I had to reupload the video to test something out. If you guys could leave a like and comment on this video too i would greatly appreciate it!
@James_Rustled
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, I can’t believe it never for a second crossed my mind he might be a mimic tear. It seems to add up really well, especially with the cut quest dialogue. Which admittedly is shaky ground due to being cut, still it just connects so well
@Cool_Adam
2 жыл бұрын
Holy shit same...I am actually stunned
@BadBob18
Жыл бұрын
Well, it probably didn't cross your mind because Radagon never exhibits any visible signs of being a mimic. Zero. So, this is all make believe.
@ripvanwinkle3432
4 ай бұрын
Probably the best theory on Radagon I've come across so far.
@Monsterassassin3
4 ай бұрын
@@BadBob18his arms are degenerating in the same way Albinaurics arms and legs degenerate, his skin is also gray like a mimic tear
@donovan4222
Ай бұрын
I think he’s a part of Marika that she discarded to become a god, similar to St. Trina and Miquella
@SI-po4qp
2 жыл бұрын
This is legitimately the best theory I’ve heard and, unlike most others, actually makes the story make a lot more sense. You should be more popular- this is top tier shit!
@mrlucy7197
2 жыл бұрын
I like this theory. It also adds up with how the Finger Slayer Blade looks like a distorted Sacred Relic Sword- the sword the elden beast made from Radagon's body. Since you find the Finger Slayer Blade in Nokron, its possible that their attempts to make a lord resulted in them using the mimic lord to make fingerslayer blades- weapons that can harm the Greater Will and its vassals. Marika might have simply taken her mimic and made him a lord, with the intent to use him to make a weapon to defy the Greater Will, but her plan fell apart when she was imprisoned.
@mattb6616
Жыл бұрын
i think she actually made it out. Radagon was imprisoned in her stead, and Marika cast away her body similar to Ranni and became Melina.
@theDoctorwitTardis
Жыл бұрын
Marvelous theory! It offers an explenation to why Radegon became the next Elden Lord yet lore-wise seemed to have come out of nowhere, unlike Godfrey or Marika herself. It also shines different light on one of my favorite somber item description: "As the husband of Rennala, the red-haired Radagon studied sorcery, and as the husband of Queen Marika, he studied incantations. Thus did the hero aspire to be complete." The very last line especially envoced to me that Radegon felt like he wasn't enough. That perhaps to live up to the mantel of Elden Lord he strived for perfection. But in the context of your theory, it seems he may've been trying to find himself, to be his own individual and more than just a copy of Marika. "Aspire to be complete" suddenly sounds like a wish to be more than just an echo of another being but a being in its own right.
@AlbertusSalvatierra
2 жыл бұрын
Also - just got whatever reason, Radagon’s internal name is “Distorted Marika,” while Melina “Daughter of Marika.” The Nox “Marika’s lineage” while Silver Tears are simply “Mother Slime.”
@JamesBond-jj9oc
2 жыл бұрын
yeah i have a theory that melina is maybe a mimic or a some manifestation of marika. she born from the erdtree, calls marika her mother like broc calls her mother, born bodyless, and fear the 3 fingers because its the only one that can destroy the erdtree. i dont know maybe im crazy :D
@SophiaLilithUwU
2 жыл бұрын
@@JamesBond-jj9oc She could simply be her child, like Malenia and Miquella are. She fits the naming scheme, her hair has a pink tinge (pink is red mixed with white, the hair colours of her parents and siblings), and her birth curse would be being born bodyless, just as malenia is always decaying and miquella is always young.
@JamesBond-jj9oc
2 жыл бұрын
@@SophiaLilithUwU its just dont fit it on my brain honestly and i have reasons ! Marika-Melina, margit-morgott, renna-ranni, is something there... In my humble opinion, i think marika create another herself to be a maiden for some tarnished that have a destiny of becoming the elden lord and Change the world. On our Journey she actualy tell us the land between is on bad shape, that someone need to do something . Sophia try thinking about that
@SophiaLilithUwU
2 жыл бұрын
@@JamesBond-jj9oc i do think melina was created by marika to affekt change in the world while she was stuck in the erdtree. Melina does say her mother put her on the path to changing the lands between and her internal file name is DaughterOfMarika, i think that pretty much a given. Now, the real question is weather or not she is also the daughter of radagon, or if she was a creation of marika alone, which could make her simply an extension of markia's will.
@JamesBond-jj9oc
2 жыл бұрын
@@SophiaLilithUwU well, we hope DLC will answer all our theorys 😁
@eveykhan
2 жыл бұрын
It also puts into perspective that the secret message in the capital says Radagon is Marika, and not the other way around.
@kumorineleo
Жыл бұрын
i've been thinking about this theory for days, and I think Radagon as Marika's mimic is made more convincing because it parallels a lot of things with Sekiro's lore. The Senpou monks separated from Ashina up on the mountains were trying to make a copy of the Divine Heir. They ended up with hundreds of failures (and dead children) until they got it right once. That was what the Divine Child of Rejuvenation, and she also shares Kuro's ability to access the powers of the Divine Dragon (like she can grant Sekiro another resurrection node when given the Sakura Droplet). The Divine Child of Rejuvenation is a successful copy of Kuro, just like how Radagon was. In the Dragon return ending in Sekiro, Kuro is merged inside The Divine Child, and they become one. I saw somewhere that the development for Elden Ring was concurrent with the development of Sekiro, and perhaps the themes in Sekiro influenced the development of the lore behind Marika and Radagon.
@UltraStarWarsFanatic
2 жыл бұрын
Also worthy of note: the clearest other example of two individuals sharing a single soul is D. And what do you know, D's twin happens to spend his days chilling in the lost Eternal City of Nokron...
@KosOrSomeSayKosmo
2 жыл бұрын
The discovery of those red locks in the amber egg is wild! As far as Radagon being created by the great rune of the unborn, ie the amber egg, i think there are things to consider. Radagon led two wars against the Carians before marrying Renala, so he was created before this. Also, the amber egg is unique, as it's the great rune of the unborn, but doesn't resemble the other great runes that the demi gods claimed after the shattering. Instead it's encased in amber, presumably from the Erd tree. I think, as a supreme Nox with life crafting talent, Marika as the leader of the golden order used gold (the rune, the amber) instead of silver to create a golden lord, Radagon, a true equal that could match her gifts. As the major conflicts at the birth of the golden order were winding down, she found herself needing Godfrey and his barbarism less and less (he even took on the beast serosh to quell his lust for battle). With Radagon a distinct entity living within her, Marika could leverage a warrior and academician Lord, while also knowing exactly what they were up to. Finally, we know Radagon is somehow linked to the fire giants. I would think that in the war against the fire giants, Marika realized their incredible power, and saved some of their hair, which she added to the amber egg when creating Radagon. Not only would he hopefully gain some of their strength, but just practically it would give him red hair as opposed to Marika's blonde hair, further differentiating them.
@Kosmos_er
2 жыл бұрын
Very good points, i tend to agree with everything you brought up.
@Cybermaul
Жыл бұрын
The hair in the egg is a leftover of the egg containing lots of those scholars in it. The hair is actually black, but looks red when reflecting the amber.
