Thanks HH, this setup works like a charm. I was hitting for 20M with my budget unkillable, and now with this team I'm doing 30M damage. I can finally 3 key UNM. I made a mess with all my other characters and burned a lot of silver just to get the right speeds and stats, but it was worth the struggle. The guy that came up with this is a genius. Keep up the good work.
@FlorianStangl
3 жыл бұрын
OMG, thank you so much, that's awesome! I got my first Maneater 2 weeks ago and am currently building an unkillable team with Painkeeper. Finally I can make good use of Kreela :)
@HellHadesWoR
3 жыл бұрын
nice!
@aidanclarke5616
3 жыл бұрын
I'm shocked by this statement, I use Kreela everywhere! She's the linchpin of my Arena offence team, great in dungeons to improve damage and same for CB
@FlorianStangl
3 жыл бұрын
@@aidanclarke5616 Right, but it always depends on the choice of characters you have. I only use her for faction wars because I don't need ally attack elsewhere :)
@yeahboie
3 жыл бұрын
HH: budget unkillable with ally attack Me: Yes I got Lanakis HH: except her Me: fml
@sullivancastiel4780
3 жыл бұрын
You probably dont care but does any of you know of a trick to get back into an instagram account? I somehow lost my login password. I appreciate any tips you can give me!
@kyngkhari3041
3 жыл бұрын
@Sullivan Castiel instablaster =)
@sullivancastiel4780
3 жыл бұрын
@Kyng Khari Thanks for your reply. I got to the site thru google and I'm trying it out now. Takes quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.
@sullivancastiel4780
3 жыл бұрын
@Kyng Khari it did the trick and I now got access to my account again. I'm so happy:D Thank you so much, you saved my account :D
@kyngkhari3041
3 жыл бұрын
@Sullivan Castiel No problem :)
@jasonmelick587
3 жыл бұрын
if anyone's having problems with maneater getting targeted instead of your stun target on NM, and it's not an affinity issue, try this. instead of using kreela's a3 after the stun, use it after the 2nd aoe. this ensures all your champs will have at least a couple buffs on them when the stun shot comes around. seems to help make the target selection a little more consistent
@JeroenVerwijmeren
3 жыл бұрын
You will probably 1key if you replace gravechill with a second frozen Banshee. There'll be more poison sensitivity this way. I tested this myself using Roshcard and it made a massive difference. You obviously need a second FB :)
@jsun1580
3 жыл бұрын
I desperately need a maneater 😭
@bastiaan0741
3 жыл бұрын
Same!
@Popz1965
3 жыл бұрын
I pulled Pain Keeper today, but ya, now I need Maneater lol
@jasonbourne1596
3 жыл бұрын
I need Maneater too, but martyr can go in for kryla right?
@rednazxela1
3 жыл бұрын
So I finally got this working on UNM across all affinities, here is some info that might be helpful. First for spirit set your 4:3 champ going 233 to 192. It also really helps if your slowboy is not strong affinity as then maneater/painkeeper can get targetted. I use Bulwark and still get into two key range (35mil plus). Red affinity is fine with banshee and gravechill, but due to the affinity you drop into 3 key territory. Note all my champs are 6 star, maneater and painkeeper are fully booked , Kreela has A2 and A3 fully booked. Hope that helps...
@djimson8929
3 жыл бұрын
Just what i needed! My dmg output was low, now i can really do a unkillable run! Thanx HH for sharing the info! :D
@johnjacobjingle8302
3 жыл бұрын
Step 1... spend a small countries budget to get maneater..
@C0nstant1n
3 жыл бұрын
Sadly enough, I got him on my ftp along with other pretty nice epics. Wish I could transfer them
@hritviktripathi8434
3 жыл бұрын
I have a man eater, but no painkeeper
@johnjacobjingle8302
3 жыл бұрын
I have like 5 pain keepers.. i would trade you if i could..
@hritviktripathi8434
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnjacobjingle8302 It's the only rare I don't have
@Hama-je3bu
3 жыл бұрын
Nah. I got both and I'm f2p. I also have Roschard and 2 skull crusherss I just got after over a year of playing. Just keep playing man. The champs will come. There are a lot of different unkillable comps too.
@stefanoconrotto9998
3 жыл бұрын
Perfect. I've been waiting for this a long time. Now I'm just missing the maneater.
@cortezthekiller999
3 жыл бұрын
I had to use the following speeds to get this to work and change the turn order slightly to use ally attack on turn 2 and manual until PK A2 on turn 5: Maneater - 255 PK - 216 Aothar - 118 Fayne - 175 Kreela - 178 Thanks so much Hades! Two keying is now so easy!
@musclegeek1991
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve got man eater, but can’t seem to pull any of the support he needs. Even the “budget” teams are always beyond my reach lol
@danmdk
3 жыл бұрын
Same here. I'm desperately looking for a Painkeeper.
@ExpectedBoy
3 жыл бұрын
I'm about day 68 and pulled Pain Keeper really early. No Maneater etc tho so I can guarantee champs I want you have and vice versa. Haha
@Nicecathope
3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately budget means you’re gonna have to spend some money, not whale money but some money for sure
@cyberdoc3692
3 жыл бұрын
same
@brandinghunter3627
3 жыл бұрын
@@ExpectedBoy I need maneater too have pain keeper
@nathanwalden224
3 жыл бұрын
Pro tip for this comp. I built everything the same as HH, except for I wasn't able to get my fast DPS to 233 speed. I put the speed I was able to get (222) in the calculator, and it works great, except that on NM if Kreela brings PK into the ally attack it ruins everything. I realized though if I skip Kreela's first Ally attack then there isn't a problem. Thanks for the help HH!
