I flew a P180 for four years accumulating approximately 1600 hours in type, Juan’s description of the aircraft was “spot on” and the P180 was a very stable and enjoyable aircraft to fly…….I do miss not flying it anymore!
@homomorphic
Жыл бұрын
It is also a beautiful aircraft.
@NicolaW72
Жыл бұрын
@@homomorphic Yes, very "Avantgarde"!
@pomerau
Жыл бұрын
The flying characteristics part was interesting from Juan and your good self. I hadn't thought about them much in recent years; but as a private chauffeur I had a regular mature client couple who favoured the Piaggio around 2005 - 2007 and flew regularly between Biggin Hill or Cambridge UK and Mallorca. I had to bring a forgotten item in to them (2 people) before a flight and they had presumably the preferred seats against the back wall, I think in line with the engines so I guess noise and vibration wasn't an issue either. I also didn't know they have had an excellent safety record; then I never see incident reports involving one. Weird how the whole design "took off" but was not generally copied. I'm sure more recent design exec turbos are more efficient. Rest in Peace this poor family and pilot. (Yeh I guess I just wanted to say I was in one)
@mvd4436
Жыл бұрын
Was there anything unconventional about flying the aircraft ?
@sagemaster3408
Жыл бұрын
You do miss not flying it anymore. So that means u r flying it.
@BaSiC47
Жыл бұрын
I'm from germany and Rainer Schaller was literally my neighbour during the school time. He was a good man and a very clever businessman with big visions. My concerns are that only one pilot who was 66 years old could have caused this accident. My thoughts were that a second pilot probably could have prevented the accident.
@thomasaltruda
Жыл бұрын
I agree with another poster.. I flew the Piaggio for about 1800 hours and my opinion was that Juan was spot on about this aircraft! You obviously talked to someone trained on it! If only the media did a fraction of the research that Juan does…
@shopart1488
Жыл бұрын
Thank you to your wife for the perfect translation. And thank you Juan for the excellent reporting.
@LateNightCable
Жыл бұрын
It wasn’t a perfect translation, pretty loose actually. In fact she omitted the distance between airport and wreckage sight until he asked if there were distances mentioned. Seemed like she wanted to get back to knitting or something.
@EA-vd4gd
Жыл бұрын
@@LateNightCable por qué insultar a alguién que obviamente no es una traductora profesional y simplemente le está haciendo un favor a su esposo? Mejor quedarse callado.
@easyvideo100
Жыл бұрын
The pilot was my FI examiner, some 20 years ago... a great and respected guy. Condolences to all involved families
@Jimmy-Knowledge
Жыл бұрын
with blood in his hand, yes!
@miguelon733
Жыл бұрын
@@Jimmy-Knowledge You are so stupid.
@Jimmy-Knowledge
Жыл бұрын
@@miguelon733 better stupid than bloody hands.
@johnengland8619
Жыл бұрын
That's not bragging rights
@dontheo25
Жыл бұрын
This pilot had an perfect reputation , I live Switzerland and Fly frequently in a chatered Piaggio 180 evo , this is a one of the savest planes in the world , I think the Pilot has been vaccinated with the Covid vaccines and suffered health problems , my condolances to all families involved .
@christinecortese9973
Жыл бұрын
Air crashes are the great equalizer of the aviation world. The successful, the humble, the enthusiast - Rest In Peace everyone.
@NicolaW72
Жыл бұрын
Indeed.
@carlwilliams6977
Жыл бұрын
Hate to be a stickler for details, but death is "the great equalizer". Nobody gets out alive! Whether you're killed in an air, auto crash or by cancer, it just speeds up the process!
@reubenmorris487
Жыл бұрын
@@carlwilliams6977 #MORBIDITY#!!
@jpkatz1435
Жыл бұрын
@@carlwilliams6977 This is true, and we hope we look upon the lesson of the death of the body with Love, Compassion and the deeper Understanding of Wisdome.
@fromaggiovagiola9128
Жыл бұрын
@@carlwilliams6977 I don't know any poor people that died heli-skiing.
@ginacalabrese3869
Жыл бұрын
I worked for Avantair for a few years. It was run so poorly that it is a miracle that they never had a fatal accident. They had several airframes that became parts planes because they owed Piaggio so much money they couldn't get parts from the manufacturer. When the company finally folded Steve and Kevin made off with a bunch of money while the fractional owners were out tons of money with their planes scattered at FBOs and maintenance facilities around the country with huge unpaid bills.
@MichaelBrown-pg5dy
Жыл бұрын
yeah and don't forget the mismatched engines scattered all over the world because they were essentially parting our their fleet. I agree, amazing there was never a fatal accident. My buddy was a captain, had some good times in those planes
@accidentalfire1727
Жыл бұрын
Wow. That sounds like a real nightmare.
@jonasbaine3538
Жыл бұрын
shame it's very difficult to find out charter company history before flying with them unless someone shares inside info like you.
@beardedbarnstormer9577
Жыл бұрын
Don't forget they single handedly killed piaggio because they bought up all the avantis the GA market was non existent. This plane absolutely should have knocked king air from it's perch but avantair killed thay
@toadelevator
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I loved it when they had the facility at PIE (St Petersburg). They were buzzing over my place several times each day. My favorite GA aircraft
@kurtboginski507
Жыл бұрын
After listiening to the discription of the ADS-B data, my first thought was pilot incapacitation. Rather than drawing opinions, lets wait and see what the accident investigators conclude. Thanks Juan and Jenny for a great report.
@gocanada9749
Жыл бұрын
Maybe he passed out ?
