай бұрын
Isaiah 33:22 reads, For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us. According to this verse, God our Creator has the power to give the law and to judge those who break it. We have all broken his law--For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). As judge, he has found us guilty and his sentence is death--For the wages of sin is death... (Romans 6:23a). In love, he provided one way for us to escape his judgment; he sent his Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, to suffer for our sins that we might be forgiven through faith in him (see 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, Acts 4:12). Jesus rose from the dead the third day and will freely forgive those who repentantly believe on him as Savior (see John 6:47). In this way, our King will save us. There is no other way to be saved but through the Savior, Jesus Christ, apart from which, people will surely perish: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:16).
@sdlorah6450
6 ай бұрын
Isaiah 33:22 reads, For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us. As our Creator, God has the power to make the law and to judge those who break it. We all have broken his law--For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). As judge, he has found us guilty and declared our sentence: For the wages of sin is death... (Romans 6:23a). In love, God, made one way for us to be saved from sin and death. He sent his Son, Jesus Christ, who suffered for our sins, died, and rose again the third day that we might be forgiven through faith in him (see 1 Corinthians 15:3-4). Jesus Christ will save those who trust in him as Savior: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:16). In this way, our King will save us! Repent and trust in Jesus Christ!
@sdlorah6450
6 ай бұрын
Isaiah 33:22 reads, For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us. God has the power to make the law and to judge lawbreakers. We all have broken his law--For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). As judge, he has found us guilty and declared our sentence: For the wages of sin is death... (Romans 6:23a). In love, God, made one way for us to be saved from sin and death. He sent his Son, Jesus Christ, who suffered for our sins, died, and rose again the third day that we might be forgiven through faith in him (see 1 Corinthians 15:3-4). Jesus Christ will save those who trust in him as Savior: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:16). In this way, our King will save us! Repent and trust in Jesus Christ!
@mr.c2485
6 ай бұрын
My 40+ year gambling addiction has cost me my family, friends, reputation, etc. I’ve lied, cheated, stolen, deceived, inflicted pain, caused suffering, accused, etc.etc. Then, one day last week, I hit the powerball for 12.5 million! I think I’m a big winner??? 🤨🤔😵💫🥴
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Love that example!
@starpeep5769
6 ай бұрын
Omg im so proud for u altho taxes
@DubbzRHandle
6 ай бұрын
Sounds like you’ve been around the rooms a bit.
@quaidrowan
6 ай бұрын
I think you've gotten at my core reasoning for abandoning Christianity here. We are created against our will, thrown into a game where the stakes are eternal torture if you lose, a game that most people happen to lose, and told that we need this setup to give our lives "meaning and purpose" and that it is fair because we have "free will." I'd rather lose all of those things than face even a 1% chance, let alone a 99% chance of burning in hell forever. I was a traditionalist Catholic where "the fewness of the saved" was always emphasized. We were to live our lives in constant meditation upon the four last things: death, judgment, heaven, hell. Saints would have panic attacks on their death beds terrified of thinking one last mortally sinful thought, unconfessed, before dying - but people like me were also told it would be sinful to worry too much because it means you think God can't or won't forgive you, etc. Few are saved because few are capable of the sort of perfect mental and emotional equilibrium that is apparently required by this sadistic gameshow host of a deity.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Loved your addition! Thanks for this excellent comment!
@jeffwhatley2634
6 ай бұрын
You think God is a sadistic gameshow host? Maybe. Life is an interesting game. Isn't it? The Great White Shark. What a perfect death for a surfer. Heroic. Movie-worthy. Sure. It LOOKS sadistic. The shark is just being a shark. The shark is not sadistic. Is it? The shark is into inflicting pain? Is that what you're saying? What is a "shark"? Do you know? I don't. I'm not impressed by sharks. Some people swim with sharks. Some people do stupid shit. Don't they? For the "thrill" of it. To look "death in the face". To "win" against all odds of losing. It's fun. Risking life and limb in pursuit of a thrill. Why do people do it? Do you know? Why? Why grab a gun and go into a school and slaughter innocent children? Do you know? Sharks don't do that. They don't use a weapon. Do they? Man uses weapons. Not animals. ANYTHING can be used as a weapon. A rolled up magazine can be used to kill you. I've seen the movies. It happens all the time. It's THRILLING to WATCH. Death dealing. Some say, "life is sacred". I say, "life is cheap". Life is free. Isn't it? The air? Free? That is all life is, when you think about it, that NEXT breath. Right? The one in your lungs? The breath that you are taking? Right now. Yeah...that one...and the next...and the next.... Catch my drift? Life is effortless. A GIFT that you hardly think about until it is OVER. God gave you the gift. Not your mommy. Not your daddy. God gave you LIFE. Is that not true? Did you hatch out of an egg? How did you get here? And now you insult your Creator, instead of thanking Him? ...why THANK Him?...for the next breath? Is that o.k.? All men are created equal? Do you agree? No? Are you living in this country? Then you agree. If not...leave. Or stay...why do I care what you do or think? Are YOU willing to fight and die for that idea. Others have died for it. A CREATOR is implied. The men who wrote it were not CHRISTIAN. There is only ONE God. If you cannot deal with that then go join a women's garden club. You can discuss religion. Mention the battle for the "holy" land when you get the chance. Women love to talk about real estate. Investments. Money. Clothes. Goofy nonsense. Women will even tell you that there is no God. It's true. Ayn Rand? A cunt. Pure and simple. A chain-smoking bitch. And a pervert. A lizard with a pen. Anyone that tells you there ain't no God is a FOOL. They are everywhere. God is a SUPER-INTELLIGENCE. God CREATED EVERYTHING. Didn't He? All men are equal IDIOTS in the God's eyes. You. Me. And the fool who runs this shit show. Wake the fuck up. Jesus is coming. You can bet your sweet ass he is. Look around. The Bible is just one fucking book. You cannot contain God in a fucking book. That is pure human ARROGANCE. It is STUPIDITY writ large. You read the Bible? And base your "conclusions" accordingly? And you are a "thinker"? Really? How so? Get ready. Put on your big boy boots. MEN ARE REQUIRED. Are you in? If not, save your voice for the women. You can do needle-point with mama. Just kidding. love your enemies. it confuses the ever-lovin' shit out of them... I don't have any enemies. Do I? Are you my "enemy"? ...really...why...because I believe in God? Seriously? vaya con Dios. ...if He exists... ...as if... weak...very weak.
@harold2
6 ай бұрын
I wonder if you really mean what you said. Would you rather not exist?
@Drums_strength_mobility
6 ай бұрын
Did you lose your medication?@@jeffwhatley2634
@quaidrowan
6 ай бұрын
@@jeffwhatley2634 I think you forgot your meds this morning
@MrCanis4
6 ай бұрын
An all loving, all powerful god. Then why am I an atheist? If he doesn't want to convince me, then he's not all loving. If he can't convince me, then he's not all powerful.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Perfect!
@Childfree334
6 ай бұрын
And what kind of loving parent hides from their child(ren) and allows all kinds of unspeakable evil to happen to them when He can easily stop it?
@ButConsiderThis
6 ай бұрын
They will just say he can’t convince you that would override your free will. As if human free will can somehow supersede an all powerful being when the Bible clearly says nothing can inhibit Gods will.
@istvansipos9940
6 ай бұрын
@@ButConsiderThis besides, I cannot run the 100 m in 9.02 seconds. Although, I want to. The g0d, whatever the g0d even is, already gives 0 fukk about my free will.
@jimmythebold589
6 ай бұрын
'freewill', or 'you secretly believe in god, look at the trees'. or 'you just wanna sin' and so on... it gets tiring, and they won't acknowledge our refutations, ever. it's the rare theist that deconverts, alas.
@DoloresLehmann
6 ай бұрын
When I was still a young Christian, I actually asked someone in my congregation if the biblical perspective wasn't that actually the devil was winning in the end. Their response: - No, because the devil will be destroyed. - Yes, but he will have dragged down a majority of people to hell. If God doesn't want anyone to perish, and still so many do, doesn't that mean that the devil succeeded in overcoming god's will? - No, because those people rejecting God will cause God not to want to save them anymore, and so everything will turn out according to God's will after all. - But didn't then the devil cause God to abandon his original will, meaning that he still won him over? I'm still waiting for a logical answer to this day. I think, back in the day, the answer was: "There must be some error in reasoning there, but I can't find it now."
@Giraffe919
4 ай бұрын
He sets up a standard that nobody can live up to, and then punishes you for not living up to it...
@maggienewton8518
6 ай бұрын
"I regret that I have made them." This is one of the most horrible things human parents can say to their kids. Selfish, hateful, devastating to hear that the one who gave you life wishes they hadn't.
@mpemberton7760
6 ай бұрын
@maggienewton8518 "I'll drown all my children except for the one good son and his family." Sounds like the idea of a filicidal maniac rather than a loving creator. And he didn't stop there. He annihilated his offspring in Sodom and Gomorrah because they were so wicked and out of control, but spared the one good son.
@LifeStrike2030
6 ай бұрын
Alternatively, if you also regret being born, it can be relieving, empathy building, and comforting to hear!
@maggienewton8518
6 ай бұрын
@@LifeStrike2030Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but I don't agree. Having the person who brought you into the world saying such things only reinforces your regret, makes you feel like you are not only of no value but a negative. Empathy building, yes, because you understand the pain of others who are reviled unfairly, but comforting, relieving? I don't see it. If someone regrets being born, it would be best if they get help and come to understand the value of life, how incredibly precious it is, and that they can be designers of their own lives, change what it is that makes them so unhappy. But again, maybe I misunderstand you here.
