i trust that this tier list is factually correct for the entirety of season 1, since the title says Season 1. thank you.
@MFobes
Ай бұрын
Lolol
@AutomaticJak
Ай бұрын
Absolutely! Jakstradamus has spoken and can never be wrong!
@EJHigz
Ай бұрын
AutomaticJak would never lie or accidentally spread misinformation, as such I determine this video to be precisely what the meta will turn out to be. Absolutely no chance of this changing before Season 2, this is gospel.
@anthonydallarosa8314
Ай бұрын
This will be different within a week
@Lothomiras
Ай бұрын
I am, and will remain, a holy priest and share your enthusiasm! Thanks for the validation Jak! Also *chef's kiss* for the rapid content release during these busy early-acces days.
@AutomaticJak
Ай бұрын
Eyy you bet!
@Prezbar
Ай бұрын
Hi, I'm a raid leader for a small guild doing mostly heroic raiding. I would love it if you ever want to do guides for how to better understand healers, like how to choose which healer you would want for an encounter, how to organize CDs and think about healing for a raid. From the point of view of someone organizing the raids for the guild I mean. Anyway thanks for the content!
@HellXan
22 күн бұрын
This doesn't seem to have aged well... The 3 heal boss was 2 pres evokers and 1 hpriest. The 4ths seem to have been hpal/resto sham. Disc, Mistweaver, and Rdruid haven't yet been utilized.
@zacharywildes
Ай бұрын
early pres evoker is so nice so far
@moe504
Ай бұрын
I feel like it's very similar to DF but still very easy and fun to play. It's sad so many specs are so similar to DF
@josedavidmunozmartinez4722
Ай бұрын
I remember MW solo healing Mythic Archimonde back in WoD, such beautiful times won’t ever come back because they absolutely killed the specc since Legion and haven’t been able to bring it back ever since 😢… Sad for MW mains (I was one until they changed it in Legion onwards).
@JordanKidd14
Ай бұрын
As a Mistweaver.... The sky is falling! Ahhhh.
@andrewthomas817
Ай бұрын
will u make a video for a breakdown for disc rotations for raid with hero talents
@AutomaticJak
Ай бұрын
Ye
@christopherstone9736
Ай бұрын
Im still a new healer and thought HPAL was the only thing id play as. For the first time ever im branching out and doing HPries/pres/rsham and Rdruid. Love watching your videos man especially with Priest tips! It helps me a lot. Maybe soon ill try disc priest lol
@Knasern
Ай бұрын
Finally a tier list that makes actual sense.
@marcfleuren7691
Ай бұрын
I guess mw monk is same as resto druid. Depends heavily on performance of the other two specs. Brew looks pretty good so Im going to guess that the monk buff will be brought by tank spot in rwf
@cyborgtemplar1989
Ай бұрын
at least resto druid gets roar . . MW doesn't even get that. it's throughput needs to be broken, or the other 2 need to be so bad that you'd pass up on the sheer utility and DR the other healers can offer. it's kind of how things go.
@Lumivito
Ай бұрын
Holy priest for good! I just love a good salv/hymn. Thanks for the content, Jak
@AutomaticJak
Ай бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@TenSyc
Ай бұрын
You are not the only one that wants fistweaving viable in raiding. I think it would be dope if they redo master of harmony to master of (harm)ony; turn down ancient teaching coefficient by 70%, but increase the dmg by 100% and give them a 1min damage oriented cooldown.
@Furcas
Ай бұрын
It's cast heavy everywhere. A lot of casting in melee to combat really high damage mechanics. Not a fan. Lots of enveloping usage now vs in the past.If I were to do anything with master of harmony it'd be a talent to replace enveloping mist with some sort of fistweaving equivalent that doesn't have a cast bar attached but maybe a smallish cd.
@JaydeeDJ
Ай бұрын
I always healed as fistweaver in S3/S4, wasn't meta but def felt viable (got up to about 420k HPS pre-prepatch on Rashok Mythic with it for reference). It didn't ramp nearly as hard as mistweaving, but it has very consistent healing and very mana efficient. The fact fistweaving now benefits from mastery (even with minimal mastery investment) and the nerfs to mistweaving should bring them closer together I expect. So give it a try I would say as I have enjoyed it a lot outside of friendly npc fights!
@deanbrandt4356
Ай бұрын
Fistweaving is still 100% viable, you just have to focus on Haste/Mastery and buff Gusts of Mists as much as possible. It's definitely a little button bloated, but it mostly just feels like a melee DPS with off healing. It's kinda great, it's just not meta. I was the top healer in my guild in Season 4 against many of the meta healers including a meta Mistweaver. It just takes some different priority talent nodes.
@koekienator
Ай бұрын
I'm just refusing to raid w/o fistwaving. Presume it will be more than viable for just HC raids anyways.