@patrickkinnear8625
3 ай бұрын
I think Marika was cursed by the giant's fell god, giving her red hair. I think she made radagon to transfer that curse to another. That other being the mimic tear radagon
@KKMDB
2 жыл бұрын
Ahhh, this is it! Sh*t! The game developers may have cut that content about Asimi because it would have made the Radagon mystery way too obvious. Well, the cat's out of the bag now. Nicely put together video, so much evidence! Fascinating lore by the devs and writers I must say. Very impressed! I'm sure this revelation is planned for future addtitional content. So we're somewhat spoiled, but honestly I'm VERY satisfied to know this.
@BrassPetals3Voices
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe it would be revealed that we, the Tarnished are a/the mimic? I can see that as well given how fluid and changeable character build can be over the course of gameplay, not to mention how we alone are able to harness and use the power of the demigods where others had failed. We basically become the culmination of all the demigods, and in turn accomplish what we (may have) been created for. Hard to say.
@tenko1058
2 жыл бұрын
the theory makes a lot of sense given what amber is in the game and how important its role is. amber itself probably deserves its own video as there are many different kinds and mentions in different items but as far as I can tell there are two main types: 1. "standard" amber as in being tree sap from the Erdtree (or Haligtree alternatively) that has magical properties as it is basically liquid gold. you have the 3 amber medallions made from this as well as some equipment having amber (miquellan Knight sword, silver mirrorshield) and then the amber egg itself which is like a giant drop of sap. it's "similar" to real world amber as that is fossilized tree sap, think back to Jurassic Park which had this amber drop that has a mosquito inside from which they were able to recreate dinsosaurs using DNA. I believe that's also what connects the amber to what Sellen mentions as it "contains the remnants of ancient life, and houses its vitality", but probably in a more abstract way. 2. amber of the stars. this is a weird concept as it uses the metaphor of amber in connection with some type of lifeforce associated with the stars. Founding Rain of Stars speaks of "The glimpse of the primeval current that the astrologer saw became real, and the stars' amber rained down on this land". you have items such as the Amber Starlight and Amber Draught, Raya Lucarian Robe or Olivinus Glintstone Crown that all tell us a similar tale "glintstones formed from starry amber" as well as the mentioned dialogue with Sellen in which she compares Golden amber with the star's amber essentially saying they both house a form of life. "Glintstone is the amber of the cosmos. Golden amber contains the remnants of ancient life, and houses its vitality, while glintstone contains residual life, and thus the vitality of the stars. It should not be forgotten, that glintstone sorcery is the study of the stars, and the life therein." in japanese the whole simile becomes a lot clearer as the words she uses to describe both are the same, while she uses different terms when talking about golden amber and star's amber in english (giving the impression there is some difference in the quality of life force). one could theorize that there is actually no difference between Golden amber and star's amber as both essentially come from space, the Golden amber more indirectly in form of the golden star with the elden beast which then turned into a tree that produced the amber. the question is why the game calls it star's amber. it's an odd metaphor and I am wondering if it is to be taken literal (as this is cosmic fossilized tree sap) or not. either way it's an interesting background for the amber egg IMO.
@Kosmos_er
2 жыл бұрын
that's some excellent insight as usual
@davidgomez5032
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed about the connection between stars and more traditional tree amber. The whole thing echoes the central twist of Demon Souls, everything ties back to The Old One. Both miracles (incantations) and magic (sorceries) draw power from the same thing. It is all The Greater Will.
@colorpg152
2 жыл бұрын
amber is the blood of trees and red glintstone is made with the blood of living sacrifices, if blue glintstone is the blood of stars then what what made the stars bleed?
@GeneralTaco155555a
Жыл бұрын
If this is all true, and the hair in the amber egg is supposed to be there, then that implies that the Fire Giants were the original ancient life of the lands between. Giants gave way to beastmen, and then men, who eventually tried to eradicate the giants and claim divinity. If so, then it's highly probably that Marika either found or created the egg to create Radagon. Perhaps she thought that introducing Fire Giant blood into her lineage would increase their power/divine status? Or if she just found the amber egg, then maybe she just didn't know it was there when she used it to create Radagon. That might explain why he is so ashamed of his red hair: from his perspective he wanted to be a perfect male copy, but ended up "imperfect" with red hair instead of blonde.
@zinkist
5 ай бұрын
Kosmos, I'm a bit late on watching your videos, but I heard about you from Tarnished Archeologist. I think you're correct about most of what you say in your videos, but this Theory is by far the most unique and coolest I've heard. To go another step further: The theories in this video makes me think that the Nox/Numen weren't just trying to create an Artificial-Lord, I now think the "All-Women" people of Nox experienced some sort of Calamity that caused all of their Men to go extinct (that's probably what all the petrified bodies in their Cities are). I think they were desperately trying to create an Artificial-Lord specifically to sire a new generation of natural-birth Humans. The Latenna side-quest, where she drops the "seed" off at the giant "sleeping" woman near Miquella's Tree, is never really explained at all AFAIK. Maybe only the larger "Albinuaric"/Noxian/Numen women are true "First-Gen" Humans, and hence they are the only ones capable of properly reproducing. Maybe "Numen" is an even more literal term than we think, and they were called that because the All-Female culture had set off to new lands in search of "New Men", who could help keep their culture from going extinct.
@sethlowen2303
Жыл бұрын
This theory is something that I’ve been commenting on countless radagon and Marika lore videos ever since the game came out. I’m so glad someone finally made a video of it because I have zero KZitem experience.
@sethlowen2303
Жыл бұрын
I even tried to get a hold of Vaati like a few weeks after the game came out without success.
@iJorjo
9 ай бұрын
Best theory ever heard, was never satisfied with the other famous youtubers takes
@mrrd4444
2 жыл бұрын
Admittedly when I read the title I was like "this is silly" but the more you revealed the more I'm really into this theory.
@DemonMama
2 жыл бұрын
Kosmos, this video was so good!! I find myself surprisingly convinced by this interpretation of the lore. I really did not expect coming into this video to walk away so sold on the idea. Well, well done!
@Kosmos_er
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@zakaryrichmond396
2 жыл бұрын
I don't care if you are ever right or not you are thinking differently than what everyone else just repeats and I am glad to see difference in opinion going around thank you very much for being here and contributing to the community in any way you can
@Kosmos_er
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, that is very encouraging!
@gun_slinger6664
6 ай бұрын
I love this theory, there is just enough there to put belief into my head but not quite enough to consider it concrete evidence. Though the only thing that still gets me is that when we fight Radagon, he literally changes from Marika to Radagon before our very eyes. If it is indeed a mimic tear pretending to be both, then where is the real Marika? I hope the new DLC is able to answer some of these questions. It would also explain why Marika and Radagon's children are both twins AND cursed. Almost like inbreeding defects.
@gwenori7656
2 жыл бұрын
Again, great video. Your theory answers most of the questions around Radagon, but also I can think of a few new questions: when was he actually "created"? What's the deal with his amber arms? etc. Makes you think.