@LifeStrike2030
6 ай бұрын
@@maggienewton8518 I have been raped repeatedly from the age of 4 through high school. That kind of trauma cannot be healed. So I regret being born. It’s not my fault, and I’ve come to understand that, but it is my problem, and it can’t be fixed. Life is a bad deal for lots of people. And many of us want to leave. In that state, hearing that your parents understand they failed, understand they could not have done better, and therefore understand that life was just a mistake is incredibly comforting.
@maggienewton8518
6 ай бұрын
@@LifeStrike2030I am so very sorry. I cannot say anything, this is a terrible burden for you to bear. No words from me could ever be adequate or fair. Thank you for your courage.
@JoseNeto-fi5hu
6 ай бұрын
This is the exact problem that made me start questioning religion. Why do people that never had a chance to hear about God go to hell, meanwhile some terrible people will watch all of that from heaven because they were born in the right time. There are so many factors that determine whether a person is religious or not, the family you're in, your life circumstances, etc. The church people tried to gaslight me with general revelation to try and justify that everyone has a shot in heaven, and if that were the case (which is not), they would definitely have completely different opportunities, and after I pointed that out they just dismissed me and told me to stop questioning God. So much for a fair and loving God.
@user-bj7yc3cg8b
6 ай бұрын
How do you know that people who never had a chance to hear about God go to hell? We were all born with a conscience therefore if we do something wrong our conscience will convict us. So even if someone never heard the gospel they are guided by their conscience.
@aheartonfire7191
6 ай бұрын
God isn’t far from each of us and God can speak through dreams and visions and thing is, word travels fast so more people can know.
@ruvv_6464
6 ай бұрын
ok explanation: God is just. He will not send somebody to hell if they have never heard of Him. If somebody hears of Jesus but doesn’t believe, then it depends. If they just hear his name once then never again, that person has heard but is uninformed. God is just and will judge them according to what they knew.
@norrecvizharan1177
6 ай бұрын
Only unfortunate part is that the way the bible frames it, anybody who doesn't specifically put 100% of their trust in an entity they can't seemingly physically interact with would be tossed into hell. It's like the moment you hear about him, that's when they go "oop, you've signed the contract, better bow or face annihilation".@@ruvv_6464
@skinnyhedgehog
6 ай бұрын
@@ruvv_6464 Then isn't evangelism one of the worst things a Christian can do? Why do missions exist under this model? If someone has a 0% chance of being eternally tortured and you do something to raise it, that's beyond cruel.
@matterhorn731
6 ай бұрын
There's a story by Ursula K Le Guin called "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas." It describes a beautiful, utopian city full of healthy, happy people living lives of abundance and joy and peace, with beautiful art, magnificent festivals, and brilliant technology. With one catch. Locked away in a dark basement, subsisting on meager gruel, sitting naked in their own filth, is a child. They beg to be let out... but if they were, if even one kind word were spoken to the child, all the happiness and prosperity of Omelas would end. For those are the terms. Everyone knows this. Nobody likes it at first when they learn. But most accept it eventually, and make all manner of justifications for it. Save for a few. And they are the ones who walk away. This story has always reminded me of the ideas of Heaven and Hell I was taught. Heaven is supposed to be a great and glorious place, and the versions I was taught stressed that every good thing about life would be there (except maybe sex), at least once "heaven" extends to "the New Earth". Nature. Exploration. Art. Music. Games. Relationships. Fulfilling careers. Feasting. Dancing. And, of course, the imminent presence and glory of God, worshipping before his throne. There's just one catch. But rather than just one single neglected child, it's _the majority of humanity_ suffering eternally in the locked basement boiler room of the cosmos. No tri-omni God could allow this. And I could never lovingly serve or worship the kind of God who would.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
I LOVE THIS! thank you for sharing it. Getting that book asap.
@matterhorn731
6 ай бұрын
@@MindShift-Brandon It's just a short story. The full text should be available online. It's a quick read, but very poignant!
@kmgg5005
6 ай бұрын
thank you for posting this-, I love her work esp. the short stories. LeGuin was a beautiful writer of complex ideas!
@Nirmal-qo8gw
5 ай бұрын
There’s a saying that people have said to me. “Religion doesn’t ask questions”. That’s so true 😟. Once you ask questions, you are automatically a heathen and seen as a sinner😟.
@ricklamb772
Ай бұрын
Got questions? You can ask me.Ivecasked God many questions,hard ones,He's answered quite a few.
@jovenc4508
26 күн бұрын
@@ricklamb772 Did those answers happen to be things you wanted to hear already?
@darwinskeeper421
6 ай бұрын
If the general understanding of Christians is to be accepted, that God judges his fallible creations so harshly that they need to accept his mercy and praise him in order to avoid eternal torment, that would be horrible. The real problem is that this God doesn't reveal himself to humanity in a way that is obvious to all. Thus the vast majority of them have to take it on faith that God exists, has a plan and expects them to do certain things to avoid eternal torture. This is unbelievably horrible.
@jaycahuenga6416
6 ай бұрын
I wonder if this god is Angelica pickles on steroids. The only thing is karma doesn't get him somehow at the end
@Chuck-se5hh
6 ай бұрын
Well said.
@JoyRBradford
6 ай бұрын
Happy Sunday Brandon! I am 65 and have read the Bible 3 times but I don't know half of what you know about the Bible. This is why I enjoy your channel so much. ☀️
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Always glad to help give more information. Thanks for this!
@mr.c2485
6 ай бұрын
You simply didn’t have the power of the spirit ministering it’s truth. Lol! 🤓🤔😉😶🌫️🤫
@pondboy3682
6 ай бұрын
@MindShift-Brandon by the way, my impression of Unitarian Universalists after attending their church a few times is that they don't even care about being biblical anymore! They mostly meditated, read inspirational thoughts and poetry from any source they pleased, and discussed social justice issues. I even met an atheist who regularly showed up for food and discussion at the end, and he had several friends there!
@optimus_rhymes6955
6 ай бұрын
I can’t tell you how many nights I didn’t go to sleep because I didn’t know how to be “saved” when I was a kid. I’m 34 now, and just recently I found out most of my siblings experienced something similar. Pretty lame.
@GameTimeWhy
6 ай бұрын
Have you guys started healing? Deconstructing can take so long and has so many facets.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Lame to put it lightly. I hate the implications of most parts if this religion on children.
@mr.c2485
6 ай бұрын
My mom put plastic sheets on all of our beds…… What a thoughtful Christian woman she is!
@GameTimeWhy
6 ай бұрын
@@mr.c2485 for bed wetting?
@optimus_rhymes6955
6 ай бұрын
@@GameTimeWhy I definitely have. I started deconstructing about 2 years ago. Most of my siblings aren’t religious(there’s 9 of us). My oldest sister still is for sure, but everyone else is just indifferent. We’re all doing ok. Thank you for asking.
@breadfan7433
6 ай бұрын
"God doesn't send you to hell. You send yourself to hell." Which means there is a mechanism that God has no control over, that judges you independent of God for somehow *choosing* not to believe in God's existence with zero evidence, and then sends you to hell. Which means that either God is not omnipotent, or he chooses to not have control over that mechanism, which essentially makes him indeed send you to hell for not pretending to believe in him. Or, God doesn't send you to hell for not believing in him, and he should be ignored in favor of secular humanism until he stops using representatives and shows up himself (and explains himself for advocating for slavery). Another great video.
@Oracleofcrows
5 ай бұрын
God can do anything and choose to do anything. Fortunately He is Holy and Merciful. What He has chosen to do is on the appointed day separate Himself from those who rejected Him and chose their flesh instead. To be with Him is paradise. The current fallen world is our test of faith and obedience. Love your Father or rebel?
@breadfan7433
5 ай бұрын
@@OracleofcrowsInteresting. You are responding to a comment about hell without even mentioning the word "hell". Could it be an indication of cognitive dissonance on your part between the concept of an all-loving god and the concept of hell? Try again. This time, try not to dodge the issue, and address the concept of hell.
@DrewClark-ov5up
5 ай бұрын
@@Oracleofcrows "No one is cast off from the Lord forever." Lam 3:31 Anyone who rejects an all-good God isn't making a free will decision. Why would God exile someone who makes the wrong decision based on bad information?
@tomsenior7405
6 ай бұрын
Thank you for raising this topic. t has always troubled me that god almighty declares that we should love our enemies, meanwhile he tortures his in hell for all eternity (Except the devil who was given free reign to run riot). It still makes no sense. Apologists make my concerns worse by dancing around the question. Utterly pathetic.
@user-je5do6jn2f
6 ай бұрын
Nobody asked to exist. I choose to pursue humanism with my existence now. It makes the most sense with what little existence I've been given. I try deliberately not to be insufferable to others as a baseline behavior.
@wilberwhateley7569
6 ай бұрын
As Morty once said, “no one chooses to be born, nobody belongs anywhere and we are all going to die! So please, come watch TV.”
@shadowpony9312
6 ай бұрын
Hard to refuse being brought to existence when you don't even exist yet I suppose.
