Your approach to evaluation makes sense, but to be fair, it's very subjective and selective. A few examples that stood out to me are: 1. Zhu Yuan you give a "point" for Ranged/Melee category and as far as you've been describing it, it seems that the implied meaning is "AoE capability", because there's no real intrinsic advantage to being ranged in ZZZ - if anything that's an intrinsic disadvantage as it makes grouping enemies harder. However, Zhu Yuan is pretty bad at dealing AoE damage - she is capable of delivering it under some circumstances and when she does manage to do it, it's pretty high, but it's very inconsistent. Soldier 11 and Ellen can deliver AoE damage that's easily comparable with MUCH better consistency. 2. Soukaku you give only two points (and separating DMG buff/amplification, i.e. shred is very questionable because it'll require a highly specific for of powercreep to ever matter), however that's very unfair compared to the prior evaluations you've made. Soukaku is good at accumulating stun, but sure, we can set the baseline of a point for Stun to require a Stun agent level of Daze application. Soukaku is outstanding at stagger - Rise the Flag completely CCs regular enemies and her EX can stagger pretty much all elites. Not getting a point for mobility makes sense. As does not getting a point for the "Field Time" as she definitely wants more field time than Nicole. However, her CC and "Range/Melee" (i.e. AoE) points being absent is unfair - she excels at both. Her Raise the Flag and her Chain attack are outstanding at grouping, controlling, and damaging enemies in AoE. Your "Protection" section lacks a very important category - which is the "Exceptional Defensive Assist" - the ability to block Heavy attacks for a single Assist Point. Soukaku can do that. Finally, Soukaku, especially in the team she's currently being most often used in, does offer DPS output comparable to an Attack Agent after Frosted Banner is up. 3. Lucy it makes absolutely no sense not to give the "Field Time Consumption" point when Nicole gets one. They require about the same amount of field time, with Lucy, in anything, needing less, because her buffs last longer, and because Nicole really benefits from charging up the EX all the way. 4. Piper evaluation makes no sense whatsoever, especially when compared to Grace. Grace is a straightforward one-trick pony - she's good at applying Shock and that's it. Piper, meanwhile, is good at applying Anomaly, and offers the DMG buff (the two points you give her); Her spin deals massive AoE damage (and you don't give her point for that) and is capable of grouping and controlling regular enemies (and you don't give her a CC point either) She has 40% interrupt and damage resistance on her spin, which is massive, as well as loads of i-frames on her basic combo and EX follow-up (and you don't give her a DMG mitigation point for that, despite giving Anton one for a 7.5% HP barrier once every 15 seconds) She has an "Exceptional Defensive Assist" - you don't have a category for that. "Field Time Consumption" is also debatable because Piper can be played mostly off-field by only jumping in to do her spin to sustain her buff and dish some quick Assault procs. Piper is incredibly popular exactly because of how versatile she is, and how many hats can she wear.
@sirrah2458
19 күн бұрын
These are all great points. I like the idea of rating characters in the video this way but he needs to add more categories and be more thorough and comprehensive in his ranking / analysis. This would make for a group debate rather than one person alone since not every1 knows everything about every character. Some things from my perspective. I frames should be as if not more important than dmg mitigation since it allows you to complete moves without being staggered or dmged. Qingyi and Ellen both have excelent dmg mitigation in the form of their ex. Ellen gets like 3 seconds of mitigations from her 2 ex combo which is invaluable plus teleporting behind the target to dodge another attack afterwards. Qingyi can shorten her charged attack also and get all stacks on target and i frames which is excellent. In terms of cc, Qingyi should have a point for grouping and cc enemies wither her a3. Qingyi also has teleporting capabilities with her charged attack so I think she deserves to get a point for mobilitiy. You can finish killing an enemey with part of the charged attack then finish it to teleport to another enemy.