@slantchev
3 жыл бұрын
There's quite a bit of flexibility with many of these unkillables. For instance, I am running the slow double maneater with Occult Brawler at 188 (6 above the listed speed), Frozen Banshee at 178 (2 outside the listed range), and Martyr. It also works if you swap out Frozen Banshee for Kreela (tested at 174 speed). So this is a slow ME with both counter-attack and ally attack.
@colonelmiguel6328
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks HH Would love to see a video with a quick run down of the unkillable teams from your champ tier list. Pros, Cons, etc.
@scottcook9044
3 жыл бұрын
literally love this build been trying to keep up with some of the big hitters in clan boss. Can I make a suggestion in your unkillable list please can you add set up column with a link to screenshots or something similar. Just going through this and trying to work out turn order but you scrolled to quickly just on Kreela and her umn set up kept on trying to pause the video at the right part. Followed your channel for a while but yeah really amazing content just keeps the momentum going with a game makes it so much more interactive with the community. Thanks for your work.
@fb4y938
3 жыл бұрын
If you struggle with your stun target the easiest fix is to use "selfless defender" mastery on your stun target.
@familyfarmerfloyd
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, HH! I just started working on this exact comp yesterday. Scary timing.
@connorwatson7162
3 жыл бұрын
And the stun calculator is super important too! Messed me up when he attacked the wrong champion a couple of times
@christopheralvarez3236
3 жыл бұрын
What exactly does ally attack do to the comp, can you explain so I can maybe add someone I might have in vault to get it working
@nickolaskampney9268
3 жыл бұрын
Speaking of clanboss. How does everybody feel about the advanced quest stipulations? If I ran a counter attack comp over unkillable I promise I wouldnt have any rares in the mix. I like how the FW quests can be done with the extra keys you're getting for free, yet the clanboss stipulations can really throw some players off. I'd personally just like to see a CB key reward if you have to do something out of "the norm" be that using a rare or doing a certain amount of damage wherin some players might have to drop a difficulty to accomplish it, then miss their usual chests. -MourningSage
@nickolaskampney9268
3 жыл бұрын
@HellHades maybe you fellas in content creators discord could talk about this at some point?
@aryanjain9467
3 жыл бұрын
I loved the video, but one thing I understand in this game is that speeds don’t actually signify anything, if longbeard was the only one who worked as everyone got the ally attack and they calculated pain keeper’s speed like that, it would make sense, same way as the 2-1 speed ratio, by using a 254 speed mashalled, you can technically go over 381 speed to go twice even with a bad el who is at 191 speed, it is really wierd to me, but great work by the people who made it. Great video mate
@a-a-ron9027
3 жыл бұрын
the last unkillable i couldn't get to work, I'll give this one a go
@byronsmith3152
3 жыл бұрын
I struggled as well. I just gave up as I used millions regearing hahaha.
@supersymm3try
3 жыл бұрын
Nice timing im just building my first UK team using ME and PK right now.
@WegoCreativeLLCBranson
3 жыл бұрын
Same
@Gabriel-nv3ib
2 жыл бұрын
For UNM using fahrakin the fat look up another raid shadow legends youtuber (cold brew gaming) using the skills is slightly different than this set up. Video titles: budget uk (works on spirit too) For NM do everything that hell hades does in the video but use fahrakin's ally attack when keela uses her first ally attack (a2). Just ran a 50 turn 1 key with this. Fahrakin's speed was also 186
@georgemiu2174
3 жыл бұрын
I just managed to make this work, I got pain keeper recently, thanks for the video. 35.5 million on an affinity clan boss in UNM, and pain keeper doesn't have warmaster yet, with that and on a void clan boss I can probably reach 40 million.
@sanctdc
3 жыл бұрын
wow really clever idea not getting how painkeepers a1 isnt throwing off the rotation kudos to guys who came up with this nice job
@ronaldcheng7588
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Hell hades..!! Great just what I've been looking for...top tip..put your FB, Kreela and slowboy in retaliation gear to get more dmg (although to get the spd for FB maybe hard).
@ExclusiveTrance
3 жыл бұрын
would this comp work with Fahrakin the Fat, Fayne and Septimus? for Force affinity CB and who would you use as your slow bob?
@Sebastian-pd1od
3 жыл бұрын
Hei dude , My team Banshee 123 Wesir 232 / Septi PK 223 ME 248 FAT 172 Works Fine on UNM. 50kk So i want the rota for NM 🙈😄 Greetings from Germany
@Sebastian-pd1od
3 жыл бұрын
For banshee u can use fayne
@Deathnow78
3 жыл бұрын
@Hell Hades I think you need to point out in your videos about how many books each champ is and what their cooldowns are down to. I got my champs almost identical to yours and it wouldn't work. But after rewatching the video, i've noticed that you plug in the cooldown and delay slots. Then looking further and seeing that Kreela is booked but maneater isn't booked by the way your numbers look. So people watching the video will make the same mistake i did. It'll really mess up the rotations. Do you have any advice on how you work out your delays?