@timbertome2443
6 ай бұрын
Reminds me of a thought experiment I read a while back: -Would you choose to go live in a perfect utopia - one where immortality is granted, where suffering is gone, where useless pain is eradicated, where pleasure and growth of both mind and body is inexhaustible - if you knew the one catch? The one catch is that, in the center, deep within the foundations, there is a young child kept alive and tortured forever, to facilitate this utopia of billions. It you try to save the child, the utopia will collapse in an ecstasy of destruction. So the question is: is utopia of any kind or size **worth** the necessary suffering of even one being?
@mavericktjo4548
6 ай бұрын
Oh, I know this one! It's The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas Someone else in this comment section talked about it as well
@timbertome2443
6 ай бұрын
@@mavericktjo4548 Thanks! I had forgotten the name.
@mavericktjo4548
6 ай бұрын
@@timbertome2443 No need to thank me, just thanks that other person I mentioned!
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
6 ай бұрын
Sounds like the defense of communism
@dudeyaybruh3076
6 ай бұрын
The one thing different between this and Christianity. Is that in this story, it is a set rule that you can only pick one out of both options, but this should not be the case for the so-called omnipotent God. If he is so powerful, he should be able to make it that you can save the kid without sacrificing the joy of others. So even if your answer for this thought experiment is that it is worth it for one child to suffer for the happiness of billions, it still makes no sense for the case of Christianity, which makes the whole thing worse.
@Ponera-Sama
6 ай бұрын
If the Bible is to be believed, evil winning doesn't mean God lost, it means God won, because God IS evil.
@Ponera-Sama
6 ай бұрын
Except it's a plot twist that the writers did a shitty job hiding. It would be like the French guy in the mockbuster "What's Up: Balloon to the Rescue" saying out loud, repeatedly, in front of all the main characters, that he wants to take over the world and then the main characters being surprised when they discover he wants to take over the world.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
for sure, thats one of my three conclusions in the end, god is the evil one.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
6 ай бұрын
@@MindShift-Brandon For sure, this is Satan saying he's God.
@8h8_illustrates
6 ай бұрын
Which is at the least believable and consistent
@jpzz5915
6 ай бұрын
Calvinists be like: But seriously, die-hard calvinists think it is okay because the "everyone" are only the elects and everyone else is "vase of dishonour" and their deaths/suffering is to glorify God
@Johnmhatheist
6 ай бұрын
Questioning that which has been deemed to be unquestionable is so much fun. God doesn't like to be put to the test because he can't perform because he doesn't exist. As Thomas Westbrook said, "Be curious, but don't drink the kool-aid." Thanks again for the content you make.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Love holy kookaid! And thank you!
@bigdude8468
6 ай бұрын
But if you have already swallowed the koolaid, there is hope for recovery by renewing your mind with honesty & videos from champions of reality like this one. I drank the koolaid, but have been cleansing it out of my system for the last decade.
@Johnmhatheist
6 ай бұрын
@@bigdude8468 You're right. I've been in koolaid detox since August.
@JesseDriftwood
6 ай бұрын
Jesus really shot himself in the foot when he said “anything you ask for in my name shall surely be given to you”. The ultimate test of falsifiability.
@Johnmhatheist
6 ай бұрын
@@JesseDriftwood I can't tell you how many things I asked for in the name of Jesus that I'm still waiting to receive.
@hamobu
6 ай бұрын
It's amazing how similar God is to the leader of North Korea in attitude and behavior.
@Hexsmasher2099
6 ай бұрын
More like similar to Big Brother from 1984
@dawnalawrence6584
6 ай бұрын
@hamobu He's a lot like TRUMP too!
@earlt.7573
6 ай бұрын
@rboland2173 We're all gonna be in the cornfield😜 You are right on, fantastic comparison !!!
@velvetvideo
6 ай бұрын
I think there's a passage that says we are to obey our leaders because God puts those leaders where they are.....then I see certain countries around the world with these megomaniacal leaders and I'm chilled to my core.
@caffiend.
6 ай бұрын
What about its followers; blind obedience due to fear and /or brainwashing. The dictator has power over life and death in North Korea.
@ellyam991
6 ай бұрын
I recently gave up on my search of Christianity as the truth, and I spent about 2 years doing as best as I could to make it make sense, but I couldn't in the end. I sometimes grieve that time spent on what now looks like a mission that was doomed from the beginning, but I'm happy channels like yours exist. You are giving people more free time to live their life, instead of losing it to fruitless pursuits. I think this is the most valuable part of your channel really, you are helping people value their most valuable resource. Much love from Colombia ❤
@jdevlin1910
6 ай бұрын
Don't worry. If you hadn't done the journey, you wouldn't have reached this conclusion and would likely still be wondering about it now.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Appreciate that!
@ellyam991
6 ай бұрын
@@jdevlin1910 That is true. And I did learn a lot on the way here, but it's crazy to think how much time was invested into trying to find something that should be self-evident
@aaronlansford3269
6 ай бұрын
Even if one took 50.01% saved as “victory”, it’s still a sad outcome. One of the first struggles with my faith was trying to accept that 1/3 of souls were lost even before coming to Earth. It didn’t seem fair or loving when looking at an eternal outcome. I could never create anything knowing I would have to condemn 1/3 before time even began.
@genadiivanov784
6 ай бұрын
If we talk about christianity it's more likely 2/3.There are many religious people but only small part of them are christians and only one denomination can be true.The rest are going to hell.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
yes!!
@whitemountainapache3297
6 ай бұрын
What if it's all the inverse of eveything that we're taught? What if the Christian Sheep become perpetual sacrifices, brothers and sisters in Christ, acceptable sacrifices to God.
@ashley_brown6106
6 ай бұрын
The concept that God gave satan dominion over the earth always buffled me. In the bible it seems like God uses satan and his evil for his own purposes, like when he let satan into the garden of eden to SUCCESSFULLY tempt Adam and Eve
@Childfree334
6 ай бұрын
Don't forget allowing Satan to torture Job. Also punishing an innocent child for what David did. The list goes on.
@youtubestudiosucks978
6 ай бұрын
Satan must have that devlish good head game succubi are famous for for god to allow him to do anything he wants @@Childfree334
@omarcarpentiero
6 ай бұрын
Most of "Satan's" appearances in the Old Testament depict a being that is not God's enemy. He acts like an agent that follows God's orders to do "evil" things.
@carolebingham7262
6 ай бұрын
Hi Ashley if hell and satan were removed from the bible it would be check mate game over fear and manipulation eliminated
@norrecvizharan1177
6 ай бұрын
So from the sounds of it, god basically got super bored and went out of his way to create a world, then instigate conflict on it. Kinda makes sense in retrospect, as it gives him something to do, almost like a weird divine game of sorts where he appointed another creation (satan) to be an opponent. Giving him dominion over the earth is probably the only way it could've been a fair competition at that, considering the power gap. Of course, I don't really believe he's a real entity and such, but that just sounds like the most plausible (and maybe geekiest) reason if it ever was a thing.@@omarcarpentiero
@CatDaddyGuitar
6 ай бұрын
I like this perspective. It really brings to mind the ultimate narcissism of the god of the Bible... Why make a creation anyway? On top of being omniscient, he knew the loss and pain that was going to happen. I can only believe that "god" is a manifestation of human beings controlling the masses with fear and rewards you by being obedient. "To love me is to obey me". Dictatorship 101. Abusive father 101. I actually see the OT god as a serial killer.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Yes. Exactly!
@Childfree334
6 ай бұрын
"WHY make a creation anyway?" EXACTLY. Why does an all powerful, all knowing, all glorious King of EVERYTHING need mere humans to worship it? I am still waiting for Christians to answer this simple question.
@jaycahuenga6416
6 ай бұрын
Would Charles Manson be better??
@CatDaddyGuitar
6 ай бұрын
@@jaycahuenga6416 I would say no. Why would you think one murderous, manipulative entity should replace another?
@jaycahuenga6416
6 ай бұрын
@@CatDaddyGuitarto me they are similar or the same like other serial murderers before. They get a kick out of it
@PaulTempesta-id8wr
6 ай бұрын
Brilliant!!!!!!! I know I am probably alone here but I feel the same for the poor animals .for me if even one suffered it was not worth creating this whole thing
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Many thanks, Paul!
@theboombody
6 ай бұрын
Man, you must really hate nature then. I mean, I agree, it's not pretty.
@GameTimeWhy
6 ай бұрын
Yeah i never understood Christians comparing the god they define against a human parent. No matter how terrible your child is, do they deserve eternal torture? If you are all powerful/knowing/loving and they are still able to Fall then should you be punished for letting them?
@Hexsmasher2099
6 ай бұрын
_"You want to control people? Tell them a messiah will come. They’ll wait for centuries.”_ Chani, Dune Part Two Chani’s statement reflects a critical perspective on the manipulation of religious beliefs and messianic figures as tools for controlling populations and consolidating power. It underscores the potential for exploitation inherent in such narratives within religious and political contexts.
@Oracleofcrows
5 ай бұрын
But no one is controlled. People can have faith or they can rebel.
@kenhoover1639
6 ай бұрын
What an interesting idea! Before watching this video, I never even considered that God has already lost in what he supposedly wants for all of us.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Glad to provide something new. I think, by his own words, its more than clear.