@armandaneshjoo
2 жыл бұрын
Radagon was created right after the fell god of giants cursed Marika and turned her hair red. She cast the red hair on Radagon.
@gwenori7656
2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure I agree with that at all... Are there any items or dialogue refering to any of that? Nothing refers to Marika's hair turning red, or her casting it on Radagon, after being cursed by the God of the giants.
@armandaneshjoo
2 жыл бұрын
@@gwenori7656 I see your point. 1. I personally don't trust dialog. I have a long list of dialogs that are deceptive or straight-up lies. especially all the dialogs in trailers, cutscenes, and NPCs in the beginning. my evidence is gameplay experience. 2. Even paintings are unreliable. One of them draws Radahn smaller than Margit. The other draws him larger than Malenia. 3. Even video clips like Malenia's fight with Radahn is just a myth. It shows calid in red scarlet rot BEFORE malenia blooms! 4. You'd think gameplay experience could be reliable. but what about the fights with Renala or Elden beast? how did the eternal cities wind-up underground? Where is the Roundtable hold? why can I visit Godrick and the Elden beast under the Erdtree? Why is there a meteor impact below Radahn's castle? 5. As for item descriptions, I no longer trust them either. Example: There is an item in the game calling Godfrey "the first Elden Lord", while a remembrance calls Placedusax the first Elden Lord.
@armandaneshjoo
2 жыл бұрын
@@gwenori7656 In this post, I'll try to answer your question in three sections: ==Introduction== There are many videos with extremely careful analysis on this topic. example: y2u.be/WBCutl_C6XE Radagon is not mentioned before the Liurnian wars, but he is suddenly mentioned as a "champion" of the golded order. When did he become a champion? how did he achieve leadership in the war? the above video explains in length that 1. Radagon's hair color is identical to that of the giants 2. Radagon's thorn spells is similar to that of the trolls 3. Radagon's followers in Liurnia and mountaintop fire monks use the same spells. 4. The war with giants was before the Liurnian war From this, people conclude: Radagon existed before the Liurnian war. he either participated in the war with giants, or learned the thorn skills that killed giants from the trolls or knights in that war, then rose through the ranks to become a champion in the first Liurnian wars. ==Two problems== The 1st problem: Rulers of the golden order like Marika, Godfrey, Godwin, even Godrick are white haired, but were blessed with golden hair by the amber grace of the Erdtree. A sign of blessing by the greater will. Even Melina has that. But in the frenzied flame ending, she loses the golden right-eye color and is left with white eyes. But radagon's hair is identical to fire giants' hair. that's the color of the giants and the fell god. the great threat vs and enemy of the Erdtree. Every giant is red of hair, and Radagon was said to have despised his own red locks. Perhaps that was a curse of their kind." -- gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/265987-elden-ring/79998509?page=2 the 2nd problem: One eyed shield item description says: "...one-eyed god ... once worshiped by the giants is believed to have been slain by queen Marika." Again not true. We fight the one-eyed god. another item description says Marika cursed a giant to tend to the flames for eternity. problem is that the one-eyed god is on the cursed giant's chest and wakes up in the second phase of the fight People have suspected if Marika is able to curse the one-eyed god for eternity, then why did the one eyed god did not curse her back?? ==One solution== "It is implied his hair color is the result of a curse by the fire giants, all of whom possess red hair, and might have cursed Radagon after Marika waged war against them." -- eldenring.fandom.com/wiki/Radagon From there people have concluded that if Marika didn't kill the one-eyed god and cursed the last giant, the one-eyed god might have also cursed Marika. As you said: "Nothing refers to Marika's hair turning red". But the game explicitly says "Radagon is Marika".
@gwenori7656
2 жыл бұрын
@@armandaneshjoo Alright... If you don't trust ANYTHING the game is showing you or telling you then I don't understand how you can even begin to form conclusions on any topic whatsoever. Your evidence is "gameplay experience" yet you're clearing saying you don't trust gameplay elements either? I agree that there are still a LOT of questions unanswered, and some things don't make much sense yet (which is usually the case in any fromsoft lore), but you can't just disgard things you don't understand (or don't fit a certain narrative) and deem them false or untrustworthy? Figuring out the lore of the game is all about making sense of what the game has given us: dialogue, items, gameplay, ingame objects/paintings/architecture etc. and constructing theories out of those elements. The moment you're disregarding what the game literally shows you or tells you, then you're just constructing an imaginary idea, that might be fun or good in its own right, but is probably very far from what the game's lore is.
@shanedunn8932
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! This also explains how the Elden Beast turns Radagon into a sword - after all, Silver Tears, which Mimics are formed from, can become anything. :)
@armandaneshjoo
2 жыл бұрын
Not anything. The sword is part of the original Elden ring in Farum Azula. The gloam-eyed queen had a very similar godslayer sword. but that looked more like spiral than waves. we shouldn't forget it's not just Radagon, but also Marika that turns into a sword.
@mattb6616
Жыл бұрын
the existence of "unalloyed gold" implies the existence of "alloyed gold". Radagon is gold alloyed with silver.
@MythosTheSophist
2 жыл бұрын
This is fantastic! So many pieces finally fall into place! There is a lot of speculation about the Nox being Numen and possibly even being behind the Night of the Black Knives. Into that ties Marika as we know she was Numen and might have plotted Godwyn's assassination. You brought it all together very well. This is huge! It recontextualises so much! This might be the one breakthrough that could unravel all the mysteries of Marika!
@memoriesofgreen6088
2 жыл бұрын
Started the video skeptical but in the end you had me 100% on board with the red hair in the amber egg. Great video, hope you're blessed by the algorithm.
@connorryan2715
Жыл бұрын
Fuck! Okay, this is pretty compelling stuff. At the very least it’s a damn fun theory to consider. I always found it odd, that extra tag line about the Nox trying to create a lord. Didn’t seem to go anywhere. Fuck this games lore is so COOL
@Braindouchedotnet
2 жыл бұрын
This theory goes a long way to explaining why Radagon's rune looks like that, something I've wondered about for a while. All the other runes make sense and would fit well enough with the old or new elden ring, but Radagon's is just.... background noise.
@thenamelessnpc1000
2 жыл бұрын
Iirc Radagon's rune actually originates from Caria (sorry if that's spelled wrong). I remember watching a video that showed evidence of the cross hatch pattern being used by the acadamy/sorcerer before Radagon showed up
@zachlaughlin9515
3 ай бұрын
Very well done. I’m shocked this isn’t appreciated more by players. You backup everything you mention with actual evidence and insight. Can you point me to your video you mention at the end of this one, where you go over your guesses at to why Merika created Radagon despite their differences?
@Kosmos_er
3 ай бұрын
Haha sadly that video isn't out yet. I started a video series about my emancipation theory, you can watch the first part about marika. I'll try to release 2 more parts before the DLC, the answer will be in the last video of the series
@zachlaughlin9515
3 ай бұрын
@@Kosmos_er Haha thanks man. At least I know it’s coming. I was going through your other videos last night trying to see which one was the follow-up to this. Glad to know it’s coming though. I’ll check out the emancipation series until then.