@calvintruckerdog3363
Жыл бұрын
I flew the Piaggio for two years. I'm not as much of a fan of the aircraft as many seem to be. Had multiple unusual failures. One reminds me of this aircrafts final minutes. On approach to Lexington KY, disengaged the outpilot at 1500', the aircraft pitched straight up. Took everything I had to push the yoke forward. Then it pitch straight down. When we touched down, aircraft left the centerline violently heading for the grass. Long story short, maintenance pulled the cabin floor boards up to discover 6 to 8 inches of frozen water, (ice) from front to back, encasing the control cables. Maintenance personnel couldn't believe we had any control. I have the pictures. I will post if interested. Had it happen one other time, but not to that extent. Very quirky aircraft. I never felt comfortable in it.
@alfredomarquez9777
Жыл бұрын
Please give us more in depth information! And post your pictures, please!!!
@calvintruckerdog3363
Жыл бұрын
@@alfredomarquez9777 I will. Just came across this story tonight. I'm out of town. Pictures are on my desktop at home. I can access them Thursday afternoon. Might even have the Nasa report as well.
@foxiedogitchypaws7141
Жыл бұрын
@@calvintruckerdog3363 my son is a private pilot, 2 planes, flying since he was 18, 20 plus years now, I always Always stress safety and double check the plane, weather Always!
@tonywilson4713
Жыл бұрын
When you get a chance can you give us a brief on what the conclusion was to how the ice formed. And if possible send that to Juan. Can you also tell us in that list of P180 incidents which one is yours?
@calvintruckerdog3363
Жыл бұрын
@@tonywilson4713 I will. Thursday afternoon I'll be home with docs available. The company I worked for did everything to hide that issue. Long story I'll discuss if interested.
@littlemopete931
Жыл бұрын
Thanks to Mrs blancolirio for translating!
@MessOfThings
Жыл бұрын
The original Blancolirio!
@littlemopete931
Жыл бұрын
@@MessOfThings very true
@dryan8377
Жыл бұрын
@@littlemopete931 This... she named the channel!
@MattLassota
Жыл бұрын
I've been flying Piaggio's for 4 years I can say it is a great flying airplane and is a real blast to fly. Sad to hear of the types first fatal, looking forward to seeing the outcome of the investigation.
@craigbmm4675
Жыл бұрын
sounds like Juan is spot on being pilot incapacitation .. be interesting to find cause . Sad news for sure
@aschro6230
Жыл бұрын
oh hey matt. its alex schroeder haha. one of the old CSR's with you guys.
@MattLassota
Жыл бұрын
@@aschro6230 HEY!
@SGTMARSHALL1
Жыл бұрын
@@robertgift vaccine induced blood clot would be my calculated cause
@barrybickle7992
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Juan, really appreciate your job here. You do such a great job in reporting these accidents. Too bad that we have so many accidents.
@NicolaW72
Жыл бұрын
Yes, indeed.
@kevinpenner7125
Жыл бұрын
He sure has his hands full.
@Alvan81
Жыл бұрын
I'm no Aviator. But regarding the earlier incident with the other aircraft ; I never "disregard vibration" even on my shopping carts!
@charleseinarson
Жыл бұрын
I was landing at KOLM in Olympia, Washington as a low time student pilot. The tower asked if I would take 2 right 360s to allow a plane to pass. My CFI asked why if we were that far apart… tower said it was a P.180 and was going to overtake us by almost 100 knots. I was more than happy to let them pass.. we landed and taxied to the parking spot across from them and they were so much faster that they landed, parked, grabbed coffee and were looking at weather when I walked in the FBO.
@marcosancho1060
Жыл бұрын
I am Costarrican. They found 2 bodies on weekend. A P3 Orión from the US it's helping also. The company who runs the plane said there are no black box or voice recording. No mayday calls. It was at the caribbean waters
@jamescollier3
Жыл бұрын
pilot pass out?
@louissanderson719
Жыл бұрын
I saw that P3 on flight radar the other day whilst browsing. Looked like a custom’s and border one
@idanceforpennies281
Жыл бұрын
There's a setting on one of the cameras which long-range detects the very distinctive multi-coloured sheen of fuel on the surface of water. It's a powerful detection tool for SAR, but it's mainly used for MARPOL compliance issues.
@dryan8377
Жыл бұрын
@@louissanderson719 Probably is since most Navy P3's are out of service. Any platform screwing around looking for dope pushers always doubles as a search and rescue vehicle.
@NicolaW72
Жыл бұрын
That´s what I feared - no CVR, no FDR, unfortunately. The investigation will be very difficult therefore.
@LatitudeSky
Жыл бұрын
Used to work next to a major airport and we heard jets and such all the time. But while outside one day, I started hearing one of the weirdest sounds I've ever heard. It was no jet. It was no turboprop. It was the most bizarre noise. And one of these P180s lifted off the runway and flew right over me. It took a long time to stop saying WOW. RIP to the occupants, condolences to the families.
@johnmajane3731
Жыл бұрын
The Avanti has a great safety record, this is a very sad incidence. They have impressive, jet like performance. Thanks for covering this.
@56Spookdog
Жыл бұрын
Juan you and Jenny have wonderful on air voices, good team work.
@berndog3
Жыл бұрын
As always, a great, professional and detailed report without 30 minutes of "look at everything I know." Thanks. The P180 is my favorite turboprop with the Mitsubishi MU2 a close second. I owned a Piaggio once but it was called a Vespa :).
@yachtcaptain7320
Жыл бұрын
I love the Mitsu ! (also know as the "flying vacuum cleaner" due to the substantial amount of noise made by the turboprops.