@gamertag7676
6 ай бұрын
I went to church today as my pastor talked about how depressed young people were and how other religions can't give hope but only Christianity and Jesus Christ and he talked about a story from the Bible about how a woman washed and kissed Jesus feet with her tears, I found that story to be emotionally manipulative and even disgusting but that's just me (I go to church cause it's my families choice)
@istvansipos9940
6 ай бұрын
hang tough there. Soon, you'll be old enough. Then you can choose not to waste your time in churches. Now, 1 important piece of advice here to prevent trouble: unless you can start a life of your own financially, please, keep playing religi0n. Go to church, the whole 9 yards! yes, sadly, it is a dishonest strategy. I know. But it is way better then sleeping under the bridge. By the way, religi0n is dishonest, too. That might help. Stay safe.
@whitemountainapache3297
6 ай бұрын
It's all made up.
@TorianTammas
3 ай бұрын
2000 year old stories which might have resonated with a dead culture become more like a mill stone around the neck of Christianity. They sink like stone in water.
@greg-op2jh
6 ай бұрын
Hope you are having a nice weekend. Awesome video like always. When you said about the bibe, if we do not love him we are against him, we are his enemy. But we are supposed to love our enemies, damn! So true. It is irreconcilable! Sending you and your family love my friend.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Thanks so much, Greg! Always enjoy hearing what sticks out to you.
@SeekingTruth2023
6 ай бұрын
Hi Brandon, Oh, this video is amazing! (just as all of your videos are!) But in this video I realized even more, how open and freely you speak. Although I am an atheist for about a year now, I still have problems to actually speak things out loud, like: "God lost!". But let's face it, it's obviously so, as you just beautifully and logically explained. Although this topic was not new for me, I had a lot of new thoughts while listening to you. I love that you speak so clearly! Very calm, with explanations why you think so. I notice, how I get better to speak openly too. (This week we will have family reunion and they are all Christians, and I fear the topic of me being an atheist will come up...) it feels so liberating to just say out loud, what has been suppressed for so long. I learn so much from you. Especially to stay calm during conversations with Christians :) Brandon, you really change lives for the better. Very good work!
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Oh i get that! It took me a long time to feel so free and sure. Glad to be helping you now! Thank you for the kindness
@yacaattwood2421
6 ай бұрын
I hear the pain and sorrow in your voice, Brandon - and it’s visceral for you, as a father and husband The story of Job has always, always bothered me - believers will rush to the end, saying that God spoke to Job and restored health and family to him - so we’re to believe that Job felt no sorrow, loss or grief over the family that he had before God permitted Satan to kill them? Every account I’ve ever read of parents who’ve lost a baby and subsequently had another child don’t think their “rainbow baby” completely takes the pain of the first loss away Thanks for your continuing thoughtful presentations - continued health and safety be with you and your family!
@imjustsayingthough2261
6 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly. Job lost all his kids. So for some reason god and people think it ok because he got twice as many back. THAT IS JUST PLAIN CRAZY
@johntiggleman4686
6 ай бұрын
@@imjustsayingthough2261And why not restore his original children, instead of new ones. I don't care if it was twice, or thrice the number. Since we were lead to believe god was all-powerful, why not? Just a command, right? After all, in just a few words, everything popped into existence.
@HandofOmega
6 ай бұрын
I don't know what it says in the original Hebrew, but I have heard interpretations that claim that "restored" meant that God brought them back to life...certainly a modern retelling of the story would include that. One of the big issues here, and with religion as a whole, is that these stories are coming from an essentially "alien" civilization, and our cultural values have shifted significantly since then. For ex, for most of human history, infant mortality was so high that families not only had far more children than they tend to today, but when they inevitably lost some, it was considered ok to "replace" them by just having another child. Today we know that each child is unique and special, and having another won't make that pain go away, but that was the common wisdom back then. So, this story may well make more sense for its original audience than it does to us, along with all the other questions Brandon raises and we debate in the comments. Frankly, we've outgrown the Bible and need to either seriously update it, or just abandon it completely...
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Appreciate the care and love!
@robertmoore2049
6 ай бұрын
@@MindShift-Brandonyou deserve it, Brandon. Have a great day and see you soon on KZitem!
@Grayraven777
6 ай бұрын
If I was still a Christian I would argue that a similar analogy was used by Jesus describing his 100 sheep where 99 are left behind in order to find that one lost sheep, supposedly not wanting even one to perish, but being of sound mind and body, I now realize that this good shepherd analogy is about leading the sheep to slaughter by means of the narrow gate, where the livestock is forced to move straight ahead and cannot turn around and run back to the green pastures from whence they came. This is the true difference between the wide and narrow gates.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
oh wow, thats a really intersting take. Its not what the writers meant, but yes, in reality much closer to the truth.
@theboombody
6 ай бұрын
Not all pastures are green. Some are VERY far from it. Further than you'd imagine. If that weren't the case, shepherds would have no purpose. This is very true in the spiritual world. We got a lot of people who are in some very non-green pastures where they're addicted to a substance or two. They definitely need a shepherd. The question is, which shepherd do they need?
@theboombody
6 ай бұрын
@@reginacb79 I'm thankful for your work, and I agree that a religious experience may not help everyone get off of drugs, but what about some of the many who credit their delivery from drugs to a divine experience? You act like such people don't exist, or if they do, they were unsuccessful, or that they were better off being dirty than clean. As bad as drugs are, there's no way every person who turned to religion afterward was better off before. Perhaps a few were, but all? NO WAY. I can tell you right now if I left my religion for drugs, my family would be DEEPLY harmed and wouldn't consider my choice to be wise. Of course I'm not much of a religious addict. I'm not very active in my church.
@Grayraven777
6 ай бұрын
@@theboombody I apologize for the confusion, when I mentioned green pastures, I was simply referring to the psalm where the sheep are made to lay down in green pastures, however the rod and staff that "comfort" you, are only doing their job, until you're fat enough for the slaughter house, then the true nature of the shepherd is revealed as you are forced into that narrow gate of deception.
@theboombody
6 ай бұрын
@@Grayraven777 Well there definitely are a lot of false preachers out there whose intent is really to deceive for their personal gain. You're right about that. Whether ALL religion fits that bill, who knows. I don't believe that to be the case, although I'll never be able to prove it. I definitely believe that nature has some sort of intent in it that's beyond human intent.
@thegametroll6264
6 ай бұрын
The question I often have is if human beings aren't animals as believers often claim why do they treat non believers like they are no better than animals if they either don't want to believe or they are former believers that have chosen a life of autonomy away from religion? What makes them think their dehumanizing apologetic filth would make anyone in their right mind want to crawl back to the faith after learning things like you teach on your channel? Just me rambling again. Good video brandon. I feel like I repeat myself sometimes but I'll try to come up with better points in the future.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Always appreciate the comments. Thanks for taking the time.
@brandonf.6495
6 ай бұрын
It's crazy how many of your videos are exactly what I had been thinking for years when I was still Catholic. I'm glad to see I'm not alone! I recently deconverted and am now Agnostic, and people like you, Alex O'Connor, Genetically Modified Skeptic, Rationality Rules, and Paulogia have helped me deprogram myself a lot. Thank you!
@18471902
6 ай бұрын
It's crazy how many of your videos are exactly what I had been thinking (and having extreme difficulty in reconciling) for years when I was a devout southern baptist! I'm glad to see I am not alone either.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
So glad to here and what an honor to be in the mix with those guys!
@IheartDogs55
6 ай бұрын
What really gets me is this: John 1:1-5 states that Jesus actually is God himself. That means Jesus committed all of the atrocities attributed to YHWH in the Old Testament. This notion of Jesus being meek & mild is a load of nonsense. Christianity is spiritual poison.
@user-je5do6jn2f
6 ай бұрын
Eternity is a torture either way. All things come to an end, newness and rebirth are the goal, not stagnation...
@theboombody
6 ай бұрын
Rebirth is a HUGE Biblical theme.
@LuvtheJEm
6 ай бұрын
If god were real, he'd be to blame for me not believing. He would have created the standard by which i can be convinced and then failed to meet that standard.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Exactly
@hamobu
6 ай бұрын
The problem with arguing religion is that such arguments can never be resolved. Everyone already has all the available information incorporated into their position and because no new information is coming, there's no way to confirm or falsify any opinion.
@istvansipos9940
6 ай бұрын
"...there's no way to confirm or falsify any opinion." until religi0ns say something magical. Which they ALL do. For example a bolt from Zeus, or g0d knitting us in the womb. Then it is often easy to falsify religi0us claims. And then we have fast and cheap ways to communicate that. The info about falsified claims can land in every pocket in the first world within seconds, IF somebody cares enough to ask. And some people do. That's why we become less and less religi0us.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
6 ай бұрын
MindShift has thoughts many people have not thought of though. A different perspective. Once I learned about narcissism and toxic relationships, my eyes were opened.
@Rhewin
6 ай бұрын
Here's a new one for me: I brought up the parent analogy with an evangelical. As a father, nothing could bring me to banish my child to an eternity of torture. Their answer? Well, if they didn't accept Jesus, they aren't God's children, so that doesn't count. I cannot understand the lack of empathy.
@istvansipos9940
6 ай бұрын
"I cannot understand the lack of empathy." I can. Hateful indoctrination (for the honest bigots) pure bullsh!t (if they are just pretending) sunk cost fallacy, if they are real jesus fans knowing that they cannot win any debate without special pleading.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Its truly repulsive what people will justify to keep their eternal safety net.
@gwit4051
6 ай бұрын
Exact same energy of a parent disowning their child for not living up to some bs standard.
@theboombody
6 ай бұрын
The Bible doesn't really emphasize eternal suffering very much. It definitely emphasizes that suffering is a consequence of sin. But I don't think it mentions very often that sin is a web that there's no way to get out of. Or that the timeline of accepting Jesus MUST be before you die. It does say that there is a point where it may be too late, but doesn't specify exactly when that is.