@Faviomec
Жыл бұрын
Radagon doesn't need to be a mimic if you factor in how some of the Erdtree Avatars can split into multiple copies of themselves while fighting you, each with their own health and very capable of smashing you to bits. Pretty sure Marika would have the god-level copy of that ability.
@ALaz502
2 жыл бұрын
I've had this thought for a while. I wish they kept the mimic quest in. Thanks for making this video! I can show this to my buddies who thought I was stupid for suggesting it.
@redglintstonescholar7605
9 ай бұрын
I’ve preached this since launch months with unhinged Reddit post. Only thing I can really add is the children of the Amber Egg, and the Albanaric/silver tear humanoids, both end up cripples and handicapped. Also his bathing in celestial dew at his wedding, the literal original ingredient of mimics. And the Glintstone Kris made after their wedding that hints of Caria having some insider knowledge to a secret of the golden order, and the fact that mages loyal to Radagon would be bound to secrecy and silence by his rune.
@novachikun
2 жыл бұрын
This is what I was thinking for a while, too. You could come up with a buunch of other sci-fi stuff, like alien cloning or some godly psychology powers of something like others have tried. But From Software try to keep their lore contained, so I figured Radagon's origin had to be connected to the mimic tears, because the items connected to them all talk about their use and purpose for creating clones, even of high level beings like lords or gods. As for "Why" Marika and Radagon ended up having different loyalties, I think that can also be traced to Goldmask and his mending rune of Perfect Order, which talks about how the Golden Order was destroyed thanks to the fickle nature of the gods who behaved no different than normal humans. Marika was selfish, and so were the demigods, especially Ranni. Marika wanted to live in power forever, and she wanted absolute control over who could live or die, which is why she hid away the Death Rune. Later on, Ranni seemed to develop a hatred for Radagon and Marika, and even the Golden Order and the Greater Will, most likely because of how they humiliated Queen Rennala, Ranni's mother. Radagon's departure (probably tempted by the idea of reuniting with Marika and becoming a true god) broke Rennala and she was locked away, becoming a husk of what she used to be, as even Ranni talks about how amazing her mother was in her prime during the Rennala boss fight. In the end, Ranni needed to kill a god in order to break away from the Greater Will, and she specifically targeted Marika's dearest child, Godwyn the Golden. Ranni got her revenge and left Marika in misery. Marika became disillusioned with the Greater Will because it did not help her protect or revive the dead Godwyn, and so Marika sank into despair and shattered the Elden Ring. Radagon, of course, did not know the despair Marika was going through and thought she was overreacting as he did not lose his dearest child, and so he tried to stop Marika, but was too late. All the major problems in Elden Ring's main story stem from their human fickleness, despite being "gods": Marika's desire to be in absolute control, Radagon's desire to become a true god, and Ranni's thirst for revenge.
@BlueMagicite
2 жыл бұрын
Been tossing this idea a lot with Radagon, glad to see others are seeing the links. Marika herself has a ton of traits akin to a Mimic herself. I've always been of the mind that Marika is just as much of a Mimic Tear as Radagon, but that both are vying to subsume the other. There are often references in the game about the copy taking the place of the original, the oddest of all being the Lost Ashes of War description, almost as a subtle nod to the endgame reveal of Radagon and Marika. That being the case, you can honestly see some odd details about children sired under Marika. Take Morgott's Cursed Sword for example. Have you paid attention to the hilt of that blade? It's remarkable similar to the Albinauric Staff's surface, with the blade portion itself having a distorted visual like you see on the surface of Mimic Tears. Even Mohg technically has some amorphous properties himself, melting and solidifying from blood, even sprouting out wings in his phase 2. Miquella has some curious links to the Albinaurics. I dunno if you noticed, but given Radagon (and Marika) being Mimic Tears, it'd add a lot to why Albinaurics (who are likely to be Demigod bastards born of the Amber Egg) are seen transforming into cocoons just like Miquella: They all essentially share a similar genealogy to each other. Rykard is an especially interesting one because his body is pretty much "melted" and has even "melted down" the various Champions he consumes. If he's also got Mimic Tear hereditary traits, it'd explain why he was able to essentially coexist with the Serpent, Asimi does the exact same thing with us, same with Radagon and Marika. So many little details and traits of the Demigods can be broken down as akin to the Mimic Tear's versatility in transformation. Here's a huge hint to link a huge family tree together: If you see traits of a blended nature, you can probably thank Marika's bloodline for that. And for that, even our Tarnished may very well descend from Marika. After all, we can change our appearance relatively freely too. Ask me about this one, our Tarnished in particular has so many odd details that would lend to them being a Mimic Tear too.
@Kosmos_er
2 жыл бұрын
hit me with the tarnished is a mimic.
@BlueMagicite
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kosmos_er This is fairly "vibe" based but I'll give you what I have. There are some early hints that lead up to this. Namely, we do start off waking up on a stone platform before entering the Lands Between proper. If you recall, Marika and Radagon are both found on a Stone Platform within the Erdtree. This is me speculating but given how we are a "newborn" in the Lands Between, it is somewhat fitting that we see clusters of Nascent Butterflies should we manage to defeat the Grafted Scion at the Chapel of Anticipation. This is thematically amazing to me because the Grafted Scions are extremely distant offshoots of Marika's lineage. And here we have two descendants of Marika duking it out from the very start. Then there's the character creation menu. We get origins like "Numen" and "Nightfolk" and potentially even Warrior if you wanna go further and say you're a bastard of the Golden Lineage. All that alone is an explicit clue in favor of contextualizing gameplay features as parts of the world (which the game does a lot honestly) but as you can see with the Mimic Tears at Night's Sacred Ground, a Mimic Tear doesn't necessarily copy precisely, some retain individual traits unique to them. Given Radagon is likely a Mimic Tear, that adds up with why he's a touch different looking than Marika. We could be doing the very same thing at the start of the game too. Irregardless, the character creation menu is more akin to a hint to you being a mimic given how you can change appearances all the time really: You're functionally mimicking your starting class just like the Mimic Tears in Night's Sacred Ground do, you just don't have the pigmentation. Rennala's dialogue is the most explicit with these hints, calling us fair (an old way of saying "pale" in ye ol' times) and even refers to the Larval Tears as such when you use them during a rebirth. This is to say nothing in regards of how Silver Tears are often said to be reborn eternally as they shed their husks. We essentially do the same upon Death and using the Amber Egg. If you notice, a ton of Radagon's story parallels the our Tarnished's story as we play: We start out as a mere Champion born from Marika, yet are beckoned by Marika to become Elden Lord after doing her work (Stop Rennala, stop the Greater Will, etc). This even ends up becoming extremely cyclical (and off-putting) when you realize Ranni's marriage to us mirrors Radagon and Marika's far too uncomfortably given how we might also be a Mimic related to Marika. Speaking of the Amber Egg, it is curious how we can change our appearance just like a Mimic can seemingly at well. I first discounted this as just a gameplay feature with no lore behind it, but Rennala's Amber Egg allowing for cosmetic changes is such an odd detail to put that it seems more akin. She calls us a "sweeting" just like the Juvenile Scholars (heavily hinted to be underdeveloped Demigods since they're linked to the Amber Egg explicitly, even being born from it). And then there's the various hints that allude to double-meanings if you take us being a Mimic to heart: Namely the Silver Tear Mask Its description has a completely different meaning in regards to "imitating the imitator" when you consider us to be the Mimic: The Mimic Tear boss we fight in Nokron is copying us, the original "copycat" in that light. Then there's the subtle clue in the Silver Tear Husk that says one day, the Silver Tear will be reborn a Lord. Now, this is once again a nod to Radagon but as said before, his story parallels ours disturbingly so if you choose Ranni's ending. Very Game of Thrones of them, tbh. We also have Gideon's dialogue being a clue to what we may potentially be. He says a mere Tarnished cannot become Elden Lord and that a man cannot kill a god. Clearly, we do just that. So what gives? Why even have him say that in the first place? Well, to me it reads as an indicator that we are more than just a Tarnished, but a child of Marika. By rights, we would be a demigod, we even gather Great Runes after all, same as any other Demigod. The game does this often, where it doesn't explicitly tell you the implications of what you're doing even have in the context of the world's background. To add another allusion if we are a Mimic Tear, it makes us parallel the Albinauric Archers in Consecrated Snowfields who rely on their wolf mounts to get around. It'd be an exceptionally different (and less enjoyable) game if we did not have Torrent to help us in the Lands Between, we simply would not get around the same without him, paralleling the Albinaurics who cannot travel without their wolves, their "other halves" so to speak. Torrent would be our "wolf" by that respect. Then there's Enia's dialogue when she recounts the Two Fingers. Given how Radagon is literally "joined" with Marika by the end of the game, her saying "become consort and join Queen Marika" is given a far different meaning in that regard too. Again, a ton of dialogue and descriptions potentially reveal a fair amount of insight when you go in with the idea that your Tarnished is a Mimic Tear.