@toomanyuserids
Жыл бұрын
The MU2 doesn't have a great reputation...there's one tied down at SQL that I don't think has moved in twenty years.
@yachtcaptain7320
Жыл бұрын
@@toomanyuserids It is a very special airplane indeed. Doesn't have ailerons (the roll is controlled by spoliers) and the Garret turbine works almost all the time in constant RPM, therefore the incredibly loud scream when taxing. But a sexy plane indeed !
@MrOlgrumpy
Жыл бұрын
😉
@berndog3
Жыл бұрын
@@toomanyuserids Yea, the reason was determined many years ago to be poor or incomplete pilot training rather than any fault with the aircraft itself. It is robust, fast, and comfortable.
@SKYGUY1
Жыл бұрын
I loved this design from the first time I saw it. I first saw one in person about a year ago when one of them landed here at KOLS (Nogales, AZ) and the pilot took me and one of my flight students aboard for a quick tour. The design certainly seemed to capitalize on every positive aspect of aerodynamics to enhance speed, while still making for a roomy cabin. The trailing props also "leave the noise behind" which lends to the quiet ride. That last little pull-up on the flightradar24 profile might have indicated a passenger input attempting to save the plane following the possible incapacitation of the pilot. Sorry for the people who died and their families and friends.
@bernieschiff5919
Жыл бұрын
Yes, that pullup appears to be unsteady, as if someone had switched off the autopilot and attempted a climb (back into low cloud or haze) possible distraction, and loss of control in IMC.
@CadillacPat1
Жыл бұрын
Terry Ketron I concur. My thoughts based on the flight profile are that the 66 year old pilot had a heart attack, went forward onto the yoke, and a passenger tried to save the plane. The question I have is WHY did the plane again continue down.
@sootikins
Жыл бұрын
@@CadillacPat1 Possibly the passenger pulled up, got spooked by the sensation of sudden transition to climb, panicked and slammed the yoke forward to "correct". But we don't know if anybody onboard besides the pilot knew a single thing about flying an airplane so whoever grabbed the controls may have been bombarded with screamed conflicting "instructions" from clueless pax. Or not - just theorizing.
@craigbmm4675
Жыл бұрын
agree
@teelurizzo8542
Жыл бұрын
Should't there be a 2 men crew precisely to avoid such a situation? Not trying to play 'ageism', but shouldn't it be mandatory, especially so when the pilot is 66 year old?
@jiveturkey9993
Жыл бұрын
Shes a good translator.
@Erated78
Жыл бұрын
Condolences to the families involved in this tragic event. I live in flight paths of Cessna 208 Caravans with the PT6 engine and I look up at them every time in awe at it’s speed and wonderful sound - these P180s sound 10 times better. Cheers
@foxiedogitchypaws7141
Жыл бұрын
Me too! Albertville Alabama airport.
@specforged5651
Жыл бұрын
Ya those Caravans are speed demons!
@duncandmcgrath6290
Жыл бұрын
@@specforged5651 🤣
@duncandmcgrath6290
Жыл бұрын
Oh for sure 208's ....blink and ya miss em .
@Booboobear-eo4es
Жыл бұрын
I'm impressed with the translator's memory. She was able to absorb a great amount of info and translate accordingly.
@mouselovinlady
Жыл бұрын
I always admire Jeni’s skill. Just as efficient in French too.
@noe616
Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing she had a transcript and translated beforehand. If not she's a borg.
@2760ade
Жыл бұрын
@@noe616 Definitely! She translated a lot of detailed information from each segment of the speech. I don't think anyone would have that translation/memory capacity. Or maybe she IS a borg! 😂
@wizardmix
Жыл бұрын
Thank you again for all the great reporting you do. I just personally don't think I could ever trust a private plane with a single pilot. If I had that level of money and my family with me, I'd insist on a captain and FO. If I'm already spending that much money for a private plane, what's the price of one more qualified pilot? Maybe statistically I'm far more likely to die in a car accident but still, seems like a lot of people are meeting their end this way lately and it's just so sad.
@SteamCrane
Жыл бұрын
Kobe...
@P_RO_
Жыл бұрын
I feel the same way, but we trust single-person-operated busses, heli's, ferries, trains, taxis, and more. Even with redundancy the second person may be away from the control area and not able to get there in time to save the situation. For me I know the risk I'm taking as I've given it thought whereas most people never consider it. Bottom line we can't live forever, and some risks are worth taking when the benefits are large and the risks small.
@wizardmix
Жыл бұрын
@@P_RO_ I did think about that. I'm not saying I'm being entirely rational but at least being in the air with a 66 year old pilot, well, everyone makes their own decisions. Busses can be taken over, trains have failsafes if the operator becomes unresponsive. I take risks too but I think if I were putting my family into a pressurized tube, I'd be more careful. Again that's just me.
@wizardmix
Жыл бұрын
@@SteamCrane indeed.
@pilotboy2612
Жыл бұрын
@@wizardmix I see you have an eclipse for your profile. Can you see it where you are?
@MonstroLab
Жыл бұрын
A beautiful Piaggio Avanti charter flys over my office in Sarasota Florida at least once a day for the past 5 years or so, i dont need to be outside to recognize it, because the sound is so distinct. Very sad to hear about this but glad its not the same airplane, its become a local celebrity
@leunam3434
Жыл бұрын
My father used to work for an airline. We never flew together and the six kids were split into two groups to save half the family in the likelihood of a crash.
@rickhammond2473
Жыл бұрын
Smart move on his part.✌
@kevingraham8249
Жыл бұрын
Separate cars to the airport too? I mean 1 in 600 to die in a car crash vs. 1 in 10000 ish in a plane crash.