@Rhewin
6 ай бұрын
@@theboombody It does, unless you try to soften it to say Hell is just an eternity of separation from God. If that is your definition, what does separation from God look like?
@JDrocks4ever
6 ай бұрын
The very concept of “I desire everyone to be saved” is what caused me to deconstruct. I kept running into walls. My last leg was “what about those who never heard the gospel?” If they can be saved through nature, then why did Jesus come? If people who were merely ignorant or not at the fictional age of accountability automatically go to heaven, then evangelism is counterproductive and we shouldn’t do it. When I allowed myself the freedom to challenge God on this, it was obviously contradictory to his Omni characteristics. Either he’s lacking Omni characteristics or he’s lying when he says he desires everyone to be saved. Both work against him heavily. If he wanted everyone to be saved, he would’ve made it so…or he’s not capable of making a world where that’s possible and is lying about his power/capabilities as if he is. Then you look at the scholarship of New Testament letters only to find that we don’t know who wrote most of them and the time period in which they’re written is too late. It becomes reasonable to conclude that the only reason that verse in Peter exists is bc people were starting to die and Christ hadn’t come yet, so the writer had to make up something to comfort the people, and the church in later centuries meticulously crafted the Bible with books and verses that would keep people in the faith. Your video on the age of accountability is probably my favorite one bc it just affirmed things I already knew and was ignoring. It was the most persuasive video for me tbh. It details out in clear language how f’d up the realities behind the concept of salvation actually is
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
appreciate that! it was so hard not to dig down deeper into both GR and AOA in this video, but was hoping the one you mentioned would suffice.
@JDrocks4ever
6 ай бұрын
@@MindShift-Brandon I think it’s makes sense to reiterate those concepts when they’re relevant. They all connect to the atrocities of this belief system and are probably the most powerful concepts that believers use to delude themselves whenever they have to think about the fairness of salvation
@billguthrie2218
6 ай бұрын
Well said, Brandon. Thank you for what you do. Church for unbelievers,.... Pastor Brandon.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Thanks, Bill!
@donharris8846
6 ай бұрын
Great points. And you don’t actually need to think that hard on it. We were already in blissful oblivion before birth, God placed our souls into random embryos against our will, we are charged with working against the common sense that God gave us to have faith in imperceptible magic, if not we MUST suffer eternal damnation and torture - according to Christianity. Makes zero sense
@tomjay63
6 ай бұрын
Was it any wonder that the Scriptures were inaccessible to believers for centuries, to whom they had the rely on the Church to share and interpret them? Nowadays with the Bible available to any literate person, the Church relies on their believers to not read it or to not try to understand it in its entirety.
@suicune2001
6 ай бұрын
Excellent video! If Yahweh doesn't want anyone to suffer in hell then he could just - you know - get rid of it. Problem solved. lol
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Right! Its really not that complicated. But the excuses that come out are insane.
@mr.c2485
6 ай бұрын
Or….he could simply take on the eternal suffering for himself while we all enjoy a heaven. Oh, that’s right, he claims he already did that. It didn’t work….
@suicune2001
6 ай бұрын
@@mr.c2485 He created angels and that didn't work, he created 2 humans and that didn't work, he killed essentially everyone on earth and that didn't work, he constantly tortured and killed his own chosen people to keep them in line and that didn't work, and he supposedly sacrificed himself to undo his mistakes and apparently that didn't work either. This deity is a loser. Lol
@theboombody
6 ай бұрын
Walter Wangerin said you can't have light without dark, or heat without cold. Not Biblical, but something to think about.
@suicune2001
6 ай бұрын
@@theboombody Then why didn't hell always exist? According to the now severely edited and manipulated Bible, at one point only heaven existed. So theoretically, only good existed. Then, Yahweh screwed it all up. Sheol used to be the place everyone went after death. Kinda like how everyone went to Hades in Greek mythology. It was a place to have your soul cleansed so you could be reborn. The process is painful, however. How evil you were in life would determine how long you had you to stay to cleanse the evil from you. Under this system, a baby who died shortly after birth wouldn't need to get cleansed and could be reborn right away. And people like Jaffrey Dahmer would have to stay for quite a while. That is a FAR more fair system than eternal suffering just because you didn't worship in fear to the correct sky daddy. Yahweh's system is unfair and is therefore evil.
@CB66941
6 ай бұрын
A good, able god would not have had to punish evil if he could have prevented it. After all, is that not what heaven will be? A place devoid of evil, and where its inhabitants have free will? Why didn't he do this on earth already?
@wilberwhateley7569
6 ай бұрын
If you take Christian mythology at face value, there *was* sin in Heaven and Lucifer led a full-on rebellion there (before being cast down into Hell, taking Lilith as a bride and siring Charlie Morningstar - or at least that’s how things go in The Gospel according to Vivziepop…). So, if it already happened once there’s no reason to believe that sin can’t manifest in Heaven and spark rebellion again…
@YNWA-1
6 ай бұрын
Brandon I will watch later this afternoon, I have to go to church now…only joking. Looking forward to watch and learn from your channel 👍🏼
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Lol. Love it. Thank you!
@markbarrios4370
6 ай бұрын
That was one of the first thoughts and realizations that I came to that got me started down the road of deconversion many years ago, that if everything in the Bible is true then the devil wins and god loses in the end.
@survive323
6 ай бұрын
Why all the red tape? God supposedly could have made it "perfect " the first time around. Obviously it was planned this way for God's amusement. There is no God and even if there was he doesn't care about anything but himself.
@Nero-Caesar
6 ай бұрын
Hasn't God already infringed on our free will by creating us in the first place?
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
I sure think so.
@user-je5do6jn2f
6 ай бұрын
I learned to bury my ego more as I got older. This helped with reasoning and helped me rely less on blind faith or luck where there was none. Fact-finding and logic can be as satisfying as they are frustrating, but it's worth their pursuit in the long-run.
@Efesus67
6 ай бұрын
I've had this thought too. But I've always wondered how to make Christians share this intuition.
@Tinman69
6 ай бұрын
Premise accepted and proven by the bible itself. That god is unbelievable.
@imjustsayingthough2261
6 ай бұрын
Hey Brandon, I agree evil has won. I think we need to get passed the idea that the good guy always win. It gives us false hope.
@blueStarKitt7924
6 ай бұрын
I understand. So, what are we going to do with our lives?
@imjustsayingthough2261
6 ай бұрын
@@blueStarKitt7924 I didn't say the good guys didn't win. We have to keep on keeping on. It's just that we need to know that the bad guys do win sometimes. Sometimes they win a lot. But then the good guys win and they/we win a lot
@blueStarKitt7924
6 ай бұрын
@@imjustsayingthough2261 🤔 Yes.
@HelloYellowShooBlue
6 ай бұрын
As a pastor’s child of a Pentecostal church, words do not express how much your videos provide comfort to me. I’ve been watching your videos for at least two almost three months now but have been afraid to comment because it makes what I’m going through more real. My entire family is heavily religious and I’ve played a big part in my church as I am the worship leader. To make a long story short, I feel like a fake now. It’s weird for me to lead worship and sing knowing that I’ve stopped believing. The only person who knows is my husband and he’s not particularly thrilled I’m losing my faith. He went through a doubt of faith a few years ago and unfortunately I freaked out on him due to my indoctrination and fear of being unequally yoked smh. I think he feels it would be more trouble than it’s worth for me to make this a thing with my family, and because we are trying to have children now he wants them to be raised in a more progressive church that teaches good morals and for our kids to have a good community without us becoming the black sheep of our family. The plan is to eventually leave my parents pentecostal church once our child is about 5, which that will be hell on earth for me because my dad thinks leaving his church is like rejecting him. But i also am starting to feel uneasy in church in general. I try my hardest not to roll my eyes when certain topics are preached like the “ram in the bush” etc. The only thing that still bothers me is the “gift of the Holy Ghost” I’ve spoken in tongues several times since i was a child, and it’s heavily practiced in my church. I’m not sure what to make of it anymore. It’s the only time I’ve felt a supernatural connection to God, but nothing else makes sense. I would absolutely love to hear your thoughts on speaking in tongues. Btw thanks for all the work you do!
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
I 100% get where you are and understand each angle! Its such a tough spot to be in. My tipping point, was do i want my children to also be in this tough spot someday when they figure out its not true or should i be the one to deal with the fallout now and make their path easier. Thats what helped me. I will get to a video on tongues. Long story short is our brain is capable of a lot of id encourage you to read godless by dan barker who was also an active worship leader when he finally deconverted. Lastly just a thought, but read back through all the reasons you are wanting to stay or hold on to some form the faith. Not one is because its real. Its just community and feeling and potential fear etc. im not dismissing those things, but i think stepping back and really seeing that is huge.
@HelloYellowShooBlue
6 ай бұрын
Thank you for this. I will definitely read the book. It’s such a tough spot to be in that it keeps me up at night. Looking forward to your video about speaking in tongues!
@xXEGPXx
6 ай бұрын
@@HelloYellowShooBlue Its tough, and will continue to get tougher for a long time, but it will be worth it. Speaking from experience
@TorianTammas
3 ай бұрын
@@HelloYellowShooBlue You are in a tough spot and only you know what is best for you, but do you want your kid in such a place you where the relations are broken up when one no longer believes in unicorns? If people accept one only as long one plays monopoly and believes in the monopoly prison is that a real relationship? You know what is best for you and let no other choose
@chenilleoneil1289
2 ай бұрын
You say it is “unjustifiable to create creatures against their will,” I agree wholeheartedly. But you unapologetically have brought children into this world.