@deanbrandt4356
Ай бұрын
@@koekienator I'm running it in Mythic and have since Nya'lotha... It's been viable, it's just hardly been popular or meta
@ExceptionalNerd
Ай бұрын
Jak did say this MULTIPLE times, but as a disclaimer for people who only hear 20-30% of what a person actually says and interprets it incorrectly. Please please take these tier lists with a grain of salt, as the information is wonderful and insightful, most everyone watching this is not a world first racer. All healers are viable and doable in normal/heroic/early mythic content. By weeks 7-8+ of a tier/season your class/spec doesn't matter if you are gearing appropriately in M+/raid content.
@cyborgtemplar1989
Ай бұрын
it doesn't generally. but it's really hard to give up the utility that some others provide for MW or resto druid. unless a fight has a mythic mechanic in the last 2-3 bosses which can be cheesed by revival . . it's very unlikely MW will be taken to many. just means I gotta pray tank spots aren't taken to play BM or that WW is in a solid spot. . . we'll see. WW is looking mostly mid so one monk in a raid is fine if it's WW. but if theirs already a monk, neither MW or WW look solid enough on their own merits.
@jonathannorthcutt5793
Ай бұрын
Archon disc might be slept on with piety for smaller less experianced disc players.
@Chimpmanboom
Ай бұрын
Bro you gonna make me go the last ranked on a tier list talking about holy priest like that lol
@keleko55
Ай бұрын
This video alone will kill off so many mistweaver mains and so many mistweaver invites into pug raids. Thanks.
@jpibmg
Ай бұрын
I know this video is old but currently my guild has 3 preservation evokers, aside from losing other healer utility is there anything bad with stacking preservation evokers with echos or other buffs not stacking?
@ThePolarpop
Ай бұрын
Are you planning on making a RAID guide for shaman or evoker b4 season 1?
@AutomaticJak
Ай бұрын
Not sure!
@C0rnvillain
Ай бұрын
Hey, you recommended a Darkmoon Ascendency sigil for an embellishment in the priest guide. Pondering my first spark craft… you can only use the Sigils with weapon/OH.. you think crafting a staff is best or just not using that embellishment?
@AutomaticJak
Ай бұрын
Don’t craft yet!! Lots of changes to embellishes still ongoing right now
@ogedda
Ай бұрын
*Evoker doing way more healing and way stronger ramps then disc so disc is legit just a barrier in comparison* Disc lowkey is just riding the ''Has been historically meta''
@hoplit6764
Ай бұрын
Ive been testing disc in dungeons and so far oracle has been much better then void, will see if ill change my mind in harder content.
@Famedawg
Ай бұрын
I played rshaman and rDruidfor years. Got sick of the keybind bloat in RSham, and can’t stand some of the new changes they made to Rdruid. I MW feels fantastic to me. I’ve been having a blast, and it feels a lot easier play style than the others.
@iceiceice914
Ай бұрын
Thank god, discipline is not bad for raiding. Therefore, no need to farm more mas/crit gears. I’m wondering whether the disc will focus on the mini ramp (radiance + mind blast) for this tier.
@munichrent2067
Ай бұрын
The hero we need but don't deserve!
@slandry4664
Ай бұрын
Nice , mistweaver bottom in M+ and raids. Faire enough, we did reach our " good" for one season per decade quota
@Fmannen93
Ай бұрын
Mistweaver is doing fine in M+.
@slandry4664
Ай бұрын
@@Fmannen93 fine doesn't get you invited.
@xlightninghawk6360
Ай бұрын
@@slandry4664 fine is good enough, just make your own key if you dont get invited
@NewMetaTV
Ай бұрын
@@slandry4664being a healer baseline gets you invites
@iknow3335
Ай бұрын
I quitted mw and now try frost dk 😂
@spookydog327
Ай бұрын
Thanks
@ItzKythera
Ай бұрын
Your Healing numbers above every one is that the Addon ShowMeMyHeal or what is that? :O i need it :) Thanks for your content :)
@tannergleeson9310
Ай бұрын
That's just an in game option
@ItzKythera
Ай бұрын
@@tannergleeson9310 how i can do that :O u know it? :)
@ItzKythera
Ай бұрын
@@tannergleeson9310 okay Thanks :) But How i Do that? :O :D
@NineEyedRaven
Ай бұрын
Hey, what’s goin’ on Jak? It’s guys.
@burst1172
Ай бұрын
Fundamentally if everything is either lock or potential 4th and one spec isn’t in it they aren’t great it’s rough smh
@shaunaaron
Ай бұрын
Jak I have alevel 70 VDH geared lets go son - Hopethepriest
@vanguelisk
24 күн бұрын
why disc was not in RWF?