@ronaldcheng7588
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with this...if this helps..I think you can refer to Deadwood Jedi's 3-1 budget unkillable comp for this. PK needs both A2 and A3 fully booked for cooldown. Maneater only needs his A3 fully booked (that is it). Kreela I'm guessing just her A2. Hope that helps good luck!
@Deathnow78
3 жыл бұрын
@@ronaldcheng7588 found out that you need kreela a3 booked and can get a2 to 100% chance or some say can fully book it.
@joshmorales770
3 жыл бұрын
Every time I open a void shard I hope for a Maneater; I have most of the other recommended team members on 'low budget' unkillable teams but I just can't get a hold of a Maneater.
@Edmash
3 жыл бұрын
how do you get this to work on spirit? my PK keeps geeting speed debuf and falling outa wack....
@karlrichardstorrheimr9524
3 жыл бұрын
I got this to work 2 times out of 5 on spirit. Tried increasing speed on ME as boss a1 goes off just before him on spirit, didnt work tho. 🤔
@TheRancidMoose
3 жыл бұрын
Got mine working today with Longbeard. Silver all gone from re- gearing, but now doing 20mil instead of 9 mil per key on NM. Thanks HH!
@TheRancidMoose
3 жыл бұрын
@@DerrickMrThomas ME 251, PK 222, LB 185, DPS 232, stun target 124. make sure nobody has turn meter masteries. that will start throwing you out of sync after buffs/debuffs start fading. also, I don't use ally attack until it is on auto.
@TheRancidMoose
3 жыл бұрын
i burned 2 keys before I realized that the doompriest i threw in because she was already at the right speed.... had rapid response mastery.
@ETIron
3 жыл бұрын
What's up HH - I followed your guide very closely, used the exact same speeds as your champs. Also used the stun calculator to make sure the stun lands on the slow champ, however after many attempts, the stun keeps landing on my kreela and thus failing the run. Any ideas on what i might be doing wrong? Cheers!
@lastboyscout73
3 жыл бұрын
I did the same thing, correct speeds, checked the stun calculator but it keeps hitting my Maneater and messing up the run.
@dustinbarber8967
3 жыл бұрын
@@lastboyscout73 For the first few turns the CB can also lean towards stunning your LEAD champ instead of another until their healths are different enough for it to stun your slow champ. try putting the slow champ in the lead position. May also be stunning it due to affinity, are you going against Void CB only?
@lastboyscout73
3 жыл бұрын
@@dustinbarber8967 this was the void CB on the 2 attempts I tried and I did have the lead as my slowest champ. He mentioned Kreela's shield could cause issues. She kept putting it on the Maneater so maybe that's why? Idk.
@quantumdream22
3 жыл бұрын
HH another incredible community video. Thank you so much as I can't wait to put this team on the field (or pitch)!
@Chef_Wigz
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks to smooth and you and dwj. Super helpful, 3 keys unm, working towards 2 key now. Awesome, awesome help
@jherman
3 жыл бұрын
I need you to try this with Martyr in place of Kreela. For... science :)
@Shad0wBill
3 жыл бұрын
I think that is too many A1s on painkeeper and she goes out of sync
@mrvalhalla6577
3 жыл бұрын
@@Shad0wBill that's exactly what would happen
@wystixx
3 жыл бұрын
@Johnny I'm one of the two co-creators of the comp. The comp would work fine with Martyr in the slow position against any affinity except Force. However, on UNM you'll only get one round of counterattacks instead of two. For the NM tune, you'll get the full two rounds of counterattacks without any issues.
@jherman
3 жыл бұрын
@@wystixx you’re amazing. Thank you
@jherman
3 жыл бұрын
@@wystixx Thanks for the reply. Did you try running her in kreelas place in rotation, rather than stun soak location?
@robshell9375
3 жыл бұрын
I keep consistently failing at getting this team to sync despite running identical speeds. I even tried the exact speeds you list in your tier list. The one thing I just realized however is that the guides all suggest that painkeeper is fully booked on her A2 and A3 but from your speed calc it looks like you haven't booked her fully as some of her skill CDs are still at 5. Is the A3 at 5 CD a requirement that I have missed with all these unkillable teams? Would hate to learn that is where I messed this build up. I will keep trying though!
@isaactrillo9262
3 жыл бұрын
There's a guide on how to use the calculator, there it's specified that you need to input an extra+1 on Pain Keeper's cooldowns for it to work properly on the calculator.
@mikespidle3360
3 жыл бұрын
Did you figure this out? I put it in the calculator, but the calculator doesn’t account for the ally attack 10% turn meter boost. It works in the calculator, but goes out of sync after ally attack. Works in UNM, but increasing my kreela’s speed by 10 in NM doesn’t do the trick. PK gets out of sync.
@robshell9375
3 жыл бұрын
@@mikespidle3360 Honestly, after a lot of reworking with my gear, it finally just all came together last night. My team right now is: ME, PK, Kreela, Rhazin and Occult. Working on switching out Rhazin for a more poison based champ like Zavia or FB but I dont have the silver to do it atm haha Doing between 25M-30M / run but I know that can be bumped up with better gear intended for damage
@robshell9375
3 жыл бұрын
My Speeds: ME 251 PK 223 Kreela 173 Rhazin 232 Occult 112 Still working on bumping up Occults speed a bit but the gear didnt work for me to get the right numbers and ensure he takes the slam
@mikespidle3360
3 жыл бұрын
@@robshell9375 awesome! I’m glad you figured it out! I was able to get mine too! I realized I didn’t do the delays properly for NM and had to boost up def just a tad bit since NM doesn’t hit as hard.