@jesseguertin1158
Жыл бұрын
I don’t like how right you are. It made me go “great…. So we’re just a blob after all.” I wish you were wrong. I don’t like being all ‘blobby.’
@BlueMagicite
Жыл бұрын
@@jesseguertin1158 think of it this way: you have limitless potential as a blob. To expand on how "permeable" people are in the game, you got corpse wax and claymen out and about. You can shape yourself as you see fit. Even Marika herself agrees: "Make of thyselves that which ye desire. Be it a Lord. Be it a God. But should ye fail to become aught at all, ye will be forsaken. Amounting only to sacrifices..." Gee, thanks mom!
@jesseguertin1158
Жыл бұрын
@@BlueMagicite You made me feel less self-conscious about my blobbiness. Marika should have held back though 😆
@TheCronesEye
2 жыл бұрын
This is the third time I’ve watched this video, lol, & my second upvote. It’s an intriguing & plausible theory. Good work! 👍
@Kosmos_er
2 жыл бұрын
thank you and sorry for the repost!
@loopseeker
Жыл бұрын
i feel like you just blew this pat of the story wide open, great work
@alecolson8360
2 жыл бұрын
Crazy, I had this theory a while back and nobody was talking about it, very well done.
@theoallaert3499
2 жыл бұрын
Some peoples think there is giant DNA into the artificiel beings created by the eternal cities. Because of the proportions of those giant skeletons on chairs. That could explain the red hairs
@depthsothenso813
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine Melina burning her body for a mimic tear. Seeing how there's already ashes around the Leyndell Royal Capital. Now she burns her spirit for you on an illusionary Erd Tree.
@nolancelestine5516
Жыл бұрын
best theory ever, I'm convinced!
@xX1creedfanXx
Жыл бұрын
Keep it up man, the algorithm will notice you eventually. Awesome content
@mattb6616
Жыл бұрын
IVE BEEN SAYING THIS!!!!!! thanks for being the one elden ring lore nut to actually figure this out.
@istoleasweetroll7937
2 жыл бұрын
Bro how are you literally the first big person to bring this up lmao, like this must feel amazing for you😂
@ornstein5901
Жыл бұрын
When this Kaiki's theme come in I immediately checked my pockets
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
love that ost
@AMoroseMelonhead
8 ай бұрын
This is my favorite Radagon theory and makes the most sense
@armandaneshjoo
2 жыл бұрын
Why did Marika craft Radagon? 1. Because the giants cursed her, turning her hair red. She was naturally white-haired, but earned golden hair and eternal life from the erdtree. the red hair was a shame, so she cast it into Radagon. 2. Magnum opus. i.e. To become the Rebis. see y2u.be/zI_aqDgtW1w 3. To join animus with anima. 4. To become the philosopher's stone. To be able to turn everything into gold, i.e. life, ... To create life needless of the Erdtree. To remain eternal without its grace. To ascend the fingers, the Erdtree, and the golden order.
@Kosmos_er
2 жыл бұрын
You onto me
@___.51
Жыл бұрын
As far as I know nothing contradicts this theory, and afaik most other dual-identity characters have reasonably clear explanations for their duality. Margit is Morgott's public alias as an omen; Renna was Ranni's mentor's name, Hoarah Loux changed his name to Godfrey after becoming Elden Lord. Radagon being Marika's mimic to produce empyreans seems very plausible, at least to me, especially after watching Tarnished Archaeologists' channel (if you know you know, lol). Miquella/St. Trina might still be a mystery but that's because the DLC isn't out yet.
@richlacerra6668
2 жыл бұрын
Scion also means offshoot of a plant, for instance the finger reader crone in deeproot depths calls Godwyn a scion of the Erdtree
@Brinkalski
2 жыл бұрын
At first I was skeptical, but this is absolutely one of the most compelling theories I've heard
@robertsoto5713
Жыл бұрын
Dude wtf I thought the same thing after I saw the cut content on the mimic tear. Nice video
@Coffee-Sorcerer
Жыл бұрын
Melina’s interaction is pretty cute
@whatsnewbois9814
Жыл бұрын
You have truly brought up a great answer to the Radagon mistery that, in all likelyhood, could be true. But the only question i have left is, why is Radagons hair Red? Some sort of conection to the giants that i cant seem to understand?...
@Reidyne
2 жыл бұрын
That's some galaxy brain shit right there, good detective work my dude
@Demokaze
2 жыл бұрын
The red locks inside the amber egg are interesting because I speculated some months ago that Rennala never did the dirty with Radagon but actually surrogated demigod children using her powers on the amber egg. I found it strange they had demigod children when Rennala isn't a demigod and Radagon didn't ascend to godhood until he joined Marika. But if he's a copy of Marika and the red locks provide his DNA then it adds up. And if I'm seeing it right then the red locks gradually turns white which explains why Rykard's hair is white in all of his pre-snake depictions.
@Kosmos_er
2 жыл бұрын
the lock are just red but the game lighting and the camera inside the egg make for weird effect. You can check it yourself in game to get a better view with freecam (there is also a lot more hair towards the bottom of the egg )
@thenamelessnpc1000
2 жыл бұрын
Doesn't it say somewhere that it was only after Radagon married Marika that his children *became* demigod step-children? I feel like being a demigod is more of a title than something to do with your genetics. Like in Dark Souls how Gwyn's first born son was stripped of his name and divinity i.e. the title of God was taken from him, but he's still related to Gwyn.