@kebabenjoyer1
20 күн бұрын
Timestamps: 1:07 Anby 3:11 Lycon 3:35 Koleda 4:38 Qingyi 5:35 Billy 6:42 Corin 7:34 Anton 8:13 Nekomiya 8:55 Soldier 11 10:15 Ellen 10:53 Zhu yuen 11:45 Nicole 13:38 Sokaku 14:33 Lucy 15:08 Rina 16:22 Piper 16:57 Grace 17:32 Ben 18:12 Seth 19:17 Jane doe
@FrostShard1337
20 күн бұрын
Well damn you got to it first
@cawashka
20 күн бұрын
thank u
@kritzum
20 күн бұрын
I can't believe what you said about my favorite fictional character not being good in this specific video game. 😡🤾♂️
@1EnZBosS1
20 күн бұрын
Bop him!
@cawashka
20 күн бұрын
My Soldier 11 is not getting powercrept 😡😡😡😡😡
@hisdudeness690
19 күн бұрын
@@cawashkaShe has intrinsic 70% damage buff only from correctly timing her normal attack. Unless they release a character with similar mechanics, she will stay strong for a while. Unfortunately in hoyo games, standard characters are designed to be powercrept.
@ghostskillissue5412
20 күн бұрын
Little note, It's crazy how Billy is not categorized w Mobility when he has two dodges during Crounching Shot.
@elstrangeenemy887
20 күн бұрын
Maybe I understood "Mobility" wrong but I think it's more of a "How fast can I reach/make my team reach the enemy?" and not how many chances do I have to reposition myself, the latter would be valued more in something like a MOBA due to PVP and outplaying someone else
@p01nt_blank67
20 күн бұрын
@@elstrangeenemy887 both instances are what makes Mobility a versatile stat. It's important to both close and widen the gap between you and the enemy effortlessly depending if you're the hunter or the hunted. Billy ticks both boxes as his Rolling Shot and Dash Attack can be used very frequently to dodge oncoming attacks and close the gap in case the enemy repositions to a far distance. However, reaching the enemy asap doesn't really matter in ZZZ as you'd be sticking to them like glue 100% of the time anyways.
@whatchamacallit8496
20 күн бұрын
@@p01nt_blank67 it does actually, especially in shiyu where you have a time limit and many bosses jump away from your team.
@zoopaton9451
15 күн бұрын
I would also argue that Billy should get a point for CC, not in the sense that he gathers enemies, but for the fact that his spin dodge, defensive assist, chain attack, and Ult, all have insane AoE. Plus, he also has Vital View, which is incredibly valuable for repositioning and swapping quickly to supports to apply buffs
@Wizard_Lizard_
19 күн бұрын
I disagree with Zhu Yuan and Billy not getting points for "Mobility". Imo, having dodges built into your kit for both saftey and quick repositioning is without question a form of mobility.
@timofaust1315
19 күн бұрын
What would be a very interesting topic is comparing standard banner characters with m3 / m6 to m0 limited characters in terms of power. Usually f2p players / low spenders might have a rank characters with lots of cinemas and that might push them closer to a no copy S rank limited character. Which A ranks get improved by owning copies the most?
@narrrrr6805
20 күн бұрын
just a suggestion, the terms DMG mitigation can be simplified to shield, DMG Ampilification just a debuff. so someone that never see this, could easily understand what you mean. zhu yuan is a burst dps so i think she has a low on field time. and character like grace have 2 different playstyle depend on the team, if you play solo anomaly grace with 2 support, grace will always on field. if you play disorder you can use grace until shock trigger and quick swap to second anomaly. how you rate that ? is it versatile ?
@Bl4kAce
20 күн бұрын
Zhu Yuan should get the versatility check since her passive activates with any support unit.
@leboxes5279
20 күн бұрын
I do like this way of categorizing traits to help you plan your teams I do think some of his example scores were not fair imo, zhu yuan had no point for mobility or a point for stagger with the shotgun and Lucy didn’t get a point for low field time consumption even with off field dps? I do guess the criteria for giving points is subjective to us for team building but wanted to point it out so people don’t think 2 points on his example character is a death sentence for your team build
@santiagolombardi439
20 күн бұрын
I think you should add a category to space/time: tempo (or whatever you wanna call it), meaning how well can a unit perform if interrupted during its combo. For example, anby's tempo is terrible since you wanna proc the third and 4 hit, meanwhile qingyi can easily dodge and continue over and over (plus all the combinations that let you jump straigth to basic 3). Love the vids!