@migbham1
Жыл бұрын
Damn. Many people would find the mere act of having six kids to be beyond adequate mitigation.
@arielleblond6201
Жыл бұрын
My parents always did the same.
@Chesterdkat377
Жыл бұрын
Very good report Juan. I’ll offer a couple of tidbits. The Avanti was a design collaboration between Ohio State University and Gates-Learjet inspired by the idea of creating a fuel efficient business aircraft post fuel crisis of the 1970’s. When Bombardier acquired Lear there was no interest in their part to produce a turboprop so Piaggio acquired the design. Dave, 3800 hours P180 Piaggio Avanti.
@ljfinger
Жыл бұрын
I know the guy who designed the props for this plane. IIRC, he told me the unique noise is caused by blade-vortex interaction (prop blade - wing trailing edge vortex). It's one of my favorite planes.
@chadx8269
Жыл бұрын
That plane is loud.
@louissanderson719
Жыл бұрын
You can hear them from far out. Heard a weird drone from approx 7/8 miles away, looked on flight radar, and it was a Piaggio
@mangos2888
Жыл бұрын
This video has been showing up in my feed all day and I haven't clicked on it. As soon as I read the story on a news site, I knew it was this video about the Golds Gym owner. Thank you for the hard work.
@davidobyrne9549
Жыл бұрын
I'd go with possible pilot incapacitation too Juan. The airplane seemed to be in a stabilised descent until reaching low altitude, perhaps at that point one of the passengers (with some aviation knowledge) realised that the pilot was not pulling up from or reducing the descent rate as they approached the sea. At that point the passenger may have entered the cockpit and pulled back on the yoke too violently causing the plane to stall at too low an altitude for recovery before impact.
@gordslater
Жыл бұрын
Juan - your wife in the vid just reminded me - we NEVER fly alone.
@cageordie
Жыл бұрын
Oh, that's one of my favorite turboprops. Maybe my actual favorite. High performance beast.
@gsdalpha1358
Жыл бұрын
Years ago, a local doctor had a Long EZ which utilized a pusher engine with canard wings. The buzzing engine was definitely unique as was the Romulan spaceship configuration - lol. Hard to imagine what happened with the Avant aircraft, and water recovery is going to be difficult. RIP to the family and pilot. Sad!
@CheyennesRule
Жыл бұрын
Great report Juan, very accurate description. Thank you. The P180 is not a Transport category aircraft. So it may not have a CVR or FDR if it flies Part 91. The one I fly does not have them. Although changes are in the works in Canada to require them if flying with 2 pilots even though single pilot authorized.
@savearhino369
Жыл бұрын
thanks, Juan Browne. always curious as to what where how who and why. big thank you to Jenny for translation. what a great channel! always: from dams to fires to aviation. can’t imagine what i would do w out your channel. stay safe .k
@Halli50
Жыл бұрын
It always amazes me how Juan is able to review whatever known facts that are available about a recent accident, mention potential contributing factors as well as unlikely factors, while not seriously stepping on any toes in these early stages of resolving any aviation incident. That in itself is a genuine feat! The Piaggio P180 is an unusual aircraft (requiring unusual training), and the low-blemish safety record so far indicates that the training has been effective so far. Still, the loss of an unusual aircraft is bound to be caused be, well, unusual circumstances.
@marcocasati6953
Жыл бұрын
Hey Juan, will you be covering the Korean Air A330 mishap in the Philippines? Looks like an interesting one for your channel.! Thanks for all your amazing videos take care! :)
@blancolirio
Жыл бұрын
Will do!
@OceanSwimmer
Жыл бұрын
What happened, Marco?
@dryan8377
Жыл бұрын
@@OceanSwimmer Overran the runway during bad weather on it's third landing attempt. Destroyed it pretty much. Very little injury, no fatalities.
@marcocasati6953
Жыл бұрын
@@OceanSwimmer They overrun on landing in Cebu, fortunately no fatalities but the aircraft looks like a total loss.. some rumors say brake failure but I'm sure Juan will have a field day on the ADSB recording, as they were on their 3rd landing attempt due to weather.
@geekpilot5574
Жыл бұрын
I'm from Costa Rica. I saw pictures of the debris recovered by the local police. I saw an entire elevator recovered. It didn't seem to have been bended or damaged in the crash. Not sure if left or right. I know this plane and I am almost sure it was the elevator in the picture. Raises the question if it was in fact lost of an elevator. Very sad to see one of these fall. One of my favorites.
@OceanSwimmer
Жыл бұрын
I was very sad to read about this in the online news. Tragic loss of an entire family with children and the pilot. RIP. Condolences to their families.
@robertleslie2467
Жыл бұрын
Piaggio is an Italian company that has been around a long time. They came up with the world famous Vespa Scooter. AKA "The Wasp". The single strut suspension system was based on aircraft from WWII designs. Vespa's have always been the pinnacle of scooters and world renowned for innovation, reliability, and overall quality. Piaggio has always been a producer of reliable high quality performance products from aircraft to scooters. I cannot imagine a manufacturing defect happening to this aircraft although such things do happen. If I were a betting man I would place my money on pilot error or pilot incapacitation first and maintenance issues second. However we will most likely never know for sure. My heart goes out to the pilot and the folks on board. I wish we could all die peacefully with sweet dreams in our sleep.
@bazza945
Жыл бұрын
Loved my 1965 Vespa scooter.