@MindShift-Brandon
2 ай бұрын
I also did so when i was still a christian and believed thats what i was supposed to do.
@scrider5493
6 ай бұрын
Brandon, very revealing and instructive. This only furthers an idea that religion is less about theology and more about fellowship, networking, socializing and community. Many times I have heard, "Well, at least you Believe in Something", that Something could be a theology that is divergent from the speakers, but "Going to Church" trumps theology differences.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Great point. This religion has really left and even denied its root.
@user-kv2xy8rf3g
6 ай бұрын
A proper parent is never vindictive nor gleefully tormenting in the discipline of their offspring. Likewise, it is reasonable to espouse that an all-loving diety, who concurrently possesses all of the aforementioned characteristics, should never be vindictive regarding the punishment of its idiomatic children ❤Additionally, an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent deity would have noooo reason to actively or passively permit genocidal abominations or a single of the other adjects horrors of this world 🌎 as he would any other means by which to bring about his ultimate stratagem.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
1000%!
@user-kv2xy8rf3g
6 ай бұрын
@@MindShift-BrandonI have been amalgating an essay style commentary regarding the AKtion-T4, the miniature Holocaust that preceded the Final Solution. Reading indepthly about the about the mental and physical anguish experienced by the victms of the Nazi horror show, as well as hearkening to the worst nightmare stories from CPS agents, encapsulates my articulations regarding the absolute unnecessity of the utmost horrors in this world 🌎 under a system ordained by a omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient diety. 😭😟😭
@user-kv2xy8rf3g
6 ай бұрын
@MindShift-Brandon I'll finish my response later😅
@user-kv2xy8rf3g
6 ай бұрын
@MindShift-Brandon Hement Mehta, a famous atheistic KZitemr personality and an author of several books, has done a scrupulously encapsulating count up of how many individuals are terminated by Yayweh within the pages of his purported holy word. Let's encourage you to produce a video that has a mirrored nature.
@user-kv2xy8rf3g
6 ай бұрын
@@MindShift-Brandon Hement Mehta, a famous atheistic KZitemr personality and an author of several books, has done a scrupulously encapsulating count up of how many individuals are terminated by Yayweh within the pages of his purported holy word. Let's encourage you to produce a video that has a mirrored nature. Whose with me?
@tsebosei1285
6 ай бұрын
The hungry kids in Africa, UNICEF needs help to feed them because this god can't do it. UNICEF relies on donations to give tjem one meal a day. Those UNICEF and Doctors without Boarders cant reach die from starvation. This god doesn't exist, how can he allow someone to be born and die of starvation. The argument for his existence suffers a fatal flaw, lacks merit and should be dismissed with the most strongest conviction
@freeinmind3054
2 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly 👍
@DrumWild
6 ай бұрын
I have never believed in the Christian god, or any gods, regardless of whether or not they are available for purchase. In consideration of the Christian god and my situation as a life-long non-believer, I can only blame this god for generating my situation, setting me up to fail before I even started. Assuming this god is real, for the lulz: 1. This god gave me TWO parents, neither of whom ever mentioned religion in my upbringing. My father died in 2003 and I never knew if he had any beliefs. I learned my mother identified as Catholic when I was 43 years old. 2. In grade school, after the pledge of allegiance, I asked what "under god" means. This was THE golden moment for ANY of my Christian fellow students OR any of the Christian teachers to explain it to me, take me under their wing, and bring me into the fold. Instead, my fellow students chose laughter, mockery, aggression, and ostracization. Their parents chose to threaten me to "keep it to yourself, if you know what's good for you." The principal gave me daily beatings in lieu of having lunch. Starvation, physical punishment, and death threats are NOT how anyone should treat a first grader. If I understand correctly, this god gave me these parents, put me in the 1970 US Midwest, put NO GOOD CHRISTIANS in my life to lead me toward belief, gave me NOTHING in the way of ANY evidence to believe. And now, I am to be punished for this because I did nothing wrong. There is nothing moral about this. Punishment for not believing something that comes with no evidence is cruel, and it's mindless.
@DrumWild
6 ай бұрын
Adding to this, it is important to note that the Christians around me in the first grade FAILED at their ONLY job their god tasked them with. THEY were responsible for bringing me in and guiding me, and ALL of them FAILED. If anything, THEY should be punished for failing, not me.
@evanurena8868
21 күн бұрын
I may not mean much, but I'm sorry you had to go through this atrocity and it sometimes it hurts me inside when belivers talk so harshly about all nonbelivers as rebellious jeveniles when they don't know the full story. Stories like yours just make me wrestle with God's sovereignty in the bible even more and why some decent people like yourself got an unfair shot at life with no good influences that come to mind about believing or trusting in Gods plan, which i personally find to be minipulative and based more on exploting are biggest fears. My believing dad and brother always get frustrated with me because they think I'm just being too stubborn because we have been blessed with a good life thanks to God but then, I keep thinking about Job and tragedies like you're own where most things are curses rather then blessings and mention it to my loved ones where all they can say to me is that all will be revealed in heaven as it's our reward and that this world doesn't matter anyway, even though the uncertainty doesn't make it a guarantee. I don't mean to sound like a petulant child, but sometimes I just want to scream out loud and say all of this is unfair.
@kettei7743
6 ай бұрын
Happy sunday, judging by the description, this was one of the problems that personally drove me to universalism. If God created souls that he knew would end up in hell or anahilated, that means God failed to save everyone, something that falls short of a supreme, loving God
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
I have a universalism clause just for you lol. Jk. But moving to that conclusion to avoid this conclusion isnt a real answer imo. I’ll make my case against universalism in a soon coming video though.
@kettei7743
6 ай бұрын
@@MindShift-Brandon definetly will be there for that for sure👍
@jaycahuenga6416
6 ай бұрын
I expected much better from an "all knowing" yada yada yada "supreme being"🤣🤣
@davi.brasil
6 ай бұрын
Let's see what we have today.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Hope you enjoy!
@JamesRichardWiley
6 ай бұрын
The entire Bible is a long, sad story of a failed god and a string of failed prophecies. Join today.
@CheckmateSurvivor
6 ай бұрын
Don't be so sure. Everything written there will be fulfilled.
@TerryCrosslin
6 ай бұрын
@@CheckmateSurvivorlol
@abstraction6212
6 ай бұрын
A Fractured Legacy is an honest title.
@abstraction6212
6 ай бұрын
that and the entire story of humanity is a long sad story of a failed race with wasted potential and failed prophecies.
@abstraction6212
6 ай бұрын
Skynet is the real hero of Terminator
@wilberwhateley7569
6 ай бұрын
Jesus promised a paradise that would come in the lifetime of his disciples. Cthulhu promised to bring chaos, madness and death to all humankind. Seems clear to me that Cthulhu is winning…
@salort2934
6 ай бұрын
It’s very significant that in the geography where Christianity started, the dominant religion is Islam. Maybe I’m wrong.
@michaelhenry1763
6 ай бұрын
Good point. Those regions were ignored because of theological disagreements over the nature of Christ.
@18471902
6 ай бұрын
Buddhism began in India and has almost died out there, but moved to and is very strong in other areas of southeast Asia. Perhaps christian beliefs were more in keeping with the culture of Greece and Rome than the culture of the Middle East, so it took hold with more force in the former and from there spread throughout Europe and then to the areas Europeans colonized. Maybe Islam is more in keeping with the culture of the Middle East, though it has spread to other distant parts of the world.
@Oracleofcrows
5 ай бұрын
Prophecy. The gospel of Jesus would go out to the Gentiles, into every corner of the world.
@user-uo7fw5bo1o
4 ай бұрын
@@Oracleofcrows There are still uncontacted tribes in the world so the gospel hasn't been spread to them. And the insularity of the North Sentinelese who would kill people who tried to come ashore their island has guaranteed and will guarantee that the gospel _won't ever_ be preached in every corner of the world.
@enough1494
6 ай бұрын
I questioned and pondered this very question since very young…….thank you!
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
My pleasure.
@onedaya_martian1238
6 ай бұрын
Putting the detailed scriptural locations on the screen is much appreciated ! Yet another great rebuttal to accepting the ancient anthology as a world framework !! One recommendation "Keep thinking" seems like a good but weak signature ending. "Live your life." has been taken. After these mic dropping presentations, perhaps end with a little more profundity that matches the power of the excellent work done !
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Appreciate all that and glad you liked the sources in screen. Im open to a better ending but honestly i do love the simple suggestion. It’s kinda the theme of the whole channel. To have a mind shift requires one not to turn it off and thats what so much of religion does.
@onedaya_martian1238
6 ай бұрын
@@MindShift-Brandon You are awesome Brandon and your work is very very important. The hope is to help, not just by watching, commenting and recommending, but to perhaps provide that sparkle to get more views. Best of regards.
@Caldenor328
6 ай бұрын
It’s fairly easy to see that God is essentially an iron age sky god that is fickle, angry, and petty.