@cwonincucumber1552
Жыл бұрын
Zullie did a video on the egg and revealed that the texture is actually black. It's most likely that it's the hair of the child she rebirths in her bossfight.
@SlightlyThrowed420
2 жыл бұрын
In theory she could be cursed by the giants and expunged this through the tear. So he has red hair & the full dedication to the golden order as well. Maybe on purpose. Theres description to describe red hair as a curse of their kind, Maybe In this way she found she could see the lands between free of the greater will & with her own will
@mrlucy7197
2 жыл бұрын
I had this very thought. The Giant's hair whip weapon says that all giants have red hair, and that color ran strong through Radagon and his kids.
@colorpg152
2 жыл бұрын
she cursed then to guard the flame so maybe they cursed her to guard the tree
@ihateyoutube772
Жыл бұрын
This is a top tier theory. Love it! It's a shame that the mimic was cut content......
@Chessheromusic
Жыл бұрын
Only place to find someone with the correct answer But a mimic tear is a direct copy while a mimic veil hides the original being It’s called marikas mischief
@jesseguertin1158
Жыл бұрын
This could explain why you meet the Red Wolf of Radagon in the Eternal City (his shadow). “Radagon came to these lands at the head of a great golden host.” Well… Marika is a great golden host for the Elden ring. Genious.
@slozbecky
Жыл бұрын
So, could this theory also mean that St. Trina could be another mimic tear? But it is in Miquella's body perhaps? The Sword of St. Trina's item description reads: "St. Trina is an enigmatic figure. Some say she is a comely young girl, others are sure he is a boy. The only certainty is that their appearance was as sudden as their disappearance." Especially the last sentence is so suspicious because we see how quickly Radagon took his form from Marika in the cutscene. Also i dont know why but i have a feeling like underground cities like Nokron and Nokstella has something to do with all these sleep stuff but can't remember rn or im wrong.
@Livingshadow2009
2 жыл бұрын
Could be. I mean, marika herself came from the culture that made mimic tears.
@ask2114
2 жыл бұрын
how can u leave me waiting 4 p2 like this …. Cliffhanger at faram azula height ;u;
@davidgomez5032
2 жыл бұрын
I think you are on the right path, but I would argue Marika is the mimic. We know Radagon can not be a mimic or a creation of the Nox since he was a peasant laborer who led a revolt in Stormveil. As much can be deduced from The Brick Hammer item description combined with Miriel's dialogue. Brick Hammer item description: "Weapon made from an ordinary stone brick. Wielded by a laborer who lead a rebellion, and later become a champion himself." The wielder was of low birth, which Miriel says of Radagon and can be deduced from his red hair. The wielder was also a champion, which Miriel also says of Radagon. The item description continues: "Even among other bludgeons of its size, this weapon is especially weighty. The strength of a giant is required to wield it". So we know the wielder must have been a giant, which the Giant's Red Braid states that Radagon is. Miriel's dialogue and the braid's description taken together, its clear Radagon is the most likely candidate for the previous owner of the Brick Hammer. Being a laborer wielding a large hammer, it is possible Radagon served as a blacksmith, which would make sense given that smithing being holy is a theme which dates back to Dark Souls. If anyone is a mimic it is Marika, which makes sense since, as you note, she and the Nox are both numen. In the Asimi quest, an item description would have stated that Asimi "grant power" to the host they infect, which lines up perfectly with Marika telling Radagon that he will become a God when they become one, thus granting him her power. As you also note, the item known as the Mimic's Veil is also known as "Marika's Mischief", clearly tying Marika to mimcry / mimic magic. Again, given Radagon's likely origin as a laborer in Stormveil who turned champion, Marika being a mimic is more likely. We assume that by "lord", the Nox are intending to create a man, but why? The Nox are clearly matriarchal. More likely, they created Marika when they served The Greater Will at the now destroyed Nameless Eternal City.
@Kosmos_er
2 жыл бұрын
The issue with marika being the mimic is that she is tool old and who would she be a mimic off. It's important to remember that radagon is marika and not the other way around. The reason the eternal city would need to craft a lord (a man) is simple because gender in elden ring is specifically associated with some roles. This goes back to the alchemical principle of uniting opposites and how some material are feminine or masculine. The gods in elden ring are female (to the point where miquella who is born a boy is transforming into a women as he matures in his adult form ) and the elden lords are male. The eternal city wanted to craft a lord not a god (because marika is already a god) and so they would craft a male. As for radagon, him being a laborer in stormveil doesn't stop him from bein a mimic, infact it lines up perfectly with my own theory about the echo of marika in the grand lift of dectus: "The Erdtree governs all. The choice is thine. Become one with the order. Or divest thyself of it." This echo is marika adressing radagon after his "birth"
@davidgomez5032
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kosmos_er It really doesn't line up though. Why would Marika create Radagon and then simply send him off to live as a random peasant? Your own example of Miquella also disproves your argument that it couldn't be Marika because the Nox wanted a Lord. If there is precedent for a male Lord becoming a female God, then the same is possible of Marika. That would also tie perfectly into the cyclical nature of the world. Marika could have been made as a Lord (whether it be by the Nox or not) only to take advantage of her liquid form to transform to become a woman. EDIT: Maybe Marika transformed in a way related to the growth of The Erdtree, just as Miquella did with The Haligtree. Again, I also think you are skirting around the clear connection from the Asimi item description: "An intelligent silver sludge; asimi infect the body of tarnished, granting the host power." Asimi grant the host power, NOT the other way around. Marika specifically tells Radagon that he will be granted HER godhood when they become one. Radagon is Marika. Like the Asimi, Marika's essence influences Radagon, while his qualities being absorbed isn't mentioned. Marika could be a mimic of any number of people, such as The Gloam Eyed Queen, Renna, or literally any important figure from the Uhl or Ancient Dragon society (both of which likely worshiped numen). Another thing to consider is the recurring theme of SILVER specifically being associated with inferiority and mimicry. The Nox try their hardest time and time again to recreate the superior technology of The Ancient Dragons, but they are consistently held back by their lack of gold. While the SILVER Tears may require an actual lifeform to mimic, a similar being made with gold might not require an essence to leech off of, the gold already being life essence itself. That would also fit perfectly with the alchemical themes since femininity / silver are associated with formlessness and requiring the influence of masculinity / gold. I speculated the Nox could have created Marika in The Nameless City because, being near The Crucible/The Erdtree, we can assume the inhabitants of such a city would take advantage of the plentiful magical sap and amber. However, an alternative theory is that Mimic Tears themselves are simply cheap silver copies of a superior yet very similar ancient technology.