@Tsukiiyo7
19 күн бұрын
Yeah definitely, I feel like certain characters have a huge problem with that, Ellen for example, if you don't have her first mindscape, it is really rough to build up stacks efficiently for bosses that attack frequently.
@Reldan
19 күн бұрын
I'd give Koleda a point for mobility as well. Her dash and DA are lightning fast and lunge really far, plus her dodge counter and defensive assist pretty much teleport her directly on top of the enemy.
@alucardd8
20 күн бұрын
Thank you sir, this is what I was talking about, but hear me out, both Ellen and Zhu Yuan apply a lot of anomaly, I would give them a 3
@maheee
19 күн бұрын
very interesting way of looking at units, instead of the usual tier list. lucy have another value, pig minions. interested to see what other new unit minion/summon mechanic going to be.
@TheCloudPuff
18 күн бұрын
Should factor characters with good as damage mitigation too, especially if they take up a lot of field time (lycaon). Never the less, this is a great way to categorize characters.
@IOSARBX
20 күн бұрын
EODGamer - Zenless Zone Zero, ur gonna be famous
@futuretrunks9257
20 күн бұрын
I know this isn’t a tier list but can you make one? Everyone loves a good tier list
@stormdragon3842
20 күн бұрын
Nice vid, this format is better than a tier list since you can categorize certain characters as S tier currently but that doesn't show how vulnerable they are to power creep. This shows exactly where a character shines and so another character would need to be better in all of those points in order to make a character obsolete.
@Scummoner
20 күн бұрын
I would put Qingyi as KB reduction since she gets anti-interuption. It can be really useful in content that doesn't 2 shot you(Disputed Node, WG11).
@ketansingh5220
20 күн бұрын
Piper litterally so good for newbies and easy to build , s+ character for me
@kongyan56
20 күн бұрын
I love playing piper but she’s so easily power creepable
@ketansingh5220
19 күн бұрын
@@kongyan56 mine do 300-400k at lvl 50 with sum unga bunga artifact's, she's xiangling of zzz
@user-kh6qf4jf9p
18 күн бұрын
While I think the main argument of characters with more utility has better chance to avoid being powercrept quickly is valid, I believe there should be a big disclaimer at how subjective the actual scoring is.
@Yasviele
14 күн бұрын
I think Lucy should have 4 with her Field Time Consumption, specially if you have her in c2 and perhaps versatility considering she buff your team regardless of the element
@BRSxIgnition
19 күн бұрын
It would probably be beneficial to have a simple number system for each value item. Something like 1 = Good, 2 = Great, 3 = Best, that way it's easier to differentiate between two characters who may have gotten the same score otherwise.
@laur.33
19 күн бұрын
Anby does have some utility with one of her mindscapes giving energy to other electric units.
@laur.33
19 күн бұрын
I think this list should have an (Offensive-off field damage) category, since Lucy M6, and seemingly burnice are going to contribute and I'd be suprised if that doesnt become very important.
@marikuma88
20 күн бұрын
I need to see this in a tierlist format for my monkey brain to understand. But great video as always 👍
@lmm616
20 күн бұрын
I like the idea you have presented but also think that the intrinsic value isn’t so easy to determine as there are different values even within the specific qualities. Both Soukaku and Lucy provide damage amplification but one gives 1k attack and the other is capped at 600, so they’re definitely not the same, and there’s similar comparisons to be made across the rest of the cast
@elstrangeenemy887
20 күн бұрын
Of course, but the points you are making are more reserved for a tier list, and surprise surprise Soukaku is higher than Lucy in most tier lists
@Khalil_B
19 күн бұрын
I'm a simple man. I see EODGamer video, I click.
@TheXInvador
19 күн бұрын
Corin best attack unit confirmed :D
@Margiela6
19 күн бұрын
Love the football analogies
@multiream
19 күн бұрын
Giving Zhu yuan a 2 is wild and didn't even considered her suppression mode has dodge frames if you time it right and nicole having mobility. What mobility??? She's just standing there throwing bombs. My mans pulling random numbers.