@scottstp7084
Жыл бұрын
Had the pleasure to fly one beginning twenty years ago when Italian training pilots employed by Piaggio would come over from Italy to train crews (in the aircraft) of the 36 planes in the US at the time. This was well before the training sims were built. Practicing getting too slow in the dirty configuration (flaps down) we’d allow the forward wing to fully stall and then maneuver around and actually do 45 degree bank turns fully controllable. In order to stall the main wing, one would have to continue pulling back on the yoke to further reduce airspeed, which would take a conscious effort, which seems difficult to imagine someone continuing to pull beyond this point. When the forward is fully stalled, it’s making a tremendous air noise, and vibrating dramatically. Looking out the window, you would see the fwd wing shaking up and down about 5 inches each way. I also had the fwd wing buffet stall two or three times at FL410 (41,000ft) when it was too hot to be up there at our weight. Still controllable too, and I would just calmly ask ATC for lower, however ASAP. An amazing aircraft on many other factors as well.
@mikebreen2890
Жыл бұрын
I saw one yesterday going into Newcastle, the sound made me look up. Totally unmistakable sound.
@scottstp7084
Жыл бұрын
As far as the previous commenter talking about frozen water in the belly of the aircraft, that was mostly due to windows leaking during moderate rain when sitting on the ramp, and was promptly remedied by drilling out the existing drain holes in the belly to a larger diameter and cutting the rubber flappers that were designed to seal up the drain holes from exiting air under pressurization. This problem was caused by inadequate maintenance, in that it was necessary to periodically vacuum the belly of carpet fuzz, dirt, etc ❤under the floorboards which was ignored by the corrupt fractional company that operated many P-180’s.
@jochentreitel7397
Жыл бұрын
Juan: initial comments from the group owning the plane say that there was no CVR or FDR on board. I would favour to have this kind of equipment in every plane. Great explanation as always.
@nancychace8619
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. Sorry for the loss. Hope they find out what happened. Thank you to Jennie for helping. She's a good translater! - an important skill.
@Hans_R._Wahl
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for picking this event up!👍 Another sad story causing the serious question about Single-Pilot-Operations in High-Perfomance-Aircrafts. Weightless...😢 RIP.
@shooter2055
Жыл бұрын
So! It's actually a biplane with a strong negative stagger. Walter Beech would be impressed.
@gcrauwels941
Жыл бұрын
The P-180 has one of the most distinguishable sounds ever. I used to hear them climbing out of Boca Raton (BCT) al the time. A really cool looking performer.
@theussmirage
Жыл бұрын
I live directly underneath the pattern aircraft fly on final approach to BCT, that P-180 is the loudest plane that lands here, including the jets! Easily the most futuristic looking aircraft we see overhead though
@onethousandtwonortheast8848
Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen it, too, near KLNA. The audio foot print is very cool.
@gcrauwels941
Жыл бұрын
@@theussmirage I lived in Delray off of Military Trail, they were unmistakable when I'd hear them out of runway 5.
@terryboyer1342
Жыл бұрын
@@theussmirage Loud is an understatement. I was directly under one in Arizona once and the sound was incredible. I normally am not bothered by aircraft noise but I wouldn't want to live near an airport that regularly had them operating from. But it is very cool looking.
@jeesmith99
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for what you do.
@jonesygw
Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised such a high profile person would only have one pilot at the controls. I would lean towards pilot incapacitation also as a possible cause. The data recorder and voice recorder will hopefully shed some light. Another stellar report Juan, although it seems to be happening way too often.
@davidmotter5140
Жыл бұрын
The frequecy of pilot incapacition does not watrent having 2 pilots
@whoever6458
Жыл бұрын
That was some outstanding translation of some pretty long and relatively complex sentences. As someone who has had to translate before, that was impressive. I don't think I could have done as well but I'm also not a great translator between languages since I either have my brain in one language or another one so it's hard to switch between them even though I know what everyone is saying.
@noe616
Жыл бұрын
She was spot on.
@joesterling4299
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, monolinguals don't understand the idea of switching languages in your brain like TV channels. Translation requires going across one to the other constantly, and that's more difficult. (Good bilingual ability does not imply good translation ability.)
@humongousballs
Жыл бұрын
@@joesterling4299 yeah, I speak 5 languages since I was small and I'm still bad at translating between them lmao. When speaking the language the words just come naturally, even if my thoughts are basically in only 2 languages. I don't know if the words are translated subconsciously but as soon as someone asks me to translate my brain is gone.
@donallan6396
Жыл бұрын
I lived in Venezuela for three years. Yesterday I was talking with friends about the recipe for the condiment called guasicaca. My brain shifted to Español for the ingredients subconsciously. Probably the repition of the words when cooking and grocery shopping reinforced the words .
@GUIRADE95
Жыл бұрын
For real? Translation has to be done by some one specifically trained in a certain profession. Someone qualified in the matter. That's why professional translators work only on a specific field. Engineering Mechanical Weather Medical Business Agriculture, etc. Not everyone that speaks English is qualified to properly translated the interview, simultaneously, or in a group. She missed a lot of words and even this guy had to ask her something else due to the fact that he knew "some numbers were missing" Is like in the original language you ask a doctor where's the wrench instead of the sharp knife. As you can see my English has a lot of mistakes, but that's something I can get away with it as long as I don't put people in danger. Outstanding translation? No way.
@timmotel5804
Жыл бұрын
Thank You Juan for this up to date reporting of this terrible accident and your future reports as information becomes available.
@thomasmleahy6218
Жыл бұрын
The Costa Rican spokesman was a very good speaker.
@erictaada6967
Жыл бұрын
It's a shame that a national official has poorer production facilities than an amateur with his spouse in their living room.
@orthopraxis235
Жыл бұрын
This aircraft, as designed, maintained and flown to specifications was incredible. One of my favorite designs. It's unfortunate to hear of poor maintenance in these cases of great aircraft.