@Kosmos_er
2 жыл бұрын
@@davidgomez5032 i do have answers for many of the things you bring up and i'll eventually put them in video format. But can you explain to mee how you fit the fact that radagon is marika in your interpretation if radagon is just a radom person
@davidgomez5032
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kosmos_er As for further more speculative evidence, we need to do some quick history, assuming you don't already know all of this. Since the planet Venus can not be seen during certain times of the year, many ancient cultures did not recognize Venus as a single entity, and instead believed that the discontinuous sightings of Venus were separate objects. Worship of the seemingly several objects led to several gods being developed in the name of Venus, those beings often being of different genders. Radagon's rune, seen on his sore/scarseal as well as throughout the world, is clearly based off of one of the many symbols associated with worship of Venus, specifically the cross-hatch symbol for copper. Another of Venus' symbols is more strongly associated with femininity, that being the symbol we still use to this day to designate female. Marika's rune doesn't have such an obvious inspiration, but if one were to add an arc above that previously mentioned still used Venus symbol, they would get the symbol for Mercury. So while Marika's rune may not directly resemble the symbol for Mercury, both Marika's rune and the symbol for Mercury are actually depictions of a woman being crucified. There is more evidence for the connections, but with it established that Marika is associated with Mercury while Radagon is associated with copper, we can interpret their fusing as being directly analogous to the alchemical processes of combining copper and mercury. In such a combination (as well as in general), the mercury is in the form of a liquid while the copper is a solid, serving as further evidence that Marika could be somehow formless in a way like Asimi or the Silver Tears. In fact, copper and mercury are attracted to one another due to copper's electric charge, so they can fuse in soil (or maybe even in trees...) even without human intervention. Copper IS malleable, lending credence to the idea that Radagon could be a liquid being, but Mercury is obviously much more strongly associated with liquid formlessness. Mercury is also strongly associated with The Eternal Cities (see the mushrooms found there with a silvery oil-like substance) just as Marika is. The connections make themselves once you bring in alchemical symbolism.
@davidgomez5032
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kosmos_er He wasn't a random person, he was a descendant of powerful giants and served as a blacksmith in Stormveil. He led a revolt and then later became a champion of war. As for why Marika would choose him, we know she has a propensity for ambitious men. The enemies of The Erdtree defeated, grace faded from Godfrey's eyes, but Radagon still had much to prove as "mere champion", on top of "aspiring to be complete" in a more spiritual intrapersonal way. I believe it is a sort of Moslow's Hierarchy of Needs situation. Once Marika had satisfied the more material need to secure The Erdtree by defeating its enemies, she turned to education and spirituality, choosing a more well-rounded mate. The concept of The Divine Hermaphrodite does refer to an ideal singular being, but that being is itself a sort of commentary on the ideal marriage, partners metaphorically becoming one through the union of marriage. Or, as speculated in another comment, the independent worship of various Venus gods synthesizing into one being after technological and scientific innovation led to the conclusive discovery of Venus. The theory is far from complete, as clearly Radagon also has some kind of relationship with The Fire Giants, The Crucible and The Misbegotten, but those connections are very vague and many items or descriptions related to those connections were cut / changed. The themes of things fracturing only to come together again do suggest that maybe Radagon was once part of Marika, so maybe you are right and these theories are not incompatible. I think a far simpler explanation is that she simply had him as a bastard son with a Fire Giant, but using the amber egg as a sort of surrogate womb is a possible explanation for how Marika could hide that she was pregnant with him and hide his red hair at birth. Personally, I would keep the amber egg and rebirth connection while scrapping the mimic angle in relation to Radagon. Marika could be a mimic and the ultimate product of The Nox (or a more ancient society that The Nox are simply imitating), while Radagon can be a reborn abomination, Marika's DNA being fused with a giant's DNA as the source of his Y chromosome. Critically, reborn creatures are NOT mimics, so I don't see how Radagon being a product of rebirth would suggest that he is a mimic to begin with. Rebirth requires the larval tear of a mimic, but reborn creatures are still distinct entities. Neither Rennala's reborn cripples or Boc transform in a puff of smoke as the mimics throughout the world do, nor do they actively infect or transform in a liquid state as Silver Tears do.
@luckyowl6432
Жыл бұрын
I think the creators don't have a solid answer themselves, just a cool concept that was thrown in for us to think about and make up our own speculations
@azmitzy
Жыл бұрын
I feel like this theory fits together with the usurping theory very well
@JordiDiezN
Жыл бұрын
So you could think of Radagon as being Marika's illegitimate son, born of mimicry of herself and possibly infusion of Fire Giant to give him strength and his iconic flame red hair
@alex_costp
3 ай бұрын
I love the fact that Xemnas it's teaching me about Elden Ring Lore 🤯🔥
@Kosmos_er
3 ай бұрын
Xemnas? 😆
@misteryourdad
Жыл бұрын
I really like this! I'm still fixated on the link between Radagon and the giants, but I'm sure that could fit as well somewhere.
@wespensen823
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, came here from Rage’s video and I was intrigued by the theory. Thanks for the vid and I love the theory. I think the most compelling part is the line from the mimic NPC and Melina’s quote of Marika talking about not yet being me. It really seems to fit. However, I did have two questions/problems which are stopping me from taking it as reality. 1. For me the most convincing parts of the theory come from cut content. It really depends why the quest line was cut. For example, in DS1, Quelaag had dialogue which was cut, and we were told it was because talking at you didn’t feel like it fit for her character. So the cut dialogue is more able to be taken for theories, as the issue with it wasn’t its content. But that’s very different from something being cut because they have changed the story or whatever. Obviously there was something wrong with the mimic quest line so it’s hard to have it as such a fundamental part of this theory. It could even be they saw the connection you are making and removed it cus they didn’t want this connection being made and throwing people off. It could of course also have been cut for dlc reasons, but that’s unanswerable yet. 2. The second thing, is Radagon’s hair. It is referenced so many times and so explicitly, I feel it must be key to understanding something about him. The giant’s locks item in particular. Your find of hair in the amber egg is really interesting. Are you implying the amber nature of the egg is what made the hair red? If so, I’m not sure that’s right. Amber could be described as orange, warm yellow, off gold etc. but I don’t think you can describe amber as red, which Radagon’s hair is, so specifically. So for me, I love the theory, but not fully convinced. Loved the video nonetheless and looking forward to your next.
@Kosmos_er
2 жыл бұрын
1-To me the asimi cut questline is illustrative at best. The theory doesn't really rely on it if you ask me. 2-i am not implying the hair color comes from the egg, rather that I speculated that radagon was made with the egg, and the red hair inside was the hint fromsoft left us. I have no hard opinion on why radagons hair is red, it could be because he was infused with giants essence during his creation as other comments have proposed, or it simply shows how close he is to primordial gold/how strong his grace is.
@davidfonseca5262
Жыл бұрын
I do believe it’s kinda a story like espionage, Marika sent the other self to the den of wolves, the most “powerful” enemies of the golden order to breed and spread the knowledge, it’s the first video that I kinda share the same opinion, and not just a “rebis”
@Henbot
Жыл бұрын
It does seem clear the fusion was pretty potent considering when we see Marika strung up pretty awfully she is dead though no destined death but half of her is wrecked and Radagon is half dead too because his half has been torn asunder
@joselazo9799
2 жыл бұрын
I'm of a mind that cut content can be used to support a theory, but not be the primary argument for a theory. Still, interesting theory.