@tyrussell7462
3 жыл бұрын
Another solid vid HH, much appreciated. Question for you though... in the video you increase Kreela's speed by 12 (10 would be fine), but on your tier list Kreela's speed is listed 10 points higher in UNM than NM. I'm assuming the tier list is backwards as I saw it work in the video...?
@tyrussell7462
3 жыл бұрын
Looking into this deeper, neither the Painkeeper or Maneater you are using are fully booked? At least the best I can tell from the spell CD times in the CB Calculator. This makes a huge difference obviously...
@machaon7554
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thx for sharing! Any chance Occult for Grave and Draco for Frozen will also work?
@HellHadesWoR
3 жыл бұрын
perffectly!
@machaon7554
3 жыл бұрын
@@HellHadesWoR Thx again; finally I can enter the UK Business 😀
@urielm07
3 жыл бұрын
@@HellHadesWoR Does kreela's a2 need to be booked out?
@andrewmoore2012
3 жыл бұрын
This is wonderful; thank you! Always love your videos. I was thinking bulwark or viz instead of gravechill. What would you recommend?
@juankamm1
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video as always, Hell Hades! One question here :) Would it be possible using Montaun King as the slowboi? I tried it but the boss is arunning my Maneater now :/
@problematicbaker9617
3 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Few days ago I pulled my first Maneater and now I'm leveling up both Maneater and painkeeper. I did plan to build a team together with Warcaster, Fayne and Vizier (Warcaster an Fayne also are new). Before I "waste" time and ressources. Do you think the planned team would do better or should I hop on the Kreela train? Thanks in advance! :-)
@VojtechHorak6
3 жыл бұрын
amazing comp. doing 44m on UNM - fayne,aothar wirh right gear. great job
@swellmar
3 жыл бұрын
Are you running Fayne, Aothar, Kreela, Pain Keeper and Maneater? If so do you think its possible to run same comp as Hellhades But swishing Gravechill Killer for Fayne instead and still do 2 key UNM?
@ComboJarryd
3 жыл бұрын
with my previous team of Belanor lead, Vizier, Aothar, ME, PK i tried this replacing my Belanor for Kreela it works amazing but the damage done is a lot lower i didnt realise how impactful decrease def and weaken actually is! So now i cant wait to get enough epic books for Fayne so i can try her in place of Aothar/Occult Brawler.
@clownshoesmma6249
3 жыл бұрын
Been playing 18 months and still don’t have any of the game changing champions. No Seer, no Manesrer, no Serris, no Miscreated, no Alure, They’re a few others I still haven’t got but I can’t think of who they are right now. But hey I pulled my 1st cold heart a couple days ago so there’s that No skullcrusher no Jareg, no Gorgorab, no seeker, no M-Mage no Lua, no faceless. Anyone else have luck as crappy as mine?
@amernajah2313
3 жыл бұрын
damn i thought i had it shit what your legos?
@jaweiss34
3 жыл бұрын
Wait Faceless is a good champion?
@danielnutuloiu9786
3 жыл бұрын
Weirdly. My Painkeeper is booked and has 4 turns cd on both abilities. In your setup here it shows 5 and 5 with 3 and 1 delay. If I put the same it works. With my booked one I cannot make it work yet everything is identical. Tried all things possible ( delay or no delay on skills etc)
@NickOfTimeStudios
3 жыл бұрын
Have you tried running the team at all? Curious why Hades has his listed as 5 and 5 as well. That would be a partially booked PK which by all accounts isn't correct. Even considered it had something to do with his cooldown reduction ability, but that would effect him.
@danielnutuloiu9786
3 жыл бұрын
@@NickOfTimeStudios i havent tried it but the calculator shows clearly that it doesnt work so I don't know
@NickOfTimeStudios
3 жыл бұрын
@@danielnutuloiu9786 Found this: www.deadwoodjedi.com/easy-unkillable-guide-by-rust This also references putting 5/5 into the calculator for PK even though he is fully booked (also noted in the set-up guide). Unsure why, but they're smarter than me. Sounds like you're set with PK fully booked. Just work in the calculator with his cooldowns at 5/5.
@thanoslug
3 жыл бұрын
Could maybe even use a Bulwark for your stun target to get that chance at extending debuffs. Also, I notice the speeds are higher for this "budget" team than on the old budget team. Those speeds can be tough to get.
@floydandriessen3995
3 жыл бұрын
Important question, would this also work with fayne and occult brawler, or would this be too much turn meter decrease? Love your vids btw hell hades! Everything i know about the game comes from you
@a5cent
3 жыл бұрын
CB is immune to TM manipulation.
@floydandriessen3995
3 жыл бұрын
@@a5cent huh, are u sure? because hellhades himself always says to not get the TM manipulation masters.
@floydandriessen3995
3 жыл бұрын
masteries*
@a5cent
3 жыл бұрын
@@floydandriessen3995 Those masteries HH mentions boost your own TM. Those you really don't want. No masteries or abilities can affect the CB's TM.