@robertllamas5514
Ай бұрын
You forgot the shaman raid buff
@ConeyIslandKing
Ай бұрын
IDC I am having fun playing Disc, I levelled all healers to 80
@KennyFalmouth506
Ай бұрын
same here but it feels so unforgiving compared to other healers
@tylerfrost4110
Ай бұрын
@@KennyFalmouth506 agreed. only having rapture for oh shit moments feels so meh. they need like two more strong buttons or make divine star or halo apply atonement. there's gotta be a practical way to give them something more.
@ConeyIslandKing
Ай бұрын
@@tylerfrost4110 they couldve given us those in HT, monk got celestial oh shit button when they don't even need another...
@sombrego2260
Ай бұрын
I only wished all healers were having the same amount of choices in hero talents and builds. Druids and Monks are kind of in the ditch and locked to specific build because of really weird/wacky hero talent designs and some just poor balancing their respective trees still locking them onto the same talents since dragonflight pre patch at this point. I feel Druids could get away with it with a bit more balancing and some slight adjustment but Mistweaver's Master of Harmony is just pure nonsense and I still don't get why it hasn't received the Priest's Oracle rework (well I do get it, there's like 5 times more million Priest players than Mistweavers). It's a bit of a bummer, but hopefully everything does end up being playable (it seems to be the case?).
@micasreynhamar6946
Ай бұрын
man i hope that like people aculy would lisen to the the mw bit but like historicly speaking when mw havent bean top hps its kinda just dead in the water from a comunity pov even if its bean fine to good
@dr.zoidberg8666
Ай бұрын
Man, everyone is singing resto shammy's praises, but I just finished leveling my resto shammy last night & I'm not feeling it. Yeah, it has a button for everything but consequently each individual button press didn't feel very impactful. I felt like I was having to do a lot more to just have the same performance that my holy priest had.
@AmericanEulogy666
Ай бұрын
Yes, slight nerfs and the spec will be dumpster tier again.
@hennapeltonen3137
Ай бұрын
L2P issues.
@forsakenheros
Ай бұрын
You might be skipping some steps. Apply riptide/primordial wave on most of the targets to give them the tidal wave buff so your "Your next Healing Wave will also hit all targets affected by your Riptide for 60% of normal healing" there are a few passives you should be taking into account when healing for more optimal rotations and the utility of lowest healer kick CD and AOE control is insane in mythic +. They also have the best poison cleanse totem that can clear 4 people when this season has so many poison dungeons
@dr.zoidberg8666
Ай бұрын
@@forsakenheros That's what I was doing, but what I'm saying is resto shammy healing right now comes from a lot of little effects adding up like that, especially with the Farseer playstyle which I think is ultimately stronger in dungeons. Even chain heal doesn't push health bars like it once did -- not alone & without synergies at least. I'm not saying Rshammy isn't strong, just that it isn't very enjoyable. It reminds me of Holy Pally in DF.
@cat-vv9xb
Ай бұрын
@@dr.zoidberg8666 Your problem is running Farseer when Totemic is much stronger. Totemic also does much higher upfront healing because of free chain heals on totem casts while Farseer requires rng on Riptide or setup with Unleash Life.
@Onslaught516
Ай бұрын
Word of the day " Blast" 😂
@jeremiahbrunkala
6 күн бұрын
Update this now that we have a month of data?
@AutomaticJak
6 күн бұрын
Just made an m+ update today. Prob will do a raid one soon
@jeremiahbrunkala
6 күн бұрын
@AutomaticJak I just saw it! I think H Priest are killing it in raid (and dumping M+).
@KCK0230
Ай бұрын
Yayaya
@yanna4473
Ай бұрын
enable to balance class even after 20 years another FOTM expansion
@BGivo
Ай бұрын
What does "blast", "insane", and "huge" mean?
@scofozo
Ай бұрын
this video just showed me why blizzard raid frames are so bad, spaces between player groups is so weird
@wctupp123
Ай бұрын
You can remove that lol
@Bluuedream
Ай бұрын
Nice displates bro.
@AutomaticJak
Ай бұрын
Appreciate it
@scotty523
Ай бұрын
A bit surprised about disc when they need help in M+
@mura-moto
Ай бұрын
Disc have been a staple in raids for years. Their kit just works better on raid encounters where the timeline of incoming damage is fixed unlike m+
@ReallyNotAGoose
Ай бұрын
That's kind of the nature of disc. It has a kit that fits VERY well into high end mythic raiding where damage tends to come in pretty predictable spikes at specific times and you can trust your co-healers to cover for your weaknesses (as you cover for theirs).
@xlightninghawk6360
Ай бұрын
even before the rework to disc priest, disc priest were always really good for mythic raiding
@TheGoatLocker
Ай бұрын
You need to actually be good at disc priest for it to work though
@phenxskyzz4195
Ай бұрын
+ another thing is the barrier : in Mythic one important thing is preventing damages more than healing them beacause you can't heal a one shot
@brice9013
Ай бұрын
Dragonflight 2.0, everything is the same same
@richardroon
Ай бұрын
Didnt Holy Priest test as one of the 2 lowest HPS healers ?