@BoxingSavedMe
3 ай бұрын
Like you loser you describe yourself
@HandofOmega
6 ай бұрын
I have a long argument I make to people, but it basically boils down to: "If Hell really does exist, then God has to be Evil." That's why Hell was the first belief I was easily able to let go of, as it just makes ZERO sense! Also, the idea that Good people are condemned to Hell for not believing, while Evil people CAN make it into Heaven through last-minute belief, makes a mockery of the very concept of Divine Justice! Has it not occurred to folks that this means that many innocent victims of rape and murder may actually have to spend eternity alongside their abusers/killers, and just be ok with it (unless they weren't believers, in which case they are burning eternally, despite being good people in life)?! On top of all THAT, what kind of Heaven can there be when you KNOW people, whether they deserve it or not, are roasting in agony elsewhere? Maybe that's why the constant praise of God has to be endless, if you let it quiet down, you'll hear the distant screams of the damned. But don't complain about it...despite the fact that you made it, God can always let you know that there's always still room for one more down there... (This is why I find the Eastern idea of Bodhisatvas more appealing: The idea that truly Good people just can not allow themselves to sit and enjoy heaven until ALL are saved from hell is FAR more indicative of love, compassion and forgiveness than anything I've heard about in the West.)
@dancinswords
6 ай бұрын
I was just looking at antinatalism, so this made me realize that if eternal torment is on the table at all, as even a _remote_ possibility, antinatalism would probably be the only right thing. It would solve the "continuing vs starting a life" distinction as well, since opting out of life early is a 1-way ticket to eternal torment; it would suck enough that we all have to deal with this unwinnable Pascalian wager, we certainly wouldn't want to be bringing anyone else into it. & of course a good God wouldn't want to create anyone either. He doesn't even need to know what _will_ happen, he just needs to know the risks. _If the risk be so great, you must not create!_ 6:06 The king having to fight another kingdom reminds me of the "it's better for God to triumph over evil than to disallow it in the first place" theodicy. By that logic, it would be better if the king _had_ engineered the situation where the other kingdom attacks, rather than maintaining peaceful relations.
@berkah6240
6 ай бұрын
Just started the vid...I like that you are more front and center now, and I still like the background picture. 40k subs are right around the corner!
@Johnmhatheist
6 ай бұрын
He definitely deserves all of those subs. I'd even say he deserves 400,000 or even 4 million.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Yes, why did it take me so long to simply move the desk up, ha! And thank you!
@Johnmhatheist
6 ай бұрын
@MindShift-Brandon I will definitely watch you on deep drinks tomorrow. What time CST does it start?
@berkah6240
6 ай бұрын
@@Johnmhatheist Yes, there are so many aspects to talk about regarding this topic and how it affects the world today, I think he will continue to grow. Skillwise he's one of the best, especially coming from a former Christian, close to the Bible, perspective which appeals even to Christians that might want to understand arguments they would encounter from the other side while 'witnessing'. I do see it's easier for the Christian apologists to reach millions of views just bc they have a wider audience in the US, but I also feel like there has been a void in this space since the fading of the four horsemen.
@dougt7580
6 ай бұрын
Thank you for another wonderful video Brandon. I came to the same conclusion during my deconstruction. Unless you're a Universalist Christian, it's hard to rationalize any other conclusion than that the Christian God has lost control of its own creation and is now just salvaging some scraps. That's why I often comment and just that the the only 'omni' the Christian God possesses is omni-incompetence. Once again thank you for the content that you put out. As someone living in the deep red state of Nebraska and having to put up with constant slander and disparagement of non-christians, (and especially atheists!) It is cathartic and quite frankly, comforting to hear from similarly minded individuals, and especially those who came out of deeply religious backgrounds.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Appreciate that so much, and yes I too am surrounded. What part of Nebraska are you in? Certain parts would be harder than others I believe.
@Uryvichk
6 ай бұрын
Justice is people getting what they deserve. Perfect justice is every person getting exactly what they deserve, no more and no less, at all times. If even once any person has gotten less (or more!) than they deserve, then perfect justice has already been falsified and can never be recovered. You can't fix perfect justice once it stops being perfect, all you can do is compensate, and compensation is a substitute for the failure of justice. The Problem of Imperfect Justice is vastly more of an issue than the Problem of Evil, because it could be the case that everyone is compensated and nobody is lost AND YET perfect justice can still have failed, so if a God is supposed to be perfectly just, I already know that God doesn't exist. The only way to argue otherwise is to claim that what we see is in fact perfect justice, that every infant who dies of starvation had it coming and every Wall Street thief who scams millions and walks off scot-free merited his windfall, a position so delusional it can't be taken seriously even as a what if. So either God doesn't exist, or whatever God does exist has no particular interest in operating justly, which makes them impossible to trust; who is to say you won't be betrayed or used and eventually "compensated" for it?. Also, annihilationism in its traditional forms is still monstrous. God BRINGS PEOPLE BACK TO LIFE to murder them again, after judging them and calling them bad people. What kind of petty behavior is that? Just leave them dead if you don't want them around anymore!
@ChixieMary
6 ай бұрын
I'm still waiting for the explanation of how anything, other than what this tri-omni god's desires, will, wants etc, exists at all. Wouldn't everything just be the way that God decided?... wanted? Oh nevermind, its so illogical... ❤❤ Ya Brandon. Great video.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
lol, thank you!
@Isaac_L..
6 ай бұрын
Just went over the problem of evil in my philosophy of religion class. I didn't used to think it was that big of a problem for Theism, now its almost as big of a deal to me as divine hiddenness. That said I understand why it isn't a big problem for most Christians (and by extention atheists), and that's because the Bible specifically accounts for the existence of evil. So most Christians, rather than comparing the incompatibility of evil with the idea of a tri-omni God, instead compare the existence of evil against the Bible and then get the idea of a tri-omni God from the Bible. In other words, instead of seeing evil as evidence against a tri-omni God, they see evil as evidence for the truth of the Bible which they see as evidence for a tri-omni God. Thats why your argument in this video is really good. It expresses the problem of evil in terms of the Bible, forcing the Christian to directly compare their idea of God against the existence of eternal suffering. I think too many Christians rationalize victory in terms of whether they personally get to heaven or not, and don't think about it in terms of others. I suspect thats partially resultant of the us vs them mentality thats so doninant in the culture, which diminishes the suffering of people outside their ideology. The Christian can (partially) get around this by appealing to annihilationism, but doing so conflicts with the Bible (in my opinion) so you already need to lack a strong view in the innerrency of scripture. Then your using a more intuitive (and correct) idea of a tri-omni God and then the more general problem of evil starts to become more concerning.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
well put, and yes many of these excuses is exactly what lead to these other ideas. Christians who couldnt rationalize it all working together found scriptural basis for annihilation or universalism etc. Thats the problem with a vague book of 800k words that has so many conflicting statements. If you dont like one version, you just say the next is the correct one.
@frijofroisdeern3783
5 ай бұрын
A mother is only as happy as her unhappiest child
@cravenlestat7006
6 ай бұрын
Imagine creating a game called "I win" then coming up with the rules and even seeing every outcome in advance will be to your liking and then you smugly play your first game and.. You lose -God
@stevenhogenson4880
6 ай бұрын
How is infinite punishment for the actions during a finite existence in any way reasonable or just?
@micheal74rich
6 ай бұрын
This answer is found in Islam and according to Islamic understanding. There is horizontal sin and there is vertical sin. Horizontal sins that are men doing against other men. Vertical sin is that when you victimize God Himself, it is the vertical sin. If you sin against finite being which are consider horizontal sins and then you leave Earth without rectifying those damaged you cause, you did not seek forgiveness from those victim and you did not seek forgiveness from God, then you would could be subjected to time in hell for short period in hell, the time in hell is temporary, when that time is expired you will enter paradise, according to Islam. If I sin against you, I must seek forgiveness from you first, before I turn to God in seeking forgiveness, because the victim of my sin is you in this case. When you take a false deity in the place of God, you victimize God Himself. In this case, if one dies with this sin, there is no forgiveness before God, because God Himself is the victim of this particular sin. Quran 4:116 Allah forgiveth not (The sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this: one who joins other gods with Allah, Hath strayed far, far away (from the right). Have you read the Quran? Quran is literal words of the One who created you, seriously it is. God speaks in first-person narrative in the Quran.
@micheal74rich
6 ай бұрын
There are over 200 verses in the Quran where God repeated Himself over and over, that God forgives those who turn to HIM.
@wolverjedi4917
6 ай бұрын
I don't understand how if the wages of sin are death then how come a God would decide to create a hell. If the punishment is death then just let people die eventually. Why go out of your way to add to the punishment out of spite? There doesn't need to be a second death. It comes off less like the nature of sin just leading to death and more like a petty creator adding more punishment because he is angry.
@TheSilentEntity
6 ай бұрын
You can just tell the writers of the bible were all normal humans. None of them achieve the goal of sounding like gods perspective. They all make god sound just like a human with power.
@krisbest6405
5 ай бұрын
Yes....also think this is " a" hell of sorts . Everday our lives are tested, l appreciate waking up to a warm shower, 2 alive adult children living elsewhere and, 6 naughty pets. I try to not fall for traps out there full of fear. Fear feeds this world and created the evil.
@StevenMyers-wx6du
Ай бұрын
If a tri-omni God would that none should perish, THEN NONE WOULD PERISH! It’s that simple.