@floydandriessen3995
3 жыл бұрын
Oh great, so even if it says steals turn meter like fayne; if it cant steal it cant gain it either i guess
@CGreen-xy9vn
3 жыл бұрын
Love that you did this video as I just set up the unkillable with ME and PK. I have Kreela but she kept messing up my timing. Is this setup as effective for Force CB as they are all Magic and concern for weak hits.
@jasonmelott5294
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Hades... question for you. If Kreela’s shield on A1 happens to be booked, is there any potential that this could cause issues or throw off the stun target? What should I consider ... any lowering or raising of DEF or HP? Thanks for helping the community.
@brycehustad1665
3 жыл бұрын
If you tune this the way it's shown and do NOT have the counterattack mastery on Kreela, the shield will only go out after AOE1 on the slow target and then AOE2 knocks the shield off easily. No worries about the shield
@Zashtheman
3 жыл бұрын
This isn't too surprising considering people have been using Retribution on PK in batmaneater comp. There's probably just some wiggle room with where the turn meter can end up without throwing anything off.
@Ph0neutria
3 жыл бұрын
This guide is also described here www.deadwoodjedi.com/easy-unkillable-guide-by-rust In the guide it's mentioned ally attack / counterattack won't work. So 224 speed on PK means it won't be messed up with ally attack?
@chrishahn7749
3 жыл бұрын
Great Vid again! Would it work with Catacomb Council too?
@marcusnoehren3666
3 жыл бұрын
I've seen somebody make 47m with this Combo. I personally don't have Kreela, so I use ME, PK, Frozen Banshee @ 4:3, Fayne, and a 2nd FB as Slow. My Slow is just 5*, and only the 4:3 FB has optimized Gear. But I am already at around 35m per key.
@ronaldcheng7588
3 жыл бұрын
Wow this is interesting what speeds are you running? I am building two Faynes and have a few other options on slowboy to make sure the stun binds. I hit around 33-36 mil on NM and 28-30 mil on UNM with 2xFB and Kael as the main. Have been looking for more dmg to take me to an easy one key NM and two key UNM. I was wondering if someone used a FB as a slowboy..as I was looking to switch to this exact same comp!
@kp2024t
3 жыл бұрын
Do they all have high crit atk and dmg? I'm running a similar comp with Bulwark instead of Fayne and can do max 24m/key only
@marcusnoehren3666
3 жыл бұрын
@@ronaldcheng7588 I found the Speeds on the Deadwoodjedi Discord, but they were posted by other players: Maneater 246-252 Pain Keeper 224-228 Fast DPS 229-237 DPS (171-172 on Brutal and UNM, 179-187 on NM) Slowboi (123 on Brutal and UNM, 125-126 on NM) UNM Setup: PK: A2 1 turn delay, A3 3 turn delay NM Setup (Gear swap for DPS to increase speed): Maneater: A3 - 1 turn delay PK: A2 - 3 turn delay, A4 - 4 turn delay Brutal Setup: ME: A3 - 2 turn delay PK: A2 - 3 turn delay, A3 - 1 turn delay
@marcusnoehren3666
3 жыл бұрын
@@kp2024t That was my comp before Fayne.I just reaced 36m with this comp, and my Slow FB is not even 6 Star yet. But I had to optimize the Damage output of FB and Fayne. Both have around 100% Crit Chance, and around 130% Crit Dmg. Also around 3k Atk. My Fayne doesn't have a Crit Dmg Amulett yet. I know I could squeeze more Damage out of the comp by optimizing ME and PKs Gear, and also get Slow FB to 60 + Warmaster. I'm not aiming for any records, just 2-Key UNM. But I can tell you getting to this point took a few days and lots of silver.
@marcusnoehren3666
3 жыл бұрын
@@ronaldcheng7588 Btw, when building your Fayne's you don't Ascend them both. The Fayne without Ascension won't have Decrease Atk, which you don't need in Unkillable Teams, but also is very helpful for Speed Teams in Spider. I unfortunately ascended her, and wished I hadn't.
@mikespidle3360
3 жыл бұрын
Can anyone help? This works on UNM like bread and butter. However, when I put it in NM, PK gets out of sync and messes the whole thing up when Kreela does ally attack. Even when I increased Kreela’s speed by 10. I did put it in the calculator and it showed it “working with the speeds” but it doesn’t account for ally attack. What should I do? Pretty much PK gets in front of the fast DPS and goes down hill from there.
@spakerman
3 жыл бұрын
Looks great as always.. now if I could just get a maneater.
@tjfaudale5114
3 жыл бұрын
I just need to get a Maneater and I'm all set to try this. Cool video thanks for sharing!
@SmurfKenny
3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. Only problem is that maneater does NOT seem to be a budget champ. Never get him. Can he be replaced in this setup with someone? Sir Nick maybe?
@overborn1238
3 жыл бұрын
what about green cb with decrease speed? and which cd we need for ally-attack? this MAY ruin comp if pk makes a1 too often
@brycehustad1665
3 жыл бұрын
For Spirit affinity, take your 4:3 dps'r from 232ish and drop it to 192. Run as normal. I just swapped out speed boots for attack % boots and... bam. All good in the hood
@codycannon1582
3 жыл бұрын
Just took a few hours and got this team set up except with Longbeard, and wow I'm impressed.