@AutomaticJak
Ай бұрын
hpriest had some mana bugs in all raid testing. The spec will look insane on heroic week and I think it'll be ~top3 HPS wise in the mythic raid
@Achtland44
Ай бұрын
Mistweaver back in his place
@KJN311
Ай бұрын
Honestly a healer is a healer just keep us alive and you win.
@thatepicwizardguy
Ай бұрын
Yup I agree. If you dont raid at a super high level tier lists just dont matter at all really as long as youre playing your class alright
@damienwyles6515
Ай бұрын
I think you missed the point here, you could say that about anything. Damage are supposed to damage so just do damage and win - Tanks are meant to hold aggro and not die, just win. Theres a lot of factors - even though yes technically any healer could do the content, certain healers will make it easier to achieve over others. Thats what this list is for. I agree you should just play a class you enjoy and have fun that way, but some people like playing the top specs and being competitive that way.
@chrisandsofia1919
Ай бұрын
So... no change from the previous 3829348230 expansions. Got it. Thanks!
@champboehm7863
Ай бұрын
U okay?
@Niceman42069
Ай бұрын
Lmao wtf does RWF lock mean
@rmonogue
Ай бұрын
That it’s a sure pick for the Race to World First guilds; a locked in choice
@cyborgtemplar1989
Ай бұрын
Alas . . MW dies again :(. RIP, you had your one raid time in the sun. back to the depths of darkness you go. buffing it to playable levels isn't a realistic scenario, since lacking most of the utility and DR some of the more core healers have. the numbers need to be so overturned it's unrealistic. every other healer has something that's generally useful in every raid fight/scenario. where we get . . . revival . . . which has rare niche cases once every few expansions. so back to playing WW/BRM or changing classes . . . again. . .
@miikkamansnerus5403
Ай бұрын
I wish i could play healer but it seems healers are good in some game mode and total shit in other so i cannot play any healer i only have time for one char :( would like to play fistweaver but its ass in arena and raid so its gg for me the balancing is so shitty
@TheGoatLocker
Ай бұрын
Play resto shaman, it's good in everything.
@ThePolarpop
Ай бұрын
@@TheGoatLocker also unless paladin or evoker are suddenly shit in pvp those are too. Same for druid technically to some degree but I dont like it atm
@damienwyles6515
Ай бұрын
Which healer is good in one and "total shit" in the other? coz no healer is total shit in any content. Disc priests are the only healer having a harder time in dungeons but they arent total shit.
@ShreddedSteel
Ай бұрын
Its shaman. Just say shaman
@AutomaticJak
Ай бұрын
shaman
@ShreddedSteel
Ай бұрын
@@AutomaticJak you opened with pally and priest and i have to be honest, My heart was sinking 🥲
@AutomaticJak
Ай бұрын
thats how I get ya
@hansmartin3197
Ай бұрын
What does it mean being a skilled healer?I am playing healer since Burning Crusade without any addon, so in my opinion its not possible to talk about being a skilled healer if u play with addons.
@elementalismproductions
Ай бұрын
I chop all my vegetables for dinner with the edge of my hand. Knives and other tools mean you aren't a real chef.
@cat-vv9xb
Ай бұрын
This is not the flex you think it is lil bro.
@ThePolarpop
Ай бұрын
This has to be bait lol
@iceiceice914
Ай бұрын
One key distinction between humans and wild animals is that humans know how to use tools and do so more efficiently.
@RedRedInc
Ай бұрын
"hey look everyone, this guy doesn't use add-ons....see nobody cares."
@eldersonlaborit2290
Ай бұрын
this tierlisst iss useless cuz we dont have yet the tierset for each class.
@AutomaticJak
Ай бұрын
Its with the tier sets in mind
@metalmach1ne748
Ай бұрын
Who cares man, let people enjoy what they play🤡
@jojibot9193
Ай бұрын
To be fair he does say early on in the video that this info is only really relevant to top-tier raiders
@igorrrzin
Ай бұрын
do you realize some people actually enjoy playing whats strong, right? if you enjoy being weak asf just because you love one spec, its up to you, others like playing whats strong and relevant, so.. stfu
@champboehm7863
Ай бұрын
Some ppl like try and not just eat slop. Stop being a hater
@youtee_UT
Ай бұрын
he said MULTIPLE TIMES that play what you want, all healers are good, have fun. Clearly you didnt watch the video and just like being a clown
@philipvladimir8102
Ай бұрын
Then don't click a tier list video lmao what is wrong with you
@trollonme
Ай бұрын
if you know how to play evoker correctly, its easily above disc priest. I play both, way better as evoker imo.
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