@DrakeTimbershaft
6 ай бұрын
In my malleable youth, 12 or so, I watched “The Omen” over at a friend’s house on cable. Throughout my childhood, I was certain that god would triumph in the end. After seeing this film (which I wrote off as silly in my adulthood), where people died gruesome deaths if the challenged Satan and there was no sign of god intervening and WORSE, the child who becomes the Antichrist in the story survives, I had a fearful thought: What if , in the end, Evil is the victor? There were two more sequels. In the third, the story hems and haws that god was triumphant. Still I thought: Why didn’t god intervene SOONER? Superman defeated Lex Luthor in record time, but the ultimate force for good in the universe is mute and not present? Again, I grew up and saw the “Omen” movies as schlock, but still the seed in my mind was planted and I couldn’t uproot it. Over time, I concluded god was either impotent or nonexistent. To think I owe part of my voyage to atheism to a horror flick where Leo McKern wanted his named scrubbed out of the credits. “The Omen” wasn’t the main thing that got the ball rolling towards godlessness, but it played its part. Rambling aside, Brandon, you articulated this issue of god’s “defeat” far better than a 12 year old could!
@eljefe8149
6 ай бұрын
Yeah if my ultimate destiny is to end up in hell, I'd rather not have ever existed
@ZenWithKen
6 ай бұрын
What is it that a belief in god does to a person, that they can ignore what you said in this video? What part of you dies so that you are okay with other going to hell? What is it that makes you okay that I was specifically created to go to hell? Have these people any humanity left?
@robertsandberg2246
6 ай бұрын
As a Christian, I struggled with this for a long time. Thanks for the video Brandon. Very profound.
@mr.c2485
6 ай бұрын
Good morning! Time to think..
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for being here for it!
@lawtonbrewer4107
6 ай бұрын
I'm glad you mentioned Calvinism. Calvinists like Sproul, Washer, and MacArthur are quite comfortable in asserting that God knew from eternity past who would be saved and who would be damned. In fact, he ordained theses destinies. Yet, in their cockeyed view of things, the damned still deserve their damnation. They have ingenious excuses for verses that claim God wants to save everyone (lots of terms and conditions apply). John Wesley said, to his credit, that predestination (Calvinism) makes God worse than the devil.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
right! its the most honest view of christianity, biblically speaking, but makes this god unacceptable to any just or fair minded person.
@ColinWrubleski-eq5sh
3 ай бұрын
I am not sure who scares me the most out of that trio... though the list could have tossed in "Dr." Steven J. Lawson as well --> 'Most people end up tormented in hell because of God's glorious "Sovereign Grace" ' (Oh, and interesting to see the rather high net worth of Lawson alleged to have steadily and consistently gone up over the years, from c. 31 million dollars in 2021 to 53.2 million in 2024. "How hard it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God...") // Well, that sort of Grace doesn't seem to be so amazing, t.b.h.>>>
@lawtonbrewer4107
3 ай бұрын
@@ColinWrubleski-eq5sh None of them are doing badly for themselves.
@zeitgeist5134
6 ай бұрын
It is odd to me that people think that the Biblical God is good. If you believe that the story is literally true, God massacred a whole planet of people in the flood, including old people, children, toddlers, and babies. Likewise with the Exodus from Egypt: When God slaughtered all Egypt's first-born sons, we are talking about children, toddlers, and babies. And take a look at God's instructions on the conduct of war in Deuteronomy 20. ISIS must have been following God's instructions to the letter. Deuteronomy 20 is a manual for ISIS. This fiddly thing about souls being saved or not seems trivial in comparison.
@relic940
6 ай бұрын
Copied from a meme: Every single human being has a theory about God, soul, and life. The ignorant ones are satisfied with their theory. The wise ones doubt it. The awakened ones have become free from it.
@jaflenbond7854
6 ай бұрын
The REAL and RAGING BATTLE to the DEATH on PLANET EARTH - ATHEISM and RELIGIONS versus GOD and JESUS CHRIST ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on Earth for the VICTORS ETERNAL DEATH, worthless and useless dusts on Earth forever for the VANQUISHED Atheists WANT all human beings to hate and dishonor God and believe their claim that God doesn't exist and the BIBLE is not the "Word of God" and source of Truths but just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales. CHRISTIANS, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions WANT all human beings to hate and dishonor Jesus Christ and reject his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" and believe instead their UNBIBLICAL teachings and doctrines about "Trinity", "heaven and hellfire", "Armageddon", "rapture", and "reincarnation" But the FACT remains that the lives, dignities, and existence of human beings are of great worth, value, and importance to GOD. GOD KNOWS that all lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful persons on earth who rejected Atheism and the UNBIBLICAL teachings and doctrines of Religions about "Trinity", "heaven and hellfire", "Armageddon", "rapture", and "reincarnation" as worthless and useless and willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" will definitely bring themselves honor and his favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on Earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death. GOD KNOWS that all human beings will just return to dusts after their deaths just like the animals but he knows too that the teaching of his Christ about the "RESURRECTION of the DEAD" is the guarantee that he will not let all loving, kind, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others to remain as worthless dusts forever, instead, in the right and proper time, he will let Jesus Christ RESURRECT them back to life so they can happily, abundantly, and peacefully live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
@pigeonanimations6118
6 ай бұрын
@@jaflenbond7854this is the most brainwashed thing I've ever heard
@XalpeN16
6 ай бұрын
@@pigeonanimations6118Honestly, it becomes difficult to differentiate whether these religious comments are troll bait or authentic stupidity.
@jaflenbond7854
6 ай бұрын
@@pigeonanimations6118You have your own life and free will.... no one is forcing you to do anything against your will but just like all Atheists and Christians, you too are obviously opposed and against God's Sovereignty and his Christ's authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" The FACT remains that God and Jesus Christ are also opposed and against you, Atheism, Christianity, and all Religions in the world GOD KNOWS that all Atheists are opposed and against his Sovereignty, will, and commandments. Atheists KNOW that they hate GOD and WANT their own families and neighbors to dishonor and hate God too and believe their LIES and false claims that God doesn't exist and the BIBLE is not the "Word of God" and source of Truths but just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales. Jesus Christ KNOWS that CHRISTIANS, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions are opposed and against his BIBLICAL authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" Christians and fanatics of all kinds of Religions KNOW that they hate Jesus Christ and WANT their own families and neighbors to hate Jesus Christ too and reject his teachings as worthless and useless and believe instead their LIES and UNBIBLICAL teachings and doctrines about "Trinity", "heaven and hellfire", "Armageddon", "rapture", and "reincarnation" But the TRUTH remains that the lives, dignities, and existence of human beings are of great worth, value, and importance to GOD. GOD KNOWS that his favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on Earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death is NOT for Liars and spreaders of Lies and deceits, not for arrogant, cruel, and merciless persons but ONLY for all lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful persons on earth who willingly submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead". GOD KNOWS that all Atheists, Christians, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths but he knows too that he will not let all loving, kind, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others to remain as worthless dusts forever, instead, in the right and proper time, he will let Jesus Christ RESURRECT them back to life so they can happily, abundantly, and peacefully live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
@quintonstorm
2 ай бұрын
This is a great listen & well spoken. Awesome job
@Neobrian30
6 ай бұрын
I feel like crying because of the truth. Thank you for this.
@TwiisTed19
6 ай бұрын
Hey, this is a random question, and I'm not sure if its a bad/dumb one (or the best way to phrase it), but if someone is a Christian, why would you want to continue living on Earth if you are a true believer. For example, why would a Christian ever want to recover from terminal illness? Shouldn't they want to go to heaven as soon as possible. It also seems like a guarantee because if they survive and deconstruct later, they might end up in hell. Why take that chance. Or, for instance, is it not terrifying to have a child and he/she lives past the "age of accountability"? I don't know, it just seems like if I were in a position where I believed in a heaven and that I was saved, I would want to die as soon as possible just in case my mind changed.
@MindShift-Brandon
6 ай бұрын
100%! This is the only logical conclusion for anyone that realllly believes their father this why Paul said to die is gain. But its working against our evolutionary instinct to survive and then they add in all the excuses of well god has a plan for me, i havent done my part yet etc.
@TwiisTed19
6 ай бұрын
thanks for the response! and yeah that makes sense @@MindShift-Brandon
@Chillianaire
6 ай бұрын
It all depends on the person I'm a Christian and I live to learn I'm a curious soul that observes life and my faith is mine alone why would I stop believing despite that harsh world life is still worth experiencing seeing the world grow making choices going fishing getting married learning about good and evil but again every soul has their own individual story instead of worrying about other people's story I focus on building my own people spend so much time complaining about other people's journeys as long as your journey and experiences are safe fun loving and fruitful why does it matter we are only human we aren't God just ask him that when you meet him if we get through this messed up world first lol
@TwiisTed19
6 ай бұрын
thanks for the insight, but i dont really think this addresses the point of my question@@Chillianaire
@Chillianaire
6 ай бұрын
@@TwiisTed19 I'll be honest no one wants to be on earth it's scary terrible harsh and sad I wish I could leave this place all the time I even say man can we be done already I'm ready to go feeling I don't belong here but then again what can we do we are only humans but when you truly believe if you want (free will) then life is just about exploration understanding and having faith consider it like molding your place in heaven finding your true self on earth before leaving throughout life i learned so much about who I am what I desire the meaning of love i would of missed out any other way but all in all I'm not worried cause just like I'm married to my wife I would never change my mind and marriage is a perfect example of commitment so if your faith is strong then you know that this life is an experience and remember this world was a creation of (Free Will) and now we see what other humans do with their own free will so what will you do with yours?
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