@nickolaskampney9268
3 жыл бұрын
See. I've tried a kreela mix before, and ended up doing massively less damage than what I usually run on my budget unkillable even though it runs fine. I usually run double FB and OB slow on budget unkillable, it works on 3 affinities like a dream, ballpark of 35m. I've tried kreela and gravechill and rhaz in different roles, but I always end up doing less damage in the end. -MouningSage.
@Vin68142
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting I need to try this out, I have all 5 champs, I currently run PK/ME/Aothar/Nethril/Frozen and I normally get in the range of 23-26m vs void. This is awesome with a possible 2 key, need to look into it tomorrow.
@vincentzuidema7819
3 жыл бұрын
I've been running ME, PK, FB, Septimus and Bulwark as the slow boy and have been averaging ~32mil on NM with a high of ~36mil. You think switching out Bulwark and making Kreela the target make a difference?
@stefanadrianboca5533
3 жыл бұрын
Using the same speeds as you with the same HP and def and it falls out of sync (i replaced grave with Aothar) and I checked the stun calculator and it shows ok on Aothar (slow boy) and the speed calculator and it still fails for me. I think budget unkillable are not for me. :(
@mikespidle3360
3 жыл бұрын
@@DerrickMrThomas i feel this. My team is also working fine in UNM. Adding +9/10 speed to Kreela.. Falls out of sync after 15 ally turns taken. So after the second aoe it goes: fast dps > pk a1 > ME a1... then falls out of sync and the slow dps takes a turn before the Kreela a1..and goes downhill from there
@mikespidle3360
3 жыл бұрын
@@DerrickMrThomas thank you so much brother! So I actually didn’t do the delay in the guide properly. When I wrote it down and did it that way I was able to get it. Just barely a 1 key on NM. 2 key UNM. Thank you so much for offering to help! That means the world!!
@smstnitc
3 жыл бұрын
I've been using kreela for NM since I got her from the fragment summon... no speed tuning on my team, and it's doing 34mil pretty consistently on auto. I run a Martyr lead, with Kreela, Siphi, Vizier, and Bad-El. I have a feeling they might be accidentally speed tuned though.
@ronaldcheng7588
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Hell hades looking to work on this..but it running the numbers in the speed calculator and it must be noted to run this comp..you need to rebuild your painkeeper..because she is only partly booked (5 turn CD on A2 and A3). This not the same as a budget unkillable comp where she is on a 4 turn cd for both.
@eddieman8534
3 жыл бұрын
Hey HH just missing pain keeper was just wondering does Kreela need to be fully booked. Thanks M8 keep up the good work!
@alexanderscheuber9314
3 жыл бұрын
@Hellhades Ive got the same dmg on all my champs except frozen banshee in this case - ive got 4m less and thats the reason its not a 2 key. Your FB got 400 more Attack and 50% more krit dmg - is this 4m difference worth ?
@robertgaerlan349
3 жыл бұрын
I couldn't get mine to work on NM. My comp is ME, PK, FB, Grave, Bulwark. I followed your masteries setup. It shows on the stun calculator that gravechill takes the stun all the way but ME still took a stun on the actual battle. I dunno where i went wrong
@biljancanin
3 жыл бұрын
I*m just curious about why spirit does not throw PK's speed out If its as easy as to just change boots on the DPS then its amazing and my Catacomb Councilor has finally something to do. Also, is Kreela booked? He ally attack is on a 3 turn cooldown if booked and Councilor's is on a 4 turn if booked. Hope it does not matter...
@danyikaa86
3 жыл бұрын
Does it work with any affinities? Should be by the looks of it,but doesn't dec speed throw this off? Good video,thanks :)
@HellHades
3 жыл бұрын
See answer to pinned comment
@walterbrown8293
3 жыл бұрын
With Kreela you could do 4* speed boots for UNM and 6* for NM
@bachngan388
3 жыл бұрын
That's very impressive. I have all the champs you have and only need to level them up, gear them well, and put masteries on them.
@touachue6008
3 жыл бұрын
Does the infinity matter/effect who will get stun?
@ronaldcheng7588
3 жыл бұрын
Yes it does, even in my normal budget unkillable comp. It relies on CB targeting the slowboy all the time. In affinitiy situations if the CB gets a weak hit on the slowboy and everyone else except PK and ME because they are neutral affinity the stun will move to them and the comp desyncs. I run a triple magic comp which works on magic (because it is a neutral affinity so it no more desirable than PK and ME) and force as magic is week so slowboy is always targeted. Then for spirit I switch my slowboy to force affinity (so he is always targeted because he get hit so hard).
@franchutenis
3 жыл бұрын
does this work with non void affinnity? seems like i have everything right but it aint working for me
@adamsolis1277
3 жыл бұрын
This does not appear to work for me either, at least for NM. When I plug all numbers into the calculator for NM, which are identical to his, ME does not attack immediately before AOE 1. I've noticed that in the calculator, he lists PK as having 5 turn cds on both A2 & A3, which when I change in my own numbers everything lines up nicely. However, in his NM run, we can see that he is using a PK that is fully booked with 4 turn cds on both skills. Having the correct cds throws things off. Any clarification would be greatly appreciated!
@franchutenis
3 жыл бұрын
@@adamsolis1277 yeah tried it also on void, but it didnt work for me
@adamsolis1277
3 жыл бұрын
@@franchutenis I seem to have found a way for it to work on both UNM and NM, although it's a little wonky and not 100%. For UNM, I believe kreela's first ally attack must include PK for it to sync up properly. For NM, do not use kreela's ally attack at all (until you hit the auto button). These strats seem to have worked for me on force affinity.