@kebotrans
Жыл бұрын
My understanding is the front wings account for about 15% of the total lift of the aircraft
@bobclarie
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Juan, We all appreciate your efforts . . . Bob
@Raptorman0909
Жыл бұрын
Pilot incapacitation seems the most likely at this point. If they find the recorders they should be able to resolve this. The P-180 is a very interesting design!
@PelicanIslandLabs
Жыл бұрын
"The company who runs the plane said there are no black box or voice recording."
@KevinBasher
Жыл бұрын
I'd say it wasn't a chartered plane, but his own. The registration (D-IRSG) might be a clue. D is the prefix for planes registered in Germany. The next letter (I) is for multi-engine civilian aircraft between 2 and 5,7 tons. The last 3 three letter can be chosen by the owner (if available). Rainer Schaller was CEO of the RSG group.
@dfolt
Жыл бұрын
According to German media the aircraft belonged to a subsidiary of the RSG group. Sole purpose was the operation of this a/c.
@bw162
Жыл бұрын
Single 65 year old pilot in a high performance twin with 6 onboard. Not everything that is legal is necessarily wise.
@lbowsk
10 күн бұрын
You think if he was married that would have made a difference? ;)
@bw162
10 күн бұрын
@@lbowsk As a young pilot flying DC-2s a passenger asked my dad, the captain, if flying was safe. He said, ‘not to worry. I have a wife and 2 kids. I need to get home myself.’
@ko9446
Жыл бұрын
The elevator fell off at Camarillo, they flew hundreds of miles without noticing until landing. It was found in the dirt alongside the runway days later.
@blancolirio
Жыл бұрын
Wow!!!
@scottmoseley5122
Жыл бұрын
Really.. that is a scoop. More info please or links.
@ko9446
Жыл бұрын
@@scottmoseley5122 it’s all out there. I believe the FAA published it. Camarillo was a big hub for the P180 with a busy repair shop. Look up N146SL. It departed Camarillo on the 28th, went to San Diego then on to Henderson when it was noticed missing. The elevator was found on the 31st.
@jimbates955
Жыл бұрын
Excellent report Juan, thanks. This aircraft is an excellent improvement over the Beech Starship…
@michaelkim3432
Жыл бұрын
Beautiful airplane. I got to see the cabin in one at an airshow once, but I've always marvelled at the unique pusher design. Sad day to see first fatals in type! Thanks for reporting Juan!
@dogfoodking
Жыл бұрын
Professional as always Juan. Sad story.
@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki
Жыл бұрын
With all due respect (I'm retired) to pilots that are mature in years, I'd want to at least have a trainee on board even if the plane was certified for ONE pilot. We lost a well known group of people just sling shoting for some golf in Kelowna, BC and then back to Edmonton, Alberta. My suspicion was and is that the older pilot had a heart attack.
@glennllewellyn7369
Жыл бұрын
Yep.
@dryan8377
Жыл бұрын
Fully agree! I never knew that the p180 was certified spic... that thing seems like it would be quite a handful in a bad situation.
@NicolaW72
Жыл бұрын
Yes, indeed - Single Pilot on a High Performance Aircraft should be forbidden. It´s only a few weeks ago that we saw the "Ghost Flight" of a Cessna Citation II over the Baltic Sea with a Single Pilot aged 72 years - and all people on board of that aircraft are dead now, too.
@homomorphic
Жыл бұрын
...or stroke, or aneurysm. All things that materialize with almost no pre-symptoms. The big red button emergency autoland systems might have helped if this were pilot incapacitation. Personally if I were the owner of this aircraft I would have trained in a simulator to be able to land if the pilot became incapacitated. Almost anyone can be taught to land a fully functional aircraft once when ATC is on full alert and clearing all the traffic for you at whatever airport is closest. Also, I'd always weather brief with the pilot and never agree to fly in marginal weather (even if the pilot thought it was fine for them, because I'd want weather that was fine for me assuming the worst case happened)
@bryce7285
Жыл бұрын
To be fair, the Autopilot was certainly on so the chances that he died and the plane lost control and no one made a call or anything would seem unlikely. But I agree, if you're wealthy make the request.
@fastmph
Жыл бұрын
With this guys money, and his precious family onboard, why the hell was there only one pilot?
@flashcar60
Жыл бұрын
Built, but not entirely designed in Italy. Gates Rubber Company, which at the time owned Lear Jet, collaborated on the design, but ended the partnership before production. We have one at KCDW; it's LOUD, since the props operate in air disturbed by the wings.
@On-Our-Radar-24News
Жыл бұрын
Great job translating Jenny! Juan, was there weather in the area at the time of the accident? Very sad situation. I would never take my famiky along on a single pilot operation unless I was also type certified in the aircraft. By single pilot operation on a complex aircraft, even though its authorized, is leaving no room for error if that single pilot becomes incapacitated. Could this be pilot or passenger murder suicide? We have seen a lot of that lately.
@dryan8377
Жыл бұрын
I take a stab at this. Very doubtful. ATP rated pilots forced to retire at 65 often go to 135 ops right away... this one looks like he recently retired. But then again, who knows.... it was a foreign registered aircraft, and I'm guessing a foreign registered pilot. But I don't think he could continue atp operations in the usa though. It's pure speculation at this point. That 3000 fpm decent at the end was scary.