@mitchellparracarmona12
20 күн бұрын
I was waiting for this sequel!
@AnotherAyushRaj
19 күн бұрын
What Miyabi doin over there
@riceshakes
20 күн бұрын
watching all of these recent uploads knowing full well I'm only waiting to pull for section 6 regardless of value lol
@bjornnilsson2941
18 күн бұрын
Tier maker exists for a reason. I can't see anything that's going on lol.
@thagrizz5497
20 күн бұрын
kinda wish there was more of a tier list
@dexcharisma4805
20 күн бұрын
I think you needed some measure of how well these characters can apply status effects. I don't play Ellen to freeze everything, and she's not geared for anomaly, but she's good enough at proc'ing ice that I consider that a major intrinsic benefit. I realize you're trying to keep it simple, but I don't find these rankings as meaningful for the DPS characters.
@arumi9410
19 күн бұрын
I just find it funny how you use football players as an example😂
@zxcxzxc
20 күн бұрын
Good video, but I don’t think the football metaphors/analogies really work well here
@honkedoffjohn
20 күн бұрын
you probably should have just made a tier list.
@FatLion
20 күн бұрын
Darn, Which is better 11 or Rina? I got 11 using that character selection but I guess that was an L
@Yoru-desu13
20 күн бұрын
Just build her well and pull for Ceaser. + Lucy, should be a good team (unless u have Koleda already) Doesn't mean she's bad, just her ability to get power crept is higher. She will still carry u in endgame if built properly with a good team.
@cawashka
20 күн бұрын
Nah that wasn’t an L. She's a great DPS as of now and it’ll be a while until she gets power crept
@remchwan
19 күн бұрын
She's quite strong tbh. Power crept or not, she'll do fine. Even if there are agents stronger than her with the same position and element, her output will be enough. 11, Caesar/Koleda/Burnice and Lucy would be a great team for her. But if I'm going to choose between Rina and 11 I'll choose Rina ofc.
@davidsabillon5182
19 күн бұрын
❤
@WhiteTrashDiva
20 күн бұрын
this is. . not very good. I understand it's not a tier list, but the intrisic value of jack-of-all-trades characters is not good. . sure, you can slot them in a alot of different roles, but if they don't excel there. . in a 3 person team, why would you. Take seth, stun? nahh, not if you have a S-stunner, anomaly boost, not if you're playing disorder to trigger shock disorders, Rina is better, gives +30% shock damage alone from her +3 sec. shock duration, then add on electric DMG buff. Seth excels in Jane teams, for now. . if you're wanting to use him in another team, there's better alternatives. So niether very versatile, or very high intrinsic value, since it's derived from Jane. Nicole. . yea, if you're playing Zhu Yuan, then she's really good. . but is that nicoles intrinsic value, or really just because Zhu yuan is good?
@elstrangeenemy887
20 күн бұрын
"I understand this is not a tier list but obviously an S stunner is better than an A defender that can perform as a stunner and" Then you don't understand that this is not a tier list and that having more points doesn't mean one character is better than the other Also regarding your Nicole question ask yourself: Is it worth it to invest on this character even if I don't have Zhu Yuan/Qingyi? Now ask yourself the same but with Soukaku: Is it worth it to invest on this character even if I don't have Ellen/Lycaon?
@asdf_asdf948
20 күн бұрын
Nicole isn't just good for zhu yuan. Her defense shred is absolutely busted and she gives whole party crit rate at m6, and her sig also gives whole party buffs. Just numerically it will be hard for some character to power creep her to the point of being obsolete.
@Bl4kAce
20 күн бұрын
Also, Seth isn't tied to Jane. For the foreseeable future, Seth is a go-to support for ALL Anomaly units. Of course you wouldn't use him in place of a stunner, that's not his role. You're mistaking the scores as a tier list for how good a character is. A character can easily score a 1 on this list and still be incredible right now. This list is specifically about how likely they are to be power creeped. That's it.
@heromedley
19 күн бұрын
i havent watched it yet but im gonna guess it boils down to: every new S rank character is good while every f2p 4 star is terrible
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