@franchutenis
3 жыл бұрын
@@adamsolis1277 i will try that thanks
@franchutenis
3 жыл бұрын
@@adamsolis1277 worked for me on blue tyvm, managed to 1key nightmare
@tophXCR7
3 жыл бұрын
everyone talking about maneater but i cant get my hands on a damn painkeeper
@castawaysmanager85
3 жыл бұрын
i get her like every shard pull, maneater.... no dice!!
@thingsthatgo6786
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid @HellHades I've got my team setup as described (just trying to get it working for void atm). Stun calc says gravechilled should be getting the stun every time. CB Calc turns seem to be correct for the first 4 turns that I can see in the vid too. * But Kreela's A1 keeps putting the small shield on gravechilled (because she's got most HP missing), causing the stun to go to Maneater & the run fails * Does Kreela need to be booked to get the turn order right? I've used all my silver & most my glyphs to get the SPD, HP & DEF right, and I'm running out of ideas - any help would be great :)
@brianfrey2854
3 жыл бұрын
I use longbeard so I cant really help with kreela troubleshooting, but I would double check to make sure you have lifedrinker on everyone except your stun target? May get lucky and it be something simple.
@thingsthatgo6786
3 жыл бұрын
@@brianfrey2854 unfortunately I tried that too. mastieries are exactly as described in the vid. Thanks though :)
@FredSimmondsJr
3 жыл бұрын
The elusive Maneater ... got Siphi, Draco, Valk, Duchess, Shazar, Ma'Shallad, but I canna pull that ogre to save my life !
@alexandrumuresan8357
3 жыл бұрын
I have everything regarding the champions,,biggest concern in the get those Sts on champs I don't have any option to get do that speed
@briansimonsen5307
3 жыл бұрын
Can this be done with occult brawler instead of frozen banshee? and what about a counter attacker in the team?
@benjaminroe311ify
3 жыл бұрын
Yes. And with Counter attack? Probably...
@pierredutrol3115
3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I was trying to think how to make kreela work with budget ME and u just did it! Awesome... I did 56.6M on UNM on my first attempt today with Fayne and Septimus as lead/slow boy. Much love
@swellmar
3 жыл бұрын
What setup? Fayne, Septimus, Kreela, Painkeeper and Maneater? And WHO do you use as stun target ? :)
@pierredutrol3115
3 жыл бұрын
@@swellmar Septimus was my stun target, but i changed my team now to "free" septimus for other purposes. Now fayne is my stun target and other dps is vizir
@swellmar
3 жыл бұрын
@@pierredutrol3115 Ok, So What 5 Champions did you run back then doing 56.6M on UNM in this budget maneater comp? And What 5 do you run today?
@pierredutrol3115
3 жыл бұрын
@@swellmar Before : ME/Kreela/PK/fayne/septimus(stun), 54-58M/key | Now : ME/Kreela/PK/vizir/fayne(stun). Doing 58-62M/key now..
@swellmar
3 жыл бұрын
@@pierredutrol3115 Awesome, have all the champs you mentioned. Do you use the same speeds as in this video? Or what build do you use for all the champs?
@Alex-ik3tr
3 жыл бұрын
They should buff Roschard the Tower to give also immunity haha :D so hard to get Maneater
@musicandsummit4045
3 жыл бұрын
is it possible to add a counter attack champ on that comp... i imagine it will further increase the damage...
@ronaldcheng7588
3 жыл бұрын
Not that I have found, but I have put retaliation gear on all my dmg dealers & slowboy..they have a 30% to counter att and on affinity bosses this doubles. This gives you extra hits and poison without desyncing your PK. My budget unkillable has hit 33-36mil on NM and 28-30 mil on UNM (double FB and Kael as a slowboy).
@1stToefur
3 жыл бұрын
Man this is tricky. I matched the speeds with the same champs as HH but getting the right ratio of health to armor seems to be the hard part. I've gotten the run to work once, but the rest of the time for some reason Maneater or Painkeeper become the stun target. One time I got all the way to stage 35 then PK died. The stun calc says Gravechill should get the stun each time, but she doesn't. I don't know if it's Kreela's shield buff throwing it off or not. I'm working on raising ME's defense, but I went broke credit wise getting their gear leveled up to get those crazy speeds needed. Hopefully higher def and attack will help him heal more and not become the target.
@paulkingrex3222
3 жыл бұрын
This is my team and it works perfectly. Hope it helps you hit the right ratios for the stun to work. Occult Brawler (stun target): 42K HP and 1,1K DEF Kreela: 32K HP and 3,1 DEF FB: 30K HP and 2,5 DEF PK: 35K HP and 2,1 DEF ME: 35K HP and 2,7 DEF
@1stToefur
3 жыл бұрын
@@paulkingrex3222 I've still only gotten it to work a few times. ME or PK keep eating a stun around turn 9-15 and screws it all up and I don't know why. Even doing it manually, so I know a skill isn't being skipped. ME 34k HP 2.8k DEF PK 33k HP 2.8k DEF FB 28K HP 2.4K DEF Kreela 32K HP 2.8k DEF Gravechill (Stun) 41k HP 1.3k DEF
@paulkingrex3222
3 жыл бұрын
@@1stToefur I would try to lower Gravechill def closer to 1k and raise her HP closer to 43k so that the damage mitigation is around 40%. Hope it works!