@NicolaW72
Жыл бұрын
@@dryan8377 I agree. The Pilot was a Swiss Citizen (what doesn´t say much). As he´s explicitly be mentioned as "Pilot" and not as Passenger flying the aircraft or as a "Flying Owner of the Aircraft" as it was the case with the "Ghost Flight" at the Baltic Sea a few weeks ago I would interprete it in the same way: A just retired Business or Commercial Pilot who continued his Dream of Flying as Pilot of this Private Aircraft. But this says nothing e.g. how experienced he was on this type of aircraft. I didn´t saw METARS of Limon until now for the time of the accident. That could be an important issue, too. At least they had to interrupt the SAR-Operations Friday Evening due to bad weather. And btw.: Before the four flights on Thursday and Friday the Aircraft was parked for three month at Santa Ana/ California. Not saying this has anything to do with the crash, but it probably will be another topic in the investigation.
@On-Our-Radar-24News
Жыл бұрын
@@dryan8377 Sounds plausible. You are correct he would not be able to operate in the U.S.. It's scary and sad.
@CaptainSteve777
Жыл бұрын
Nice review. I'm leaning toward pilot incapacitation as well, and unless proven otherwise I think all sudden incapacitations should be assumed to be caused by the mRNA clot shot.
@thomasaltruda
Жыл бұрын
I have to look up that story about losing the elevator.. it was my understanding that the plane flew from CMA, to SAN, then to HND.. later that evening, the elevator was found off the side of the runway in CMA, meaning that the plane landed in SAN, then departed before realizing something was amiss..
@soulmate702000
Жыл бұрын
I'm really eager to see what caused this. I work for a Gym chain (now the second biggest in Germany after McFit) which was founded by his ex employee and right hand man and was really shocked to hear the news. Really tragic for a whole family to end that way. With so many heart attack cases due to the damn jab and with the pilot being 66yrs old I'm kinda of asking myself if that could have been the cause. Jab induced or just a natural heart attack.
@GoCoyote
Жыл бұрын
The jab has not caused heart attacks. A rare side effect from the Phizer vaccine has been myocardial inflammation mostly in young adults within two weeks of being jabbed, usually with the second dose. It clears up quickly (within 2 weeks) with care. We won't know the full effects of the virus for years, but it is looking like one of the possible side effects of getting the virus is premature aging of organs, including the heart. My sister is a nurse that has had to deal with all the incredibly sick and dying patients who were to stupid to get vaccinated, and keep insisting that the virus isn't real, right up until they are put on ventilators and then die of it. While a small percentage of people do get hospitalized after getting the virus after after they have been jabbed, they generally don't die, and its more like getting a bad flu.
@reneee4314
Жыл бұрын
Exactly my thoughts
@waterheaterservices
Жыл бұрын
Comrades, please, The Party knows what is best for us peasants.
@MessOfThings
Жыл бұрын
This is a rather fascinating incident, as a Lyft driver I just picked up somebody at a municipal airport and commented on an interesting airplane that I saw parked near the building, and they said it came from a maker that did a lot of interesting designs and talked about this plane as one of them
@garyreed2206
Жыл бұрын
I get these over my house almost everyday. One mighty fine aircraft (and yes, very unique sound.)
@GaryL3803
Жыл бұрын
I live 3.5 miles North of KPIE on the runway heading. The home base for the P180 training facility was there. The noise of the P180 props was much greater than the occasional Navy F-18 that visited occasionally. The flight crew and passengers may have loved it but the home owners in the flight path hated it.
@michaelmaloney9706
Жыл бұрын
That wasn't the "home base for P180 training." A fractional operator, Avantair, moved their operations there, from New Jersey. It was one company, and they did do some training out of PIE. No, the noise produced by the P180 was not greater than an F-18. Just different. I flew the P180 for a few years.
@ThePwig
Жыл бұрын
Sure is interesting that the descent was almost exactly -3,000 fpm and the airspeed was bang on almost to the end. It’s like someone literally hit the VS button and then let it go on its own. And then someone noticed at the end.
@stellar1620
Жыл бұрын
That airspeed is interesting, Given that the best glide is around 135 knots. It does seem like a very rapid decent.
@bernieschiff5919
Жыл бұрын
@@stellar1620 It does seem the unsteady climb was started after the autopilot was disengaged. Someone might have been hand flying until a loss of control at the end. My guess is pilot incapacitation might have played a part.
@scottstp7084
Жыл бұрын
Regarding the incident when the elevator fell off, the pilots took off empty from Camarillo and went to San Diego and picked up passengers and then flew to Henderson airport in Las Vegas. Yes, the elevator did fall off on their takeoff roll at Camarillo and they flew that leg and the next leg without any knowledge of it. After they landed in Henderson, one of the fuelers/rampers looked up and said “that doesn’t look right”. On both of those routes, ATC does not allow you to get very high, usually only 22 or 23,000 ft. Had they been able to climb up in the 30’s, no doubt they would’ve had more feel for something being wrong. Same thing, If they’d been closer to gross weight, they would’ve had the yoke in their lap on rotation which would have alerted them of a problem. Sadly, I heard their certificates were revoked by the FAA for improper preflight on their San Diego to Henderson portion of the trip. I saw the plane in a hangar in Henderson the next day and stared at it in amazement hearing the story while looking up at the tail. Someone please comment on any other aircraft that could fly a few legs with one missing elevator, especially being undetected by the crew. Once again, an amazing plane.
@anniechrisbendy6000
Жыл бұрын
Surely before the second leg, the pilot must do a walk around the plane.??? pre-flight ... SMACKS OF LAZINESS ,CARELESS, HE PUT THE PASSENGERS AT RISK.