@Kosmos_er
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, the asimi quest really just help illustrate, it was no the impetus nor is it a pillar of the theory
@saithvenomdrone
Жыл бұрын
This theory would be much more widespread if these cut quests and dialogues were not cut from the game. It pretty much states outright that this theory is correct.
@bartonlucasj
Жыл бұрын
When you kill the Dung Eater after being invaded and visit him at the round-table hold, He says the only explanation for his defeat is that you, the player character, are in fact also the dung eater. I wonder if this is connected somehow...
@JeremyDeere
Жыл бұрын
I am a 100% behind this theory. I think the player character could also be a mimic tear ourselves. I like to pretend the pc is a mimic whenever I use a larvel tear.
@ezenami
2 жыл бұрын
Now that would make sense! Subbed!
@WeWillAlwaysHaveVALIS
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting concept, but imho given the strong alchemical underpinnings of ER the M/R relationship is easily defined by their being a Rebis. Their red and golden hair refering to different alchemical states respectively.
@Henbot
Жыл бұрын
Well , think you need to take account the red hair. It very distinct and related to the Fire Giants, game also implies this idea too. It is clear from the game that Golden Order did a assimilation spiritually, biologically and metaphysically etc and Fire Giants put hell of a fight so it make sense that with the loss of Godfrey they tried to replace that strength and I think put fire giants matter into the mix.
@didrickkazowski2340
8 ай бұрын
Brilliant, simply brilliant.
@FreeRunful
2 жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic theory! I can’t help but wonder though how the mimic tear may have affected the affliction that Miquella and Melania have
@NumberD2000
Жыл бұрын
A small theory that kinda ties into this that I have, i have a suspiscion the sculptor wasnt just sculpting a statue of Radagon but also Radagon himself. Its a pretty loose theory but i feel like him crumbling like stone with the Elden Ring inside of him is something to point towards it.
@adamkorzon2972
Жыл бұрын
I want to know who put the spear in her womb
@WHALEBOY777
Жыл бұрын
I think this was probably true at one point, early in development, and there is one very early concept art of Radagon with blond hair, but they changed his hair to red in order to insinuate he descended from giants and gave him a larger backstory with item descriptions. That's probably why they did away with the mimic tear storyline, because it no longer fit Marika and Radagon's story.
@jeftecoutinho
2 жыл бұрын
It is clearly stated that the Giant's curse is eternal servitude. Perhaps she used the red hair of a giant to mark him with the same kind of curse, to keep him under control. But doesn't seem like it's a perfect control, since the Trolls, descendants of the Fire Giants, betrayed their ancestors and they have huge openings on their bellies, where the face of the Fell God should be.
@edward.constantine
9 ай бұрын
I think it's pretty clear that Marika created/fused with Radagon simply so that she could keep the Golden Lineage going. This would ensure that the royal fanily stays in power and that there's always a suitable heir to be Empyrean. Presumably because Marika can't reproduce by herself and thus needed a mate, but also a mate that's a copy of herself so as to still be considered one god. After all, Empyreans can only be born of a single god. I think the backstory of this game is a good example of Occam's Razor: the sinplest answer is probably the correct one.
@XxSOULEATERXx1
2 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad this video exists, as this was in my head canon after completing the game twice
@Mrweedro
2 жыл бұрын
Was just thinking this
@Tom_Fuckery
Жыл бұрын
I love this idea. I'm also wondering if we need to talk more about the Fell God and Giants when its comes to Radagon. Especially if the Giant Wars are so early in the timeline as well as the discovery of the Flame's Curse. that in mind, The theories pointing towards the Nox/Numen connection could lean into the idea that Marika and Radagon were Numen and Mimic Tear the entire time. Both of them encountering the influence of the Outer Gods.
@enriccoc7794
Жыл бұрын
My pet theory is that Melina IS Marika, she is only in spirit form and the Radagon automaton is her discarded shell. Melina is always talking about Marika's words, that's her ego quoting herself
@mattb6616
Жыл бұрын
I think ultimately Marika actually made it out. Radagon was imprisoned in her stead as a scapegoat in the Erdtree, while Marika cast away her body in a manner similar to Ranni and became Melina.
@BaconPancakes042
Жыл бұрын
Interesting ideas here but there are still a few things that dont really connect. If Radagon was a mimic of Marika, then he should have golden hair. But he clearly has his signature red hair. Futhermore, it is stated that Radagon's red hair might have been a curse by the fire giant. I dont think this is complety refuting your theory, it just shows some points that could use more explaining.
@andrewbowen2837
Жыл бұрын
The thing with silver tears is that they look exactly like the person they mimic, or they have a silver tint/luster to them otherwise. Radagon doesn't do either of these. The amber egg could be the answer instead, but that still leaves the question of how there is still Marika then, because rebirthing transforms the original person, and does not make a copy of them. I'm not too sure I buy it just yet, but it has a good premise
@___.51
Жыл бұрын
Radagon trying to repair the elden ring seems odd if he's supposed to be a tool of the eternal cities, but maybe we are supposed to interpret him as going rogue by doing so, which would have been mirrored by the cut content mimic tear quest. It seems undeniable that Radagon is against whatever Marika's plan is, but in the game we got at release, Radagon being a mimic doesn't really answer why that is.
@jeftecoutinho
2 жыл бұрын
Shattered... by someone or something.
@meathir4921
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if this was cut lore in the end, because I feel like Radagon is pushed more towards the Giants. Then again, no idea which route makes more sense between connections to the Giants or the Eternal Cities.
@PaszerDye
3 ай бұрын
Hah it would make sense that they would cut Asimi's questline. It would make the fact that Radagon is a mimic too obvious.
@kylethompson3259
Жыл бұрын
My theory is the egg is the ruin that belongs to Miquilla. He is forever reborn also why would she be deserving of a rune as a mortal.
@tossapat027
2 жыл бұрын
it is sound crazy for Commoner Player . But for LORE Master Player this can be possible by who dig in Eternal Cities LORE and Cut Questline in Gamefile .
@bobjim245
2 жыл бұрын
Radagon uses confuse... It was super effective!!!!
@cwill14
2 жыл бұрын
Canon* lol it's a great theory that ties several things together, hard to deny it. Cut content is such for a reason but the evidence offered is compelling. I have a larger lore theory write up about her also being the Dusk/Gloam Eyed Queen but it included that she was likely of Numen aristocracy or that she was already Queen of the Numen/Nox and went by that title then and governed Death somehow, since Godwyn would become an avatar of Death and the Prince of it, I figured his rebirth ending, Age of the Duskborn implied that since he is Prince of it, his mother must be Queen of it, and if Godwyn is Duskborn, well he is born of Marika. Dusk Eyed Queen?
@ManInAFrogSuit
2 жыл бұрын
Earned my subscription. 👌🏽💯
@crazydazy2453
Жыл бұрын
Omg i always thought this !!!!
@c.b.5104
Жыл бұрын
No longer my g, Zullie has confirmed that strand of hair in the egg was indeed black
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