@MCook-jk1bs
3 жыл бұрын
Great video I have all those champ I am working to level and gear... thank for info... and the links to the deadwood sight
@jamesmeno4998
3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how it would work on unm with OB, Venus and Richtoff as dps. Going to try it tonight. Thanks for the info. Would love to get two key on unm so I can two key nm and get more resources each day
@kingsvoice
3 жыл бұрын
Arrrgh I need a Maneater , I’ve got everyone else lol. Brilliant 😀👍🏼
@MichaeLTPeterSS
2 жыл бұрын
i have the budget unkillable with maneater and painkeeper and i have kreela as well for this comp and i was wondering if i could run ninja as my dps and geomancer as my stun target or if ninjas a1 will cause issues. If its possible do i need to run him slower so that it doesnt mess things up.
@desireebryant3658
3 жыл бұрын
Do the champs need to be the same as or can u swap out both frozen banshee and gravechill as long as speeds are relatively close?
@HellHades
3 жыл бұрын
Both dos can be any dps
@kumbertjoehl-lee8898
3 жыл бұрын
Who else is viable to be tge stun target? Would you say someone like Rhazin is viable? Might go with Occult if not but would like a def down and weaken guy in there. Is Kreela fully booked? Only have her A2 booked becausw of the cooldown
@thomasknogl6159
3 жыл бұрын
i despair.. snyc always fails about round 11-13 .. stun works, masteries are definitely okay. Speed for Ultra Nightmare are Painkeeper 224 , Maneater 253 , Banshee 233, Kreela 182 and Stun (Brawler) 124 .. Kreelas A3 is also Booked. Any Ideas ? I´m not sure about Speed from Kreela, in Tier list stands 172 for UNM
@iamlukeselby
3 жыл бұрын
Tried this several times now for the NM run but its not working. Something is off when following the same speeds and the slowboi ends up being taken out as unkillable falls off. I dropped the speed a little but still no luck
@paulkingrex3222
3 жыл бұрын
Same here, it works great in UNM, but in NM it gets out of sync.
@adamsolis1277
3 жыл бұрын
Having the same problem here. Did you find a solution?
@iamlukeselby
3 жыл бұрын
@@adamsolis1277 Never found a solution. Just surrendered and kept a 2 key NM using a different comp and 2 key UNM using the kreela unkillable comp
@mattguedon2387
3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't this have a chance of failing completely every once in a while? If the speed tune includes PK getting her TM boost with Kreela's team attack, what happens when she isn't part of the team attack? Kreela's team attack only pulls in 3 allies, not 4 like Longbeard.
@HellHades
3 жыл бұрын
I tried a lots did others and never seen it fail yet
@wystixx
3 жыл бұрын
@Matt The way the comp is designed the extra turn meter from PK's potential ally attack will always be wasted. It won't cause her to take her turn early if she gets it, and she won't take her turn late if she doesn't get it.
@connorwatson7162
3 жыл бұрын
Hey HH, great team, how do you address fighting the spirit champion who slows speed and messes with the rotation? I just ran the comp, worked perfectly first vs magic, but I notice painkeeper in the first rotation looses her block debuffs prior to the second hit, and now when running vs spirit, the decrease speed debuff takes her out of sync
@brianfrey2854
3 жыл бұрын
My issue with green was CB was stunning the wrong people. I had Frozen Banshee as my slow/stun target so on green affinity he just ignored her. I fixed this issue by just making Occult Brawler another stun/slow target and replaced Frozen Banshee with him. Idk if that is your issue, I'd suspect it is, so hopefully just making another slow boy of a different affinity works for you too.
@DraxisTheDragon
3 жыл бұрын
I made your team (Just Gravechill -> Occult Brawler)... Pretty nice! Not that good equip, so not that good kill, but close (33M) Thanks :)
@rotemand
3 жыл бұрын
do you think fayne or rhazin will do more dmg than kreela? they put dec def and weaken so seems way better than ally attack..
@HellHades
3 жыл бұрын
I doubt it all those extra attacks mount up
@dacentabaal
Жыл бұрын
Are there update for Pain Keeper? Because everywhere else I've seen they are kitting her in 3 speed sets or two speed with a perception
@Humstuck
3 жыл бұрын
that maneater ... still eluding me. I have painkeeper and everything else :D
@NickOfTimeStudios
3 жыл бұрын
@Hell Hades Is there a reason I'm missing as to why you entered 5/5 on PK's A2 and A3 into the calculator? Fully booked both are on a 4 turn cooldown.
@harrisongray5324
3 жыл бұрын
yea noticed the same thing why no mention of this in the video
@thepurrpalace3506
3 жыл бұрын
There are more thorough instructions under the tabs in deadwoodjedi’s website regarding painkeepers abilities and how they affect how you use the speed calculator
@thepurrpalace3506
3 жыл бұрын
I’m trying to figure all this out as well. It’s not quite working for me yet and it’s quite frustrating 🤨
@stoobystoobydoo
3 жыл бұрын
I was so excited when I got these two Champs. Now I'm let down because I have to have so much speed and defense on them that it's gonna take me months to get the gear
@diyjohn9584
3 жыл бұрын
Appears almost all teams require a pain keeper, either with tower or Maneater. No pain, no gain.
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