@kenwhitfield219
Жыл бұрын
If this is true, it indicates to me that the pilot did a piss poor walk around inspection during the intermediate stop. Or, he didn’t do one at all! Another reason to for with two pilots…work overload during stops, requiring one pilot to do the flight prep and the walk around inspection, and normal PIC tasks, all in a very short period of time. A second pilot, believe it our not, does far more than talk on the radio! He/she sadly, doesn’t get the recognition of their value nearly enough.
@BrilliantDesignOnline
Жыл бұрын
Yay, Jenny!
@windjunky
Жыл бұрын
Hey Juan, always love the videos. Would be great if you produced new content covering follow up to conclusions of accidents that have a completed investigation. Hopefully one day this video will have such a conclusion video
@Brian-cr6rb
Жыл бұрын
I hope they find those boxes! Prayers to all family and friends who have to mourn this terrible loss.
@bills6093
Жыл бұрын
Don't think it had any?
@Brian-cr6rb
Жыл бұрын
@@bills6093 Juan said that the modern avionics in the plane should have been equipped with boxes. I hope that it was.
@bills6093
Жыл бұрын
@@Brian-cr6rb The company is apparently saying it didn't have any recorders. I hope that's not true.
@misguidance__
Жыл бұрын
Amazing job on these investigations, I’ve been binge watching all of them. The Piaggio is a strange, but amazing aircraft. I was in Englewood Florida last May and one would fly over almost every day and the sound was amazing. You always knew it was coming because of that district sound
@JustinKais
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if they were flying into Coral Creek. I would see one flying around that area too.
@jonasbaine3538
Жыл бұрын
Amazing == Ear piercing. I would not want a piaggio flying over my home every single day. Very cool plane nonetheless.
@michaelbryant7377
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Juan!
@isobot9376
Жыл бұрын
The first reports did not mention the aircraft type but I saw a spinner in the recovered Debrie field and thought now way a piaggio crashed!
@Sirmellowman
Жыл бұрын
have you seen the first person go pro view of the russian fighter pilot ejecting? no footage has ever been captured in a war like it
@blancolirio
Жыл бұрын
Link?
@SteamCrane
Жыл бұрын
Sounded like the guy was hurting bad after he landed!
@hallarcher5997
Жыл бұрын
My Jenny, Juan you are the real deal, just raising my lonley dental floss here in Kansas .
@Firestorm637
Жыл бұрын
That is a 2 pilot aircraft imo. Maybe it could of made a difference. Plane and car crashes with loss of life very sad.
@mikercflyer7383
Жыл бұрын
They used to land in Camarillo airport I always went out because of the distinctive sound and watch the airplane fly by. Condolences to the families.
@bullthrush
Жыл бұрын
Had two of them operating from a nearby airport a few years ago, they can easily be heard 3x as far away as a King Air.
@jpkatz1435
Жыл бұрын
W. B. , you bring to this tragedy a perfectly balanced tone and presentation of care and inquiry. THANKYOU.
@yachtcaptain7320
Жыл бұрын
I was always a fan Numero Uno of the Piaggio Avanti, and when I saw the news about the accident, I immediately started looking for Blancolirio's comments. As always, rich in information. Thank you !
@theshed8802
Жыл бұрын
Silly question Juan, what's the glide slope of this aircraft in a double engine out situation? Great channel, thoroughly enjoy your presentation. Unfortunately the subjects are often tragic like this case. Regards Greg
@crimony3054
Жыл бұрын
Outta gas. Got one re-started. Outta gas again.
@theshed8802
Жыл бұрын
@@crimony3054 possibly, but doesn't easily explain the lack of a radio call. Maybe an electrical issue in the cockpit resulting in engine shut down, and no radio as well. Lots of speculation here, but the decent slope is interesting.
@ToddDunning
Жыл бұрын
You two look identical! What a match.
@pappybo49
Жыл бұрын
Well done report, Juan. I always enjoy your in depth review of the facts at hand. Thanks
@mr.ginnationfunlifestyle3891
Жыл бұрын
Great report. I assume some pilot health issue or maybe some technical devices on the controls, something braking off. Interesting to find out, what happened here. It’s tragic. The only thing I don’t understand, why people and the news always speak of a charter plane? The callsign was D-IRSG, and Rainer Schallers company is named RSG for Rainer Schaller Group. If the plane takes this specific callsign, equal to his company, I don’t think it was charter at all.
@bobzambenini7868
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@blancolirio
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Bob!
@robertoler3795
Жыл бұрын
Before she moved on to the left seat of heavy iron my wife flew the P 180 part time for a Hollywood person. She loved the plane. there is a drone version of this the flight automation software is as advanced as a B737. RGO
@NicolaW72
Жыл бұрын
Indeed. And therefore operating it with SP is at least questionable.
@MillionFoul
Жыл бұрын
The only problem I have with the P.180 is how insanely slow it takes fuel through the single point. Also it's in a kind of annoying spot but not as bad as a Lear because at least if you drop the hose it won't hit anything.
@williamdavis7432
11 ай бұрын
Any recorded radio transmissions? (Terminal flight trajectory (including brief recovery) suggests struggle with a mechanical issue.) Thank you for this (as usual) really interesting mishap coverage!
@steveturner3999
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like the Beechcraft Starship. Must be unique to pusher turboprops. Thanks for the update Juan.
@Philippsalzgeber
Жыл бұрын
It was planned to be a multi week vacation with Patagonia as the ultimate destination.
@alanmydland5210
Жыл бұрын
66 yr pilot, I dont know about you but I'm not sold on sp airplanes. With that kind of money I want two pilots.
@leokimvideo
Жыл бұрын
Having worked in aviation I've never been a fan of any engine exhaust that travels through the propeller area. Just seen too much weird damage on aluminium & composite props.
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